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Propaganda in the cut. One day on TV. Ukraine vs Russia

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I wanted to write about the Ukrainian television propaganda for a long time, especially since I already wrote a lot about the Russian one and in detail in my blog. But Ukrainian propaganda is a unique phenomenon of its kind. And first of all, according to the degree of its impact, even on a completely sober and trained viewer. The world of illusions is an important part of any state. And such a state as Ukraine should, in this regard, simply manifest wonders of control over the masses, otherwise, it simply will not become a state.




Many of the arguments put forward by the Ukrainian media, with external warehousing, are in fact broken up by primitive counter-arguments. Well, for example, let's take the favorite uro-propaganda barrel-organ about the Russian slave mentality, which is opposed to the freedom-loving Ukrainian. I would like to ask, but what about the fact that for more than two years now a freedom-loving Ukrainian agrees with a catastrophic fall in his standard of living, not counting the prospects of being at the front?

So, one day your humble servant decided to watch Ukrainian TV channels as an experiment, in order to reveal at least its peculiarities in comparison with other countries, primarily with Russia. So, here are some of my observations ...

Observation first. Attributes of revolutionism.



Fact. Ukrainian television has succeeded in creating the illusion that "the people have won, now everything is ours." This includes women TV presenters with tattoos on their hands, as well as various criminal elements and underground personalities. They play the same role that the centurions of Maidan in the Rada - to cause the illusion that the Maidan could influence something, was able to push ordinary people from the street into power and on television. On television, they can quite sharply criticize the president, the prime minister or someone else. The information is presented vigorously, aggressively, without giving the viewer the opportunity to stop and think, until he turns off the TV.

However, there are a number of sacred cows, criticism of which is not allowed or allowed, but symbolic: the United States, the European Union, the ATO. There are few such bans, for otherwise the taboo will simply cease to act.

With all the carefully demonstrated attributes of revolutionism, the Maidan revolution in Ukraine, of course, is not. This is a trivial coup. Compare, for example, with the Cuban revolution, and everything will become clear to you.

In fact. Television in Ukraine only skillfully simulates “democracy and political struggle”, as well as “revolutionary spirit”. In fact, it is allowed to criticize the president or the premier from the television even to the blue in the face - the moment when this or that person in the high chair will be replaced is still determined across the ocean.

Comparison with Russia. Unfortunately, not in our favor. We have no critics of the ruling system on television at all. There is only an endless tantrum in the evening talk show, which is meaningless and fruitless, as an attempt to grow peaches in the permafrost. Therefore, any more or less adequate viewer for a long time for political discussions goes to the Internet.

Observation second. "Armor is strong and ..."



Fact. Ukraine considers itself a country at war with Russia, therefore everything that is somehow connected with the army and armament is given special attention. If in the first year cinematic videos about the war were popular, now there are noticeably fewer of them. But the topic of comparison of local and Russian weapons is popular. Here, for example, there is a story about the Ukrainian BTR-4, in the context of comparison with the Russian BTR-82 and the promising armored “Boomerang”. First, we are told that the BTR-4 is superior to the BTR-82 in that it has landing hatches in the rear, and the Boomerang also in that it carries a highly raised module (allows you to fire, hiding behind an obstacle), on which 30-mm is also installed grenade launcher for the destruction of stuck infantry. We will not go into a technical dispute of fairness or injustice of these allegations. Here let the experts break the spears, we are also interested in a different effect. Through such videos here, the viewer forms a rather curious idea of ​​the superiority of Ukrainian technical thought over Russian. It's funny, but it works that way.

In any case, here is the golden rule of any propaganda: to lie as little as possible. It is necessary to distort the truth or show it half. But to lie frankly and directly is undesirable, because a lie is easily exposed. And it is almost impossible to expose the skilfully woven half-truth, since it is always permissible to say that, we say, "we have forgotten."

Comparison with Russia. It is here that here in the Russian Federation there is once more sadness. A serious comparison of domestic weapons with foreign and analysis for a mass audience, we mainly deal with specialized Internet portals, such as the Military Review. The TV is limited to the duty officer “has no analogues in the world,” or simply lists the characteristics of a Russian car without a serious comparison with Western and Eastern analogues. For comparison is often not in favor of domestic.

In fact. The presence of individual weapons of superior technology does not guarantee Ukraine total superiority on the battlefield. The army is a system. If you are better than the enemy in one thing and are inferior in everything else, then the price is worthless to such an advantage. And then, the "bad" BTR-82A can stupidly crush the "good" BTR-4 number. Not to mention the fact that "Boomerang" is a prototype, which will still finish. For the most part, the Ukrainian army remains deeply Soviet in terms of armament and everything else. The glamor donated by the Americans "Hummy" and fashionable equipment - it is more for the television screen, and the trench truth is much less attractive.

In general, the comparison of own weapons with the weapon of the adversary is an extremely important thing. Is relevant here история (seemingly even real) that happened in 1940. So, I.V. Stalin, listening to peppy reports about how powerful in our USSR aviation, requested intelligence from German and British aircraft that participated in the Battle of Britain. When the leader of the peoples compared the obtained data with the characteristics of the Soviet "falcons", it became obvious that the domestic aviation industry was driving open slag into the troops, which could only burn picturesquely at airfields, which happened on June 22, 1941. True, due to the fact that Stalin in time asked about the state of affairs, by 1941 they still managed to fix something.

Observation third. New faces. Orientation to the youth.

Fact. Ukrainian television propaganda is focused mainly on the active public up to 30-35 years. In pop culture, young, not familiar faces flash, new songs are played with live, original video accompaniment, etc. And this is not accidental. Youth is synonymous with revolutionism. Thus, the authorities seem to appeal to the younger generation, saying: “you have won, now everything is your way”. Of course, this is a lie, but on a psychological level, everything works clearly.

In fact. Opportunities for getting "up", in power or show business, young people are about the same as before, that is, almost none. The power has remained the same deck as before - minus Yanukovych and two or three more names. A chance to change their lives may appear if they introduce a visa-free regime with the European Union. True, this may not be the opportunity that many have dreamed of.

