Ukrainian “Malyshev Plant” is preparing to release 1500-strong tank engine

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Kharkov State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" develops and prepares for release tank 6TD-3 engine rated at 1500 hp bmpd with reference to the press service of the enterprise.

Ukrainian “Malyshev Plant” is preparing to release 1500-strong tank engine
Tank diesel engine 6TD-3 developed by the Kharkov engine design bureau GP "Malyshev Plant. Dimensional model from the exhibition REA-2011 in Nizhny Tagil in 2011 year

This message was published following a visit to the plant of the Lithuanian delegation.

"The manufacture of the engine, its improvement and modernization, installation on the combat vehicle is a process that is completely fixated on the enterprise," the release says.

According to the information, “as part of the delegation that visited the plant. Malysheva, were the Minister of Protection of the Territory of Lithuania Juozas Olekas, the Director of the Department of Policy and Planning of the Lithuanian Ministry of State Protection Gedre Statkeviciuts, the Head of the Center for Military Training. General Adolfas Ramanauskas Algirdas Norkus ".

"The guests from Lithuania took part in the stationary testing of the tank, inspected the engines, learned about their purpose and features."

Help bmpd: “Apparently, we are talking about a diesel engine 6TD-3 - the latest derivation of the family of Kharkov tank two-stroke diesel engines 5TD / 6TD. 6TD-3 engine in the power class 1400-1500 HP It was started by the creation of the Kharkov engine-building design bureau (HKBD) as far back as 1980 for the promising Molot tank. However, the development of 6TD-3 stretched out for many years. For the first time, the overall layout of the 6TD-3 engine was publicly demonstrated in September 2011 of the year in Nizhny Tagil, and even then it was announced that 6TD-3 was preparing for mass production. As you can see, this preparation continues to this day. The ability of HKDB and the Malyshev Plant to bring this engine to acceptable levels of reliability and resource in the current production and economic conditions in Ukraine is doubtful. ”
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  1. +20
    April 22 2016 11: 39
    "In the current production and economic conditions in Ukraine."

    Which ones? )))
    1. +24
      April 22 2016 11: 46
      I'm more interested in what kind of car are they going to put it on?
      On their t80 are 1000-1250ls. And the t80 itself is a deep modernization of the t64.
      That is, Ukraine DOES NOT have a car that would require a 1500ls engine.

      How do they plan to make money on this?
      Sell ​​an engine without a car? Who needs it ...
      Put these engines on the old t80? Too much.
      Develop a new heavy machine that needs such an engine? It is long, expensive, and it is not clear whether there will be an order for it.

      And we take the ideal option that the engine turned out to be good and cost-effective in terms of price and resource.
      In general, the next incomprehensible peremoga - which then spills out into the bucket with a cut of dough. Tse Ukraine.

      PS
      for a promising tank "Hammer"
      it is not suitable, because the state of this tank for today is as follows:
      1. +4
        April 22 2016 11: 51
        Quote: Darkmor
        I'm more interested in what kind of car are they going to put it on?
        On their t80 are 1000-1250ls. And the t80 itself is a deep modernization of the t64.
        That is, Ukraine DOES NOT have a car that would require a 1500ls engine.

        Probably the laurels of "Armata" are like a bone in their throat. bully
        1. +42
          April 22 2016 11: 55
          Ohhhh. This engine is the whole story.
          There was such an Object-477 in Soviet times. Its development was carried out, including in the Kharkov region. It was also called the promising Hammer tank.
          The project was declared unsuccessful. Then the USSR collapsed, but ambition remained.

          And so, when the T-14 Armata was released, another legend appeared at the proto-chambers.
          The T-14 was insolently copied from the Ukrainian tank (which, by the way, does not exist in nature) which was called the "Hammer". Among Ukrainians, this tank is considered Ukrainian, and it is believed that it is either there or will be soon.

