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About enemies, traitors, fools and huts from the edge

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This is how much I am already writing about what is happening in Ukraine, I meet so many comments like "Well, how much you can! Enough already! Tired! Let them figure it out, we have our own business!"


Dear ours! Exactly dear, not respected, no. You are stupid, and your stupidity to us, not indifferent, is expensive. And I am easy, and most importantly, with great sadistic pleasure, I will prove it to you. I will not, as usual, quote you by name, I just do not want to get dirty. Though I’m kind of used to writing about things that are far from bright and solemn.

And I'll start from afar. Ostensibly from the ancient Roman principle of separa et impera, that is, "divide and conquer." Here are just still not a single ancient Roman document in which there is a mention of this principle has yet been found. A seemingly small problem, but the point is that Latin was spoken not only in Ancient Rome.

The most recent use of the phrase separa et impera is found in the letter of Francis Bacon to his king Jacob I from 15 February 1615. Not so long ago. And who was Mr. Bacon? The Lord Guardian of the Seal, and subsequently the Chancellor under Jacob I.

I do not know how anyone, but it is enough for me to understand whose principle it is and for the benefit of whom it was invented.

So, our dear, we, the Russians, were once divided, in order to make it easier and more convenient to rule. And it is not suddenly divided, not immediately. Piecemeal. Last time - treacherous Bialowieza agreements. Fools, you can begin to proclaim anathema to those who signed them. It is time.

But forgive me, let me find out, where were you? Why didn't you get up when you ruined the country? Why did they not rise when Yeltsin shot parliament? Why didn’t they fight like one when his clique was selling the country wholesale and retail? Why, when you opened the center of the name of the main traitor of Russia, you did not crawl out of cozy minks with protests? It's like for your money centric something bungled ... including.

It's simple. All that you can really do is to quack on the Internet, and also preferably anonymously, hiding under the nicknames and chasers "Ukrainians - traitors", "Ukrainians - khataskraniki", "Ukrainians did not rise"

Well, by the way, I partially agree with you. Ukrainians really did not rise. For the simple reason - there is no such people. This obzyvalovo invented for your weak little minds those who just divide and rule. By the way, this also applies to Bulbash equally.

For a reasonable person it is clear as daylight that there are no Muscovites, Katsapov, Ukrainians and Bulbashes. There are Russians living in Russia - Russians, there are Russians living in Ukraine - Ukrainians, there are Russians living in Belarus - Belarusians.

And there are representatives of other nations, nationalities and nationalities in the territories of these countries.

But back to our Ukrainians. And to our Russians.

You can go crazy with advice and condemnations lately. And from those who have no idea what it is to live in the territory occupied by the Nazis. Or knows too well. Ignorance or malicious intent, or personal interest - and please, 100500 opinions on the topic that all 40 of millions of Ukrainian citizens are enemies or stupid sheep that they rule from overseas. They are all Khataskraynikas there and while in Odessa they burned people alive, the rest are silent and silent, it’s not them that have been burned.

Congratulations! You also came under the influence of well-trained Western crowd management experts. Divided? Divided. And at several parts of different convictions. So much so that different beliefs are not a reason for philosophical conversation, but rather, grasping at the breast with foaming at the mouth and subsequent scuffle. Or, alternatively, on our website - to well-veiled insults, for the moderators are animals.

It seems that we have some different Ukraine. Although yes, they are different. With the one that the Nazis occupied, I, too, is not going smoothly. There are a couple of moments there in relation to me in matters of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, which I put up with, for I perceive it as a recognition of my quirks. But there is another Ukraine, more precisely, other people. And more about that.

A very common opinion: Crimea wanted to secede, all together voted and separated. So, the rest or did not want to hell with them, let them now jump with Bandera, or not as it should be voted. This is in relation to Donbass, although this is also true.

Korsun massacre Crimeans remember? If anyone forgot, look, refresh your memory. And more? This is the essence.

But before the referendum in the Crimea went a lot of trains and buses, "friendship." Do you know where they are? Yes, the road remained. The Kherson side took the blow. Yes, it is those about whom you say that they did not get up. And for good reason today it is in the Kherson region that the terbats and the rabble of the most varied suits stick up under the banners of the Crimean Tatars. This is a payment for the fact that the Kherson people at that time stood up against the Nazis. And there is made a whole enclave of anti-Russian evil. Reserve freaks. For the fact that Kherson did not stay away.

Without machine guns, without "green men" behind their backs, without "polite people" in perspective. Unfortunately, we know very little about these people today. For obvious reasons. But I really hope that sooner or later, all the “missing people” at that time will be both found and named.

And not a single train, not a single bus passed through Kherson. Those few who broke through to the Crimea slipped through Melitopol.

After all, they died not only in clashes with Natsik, but also later, when they were caught by the SBU. Just like at the airport of Mariupol 6 mobile crematoria stood?

So it turned out that the Nazis did not really get to the Crimea when it was still possible. And then it was too late. The Berkut saddled the passes, a human shield at the station ... Well, we all remember that very well. But that which we do not know does not mean that it did not exist at all. It was. It's just very difficult today to get at least some information.

And Kharkov? Here, on the site, one person foolishly blurted out, they say, there were no separatists in Kharkov at all. People gathered against Maidan, but against the Kiev junta. It is easy to forgive, especially if the person from Kharkov was far away. But I was there in early March 2014 of the year. On Freedom Square. And he saw with his own eyes who and how much was going there. And for what.

And more than a thousand devotees Kernes led, who today sit without trial in the Kharkov SIZO, the best proof of this. And each of these thousands can be proud of as a truly Russian person.

This is known about Kharkov, let's say. And about Kherson, Mariupol, Zaporizhia, Nikolaev - no. But this does not mean absolutely nothing. Only that we do not yet know how much is sitting there, and how much is tortured in the dungeons. I personally have no doubts that people were killed there.

And about Zaporozhye also forgotten? But I remember how a few dozen Russian Ukrainians stood against three hundred Maydauns. And they did not kneel, as they were demanded of. And they refused to go through the corridor of shame, despite the possible beating and even death. But the channels showed it ...

And in Odessa people were planted and killed. And they killed not only in the House of Trade Unions. Who can say how many died in "Athena"? How much on the field? How much later in the basement?

People remain people during the occupation. Fact. And there are many such people. Who has not given up and continues his small but war. They are even more than those who took weapon and ended up in the Donbas. But in the ranks of the militia there was a huge number of people who came from Odessa, Kharkov, Ternopil, Zaporizhia, Lviv, Mariupol, and other cities. And I also know this not by someone’s words.

I was lucky. I know how many Russians are in Ukraine. These. And those who fought, and those who dragged newspapers printed in Russia across the border. And in general, the unbroken, not surrendered, Russian Ukrainians, who killed the Ukrainians forever.

And you, whose hut was not on the edge, where were you? Where were you during the Yeltsin coup in 1993? Where were you and how did you fight against outright chaos after the coup? Where, at what meetings did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical monster? And, booze on the Internet ... Well, well ...

Forgive me, why does our native Russian brown electorate differ from the Ukrainian one? Yes, nothing! Only in Russia, Putin suddenly drew himself, who turned everything upside down, and seemed to turn it over successfully. And the disgruntled Kahal. But in Ukraine there was no Putin. Not yet, I hope.

One person threw a good comparison to me. Remember, "Nord-Ost"? There, in the hall, there were several hundred people. And against them two dozen terrorists. Armed and willing to kill. Hundreds against tens. And why there, in the hall, no one got up? BUT? After all, most of them were. And not all women, children and old people.

Here and in Ukraine the same tragedy. Only on a much larger scale. The same armed nonhumans against an absolutely peaceful population. Who does not have a weapon, and take it from nowhere. If in March, 2014, someone decided the issue of delivering at least 500 trunks to Kharkiv, the alignment would be completely different from what we are seeing.

Enemies must be separated and smashed one by one. It's easier, because there are still a lot of Russians.

That is why all the inhabitants of occupied Ukraine "lie" under the Nazis. For the same reason, Western Ukraine should be given to Poland, and nothing is full of normal Russian people, the main thing is there are several thousand Bandera people and for that it is necessary to merge a million Russians.

You so confidently say that there are Ukrainians and Russians, and these are different nations? That all Ukrainians are lazy beasts and helping them is not worth it? What do you need to turn off the gas in the winter and even those who are old enough cannot do anything, even though 70 years ago defended this land with their blood? Let those who are sitting in the SIZO die of hunger for having naively thought that everything can be solved by holding peaceful rallies and demonstrations.

Well, I read dozens of these "opinions". Amazingly, in the US State Department they say the same. In addition to gas issues. State Department merciful even sometimes. Not at its own expense, but is not the point.

We are skillfully separated and vented. But the war is against us all! Against the Russians. Unfortunately, both on ours and on the Nazi-occupied territory of Ukraine, a considerable number of influence agents work, working tirelessly, erasing keyboards in dozens of holes. Professionals in inciting ethnic hatred.

And there is a huge, as it turned out, the number of just Internet oligophrenics, podkvakivayuschih gosdepovskim zasantsam.

Well, finally turn on the brains, try it! Once a year, it does not hurt, although a little humiliating. Answer the question, who benefits, what would Ukraine be a powder keg? Who benefits from Russian and Russian on opposite sides of the border spitting at each other until the end of the centuries? Who benefits from the Russians despising and hating each other on a territorial basis?

It is said that the Russians have always united in the face of great disaster. The occupation of 40 million in Ukraine - is it not a problem? Well, throw out of this number of horses, Poles, Romanians and others. Will 30 million. Few? Need more?

Dear ones, there is a hut on the edge of Russia. How are you? Is everything okay But for me, for some reason, not very. Either because 300 is only kilometers away from this hut, which, according to our distances, is not at all, or I understand that the hut is Russian. Only located on the territory that was artificially isolated. But understand. Because he himself is Russian. And there are the same Russians as me.

And what are you after this Russian?
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 23 2016 04: 59
    +43
    Precisely dear, not respected, no. You are stupid, and your stupidity is dear to us, not indifferent.


    Ah ROMAN ... ROMAN .... you are still young ... if you think about people like that.

    Not everyone is like you.
    Human society is, figuratively speaking, not a homogeneous monolith and it is woven from many shreds of different sizes, colors, strengths ... hehe smell and pattern.
    With many of what you wrote in this article, I agree ... but do not rush things ... do not drive and do not push people in the neck ... not immediately in the time interval people realize the need for obvious things.

    Learn from PUTIN ... he knows how to wait and strike at the right time and place.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander April 23 2016 05: 20
      +56
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Ah ROMAN ... ROMAN .... you are still young ... if you think about people like that. Not everyone is like you.

      The author clearly indicated to whom he was addressing, and this appeal was Explicitly NOT to all Russians.
      Article is good, the author is in many ways rights.
      The only thing to add is when THREE marches passed Bandera in MOSCOW (!)-NOBODY stood up, except for the grandfather beaten by Bandera. In the Novorossiysk cities Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and other people themselves, they sorted out the visitors and drove them out of the cities (they could not resist the state machine).
      In Russia, there was NO ANYTHING. And this is a very disturbing sign - who voluntarily rise to protect the same 15-millionth Moscow, if what? A thousand grandfathers, veterans? ....
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 23 2016 05: 25
        .
        What kind of marches of Bandera’s around Moscow didn’t I hear, and I didn’t hear about my battered grandfather .. is it strange, but is there a reference to the Old, or so .. void? shit on vent threw however!
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander April 23 2016 05: 44
          -2
          igorka357 What kind of marches of Bandera in Moscow, something I did not hear, and did not hear about the battered grandfather .. strange, but there reference to info, or so .. void? And I found everything, so uncle is the same march either Nemtsov, Th you threw a shit at vent, however

          Wow, what weightlessness in Igor’s head. belay Apparently,
          shit
          in the head on the fan interferes ...


          reference to info

          "By herself, by herself" ....(FROM) hi
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2016 05: 57
            +9
            Well, I just looked in the internet, but there were some marshiki of five hundred people, to whom the police allocated separate corridors, and these marches were called "peace march" and "Nemtsov's march", if you cannot provide other information and links, why are you yelling. .azh marches of Bandera in Moscow, where? Yes, there were heroes urkainy-provocateurs paid for there in their ranks, shouting lard for heroes, and lard for Bandera, and what, they are everywhere! So dear Alexander, calm down, or are you a provocateur too? And grandfather is there they didn't beat up, it's more likely that the grandfather could knock someone off wink although he himself was that grandfather crest, so surround yourself dear!
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              1. My address
                My address April 23 2016 07: 30
                +13
                Alexander!
                The novel is very much right. And it is impossible to blame him for indifference and cowardice. You know his specific deeds for helping the Donbas.
                And for you for twitching ("... return Crimea to them ...") minus.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 08: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: My address
                  Roman is very much right

                  An article about Donbass only?
                  Quote: My address
                  And for you for twitching ("... return Crimea to them ...") minus.

                  Well, you meet Khokhla-hug, brother after all.
                  1. My address
                    My address April 23 2016 08: 18
                    +3
                    Now carefully read my comment and your answer. It is not even a distortion, it is a disease.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 08: 21
                      +6
                      Quote: My address
                      Now carefully read my comment and your answer

                      I didn’t want to answer at all, I'm tired of it.
                      Quote: My address
                      It’s not even a jerking, it’s a disease.

                      Health to you!
                2. Dalmatia
                  Dalmatia April 23 2016 08: 41
                  +3
                  My address, you very well noticed the favorite manner of Alexander Romanov))) For the post +
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 08: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Dalmatia
                    You very well noticed the favorite manner of Alexander Romanov)))

                    Fuh love
                3. WKS
                  WKS April 23 2016 10: 23
                  +15
                  And who divided the Russian people in the 11-12-13 and later centuries? Then the Russian people broke each other's bones with great success and passion. The Russian people then and now was divided by the ruling class, which wants to have its own human "herd" for food. Only then it was obvious, the princes of Rurik's descendants gathered squads and went to the possessions of their uncle or brother. The goal is to take possession of their possessions. Now this is all veiled, but the essence is the same. On the fragments of the USSR, there are groups of people who are called elites in political science. This very elite has the most important thing - power over the territory. To retain this power, any methods and mass murders and mass lies are used. They will not voluntarily surrender this power to anyone. The Kiev Maidan is an example of the struggle for this power between the Ukrainian elite that failed to agree peacefully. Yatsenyuk's resignation is an example when this elite agreed peacefully. Large masses of people are involved in the process, most of whom simply do not understand the essence of what is happening. The unification of the Russian world is an urgent problem for the survival of the Russian world in the outside world, where there is also a continuous struggle for control over territories. But in Ukraine, where the struggle for power is now intensifying, the ruling elite is not up to it. They must at any cost retain power over the territory they inherited from the USSR.
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 April 23 2016 13: 08
                    +6
                    Quote: wks
                    And who divided the Russian people in 11-12-13 and later centuries?


                    As far as I understand, the article is about the fact that the division of the people is always bad. Although some of this is undoubtedly good. Yes, most of all those who get power are interested in the division. The question is different: what to do for those who understand this and do not want to be "shared".

                    Is the article good or bad? We can only say by looking at what goal was set and what result was obtained. Accordingly, to answer this question, by and large, only the author himself can. Readers on this subject can only have opinions and hypotheses.

                    The hypothesis is as follows: the purpose of the article was to draw the attention of site readers to what each of them does and to whose mill their actions and good intentions are poured water. What is the result: readers of the site are still professionally paying attention to the behavior of others, poorly aware of the consequences of their actions.