Comparison with Russia. From year to year on federal TV we have a zombie parade. Growing up, but desperately young, “stars” from the nineties, or even from the eighties, with a few intersperses of a newer public of the same kind, are tasteless and dull. Cinema of the same variety. Negative selection in all its unsightly beauty. The result is logical: all young people and a significant portion of middle-aged people went to the Internet, where they are being spud by all who feel like it. The ideologically emasculated TV has only those who will not make a revolution in any way.

The sterility and rigidity of Russian TV is now definitely giving Ukrainian propaganda trumps. They say that Russia is all old, backward, the tenth of freshness, and Ukrainian - young, vibrant, rapidly developing. Of course, this is also a lie, but the denial of this lie must also be dealt with at a serious qualitative level. In the meantime, Russian officials either ignore this topic in general, or are engaged in it in such a way that it would be better not to touch it at all.

Another truth of propaganda: before you lecture, you must be interested. If the public gets bored, it will turn around and leave, and the broadcaster will remain in front of the empty space.

So, after turning off the TV, you can draw the following conclusions. Ukrainian propaganda is a strong and high-quality product, but very perishable. Act on him while maintaining the current situation - on the strength of a year. At the same time, Ukrainian specialists have already surpassed their Russian colleagues, obviously, not without active help from abroad. However, the overall situation, this victory changes a little. The collapse of the illusory castle has already begun.
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    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 25 2016 07: 40
      +28
      Kabardin again ... ugh! Does he pay to HERE to post his ravings?
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 25 2016 09: 33
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Kabardin again ... ugh! Does he pay to HERE to post his ravings?

        Yes, some kind of bredyatin wrote the author. After all, it’s not ukro TV is not half-truth, but the most impudent and shameless lie. Everything as their sensei Goebbels taught.
        1. Vend
          Vend April 25 2016 09: 39
          +6
          Another article is all gone.
        2. el coyote
          el coyote April 25 2016 10: 06
          +26
          Maybe the author expressed one-sided thought, for example, did not reflect the positive features of our media space in comparison with the Ukrainian one, but in terms of the fact that it is impossible to watch our television now without a pension certificate and everyone goes to the Internet, where some of the weak in spirit fall victim to someone else’s earplug noodles are a fact.
          The generation of people who call the Russian Federation — but it doesn’t grow up in Russia — has already grown. I consider this an omission of our propaganda.
          1. max702
            max702 April 25 2016 11: 33
            +5
            Quote: el Coyote
            but regarding the fact that it’s impossible to watch our television now without a pension certificate

            Well, not everything is so simple! (C) For example, I watch T24 with interest, and the fact that the content on the TV channels is the same and the quality is not ah, well, there are very few TV channels in the world that show really interesting things because it’s difficult ( almost everyone saw everything) and expensive (beautiful picture, dashing stories, etc.) .. On the Internet, there’s a dumb choice more! What interests you is that you are watching, and this is a banal technological advantage, such as for TV over Radio ..
          2. Altona
            Altona April 25 2016 12: 15
            +12
            Quote: el Coyote
            The generation of people who call the Russian Federation — but it doesn’t grow up in Russia — has already grown. I consider this an omission of our propaganda.

            -------------------------
            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation launched the Red Line TV channel (now something is not shown in my package. There are quite critical reviews of the actions of our Government. And so, watching our political talk shows is sadly boring. Ukraine, Syria, we are great, we are in louboutins. About internal politics is like a dead man (apparently she is already). Medvedev is forced to admit that the regions are drowning in poverty. But the industry has grown by as much as 30%, before that since 2009, having collapsed by 50. From what base they believe is completely incomprehensible. And now we will have a growth of 0,5%, or maybe not. In general, nonsense for the weak-minded. So I advise many for a week not to watch TV in terms of official programs and still look at the surrounding reality. We are always fed with the illusion that “somewhere out there it’s good,” but we were simply unlucky. Do you know this hypocrisy and cynicism.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich April 25 2016 12: 40
              0
              Quote: Altona
              Syria, we are well done, we are in Louboutin.

              ON LABOUTENS ...! (writing prudently noona!) lol hi
              1. Altona
                Altona April 25 2016 14: 44
                +4
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                ON LABOUTENS ...! (writing prudently noona!)

                ----------------------
                They are above- ON, and we below - V.
                In general, the phrase is caused by the clip of the song "Exhibit", where the actress Yulia Topolnitskaya says: "Who is great? I am good! Who is great? I am good!" This is how our Government is, and no criticism or self-criticism for you. Is this the case?
            2. Lex
              Lex April 25 2016 22: 19
              +2
              Oh, those "red" channels and slogans. Of course, the idea itself is not bad, but here's the implementation as usual ...
              For example, well, I can’t take seriously Zyuganov’s ranting about justice, when he warmed himself very well in the 90s. When the same Zyuganov can explain where his son got his fortune (and I know from work that he was in charge of humanitarian aid and the sums there were not just large, but colossal), then let him do "critical reviews" and beat his chest with his fist ...
              ps
              I'm tired of arguing with my parents about this. Well, no honest upstairs, no.
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 25 2016 13: 14
          0
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          After all, it’s not ukro TV is not half-truth, but the most impudent and shameless lie. Everything as their sensei Goebbels taught.

          The author suggests; need, they say, to establish propaganda! And the thing goes. Svidomye wide Ukrainians reeducated, etc.
          He probably forgot, or maybe didn’t know, that every nation is prone to propaganda, and Ukrainians, especially due to their historical development and special mentality.
          As a result, the most difficult historical events were left without events without a reasonable leadership, an honest elite.
          Here is at least Pushkin about the affairs of bygone days:
          But you know yourself: senseless mob
          Changeable, rebellious, superstitious,
          Easily empty hope betrayed,
          To instant suggestion is obedient,
          For the truth is deaf and indifferent,
          And she feeds on fables.

          Counterpropaganda works only when "their backs (or foreheads) are sore."
          And everything will become clear to everyone - how the sun rose.
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy April 25 2016 15: 45
        +2
        I agree, the article is clearly a fat minus. The claim for system analysis is not true, one phrase about the Ukrainian army is worth:

        For the most part, the Ukrainian army remains deeply Soviet both in terms of armaments and everything else.


        The Ukrainian army ceased to be Soviet in every sense of the word after the collapse of the Union (especially taking into account the equipment of the first echelon defense line), because apart from theft, shooting at civilian planes and aerial bombings of the Lugansk administration, it was not noticed in anything else.

