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Flight tests of the Japanese fighter 5-th generation ATD-X. Video

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In Japan, for the first time, flight tests of a fighter were conducted, reportedly of the 5 generation. We are talking about the aircraft, called X2 (ATD-X) (Advanced Technology Demonstrator X). The fighter has stealth technology. Its development is engaged in technical design bureau of the Institute of the Ministry of Defense of Japan.


The Department of Defense ordered a 5 generation military aircraft over 8 years ago. Active design work was launched in 2009. It is noted that the system "stealth" has an effective scattering area, which allows it to hide from recognition by modern radars. The aircraft is equipped with two turbojet engines and can develop supersonic speed without the use of afterburner.

The specialists of the company are involved in the creation of the Japanese fighter Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

From the characteristics of the aircraft:
Empty mass - 13 tons, maximum speed - 2660 km / h, maximum flight altitude - 20 thousand m, wingspan - 9 m, fuselage length - about 14 m, crew - 1 people.

Information Agency Kyodo reports that the plane made a flight from the airfield to the city of Nagoya to the airbase in Gifu Prefecture.



The manufacturer, on the basis of X2 flight tests (ATD-X), will conclude that it is possible to start mass production of an 5 generation aircraft for the country's Air Force in 2019. Currently, Japan has spent about 335 million dollars developing the project.
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  1. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 22 2016 15: 39
    +30
    Well, each country has its 5th generation ....
    1. PAM
      PAM April 22 2016 15: 45
      +33
      development costs $ 335 million -That is impressive (modestly).
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist April 22 2016 16: 21
        +9
        Some small
        1. cniza
          cniza April 22 2016 16: 58
          +8
          It seems to them that the Americans have screwed up their F-35s, and they are also developing their own, they do not rely on the USA.
          1. krot
            krot April 22 2016 17: 13
            +2
            So it seems the easiest aircraft .. Lighter than our MIG-29-15t.
            1. Ivan_ich
              Ivan_ich April 23 2016 04: 18
              +1
              Quote: krot
              So it seems the easiest aircraft .. Lighter than our MIG-29-15t.


              So it's all made of plastic ... belay so as not to shine on radars. We urgently need to craft a cardboard rocket in KB, otherwise we won’t have anything to shoot them with))
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        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 22 2016 17: 05
          +8
          Quote: armored optimist
          Some small

          1. lelikas
            lelikas April 22 2016 17: 59
            +4
            So the Japanese, in most cases, are not large. There, in the Chinese planes - only the Chinese are placed.
          2. Ride78
            Ride78 April 22 2016 18: 25
            +7
            Fuck, I didn’t know that f-35 is so small. Everybody says a clumsy little pig, and there it is. No matter how much he loved America, but still plus this size, it will fit on aircraft carriers more. Offset.
            1. godofwar6699
              godofwar6699 April 22 2016 19: 43
              +4
              ............
            2. Pimply
              Pimply April 23 2016 11: 23
              +1
              Quote: Ride78
              Fuck, I didn’t know that f-35 is so small. Everybody says a clumsy little pig, and there it is. No matter how much he loved America, but still plus this size, it will fit on aircraft carriers more. Offset.

              For starters, F35 is not alone. There are three of them. And they all differ in size
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              2. godofwar6699
                godofwar6699 April 24 2016 03: 16
                0
                ............
                1. King
                  King April 25 2016 02: 32
                  +1
                  it is clear that they know how to ride. And the one on the right only backwards
          3. Ronino
            Ronino April 22 2016 18: 33
            +3
            therefore invisibility ...
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        4. evgenii67
          evgenii67 April 22 2016 18: 51
          +3
          Taking the cabin from the Yak-130 and the tail from the F / A-18 does not mean that a 5th generation aircraft was created, but this is purely my opinion, subjective and only true repeat
        5. King
          King April 22 2016 21: 15
          0
          Because small.
        6. King
          King April 22 2016 21: 15
          +1
          Because small.
        7. aerspb
          aerspb April 23 2016 00: 25
          0
          So say it :)
        8. konetit
          konetit April 23 2016 11: 31
          +1
          Therefore, the chassis is not where to remove it.
      2. Darkmor
        Darkmor April 22 2016 16: 23
        +13
        What is in it from the fifth generation? Year of issue?
        Honestly, neither the video, nor the claimed performance characteristics, nor the development cost was impressive.

        Well, the Japanese say that he will be more inconspicuous than a bird, sharper than a hawk, and will probably be able to transform into a robot (if he is controlled by a schoolgirl). But you never know what they say (and the schoolgirl will not be allowed to pilot until the aliens attack the earth)?