                    In theory, the article could have other goals. Well, for example, to find a unifying beginning and, at least on the site page, to unite people. Is this goal achieved? In full - no (just look at the comments).
                    Is this possible and not utopia? At first glance, it is very difficult. But, the amazing thing is: looking at the materials on the site, it is easy to notice that different materials and different ideas cause a different degree of unanimity in the comments and ratings. Moreover, often unanimous assessments accompany precisely the materials with negative, inappropriate content. Fighting against someone is probably the most powerful way to unite. The problem is that if all life is a struggle, then this is no longer life. laughing

                    What happened in essence: instead of some criteria of separation (national, ideological, ...), the author consciously or unconsciously uses another, and now there are those who share with their actions - and all the others. yes

                    Yes, a lot of the correct is written in the article, and a lot of truth. How to use this knowledge to improve the situation? Perhaps this could be the goal ...
                4. KAV
                  KAV April 23 2016 21: 41
                  +1
                  Alexander, colleagues, and just odnoforumchane.

                  Roman may be right in many respects, but combining assistance to Donbass and protests is a lot of different things. So, where was Roman? It is clear - he helped Donbass. We can say that it was sort of busy. But, with what then fright, such claims to the rest of the country's population that no one came out, no one opposed ...
                  Nothing like this behavior?
                  Yes, at least clam me up right now! But, if you are already starting to blame someone for something - first show with your own example what and how to do it!
                  I, too, can help grandmothers cross the road by publishing this, and at the same time blame others for inaction during the construction of the CEBN and the march of liberals at the funeral of the same type ...
                  And why did everyone cling to this center ?! Go cling to the buildings of the PRF, for example !!! TSEBN - one, and the palaces and temples of the RPF in Russia - the sea (you can evaluate their "poverty" on the Internet by the pictures) !!! Why are you clung to this single building ?! Doesn't give rest to some ?! A reason to cheat on the current government ?! Bravo! Why was this center built - not enough to think of?
                  Remember how EBN represented GDP before he left? Remember ?! Do you think casualness is all that he announced as his successor? Yes, at that time I had never heard anything from the word absolutely about GDP! I was then very surprised at his election victory! And I don’t regret it now! I am glad that we have such a president, and I hope that his affairs will bring a lot of good things to the life of our country! And now, think about it, but could it have been a certain deal, as a result of which EBN is now honored / paid? One EBN center ... Why are you all salivating your monitors?!?! Envy silently!
              2. Roman Skomorokhov
                April 23 2016 10: 15
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I was at school, Roma and where were you at that time?


                And I served in the army.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And you stood with a poster at the Kremlin, against its construction?


                No, I did not. But I do not yell, unlike many, that Ukrainians are traitors.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And what should we do, return Crimea to them, that they "forgave and love" us? Give them gas for free? Or maybe we'll give Voronezh, but what, we are one people, but for my brother nothing is sorry. This is all for unity.
                In short, the essence of the article is that the Russians are to blame for the fact that the blood of the river flows in Ukraine. The State Department agrees.


                The inclusion clearly failed. "Try again")))

                An interesting moment, okay, I write how the Chukchi sings, what I see around. Twice already they tried to shut my mouth up impartially, once Atalef, the second time a professor with criticism reached. Sash, are you the third to decide?

                Well, okay, when you rub the posts that are against Ateleph, to hell with you, but what cannot you do now? I'm still not shut up, and you do not shut up. Criticize, of course, but the point?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 10: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: Banshee
                  but now you can’t sit?

                  Because...
                  Quote: Banshee
                  And I served in the army.

                  And at this time, here they are, you wrote about them in an article, about those who were ready to lick Yeltsin’s ass then? You ask them where they were in 1991, when the country was ruined? I will answer for you at a rally in his support and hundreds of thousands of them. Even the army passed over to your side in which you then served.
                  Quote: Banshee
                  . Criticize, of course, but the point?

                  Yeah, understand, you can’t criticize.
                  1. WUA 518
                    WUA 518 April 23 2016 11: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Even the army went over to his side in which you then served.

                    Sasha hello. The army did not take sides. I was just in those days in Moscow, on family leave. I called the regiment. To the question, how are you? Answered:
                    - We stand with suspended BC, the readiness is complete. That is the readiness of wartime.
                    After returning to the regiment, we held an officer meeting (and not only in our regiment, I know that for sure). Agenda: So who were we going to fight for? According to the results of the vote, for Yeltsin. So they decided, and entered into the protocol. Although I remember there was a case, it was widely covered. The tank commander, along with the crew, clearly went over to Yeltsin’s side. He participated in the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky. He was promised a position in the Presidential Security Council. According to the results: they were fired from the army, they were not taken to the Security Council.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 13: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      - We stand with suspended BC, the readiness is complete. That is the readiness of wartime.

                      And no one understood nichrome. Sanya is healthy!
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      So who were we going to fight for? According to the results of the vote, for Yeltsin.

                      It was a fun time.
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      . He was promised a position in the Presidential Security Council. According to the results: they were fired from the army, they were not taken to the Security Council.

                      A trifle, compared to what became later. How many people were laid in 1993, is still classified.
                    2. Inok10
                      Inok10 April 23 2016 13: 49
                      +10
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      After returning to the regiment, we held an officer meeting (and not only in our regiment, I know that for sure). Agenda: So who were we going to fight for? According to the results of the vote, for Yeltsin. So they decided, and entered into the protocol.

                      ... I read it and it became terribly simple ... the officers' meeting decides for whom they will fight ... but did they forget the oath? ... or are the words Homeland and People not spoken there? ... here they are the fruits of democracy-glasnost with the restructuring of the humpbacked ear-hook ...
                      Dear ones, there is a hut on the edge of Russia. How are you? Is everything okay But for me, for some reason, not very. Either because 300 is only kilometers away from this hut, which, according to our distances, is not at all, or I understand that the hut is Russian. Only located on the territory that was artificially isolated. But understand. Because he himself is Russian. And there are the same Russians as me.
                      And what are you after this Russian?

                      ... Roman Batkovich is right, you need to start with yourself, and not pour water on someone else's mill ... everything is clear with Bandera, but the rest really live in the occupied territory ... and it is a fact whether we like it or not ... it is not regrettable ...
                      1. WUA 518
                        WUA 518 April 23 2016 15: 24
                        +3
                        Quote: Inok10
                        officer meeting decides who will fight

                        Well, first they were going, it’s so written with me. Secondly, our combat training center (three regiments) was of Moscow subordination, and it is clear who gave the order to bring it to a higher degree of readiness. From here it is clear that however, but de facto we are on the side of the State Emergency Committee. Well, then with this meeting, a pure farce, uncles with big stars covered their priests and posts.
                      2. dauria
                        dauria April 23 2016 19: 45
                        +6
                        everything is clear with Bandera, but the rest really live in the occupied territory


                        Nonsense, they live in the territory belonging to the Ukrainian capitalist oligarchs. Just as sure like us, or Belarusians, or Kazakhs. Basta.
                        And except, as by force, now these estates under one "roof" cannot be driven. No one will just give their controlled "Cherkizovsky market" to another gang. Ah, there is one nation, ah, brotherhood ... It ended in 92, forget it ... The Soviet generation will die, and that's it. For the youth of Ukraine, this will not be a union with fraternal Russia, but a seizure and occupation.
                        Man as such is not "blood" and genes, but upbringing from childhood ... Many of us do not want to understand that 25 years have passed - the period of generational change.
                        Please note - I am not saying "speculatively", but as a person with half of his family left there.
                      3. Inok10
                        Inok10 April 23 2016 20: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: dauria
                        Nonsense, they live in the territory belonging to the Ukrainian capitalist oligarchs. Just like us, or Belarusians, or Kazakhs. Basta.
                        And except, as by force, now these estates under one "roof" cannot be driven. No one will just give their controlled "Cherkizovsky market" to another gang. Ah, there is one nation, ah, brotherhood ... It ended in 92, forget it ...

                        ... April is still in the yard, it seems like ... until September and the State Duma elections are far away ... ah, the agitation went well ... it’s scary to imagine what will happen in July-August ... wink
                  2. Captain nemo
                    Captain nemo April 23 2016 14: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: WUA 518
                    The tank commander, along with the crew, clearly went over to Yeltsin’s side.

                    Judging by the photo you posted, with your hands closed, one of the crew members was not very happy with this transition (the word is transition without quotation marks, because probably, as always, "for the company" with the whole crew).
                    1. WUA 518
                      WUA 518 April 23 2016 15: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: Captain Nemo
                      not very "happy"

                      Sight comes sooner or later.
                    2. Captain nemo
                      Captain nemo April 23 2016 16: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      Sight comes sooner or later.

                      It looks like the one sitting on the tank is not Major Evdokimov. He did not move with the crew of a separate tank, but ordered his entire battalion of 10 tanks to move to the White House. In one of the photos of those times, he had a pocket on his left sleeve, there is no such pocket here. And they’re lying if he, with gas masks over his shoulder, together with Yeltsin, were deciding the “fate of the country” by placing tanks around the perimeter.
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            2. KAV
              KAV April 23 2016 21: 57
              +1
              I won’t shut up anyway

              Novel, i.e. broke a pipe - now there is no salvation?
              Here's a simple question / suggestion ... Why don't you just do your thing silently? AND? Just do business. And do not yell at the media ...
              I want to? No strength to hold back emotions?
              All right.
              The question in the forehead is where were you at the time when you pounded the White House from the tanks and smoked the GKChP from there?
              But in general, and who do you think is right ??? And then there is a lot of indignation, but what is the essence?
          2. Letun
            Letun April 23 2016 12: 33
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            A crest will remain a crest. Though you let IT go to Europe. Where it is necessary to act with the mind, He strains only f * ck. Taras Shevchenko.
            Did he divide and rule?

            Yes eprst, Shevchenko did not write this garbage, how much can it be washed then? So you kind of tried to argue with the post with the author of the article, but it turned out that you confirmed that he was right. Propaganda is even acting on powerful minds laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 13: 25
              0
              Quote: Letun

              Yes eprst, Shevchenko did not write this garbage, how much can it be washed then?

              This was said by the newspaper ru, once writing that the words belong to Noshchenko.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza April 23 2016 07: 28
          +8
          Quote: igorka357
          Yes there went in their ranks the heroes of the Ukaine-provocateurs paid, yelling to the heroes of fat, and Bandera fat, and what, they are everywhere!

          Well, why didn’t they detain the provocateurs?
        3. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia April 23 2016 08: 34
          +10
          Igor 357, Convincing request, watch your expressions. I’m talking about this -
          "So dear Alexander, calm down, or are you a provocateur too?"

          Regarding the "march of Bendera in Moscow", one can call it a "march of peace", but the essence of this does not change.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2016 10: 56
            -1
            The march was called "march in memory of Nemtsov" and not "march of Bandera", "march of Bandera" would have been banned and it would not have been, do you not know? She is such a play on words, the man said what he wanted to see and away we go! love !
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 23 2016 07: 19
        +12
        About enemies, traitors, fools and huts from the edge


        Enemies, traitors have long been no longer huts ... but villas with palaces ... both from the edge and in the center.

        And the article ... True. Nobody ever likes it. Blind hatred has eclipsed the mind of many. There will be nothing good if we go with the slogan:

        But we forget that we have a common sky ... and the world too. And the price that will be paid for stupidity is often prohibitively high. And almost always it is paid by those who are innocent.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES April 23 2016 07: 54
          +17
          I am an Azerbaijani ... and I can’t understand why my soul hurts for Russia more than the Russians themselves? I respect the Russians ... those Russians with whom my grandfathers fought shoulder to shoulder. Those Russians who knew what honor was what is wisdom, what is homeland, what is brotherhood and what is truth.
          And why respect the modern Russians? Russians who spit saliva, and in their eyes hate everyone and each other. Russians who sell their homeland, their souls for pennies, often do not understand this themselves. Russians who are driven by the desire to destroy, execute, to kill? Russians in whom there is no RUSSIAN SPIRIT. Russians who have lost the right to call themselves Russians. WHY SUCH RUSSIANS HAVE SO SO MUCH? Why are Russians ... who are not Russian by name, but Russian in spirit has become so few?

          And to whom, comrades, Russian readers ... would you like to relate yourself, and to whom do you relate in fact?
          1. Dimontius
            Dimontius April 23 2016 09: 14
            +18
            Hey Azeri, you hold your horses. Or maybe I can take a ride through your fellow citizens, just by looking at crime reports across the Russian Federation? (Where are those good Azerbaijanis who were before ??) This time! Secondly, as an adult Russian, I declare to you that I personally do not know the people you are describing. Or do you think all 150 million people should be with a "Russian spirit" out? Earlier, maybe it was, I did not find it. But what our new state has experienced since its inception in 91 has certainly left its mark! and all those your claims may have a place to be, but they are mostly based on the material component. (We live in the Age of Capitalism, my friend!) Believe me, when the time comes, similar to when your grandfathers fought together with ours, honor! Homeland! and brotherhood! will come to the fore.
            1. Dimontius
              Dimontius April 23 2016 09: 32
              +2
              And yes, apparently your country will be at war with Turkey. And the bad Russians are to blame for everything ???
            2. HERMES
              HERMES April 23 2016 11: 41
              +3
              Quote: Dimontius
              Hey, Azerbaijanian, you hold your horses.

              I hold.
              Quote: Dimontius
              Or can I take a ride in your fellow citizens just by looking at the criminal reports in the Russian Federation?

              After you "ride" through your fellow citizens, especially those at the top and with tight wallets, your proposal will lose relevance wink
              Quote: Dimontius
              Where are those good Azerbaijanis that were before ??

              There are good Russians and everyone else.
              Quote: Dimontius
              Secondly, as an adult Russian, I declare to you that I personally am not familiar with the people you describe.

              And what kind of Russians are you, comrade, familiar with? Please describe them.
              Quote: Dimontius
              Believe me, when the time comes similar to when your grandfathers fought along with ours, honor! Motherland! and brotherhood! come to the fore.
              In this move, which I observe now, our children will ruin each other, and not fight together. Former friends, brothers will turn into the worst enemies.
              Quote: Dimontius
              We live in the Age of capitalism, my friend!

              Let's see what capitalism will bring us to this ...

              For us, we’ve thought of everything for a long time ... will we have time before all to plunge into the darkness to finally heed their advice?
              1. Dimontius
                Dimontius April 23 2016 16: 58
                +1
                After you "ride" through your fellow citizens, especially those at the top and with tight wallets, your proposal will lose relevance

                Those. our people are bored, our country's leaders are disgusting. We are also aggressors, imperialists, revenge-seekers, for some (yellow-bladed) even Nazis !!! You do not work part time at NYtimes Columnist? And then all the saints are already there !! hurry up! wink
                There are good Russians and everyone else.

                That's right! We are not like that, such a life ... But I repeat that at hour X, our DNA will not let us forget about our fictional greatness in the era of mankind.
                And what kind of Russians are you, comrade, familiar with? Please describe them.

                Easy! I quote: “War with Turkey? Hello, guys, we have a kebab, you've got some booze.
                In this move, which I observe now, our children will ruin each other, and not fight together. Former friends, brothers will turn into the worst enemies.

                What the hell are brothers? The republics seceded, got sovereign, but still look into the mouth of Moscow, feed from her hands, and at the same time they hawt, hobnob with enemies, do not respect our traditions and history, in OUR territory. And you want to say that we need such friends? no thanks, sense like a goat's milk.
                Let's see what capitalism will bring us to this ...