        This is if you do not disassemble other theses like the lack of criticism of the authorities on Russian TV.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 25 2016 14: 03
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      What to write about them, who served and worked with Ukrainians during the time of the Union themselves will tell about them a lot of interesting things, but usually in the form of a joke.

      Every nation has its own individuals for jokes. It is important that jokes do not turn into outright nationalism.
      Here in Russia again, there is sheer sadness. A serious comparison of domestic weapons with foreign ones and analysis for a mass audience is mainly carried out by specialized Internet portals, such as Military Review.

      What kind of comparison, God forgive me, is this talking about? Who is thicker and longer, or who has the most train trains in the world? Comparison can take place if there is a long-term military use of the compared types of weapons. All other comparisons and ratings are an empty chatter based on information for the average person.
      In general, comparing one’s own weapon with an adversary’s weapon is an extremely important thing. Here the history (seemingly even real) that happened in 1940 is appropriate.

      In 40 theory and assumptions, in 41 bitter experience and work on mistakes, in 44-45 results on combat use.
      You can continue to continue the list of speculations of the author, but there is neither desire nor patience. Stupidity on stupidity and stupidity drives.
    3. Arkhan
      Arkhan April 25 2016 20: 07
      0
      I don’t want to prove anything to you. Just leave it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQpIZ4SdSUY
      You decide what to do with it.
    4. Lex
      Lex April 25 2016 22: 27
      0
      By the way, the same censor did more to attract Russian volunteers to Donbas than all our television. Active people get information from the Internet mainly, television gives only a picture. So most of whom I came across on this issue were tracking the situation with respect to the Ukrop resources, and it was these resources that usually pushed to the decision - "that's it, we must go ...". I remember very well the comments of those times on the censor, when the militia was not even close, but the same scumbags did their best to make it appear.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik April 25 2016 07: 38
    +14
    I don’t watch Ukrainian, rarely my Star, Culture .. sports channels .. And so, the author is probably right in some way ..
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 April 25 2016 07: 41
    +16
    Yes, about the stars for sure, such a ram ...
  4. isker
    isker April 25 2016 07: 44
    +19
    "So, by turning off the TV, we can draw the following conclusions. Ukrainian propaganda is a strong and high-quality product, but very perishable."

    It is not "high-quality" - it is simply "the only" - there are simply no other topics besides hatred of Russia regarding Russia! Hence his "exclusivity" and "quality", although ... in the last two or three months, they openly criticize the president from Ukrainian screens and already agree that Russia is not enemy number 1 for Ukraine - the first enemy is the oligarchs (corruption) , but this will change little - the mentality remains the same ...
    in view of the general degradation - they work with what they have: (see photo) - at first I thought about the opening of a new "Museum of the Revolution", and these are reports from the ATO
  5. ltc22A
    ltc22A April 25 2016 07: 45
    +11
    Put a plus for the article. In terms of propaganda, we (Russia) are losing Ukrainian media. They, with the support of the euro and American curators, have zombified the Ukrainian population and especially young people. They do not know the truth (and do not want to know).
    1. Saffron
      Saffron April 25 2016 08: 30
      +11
      And also pay attention to how "in a democratic way" and "in a European way" all the pro-Russian media were pushed out of the ukroSMI zone, if we do not yet know whose propaganda is stronger, but the screeching abroad will be about the oppression of freedom of speech!
    2. drilled
      drilled April 25 2016 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: ltc22A
      Put a plus for the article. In terms of propaganda, we (Russia) are losing Ukrainian media. They, with the support of the euro and American curators, have zombified the Ukrainian population and especially young people. They do not know the truth (and do not want to know).

      You see, zombies are zombies. Syria is also a zombie. Embedded stronger, and remained only ideological. Now, if the author wrote that in the 10th grade we don’t know with whom we fought in 1812, then I would agree. And the fact that in the ruin they inflate the firebrand with dirty tidiness, and we have one bilan, so that's Hohland. And remind, when did these comrades win? One Zbarozh, it seems, and even then Khmelnitsky after sold Ukrainians and hobnobed with the Poles.
  6. gorozhanka74
    gorozhanka74 April 25 2016 07: 45
    -15%
    ... who, besides pensioners and housewives, watches a zombie man? .... and even that is TV shows!
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 25 2016 08: 25
      +5
      In addition to serials, there are many channels, for example "Weapon" or sports, erotica in the end, why do you hate TV so much.
      1. Nonna
        Nonna April 25 2016 10: 36
        +8
        strange you argue - what does hate? And most importantly, what does the channel have to do with it - such as erotica and weapons? These are subscription channels, and not a mass swim, as they say. Our TV is combed only in one direction - to keep silent about the powers that be, pour liberal slop on our history, zombify the population with all kinds of turbidity, like Malakhov talk shows and more. I’m generally silent about the series of a certain substance, well, but a panocticum from the presenters and showbiz of old age is not discussed at all
        1. Mikado
          Mikado April 25 2016 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Nonna
          I’m generally silent about the series of a certain substance, well, but a panocticum from the presenters and showbiz of old age is not discussed at all


          You come home, you don’t even want to turn on the central channels. As you rightly said, the same talk shows, causing only irritation, and series with the same serial faces, even whose names you do not remember. I’m silent about their acting talents angry
          Remains "Star" and "My planet" (who has). Sadness-sadness sad
    2. Rossiyanin
      Rossiyanin April 25 2016 12: 59
      +2
      I look, so what?
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 25 2016 07: 46
    +12
    At the same time, Ukrainian specialists have already surpassed their Russian colleagues, obviously

    The author contributed his "five kopecks" to the Ukrainian propaganda. Now they have something to refer to when criticizing our television.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N April 25 2016 10: 05
      +1
      Right criticism, but not enough. Or Russophobia was not observed on the leading channels?
      Remember Besogon Mikhalkova!
  8. Riv
    Riv April 25 2016 07: 48
    +10
    The author has not discovered anything new. This is called: paranoia. The complete breakdown of logical thinking, as a result of constant brainwashing. In formal logic, anything follows from a false statement. For example: if the Earth is flat, then concrete tastes sweet. For us, this is nonsense, but for the paranoid, everything is fine. In this state, a person swallows everything that TV pours on him.

