Anti-tank installation WMA301 Assaulter Chinese company NORINCO

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[Cruorvult]

Who came up with calling light gun platforms anti-tank with 105 mm guns, while everyone is thinking about new guns of a larger caliber ...

[Midnight]

Quote: CruorVult

Who came up with calling light gun platforms anti-tank with 105 mm guns

The main targets for the 105 mm cannon are BMP-BTR and old tanks, which also have a maximum of 105 mm.

[Cruorvult]

BMP / BTR can be suppressed with 57, it makes sense to create new combat modules to destroy old tanks ??? That way even an old tank can survive the hit of a 105 mm projectile, but will this thing withstand a hit of 100 mm return?

[Come on]

Which side of the T-62 / 55, AMX30, M-48 / 60 and their peers can withstand 400-600mm penetration?

[Bongo]

Quote: Yeah, well.

Which side of the T-62 / 55, AMX30, M-48 / 60 and their peers can withstand 400-600mm penetration?

The tanks of the first post-war generation equipped with DZ and screens can survive the impact of a cumulative grenade, but certainly not the hit of a modern BPS.

[Come on]

Quote: CruorVult

with 105 mm cannons, while everyone is thinking about new larger caliber guns ...

This Chinese wheeled tank can use all NATO ammunition, that is, the range of ammunition is huge, as is the stock in stock, from cheap old ones with penetration sufficient for all standard tanks of the T-62, M-48/60 level and the first T-72 to the side view , to modern expensive, but more effective shells. Most of the tanks with a side projection of the modern 105mm NATO COP will easily sew and DZ will not help. The same and Kuma 105ok produces its 600mm. Also, you forget that URs can be funerers like n.p. Bill2 is Swedish, and it’s tiny, but scary for any tank, and if you put the warhead and indicator on the 105mm ATGM converted for them, then this will be literally a headache for any, even the most modern tank. And BK 105ok in 30 rounds for such an impressive shot. In addition, its advantage is speed. A swarm of a dozen of them came out at a speed along a dirt or asphalt road, dispersed, several hits each on positions and on a dump .. Or on rough terrain the same. Ideal support for rear-mounted infantry in local conflicts. As the French used in Mali, but not with such fluffs.

[demiurg]

Wheeled vehicles with a gun are a modern replacement for light tanks. Even modern infantry fighting vehicles have great capabilities. If the state does not have the money to buy not only T-90/Abrams, but at least Bradley/BMP-3, then this is some kind of replacement.

[Cruorvult]

The concept of a light tank in itself is an absurd thing for most theaters of action, although there are exceptions. The tasks of the tank and BMP are different, if there is no money, you can always buy used / or the same Chinese offer a wide range of body kit, including numbers and quite budget ones. I think Bradley is more expensive than the same Ukrainians to buy used 64k, which they did after the collapse of the great.

[pimen]

in such cases, the electric transmission would not look bad: extend the axles in length, remove the overhangs, and stick a tower in the vacant space. Half a meter would win for sure. And if there was also an air suspension so that it could lie on the belly, then we would get candy

[Monster_Fat]

High, poorly protected ... for the war with the Papuans.

[Bongo]

Quote: Monster_Fat

High, poorly protected ... for the war with the Papuans.

How do you put it "Papuans"(do not offend this worthy people) - all the time are armed with RPG-7, against which this machine with bulletproof armor absolutely does not dance. The experience of using the Italian Centauro (pictured) in Somalia has shown that these machines are useless in operations against the rebels.

The combination of a large cannon-thin armor can only be effective when operating from ambushes against tanks or as a self-propelled guns fire support being behind the battle formations of the advancing troops.

[pimen]

Behind the advancing battle formations - that's for sure, and all the same, active defense is highly desirable

[Cruorvult]

The modern army, this is a very difficult interaction, well, you have a KAZ, and if the enemy self-propelled guns have at least 30 km, or MLRS, the modern 100+ km, than KAZ will help you from a land mine). PS, we have Serdyukov on Centauri fapal, I wanted to buy a sure thing, like Iveki.

[pimen]

Yes, I don’t argue, I’m just talking about the possibilities of a gun on a wheeled circuit; and then, at an angle of price

[Midnight]

Quote: Bongo

all are armed with RPG-7, against which this machine with bulletproof armor absolutely does not dance.

No.
There is no need to extol the capabilities and effectiveness of RPGs.
And if the RPG has a chance on city streets, but there isn’t any open terrain, especially a single soldier who is almost always a suicide bomber with RPGs.

[Bongo]

Quote: Midnight

There is no need to extol the capabilities and effectiveness of RPGs.
And if the RPG has a chance on city streets, but there isn’t any open terrain, especially a single soldier who is almost always a suicide bomber with RPGs.

Tell this to the Italian troops in Somalia. Except for reinforcing checkpoints after the loss of several cars during the "patrol", Centauro was no longer used.

[pimen]

Well, if you slightly correct the gun and recognize the right to the specifics of a theater, then, in principle, how do such cars differ from Nona, Vienna and Octopus?

[Bongo]

Quote: pimen

Well, if you slightly correct the gun and recognize the right to the specifics of a theater, then, in principle, how do such cars differ from Nona, Vienna and Octopus?

Come on, as if you yourself don't understand the difference "Nona" and "Vena" are self-propelled guns for firing along a mounted trajectory from closed positions, and "Sprut" is a specialized airborne tank destroyer.

[pimen]

and yet, if instead of the indicated gun we substitute 2A51, 2A80, 2A75 (if necessary?)

[Cruorvult]

you must also understand that the Octopus has a full 125 mm gun, and not 100 (105) mm scrap, + it is landing.

[Come on]

And losses from what, IED?

[Bongo]

Quote: Yeah, well.

And losses from what, IED?

IEDs, mines TM-57 / 62 and RPG-7

[tchoni]

These are cars for "road wars" But they are very badly cut. Such a vehicle would be ideal for escorting convoys if the Chinese had armed them with a troika and, due to greater differentiation, would have strengthened the protection of the crew and BC.

[demiurg]

Armor with a gun is needed everywhere for infantry, even in Africa. It is desirable that it be repaired by a local blacksmith. And filled with what is available at the local gas station. That is why T-55s are traveling around Africa. And will continue to do so for a long time.
I do not know about the maintainability of this machine, but it is cheap (even in relation to even European classmates). And China will sell it to everyone who has money.

[Mooh]

Typically Chinese weapons are cheap disposable tank destroyers. Only they can easily afford to lose those heels for the sake of destroying one T-72.

[Denimax]

In mini-conflicts, it’s better not to carry a full BK, it is very unlikely that the whole will be shot in one skirmish. You can put the BC on the bottom is much less likely to hit RPGs and cover from fragments. I read about Fenech, it was said that it is more dangerous for lightly armored large-caliber rifles and machine guns, because they penetrate thin armor like RPGs, but they manage to make holes much more.

[Megatron]

I think she’ll survive the shelling from the same DShK.

[Mikado]

It’s interesting how she shoots to the sides, and not in the direction of travel, whether she heels too much. And whether such a tower is overweight. The feeling of a not very useful machine for a full battle, I agree with most members of the forum.