Media: US Air Force is looking for a replacement for a veteran helicopter

The US Air Force is looking for a replacement for the Vietnam War veteran - a helicopter UH-1 Huey, which intend to withdraw from the armed forces, reports RIA News Post Washington Post.

"At the moment, the Air Force is considering all the options, since it is necessary to satisfy all needs," said the representative of the USAF Anne Stefanek.

For the first time, the question of replacing cars was raised at the beginning of 1990's. At that time, the choice was made in favor of the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. UH-1 remained in the Air Force, but without the right to participate in combat operations.

About 60 UH-1 are currently in operation. They perform various tasks not related to combat work. According to the newspaper, "some of them are on duty at sites with intercontinental ballistic missiles and perform search and rescue operations."

Help agency: “Multipurpose UH-1 Huey was adopted in 1959 year and well established itself during the Vietnam War, after which it became one of the main helicopters of the US Air Force. Its payload is: 14 soldiers or 6 stretcher and 1 accompanying or 1759 kg of cargo in the cab or on the suspension. The total number of helicopters of all modifications produced since the beginning of mass production, including the licensed release outside the United States, is more than 16000 units. ”

Comments

[Lt. Air Force stock]

And what does their UH-60 Black Hawk not like? Can't they produce 60 helicopters and replace them with UH-1?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

And what does their UH-60 Black Hawk not like?

I think, at the cost of maintenance and operation, whimsical.

[BYV]

Judging by the experience of the F-35 replacement will take place oh how not soon.

[jjj]

Yes, well served. But what will replace, another question

[Blondy]

http://tehnowar.ru/40836-gvozdi-v-mi-28n.html

By the way I read an ugly article about our Mi 28N. The author, in my opinion, expertly drives nails into this helicopter. In general, good is not enough.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Blondy

By the way I read a terrible article

http://tehnowar.ru/
for some reason it shows that the IP of this site is 5.101.125.110 - Estonia

[Blondy]

Quote: Dryuya2

for some reason it shows that the IP of this site is 5.101.125.110 - Estonia

Well, then, if Estonians came up with this, they will deserve the title of Grand Master of the Information War, there’s nothing for mattresses to do here.
And in general, I connected through the Yandex news widget of the Russian news site "World Review" as it is in the title of the site with an article about the helicopter. So it is hardly Estonian non-birth-making. On the other hand, there is no author's signature, and the material can be ripped off from anywhere. It would be nice to publish this article on VO. Here, in addition to the urapatriots, there are enough qualified and unbiased specialists to, as the Bible says, separate the wheat from the chaff.

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Bullshit this article. Ordering on the topic KA-50/52. And distorted. Competitions were held between MI and KA with nothing to the benefit of KA, so Mishki were taken into service. In addition, they jump from topic to topic. Suddenly, about the planes begin, and the conclusion - MI-28 is bad.
It’s better not to read this, but to trust the choice of the military - it’s not fools who accept weapons, especially since they themselves use it.

[Blondy]

Quote: BIP PS FSB RF

Bullshit this article. Ordering on the topic KA-50/52. And distorted. Competitions were held between MI and KA with nothing to the benefit of KA, so Mishki were taken into service. In addition, they jump from topic to topic. Suddenly, about the planes begin, and the conclusion - MI-28 is bad.

Despite the emotionality, it is somehow pale looking in comparison with this:

If you exaggerate everything that happened around the gearbox, we can only say that it was too lightened, hoping that it would be justified. But any mechanism has such a concept as strength and resource - this is exactly what the new VR-28 gearbox lacked. In short, when in 1982 the first Mi-28 took off, there were two TV3-117 engines with a total capacity of 4400 hp. and the main gearbox, which let through (think about it!) only 3300 hp. Take away from here 12-15 percent of the power that goes to the tail rotor, and it turns out that in order to create lift on the newest Mi-28, it only took 2800 hp, while the mi-24 helicopter (created in at the same design bureau 13 years earlier) he had a much more serious power of 3700 hp to create lifting power. Yes, my test pilot Hero of the Soviet Union, deeply respected by me, Gurgen Rubenovich Karapetyan even performed “barrels” and “Nesterov's loops on the new Mi-28 ", But the essence of the issue from this is not resolved ylo.