                Developed countries feel great, with a few exceptions. We are a young country, still a developing one, which now and then put sticks in wheels. It just takes time and relative stability. And God forbid to return to what we have already passed. My personal opinion is it will be a regression of pure water!
          2. Lekov L
            Lekov L April 23 2016 10: 05
            +6
            And to whom you, comrades, Russian readers ... would you like to attribute yourself, and to whom do you relate in fact? ... (c) Hermes

            Excuse me, have you seen such Russians about which you don’t see your diaspora in the markets?
            Okay then.
            But I "don't mess with bad people"
            I have friends among Azerbaijanis who are all very decent people. More and more engineers and specialists in agriculture.
            Not a single merchant from the bazaar.
            Listen yes. smile
            So maybe a Russian Azeri should be more careful about his social circle and have fewer overlaps with his fellow countrymen?
            Kebab is good in a good campaign, and I can only sympathize with you.
            Thank you for attention.
            1. HERMES
              HERMES April 23 2016 11: 17
              .
              Quote: Lekov L
              I have friends among Azerbaijanis who are all very decent people. More and more engineers and specialists in agriculture.


              I also have many Russian acquaintances from distilleries, from circuses with bears and balalaikas.

              Quote: Lekov L
              Excuse me, have you seen such Russians about which you don’t see your diaspora in the markets?


              They will not let you in where I saw them. They will only let you in if you work there (perhaps a "guest" from a similar "institution", possibly from another country), or if you are in handcuffs with a bag on your head in a crumpled state.
              Quote: Lekov L
              Thank you for attention.


              Do not give thanks hi
              1. Lekov L
                Lekov L April 23 2016 18: 32
                +5
                They won't let you in where I saw them. They will only let you in if you work there (perhaps a "guest" from a similar "institution", possibly from another country), or if you are in handcuffs with a bag on your head in a broken state.


                You see, the situation is even worse.
                You apparently are working in a place where there are few decent Russians. Some trash.
                And I communicate with Azerbaijanis and Armenians and Kalmyks and Tatars, who "do not need great upheavals, but need a great country" in which you and I live.

                I don’t repay myself from my bag and prison, but I’m hardly likely to get to the institutions you describe.
                Firstly, he is already unmilitary and aged, and secondly he is quite law-abiding ...
                Especially while me, the country and relatives do not touch.

                And "Russian readers" should not be hurt.
                On the Russian forum.
                Respect for normal people from Baku is falling, and I don’t want to be disappointed in your industrious nation.
                And the expression about
                many Russian acquaintances from distilleries, from circuses with bears and balalaikas

                You do not paint, but only shows that apparently not with those communicate about what and wrote above.
                By the way, in 80, I was acquainted with the Bakuman - a representative of the plant for the production and sale of Azerbaijani brandy in Maskva.
                Neighbors were a very good person.
                That's it.
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas April 23 2016 14: 07
              +2
              Quote: Lekov L
              Not a single merchant from the bazaar
              And what, there are fewer good people among the traders from the bazaar than among the deputies, doctors, teachers, etc.? Did you personally count? They plow no less than the Itrovites. Hermes is right: the Russians need to think about what is bad here, regardless of the territory of their residence, and the Azerbaijanis - what is bad for them, then there will be less Nazism and more benefits. And in our country they very often point a finger at a separate part of their people or towards other peoples, nations and shout to the delight of the State Department: "They are geeks, and we are the best!"
              1. HERMES
                HERMES April 23 2016 14: 50
                -3
                Well, I think about the log in the eye it makes no sense to speak ... many have already gone blind.
              2. Lekov L
                Lekov L April 23 2016 18: 46
                +1
                And what, among dealers from a market there are less good people, than among deputies, doctors, teachers, etc.? Did you personally count?

                No one said less, personally considered.
                Himself had a little in the late nineties to stand behind the counter.
                Not at the grocery. On the electronic.
                Therefore, I can write a little sharply. But there in the market everything is a bit harsh.
                And the work there is really difficult both for yourself and for the owner.
                I know.
                Respectfully..
                1. Lekov L
                  Lekov L April 23 2016 18: 53
                  +3
                  Yes, forgive me, there’s almost no one among those who say that there are few good and decent ones, it’s among the deputies. No need to compare them with merchants from the market - for the market is insulting. wink
                  Especially in the upper authorities.
                  At the district level, there are even quite, especially in the outback.
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas April 23 2016 22: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Lekov L
                    No need to compare them with market traders
                    The owners of the markets set the rules, and they are not much more humane than most of our deputies. Have you seen them at home? Like palaces of culture)) But at least they do not make themselves fighters for the interests of the people.
          3. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 23 2016 10: 27
            +2
            Quote: HERMES
            And to whom, comrades, Russian readers ... would you like to relate yourself, and to whom do you relate in fact?


            Politics in the country is carried out by the government (government), among which the Russians are almost dumb, some come from usurers and traders.
            Hence the fucking situation
            1. HERMES
              HERMES April 23 2016 11: 02
              -1
              Quote: sherp2015
              Quote: HERMES
              And to whom, comrades, Russian readers ... would you like to relate yourself, and to whom do you relate in fact?


              Politics in the country is carried out by the government (government), among which the Russians are almost dumb, some come from usurers and traders.
              Hence the fucking situation


              Traders, usurers, newcomers ... that's why enemies, traitors and a hut on the edge. With such a "confluence of circumstances" something else is foolish to expect.
      3. zloybond
        zloybond April 23 2016 18: 59
        0
        in front of any crowd, holy fools are always running and yelling "truth-womb" all over the square. Only the purpose of their shouting is not in the right words .. but to stir up the people. This muezzin is just a buffoon.
      4. Baloo
        Baloo April 24 2016 21: 22
        -2
        What kind of marches of Bandera’s around Moscow didn’t I hear, and I didn’t hear about my battered grandfather .. is it strange, but is there a reference to the Old, or so .. void? shit on vent threw however!

        One of those whom the author has addressed. Alas, one more dumb, dumber than previous trolls ...
    2. PKK
      PKK April 23 2016 08: 11
      +5
      The main thing is that all provocations against peoples are generously paid, organized by enemy state organizations, which act in accordance with the plans of specialists. Such provocations are very effective. And ordinary people act separately, spontaneously, at different times. Therefore, the results are not comparable. There will be an organization, there will be victories.
    3. Very old
      Very old April 23 2016 08: 12
      +16
      Logics?
      "If I didn't hear, then it didn't happen."
      It was. True, not a "march", but a sortie of those who consider Russia an aggressor, an invader - there were always enough "Makarevichs"

      I remember the case with my grandfather, I won’t search for the link. Unbelieving let him seek

      IT WAS. I do not forget.
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      2. Very old
        Very old April 23 2016 08: 41
        +3
        I'm thrice grandfather
        Asked proof?
        Hold:
        1. Very old
          Very old April 23 2016 08: 47
          +9
          This happened on February 29 this year. in the white-stone (belolentochnaya!) capital of our MOTHERLAND at a meeting in memory of Nemtsov, where about 5 hundred and fifty Makarevichs and Alekseevs gathered

          Flag Novodvorskaya them in hand
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka April 23 2016 10: 02
            +4
            This happened on February 29 this year. in the white-stone (belolentochnaya!) capital of our MOTHERLAND at a meeting in memory of Nemtsov, where about 5 hundred and fifty Makarevichs and Alekseevs gathered

            Flag Novodvorskaya them in hand


            and the flagpole to the symmetry point at the back!

            dog-dog. and the fact that they were not attacked and torn apart ... it seems to me that they are looked at as lepers or mentally abnormal - well, they go and go, just to make no action! The police are watching - well, okay, but if at least some kind of aggression ... repeat here many would have taken away the soul! the police protect them from us, not from them! that's the difference with Ukraine, where people see a threat and try to resist it. And here ... except for the feeling of abomination and disgust, this "march" is hardly provoked by anything. No wonder they say - don't touch it, it won't stink ... it will dry up by itself, but no ... there is someone to disinfect. hi
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2016 10: 52
            -5
            I ask again what was the name of the march?
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 April 25 2016 11: 36
              0
              Quote: igorka357
              I ask again what was the name of the march?

              Well, what did you do like yes))) Any march of people who do not agree with Putin is a march of Bendera fascists and traitors to the motherland)
              Volodin told you that the deputy head of the presidential administration, Putin is Russia. So do not rock the boat here, it is better to join the fight against enemies, the fifth column and world imperialism)))
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 April 23 2016 10: 51
          -3
          What was the name of the march?
      3. igorka357
        igorka357 April 23 2016 10: 54
        -4
        What was the name of the march? I'm already tired of repeating, if this uncle said at the "Nemtsov's march" there was one Banderism, this is one thing, but when he says in Moscow on the "Bandera march" they beat up grandfather this is completely different, these are his thoughts, his gag!
        1. Lelek
          Lelek April 23 2016 11: 25
          +6
          Quote: igorka357
          I'm tired of repeating


          If you are so tired, then drink valerian, "gromozeka".
          "One against all" is a hopeless business. Love for yourself whoever you want; hate who is spreading rot and annoying you, but do not dump your insides on a sheet and general review.
          I like Ukrainians in PM, but I hate Bandera and despise "moyahataskraev". I will not change my position, but I will not repeat it with a tired face. yes hi
  2. gergi
    gergi April 23 2016 06: 33
    +3
    I am sure there will be much more grandfathers and these grandfathers are still able to do something. And there, you look, and the youth will catch up.
  3. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod April 23 2016 06: 59
    +12
    Moscow is a dump. They would try to walk for example in Yekaterinburg, then they would dig them somewhere on the outskirts
    1. ava09
      ava09 April 23 2016 07: 37
      +13
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Moscow is a dump. They would try to walk for example in Yekaterinburg, then they would dig them somewhere on the outskirts

      And the "burgers" listened to Teft's provocations with their mouths open. None came out in protest. And the "parishioners" of this site are discussing anything, just not the FIRST REASONS of what is happening. The main thing is the loss of ROOTS, and with them the WISDOM OF THE ANCESTORS. Lop-eared people have been manipulated for many centuries.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 23 2016 09: 24
        +8
        And I did not understand what the article was for. That in Ukraine there are many Russians who are just waiting for their release? Probably it is. Maybe even most of them. But there are others as well. About 100 thousand people passed through the anti-terrorist operation zone! They go there to fight with the Russians. And they have families waiting for the hero to go home and curse Putin. With families there will already be somewhere a thousand 500 sympathizers. And this is only the APU! And terbats, just svidomye ... In short, I have a question: how do we sort the Ukrainians? And what exactly is being proposed?
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka April 23 2016 10: 15
          +6
          In short, I have a question: how do we sort the Ukrainians? And what exactly is being proposed?

          request that's just the point ... there are no specifics, it's just that we are so-and-so, we forgot our brothers ... but it's okay that they come to us without problems and stay, no one (!) hates them, in the worst case, dissatisfaction and gurgling. And from their side? Can you go to Ukraine and feel calm? And what about thousands of marches in memory of Bendery and other garbage? These are not the dead 5 (five!) Thousand in Moscow who "pose a threat", but there are more homeless people in Moscow than these poor defenders! Nobody says that everyone there is bad, but in case of "help" - we are the occupiers. It seems to me that the way out is to support Donbass not like the toothless Minsk now, we need to put more pressure on the Kiev top authorities. And here ... today Russia agreed to postpone the trial of 3 billion in order to give the new government an opportunity to think (!) belay
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 23 2016 15: 44
            +3
            "Russia agreed to postpone the trial for 3 billion"
            Because not to see these 3 lard in the short term, as their ears. It’s good that all 15 lards promised to Yanukovych did not have time to adjust!
        2. quote
          quote April 23 2016 10: 34
          +1
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          In short, I have a question: how do we sort the Ukrainians? And what exactly is being proposed?

          And what sort there! By hand you write a ticket to Hawaii, put it on a ticket, 30 bucks (silver coins), and throw this packet into the abyss.
          And you won’t believe your eyes.
          And if we mention the opportunity to work instead of a black man! Kapets resort.
        3. Genry
          Genry April 23 2016 10: 54
          +7
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          In short, I have a question: how do we sort the Ukrainians?

          What an exact phrase.
          Is it not clear that PR and propaganda rule the world, and lying propaganda rules even stronger (but not for long).
          I see that there is a process of rejection of lies, but the sediment remains. Against this sediment it is necessary to impose its own sediment on top and then there will be a "case".
          Ukrainians were not just washed their heads, they started with children, beat them in the most vulnerable place - education. And then the children raised their parents (did you think the process was going the other way around?). "Shift of consciousness", millimetric every day, this is what is happening in Ukraine and Russia.
          Only those who studied in the "nezalezhnaya" school and the old Bandera cadres, which were formed in the USSR, went to fight.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek April 23 2016 11: 43
            +2
            Quote: Genry
            How do we sort the Ukrainians?


            How to sort? It's very simple: Ukrainians who remember and honor their history without exceptions and fantastic corrections; Bandera, thirsting for power and revenge in any way up to the transformation of the Fatherland into someone's colony, and the people into slavery; well, and Tarasiki and Odarki with blindfolds, covered ears and a sewn-up mouth under the banner "my house is extreme." Something like that. The percentage of symbiosis is possible. yes
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 23 2016 12: 21
        -3
        Quote: ava09
        ROOT LOSS

        The roots are in place ... they only rot.
        Quote: ava09
        And the "parishioners" of this site are discussing anything, just not the FIRST REASONS of what is happening.

        So that the "parishioners" do not discuss ... the matter will go anywhere, but just not in the right direction. We have been dying for centuries, only we change the place of "meetings".
        In our world, things are done in BLOOD AND THROUGH. Blood was shed a lot ... rivers of blood ... and so did not achieve anything.

        As long as the human Self ... nothing changes ... our dreams and ideas, no matter how beautiful they are, are utopia. And in order to realize utopia ... a person needs to stop being a person. And this is a completely different story ...
    2. Naum
      Naum April 23 2016 07: 59
      +1
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Moscow is a dump.

      200% +++ !!!
      1. HERMES
        HERMES April 23 2016 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: Naum
        Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
        Moscow is a dump.

        200% +++ !!!


        Yes, at least all 300 ... and who turned Moscow into a trash? More precisely ... why did they give the opportunity to do this?
    3. Tusv
      Tusv April 23 2016 08: 44
      +3
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Moscow is a dump

      Read the article again. She is also addressed to you
    4. gorozhanka74
      gorozhanka74 April 23 2016 09: 02
      0
      absolutely true, Moscow and especially Peter are not patriots in any way.
  4. forester
    forester April 23 2016 07: 58
    +10
    The author gathered everything in a heap - now we understand who Gorbachev and Yeltsin were for the country, but then in the 90s Yeltsin was perceived as a deliverer from Gorbachev and had the support of the majority of the population, and it was for him in 91 that people climbed under the tanks I remember coupons for groceries and queues at 5 am for bread with a hunchback and was also for Yeltsin What would have been a victory then the State Emergency Committee, we can only speculate, but history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood - therefore we will not So the question "where were you" sounds provocative And what about Ukraine I think that we need to give them the opportunity to sip on shit until they are full I agree that there are normal people there and there are a lot, and I also do not understand why Russia does not participate in the support and consolidation of anti-Maidan forces and they cannot cope without us Apparently the Kremlin believes that the pear is not yet ripe PS : The crayfish traders on "Privoz" in Odessa beat the nationalists So that ... ("Star")
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander April 23 2016 08: 26
      +6
      Quote: forester
      but then in 90, Yeltsin was perceived as a deliverer from Gorbachev and had the support of the majority of the population, and it was for him in 91 that people climbed under tanks


      Yeah, got rid of Gorbachev, but got rid from COUNTRY и 24 million Russians.
      1. forester
        forester April 23 2016 11: 52
        +4
        Quote: Aleksander
        Quote: forester
        but then in 90, Yeltsin was perceived as a deliverer from Gorbachev and had the support of the majority of the population, and it was for him in 91 that people climbed under tanks


        Yeah, got rid of Gorbachev, but got rid from COUNTRY и 24 million Russians.