    The human psyche is very flexible. But this is also her weakness. Here comes the Maidan. The people are jumping to the speech, the person is jumping with everyone. The subconscious mind asks the question: "Are we doing the right thing?" Consciousness answers: "Half a million people cannot be wrong. Everything will be fine." The subconscious mind does not agree, but if the situation repeats itself many times, then it removes its objections as unnecessary. And the situation is actually repeating itself, day after day, for the second year already. Svidomye now simply can not be critical of their actions. Hence all this nonsense of their bloggers and politicians, the stupidest decisions like the energy blockade. We find it funny, but they are serious.
  9. CONTROL
    CONTROL April 25 2016 07: 49
    +8
    Ukrainian TV ... press ... propaganda!
    In addition to propaganda - everything has already passed, in the 90s - both MMM, and the "Roditi" bank ... and the "good Krasnodar" ... And tattooed odious personalities, and obscene banter on the "box" ...
    Everything is good in moderation, methods must be changed - because they stop working! Such TV in Russia just stopped watching - an example? - House-1, House-2 ... and the like!
    The best propaganda is true! But just with this - that on TV, that in the press - strained ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 25 2016 10: 21
      +5
      Quote: CONTROL
      The best propaganda is true! But just with this - that on TV, that in the press - strained ...

      It is impossible to push the truth everywhere, always, it spoils the karma of the authorities and local princes on the ground. Imagine living in some Muhoska, turning on the TV:
      there, locally, there are roads in the city of Aries, with kindergartens and hospitals - Aries, housing and communal services - the day after tomorrow, a 2-fold increase, products have risen in price, tomorrow gas will be at a drop of rubles, etc., you turn on the federal one - the same thing is only on a state scale. We have so much suicides and drunks will grow at times, the people will begin to buzz slowly, to organize strikes.
      Now let's compare what they are doing now - in Ukraine - OPA, in the EU - OPA, in the USA - OPA, we also have opa, but we are working! They opened a new hospital in Zadrischensk (any city, no matter what it is over the past 20 years, it’s the first hospital), they gave one million rubles each to the drowned and other victims, they allocated another (!) Billion for road repairs, in the evening every day super super-megareactive talk shows - where politicians throw a sheep at the fan and throw pissed rags at each other.
      Otherwise, the beautiful marquise is all good - all is good! (with)
      You can’t always tell the truth, but it’s also not worth filling your ears and eyes, and all TVs, with the exception of educational ones (nature, technology, science), are doing just that.
  10. beer-youk
    beer-youk April 25 2016 07: 50
    +14
    "Ukrainian propaganda is a strong and high-quality product, but very perishable."

    Judging by personal observations of the regular telephone communication of my friend with my sister, who lives in Ukraine, there is no smell of "perishable" here. The dynamics of two years of this communication is as follows: - Joy and regret that he settled in Russia 30 years ago and now will not get to Europe - Accusations and insults - Pity that he is starving and freezing - Unprintable insults and threats - since February of this year does not take tube.
    It turns out that their propaganda is growing, which is very, very not happy.
    1. Riv
      Riv April 25 2016 14: 10
      0
      This is not the point. The propaganda is simply forced to turn the spring tighter. A year ago, Ukraine was in the spotlight. Svidomo thought that right tomorrow everything would be in chocolate. Money will be given, it will be possible to work in Europe ... The people expected that life would change, that everyone would live better. Really waited. Now people ask themselves: "Where is what we were promised?" They were not told how much to endure.

      That is, everything remained in the world as it was, but for some reason Ukrainians feel bad. The result is predictable: if today the enemy is Russia, then tomorrow the whole world. This is paranoia. If the paranoid does not constantly remind who his enemy is, then he will find enemies in his environment.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 25 2016 07: 54
    +5
    The government has its own problems and life, the country's population has its own.
    Before the advent of the Internet, the flow of information was unidirectional: from top to bottom.
    The Internet has made it possible for the people to publish their vision of the situation and give an assessment of the authorities. The authorities are not satisfied with this situation. The repression against individual bloggers has already begun.
    As for the population of Ukraine, it is impossible to generalize only on the basis of the opinions of hyperactive members of society in its western part.
    Most Ukrainians favor friendship with Russia. But they are openly afraid of talking about it ...
  12. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 April 25 2016 08: 07
    +4
    Dear Igor Kabardin! To analyze the "stuffing" of what is ours, what is the Ukrainian zombie occupation is unpleasant and, in general, useless, like the search for grains of truth in the manure. Satellite and the Internet have long become a source of news. Compare RTD and First ... her.
  13. Egoza
    Egoza April 25 2016 08: 11
    +10
    There is no Ukrainian propaganda, there is Ukrainian zombie. The "criticism" of the government depends on who owns the TV channels. In general, they try not to mention the news in the world. The airwaves are packed with Zelensky! About 5 of his programs are shown on different channels + old serials, such as "Roksolana" (Ukraine - Turkey = friendship forever) and "Commissar Rex". Furthermore. now the SBU, together with the Ministry of Culture, is creating lists of Ukrainian "pro-Russian" artists. But despite the bans and stubs, people still try to watch Russian channels, although the SBU has already been given the task to cut the plates (ha-ha) If everything were so bad on Russian TV, they would not watch. And so the choice is gorgeous, and the news is extensive, and the stage, and the classics, and new series ... and there are much less advertising. But what can I say - just look at yesterday's RTR program. So it's not all bad.
  14. Scud
    Scud April 25 2016 08: 13
    +6
    Yes, there are significant successes of the cannabis propaganda in dill. Well, the young shoots were goebbled, but there are a considerable number, forgive the people of God, aged, originally from Russia or having Ross. roots. The lessons of the first maydaun were made, Western, American moralizing was added. And, sadly, almost all the announcers of the central, regional television and radio channels, the journalists who worked under the Union now, with their distorted anger and hatred, are pouring mud on their own past.
    Ukrainians brain worse than the plague
    Ukrainians brain we are infected
    It’s indecent to get sick with a disease
    It causes madness and death.
    Ukrainians brain worse than the plague
    It brought the war to ruin ...
    In a fit, we jump and roar viciously
    Although, ne ne vmerly, but we will die soon.
  15. Svetlana
    Svetlana April 25 2016 08: 49
    -14%
    Have you watched your television? I was here the other day, the first time I saw a news program with Kiselev, and then I understood why he was banned in Ukraine. It was not news, but their worthy interpretation. Living in Russia, you are unlikely to see the log that is in your eye.