        This is a light fighter-interceptor - and he will remain it. It makes no sense to compare it with pak-fa.
        As a fighter-interceptor, its current characteristics are 20% better than the old f-16 and worse than the f-22. Question - maybe it’s worth just changing the engine for the f-16, so that it throws 300 km \ h and 1 km of the ceiling and does not steam?
        1. Forest
          Forest April 22 2016 17: 23
          +4
          The main thing here is the armament and electronics, but it is unlikely to be very different from the F-16V in this regard.
          1. figwam
            figwam April 22 2016 17: 47
            +3
            The first take-off and immediately afterburner, I do not believe it.
            That's what they took for that kind of money and made engines of the 5th generation, I do not believe it.
            The plane is small, respectively, the combat radius is small, purely for Japan.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 22 2016 17: 44
          +2
          Quote: Darkmor
          Well, the Japanese say that he will be more inconspicuous than a bird, sharper than a hawk, and will probably be able to transform into a robot (if he is controlled by a schoolgirl).

          Only OYaS sitting on the last desk near the window can discover the ability to pilot this fighter! smile
          And in general, what kind of "5th generation"? When will the VF-1 Valkyrie roll out?
      3. Simon
        Simon April 22 2016 16: 54
        +1
        And how not modest, just take off! And the more I from the 5th generation saw nothing more. request I wonder how he landed. recourse
      4. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog April 22 2016 17: 02
        +2
        Really impressive! Short deadlines and such a budget! Handsome men say!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 22 2016 17: 16
          +3
          I understand that it is from a composite, so such a small weight of an empty plane. As far as I remember, it was the Japanese who learned to make the first details of this material. As well as its industrial production. hi
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov April 22 2016 17: 17
          +5
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          Really impressive! Short deadlines and such a budget! Handsome men say!

          It seems to me that a small budget is a joke, and it is not known how it will show itself there.
        3. adept666
          adept666 April 22 2016 19: 52
          +4
          Really impressive! Short deadlines and such a budget! Handsome men say!
          There is no magic here. 1: they took the aerodynamic design of the F-22 (worked out and flies for a long time) - this is 20% of the cost of work. 2: since this is a prototype, it does not make much sense to bother with serious resource tests, this is another minus 15% of the cost of work. 3: Engines (which is not entirely clear), but the OBT system in the form of deflectors is borrowed from the US-German project Rockwell-MBB X-31 one to one i.e. at least part of the engine and avionics was already in the metal ... And that savings from 40% to 60% therefore such a budget. It should also be noted that this is not a serial car and even a lightweight class. Those. 350 million technology demonstrator is quite a bit to itself ...
      5. quote
        quote April 22 2016 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: PAM
        development costs $ 335 million -That is impressive (modestly).

        In fact. How much money is there for an airplane (335 mILONS ???). The American model does not fit into this standard (there is more money than aircraft).
        Well, well - ..! Good luck to the developers, and most importantly, to understand what happened!
        First question: Engines and their performance characteristics.
        Second: (the most mysterious, count of composites per metal.)
        Only after that, there are still a bunch of specifically related issues.
        And then let's say, fifth?
        Who doesn’t understand what, do not kick.
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 23 2016 03: 47
        0
        Quote: PAM
        development costs $ 335 million -That is impressive (modestly).


        I wonder how much they spent on the T-50 ... Apparently the same thing is about the same)
    2. ydjin
      ydjin April 22 2016 15: 50
      +5
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, each country has its 5th generation ....

      335 lyamov for the creation of the 5th generation? Funny pancake, americos
    3. Altona
      Altona April 22 2016 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, each country has its 5th generation ....

      ----------------------
      Pancake. Well, he is ugly IMHO, and looks like a "school desk". Some kind of frivolous. At least kill. And "invisibility" has a big question. There are no "edges", only a penguin appearance.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun April 22 2016 16: 07
        +8
        Quote: Altona
        Pancake. Well ugly he IMHO

        After take-off with an uncleaned chassis, he reminded me of a plucked chicken in a rake)))
        In general, the characteristics for such an average are not bad, but there is no data on how far he can fly ..
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 22 2016 20: 57
          +4
          Quote: Scoun
          but there is no data on how far he can fly ..

          And there is no data on weapons.
          How many missiles will he take in the internal compartment (s)? How many suspension points does it have, what is the combat load, is there a gun, etc.
          Although, with the external suspension RO, what kind of "stealth" can we talk about? lol
          1. AlexYa
            AlexYa April 23 2016 19: 50
            0
            He won’t take any missiles - they’ll beat them with plastic and put a kamikazu.
      2. Edvagan
        Edvagan April 22 2016 16: 21
        +3
        and very small
        1. Scoun
          Scoun April 22 2016 16: 43
          +5
          Quote: Edvagan
          and very small

          Just an attempt to compare at least some parameters

          MiG-35 - Japanese ATD-X
          Length-17,3 m. - fuselage - about14м

          Height - 4,73 m. - did not find

          Wingspan 11,99 m. - wingspan -9 м

          Empty mass - 11000 kg - Mass empty -13 tons

          full speed 2400 - maximum speed - 2660 km / h

          Ours is bigger, but the mass is smaller and this one is smaller but harder.