        Now all hindsight smart
      2. kotvov
        kotvov April 23 2016 12: 06
        +1
        Yeah, got rid of Gorbachev, but got rid of the COUNTRY and 24 million Russians,
        you apparently didn’t live at that time. I think at that time zombie methods were tried. To tell for a long time, but in a nutshell: they brought the country to the coupons, drove all the troubles from the Communist Party into the head, the army was not needed. And the drunk will save everyone. We know the result.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander April 23 2016 12: 48
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          you apparently didn’t live at that time. I think at that time zombie methods were tried. To tell for a long time, but in a nutshell: they brought the country to the coupons, drove all the troubles from the Communist Party into the head, the army was not needed. And the drunk will save everyone. We know the result.


          Yes, yes, I don’t know, I remember very well these huge demonstrations of cheerful dbls from "Democratic Russia" in Moscow, wearing dbla EBNgo in their arms. Looking at that bacchanalia, there was only one thought: "WHAT are they doing ?! They are destroying the country! How can you not understand this ?!"
    2. gorozhanka74
      gorozhanka74 April 23 2016 09: 11
      +16
      "but then, in the 90s, Yeltsin was perceived as a deliverer from Gorbachev and had the support of the majority of the population"
      ... my parents with foam at the mouth convinced me of Yeltsin’s benefit and need ... I didn’t vote, and I told everyone that a drunk drunk could not be president ... that a person who could not cope with himself was not able to manage country ...
      A few years later, my parents admitted that I was right.
      ... I will not say anything about Gorbachev, the man who sold and betrayed the army does not deserve a mention.
      1. HERMES
        HERMES April 23 2016 12: 34
        0
        Quote: gorozhanka74
        ... my parents with foam at the mouth convinced me of the Yeltsin benefit and need

        Quote: gorozhanka74
        A few years later, my parents admitted that I was right.

        And now transform it into state relations between the two countries. At this level, over these "several years" ... one people will rise to the other (not without the help of the "chosen" people). In a few years everyone will understand everything ... but it will be already late. The crowd cannot be stopped, and the dead will continue to be buried.
    3. Stena
      Stena April 23 2016 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: forester
      The crayfish traders on "Privoz" in Odessa beat the nationalists So that ... ("Zvezda")

      It is exclusively a matter of money - and the fact that one of them is a nationalist is completely secondary ... Therefore, they have come up with a political background to enhance the effect. In fact - just a redistribution of spheres of influence ...
      Quote: forester
      The author has collected everything in a heap

      One gets the feeling that a new public opinion is being prepared: these are the facts - Kernes’s visit to Moscow, the direct line of A. Zakharchenko with the residents of the Kharkov region, the formation and equipment of heavy brigades in the DPR and LPR. Conclusion - there will soon be changes in the size of the LDNR. And as a direct consequence - relevant articles in the media.
      The opinion is exclusively mine. And I could be wrong ... =))
  5. Naum
    Naum April 23 2016 09: 13
    +15
    Quote: Aleksander
    the author is in many ways right.

    But not at all. Yes, it is tough, offensive, but put a "plus". It is a pity that there is only one.
    I will express my subjective opinion, not claiming the truth.
    It's all about human nature. Remember Vladimir Semyonovich: "There are few real violent ones. So there are no leaders! .." No more than 10% of people have the inclinations (which still need to be developed) leaders who are able to make decisions, organize and take responsibility. There are even fewer (fractions of a percent) charismatic Leaders capable of becoming Leaders. The rest are "theorists" who must be inspired and motivated to take real action (from the word "feat"). And thank God! Otherwise, they would quickly kill each other in the struggle for leadership and human history would end as soon as it began ...
    I myself am an ordinary person, a "theoretician" and I know for sure that until I am "cornered" I will endure, look for ways to survive, etc. In short - a conformist, opportunist. Alas ... But if some clever guys are driven, then ... I fall into a rage and the "bar" collapses completely. I can disfigure and even kill, if not stopped (there were several such cases, but stopped - hard)))). This can be extrapolated to human society as well. And if you also remember how the authorities have been successfully making "cogs" out of ordinary people for decades, obedient to the will and hand of leaders ... It is not in our, fortunately, mentality to publicly demonstrate discontent. We are closer to rebellion. When they get it and there is no other way out, and then the Leader appeared with assistants - leaders. Well, remember our History of the 20th century. It is good if the Leader has a positive, constructive vector of movement, and not "to the core" ... Well, something like that. And one more thing: a heightened sense of injustice decides a lot in us. And envy ...
  6. Winnie76
    Winnie76 April 23 2016 10: 07
    +3
    Again snot about our brothers, languishing under the yoke of Nazism. Putin leaked, did not introduce tanks, and in Russia there are only indifferent "khataskrayniks" and cynical bastards. You should at least look at the polls of Shariy from Kiev. Illusions will diminish. And by the way, do the Ukrainians themselves know that we are one people? And who, then, divided the Ukrainians and Russians in the USSR? Always kept apart. Also a collection of reptiles and "khataskrayniks"?

    "There are Russians living in Russia - Russians, there are Russians living in Ukraine - Ukrainians, there are Russians living in Belarus - Belarusians." Tell this to the Ukrainians or Belarusians, you are not indifferent to us. About Nord-Ost - this is generally beyond the bounds. Article minus
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 23 2016 14: 51
      +3
      Quote: Winnie76
      And who then divided the Ukrainians and Russians in the USSR?
      IN AND. Lenin.
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo April 23 2016 15: 28
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        IN AND. Lenin.

        Yes, no - Vladimir Ilyich was very late in the fall of 1917, if by the summer of 1917 the UNR had already concocted three of his wagons for himself and the Russian Republic. And mind you, the issue of territories back in the summer has not gone anywhere.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 23 2016 18: 28
          +1
          Quote: Captain Nemo
          by the summer of 1917, the UPR had already concocted three of its wagons for itself and the Russian Republic.
          You can also talk about the Siberian and Far Eastern republics, but the talk is different.
  7. user
    user April 23 2016 14: 09
    0
    What, excuse me, is our native Russian brown electorate different from Ukrainian? Yes, nothing!


    You know this is the simplest accusation, like myself. But political science and sociology says the exact opposite. They say about the same thing (excuse me without quotes) leaders of a certain type appear in society and the state, and this type determines the need of society. so short and clear. Putin appeared in Russia, and Poroshenko in Ukraine (and before that, Yanukovych, by the way, he came without any Maidan). You feel what the needs of society. And so one people, well, or a divided people.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 23 2016 15: 07
      0
      Quote: user
      But political science and sociology says the exact opposite.
      They say in chorus? Strange, I have not yet met a single question on which social scientists would not have directly opposing opinions.
      Quote: user
      leaders of a certain type appear in society and the state, and this type determines the need of society. so short and clear
      Brevity, of course, is the sister of talent, but the mother-in-law of the fee: I won't give a broken ruble for such a "regularity".
  • Dimontius
    Dimontius April 23 2016 06: 32
    +19
    The author claims that Ukrainians are Russians too, and we are generally one people. Who would argue ... everyone already knows this. But I cannot understand, what is he calling for a large-scale civil war between the Russians? Offers to send an army to Kiev? And this is at that moment, which we have been patiently waiting for all of Russia, led by Uncle Vova for 2 years? Namely, the complete degradation of the junta, the beginning of the enlightenment of the Ukrainian society and the rather sharp discard of their cards by the West? Author, are you out of your mind? And nothing that our "partners" provoked us to such a reaction all this time? And we must not forget that the Supreme Commander is responsible for his country - for our Russia! For 150 million people, and not for those who have achieved sovereignty and are proud of it together with Kravchuk! Since Ukrainians are Russians, would you like to ask them a similar question: "What kind of Russians are you after that, since you endure the fascist junta?" How far do you think they will send you? Aaaaa ... yes ... I understand you, you think that the Russians should come and reason with them ...
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 23 2016 07: 10
      +13
      Quote: Dimontius
      Since Ukrainians are Russians, would you like to ask them a similar question:

      I am trying to ask this question to my relatives. at first I’m only a material. now all communications have been cut off. I don’t know whether they are alive or not. according to the news, Enakievo is badly destroyed. this is also to why the troops did not enter. not everyone there is happy to see us. and they will shoot in the back.
  • OlegV
    OlegV April 23 2016 07: 06
    +14
    Well, finally turn on the brain, try it! Once a year, it does not hurt, although a little humiliating.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 April 23 2016 07: 12
    +6
    "The same Lech" "Learn from Putin to strike at the right time ...."

    So Putin seemed to say that Yanukovych called him, consulted on the use of force on the Maidan, and Putin told him to refrain from using weapons, and that’s what happened on the advice of the sage.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 23 2016 07: 18
      +18
      Quote: Igor39
      Putin told him

      The same VVP said “we don’t abandon our own people”, “let them just try to bomb women and children” - that is why Ukrainian relatives are now swearing when calling from Russia. They won't shoot in the back, but they consider themselves loyal and sold to the oligarchs. They just really waited and hoped ...
      PS. By the way, if the relatives are now in the territory controlled by Kiev, they will swear, because wiretapping and identification of "separatists" is in full swing.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 23 2016 08: 57
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        The same VVP said “we don’t abandon our own people”, “let them just try to bomb women and children” - that is why Ukrainian relatives are now swearing when calling from Russia. They won't shoot in the back, but they consider themselves loyal and sold to the oligarchs. They just really waited and hoped ...

        So they waited and hoped that they began to speak with the Crimeans on a mov? Donbass didn’t abandon GDP
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 09: 10
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          The same VVP said “we don’t abandon our own people”, “let them just try to bomb women and children” - that is why Ukrainian relatives are now swearing when calling from Russia.

          And we did not interrupt? It’s not our soldiers who defended Donetsk and Lugansk, huh? They were miners and taxi drivers, and Russia generally stood nearby. So, in your opinion?
          Quote: Tusv
          They just really waited and hoped ...

          And in Donetsk and Lugansk, our military saw, only here, some of us did not notice it.

          And finally, now look at the page with comments below yours. Is it really so difficult to write comments normally, the whole page below your comments has flown. This is because of your crooked comments.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv April 23 2016 09: 39
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And finally, now look at the page with comments below yours. Is it really so difficult to write comments normally, the whole page below your comments has flown. This is because of your crooked comments.

            Thank you for your comment. Noticed and corrected, three minutes after the publication of my post. The equal sign is not imprinted in quotas. I apologize.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv April 23 2016 09: 53
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And we did not interrupt? It’s not our soldiers who defended Donetsk and Lugansk, huh? They were miners and taxi drivers, and Russia generally stood nearby. So, in your opinion?

            Donbass did not give up GDP - this is a statement, not a question. hi
      2. Stena
        Stena April 23 2016 12: 46
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        They just really waited and hoped ...

        So I sit and hope and wait - that suddenly I will have a good grandfather, who will leave me a billion thousand bucks in inheritance (that is, for nothing). Moreover, everyone knows that in order to achieve the goal, appropriate actions are needed. And if you sit and wait - well, apparently - the desire is not too great or the goal is not too real, that there is no faith in its attainability ...
        Quote: Egoza
        By the way, if the relatives are now in the territory controlled by Kiev, they will swear, because wiretapping and identification of "separatists" is in full swing.

        It's very smart! Straight up the top of genius! Here is a normal person - he says, in such cases - "I'm sorry - I'm not ready to talk about such topics! Let's postpone the conversation until better times." As a result, everyone is fine. And when you are scolded, it is not clear for what and with very bad words - the question is to think, but do you need it?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 07: 19
      +6
      Quote: Igor39
      and Putin told him to refrain from using weapons,

      Actually, Putin said this to everyone. He spoke about the inadmissibility of unlawful acts against the police. And he said that Yanek cretin, that he ordered to remove the Golden Eagle from the center of Kiev.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 23 2016 07: 36
        +3
        Of course, Yanukovych is to blame, who else, the Russian leadership and security agencies since the collapse of the USSR have been robbing the country and sharing property, it’s not a secret that among the property owners of Russia there are many former KGB officers and other law enforcement agencies. The ruling class is now the bourgeoisie and I personally I’m sure that the majority of high-ranking officials in various law enforcement agencies are millionaires, that is, representatives of the bourgeois too, so they were more concerned with increasing their profits and not developing the situation in Ukraine, how is it that the minority sponsored by the CIA and the State Department took power over Ukraine over most supported by Russia? This is unfortunately the biggest failure of the intelligence work of Russia, everyone did it ad-lib, with the Crimea it turned out fortunately without blood, and they drowned Donbass in blood, I personally think that in this situation the blame is mostly on those who allowed such a development of events.
  • larand
    larand April 23 2016 07: 21
    +8
    Quote: The same Lech

    Human society is, figuratively speaking, not a homogeneous monolith and it is woven from many shreds of different sizes, colors, strengths ... hehe smell and pattern.

    Humanity is a silent herd, led by leaders. There always had to be someone who would shout - "People, go ahead ... (you can insert anything)". Where the leaders are leading, they often do not understand themselves due to mental illness. In extremely rare cases, the goals of the leaders are not that noble, but at least objectively necessary. But since the leaders in most cases are far from the best individuals, or even outright scoundrels, then we have what we have. And the people, like Pushkin's, are silent until they find another organizer, nothing happens and cannot be by itself.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES April 23 2016 12: 43
      0
      Quote: larand
      larand


      That's all I thought: how literary and chewed to express your thoughts, and release them to the "masses" ... you said everything I wanted to say. hi
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  • siberalt
    siberalt April 23 2016 10: 11
    +4
    Respect to the author! But the topic for the forum is really unbearable. Many great thinkers of all times and peoples fought over it and tons of manuscripts were written. A man without an idea is a vegetable, and society even more so. Everyone knows that war is evil, but they are at war.
    There is no common, unifying nation (not to be confused with nationalities) idea. Everything has been taken away by liberal burrows. And the more of them, the easier it is to manage them from the outside, having the power of money, and bringing in an ersatz of ideas. But it was! Unlike the Paris 70-day commune, the USSR lasted 70 years.
    Curious. Yesterday at the "Right of Voice", Roman Babayan conducted an interactive survey - which economic system is more acceptable in Russia. 78% voted for socialist! And this means that the idea is still alive. Well, who "slows down" all this, what is in Ukraine, what is in Russia? Guess three times. hi The enemy is common, but there is no common idea for the people in the fight against it.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES April 23 2016 12: 55
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Well, who "slows down" all this, what is in Ukraine, what is in Russia? Guess three times. The enemy is common, but there is no common idea for the people in the fight against him.


      The idea has been there for a long time ... there are no people and forces that can break through the "doors of the Reichstag" and knock the obscurantists out of there, and hoist a banner on the roof. And most importantly ... there is no faith in this.

      Even if there are people willing to sacrifice their lives for a good idea, for whom will this idea be good? ISIS is fighting for the idea ... and for them it is good.

      To understand what is good is as hard as it is hard for a blind man to see the stars.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov April 23 2016 10: 26
    0
    from Putin no blows to Bandera in Ukraine did not happen! On the contrary, he was one of the first to recognize the presidency of Poroshenko. Despite the elections, before which opponents were put in garbage cans and watered with green. During the Maidan, you could shake Yanukovych, equip him with special equipment (remember the Nord-Ost) and force Yanukovych to fulfill his duties. If he was so afraid for his capital in the West, it was possible to compensate for it to Yanukovych, then we were rich. In March 2014, it was possible to completely end the Bandera scumbags by force, the Ukrainian people in their mass would THEN support us, your article Roman is just about that. Yes, the West imposed sanctions on us, but HE AND IMPOSED THIS. RESULT. Moreover, he initiated a permission from the Federation Council to send troops to support the Russians, and they believed him. The result - hand washing, they say, the Ukrainian people will figure it out. Hence the Donbass is on fire, the situation there is ambiguous Russian, surrender them or not. Sanctions imposed us anyway. Savchenko spat on our court, and he made a political decision to give her up. If he doesn’t care how Russia is rinsed all over the world, then why should Russian patriots tolerate this. From here comes the report here and there.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 24 2016 08: 27
    -1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Learn from PUTIN ... he knows how to wait and strike at the right time and place.