          And this engine, according to legend, should move this very "Hammer", object-477, and move right up to Sakhalin.
          And today Ukrainians believe that this is their tank. And that they have it somewhere. Where exactly they do not know, but still.
          1. +6
            April 22 2016 14: 49
            And so, when the T-14 Armata was released, another legend appeared at the proto-chambers.
            T-14 was insolently copied from a Ukrainian tank

            Why don’t you know? All the tanks of the world are copied from the tank, which was invented by the Ukrainians in the distant and immemorial times, when Ukraine was the cradle of mankind. wassat
            1. 0
              April 22 2016 22: 18
              Well, actually, if all prejudices are discarded, then all modern tanks came out of T 34. Whatever they say, but this is primarily the brainchild of the Kharkov plant.
              1. +5
                April 22 2016 22: 55
                If all prejudices are discarded, then all modern tanks came from the French RENAULT FT-17.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2016 08: 38
                  Well, that’s true, but the modern concept of the tank was worked out by Koshkin and everyone still uses it and hasn’t come up with a new one so far. Armata has not yet shown itself in battle, and how this technology will behave is not clear.
                  Even Merkava, although it has some unique features, but the general concept is also preserved from the T 34. And no one in the world for some reason is trying to build tanks in the likeness of Merkava.
                  Well, the French also build their Leclerc on the concept of T 34 ... well, not like on FT
                2. 0
                  April 23 2016 08: 41
                  A kind of "Adam" tank building!
              2. 0
                April 23 2016 08: 40
                A T-34 development of the "platform" T3 (M1931) Christie.
          2. +1
            April 22 2016 19: 34
            They have there already on the basis of T 64 a new "miracle" tank is being developed - "Tirex"
      2. +2
        April 22 2016 14: 35
        Quote: Darkmor
        And the t80 itself is a deep modernization of the t64.

        Well, VERY deep, with the similarity of the silhouettes of the T-80, a completely different machine than the T-64, precisely in the constructive plan.
        Quote: Darkmor
        On their t80 are 1000-1250ls. AND

        They now have BM "Oplot", which is a modernization of the T-80UD and for it such an engine, as well as for the old T-80UD, is quite normal, allowing to bring the specific force per tonne of weight to a very high level. This means increased agility on the battlefield.
        1. Alf
          +2
          April 22 2016 22: 14
          Quote: svp67
          They now have BM "Oplot", which is a modernization of the T-80UD and for it such an engine, as well as for the old T-80UD, is quite normal, allowing to bring the specific force per tonne of weight to a very high level. This means increased agility on the battlefield.

          But will the transmission withstand the new power density indicators? If you put an engine from a Ferrari on the VAZ-2101, it is unlikely that the penny will accelerate even to 200, not to mention 250.
          1. +1
            April 22 2016 23: 25
            Quote: Alf
            But will the transmission withstand the new power density indicators?

            That is a good question.
            1. Alf
              +2
              April 22 2016 23: 33
              Quote: GSH-18
              That is a good question.

              Thank you I always try to talk about the case, although sometimes I get a laugh at Razdolby.
      3. 0
        April 22 2016 16: 53
        They probably want to put this engine on the upgraded T-64s, and increase their capacity, probably because the tank becomes heavier with modernization ... Or maybe some new tank is being prepared in series ... Do not think that with that the parties are fools ...
        1. Alf
          +4
          April 22 2016 22: 19
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Or maybe some new tank is being prepared in series ..

          This one?
          1. 0
            April 22 2016 23: 37
            This shit truck is likely to have been handed over.
      4. 0
        April 22 2016 21: 27
        Like the T-70.
      5. Alf
        +1
        April 22 2016 22: 11
        Quote: Darkmor
        And the t80 itself is a deep modernization of the t64.

        T-64 was developed in Kharkov. T-80-in Leningrad.
        The engine is different, the chassis is different, the booking is different. And where is the modernization?
    2. +6
      April 22 2016 11: 47
      I am not special in such engines. If he is good, then it is probably worth the Kharkiv people and the region to think about what kind of power to continue to live with. Now they exist.
      1. Art
        0
        April 22 2016 11: 51
        Good point! All the same, in Kharkov began our tank construction. And I consider the Kharkov land itself to be temporarily separated from us.
        1. +13
          April 22 2016 13: 14
          Quote: Kunst
          Good point! All the same, in Kharkov began our tank construction. And I consider the Kharkov land itself to be temporarily separated from us.