    I live for many years over the hill and I have neither Russian nor Ukrainian nor any other TV from the former. Union republics. Was a guest turned on the TV ... I'm fucked up by such, say the news
    1. Scud
      Scud April 25 2016 09: 04
      +12
      Foreign Svetlana! Actually, Kiselyov’s program is not a news analytical one, well, it’s so trifles. Isn’t it trifles, how do you and the Russians teach us or Ukrainians how to watch the news?
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 25 2016 09: 13
        -19%
        Uh ... Am I teaching someone? Where?
        ..
        And if people live beyond the hill, then they need to ask him, or indicate what to do with the money. How is it standard :)
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 April 25 2016 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: scud
        and send denyushka to the cyborgs.


        But why should cyborgs denyushka? They are robots! laughing
        1. AleksPol
          AleksPol April 25 2016 10: 24
          +2
          Buy hinge grease lol
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    3. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad April 25 2016 09: 30
      +8
      Quote: Svetlana
      They weren’t news, but their worthy interpretation.

      Apparently all that Kiselev says did not coincide with the interpretations that reign in the west. Personally, I do not really like this TV presenter, but I just love how all sorts of liberals hiss from his look.
    4. pofigist_26_rus
      pofigist_26_rus April 25 2016 09: 33
      +5
      Yeah, blaming others, watch yourself
      1. Lens
        Lens 3 May 2016 23: 23
        0
        By the way, have you seen the second gear? About selfie soldiers. Interesting, you know ...
    5. Egoza
      Egoza April 25 2016 09: 41
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      the first time I saw a news program with Kiselyov, and then I understood why he was banned in Ukraine.

      in Ukraine, Yevgeny Kiselyov was banned, and not the one who runs the news program on RTR. hi
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 25 2016 10: 20
        -9
        Are there two of them? I did not know and do not know then whom I was looking at and which of them was banned. My friends from whom I watched it said that this is news. And this news, I personally inserted. Bo, I'm used to a completely different news format.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio April 25 2016 13: 45
          +4
          Quote: Svetlana
          Are there two of them? I did not know and do not know then whom I was looking at and which of them was banned. My friends from whom I watched it said that this is news. And this news, I personally inserted. Bo, I'm used to a completely different news format.

          ====
          from the cycle: I don’t look, I didn’t see, I don’t know, but I have a judgment
        2. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 April 25 2016 19: 27
          +2
          Quote: Svetlana
          My friends from whom I watched it said that this is news. And this news, I personally inserted. Bo, I'm used to a completely different news format.

          I wonder what format are you used to? To the European? Where are the terrorist attacks against the Russians called "a form of protest", and the same terrorist attacks against the Europeans, a nightmare!
          Or American? On which Russian planes at home, 10 km from the base, "ruthlessly interfere" with an American warship to sail calmly!
          So there is no need to build ... from yourself here. Each country has its own propaganda.
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    6. Corsair
      Corsair April 25 2016 10: 40
      +2
      Quote: Svetlana
      I live for many years over the hill and I have neither Russian nor Ukrainian nor any other TV from the former. Union republics. Was a guest turned on the TV ... I'm fucked up by such, say the news

      Television is the same everywhere, you watched a specific program and decided that it’s always like this, we have spectacles to the masses like everywhere else. Broadcasts for women, children, news, left-handed news, right-hand shows, TV shows of all kinds, talk shows from smart to completely crazy, federal channels naturally engage in serious propaganda in between, just like in other countries.
    7. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 25 2016 10: 44
      -3
      Oh guys and girls. You are bred and bred. Since they divorced Gorbachev and Yeltsin at the time, and they destroyed the Union. The collapse of the Union continues and brainwashing is in progress. And the brains are washed on both sides. Alas. And the most offensive is that those who are under the propaganda press do not notice this press. Ukrainians do not see their propaganda, but their Russians.

      I have friends both in Russia and Ukraine. At one time, due to the collapse of the USSR, we fled from Tajikistan to different countries and weights. Here I am, brought to far abroad. And this bastard propaganda brought to the point that people who grew up in the same yard, went to the same class and walked at each other at weddings, today are ready to tear each other's throats. Yes, actually already tear.
    8. Lelek
      Lelek April 25 2016 11: 26
      +9
      Quote: Svetlana
      I live over the hill for many years


      Sergey, advice to you: do you live over a hill? - here and live on happily ever after, and teach your spiders there, not here. We live here and figure out what's what. And one more thing - change the checkbox. yes
  16. Voyager
    Voyager April 25 2016 08: 55
    +8
    Something I do not understand the author. First, he writes that you need to lie less (and in Ukraine they use just the same really the golden rule: the bolder the lie, the more plausible it is for the masses. All according to Goebbels, about which Ukrainians often like to remember), and then declares
    Comparison with Russia. Here in Russia again, there is sheer sadness. Serious comparison of domestic weapons with foreign ones and analysis for a mass audience is mainly carried out by specialized Internet portals.

    First, what's wrong with that? And secondly, this is complete nonsense. We have enough television channels and programs dedicated to Russian weapons, and comparative reviews too. If the author could not see it for a certain period of time, these are his problems, but maybe then you do not need to write such a gag?

    Further, the author declares
    We will not delve into the technical dispute of justice or injustice in these allegations. Here, let specialists break the spears, but we are interested in a different effect.
    but at the same time in a couple of paragraphs manages to neatly state this
    The presence of individual weapons of superior equipment does not guarantee Ukraine total superiority on the battlefield. The army is a system.