    I read to the phrase "when Yeltsyn shot the parliament." Then there are a lot of irrelevant letters, I haven't read it, it's boring, but I'll tell you my opinion. Do not throw such phrases about the execution. Let's say the parliament was not shot. And? A chitroanus hasbulat, a daring and stupid rutskoy, would have ruled us, they would have started tearing each other's throats IMMEDIATELY after the overthrow of the dictator. Or would they cancel the privatization? Oh, well, don’t tell the rake at my dacha. The American dream would become a reality - figuratively speaking, the Smolensk region militia gathered in the Bryansk region, and ore went. What happened in fact happened - the lesser Evil defeated much more.
    And the Ukrainians will answer for the bazaar, and even at the household level, if the authorities do not get it, Leopold the Cat is over. Anyone else, but I'm used to hitting a turnip when they spit at me, even if it's a younger brother. It is good to drive "will not rise, will not rise", general cases.
  • Arkhan
    Arkhan April 25 2016 20: 14
    0
    I don’t want to prove anything to you. Just leave it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQpIZ4SdSUY
    You decide what to do with it.
  • Haloperidol
    Haloperidol April 23 2016 05: 04
    +15
    1) Everything fell apart before the signing of the Bialowieza Agreements, they only recorded what has already happened and I can easily prove it to anyone. 2) Do not tell me fables for one people. There are people polished and one that left the oppression of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and did not begin to serve it in principle ... If Ukraine Mazepa is Ukraine Khmelnitsky and no need to try to pass off as a whole that which has not been such for many centuries ...
    1. HERMES
      HERMES April 23 2016 13: 00
      0
      But who signs these agreements? People? Wise men? Or scoundrels? The answer is clear to everyone, but he’s just like a lump in the throat of many people. And that’s why all these Ukraine will be Mazel’s, Ukraine’s Khmelnitsky ....
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer April 23 2016 05: 06
    +8
    I do not agree! The people, no matter how they call themselves, must defend their country themselves. Otherwise, he won’t understand where he ended up and who is his friend. To do this, he must take the horn in his hands. And about the fact that they don’t have their own Putin, there never was a similarity there, they studied the history of the treason of this land. Genes! Let them figure it out with themselves first when the dogs on the street are biting into death, there is nothing for a person to climb apart, you yourself understand how this will end.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch April 24 2016 13: 00
      0
      Quote: Foresterer
      Let them figure it out with themselves first when the dogs on the street are biting into death, there is nothing for a person to climb apart, you yourself understand how this will end.


      Yes, if these zarazas somewhere, somewhere in Antarctica were biting, otherwise it’s near by. And what touches, there is no brain at all! Well, it’s necessary to be so overwhelmed with independence. Sooner or later, the circus will calm down, but the clowns ALL seriously expect to bounce. Unlike the more intelligent Leo Trotsky, he also thought so, and the Zinoviev-Kamenev too. And then there were some valtsman ... If only we would have looked a step forward, degenerates
  • igorka357
    igorka357 April 23 2016 05: 08
    +25
    Roma, a surge of emotions or something, or do you think you’re smarter than everyone? It would be better if you listed the message by name, and you stupidly insulted everyone and everything .. minus the article! Where were you at that time, asking yourself? Comparison with Nord-Ost is not appropriate at all, someone might have given weapons to the hostages, huh? And one more thing is to sit on a barrel with shrapnel, to rock and to undermine everyone with no chance of survival, and another thing to try to do something with very good chances come back home! Choose Roma, would start a crowd to riot, and blow up the hall where your wife and children are sitting, knowing that they will all die one hundred percent, or would you hope for the help of special forces? I’m absolutely sure I would sit quietly calculating options, and calculating there are all of them, and having understood the hopelessness of the situation, I would have sat on and waited for help, because sometimes there are situations that we cannot influence!
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 23 2016 07: 14
      +2
      Quote: igorka357
      Comparison with Nord-Ost is not appropriate at all,

      I am amazed. still Beslan would have dragged ...
  • izya top
    izya top April 23 2016 05: 21
    +8
    No machine guns, no "little green men" behind, no "polite people" in the future
    again, uncle must come and do ...
  • igorka357
    igorka357 April 23 2016 05: 23
    -2
    Someone stupidly minus, and that's it lol .Roman, I hope you haven’t dropped to this wink !
    1. Genry
      Genry April 23 2016 10: 05
      +7
      I minus you a couple of times!
      Have you come for a bargain?
      Or do you consider yourself a saint?
      Or am I not entitled to express my opinion?
      What I DO NOT like is minus and I will!
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 23 2016 10: 45
        -6
        Listen, respected Ukrainian Henry, it’s absolutely violet for your pluses and minuses! I just noticed that someone put a dull minus on all five comments, and that’s it! If you didn’t notice the jokes and sarcasm in my comment, you’re worse wink ! And normal people express their opinions in a dialogue, not with silent discontent, although who has how many grams in their head, you can’t justify your discontent and express the opposite point of view, minus your health, just don’t cough!
        1. Genry
          Genry April 23 2016 11: 02
          +4
          Are you so offended ?? !!?!
          It can be seen that this happened seriously for you.
          You everywhere think so a penny?
          A mine or plus just tells you without any words .... or you read only in syllables.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2016 11: 13
            -4
            Well, again, somewhere you looked for an insult from me, well, what will you do? laughing ! What other pennies, minus and plus without words shows that you just didn’t like something and that you can’t constructively and in business answer wink !
            1. Genry
              Genry April 23 2016 11: 30
              +4
              I briefly answered you that I do not consider you right and have the opposite longing for vision. Or replace the square with the minus sign with this long phrase.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek April 23 2016 11: 55
                +2
                Quote: Genry
                Genry


                Hey Igor and Henry, end up sorting out the relationship or doing it in PM on the soap. Remember that of the two disputants, one is d.u.r.a.k., and the other is p.o.d.c. yes
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES April 23 2016 13: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Remember that of the two disputants, one is d.u.r.a.k., and the other is p.o.d.c.
                2. tantalum
                  tantalum April 23 2016 16: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Of the two disputes, one is d.d.a.s., and the other is a p.o.d.c.

                  Are you the type over the fight and the most intelligent and decent? :)
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                4. Weyland
                  Weyland April 23 2016 17: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Remember that of the two disputants, one is d.u.r.a.k., and the other is p.o.d.c.


                  Lölek, this proverb refers to a dispute in the sense of bet (with some kind of mortgage), but not in the sense of debate!
                  Yes, and then one and the other scoundrel only if the subject of the dispute is already a fait accompli !
                5. tantalum
                  tantalum April 29 2016 06: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Lelek
                  one do.d.a.s. and the other p.o.d.c.

                  Bug, you didn’t see the fight, but two in one wink
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 April 23 2016 13: 23
                -1
                So you are just a bummer wink ?
                1. Genry
                  Genry April 23 2016 13: 51
                  0
                  A lazy person came up with a bed, a car, a computer and all the technical progress.
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES April 23 2016 14: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    A lazy person came up with a bed, a car, a computer and all the technical progress.


                    Invented being lazy ... and having realized they ceased to be.
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  • sl22277
    sl22277 April 23 2016 05: 40
    +7
    "Real Ukrainians" are not born, they are made through long-term brain processing. In difficult times of trouble, it is very convenient to consider oneself to be different: one can escape from the pressure, from the need to make efforts for the good of the revival of one's common homeland, and to improve one's personal hut in the regional silence, pretending that, in fact, he never had anything to do with the mother abused by enemies. Instead of a "bright European future" - a nightmare past. Aggravated by nationalistic frenzy and perverted sagging under the West and controlled structures such as the IMF. As long as such a power rules in the country, it’s absolutely "violet" for me whether the hut is burning or dying out.
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol April 23 2016 05: 47
      +16
      Why aren’t they born ?! For example, one Bandera profursetka, such as Irina Farion, now I can’t remember her last name, openly stated that she grew up on Bandera songs ... And these women are far from young, so they were still underground in the times of the USSR, and consisted of some Bandera circles ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 23 2016 06: 41
        +11
        Quote: Haloperidol
        For example, one Bandera profursetka, such as Irina Farion, now I can’t remember her last name, openly stated that she grew up on Bandera songs ..

        This is Anna (Ganya) German, a native of Canada, studied and worked in the USA and then ... Yanukovych’s spokeswoman. hi
        she also instilled in him a tolerance for memory, a tolerant attitude and European values ​​in the form of "democracy"
      2. Lens
        Lens April 23 2016 08: 02
        .
        Do you want to prove that you also grew up on Bandera songs? ))) Did you listen to "Lieutenant Golitsyn"? Her and now some with a guitar at a picnic, some from the stage ... Bandera. "" Friendly to the farmer ", 1949. And the author is a real terry Banderaite. And she was brought to her current state in the sixties. I myself was in shock)))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 08: 09
          +2
          Quote: Lens
          Do you want to prove that you also grew up on Bandera songs? ))) Did you listen to "Lieutenant Golitsyn"?

          With a headache problem?
          1. Genry
            Genry April 23 2016 10: 37
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            With a headache problem?

            You didn’t want to think about it and immediately be rude.

            Bandera tales and songs of this kind destroyed the ideological harmony of the state.
            Under Khrushchev, the level of lies was, as in the current Poroshenko. People saw this, plus fairy tales and romantic songs - this is the beginning of unhappy fermentation. Oil on the bends, slowly added and the collapse of the USSR turned out.
            Now things are going to the collapse of Russia.

            And the fact that today's Ukraine is the result of the removal of Russia itself - the author of the article is absolutely right. A holy place does not happen empty - where Russia leaves, its enemies come there.
            America outside Ukraine promoted its people to the authorities, where by bribery, compromising evidence, and where by killing competitors. As a result, Yanukovych was surrounded by enemies from all sides.
            Now this is happening in Russia.

            You (I, a Kievite) already have an ideologically unifying center for counteracting the American occupation - the NCD is called. But you, fashionably so, prefer to consider E. Fedorov an upstart and dumbass. It may be hard to perceive yourself as slaves, but you are already in slavery and it is time to end this.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 23 2016 11: 03
              +2
              Quote: Genry
              Bandera tales

              Do not confuse Bandera tales with Ukrainian folklore
              Alas for you they came true. Ukraine is strong, but not free.
              1. Genry
                Genry April 23 2016 11: 18
                +2
                Quote: Tusv
                Do not confuse Bandera tales with Ukrainian folklore

                But aren't fairy tales a part of folklore?

                Quote: Tusv
                Ukraine is strong, but not free.

                So you are mistaken, as Ukrainians, about the fact that somewhere there is freedom or independence. You go there too.

                Quote: Tusv
                Alas for you they came true.

                And yet you are mistaken about what you attribute to me.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv April 23 2016 12: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Genrye
                  So you are mistaken, as Ukrainians, about the fact that somewhere there is freedom or independence. You go there too.

                  It is written in our constitution. We are building a legal state with a social focus. And the fact that you have, we went 20 years ago. The same mess and hyperinflation. It wasn’t fun. So believe in the new fairytale Back in Rassia. Well, at least we don’t have tax on sick leave
                  1. Genry
                    Genry April 23 2016 13: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Tusv
                    And the fact that you have, we went 20 years ago. The same mess and hyperinflation.

                    We went through this process synchronously. Then Ukraine jumped ahead and got a couple of Maidans, the last with an armed coup. In Russia there was "Swamp" and for the future, they are preparing a similar coup.
                    Quote: Tusv
                    So believe in the new fairy tale Back in Rassia.

                    I would be glad to believe that only you do not understand what is happening and aggravate the situation with your liability to us and to yourself. Well, at least the president created the National Guard and takes many other measures to strengthen state power. Stand Russia and will not be a fairy tale !!!
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv April 23 2016 18: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Genry
                      Then Ukraine abruptly rushed forward

                      Where? When?
                      Crimea came to us with an average salary of 3000 of our re, and we immediately issued a Russian pension to the top ten. And in your state taxes are better than ours. What is it like? At a minimum, Ukrainian pensioners should receive a pension in the region of 15 re.
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            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas April 23 2016 15: 26
              +1
              Quote: Genry
              Now things are going to the collapse of Russia.

              Did you get it on TV?
          2. Genry
            Genry April 23 2016 10: 37
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            With a headache problem?

            You didn’t want to think about it and immediately be rude.

            Bandera tales and songs of this kind destroyed the ideological harmony of the state.
            Under Khrushchev, the level of lies was, as in the current Poroshenko. People saw this, plus fairy tales and romantic songs - this is the beginning of unhappy fermentation. Oil on the bends, slowly added and the collapse of the USSR turned out.
            Now things are going to the collapse of Russia.

            And the fact that today's Ukraine is the result of the removal of Russia itself - the author of the article is absolutely right. A holy place does not happen empty - where Russia leaves, its enemies come there.
            America outside Ukraine promoted its people to the authorities, where by bribery, compromising evidence, and where by killing competitors. As a result, Yanukovych was surrounded by enemies from all sides.
            Now this is happening in Russia.

            You (I, a Kievite) already have an ideologically unifying center for counteracting the American occupation - the NCD is called. But you, fashionably so, prefer to consider E. Fedorov an upstart and dumbass. It may be hard to perceive yourself as slaves, but you are already in slavery and it is time to end this.
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            2. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 April 23 2016 11: 07
              0
              For Genry
              It may be hard to perceive yourself as slaves, but you are already in slavery

              Only a really "ardent Kievite" could say that. We hear this from your political scientists almost every day on Russian channels where they do not crawl out. If we are in slavery, then where (in what) are you?
              1. Genry
                Genry April 23 2016 11: 11
                0
                Quote: rotmistr60
                If we are in slavery, then where (in what) are you?

                What a near question?
                Don't you know the word "RESERVATION"?
                1. rotmistr60
                  rotmistr60 April 23 2016 11: 49
                  +1
                  "RESERVATION".

                  What can I say - self-critical. Then I did not understand, what are you talking about some kind of "our (Russian) slavery"?
                  1. Genry
                    Genry April 23 2016 13: 28
                    -1
                    Quote: rotmistr60
                    What can I say - self-critical. Then I did not understand, what are you talking about some kind of "our (Russian) slavery"?

                    The priority of foreign laws over Russian; submission to the central bank of the Fed; the industry is almost completely offshore, where taxes and profits go, capital is controlled by foreign banks ...
              2. Genry
                Genry April 23 2016 11: 26
                -2
                Quote: rotmistr60
                Only a really "ardent Kievite" could say that.

                By the way, the pattern in your head is faster than thought.
                Think and ....
            3. Genry
              Genry April 23 2016 11: 09
              0
              A couple of anti-NOD activists have already been noted. Which should have been proved.
            4. Haloperidol
              Haloperidol April 23 2016 11: 24
              +7
              1) To begin with, it was Ukraine that separated from Russia, and not Russia from Ukraine, and it was in Ukraine in the 90s that the Nazis seized power, raising the Bandera Galician flag in Ukraine. 2) This Russia placed orders at Ukrainian factories, to the detriment of for a long time at purely symbolic prices, but they didn’t appreciate it in Ukraine, moreover, Ukraine took part in an undeclared war against Russia, on the side of Dudaev and Saakashvili .. Tell Ukraine nothing to do with it, it’s like a bunch of volunteers ... No, not a bunch of Ukraine, either ... The Russian prosecutor’s office repeatedly demanded that Ukraine extradite the militants who fought against Russia in the Caucasus, but Ukraine regularly refused, including the Yanukovych’s government ... So something like that. ..And you won’t be forcibly sweet ... 3) Moreover, after the events in: Chechnya, Ossetia, Odessa and the Donbas, hatred towards Ukraine and Ukraine is growing in Russia and these people can be understood because they have lost relatives and friends and wine for this in Ukraine and Ukrainians. ..4) I'm not talking about the fact that many of those who participated in anti-Russian rallies today, with a brazen face, go to work in Russia without even thinking about whether they want to see scumbags with Russophobia in Russia. ..So you don’t blame Russia for everything ...
          3. Lelek
            Lelek April 23 2016 12: 06
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            With a headache problem?