          PS.
          The Japanese themselves consider their device the 6th generation and believe that it is designed to destroy 5th generation aircraft ... I read this one on the internet.
          1. krot
            krot April 22 2016 17: 15
            +2
            Where did the MIG-35 get these characteristics? In access, it is 29% heavier than MIG-30, sort of.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 22 2016 19: 59
              +4
              Technical characteristics of the MiG-35 are as follows:

              The crew is 1 or 2 person based on the modification of the MiG-35 / MiG-35D.
              Length - 17,3 m.
              Height - 4,73 m.
              The wingspan is 11,99 m.
              Wing Area - 42 m²
              Normal take-off weight - 17500 kg, empty - 11000 kg.
              The maximum take-off weight is 23500 kg.
              2 engine turbofan engine with AE “RD-33MKV”.
              Maximum traction - 2 × 5400 kgf.
              The maximum thrust on the afterburner is 2 × 9000 kgf.
              Thrust vector deflection angles: ± 8 ° in any direction, ± 15 ° in the vertical plane.
              The thrust vector deflection rate is 60 ° / s.
              The engine weight is 1055 kg.
              http://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/istrebitel-mig-35/
              And found in a quick search about the X2 ATD
              TTX: Crew: 1
              Length: 14.174m
              Wing span: 9.099m
              Height: 4.514m
              Maximum take-off weight: 8 t. This is most likely the maximum load capacity.
              Powerplant: 2 × IHI XF5-1
              http://www.forum.lancer-club.ru/index.php?showtopic=113646
          2. Altona
            Altona April 22 2016 20: 21
            +2
            Quote: Scoun
            The Japanese themselves consider their device the 6th generation and believe that it is designed to destroy 5th generation aircraft ... I read this one on the internet.

            ----------------
            Wow ... real kawaii okami ... laughing
      3. igordok
        igordok April 22 2016 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        Pancake. Well, he is ugly

        Western vision STEALTH, does not smell of beauty. Although Japan is located in the east, it is essentially in the "west".
      4. AVA77
        AVA77 April 22 2016 16: 51
        +5
        Pancake! Sorry, I wanted to put a plus, but I slammed a minus, I owe you your impressions. I completely agree. Somehow, it’s not combat, it’s more like a training
      5. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel April 22 2016 17: 15
        +1
        They have their own facets - Japanese. In general, the keel is somehow enormous, radar certainly will not notice it.
        1. Michael67
          Michael67 April 22 2016 20: 31
          +1
          A squadron of cormorants migrating towards him.
          And a sandstorm with nails in the air intake.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 22 2016 21: 45
            +1
            The Americans lifted everyone with their 5th generation invisible aircraft.
            1 From this picture it is clear that there are no absorbing coatings
            2 The aircraft can be attributed to light fighters and how much weapons it can take into the internal compartments is not clear.
            3 What can we conclude about its maneuverability, for those pieces of blades in the butt of the nozzle?
            4 With this layout of the cab where the locator will fit there, and yet this is one of the fundamental elements of the 5th generation
    4. warriordima
      warriordima April 23 2016 02: 47
      0
      That's for sure))
    5. Arkhan
      Arkhan April 25 2016 20: 15
      0
      I don’t want to prove anything to you. Just leave it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQpIZ4SdSUY
      You decide what to do with it.
  2. Muvka
    Muvka April 22 2016 15: 39
    +4
    Chassis stuck chtol? In general, it looks like a chicken. There is some kind of squalor in the back ... By the way, they noticed that the engines are not Japanese. They do not have enough sense to do. And so in every country. Some we demand from our homeland that absolutely EVERYTHING with us is produced with a pointed finger in all sorts of Japan.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 22 2016 15: 49
      +6
      The landing gear is not stuck. During the first flights, the landing gear is not removed. Well, as for the new "Zero", so let them build it. Apparently, the case with the Fu-35 is not the case at all. Well, the design of engines with a variable thrust vector in Japanese, of course yes. Now More Koreans will make their own version and will see and compare what kind of birds it turned out.
      1. adept666
        adept666 April 22 2016 16: 03
        +2
        Well, the design of engines with variable thrust vector in Japanese of course yes
        It’s rather American-Germanic smile
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 April 22 2016 15: 58
      +11
      Quote: Muvka
      Chassis stuck chtol?

      Simple practice. The first test flight is made with the landing gear released.
    3. Scoun
      Scoun April 22 2016 16: 08
      +5
      Quote: Muvka
      In general, it looks like a chicken. Behind in general some squalor.

      + So not only reminded me of one plucked smoking from behind with an uncleaned chassis))))
    4. Portolan
      Portolan April 22 2016 16: 09
      +6
      Quote: Muvka
      Some we demand from our homeland that absolutely ALL of us


      Do you want engines to buy from Americans? what is this conversation about?
      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 22 2016 16: 14
        +7
        Quote: Portolan
        Quote: Muvka
        Some we demand from our homeland that absolutely ALL of us


        Do you want engines to buy from Americans? what is this conversation about?