          Our tank building did not begin in Kharkov, the design bureau was simply transferred there.
        2. +10
          April 22 2016 13: 49
          Domestic tank building (serial production, not pilot work) began in the mid-20s at the Obukhov plant in St. Petersburg with an adapted clone of the custody FT-17 under the name MS-1.
      2. 0
        April 22 2016 11: 59
        Kharkov State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" develops and prepares for release a 6TD-3 tank engine with a capacity of 1500 hp.

        Quote: Michael67
        I am not special in such engines.

        And what about metallurgy in Ukraine now ?! Will the Malyshev Plant be supplied with the alloys necessary for this engine, or will they follow the Chinese path in the current realities?
        1. +5
          April 22 2016 12: 19
          Wishful thinking is the only thing the past and present Kiev authorities have learned. If this were not so, now Ukraine would have a modern tank (maybe with this very TD-6). But alas ... God did not give horns to a vigorous cow.
        2. +4
          April 22 2016 12: 20
          Quote: Starover_Z

          And how are things with metallurgy in Ukraine now?


          It’s bad with metallurgy - it ends in scrap metal ... I'm not joking, it’s real.
          1. 0
            April 23 2016 08: 43
            Yes, and the armor is cracking!
      3. +2
        April 22 2016 12: 34
        Quote: Michael67
        I am not special in such engines. If he is good, then it is probably worth the Kharkiv people and the region to think about what kind of power to continue to live with. Now they exist.

        For Malyshev, there are no prospects either under the current government for obvious reasons, all the more so as part of Russia or under a protectorate, it will crush it.
        1. +6
          April 22 2016 12: 55
          I propose to put here, these production kakly will definitely master.
          1. +1
            April 22 2016 23: 15
            Quote: Pavel Tsybay
            I propose to put here, these production kakly will definitely master.

            If not all tires on their maidan have burned yet lol
      4. +1
        April 22 2016 13: 09
        Quote: Michael67
        I am not special in such engines. If he is good, then it is probably worth the Kharkiv people and the region to think about what kind of power to continue to live with. Now they exist.

        I already wrote above. This two-stroke engine traces its lineage, like the L-60 of the Leyland firm from the German aircraft diesel Junkers Yumo-205. The British abandoned this engine already on the Challenger tanks. There is an article on the Junkers Yumo-205 diesel engine in Wiki, though short There is a book by N.K. Ryazantsev on the net. "Motors and Fates" about tank diesel engines of the Kharkov plant. According to this scheme, 10D100 diesel engines for diesel locomotives are produced.
        1. 0
          April 23 2016 08: 45
          I have known about Leyland for a long time and I wonder why the British didn’t put it horizontally? Inertia of thinking?
    3. +1
      April 22 2016 23: 08
      Kharkov SE "Malyshev Plant" develops and prepares for release a 6TD-3 tank engine with a capacity of 1500 hp

      Well, okay. A little shameful with a tambourine, and voila fellow from diesel dvigla unexpectedly and very sharply belay (and as well as possible lol ) suddenly there was a super-advanced tank engine! wassat
      Just fantastic.
      More pearl
      “Guests from Lithuania took part in stationary test tank, examined the engines, learned about their purpose and features "

      Ahh! From it what! The engine is the same for the tractor, which this stationary tank will pull everywhere lol And in peacetime it will also be possible to plow on it.
  2. +8
    April 22 2016 11: 41
    Ministry of the protection of the territory of Lithuania

    border guards or what? laughing
    1. +6
      April 22 2016 11: 46
      And interestingly, they protect which region, only the one that is from Russia? Is the edge of Lithuania protected from the opposite side? laughing
      1. +7
        April 22 2016 11: 50
        Quote: Kent0001
        And interestingly, they protect which region, only the one that is from Russia? Is the edge of Lithuania protected from the opposite side?

        In Lithuania, only one region is the whole country. And without a threat from Russia, it’s the edge. smile
      2. +4
        April 22 2016 12: 21
        There is a legend that the world does not stand on 3 whales, but on 3 Baltic tigers that hunt in dense forests at the very edge of the earth. This is the land they guard. something like this.
      3. 0
        April 22 2016 13: 26
        Quote: Kent0001
        And interestingly, they protect which region, only the one that is from Russia? Is the edge of Lithuania protected from the opposite side? laughing

        it’s too late to protect the region from the opposite side - the whole country is already captured by NATO, which they don’t even suspect smile
      4. 0
        April 22 2016 15: 33
        And interestingly, they protect which region, only the one that is from Russia?