            Hi Sanya.
            Not with the head, but with the head and neck joint. But I’m not talking about that. Want to smile? The other day, I got a note and a video from Germany, where Pedro Waltzman and his half were at an official reception. During the reception, Waltzmansha loudly spoiled the air, which brought shocking the very tolerant Teutons. I bring a picture from the video.
          4. Stanislas
            Stanislas April 23 2016 15: 24
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            With a headache problem?
            You only behave correctly with the Israelis?
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib April 23 2016 05: 40
    +18
    There is a spark of common sense in the article.
    I am writing to you, Roman Skomorokhov. It's time to understand - we are wandering in the dark in a huge room with a flashlight. The flashlight is our consciousness. With our consciousness we grab fragments of the surrounding reality. We are frightened by the shadows of a distant and unclear perspective in the far corner of our room. We reject the unclear and incomprehensible. Or we are afraid of this ambiguity. Or worse, we react aggressively. It's time to get to the switch and light the chandelier. Only in order to understand: the root of the problems of human society is in politics and those who carry it out. Have you ever wondered what is the point of having hundreds of people in nice suits? Yesterday a woman politician said that a "Ministry of Happiness" should be created, today a man politician says that everything that gets out of the canvas convenient for the state should be equated with extremism. And all this is done only so that the "flashlight" shines in the right direction.
    They will not solve existing problems. It’s easier for them to create new ones in the form of tax increases, for example.
    And so not only in Russia and or in Ukraine. So everywhere.
    Conclusion The main separatists who crush humanity wear expensive clothes and feed on taxpayers.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 23 2016 06: 01
      -6
      Dear you are not a descendant of Freud’s grandfather by chance wink , flashlight consciousness lol ?
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 23 2016 07: 28
        +2
        Quote: igorka357
        Freud’s grandfather by chance, flashlight-consciousness

        grandfathers of Plato.
    2. Knowing
      Knowing April 23 2016 08: 09
      +5
      Quote: MuadDib
      we wander in the dark in a huge room with a flashlight.

      Quote: MuadDib
      Conclusion The main separatists who crush humanity wear expensive clothes and feed on taxpayers

      And CHO, you propose, ... it is you and it is chago, .. more specifically, without "flashlights". And ...
      People in ancient times did not like to talk a lot. They considered it a shame for themselves not to keep up with their own words.
  • aba
    aba April 23 2016 05: 41
    +10
    Only in Russia Putin suddenly emerged, who turned everything upside down, and turned it over seemingly successfully. And then dissatisfied kagal.

    Successfully successful, but only once you remembered the center of Yeltsin, then I dare to remind you that Vladimir Putin took part in the official opening ceremony of the center.
    1. MuadDib
      MuadDib April 23 2016 05: 49
      +4
      Not everyone understands that power is one. Some tend to justify the actions of their idols and ascribe to them what they do not possess at all.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 April 23 2016 08: 58
      +1
      Quote: aba
      that Vladimir Putin took part in the official opening ceremony of the center.

      But I am impressed that dancing on the bones of the predecessor is not Putin’s style.
      And according to the article: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side."
    3. Genry
      Genry April 23 2016 13: 48
      0
      Quote: aba
      Vladimir Putin attended the official opening ceremony of the center.

      Putin is an official and must follow the protocol as he is the "guarantor of legality." Politics is such a policy. Well, he cannot, as happens with lawyers, put a blank sheet of paper in an envelope and send it by mail, because he is obliged to send something on time and to a specific addressee.
  • Knowing
    Knowing April 23 2016 06: 04
    +15
    Chot somehow lost the thread of meaning ... "... from the letter of Francis Bacon to his King James I dated February 15, 1615 ..." with numerous historical "transitions" to our days ... recourse request Looks are not given, however. Although ... they say that istria is a kind of spiral ...:
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 23 2016 07: 00
      +2
      smile
      Funny and sure ... laughed. good
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  • poma
    poma April 23 2016 06: 13
    +6
    Minus from me. I smeared the correct thought with insults on a plate ... but there is almost no traceable objective analysis or solution options.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 23 2016 06: 14
    +13
    Hmm ... Fools called. He promised to prove something ... Where?
    Is this something?
    “Have they forgotten about Zaporozhye too? But I remember how several dozen Russian Ukrainians stood against three hundred Maydauns. And they didn’t kneel as demanded of them. And they refused to go through the corridor of shame, despite possible beatings and even death. But it was shown on the channels ... "
    Zaporozhtsev means a few dozen ..? What all? A Nazi Maydaunov already three hundred? Who are they? They flew from Mars, or what?
    No, well, you want to be Russian, be it. But, first of all, they are all "stupid" ... Is it worth it?
    And one more moment confuses me, all Russians, all divided, brotherly people, well. And what are we going to do with the thousands of dead and tortured in the Donbass, we write off?
    What is this anyway? There are no fascists, no Bandera supporters, no bandits, only divided, yearning "brothers", and someone is killing, torturing, robbing, thousands of people ... Who does this?
    "I live in the occupied territory ..." Who occupied it? Germans? Turks? British? Who!
    In general: What was that?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 23 2016 07: 26
      +5
      Quote: Observer 33
      Zaporozhtsev means a few dozen ..? What all? A Nazi Maydaunov already three hundred? Who are they? They flew from Mars, or what?

      Yes, Roman was a little mistaken here. There were more Zaporozhtsevs, about 200, but the opposing ones - yes, not from Mars, but local + brought the Right Sector. (Several hundred)
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 23 2016 08: 07
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        , and local + brought the right sector. (Several hundred)

        Len, and where did they bring ???? where have you brought up ?????????? they have become sadists from the cradle ????
        1. Genry
          Genry April 23 2016 11: 44
          +4
          Quote: Lukich
          and where did they bring ???? where did you bring up ?????????? they have become sadists from the cradle ????

          You naively believe that the Maidan is some kind of elemental force, self-generated in this territory.
          There are professional fighters, albeit armed with batons, but well trained in power operations. There were local pupils and were imported from other countries. Professional riot instructors, many football fans who were organized and invisible to themselves, were trained for synchronized interaction (the army is resting) and blindly following their group.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek April 23 2016 12: 29
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Yes, Roman was a little mistaken here.


        Hey. You are right and ...
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte April 23 2016 06: 17
    +7
    The author is right! We do not give an account of our actions, we complain and show off our "knowledge" of everything and everyone, but we realize it too late. This is how an ordinary man in the street works!
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  • sa-ag
    sa-ag April 23 2016 06: 39
    +8
    "... Where were you during the Yeltsin coup in 1993? Where were you and how did you fight against outright lawlessness after the coup? Where, at what rallies did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical monster? Well.
    "

    Internet at 1993? Oh well:-)
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 23 2016 09: 05
      +5
      Quote: sa-ag
      "... Where were you during the Yeltsin coup in 1993? Where were you and how did you fight against outright lawlessness after the coup? Where, at what rallies did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical monster? Well.
      "

      Internet at 1993? Oh well:-)

      Key phrase:
      Quote: sa-ag
      Where, at which rallies did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical freak?
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 23 2016 11: 25
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Key phrase:
        Quote: sa-ag
        Where, at which rallies did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical freak?

        It so happened that both the 1991 and 1993 coups I was just on shift at the radio relay station and the whole thing, in the first case, "Swan Lake" and everything else I watched live
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 23 2016 12: 46
          +2
          Quote: sa-ag
          Quote: Mordvin 3 Key phrase: Quote: sa-ag Where at which rallies did you protest against perpetuating the memory of our historical freak?

          Here, it seems to me, we are talking about the opening of the Yeltsin Center.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 April 23 2016 06: 48
    +7
    The author asks "But forgive me, let me find out, where were you? Why didn't you rise when you ruined the country?" And so on. Thanks to the excellent Western propaganda, the people believed that everything was better in the West and wanted to live the same way, then as traitors by embezzlers, people recruited by Western intelligence services in the leadership of the USSR and special services who appeared under the deranged Brezhnev, or rather, at the end of his reign, he was a shortage of food was created to turn the people against the regime and accelerate the collapse of the country. And when Gorbachev's puppet was brought to power, the process of collapse accelerated. I just wonder why the army did not stand up to defend its country, which the soldiers and the staff took the oath, where there were special services workers, intelligence, they were all mentally retarded and did not see what was happening? When the Chechen war was shameful under Yeltsin, new planes, missile systems were sent to the dump, violating the state's defenses, when a whole system was built in the country (starting with vouchers and ending with various pyramids like MMM ) on taking money from citizens, when on TV they poured mud and lies on everything In Soviet history, where our valiant special services were, where there was an army that defeated fascism, it was the army and special services created to protect the state that sold and betrayed the country, and one should not blame the people who, for the most part, did not really understand what was happening wink
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 23 2016 07: 03
    +7
    Roma, you yourself are a fool and a boor, since you turn to strangers, many of whom are much older than you.
    And how do you know the wretched who and where he was and what he thinks about it.
    I could tell you a lot about how people, including friends and relatives, related to the events of the early 90s, but I won’t. You have the Oracle.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 23 2016 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Roma, you yourself are a fool and a boor, since you turn to strangers like that

      be careful, colleague: what is due to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull. Guru Skomorokhov was given the right to insult virtual opponents and rub their comments.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 23 2016 15: 51
        0
        And who appointed him to Jupiter? After all, we have democracy, all are equal.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 23 2016 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          And who appointed him to Jupiter? After all, we have democracy, all are equal.

          what, nafig, democracy? laughing
          Quote: Pinky F.
          given themselves the right
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 23 2016 07: 05
    +11
    Novel! Thanks! In fact - it is true, although it is clear that it has already "boiled". I just want to clarify:
    there are Russians living in Ukraine - Ukrainians,

    there are Russians, there are Little Russians / Ukrainians and there are Bandera, all other nationalities are joining these groups, and these are all citizens of Ukraine. Now further for everyone who shouts "40 million people." And nothing, that 25 million old people and small children? And not everyone can take up arms, which simply do not exist. Further - the village - a street of 60 houses, and on the whole street - 4 men, the rest of the "women" are 70 years old. And such a granny receives a pension of 1300, (or even less) and a receipt for 1800 comes for gas, and in order to survive, this "woman" either needs help from working children, or struggles with the farm in order to sell something and survive. She immediately ran to the rally! You say "let the men leave everything and go ahead", yeah, but who will work at the nuclear power plant? And to plow, so that at least some bread was? Ah ... yes, a lot. Yes, Bandera keep the country in fear, they are only 15-20%. but they are quickly transferred by the authorities to those cities where at least some resistance begins. In the same Zaporozhye, Odessa, Kharkov they drove and are driving buses, trains with "faithful people". Someday the truth will be revealed how many people from different cities and villages of Ukraine went to Donbass, well, not only the miners are standing there. They often laugh at VO what kind of equipment is being produced today at factories in Ukraine. Or maybe people do it on purpose so that it doesn't crawl into the ATO? Sabotage and sabotage has not yet been canceled. Or do you want to be told like this "Kiev underground workers invite you to a rally"? I can’t say that everyone is eager to fight, but not everyone is sitting with their hands folded.
  • McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod April 23 2016 07: 07
    +8
    Where were you during the Yeltsin coup in 1993?

    The author probably does not know how many corpses were taken out of Moscow after the uprising was suppressed. The authorities do not specifically declassify Old Family information under the contract.
    P.S. Even in the film "Brigade" this was demonstrated.
  • OlegV
    OlegV April 23 2016 07: 12
    0
    People remain people during the occupation. Fact. And there are many such people. Who did not give up and continues his small but war. There are even more of them than those who took up arms and ended up in the Donbass.
  • Camel
    Camel April 23 2016 07: 14
    +10
    Where were you during the Yeltsin coup in 1993?
    Well, I was at school, I saw everything on TV, so what? Should children be held accountable for the sins of their fathers? And then the fathers were not concerned with preserving the parliament, but with what to feed the family! What was happening in Moscow, and I remember this, was of little interest to anyone. Most were interested in what to eat tomorrow.
    In general, I remember the 90s as a nightmare - it's good that I woke up!
  • Private27
    Private27 April 23 2016 07: 16
    0
    Whose yourself are you waking Roman Skomorokhov? An article is a minus.
  • demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig April 23 2016 07: 16
    +3
    And Roma, in many ways, is right! Until we are rolled out, we’ll do what the hell. As Ilyusha of Murom, we’ll be sitting on the stove for 33 years! And only the Tbilisi Givi and their ilk are moving!
  • Million
    Million April 23 2016 07: 19
    +6
    The author apparently wants us to take kitchen knives, guns, if any, hammers, axes, etc., got on the train and started to hobble everyone on uniform at Ukrainian customs, or they went to besiege local military registration and enlistment offices for volunteers to sign up for the Ukrainian war. without saying a word, on a personal initiative ....

    Or was it an appeal to the Russian authorities?
  • Valem
    Valem April 23 2016 07: 20
    +5
    The occupation is creeping .... First, some of the "khataskraischiks" are carefully washed by "opinions" about the inferiority of the majority distant from them and, at the same time, about their "exclusivity and culture". At the same time, everything possible is being done to "legitimize" the preferential financing, to redeem "God-chosen" exclusivity. Nothing passes without a trace: every action gives rise to opposition, and every carelessness gives rise to mutants of the unknown. This is power. She abhors a vacuum of influence. Wherever our "cooks" go headlong into kitchen problems, the weeds of domineering "exclusivity" flourish. We fought against the rudeness of Bolshevism, but did not notice the rudeness of the "peacekeepers" who provided our reality with spreading cranberries. But these are the laws of development for those who have the desire to ride in the "privatized" sleigh. And who is the "power" today? We have to admit that "Empires" do not die with the collapse of the feudal formation - they are like mold on the vegetation that is still musty. Today it is more relevant to think about whether the creeping "exclusiveness" of the Saxon empire has gone where? And what are these relapses of "Democracy of Money"? The leprechaun creeps into our souls, and you care about the bezotless Russianness ...
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius April 23 2016 07: 47
      +2
      Prokhanov is it you? Too many metaphors ... I didn’t understand a word, but it’s a pity, I see something sensible trying to convey.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 23 2016 11: 39
        0
        Quote: Dimontius
        Too many metaphors ... did not understand a word,

        In my opinion, the idea is quite clear.
  • Nymp
    Nymp April 23 2016 07: 48
    +7
    Roman Skomorokhov is either a man lagging behind the times, living in the last century, or a Martian! How can you not see the obvious? Yes, he is right: we Russians have been divided! And by the way, very successfully, the older generation - raised in the USSR did not really succumb to this division (although I know many there older than me (for 47 years) with Bandera convictions), but those who divided the older generation do not need it! How long are they left to live here? The stake was made on the youth! And very successfully, so that Roman is such a people "xoxly"! Yes, grown artificially, but that is why they are no longer Russian, the mantle and national values ​​are different! And only a fool as you say Roman, or a Martian, can not see this. After all, even American political analysts admit that the "Ukraine" project was a success. After all, they not only mean the Maidan, they know very well that the generation of diapers in dill will never become Russian, for 25 years of independence the very same kakly have grown, whose existence you deny in your article. You ask us where we were at the division of this people? Fair enough! But I personally, at least on my fingers, but I can count those in whose heads (I mean young dill) I sowed a grain of doubt about the propaganda of Russophobia in Ukraine, and one was definitely brought up as an anti-Bandera, despite the fact that at school he was told and given marks for the opposite. Are you Roman? What have you done during these 25 years of so-called independence? Have you tried to explain to any of them that the entire propaganda machine of the West grows out of him an ardent nationalist?
  • Mixweb
    Mixweb April 23 2016 08: 00
    +1
    Congratulations! You also came under the influence of well-trained Western crowd management experts. Divided? Divided. And at several parts of different convictions. So much so that different beliefs are not a reason for philosophical conversation, but rather, grasping at the breast with foaming at the mouth and subsequent scuffle. Or, alternatively, on our website - to well-veiled insults, for the moderators are animals.