As a result, after scandalous intrigues and sworn assurances of the inevitability of a “cure” for the capricious gearbox, the Mi-28 was admitted to state tests, which, as expected, did not pass. Then the lobbyists of the Rostov Helicopter Plant organized comparative tests with the Ka-50 single-seat combat helicopter that appeared at the same time. The result of these tests is known: in 1995, the Ka-50 was officially adopted by the Air Force (for comparison, the Mi-28N was adopted only in 2009). And the Mi-28 was returned for revision. But it was necessary to return it to the scrap, and create a new car.

Well, and who should have more faith?

[dauria]

And what does their UH-60 Black Hawk not like?

Well, roughly, like replacing a "two" with a "eight" is not always beneficial. Our gelding of the city also inspects the garbage dumps from above, not from the Mi-8, but from some imported small fly chipper

And for the army, a helicopter of less than 11 tons is not serious. True, in the light of the current tactics of army aviation, a separate preliminary reconnaissance vehicle is needed - but this can be done by drones.

[Error]

Than than our MI! Rocket engines buy and nothing

[Kent0001]

The Yankers have their own cockroaches in their heads, and this helicopter is a really good car, it has been in operation for so many years.

[Sly]

Huey sent to hui)

[evil partisan]

Huey

And how such a name modders miss. They banned me for less ... But actually, reading from various sources about the state of affairs in the US Air Force, I come to the conclusion that their affairs there are far from being as brilliant as they show it.

[LÄRZ]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And how such a name modders miss.

Bell UH-1 Iroquois (Bell UH-1 Iroquois) - American multi-purpose helicopter company Bell Helicopter Textron, also known as "Huey" (Huey).

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_UH-1_Iroquois

[Vladimirets]

Quote: LÄRZ

also known as Huey.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_UH-1_Iroquois

Humor - the intellectual ability to notice in the phenomena their comical, funny sides. A sense of humor is associated with the subject's ability to detect contradictions in the world around him.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Юмор

[evil partisan]

Quote: Vladimirets

Humor - the intellectual ability to notice in the phenomena their comical, funny sides. A sense of humor is associated with the subject's ability to detect contradictions in the world around him.

Good afternoon, colleague!
I've seen you hunt here . Impressed .

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Good afternoon, colleague!

Welcome.

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I've seen you hunt here

There is one absolutely unbelievable moment in the video material that you presented: two frogs, quite obviously, are unable to pull a person out of the water, due to the fragility of their skeleton with respect to the efforts made. In addition, the structure of the frog leg does not allow it to hold objects. Everything else, in principle, is possible.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Vladimirets

Everything else, in principle, is possible.

And this too? :

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And this too?

I do not understand what the Volga in the name?

[evil partisan]

Quote: Vladimirets

I do not understand what the Volga in the name?

Those. the very presence of crocodiles in it did not alert, or what?
But ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Those. the very presence of crocodiles in it did not alert, or what?

Pay attention, a colleague, a man with a spinning rod.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Vladimirets

Pay attention, a colleague, a man with a spinning rod.

Wel ...All. I am silent ...

[Ruswolf]

And the decommissioned ones decided to transfer to Ukraine?

[svp67]

Quote: Ruswolf

And the decommissioned ones decided to transfer to Ukraine?

There are enough people who want to get these helicopters, but Ukraine will most likely be at the top of the list.

[Kent0001]

..... for the price of three new for each old, nothing personal, only business.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Campaign another cut dough on the nose.

[33 Watcher]

Do you want us to sell your Mi-2 license ..? Honestly, I can’t understand why he doesn’t suit them, or go to the "Hawks", or, if it’s expensive to leave it as it is ... Why fence a vegetable garden? Or simply: "We don't like him because he's not cool"?

[inkass_98]

It doesn’t work, all the moves are recorded by the Poles , are still engaged in modernization in various forms. By the way, how NATO members can supply NATO members with the Mi-2 Falcon instead of the Iroquois for a low cost to the Americans.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Observer 33

Do you want us to sell you a license for Mi-2.

Difficult to operate the machine, and not forgiving mistakes. But those who studied on the Mi-2 fly without problems on the other types of turntables.

[Haway_Nordik]

Cool car. Proven and reliable. American Mi-8) In the secondary market, even cars of the 70s are like more modern classmates.