    If the head is not turned on so much, for the average layman it seems that they really have a technique that is superior or at least not worse. "Soviet tempering". And we, Russians, do not need to be like Ukrainians in these incorrect comparative reviews. At the same time, not long ago there was a reproach that there were no such reviews. And most importantly: where did the author see such reviews in general, where the advantages of enemy equipment and the disadvantages of domestic copies are shown? Maybe in the USA? Or maybe this scribbling is just another propaganda, only smart-ass? Look at almost every item we have everything is bad or even worse. Although I do not remember something moronic comparative reviews, when they say about some kind of computer simulation of tank battles, where Oplot wins. Zombie parade? Maybe. But from time immemorial, we have been taught to respect the older and more experienced. And now parents have to explain to the younger generation about the mistakes of the past, about how revolutions end in the hope that the young will learn from the mistakes of others. Apparently the author believes that it is necessary to keep up with the times and give all the time and attention to young marginalized people. No, this is not effective. Rather, the effect has, but short-term, until the last couple of this pun is over. And by the way, on our evening hysterical talk shows, at least regularly there are representatives of other countries, including Ukraine, and there they can scream as much as our representatives would never be allowed in any other country. Why is this not said in the "article"?

    Yes, because it (the article) was created to stupefy, so that we begin to doubt ourselves. "And don't they hang garbage on our ears, I'll go to the Internet, the favorite place of liberals deprived of the opportunity to shout on federal channels. A place where everyone writes on the fence that you can’t check it."

    Either I'm making it up, but that does not change the fact that this is just a piece of lost time, devoid of logic. request
  17. nekot
    nekot April 25 2016 09: 04
    +7
    Kabardin is trying to use every opportunity to crawl how bad everything is with us - an article like about Ukrainian propaganda, but how many inserts: “We have no criticism of the ruling system on television at all. There is only endless hysteria in evening talk shows, which is senseless and fruitless, like grow peaches in permafrost. " "The TV set is limited to the duty officer" has no analogues in the world, "or the characteristics of the Russian car are simply listed without a serious comparison with Western and Eastern counterparts. For the comparison is often not in favor of the domestic one." "... it became obvious that the domestic aviation industry is driving frank slag into the troops, which is only capable of burning picturesquely at airfields, which happened on June 22, 1941."
  18. baudolino
    baudolino April 25 2016 09: 13
    +9
    I stopped consuming Ukrainian. TV a couple of years before the Maidan just because of its abnormality. And comparing the television of a NORMAL country with what is now in BU is simply stupid.
  19. sisa29
    sisa29 April 25 2016 09: 19
    +3
    It is interesting to imagine the situation. Let it be fantastic. Russia and the USA became reconciled, pressed the next reboot button. In principle, if the USSR and the USA had deep ideological contradictions. In Russia and the United States, the two capitalist countries, the contradictions are only political and economic, and under certain circumstances they will be solved. But if we and the states make peace, then how do Ukraine Poland the Baltic states live? The trouble ... All of their modern existence is built on hatred of Russia. Although I would like to live to such a point in history.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 25 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: sisa29
      In Russia and the United States, the two capitalist countries, the contradictions are only political and economic, and under certain circumstances they will be solved.

      laughing And who will they scare the EU and the rest of the world? The United States' main income in GDP is the conveyor of the military-industrial complex, war and only war, or any serious tensions in the eastern hemisphere of the planet. This allows them to sell their weapons around the world for many lards of green paper, plus the sun allows them to make unwilling to buy.
      1. sisa29
        sisa29 April 25 2016 13: 51
        +4
        I completely agree with you. Look at the Poles only and report that they increased military spending above the required minimum. And if you think about it, it’s profitable for the West to have Russia with strong leadership. Let us recall 90 Nato in front of her eyes, the sense of organization was lost, it was difficult to advance the financing of new weapons. We had to get involved in dubious wars. And here, for the happiness of the United States, Russia began to raise its head. And to the West it is extremely important to have a strong leader with us and the reason for this is our nuclear stockpiles. Indeed, it makes no sense to fight against a strong Russia, but from a weak expect trouble. It is not known who will have a dozen other tactical ammunition and who will press the red buttons.
        My opinion is that Putin is good for America, and the fact that they created a tantrum about Putin's threat to the whole world is a commercial move to promote defense industry sales.
  20. Kep 123
    Kep 123 April 25 2016 09: 27
    +4
    In the article, at least about our TV, everything is true. It's time to change this policy on TV.
  21. Scud
    Scud April 25 2016 09: 42
    +3
    A poll is being conducted on the Ukrainian site of the Version - Which leader would you choose? Along with Poroshenko, Tymoshenko and other husks, Putin scored more than 90%. Moreover, the site is rather neutral.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 25 2016 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: scud
      Moreover, the site is rather neutral.

      actually the only true site.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek April 25 2016 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        actually the only true site.


        Well, it happens. Bernie Ecclestone recently spoke quite boldly in his article on sports, politics, and British EU membership:
        (cry.)
  22. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 25 2016 10: 00
    +1
    all young people and a significant portion of middle-aged people went into Internet where they are being spudded

    So do not need us, Igor, HOOT. yes
  23. nivander
    nivander April 25 2016 10: 13
    0
    really fed up with the Gazmanovs \ Leontiev \ Vaikuli and so on and so forth
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 25 2016 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: nivasander
      really fed up with the Gazmanovs \ Leontiev \ Vaikuli and so on and so forth


      Then catch about the true hero and do not forget to "wave" a drink for his health in the evening. yes
  24. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 25 2016 10: 21
    +3
    "Comparison with Russia. We have a zombie parade on federal TV from year to year. The aging, but desperately youthful" stars "from the nineties, and even from the eighties, with a rare splash of a newer audience of the same spill, are tasteless and dull. Cinematography Negative selection in all its unsightly glory. The result is logical: all young people and a significant part of middle-aged people went to the Internet, where everyone who is not lazy is huddling them. "
    But what about the "Voice" project. And how many young talents there are, this is a chance for them.
  25. atamankko
    atamankko April 25 2016 10: 36
    -1
    Whatever we say, but the Ukrainians propaganda is very active, skillfully lying.
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 April 25 2016 12: 52
      +1
      Yes, not skillfully - impudently. There is simply no one to refute. It is not for nothing that our channels were banned, so that they would compare and think less. Uk.telekchans have no "subtlety" - the usual impulse, onslaught. And there is no one to answer, except for Internet TV.
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  26. Olezhek
    Olezhek April 25 2016 11: 07
    +3
    about German and English planes that participated in the Battle of Britain. When the leader of the peoples compared the data obtained with the characteristics of the Soviet "falcons", it became obvious that the domestic aviation industry was driving the frank slag into the troops, which can only burn picturesquely at the aerodromes, which is what happened 22 June 1941 of the year.