        Of course not. Just at every opportunity, everyone blames the same Japan. There they say what country. Electronics, all things. And how it comes down to it, and their engines are American and machine tools (possibly) German and Voronezh presses. This is annoying.
    5. Saburo
      Saburo April 22 2016 16: 36
      +4
      By the way, noticed that the engines are not Japanese

      Japanese engines will be but not now. They are being developed by IHI Corporation. The company, which, incidentally, produced the first Japanese jet engine during WWII.
      After all, it is much more logical to buy American engines when there is such an opportunity and begin flight tests than to wait until the domestic engine is brought to mind.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 22 2016 16: 39
        +2
        Quote: Saburo
        By the way, noticed that the engines are not Japanese

        Japanese engines will be but not now. They are being developed by IHI Corporation. The company, which, incidentally, produced the first Japanese jet engine during WWII.
        After all, it is much more logical to buy American engines when there is such an opportunity and begin flight tests than to wait until the domestic engine is brought to mind.

        And what, there are no other domestic engines, huh? I, too, can announce the development of something, but to state and do are two different things.
    6. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 22 2016 17: 18
      +1
      "The chassis is stuck chtol?"
      What if they didn’t leave at the landing? belay
  3. pavelty
    pavelty April 22 2016 15: 40
    +5
    I thought they were far from flying, but no, well done on the other hand, of course
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      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 22 2016 15: 50
        +7
        Quote: lis-ik
        So they took it and did it without noise and dust, and most importantly without empty promises, as before in the USSR, and it will go into series soon. Where are you PAKFA fans? It is better to drive the SU-30 and SU-35 in large batches than to talk about PAKFA and Armata. Release what you can and do not spread rot brains!

        Our development is slower because our specialists are meticulous about their offspring. You take a look how many prototypes only for ground tests we have created. We check all the parameters very high quality. And this is window dressing. That's all.
        1. adept666
          adept666 April 22 2016 16: 06
          +4
          Our development is slower because our specialists are meticulous about their offspring. You take a look how many prototypes only for ground tests we have created. We check all the parameters very high quality. And this is window dressing. That's all.
          This is because we know how to make airplanes, and they only learn. So far this is only a prototype, but the dashing troubles began, initially no one took the Japanese subcompact seriously, especially in the United States, but history has shown who is who. There is a good executive engineering school in Japan, so how to know how to know is possible in 5-10 years we can have a serious competitor both in the air and in the market ...
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 22 2016 15: 48
      -26%
      So they took it and did it without noise and dust, and most importantly, without empty promises, as before in the USSR they silently took it and did it, and it will go into production soon. Where are you PAKFA fans? It’s better to drive the SU-30 and SU-35 in large batches than to talk about PAKFA and “Armata”. Release what you can and do not spread rot brains! Of course it is small and looks more like a superbike than an airplane, but everyone remembers the "zero" of the same corporation, so I think everything is serious there.
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg April 22 2016 16: 04
        +3
        There is no prophet in his native country, right?
      2. Fafnir
        Fafnir April 22 2016 16: 05
        +10
        Before writing any nonsense, read the characteristics of this very "Zero". am
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 22 2016 16: 48
          +1
          Quote: Fafnir
          Before writing any nonsense, read the characteristics of this very "Zero".

          Which did not stop him from having the Yankees, the first couple of years of the war?
          1. Forest
            Forest April 22 2016 17: 30
            +3
            Zerohs dominated the sky for less than a year, at the end of the 41, they started and by the middle of the 42, they finished when the Americans began to use different tactics of battle and more powerful planes went into battle. And at the beginning of the war, the Japanese often encountered 20-30's aircraft.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas April 22 2016 18: 01
              +2
              Quote: Forest
              Zerohs dominated the sky for less than a year, at the end of the 41, they started and by the middle of the 42, they finished when the Americans began to use different tactics of battle and more powerful planes went into battle. And at the beginning of the war, the Japanese often encountered 20-30's aircraft.

              Rather, they, combat pilots began to end abruptly. Well, you can’t argue against progress, although they had other planes, they just remembered Zero.
              1. Forest
                Forest April 22 2016 20: 00
                +2
                Good pilots began to disappear in the 43, when the Americans' superiority in the sky was not ensured by the quality of the aircraft, but by the monstrous size of the aircraft carrier fleet.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 22 2016 19: 27
            +2
            Quote: lelikas
            Which did not stop him from having the Yankees, the first couple of years of the war?

            Exclusively because of the hatred in the US political and military elite. Blinded by the theory of white supremacy, the Yankees simply could not believe that the Japanese could create something that could compete with American developments. "Their army is a congregation of bespectacled skinny underdogs armed with small things, their Air Force planes are bad copies of American and European planes"- these were the moods that prevailed in the US Armed Forces.
            And, accordingly, the Yankees did not bother with the development of tactical techniques and the preparation of pilots for battles with a light highly maneuverable fighter in time. Although the data on "Zero" they had - from the same Shannolt. But they were simply shelved.