[Abbra]

I have a couple of cool devices. I can offer...

[rotmistr60]

cool devices

But the Mi-1 really did a great job in its time both in the army and in civil aviation.

[Ros 56]

I don’t know what the Mi-1 was doing in the army, but in DOSAAF it was well used as a training machine. I still remember that in the 70s we arrived at the Russian Championship in model aircraft sports in Izhevsk, and lived at the airport in tents, and now from six in the morning they will start the engines and work out one or the other for almost the whole day, and they there were many.
Well, now that, let our striped eights buy, the car is reliable, proven. Better not find. It’s like the An-2, they just didn’t figure out what to replace, but there is nothing better in terms of price-quality and reliability, to kill on it, you have to try very hard.

[rotmistr60]

I do not know what the Mi-1 did in the army

The main purpose is a communications helicopter, visual reconnaissance.

[Haway_Nordik]

The USMC still uses them. True, there is a modern version - UH-1Y "Venom". General appearance only)

[Aaron Zawi]

And the machine certainly deserved. To work so many years and while its replacement is only in the plans.

[Mama_Cholli]

By the way, why do not the skids put on our MI and Ka like on American helicopters? Conveniently ...

[svp67]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

By the way, why do not the skids put on our MI and Ka like on American helicopters?

Because with a load, the take-off option is used "on an airplane", that is, with a takeoff, on runners it is more difficult to do this

[Mama_Cholli]

Thanks for the clarifications.

[Pereira]

Ничего подобного.
He flew on the Mi-8 with a preload (passenger). He took off hard, but without any take-off.

[rotmistr60]

Ничего подобного.

When fully loaded by weight and if the engine life is running out, then very often the Mi-8 take off in an "airplane" fashion. At one time I had to fly them very often at work. Once there was barely enough stripe adapted for An-2.

[kotvov]

He flew on the Mi-8 with a preload (passenger). He took off hard, but without any take-off. ,,
and how many burned flames?

[Kasym]

I think that when the helicopter engines are moving, they can "swallow" more air, thereby increasing the engine power for takeoff. There are no wings, so the airplane term is not entirely correct, but with a run-off it would be more appropriate (something like that). IMHO.

[Lopatov]

They are not chasing cheapness. Still, the wheels are better than runners.

[LÄRZ]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

By the way, why do not the skids put on our MI and Ka like on American helicopters? Conveniently ...

Helicopters MI-6, MI-8, MI-26, when loaded inside the fuselage to the maximum take-off weight (and sometimes the actual take-off weight exceeds the maximum allowable for these take-off conditions), take off exclusively in an airplane way, because there is not enough NV thrust. Therefore, we cannot do without wheeled chassis in our conditions. As for landing on a swampy area, such as a tundra with a surface uneven in strength, in this case runners are preferable. That is why "Yankees" began to use helicopter runners in VIETNAM

http://www.forumavia.ru/forum/5/6/6956146761027337580711164012156_1.shtml

[Professor]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

By the way, why do not the skids put on our MI and Ka like on American helicopters? Conveniently ...

Because the thrust of engines among the bourgeoisie allowed this to be done.

[kirieeleyson]

No, professor, the thrust of engines in our machines is high, in some, the characteristics of engines are even higher than American and English cars. The issue of convenience is controversial, the option of using wheels is better (albeit more expensive). If you take taxiing alone, already.

[Professor]

Quote: kirieeleyson

No, professor, the thrust of engines in our machines is high, in some, the characteristics of engines are even higher than American and English cars.

No. Too lazy to look for numbers, but precisely because the specific thrust of Soviet helicopters was lower, I had to make a wheeled chassis in order to be able to take off in an airplane. I have never seen a Mi-6 or Mi-24 take off by helicopter to an airfield at an altitude of 1500 m. The Mi-26 took off.

On the other hand, I saw how the technicians suffered with the Cobras dragging them from place to place. The wheels would not hurt.

[kirieeleyson]

Yes, I would argue with numbers, but let us dwell on the fact that some of the wide Mi line will be out of competition, due to the lack of analogues among the Americans. Specific thrust, by the way, does not affect the take-off weight, the helicopter pilot will take off in the absence of wind at maximum thrust in any case during reloading, or "wind in jerks". Yes, taxiing, it was no coincidence that I wrote this, ours will reach the hangar on its own, and cobras, for example, need rigging technicians.
And not only taxiing. Wheels are more convenient, albeit more expensive, but it’s obvious.