        This will be a very reckless act on the part of the Lithuanian guys, because legends go about the cunning and sophistication of the Russians, and suddenly they will come from another edge. And there are no valiant guardians with binoculars and a dog. wink
    2. 0
      April 22 2016 12: 03
      This is what they call the military department.
  3. +1
    April 22 2016 11: 41
    Why do they need this engine? What will they move?
    1. +4
      April 22 2016 11: 47
      Quote: Captive
      Why do they need this engine? What will they move?

      They’ll put it on their infamous “Tank from garbage cans,” probably.
    2. +1
      April 22 2016 11: 50
      Quote: Captive
      Why do they need this engine? What will they move?

      ---------------------
      Apparently a locksmith filed the dusty sample and sawed it to the public. Seriously, all this is more like PR. It is unlikely that this will result in something massive.
    3. +4
      April 22 2016 11: 52
      Article March 26, 2014
      (http://army-news.ru/2014/03/novyj-kitajskij-tank-mbt-3000-budet-gotov-cherez-2-


      goda /)

      It reads:
      ... Soon after the first demonstration of advertising materials on the MBT-3000 project (China), information appeared about the power plant of the new tank. It was planned to install a 1200 hp diesel engine on the machine. According to other sources, the new armored car could get an engine of a different model, the power of which reaches 1300 hp. In addition, the possibility of forcing the engine to a power of 1500 hp was not ruled out. It was argued that the new diesel engines are fully manufactured at Chinese enterprises, so that the construction of a new tank does not depend on foreign manufacturers.


      Now we read excerpts from our article:

      "Apparently, we are talking about a diesel engine 6TD-3 - the latest derivation of the family of Kharkov tank two-stroke diesel engines 5TD / 6TD. The 6TD-3 engine in the 1400-1500 hp class was started by the creation at the Kharkov Engine Design Bureau (KHKBD ) back in the 1980s for the promising Hammer tank, but the development of the 6TD-3 lasted for many years. For the first time, the overall layout of the 6TD-3 engine was publicly demonstrated in September 2011 in Nizhny Tagil, and even then it was announced about the preparation of 6TD-3 for serial production .... "

      What I mean - Specialists from the "Malyshev Plant" have been working in China (or for China) for a long time. By the way, the Nikolaev shipbuilders were also noticed during the completion of the first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" .....
  4. +2
    April 22 2016 11: 42
    Minister of the Environment of Lithuania Juozas Olekas
    What is this ministry? request And what is the "edge"?
  5. +1
    April 22 2016 11: 42
    Well, who needs it, where will they put it? Especially in a situation like in / on banderlog.
  6. +1
    April 22 2016 11: 44
    And what about the Baltic states? Brakes for a non-existent tank?
  7. 0
    April 22 2016 11: 44
    with 2011 files finish No.
  8. +2
    April 22 2016 11: 45
    Why are they protecting Lithuania only from the whole land?

    If the motor is worth something, the Chinese will buy a couple of pieces and quickly multiply them in a Chinese copier.
    1. 0
      April 22 2016 11: 50
      Well, naturally from ours, and there is something to protect, they are European.
  9. +3
    April 22 2016 11: 48
    “Guests from Lithuania took part in a stationary test of the tank, examined the engines, found out about their appointment and features. "

    The main thing was explained to the guests from Lithuania why such an engine is needed. The question only arises - are they so stupid in Lithuania or so "smart" in Ukraine? And how much joy that the Lithuanians themselves watched this "miracle", but they (the Lithuanians) do not care about these engines.
    1. +1
      April 22 2016 11: 59
      And how much joy that the Lithuanians themselves watched this "miracle", but they (the Lithuanians) do not care about these engines.