    The author also had a hand in the division. And several camps formed with different opinions. I will keep mine with myself, because I am sure that everyone does not care about someone else's. Well, time will tell who was right and who was not.
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 23 2016 08: 00
    -3
    The novel wrote the truth.
    1) Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are one people. The people by the will of irresponsible (at best) politicians turned out to be divided. We are citizens of different countries of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. But we are connected by a common history, intertwined in all generations over the centuries through family ties.
    2) The state of affairs in Ukraine - there is a destruction of the population. This was conceived by the organizers of the coup. Remember the recording of Tymoshenko's conversation "they are outcasts" "they must be destroyed with an atomic weapon."
    People are simply disposed of there. The whole world supports the destruction of the country's population, declaring it a victory of democracy. This is also true.
    3) The accusation of Ukrainians in supporting the ruling regime is brainwashing. In reality, the country's population turned out to be defenseless against an organized coup, behind which there are U.S. special services, who use all the information of the SBU, trained fascist militants, militia called to help and protect extremists from the anger of the population and government officials who legitimize all crimes against the country's people. Against such a totalitarian organization, the population is powerless. And a comparison with the Nord-Ost is absolutely justified.
    4) The media is being processed in the right direction: the killers are fascist heroes, the population are terrorists.
    5) The Russian authorities understand that a lot of people know about what is happening in Ukraine. Brain processing is milder.
    In 2014, they showed Donbass, now not. It seems that everything is quiet, we send convoys, help. To reassure the public, there is an explanation - we took Crimea because they favored reunification with Russia, and the rest did not want to.
    6) Roman is right when he says that the regions opposed the junta, they simply betrayed and destroyed people. These facts are hushed up by everyone. The hardest thing is that this position is taken by the Russian media.
    In vain the West squeaks about Russian propaganda — no one is telling the truth about the crimes of the ruling regime in Ukraine.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 23 2016 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: olimpiada15
      1) Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are one people.

      Bandera is not related to me!
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Remember the recording of Tymoshenko's conversation "they are outcasts" "they must be destroyed with an atomic weapon."

      Actually, she said this about us, about Russia.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      3) The accusation of Ukrainians in supporting the ruling regime is brainwashing.

      Put on the St. George ribbon and walk through the center of Kiev.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      4) The media is being processed in the right direction: the killers are fascist heroes, the population are terrorists

      True, while Poroshenko did not study at a Soviet school, maybe Yatsenyuk does not know who Bandera was. They didn’t become like that, they were always like that! Just now they removed their masks.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      To reassure the public, there is an explanation - we took Crimea because they favored reunification with Russia, and the rest did not want to.

      There were a lot of them in Kharkov in the squares, and now they are stamping tanks for soldiers in the Donbass.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      people were simply betrayed and destroyed.

      I’m already sick of constantly reading, Russia leaked, Russia betrayed, Russia leaked, Russia betrayed. We did not betray anyone! And I saw in the reports, when the warrior in the Donbass began, the fattened faces of healthy men who rushed to Russia from the soldiers. And I saw our soldiers and volunteers who gave their lives while the refugees were healthy men who rushed to Russia complaining about how hard it was for them.
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia April 23 2016 09: 36
        +1
        Alexander Romanov, can you personally state your main thoughts thesis?
        You duplicate the authors of the comments, it seems that your thoughts and position are not there.
        Write a normal post on your behalf.
        Who is Roman Skomorokhov and his personal contribution to the cause of assistance in the Donbass I know.
        And here is what you personally did in the period 2014-2016. (except posts on VO) is unknown.
        No offense, nothing personal))
      2. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 April 23 2016 09: 51
        +5
        The phrase people "just betrayed and destroyed" refers to the citizens of Ukraine.
        One traitor per thousand patriots is enough, and the protests against the junta were very massive.
        There in Ukraine, 20 million are no less than our Russian people, these are the descendants of those who fought, who built the Dnieper hydroelectric station and other enterprises that worked at leading enterprises in the defense industry. They were not reformatted, they remained the same.
        Yes, there are descendants of Bandera. This page, erased from the history of the USSR. Nobody ever spoke about the atrocities of these nonhumans that they committed even in the postwar years.
        They are enough to break any resistance.
        Nowhere, in any country are people capable of speaking out as one. There will certainly be traitors who surrender the leaders. There are sure to be long languages ​​with short brains that will provide the necessary information and do so from a misunderstanding.
        We cannot help Ukraine.
        But we have no moral right to accuse those living in Ukraine of fully supporting the ruling bandit regime. Because we are dealing with a coup organized by the US intelligence services, a thoroughly and long-term coup with the use of scumbags of all stripes, from the descendants of Bandera to criminals released from prisons specially trained in the camps of radical scumbags. They are supported by residents of depressed regions who decided to become rich and get slaves for their use. An information field has been created on the Internet, where they write what is beneficial. Let's remember Grachev, an NTV presenter, who forgot to erase his notes on social networks in time. Let us recall the performance of a Kharkiv woman who attended a rally. The son of her friend was on the "train of friendship", and his mother said, let him go, get money and get a drift. A generation of young people has grown up who agree to do anything for money.
        These are also teeming with Russia. When I see in our porch the next batch of young people who came to deceive tenants, to slander, to force to pay, they don’t even realize that they are engaged in fraud.
        You just have to face the truth. You can not blame the whole people for the crimes of the authorities and special services, especially foreign, especially American.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 23 2016 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: olimpiada15
          You can not blame the whole people for the crimes of the authorities and special services

          Well, yes, of course - while a handful of conspirators led by the crusaders arranged a coup d'etat, the people, innocence itself, led round-trips of fraternal friendship, and suddenly, not ceasing to dance hopak, he discovered that he had been fooled by the infamous treacherous coupists. This, of course, they and no one else imposed on him the image of the enemy, forcibly changed into an embroidered shirt and forced the Russophobic mantras to mumble in chorus. If your revolutionary theory is correct, then such a people is either dense stupid or fantastically cunning.
          Quote: olimpiada15
          We cannot help Ukraine.

          naturally. How, interestingly, can you help those who are absolutely and sincerely sure that we owe them that we are the culprits of all their troubles?
          1. Genry
            Genry April 23 2016 14: 13
            +1
            Quote: Pinky F.
            yes, of course - while a handful of conspirators led by guardsmen arranged a coup d'etat, the people, innocence itself, led round-trips of fraternal friendship, and suddenly, not ceasing to dance hopak, he discovered that he was fooled by the infamous treacherous coup.

            Political scientists know that only 10% of the actively supporting population is enough to "make a revolution". And the stock market players know what a "pump" and "dump" are, in which, having a relatively small amount, you can put the stock exchange cancer.
            It's all about concentration of directional action, as a small ATGM destroys a very large tank.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 23 2016 14: 41
              +1
              Quote: Genry
              Political scientists know that only 10% of the actively supporting population is enough to "make a revolution".

              political strategists argue that even a smaller percentage is needed active minorities. But with the success of the CR, a priori it is believed that passive most delegated their rights to the insurgents, which makes them allies and accomplices.
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              2. Weyland
                Weyland April 23 2016 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: Pinky F.
                the passive majority delegated their rights to the insurgents, which makes them allies and accomplices.


                This is true - and then you don’t complain if you were passive!

                If you are a fascist with a gun
                You do not want to give up forever
                The house where you lived, your wife and mother,
                All that we call home, -
                Know: no one will save her,
                If you do not save her;
                Know: no one will kill him,
                If you do not kill him.
                And while he did not kill him,
                You keep silent about your love,
                The land where you grew up, and the house where you lived,
                Do not call your homeland.
                Let your brother kill the fascist,
                Let the neighbor kill the fascist, -
                It's your brother and neighbor who take revenge,
                And you do not have excuses.
                Behind someone else's back they do not sit,
                They do not take revenge on someone else's rifle.
                Since your brother killed the fascist, -
                It's him, not you soldier.
                (K. Simonov "Kill him!")
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 23 2016 08: 45
      0
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are one people.

      and what is this people called? "Russians"? Just do not boom about "common roots" and historical retrospectives, prodobnvkh author. Sub-ethnoses have existed for a long time, and this cannot be ignored. And attempts by boorish imperatives to convince the xoxles that "we are all one people" are ridiculous and funny.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      2) The situation in Ukraine - there is the destruction of the population.

      There is a military conflict of low intensity. Population in road accident
      Quote: olimpiada15
      disposed of
      much on a large scale.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Accusing Ukrainians of supporting the ruling regime is brainwashing ... Against such a totalitarian organization, the population is powerless.

      And, that is, it explains why "the people are silent"? Very comfortably. Like, the passionarity and civic position of the people is present, but suppressed by a totalitarian sect with preachers from the State Department. Are the people ready to make a reverse coup? And how? Again, at first, housewives and intel with pans on their heads, then a gopota enters, who, unlike the last Maidan, has completed the course of a young soldier and is well armed?
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 April 23 2016 11: 39
        0
        Yes, there will be no revolution in Ukraine. The people will die out.
        This will be the territory under US control, where military bases will be deployed.
        And then there will be no Russia. Today, they destroy the Russians in Ukraine, and you agree that this is correct. Then they will destroy Russia and the whole world will rejoice, everyone will believe that this is also correct. Russians are the wrong people, our Western partners and friends have been trying to destroy us for centuries, so help them - they are exceptional, tolerant.
        I never agree with your point of view.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 23 2016 12: 02
          0
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Today, they destroy the Russians in Ukraine, and you agree that this is correct.

          You should not misinterpret my words, dear. This is where I approved of "extermination of the Russians", huh? Follow what you write.
        2. Stena
          Stena April 23 2016 13: 02
          0
          Quote: olimpiada15
          And then there will be no Russia. Today, they destroy the Russians in Ukraine, and you agree that this is correct. Then they will destroy Russia and the whole world will rejoice, everyone will believe that this is also correct. Russians are the wrong people, our Western partners and friends have been trying to destroy us for centuries, so help them - they are exceptional, tolerant.

          That logic is not at all obvious! Of course, when it’s possible, it won’t happen (when the globe is completely cleared of people - then probably - yes, if it happens, of course). Russia was buried only in the 20th century several times - the First World War, the Civil War, the Second World War, the Cold War, the 90s, the current situation. And nothing - we still live. How can you argue your horror stories?
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 April 23 2016 08: 01
    0
    Dear Roman, he expressed his point of view on the events, but for some reason he didn’t ask questions, not only to ordinary people (by the way, did you forget how many ordinary people collected help for the republics when the Kremlin was developing a cunning plan), I allow myself to disagree with Roman who shoots? Yes, the same resident of Kherson is a resident of Donetsk, who serves in the SBU, who obeys orders, but call them at least Russian, at least something like that. But the situation in Ukraine, with brainwashing both in Ukraine and Russia, led to what we have, it’s even worse that people in Russia are divided according to different principles and this separation is even stronger than in Ukraine, here I agree with Roman 100%. Enlightenment has come and this is only the beginning, people begin to think with their brains and not a zombie box, it pleases, thanks Roman for the article
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 23 2016 13: 17
      +1
      No need to sculpt excuses about brainwashing !!!
      Ukrainians in Russia, Ukrainians in Europe, Ukrainians in America and Canada, perhaps with brainwashed? No one turned off their TV or the Internet, nothing. But they are the same Bandera people as those who live on Ukarin. Came to Canada in kindergarten to threaten Russian children!
      NO BRAIN RINSING! This is genetic!
      And there are no brothers and one people !!! Crest is an alien tribe. No rescue! Only a kettlebell for a drowning man as a gift.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 23 2016 08: 09
    +7
    By the way, yesterday Poroshenko spoke in Zaporozhye ....
    the Ukrainian president was marked by a patriotic call to burn separatism with a hot iron, and, in particular, in Zaporozhye, the region of which, Poroshenko reminded, was front-line.
    Petro Poroshenko substantiated the need to resort to medieval reprisals by the fact that "enemy reconnaissance and sabotage groups are active in Zaporozhye."
    He made the corresponding statement during his speech to the administrative and economic asset and the deputy corps of the Zaporizhzhya region, Ukrainian media reported.
    The leader of Ukraine said that over 300 DRGs were suppressed in Ukraine over the past year. The President of Ukraine also has the most reliable information that "89% of these groups were trained in the appropriate training camps and used non-improvised explosive devices."
    Poroshenko noted that the enemy continues to send DRG to Ukraine, and, in particular, to the Zaporizhzhya region.
    "Zaporozhye is a front-line region. Here, in the future, together with the Security Service of Ukraine and law enforcement agencies, with a red-hot iron, we should burn out any manifestations of separatism, any attempts to destabilize the situation in the region," the president stressed.

    You will laugh about the Russian DRGs, but what was delayed - for sure. SO WHOM? this is the answer to those who say “why don’t you resist? And why is Petya so concerned about Zaporozhye.
    "For six waves of mobilization, 10 thousand residents of the Zaporozhye region went to defend their homeland. 1,7 thousand of them are volunteers," he proudly added.

    Well, as recruits are "called up" I wrote earlier, but now compare the numbers of "called up" and volunteers. This is the true ratio of conscious and "separatists"
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda April 23 2016 08: 20
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Ah ROMAN ... ROMAN .... are you still young ... if you think about people like that

    If I'm not mistaken, Roman is now about 43 years old. Not so young, given the assistance he rendered to the LPR-DPR. Not everyone is ready to make such a decision, and spend time and money on it. So something about people. He still knows ..
    So do not scold too much Roman, it simply boiled up.
  • user3970
    user3970 April 23 2016 08: 22
    +2
    Forgive me, I want to ask, but who has been fighting all this time in the Donbass in the ATO and the Territorial Battalions for wages? Is it really only Maydanutye and Bandera? Why are there so many "suddenly" drawn. ? And from history ... World War II ... Mass executions of civilians by the Germans, including Jews ... So. Children were saved from executions in all occupied countries. Except for one. Ukraine. Babi Yar. Remember? When they tried to save the children escorted along Khreshchatyk, the Kievites pushed them back. And who shot? And whose policemen massively surprised even seasoned SS with their cruelty. For me, personally, That a person who calls himself a Ukrainian, that a Kosovar is one field of berries. Scum and scum. Sorry for being blunt.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 23 2016 08: 40
      +8
      Quote: user3970
      That person, calling himself a Ukrainian, that a Kosovar is a single field of berries. Scum and Thing. Sorry for being blunt.

      Sidor Kovpak was also Ukrainian, like many in his squad. They are also scum?
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 23 2016 18: 08
      +1
      Quote: user3970
      And who shot?