[Izotovp]

Give skids with built-in wheeled chassis !!! (And also with flashlights and cameras so that pilots can see where they land).

[Professor]

Quote: kirieeleyson

Yes, I would argue with the numbers, but let us dwell on the fact that some of the wide range of Mi will be out of competition, due to the lack of analogues among the Americans.

I’ll look for numbers, especially for you. About not having analogues in the world, let's not. The account will not be in your favor.

Quote: kirieeleyson

Specific thrust, by the way, does not affect the take-off weight, the helicopter pilot will take off in the absence of wind at maximum thrust in any case during reloading, or "wind in jerks".

It affects whether the pinwheel can fly by helicopter or not.

Quote: kirieeleyson

And not only taxiing. Wheels are more convenient, albeit more expensive, but it’s obvious.

It would be obvious that the bourgeois would have exclusively wheels. They cannot be blamed for the lack of pragmatism.

[kirieeleyson]

About not having analogues in the world, let's not. The account will not be in your favor.

I also do not like these statements, but with what will we compare, for example, the Mi-26?

It affects whether the spinner can take off by helicopter or not.

The power of the engine (s), the wind, and the height of the takeoff above sea level affects. The helicopter at maximum payload accelerates the engine to maximum, for a more complete definition there is the term take-off thrust. And thrust-to-weight ratio, or power-to-weight ratio is more applicable to aircraft rocket engines, especially for naval aviation and for transporters.

They cannot be blamed for the lack of pragmatism.

They have a different doctrine, they always worked from jump airfields or from AUG. And there just skids are preferable.
And finally, the beauty of you.

[Professor]

Quote: kirieeleyson

I also do not like these statements, but with what will we compare, for example, the Mi-26?

Is that all? On this have no analogs in the world over?

Quote: kirieeleyson

The power of the engine (s), the wind, and the height of the takeoff above sea level affects. The helicopter at maximum payload accelerates the engine to maximum, for a more complete definition there is the term take-off thrust. And thrust-to-weight ratio, or power-to-weight ratio is more applicable to aircraft rocket engines, especially for naval aviation and for transporters.

Okay. Compare Mi-2 and UH-1 Huey.
Power / mass: 0.1 vs 0.15 hp / lb

Mi-8 and Black Hawk.
Power / mass: 0.15 and 0.192 hp / lb

Quote: kirieeleyson

They have a different doctrine, they always worked from jump airfields or from AUG. And there just skids are preferable.

IMHO it is not a doctrine, but opportunities.

[otter.1]

By the way you comment on this, you are not a damn topic.
Chezh on Apache runners did not put ????
Ahh, the thrust-weight ratio is crap, so I didn’t catch up.
.

[WUA 518]

Quote: professor

On the other hand, I saw how the technicians suffered with the Cobras dragging them from place to place. The wheels would not hurt.

[godofwar6699]

a good idea

[gridasov]

From the above, one can conclude that the Americans are making many secondary options for modernizing helicopters and more. Here is just one problem that all these solutions do not change the fundamentally important aspects of the flight. The pinwheel, as it was, remains essentially the same.

[Izotovp]

Very good idea !! Only the legs on the chassis need to be done more and do not forget about the danger of catching the slope screw with such a landing.

[godofwar6699]

like this? ...

[WUA 518]

The US Department of Defense decided to deploy the AH-64 Apache helicopter combat unit to Alaska, and in September the first twenty vehicles arrived at a permanent location in Fort Wainwright. Due to the climatic features of Alaska, helicopters had to be modernized - the main change was the installation of skis. Skis with dimensions 1,5 × 0,9 m are attached to the wheels of the main landing gear, and one ski with dimensions 0,9 × 0,9 m is attached to the tail support. The skis have slots for the wheels and are mounted on the chassis so that the wheel protrudes below skiing, which allows you to operate helicopters from the ground and concrete. Previously, UH-60 Black Hawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters of the 1st strike and reconnaissance battalion, also deployed in Alaska, underwent a similar modernization. Helicopter skis are manufactured by Airglas, and the cost of one set is $ 15–000.
Skis mounted on helicopter landing gears are used year-round, because after thawing the soil in Alaska becomes soft, and when landing a helicopter, the wheels can go deep into it. In an emergency, the helicopter crew can dismantle the skis and use them when assembling the toboggan.