            And only after the first losses - after the Philippines, New Guinea, the Coral Sea - only then did the Yankees begin to think about tactics. ICHH, they came up with it - a tactic that made it possible to fight on an equal footing with the "Zero" the same aircraft that in the first year of the war poured the Japanese almost dry. And when the Yankees fell into the hands of almost a whole "Zero" ... then the study of performance characteristics and weaknesses of the "Zero" was included even in the pilot training course.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik April 23 2016 14: 17
          -1
          The characteristics are quite at the level of the Second World War, the Americans pissed at the sight of him to the impossibility, hell knows who is sitting there, or a normal pilot or kamikaze!
      3. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg April 22 2016 16: 07
        +8
        So they took and did without noise and dust, and most importantly without empty promises,
        Compare the dynamics of takeoff with the T50, watch from 1.00. The Japanese "chicken" is not impressive either in appearance or in characteristics. Our military-industrial complex has made PAK FA and is already testing prototypes, but does not promise like japa
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 22 2016 16: 32
          -4
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          rather than promises like japas

          But they, if they promise, then they do, and ours, the deadlines are postponed.
          Offhand in the 10th year - we already had the first flight, and the Japanese - were just starting development - did we get a lot of cars during this time? I remember some who, already in the 15th year, promised a serial production.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka April 22 2016 16: 34
            +5
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            rather than promises like japas

            But they, if they promise, then they do, and ours, the deadlines are postponed.
            Offhand in the 10th year - we already had the first flight, and the Japanese - were just starting development - did we get a lot of cars during this time? I remember some who, already in the 15th year, promised a serial production.

            Do you think it will be adopted tomorrow? Well, it's funny.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas April 22 2016 16: 56
              -13%
              Quote: Muvka
              Do you think it will be adopted tomorrow? Well, it's funny.

              That is, do you think Putin is a funny balabol? (and these were his words). I did not pull his tongue.
              The Japanese just do it - neatly and quickly, just look at their fleet.
              I, of course, am glad, the jubilation of the hamsters in the sandbox - "- they have a chicken, and then our eagle!" - I remember a couple of times, in our history, this has already happened, and one of them with the Japanese. hi
              1. Yereke
                Yereke April 22 2016 21: 05
                0
                I won’t be surprised at it and the sixth generation is already developing, probably, where the robots will be .. they generally have a different civilization, cooler than in the west
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka April 22 2016 21: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Ereke
                  I won’t be surprised at it and the sixth generation is already developing, probably, where the robots will be .. they generally have a different civilization, cooler than in the west

                  Robots for our troops are good. All NATO troops would have switched to robots. That will be happiness. You can’t influence a person with electronic warfare systems and you can’t deceive him, but the robot ...
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik April 24 2016 13: 35
            0
            That's exactly what I wrote about, and not in any case according to the characteristics. We promise a lot, at the exit?
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 22 2016 17: 16
          +6
          We will be proud when two or three hundred of us stand on combat duty. And so - very slowly and a lot of idle talk. Criticism must be adequately perceived, it moves the case. And there are no evil critics on VO, except for running trolls and bots, but we already know them. like flaky. And the Japanese are closely watched over, serious guys. Although this glider can be recognized as a stealth offhand only with a big stretch, but the dynamics of entering the topic are impressive.
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik April 23 2016 14: 21
          +1
          I understand everything, they just got empty assurances from people close to this plane and generally about the next privatization program. You did not understand my subtext, because in 2017 the peak of orders, and then the conversion, and what about a promising weapon?
      4. svp67
        svp67 April 22 2016 16: 07
        +9
        Quote: lis-ik
        That's how they took and did without noise and dust, and most importantly without empty promises

        Well, of course, this is Japan ... Tell me, WHAT DID THEY DONE? How long will it take for this aircraft to enter service? And will it really have the characteristics of a "fifth generation" aircraft? In the meantime, I see that in stealth in the IR range, it is NOT ANYTHING, but it does not pull for the fifth generation.
        And most importantly, recently we have heard about fifth-generation aircraft of different countries, this is the Iranian Qaher F-313.
        , and Turkish TF-X, which is so far only in the draft and about the same Korean-Indonesian KF-X / IF-X. So what? It is not enough to proclaim and build a flying model, the main thing is to bring to mass production with acceptable characteristics.
        1. godofwar6699
          godofwar6699 April 23 2016 00: 16
          0
          fake fighter belay
      5. Simon
        Simon April 22 2016 17: 02
        +1
        My friend, do not dwell on what has been achieved, we must go forward and get ahead of everyone in technology. Japan is already stepping on its tail, although it is not known what this aircraft can do. That he is not visible to the radars is not a fact that he is the fifth generation.
      6. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 22 2016 17: 18
        +9
        Quote: lis-ik
        That's how they took and did without noise and dust, and most importantly, without empty promises, as they used to take and do silently in the USSR, and the series will go soon.

        You, dear, are sure that this Japanese fighter can generally be attributed to the 5th generation? The Japanese do not have a good school for building really good world-class fighters. Their whole school ended in the time of Zero.
        Quote: lis-ik
        Where are you cheering PAX fans?

        PAK FA will go into production next year. And from the 18th year the second-stage engine will be ready. In addition, an arsenal is being created under the T-50, in addition to the fighter itself.
        Quote: lis-ik
        It’s better to drive the SU-30 and SU-35 in large series,

        And the MO is purchasing them according to the approved plans.
        Quote: lis-ik
        than zaserat brain about PAKFA and "Armata".