      Specifically, in Babi Yar there were 1800 - 300 Germans and 1500 Svidomo executioners
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  • Lens
    Lens April 23 2016 08: 26
    +6
    I'm already over the forties. This is what I’ve got into my head and friends — relatives all over Ukraine will have more than a hundred. (but not only in Ukraine). Article minus. As correctly noted, it is floridly launched and spread. But it didn’t distort me anymore. Trivia, nuances ... Here it is as a fact gives out info. about crematoriums in Mariupol. And Ukrainian channels a year ago announced the same devices in the Rostov region. Who to believe? The one who saw them. I do not know such. Manipulating numbers ... Also sucked. Easy so ... plus minus a hundred and a thousand.
    He loudly declares that he was lucky - HE KNOWS HOW MUCH IN RUSSIAN UKRAINE! The State Statistics Committee is direct ... Yes, no matter who they were in the passport and history. The main thing is in the head! I could argue with our Internet oracle for a very long time and successfully, but ... I’ll wait and read some new pearls ...
  • DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 23 2016 08: 29
    +6
    “One person threw me a good comparison. Remember, Nord-Ost? There, in the hall, there were several hundred people. And against them there were two dozen terrorists. Armed and willing to kill. Hundreds against dozens. And why there, in the hall. , no one got up? Eh? After all, they were the majority. And not all women, children and old people. "

    That's about it could write only a person who does not understand at all how the operations to release the hostages. I imagine that it would be if the men in the hall rose against militants armed to the teeth.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 23 2016 08: 54
      +4
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      I imagine that it would be if the men in the hall rose against militants armed to the teeth.

      Yes, the author's analogy is generally ridiculous.
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  • Dalmatia
    Dalmatia April 23 2016 08: 55
    -4
    The article was written for the "sofa generals" who, recognizing themselves in it, attacked Roman Skomorokhov.
  • Alpha
    Alpha April 23 2016 09: 14
    +6
    By my occupation, I have to communicate with Ukrainians from west to east (every day). They need our support, they all understand that they have come under occupation because of their credulity.
  • igorra
    igorra April 23 2016 09: 14
    +4
    According to Roman, we must leave everything and go save this time, hohl. They are also Russian and brothers. I want to ask Roman, where are the millions of healthy and young Ukrainian Russians of ours, why do not they defend their homeland, so beloved by them? The Syrians are fighting for the country, and Khokh.ly, as always ... Until their porridge is cooked in pans, there is nothing to do there. Becoming an occupier for 40 million Ukrainians is not an option.
    1. Alpha
      Alpha April 23 2016 09: 21
      +5
      You are wrong, they stopped the tanks with their hands two years ago.
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia April 23 2016 09: 38
        +3
        Indeed, it was.
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 23 2016 12: 20
      +5
      Quote: igorra
      According to Roman, we must leave everything and go save this time, hohl. They are also Russian and brothers. I want to ask Roman, where are the millions of healthy and young Ukrainian Russians of ours, why do not they defend their homeland, so beloved by them? The Syrians are fighting for the country, and Khokh.ly, as always ... Until their porridge is cooked in pans, there is nothing to do there. Becoming an occupier for 40 million Ukrainians is not an option.

      Invalid comparison.
      The Syrians are fighting for the country, because they have President Assad and government troops — this is a unifying force — in Ukraine there is no such force. The mass executions of dozens and hundreds of people and other atrocities are also the basis for rallying the people. In Ukraine, they are caught individually, then people disappear. One by one is easier to destroy. The Syrians also fled a lot from the country.
      If Ukraine had a president, and not rotten potato Yanuk, the putsch would be crushed with little blood. VSU did not want to fight. From juvenile creatures it was enough to pull off the masks and kick. Radikalov had to catch special services. Yanukovych had to resign, temporarily leave Azarov. Conduct elections. An example of this was to achieve a scenario.
      It’s too late to intervene in Ukraine. It remains for us to observe how US military bases will be created there. Russia will not be able to change anything - we ourselves have half the Duma of the same rotten potatoes. When sanctions were imposed after the Crimean events, it was struck that the United States knows the decision-making mechanism to the smallest detail — who has the mandates of the deputies? And the people did not elect them. These State Department ghouls go on party lists. The people vote for some, but others, by no means patriots of the country, receive mandates. And there is nothing for us to condemn Ukraine, we ourselves are the same.
  • demo
    demo April 23 2016 09: 46
    +8
    Cool Roman Skomorokhov crashed everyone.
    And touched the living, and started swara.
    Perhaps he was trying to write this article for this?
    Or maybe I'm wrong.

    Now on the points.
    When the country fell apart and signed the Bialowieza Agreement then:
    1. At that time, the country and its population lived in the firm belief that its executive institutions of power, such as the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, the Courts, and most importantly the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU, were in control and would take the right decision at the right time decision.
    People who either doubted this, or knew for sure that this was not the case, were usually sent to places of prolonged imprisonment (of 10 years or more) or deported from the USSR.
    In the country, the bulk of the population lived under the vigilant control of the Komsomol, the CPSU, the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions and similar organizations that controlled the consciousness and expression of will.
    Just like that, to go out to a protest rally and couldn’t come to anyone’s head.
    Attempts of protest resulted in their brutal suppression.
    Remember Novocherkassk and Krasnodar.
    And we who live here in Russia are well aware of the expression about the Russian rebellion.
    What ends up is known.
    Rational in rebellion is not and cannot be.
    And we can gouge everything in a row.
    Well, we don’t have a culture of expressing our disagreement - a rally from 12 to 14 and at home.
    So the promise of a protest at the time of the destruction of the USSR was initially vicious.
    2. I do not presume to judge why Putin attended the opening of the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg.
    Although the idea that this one is clearly an anti-Russian center is gnawing me, it is open so that all the evil spirits living near us know where to go and where it needs to unite, and we know them by sight. Well, not us, but he.
    Although this may just be my guess. And everything is much worse.
    3. The events that took place in Ukraine, as if in a mirror, reflect everything that is inherent in us - the Russians.
    We are just as inert, just as apolitical, just as indifferent.
    And the fact that a handful of trained villains in Ukraine managed to spoil the whole country - this is not surprising.
    After all, we are faced at the household level with the bandits at home?
    How many are there - 5-10-15 people.
    And that we will not recruit 100-200 people and not break their ridges?
    That too.
    It is not typed and does not break.

    You, Roman, must for certain know one fundamental rule - strength breaks strength.
    A people is not power, until it is soldered by one goal, one will.
    There is none, and the people are a herd. Someone in the forest, some for firewood.
    Take it one at a time.
  • demo
    demo April 23 2016 09: 46
    +7
    And us Russians, what can solder?

    And now the most interesting.
    If we are at home, we can’t find a council for loafers-officials who do not repair roads, do not pay wages, steal billions from the treasury with impunity?
    And seeing such lawlessness and your powerlessness, do you think that our feelings of struggle against evil and injustice in Ukraine will leap up?

    One at a time, each one has such feelings.
    But a systematic approach is required. Organization needed.
    And then oops! - Bastrykin will draw, and drag to where it is not necessary. And extremism is sewn.
    The law that we draw, where they turned, and there it turned out. More precisely - entered!

    That's how simple and easy it is.

    If you want to show your high patriotism - please.
    Within the established.
    By the nature of my activity, I deal with issues of patriotism and patriotic education.

    Read the "Program of patriotic education of citizens of the Russian Federation" for 2016-2020.
    Signed by the main patriot - Medvedev.
    From such an upbringing, the last patriot will become an anti-patriot.
    This is how we live.
    And you to the barricades.
    Yes, and to Ukraine.

    That year, literally in hot pursuit, he sent an appeal to Putin, where he clearly, step by step, outlined the main steps that must be taken so that we can turn the tide in Ukraine in our favor.
    But the moderators of the VO site were afraid to publish this and recommended personally directing the GDP.

    So everyone at one time tried to do a lot. But not only Putin does not want anything. But we ourselves do not need all this.

    With this we live.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 23 2016 12: 48
      +1
      Demo is almost the only balanced comment. From me, respect.
      The overall tone of the comments disappointed. Most have an outburst about Russian intervention. The time to help and without getting stuck is gone and will not return.
      The accusation of a whole nation of stupidity, laziness and adherence to fascism is akin to other theories about the superiority of nations.
      "Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are" - so I want to answer those who claim that their loved ones hate Russians and have become enemies.
      Disappointment.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 23 2016 14: 58
        0
        Quote: olimpiada15
        The time to help and without getting stuck is gone and will not return.

        come on, there was no such time, no such plans. How do you imagine this? You entered a sovereign state, created the appearance of order (in your own view) with fake power institutes and open-door elections and left, leaving those who were tamed to tear to pieces the irreconcilable? Normal American method. What happens as a result is well known.
    2. Genry
      Genry April 23 2016 13: 15
      0
      You're right! For the most part...
      But have you heard of GCD?
      This organization in your style is almost 100%.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 23 2016 09: 47
    +5
    The author of the article is largely right.
    Writing is one thing. To do things is different.
    It is possible to blame the people of Ukraine for their troubles, but this is not a productive position.
    The current government can only be fought with external support.
    Russia does not do this in relation to the people of Ukraine.
    Volunteers cannot solve this problem.
    If our country supported Kharkov and Odessa, then the uprisings would have swept across Ukraine and would have dared the foreign corrupt power of this country ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 23 2016 10: 23
      -2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      then the uprisings would have swept across Ukraine and would have dared the foreign corrupt power of this country ...

      Believe it yourself? Centers of civil confrontation would appear throughout the country. The scale of the massacre would have grown exponentially. An interesting situation: we are crying about "civilian casualties in the Donbass", but we are not averse to expanding the scope of the civil war to the geographical borders of UA. Or do you think that there are units supporting the regime? Maidan gopota has long been organized, trained and armed. So that
      Quote: Pvi1206
      would dare
      - this is nonsense. Your scenario is more like Yugoslavia with the inevitable intervention of a third force.
    2. Bramb
      Bramb April 23 2016 10: 52
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      If our country supported Kharkov and Odessa, then the uprisings would have swept across Ukraine and would have dared the foreign corrupt power of this country ...

      You see how simple it all is !!! )))
      It is this scenario that was worked out by the West. They almost openly say that they wanted to drag Russia into the war. And you would fall for it. Then would be caught. And now we just got caught.
      The author is lying. Actually half of Ukrainians per Maidan. And this wave would collide with such an anti-wave. Rivers of blood would spill. And Russia would become guilty. No matter how you say it.
      The author masterfully interpreted a lot and many more will buy it.
  • Bramb
    Bramb April 23 2016 10: 26
    -1
    The attempt almost failed.
    For the second week I have been seeing articles on the topic of "brother brothers" everywhere, as predicted two years ago.
    The author has no arguments, it puts pressure on emotions - this is a clear sign of the order: "You yourself are not better", "but look at yourself", "not all of them are like that", etc.
    And he is 5% right: in Ukraine, indeed, not all Ukrainians are Russian, and they are all different. And now what? With this, no one argues and did not argue, why should everyone give out as their personal discovery? There is clearly a distortion.
    And then what does he write? "But if only, then ...". There are a dozen of such "if only" Ukrainians in each message!
    Typical and rather good compilation of all the rules of propaganda: 5% of the truth at first, reasoning in general, and then the emotions and the author needed the initial conclusion. In the same way, you can concoct an article exactly the opposite, using only words and phrases of the same author. This is taught in the first year of the institute.

    PS. The fact that the text was written clearly by a professional (NOT by the author: he was recently pierced at the NPP by his absolute incompetence), that articles with the same subject matter are published everywhere and massively everywhere - this indicates the beginning of a new stage in propaganda. They are preparing us. And it will work. Made really good. So, our people are cooking something in Ukraine ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 23 2016 10: 31
    +4
    Good article, Roman, correct.
    I personally did not know about the feat of the inhabitants of the Kherson region.
    And about the feat, just like that, of residents of other regions, too.
    For at that time everything was in the Crimea, all the news was from there.
    About one people ... Already a lot of people talked about
    that in / in Ukraine we are considered enemies. Moreover, they consider enemies
    not you (can you?) or me, but your relatives.
    That is, those who are personally known from all sides.
    And somehow it does not pull me to climb hug "brother" when he stands ready to stab me with a knife.
    We were divided, yes. And what is the most worthless, shared mentally.
    Ukraine has become Europe. It is clear that it was not old Europe, but only a slave thereof.
    But then she did. And the further, the deeper it will "grow" into this Europe.
    And there's nothing to be done about it, without the risk of being accused of trying again
    to steal the European dream from the country.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 23 2016 10: 39
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Good article, Roman, correct.
      I personally did not know about the feat of the inhabitants of the Kherson region.

      Custom is an article.
      And the right thing in it is not enough, but there is a lot of distortion and lies. Crest - NOT Russian and never was. We recall Shevchenko right away. Here the author is clearly lying.
      And the feats are described classically: one gets the feeling that they, feats, were. But there are no facts, nothing in reality. "Do you remember?" "And where did you go?" etc. Classic turns of change of opinion in the right direction. Didn't say anything at all, but the reader got the opinion the author needed. But there are no facts !!!
      Ordering. But well done.
  • isker
    isker April 23 2016 10: 51
    -1
    Quote: Zomanus

    .. And somehow it does not pull me to climb and hug "brother" when he stands ready to stab me with a knife.
    We were divided, yes. And what is the most worthless, shared mentally.


    "Nonsense!" (from)

    Nobody shared us! The farm mentality of Ukrainians - was, is and will be! It’s just that no one attached importance to this, for some reason ... For me, it was the first bell when it first imposed a restriction on the composition of the Black Sea Fleet! It was then that it was necessary to thin out the densely-guided layers of the administrative apparatus with a sickle!
    As for the so-called. "Ukrainian people" - it is not and never was! There is Khokhlomraz and Galitsin scum! And the "country" is only puffed up by its independence, but inside it knows that it is lying to itself: a simple example - if you are independent - give up the "language of the aggressor" for good! Why can't you even do that? But - they cannot ... because then all state life will simply freeze! What remains? - The circus, theft and meanness remain ...
  • cedar
    cedar April 23 2016 10: 52
    +4
    The author is right in the main. You can't pour water on the mill of the Anglo-Saxons who occupied Ukraine. And under an hour, this is exactly what happens in the comments of commentators, when 95% of normal people who are in trouble-occupation are mixed with 5% of dirty foam raised by the invaders from the bottom of the human! And then they are separated from us so "clean and sinless" so as not to get dirty! The Anglo-Americans have the expectation that we will not climb into this Ukrainian swamp to pull the brothers out and they will perish, to the delight of the new masters of Ukraine from London Washington, and if we get dirty from head to toe, these sewers will try. The choice is not great: to remain clean traitors or brothers Slavs, but soiled. No matter what anyone here writes, but only the real thing in the near future will show what personal choice he made. We see at the root!
  • atamankko
    atamankko April 23 2016 11: 09
    +1
    The article is useful if only because it makes you turn on your own brains.
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 23 2016 11: 11
    +3
    I see the number of passionate arbiters of other people's destinies in remote mode is steadily growing. And the vocabulary is the same as a year and two ago: "one people", "unreasonable younger brothers" and other rubbish. I believe that no one is going to ask xoxlov, arrogantly speculate about "common roots", dilettantely slobber over the topic "Where did the Ukrainian land come from?" in Moscow and try to reason with the arguments of those who are standing in line for lace panties. And offer to share the Russian experience of "getting up from your knees." That's it - steam is released, but the situation is the same with the same characters. Empty.
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    Basil50 April 23 2016 11: 25
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    And it seems to me that everything will be decided in stages. A TV show about Ukraine shows what is happening and how. While there * are in demand * such as appear on * TV *, this is not due to * lack * of mind, there today those who see this as an opportunity to enrich themselves and * get washed away * have seized power. The feed base in Ukraine is declining, hence the * showdown * among the groups. Including * war * in the east of Ukraine. It’s just that property, including stolen property, cannot be kept without a state behind * back *, and it doesn’t matter where * the egg-box * is hiding. Western * gopota * is capable of any meanness if she is confident in impunity.