[godofwar6699]

It looks fun

[Pavel Tsybai]

Somehow in the Kuril Islands they got a little hunting. They took two large bears on take-off, hooked a tree, (about my diaper separately), so the flyers did so, they sawed off the bent blade right after the bend, the benefit bent about half a meter, and the other four were also sawn off along the length of the bent one. Very strained with a bang and crash but flew to the house. Nearby about 50 km. After that, MI 8 is the best helicopter for me.

[Ros 56]

I would like to see how you move around the airfield on skids. Here's an example of take-off by airplane:

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Ros 56

I would like to see how you move around the airfield on skids. Here's an example of take-off by airplane:

This is understandable, but this model is not for transporting soldiers.
And the main occupation of helicopters is still not moving around the airfield.
In general, for example, as above, comrades said that in a tundra or in a swamp a spinner with runners will be more confident

[Ros 56]

When you take off on an airplane, takeoff is easier and less fuel consumption.

Please:

[WUA 518]

Quote: Ros 56

Here's an example of take-off by airplane:

Well, it’s like taking off from the nose stand, among helicopter pilots it is considered chic and a sign of special skill.

[LÄRZ]

And our hard worker MI-8 with 1956. the sky is ironing.

[Ros 56]

And the An-2 at 48 made its first flight and nothing, to hell with it than replace it. Well, it turned out so successful, there's nothing to be done. Here he is handsome.

[gridasov]

I am absolutely sure that Americans and others alike understand that the ideal option would be to get a workhorse that fits into the maintenance costs and the cost of the machine itself at the veteran's level, but with improved parameters and speed and carrying capacity and flight efficiency. But! Alas, there cannot be such new helicopters in essence, since they will also use propeller blades, the same principles of power transmission from the engine. And the engine itself is cheaper with better parameters, well, how not to create it. Therefore, "we all go in a round dance in a circle." It means that only the concept of new engines combined with a propeller can be that "ball" that sooner or later will lead to a positive result or what one dreams of.

[Mama_Cholli]

We’ve come up with it already, let’s take our latest development of the papelats-gravitsap and work on it ...

[gridasov]

He carefully studied the behavior of people before the tsunami in Indonesia and Japan. Especially aspects of behavior and the adequacy of people's reactions to the potential danger of their lives. So now herd thinking allows people to be ironic for any reason. But when the wave goes, do not stand on the side. then everything will be completely different than many people now think.

[Ros 56]

Do not confuse the real tsunami with the tsunami in figurative thinking, these are completely different things.

[Leto]

So in the photo is UH-1Y Venom which is not at all UH-1 Iroquois. The UH-1 Iroquois has one Lycoming GTE and a two-blade propeller, while Venom has two GTL GE and a four-blade propeller. Well, Venom is twice as heavy as Huey. Outwardly, they are somewhat similar, but really completely different cars.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Leto

UH-1Y Venom

[godofwar6699]

Bell V-280 ..

[godofwar6699]

or S-97 .....

[Shuttle]

16000 Huey? Impressive.
But the 12000 Mi-8 is definitely a great helicopter force.
Huey takes an 14 soldier. Mi-8 - at least 24.

[Leto]

Quote: Shuttle

But the 12000 Mi-8 is definitely a great helicopter force.

Do you realize that these are slightly different in the weight categories of the machine? Huey 2,5 tons empty, and the Mi-8 weighs more than 7 tons empty.

[marshes]

IMHO they will switch to Eurocopter EU-145, the American name is UH-72 Lakota, more than 300 pieces have been ordered there.

[kirieeleyson]

The car is great, the workhorse of the Americans, Hollywood with Ramba and other films, such as "Blue Thunder" showed these "Uh" and as a symbol of Marines and cool seals). A good pedestal for her and museums. Now the role of the turntables has been narrowed down, the UAVs have taken over the bulk of the work. Moreover, the massive use of turntables now can only be in a global conflict, otherwise a high percentage of losses will be ensured. And the aircraft carrier SASShivtsy will not be expelled for a citizen of their country, as they used to beat themselves in the chest with their fists.