        Just you are engaged in brain contamination with these posts. Armata has passed all the tests and goes to the troops. At the same time, a line of complexes that will be put on the Almaty platform has been determined.
        Quote: lis-ik
        Of course it is small and looks more like a superbike than an airplane, but everyone remembers the "zero" of the same corporation, so I think everything is serious there.

        And after Zero something good was created? It’s not like a super bike, but a training Czech L-39 Albatros. And the big question is that there it will have weapons, both in arsenal and in terms of thrust-weight ratio.
  4. Leto
    Leto April 22 2016 15: 40
    +19
    The dimensions of the machine say a lot:
    low fuel supply
    -Low load (the presence of internal compartments in question)
    - the small diameter of the bow is clearly weak radar, even if AFAR, then the number of PPM is less than 1 thousand.
  5. Teberii
    Teberii April 22 2016 15: 40
    +3
    Here are the Japanese without nerves without scandals all over the world, they are gathering slowly, and how they know how to assemble equipment is well known to everyone. If the Americans do not sell their Raptor.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 22 2016 15: 44
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      Here are the Japanese without nerves without scandals all over the world, they are gathering slowly, and how they know how to assemble equipment is well known to everyone. If the Americans do not sell their Raptor.

      What for them push through their lightning (and not raptors), if they have American engines, electronics and rockets? :)
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 22 2016 17: 36
      +5
      Quote: Teberii
      Here are the Japanese without nerves without scandals all over the world, they are gathering slowly, and how they know how to assemble equipment is well known to everyone. If the Americans do not sell their Raptor.

      To create a fighter of a good level, this is not a video player to bungle. From the beginning to the serial fighter, not many states in the world are able to create on their own today. Europe has cooperated and creates its own fighter, the same Koreans take technology from mattresses, just like the Chinese from us. I very much doubt that this aircraft will be a good fighter, let alone a 5th generation fighter.
  6. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 22 2016 15: 42
    +2
    It does not look beautiful, to put it mildly. Something is crooked. It is clear that the Japanese are stuffing it with advanced electronics, but the plane should look elegant, especially a fighter.
  7. poquello
    poquello April 22 2016 15: 42
    +1
    and what is the take-off weight of this single-seat car, something looks small
  8. svp67
    svp67 April 22 2016 15: 42
    +4
    So far, he is pulling something little for the fifth generation, since on the issue of low visibility in the infrared range they definitely have a complete failure, and this is one of the conditions for the plane to belong to the fifth generation.
  9. Nepoymikto.
    Nepoymikto. April 22 2016 15: 43
    +3
    A small Japanese airplane looks completely non-military. And it seems like it's a flight demonstrator and not a real plane?
  10. soroKING
    soroKING April 22 2016 15: 44
    +2
    he flew away ... but promised to return winked
  11. pavelty
    pavelty April 22 2016 15: 46
    +5
    The aircraft was built using stealth technology and uses composite materials. According to the Japanese Defense Ministry, the effective dispersion area of ​​ATD-X is greater than that of an insect, but smaller than that of a medium-sized bird.

    I read in Wiki - neighing)))
  12. Muvka
    Muvka April 22 2016 15: 47
    0
    By the way, did you notice the culture, so to speak? We have a bunch of prototype aircraft, first for ground tests, then for flight. And they checked (I suspect) anyhow on earth and let them into the sky. How can you expect good performance from such an aircraft? Therefore, our aircraft are the best. We take this much more seriously.
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 April 22 2016 15: 54
      +2
      What conclusions should be drawn from this article?
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose April 22 2016 16: 00
      +5
      Quote: Muvka
      By the way, did you notice the culture, so to speak? We have a bunch of prototype aircraft, first for ground tests, then for flight. And they checked (I suspect) anyhow on earth and let them into the sky.


      I join your opinion.
      A sort of Makar and Ukrainians can lift the L-39NG into the air, repainting it in the 5th generation. And for the same money, they and the moonshine engines will teach you how to work.
      Although, maybe I'm mistaken about Japanese technologies and test methods for aircraft. We will see. Time will tell.
  13. kamski
    kamski April 22 2016 15: 49
    +3
    Well, something is not ice, something is wrong there
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 22 2016 15: 53
      +12
      Quote: kamski
      Well, something is not ice, something is wrong there

      Yes Yes. I understood this when I saw how their tankers eliminated the caterpillar discharge on their tank ...
      1. RUSOIVAN
        RUSOIVAN April 22 2016 16: 34
        +3
        it seems: deadline-never!)
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      2. Victor bg
        Victor bg April 22 2016 17: 23
        +2
        drinks good Thank! Neighing ..
      3. Simon
        Simon April 22 2016 17: 24
        +3
        It is a pity that the Japanese do not know the Russian word "Japanese-mother", they would have done it faster. recourse laughing
      4. Felix
        Felix April 22 2016 18: 15
        0
        Quote: svp67

        Yes Yes. I understood this when I saw how their tankers eliminated the caterpillar discharge on their tank ...