    Colleague, allow a little advice: do not know - do not write.
    Or select another resource.
    mail.ru for example
  27. qwert111
    qwert111 April 25 2016 11: 25
    +5
    Quote: Svetlana
    Have you watched your television? I was here the other day, the first time I saw a news program with Kiselev, and then I understood why he was banned in Ukraine. It was not news, but their worthy interpretation. Living in Russia, you are unlikely to see the log that is in your eye.

    I live for many years over the hill and I have neither Russian nor Ukrainian nor any other TV from the former. Union republics. Was a guest turned on the TV ... I'm fucked up by such, say the news


    And from your foreign news, you do not shit? Maybe there they show the militants killed in the Donbass or the atrocities in Syria or the Nazis in Ukraine? We see and know our shortcomings, only we do not engage in masturbation without orgasm, as you do over the hill !!!
  28. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 25 2016 12: 05
    +2
    The collapse of the illusory castle has already begun


    Something is not noticeable to me here in Ukraine, this "collapse". The author passes off the wishful thinking as reality, but in fact the local media are successfully trained by Western professionals, various methods of influence are being worked out. Russia is again lagging behind in this.
  29. then
    then April 25 2016 12: 34
    +1
    Everything is relative. A person's brain atrophies when people start thinking for him. The same facts cause different reactions in different people. That is why some live in Russia, and others in Ukraine. Having a little bit of a working "block of logic" a person himself perfectly filters information, looks at what is interesting to him. Well, the truth is always there, outside the window.
  30. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis April 25 2016 12: 42
    0
    It seems that dill wrote an article.
  31. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover April 25 2016 13: 02
    +1
    The news began to annoy. News of the 1st, RF24. Speakers, good aunts, beautiful, broadcast about the dollar, oil prices, some kind of financial fluctuation charts, indices. What for all this ??? Show the factory, a large Company, at worst to the seller of the boutique, trying on the sweater trying on the buyer. Annoying Gazprom-national heritage. For specialists, this info is about nothing, for me, too, about nothing. It seems that the announcer is simply being displayed, they are preparing for the panel, or what? Or is it a fashion for officials and rich people, lovers are no longer fashionable in the Duma, they’ll go to the announcers. There are sensible reports on the Star, on Syria, but as the krasyns and similar halimzads begin, it is immediately disgusting.
  32. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps April 25 2016 13: 08
    +1
    Yes, some kind of bredyatin wrote the author. After all, it’s not ukro TV is not half-truth, but the most impudent and shameless lie. Everything as their sensei Goebbels taught.

    And Sensei Goebbels has a lot to learn and draw conclusions .... "Ordinary fascism" "17 minutes ..." - here's a close-up of the faces and images of "Volkssturm" and "Hitler Youth" - these were uprooted to the end - ha! any upbringing LSAG NAPOLI DeutschesBM .... I found how "Lame" to put pressure on a German corn ...
    Ours would take into account ....
    Go to the recruiting stations - gackenkroytsy, wolfzangels, SS-adlers - yes on our Russian priests and biceps ... Cool ... So it took root .... Attractive to non-current pioneers and builders of BAM .... What ??? ... Think gentlemen officers ... Nobody canceled analytics courses
  33. bear
    bear April 25 2016 13: 15
    0
    Damn it !! laughing
  34. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 April 25 2016 13: 19
    0
    And it seems to me not correct to single out Russia and Ukraine. Today, all the world's leading media are engaged in similar things described in the article. Why are we better or worse? This is a trend, "mainstream", so to speak. IMHO. request
  35. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps April 25 2016 13: 41
    0
    Quote: bear
    Damn it !! laughing


    Bredyatina was about 40 years ago ... Wait a moment, look in the box, ride the tram to the final one after 20.00, go to the market ... And say that your last name is Dukalis ...

    The trend ... hmmm ... exactly on the face
  36. Vadim42
    Vadim42 April 25 2016 14: 31
    0
    Do not lie, you need to mix reality with a lie. What the author did. Maybe start watching TV without vodka, soberly.
  37. 1774
    1774 April 25 2016 15: 03
    +2
    The author tell me which planes in the Red Army before the war were open slag, and they burned on June 22 not because they were bad. And the best German best planes therefore did not burn at airfields during the war, or our bomber and assault Aviation did not bombard enemy airfields. Yes, and about the comparison of military equipment is not in our favor, well, Western models still have separate types, but tell me unique samples of military equipment created in the east.
  38. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 25 2016 15: 10
    0
    Quote: 1774
    Second, tell me which planes in the Red Army before the war were open slag, and they burned on June 22 not because they were bad

    I don’t know where you got from the author about the June 22 of the 41 of the year, but the question can be posed like this - what are the Soviet 39-31 aircraft. Do you personally consider outstanding examples of aircraft industry?

    Quote: 1774
    .And about the comparison of military equipment is not in our favor,

    Tell me please, but in the Wehrmacht in the summer of 41 was there any normal medium tank comparable to the T-34? or maybe the Germans in the summer of 41 had heavy tanks like Kv-1 and Kv-2? maybe I missed something?
    1. Lens
      Lens 3 May 2016 23: 35
      0
      4 panzer and 3 panzer with a long barrel quite successfully fought with t34, ahead of speed. Read Mikhail Svirin. In his books there are reports of the Scientific Research Institute of Tank Industry for the 41 year. this is not my whim - our specialists recognized.
  39. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 25 2016 15: 14
    +3
    So, when you turn off the TV, you can draw the following conclusions. Ukrainian propaganda is a strong and high-quality product, but very perishable.