      What, you so. Here are the children playing the same doctor. Ah, these two great powers play engineers. Let them. One joy left: show and see winked
    2. +1
      April 22 2016 11: 59
      What, and were allowed to touch with their hands ?!
      1. +2
        April 22 2016 12: 22
        Allowed, but only the engine.
        1. 0
          April 22 2016 12: 23
          What a bummer!
  10. +2
    April 22 2016 11: 53
    Why do they need engines if there are no tanks? Details herehttp://tehnowar.ru/40780-tankovyy-pozor-ukrainy.html (Tank disgrace of Ukraine)
  11. +2
    April 22 2016 11: 53
    There is no doubt that the ability of the HKBD and the Malyshev Plant to bring this engine to acceptable levels of reliability and resource in the current conditions in Ukraine is simply impossible!
  12. +1
    April 22 2016 11: 54
    They won’t bring it. I do not believe in miracles. And industrial production in Maidania can save only a miracle.
    1. -1
      April 22 2016 20: 13
      Mountain Shooter

      Who knows ... Maybe allies will help, they will be interested.

      I am the Russian Federation, I mean.

      The junta will not be in Ukraine for long.
  13. 0
    April 22 2016 11: 55
    "Shy" to show it to their overseas bosses! God forbid, the question will arise: and sho, do you still have some kind of industry left ?! Come on, come on!
  14. +2
    April 22 2016 12: 01
    The end comes Khokhlov - the Lithuanians are already asking the price for Kharkov.
  15. +3
    April 22 2016 12: 03
    Burning with this engine, they’ll grab it above the roof. The British refused a similar ICE scheme. By the way, the roots of these diesels are the same as the English L-60, the Kharkov TD and TDF, 2-stroke Junkers Yumo 205 with the PDP.
  16. +1
    April 22 2016 12: 13
    I admit that 1 instance can and pile Yes and maybe even be brought to mind. A series - they will not be pulled for anything.
  17. 0
    April 22 2016 12: 15
    It is commendable, but hard to believe.
    ZIM apparently thus wants to raise money for the enterprise to develop this engine.

    The war and everything connected with it is perhaps the only way to earn (or steal, which is more likely) at least some money in Ukraine
  18. +1
    April 22 2016 12: 30
    There are engines for helicopters but no helicopters themselves.
    There are engines for tanks, but there is no production of tanks because there is no production of guns for them (an attempt to establish production of guns for tanks and gun barrels in Sumy over the years of independence failed miserably, and after the failure of the patrols it turned out that Ukraine had lost the technology of high-quality welding of armored steel.
    There are turbines for ships, but there are no ships themselves.

    The next period Ruins in Ukraine.
  19. VP
    +1
    April 22 2016 12: 48
    And for what labuses drove something?
    They will not buy anyway.
    And "give pennies" to the bestol - the Labus themselves do not.
    What was the meaning of this boardwalk?
    Show off to older comrades?
  20. +2
    April 22 2016 12: 49
    Angles tormented with tank two-stroke, spat. The Japanese tormented and also spat. And only the Malysheviks continue to pervert with the descendants of the Junkers suitcase, in a side pose. Well, packs still, by their grace, with these engines kamasutra
  21. +4
    April 22 2016 12: 59
    Quote: DMB_95
    Quote: Captive
    Why do they need this engine? What will they move?

    They’ll put it on their infamous “Tank from garbage cans,” probably.

    Correctly only one tank and only one engine, but the best in the world, is explained in the photo.
    1. 0
      April 23 2016 11: 38
      They do not need an engine laughing
  22. +3
    April 22 2016 13: 06
    [quote = Darkmor] I'm more interested in what machine they are going to put it on? [quote]
    Rightly noted, when I was a commander of a tank company, I had 2 "64", even in summer you can't start without a heater, and this is the weakest link, it always breaks down and to get it, a dwarf mechanic needs to climb under the MZ. Here, I see the same adiabatic 2-stroke diesel engine, it can be brought to mind, although I would not want to have such machines in my division! Yes, there were also 13 "80" BVs, pride, you will never forget!
  23. 0
    April 22 2016 13: 12
    junk give out for a new engine, changed the nameplate, repainted ..
  24. +2
    April 22 2016 13: 53
    Read the story of this diesel engine. Moody, unreliable, problems with operation in the winter. Even in the summer, the pre-heater was started. And about the requirements for oil in general it is better to remain silent. A special chemotological laboratory was created at the plant. Money swelled into this piece of iron-Mama Do not Cry ...
  25. 0
    April 22 2016 15: 10
    The question is not that the Ukrainians made the engine, the question to whom will they sell it? Large manufacturers: China, USA, Germany, Korea, France, Russia ... maybe someone forgot. Ukraine itself does not need much, China makes licensed MTUs, the rest of its diesels .... Turkey remains with Altai, Pakistan. But there are risks in deliveries, and sharpening your armored vehicles for a troubled diesel supplier is not serious. If we consider the modernization market, then it is also not so large. T-54-55-72 was mainly delivered abroad, but T-64 was not supplied. Namely, he is imprisoned for boxer diesel.
  26. 0
    April 22 2016 15: 10
    Quote: chauffeur
    Read the story of this diesel engine. Moody, unreliable,