        Thank you comrade) drinks laughed)
        I understand, of course, this is a difficult and difficult task, but the guys on the video look surprisingly stupid)
      5. chebman
        chebman April 22 2016 20: 28
        0
        My relative works on a rotational basis in Japan - they build houses from glued beams. Everything in Japan is good, he said. But the house that our people raise in two weeks, the Japanese themselves raise in 1,5 months. Weaned to work with hands request
      6. the villain
        the villain April 22 2016 22: 36
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Yes Yes. I understood this when I saw how their tankers eliminated the caterpillar discharge on their tank ...

        Goose who flew off the tank
        Yamyamy sons repaired
        Remember Sergey Lavrov fellow
  14. Engineer
    Engineer April 22 2016 15: 54
    0
    Quote: Muvka
    Chassis stuck chtol? In general, it looks like a chicken. There is some kind of squalor in the back ... By the way, they noticed that the engines are not Japanese. They do not have enough sense to do. And so in every country. Some we demand from our homeland that absolutely EVERYTHING with us is produced with a pointed finger in all sorts of Japan.


    The first flight is always with the landing gear released. Engines Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries (IHI) XF5. You guess where?
  15. Black_PR
    Black_PR April 22 2016 16: 05
    +3
    Sorry, of course ... I just didn’t understand something or is his chassis not being removed? The pilot didn’t remove them (or such an idea?) The question is not idle - I’m a military pilot (retired) ...))
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 April 22 2016 16: 56
      +4
      Quote: Black_PR
      The question is not idle - I'm a military pilot (retired) ...))

      Before the first flight, control taxiing and control runs are carried out. The task of the first flight is to take flight characteristics, figuratively speaking, how an airplane behaves in the air. A box is made above the airfield. Therefore, the landing gear is not removed, well, in which case, in order not to decompose the plane, the plane should the exhaust system fail.
  16. Muvka
    Muvka April 22 2016 16: 18
    0
    Quote: Engineer
    Quote: Muvka
    Chassis stuck chtol? In general, it looks like a chicken. There is some kind of squalor in the back ... By the way, they noticed that the engines are not Japanese. They do not have enough sense to do. And so in every country. Some we demand from our homeland that absolutely EVERYTHING with us is produced with a pointed finger in all sorts of Japan.


    The first flight is always with the landing gear released. Engines Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries (IHI) XF5. You guess where?

    Stop kicking me for the chassis. Well, I did not know. And after the first comment, I realized :)
  17. AFG-X
    AFG-X April 22 2016 16: 25
    +1
    The smaller F-18 resembles in appearance.
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 April 22 2016 20: 08
      0
      ..............
  18. demo
    demo April 22 2016 17: 02
    +2
    He flew away. But he promised to return.
  19. iouris
    iouris April 22 2016 17: 06
    0
    The engine does not seem to be noisy, does not smoke ...
    I wonder what is inside of him?
  20. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 April 22 2016 17: 07
    0
    By the standard prototype, it flies from one platform to another, what’s wrong? By the number of prototypes-ridiculous opinions — how do you know how many there are. Engines will definitely be different on serial planes (as well as on PAK-FA), now they probably work out glider control systems, overall stability and controllability in flight. Usual practice, everything is done the same with us.
  21. Bradypodidae
    Bradypodidae April 22 2016 17: 10
    +1
    Amers need their own F-35 to someone vparivat. So I think they (Japan) will not let them proizvodit.Budet the same as when it was with Israeli "Ari", "Lavi" ...
  22. Holsten
    Holsten April 22 2016 17: 48
    0
    "I am tormented by vague doubts" associated with the undoubted similarity of the 5th generation models.
  23. Taoist
    Taoist April 22 2016 17: 49
    +1
    Well, in fact, this is not a fighter yet ... Advanced Technology Demonstrator X - a technology demonstrator is not a combat aircraft. At least it is not clear where on this "flying stand" the weapons compartment can be located ...
  24. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 22 2016 18: 00
    +1
    The Japanese know how to do the technique.
    And they are serious warriors.
    One must be alert in the Far East ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 22 2016 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The Japanese know how to do the technique.
      And they are serious warriors.
      One must be alert in the Far East ...

      You can find out in which wars they participated in the next 70 years? This is about the quality of their military potential.
  25. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 22 2016 19: 12
    0
    Now I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended! laughing

    That is not to underestimate the Japanese, it is an outstanding nation.

    We underestimated them in the 1904 year. Remind me what happened in the Tsushima Strait?

    All European colonial powers underestimated them in the 1940 year. Remind me what happened at Pearl Harbor?

    What is their trick? stealth. It seems to me that the Japanese have really efficient airplanes that they are hiding banally. It happened exactly the same way at the end of 1930x - they flew in China on old types and everyone thought that the Japanese could only copy and could not build a single modern machine.