    That is why you should not pay attention to this "perishable product", it will go rotten and so. And the respected author should pay attention to the fact that the majority of the population of Russia (with all its diversity, level of education and occupation) is deeply uninterested in what is happening in / on the used along with its propaganda, just as with ours. By the way, the number of programs and news about used on our TV speaks about this. There is no need to compare ukroTV, which only lives and exists thanks to anti-Russian propaganda, with our TV. Take a look around, see which of your relatives and friends is concerned about the topic of Ukraine? Units! There is no need to inflate the problem of a universal scale from this topic.
  40. Super Black
    Super Black April 25 2016 16: 32
    +2
    An article in the style of a typical Kabardin.
  41. koshmarik
    koshmarik April 25 2016 17: 37
    +2
    Ukrainian propaganda is a strong and high-quality product, but very perishable. Act him while maintaining the current situation - from the strength of the year.
    That is why Russia is not being exchanged for cheap things - a solid country must have solid reliable propaganda.
  42. mark2
    mark2 April 25 2016 17: 37
    +2
    Unfortunately, not in our favor. We have no critics of the ruling system on television at all. There is only an endless tantrum in the evening talk show, which is meaningless and fruitless, as an attempt to grow peaches in the permafrost. Therefore, any more or less adequate viewer for a long time for political discussions goes to the Internet.


    Well, what could be the criticism of the ruling system? This is the vertical of power, on top of the President, whose rating is off scale. And justified, probably. He is indisputable, and accordingly the whole vertical, which is assigned and adjusted to it, is not subject to any criticism. There's no point. Until the President decides to change, nothing will change.

    Here in Russia again, there is sheer sadness. A serious comparison of domestic weapons with foreign ones and analysis for a mass audience is mainly carried out by specialized Internet portals, such as Military Review. TV is limited to the duty "has no analogues in the world"


    Not entirely true. There is a channel "Weapon", there is a TV channel "Zvezda" where they tell in great detail about domestic weapons and there is a comparative analysis with foreign samples. Well, in general, whoever is interested will look in the reference literature. Whoever is not interested will not watch it on TV, even if it is shown on ORT. For me personally, why would I need to know these or those characteristics. The real fight will show. In this regard, I still hope for the qualifications of weapons designers and the military. They were the first to take the fight. I don’t think that they are driving themselves expensive trash, since the potential adversaries are the United States, China, the EU ...

    Every year on federal TV, we have a zombie parade. Aging, but desperately youthful “stars” from the nineties, and even from the eighties, with a rare interspersing of a newer audience of the same spill, are tasteless and dull.


    Ha ha ... and when was it different? Well, who will tell me that our people listen to modern music? Rock? Underground? Maybe it will be glad to watch the performances of club DJs? The taste of the bulk of the people is pop and
    chanson blatnyak. Young people still listen to the domestic "gangsta rap". I would look at the reaction of the audience, which would be shown a clip with punctured, impaled, pricked and stoned real "niggas" reading recitative.
    They do not show anything on the central heating lines, but on cable and satellite channels - look and rejoice. everything's there. Decay, citizens!
    Do you want critics of the authorities - "Rain" and "Echo" to help you. Do you want a weapon? Watch special channels, or better go to the Army. Lucky - compare everything yourself.
    Wrong songs? Well, what a life, such and songs! )))
  43. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 25 2016 20: 04
    0
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    Kabardin again ... ugh! Does he pay to HERE to post his ravings?

    Yes, some kind of bredyatin wrote the author. After all, it’s not ukro TV is not half-truth, but the most impudent and shameless lie. Everything as their sensei Goebbels taught.

    ImperialKolorad is right. Did you andrei Yurievich communicate with "people" in Ukraine? You look, like an adult is not a stupid person, all the more you know him for more than one year, but as soon as he opens his mouth, write lost. He carries such nonsense, as if on TV, simply retells it. Himself to think that this is nonsense. "Kremlin propaganda" compared to Ukrainian "public opinion shaping" is just childhood. On Ukrainian channels, natural zombies at all levels of the psyche. So, frankly speaking, the author did not reveal the topic, so he drove to the top, but in fact everything is much worse. You cannot even imagine how hard it is to live in such an information field.
  44. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps April 25 2016 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: Orionvit
    You can’t even imagine how hard it is to live in such an information field.


    Ha.ha.ha. TV invented to be watched, and not spat on the screen ... Invent a collider to throw empty beer cans about it ....
    They’re watching, watching ... and not only Hasi’s retired aunts, but also teenagers from 3 to 4 years old ... And try to tear the pean off the screen when there is advertising from big macs, gaskets, engine oil .... No ... Try ... You will learn a lot about yourself
    What is the article about? On ideology or on aircraft with a tank bias? ... With the reduction of acceptable turning and diving angles ....
    Ideology, gentlemen, is a delicate thing ... It has been said, "There is no creep in the compartment! Comrades, submariners!"
    The position of the ROC is absolutely striking and killing. In a cadet's way, "don't sew a sleeve to ...." Hosh believe hosh don’t believe! ... "There is no God? - There is no God, Adam Kazimirovich, there is no Adam, no .... - For your health!"
    In my opinion everything comes from here
  45. avebersek
    avebersek April 25 2016 22: 36
    -1
    Quote: "Comparison with Russia. Unfortunately, not in our favor. We have no criticism of the ruling system on television at all. Anyone who wants to find something (everywhere)" And, we get up from our knees, it will be clearer for you: we are harnessing a sled with bears, start driving soon!
  46. Old old
    Old old April 26 2016 00: 44
    0
    it became obvious that the domestic aviation industry was driving open slag into the troops, which could only burn picturesquely at airfields, which happened on June 22, 1941.

    On the ground, ANY aircraft burn the same, regardless of the performance characteristics.
  47. Combitor
    Combitor April 26 2016 01: 08
    +1
    Rather than looking for "straw" in Ukrainian TV, isn't it better to deal with "logs" in Russian TV?
    For example:
  48. Combitor
    Combitor April 26 2016 01: 09
    +1
    Quote: Kombitor
    Rather than looking for "straw" in Ukrainian TV, isn't it better to deal with "logs" in Russian TV?
    For example:
  49. Vasili09
    Vasili09 April 27 2016 16: 58
    0
    There is such a joke.
    Two friends are talking.
    “Everyone says:“ Caruso! Caruso! " And I listened - so nothing special ”
    “Have you heard Caruso ?!”
    - "No. Rabinovich sang to me. "
    and here, I didn’t look at Ukrainian propaganda, its author sang to me
    but I see our propaganda every single day, let's talk about crucified boys, push an article or drunk blacks on the back of a raped paralyzed old woman in front of a crying cow