    I wonder where such stories come from? Of course, you can troll Ukrainians. But not all in a row. The motor is quite reliable. The first version - 6TD - back in the USSR, appeared in 1985. The T-80UD tank passed all tests and was put into service. And if you managed to force this unit to 1500 liters. with. - this is serious. Another thing is that in order to establish its production, money, materials, specialists are needed ... But there is a big question in their availability.
  27. +6
    April 22 2016 15: 13
    I have a godfather for Malyshev, I recently came to visit, to go all-nothing 80 km. First I spent it at grocery stores because Ukrainian. all the time propaganda taldychit that the northern neighbor has hellish hunger, there is no food on sale, and everyone ate drunk hedgehogs. what he saw plunged him into confusion and shock - all the shops were filled up with a bucket and the prices for it were mostly cheaper than in Kharkov Now, on business: according to a quite competent and adequate opinion, Kuma now doesn’t even talk about the production of engines of the previous generation - the production cycle of engine production has been lost forever, casting has long been gone, and engines are made from blocks that were brought from dumps, including and from Russia, they restore it on their knees and push it out through the checkpoint. For the rest of the production cycles, everything is the same. What is 6td-3 there? although for exhibitions one can be bungled as mentioned above with files.
  28. +3
    April 22 2016 15: 16
    Tank diesel engines of the 5TDF, 6 TDF family are the MOST capricious and requiring complex conditions for their maintenance in the field. In fact, this engine is stillborn, as Ukrainians will solve the problem of an air purifier and observing the temperature regime of operation. With 5, TDF at these points was an eternal hemorrhoid, especially in the summer. So hohlam good luck in the minefield.
  29. +1
    April 22 2016 15: 33
    In the original source, the engine designs made a good analysis, it turned out that the piston base modification was overheated, and then it was forced. I do not believe (s) wassat
  30. +2
    April 22 2016 16: 53
    Quote: Andrey 447
    With 5 TDF at these points, there was an eternal hemorrhoid, especially in the summer.

    When served we cursed these engines. What summer, they didn’t work a damn thing in winter either. The B-46 seemed like a fairy tale after 5TDF.
    1. 0
      April 22 2016 20: 04
      And in my unit ZIL-131 did not want to start. Such competent service was. But the lack of fuel was 23 tons per battalion. If there are no specialists who can service and operate complex equipment, this does not always mean that the equipment is bad.
      1. 0
        April 22 2016 21: 31
        If God forbid war, where will you find "specialists who know how to maintain and operate complex equipment"? In war and fuck, you don't need a capricious and "complicated" technique.
        1. -2
          April 22 2016 21: 55
          And I'm not saying that the 6TD is complex and moody. Just any equipment you need to be able to service, even the simplest. And do not bring it to the bestial state. My friend was an urgent friend in the tank. So there the covers of demobilization albums were made of plastic, with which the tank was sheathed from the inside to protect it from radiation. And do not start the engine, equipped with a pneumatic start system - this still needs to be managed.
  31. +1
    April 22 2016 21: 44
    My buddy on a snowmobile has a two-stroke cycle. Maybe Canadians are interested? recourse
  32. aba
    0
    April 23 2016 01: 06
    Che guess what, the time will come - we find out.
    Although what to expect and so everything is clear!
  33. 0
    April 23 2016 01: 23
    Chot 3D20 from the BMP reminded ....... Why do they need a "horizontal line on a tank? Especially a 2-tactnik .. ////
  34. 0
    April 23 2016 02: 26
    From the bus MAGIRUS copied the engine!
  35. +1
    April 23 2016 08: 31
    Azovec car ...

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