    And suddenly "Zero" appears! absolutely out of nowhere and unexpectedly for everyone! and begins to knock American, British, Chinese, French and Dutch equipment in batches!
    1. Rash
      Rash April 23 2016 07: 01
      +1
      This all worked before the advent of satellite espionage. Since then, the secrecy of promising aircraft has lost its relevance. EMNIP, ours also got out when flying new planes against amerskih satellites: they flew only in "windows", in cloudy weather, etc. But it didn't help much. And now, when Google satellites are on the prowl to capture this, stealth is generally impossible.
  26. chebman
    chebman April 22 2016 19: 23
    0
    European auto giants spend on the development of a new car model in the region of € 1 billion, and then the 5 generation fighter for $ 335 million .. Who is deceiving whom?
  27. 501Legion
    501Legion April 22 2016 19: 28
    0
    Well done, of course, that they built a plane, and not much money was left.
    but he does not look beautiful. and generally does not feel the elegance of the 5th generation in it. coloring may be affected by xs.
  28. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 22 2016 19: 30
    +1
    Quote: AVA77
    Pancake! Sorry, I wanted to put a plus, but I slammed a minus, I owe you your impressions. I completely agree. Somehow, it’s not combat, it’s more like a training

    He’s not at all fighting not the 5th generation. Here, countries with vast experience in the aircraft industry have been struggling for years, and here they built it on you, on Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, for a penny and for three years. At least kill I do not believe. In my opinion this is a deep modernization of the old Japanese fighter 70s. years. If you add composites to the design, it will not become 5m. generation. And further. Is it so with the chassis not removed and flew? Or did something immediately fail?
  29. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 22 2016 19: 44
    +2
    Quote: Pvi1206
    The Japanese know how to do the technique.
    And they are serious warriors.
    One must be alert in the Far East ...

    Yes they do mobile phones and cars. So what? What war did they win? In Russian-Japanese? The issue is also controversial. They fought with amers, so even they crushed them. And lastly. Remember the vaunted millionth Kwantung army that occupied the floor of China. Just saw the Soviet Army, surrendered two weeks later in 1945. And this despite the fact that the morale of the Japanese was very high. The descendants of the samurai ran out.
  30. goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx April 22 2016 19: 44
    0
    a couple of months ago it seemed like there was an article about the 5th generation and they wrote about yap that they have a current layout and that one doesn’t look like an airplane, but now the layout flew-and again doesn’t look like ...- it’s necessary that we or Marov - With a standing ovation, loud statements, a postponement of the time for a billion? - Then it will be an airplane, right?
    1. chebman
      chebman April 22 2016 20: 10
      0
      The funny thing is that a couple of months ago the same amount of $ 335 million was spent on the development of this aircraft. That is, development continues, and the amount of costs froze at a magic mark No.
    2. Fafnir
      Fafnir April 22 2016 20: 21
      +1
      I wonder if you know what a "technology demonstrator" is? If you are not aware, then this is not a finished product yet. And the Japanese project is precisely a "technology demonstrator", albeit an "advanced" one wink And the finished plane is still very far away.
      1. chebman
        chebman April 22 2016 20: 38
        0
        IL-76 LL is also a technology demonstrator, but no one ranks it among the 5 generation fighters.
        1. Fafnir
          Fafnir April 22 2016 21: 01
          0
          The question was not for you smile , and Leshem at number 74. And the Il-76 LL is a "flying laboratory", a "technology demonstrator" is something else.
  31. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 April 22 2016 20: 10
    0
    Quote: godofwar6699
    ..............
    1. chebman
      chebman April 22 2016 20: 13
      -3
      Judging by the photo, you need to spend another $ 335 million on a retractable landing gear.
      1. Yereke
        Yereke April 22 2016 21: 07
        +3
        yes, my friend, it’s hard to reason with the brow, if you don’t understand the current in technology .. ALWAYS don’t remove the chassis in the first test flights, it’s not for you to chop drafts in the air
  32. VP
    VP April 22 2016 20: 57
    +1
    Some kind of him ... There is no military aesthetics in him, or something ...
    If the F-35 is called a penguin, this one I would call an eared penguin.
    The vertical plumage seems disproportionately large. Perhaps they are trying to correct some problems with handling due to it.
  33. soroKING
    soroKING April 22 2016 21: 22
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    The engine does not seem to be noisy, does not smoke ...
    I wonder what is inside of him?

    two north Koreans on long grain rice wassat
  34. VP
    VP April 22 2016 21: 26
    +3
    Based on its size, it should have a small internal compartment.
    Those. small ammunition. And whether the anti-ship will fit into it is a question.
    On the ground, it is most likely not intended.
    The radius without PTB, I think, is 700 kilometers, but this is enough for Yap.
  35. Lens
    Lens April 22 2016 22: 44
    0
    Well done ipona mother. They did not enter a labor union with anyone, but themselves, with quiet water, created what they needed. I would not be surprised if he does the same f 22 on the electronic board. A kind of "zero" of the twenty-first century.
    1. VP
      VP April 23 2016 09: 45
      0
      Who said what they created?
      Three more years will be done at least. This is if everything will be perfect.
  36. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 23 2016 20: 36
    -1
    Some kind of ugly ...
    But the S-130 pleased.