[WUA 518]

Quote: kirieeleyson

type "Blue Thunder"

The film used the French helicopter Gazelle SA 342M.

[kirieeleyson]

I knew that there was a comrade that would clarify this point)) I took a pure foresample as an example, because still remember him. Plus for your exposure)

[Jamuqa]

On April 1, 1988, the Kurds near the village of Mardin from RPG-7 shot down a UH-1 police helicopter, the pilot died, nifig jokes

[godofwar6699]

Quote: godofwar6699

Bell V-280 ..

[istealth]

What to fly on?
And fly from here to Huey, UH-1!

[demiurg]

Helicopters are a dead end branch of aviation. Like wheeled steamers. PPC as a complicated scheme that moves what controls. One skew mechanism is worth it. Osprey and other convertiplanes? Hardly.

[otter.1]

You can’t argue, that's just to a symbiosis of characteristics, oh how far.

[gridasov]

I think that you are deeply mistaken. But not in terms of the fact that helicopters do not have development prospects further on the propellers, but in terms of the fact that according to the principle of movement and energy ease of flight in the air using new principles, the difference between a helicopter and an airplane will practically disappear. That is, the aircraft will be able to possess the flight qualities of a helicopter, and vice versa.

[Verdun]

The problem of such symbiosis has been struggling for almost longer than helicopters exist. And there is no tangible result yet. It seems that what is needed here is not a new type of propulsion device, but engines with less noise and high fuel efficiency. They would certainly add efficiency to rotorcraft.

[gridasov]

You are talking about properties that themselves are implied in our development. Acoustic noise in an air or gas dynamic environment is equivalent to cavitation in an aqueous medium. Therefore, one of the criteria in the modeling and study of the working device. precisely such properties of the absence of noise were observed. By the way, with a certain rotor diameter at about 20000 rpm. And the second parameter of energy efficiency was obvious in that, with a drive motor power of about 500 watts, the productivity in terms of pumped air volume was orders of magnitude higher than with a standard blade design, and, accordingly, traction parameters. With all this, the calculations and analysis show. that at the tip you can achieve speeds several orders of magnitude higher than the speed of sound, without fear of destruction of the surfaces of the expiration. This also corresponds to the possibility of increasing traction parameters without increasing the mass dimensions of the rotor and its components.

[Verdun]

The funny thing is that the United States has no replacement for a helicopter of this class. Everything that has been created lately is a "business class", not for war. "Black hawk" is also not young, it was being developed back in the seventies. And the UH-1 car, although not bad, is extremely old. Unlike Chuck Norris, she really needs to retire.))

[demiurg]

Quote: Verdun

The problem of such symbiosis has been struggling for almost longer than helicopters exist. And there is no tangible result yet. It seems that what is needed here is not a new type of propulsion device, but engines with less noise and high fuel efficiency. They would certainly add efficiency to rotorcraft.

Well make a super drive, so what? Speed ​​even in the future 500km / h on fuel consumption and, accordingly, on the range is better not to remember. A tiltrotor, this one [eq is only a view in profile. In combat conditions Two huge circles of rotating blades aren’t like ice (how will the Osprey act if he shoots one of the three blades?). How many best helicopters can handle overload? 3-4 g? And this is in combat vehicles. It's just that no one is ready to invest in some kind of new idea, they are afraid of losing money. At one time, a lot of ideas were moved in the youth’s technique, from blowing a wing, similar to what was on ekranoplans, to creating a vacuum by pumping air.
Until a new Sikorsky, simultaneously a talented engineer and businessman, appears, helicopters will fight from overlapping blades and chopping the rear beam. SHOW ME ONE ONE MORE VEHICLE THAT MAY BACK ITSELF WITHOUT EXPOSURE TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
Heaps of merchants, with engineers are much worse, but they are still there. But at the same time, this is a problem.

[gridasov]

You accurately describe the issue. There are really a lot of ideas. However, there is no intelligible mathematical justification, or at least physical. Therefore, we say that the device was not the result of modeling the device itself, but the physical process that develops in stages on the surfaces of the expiration. And therefore, the device itself was the result of a simulation of the physical process. We went from the opposite and investigated non-obvious factors that are not yet possible to expose the mat. analysis as complex processes are processes of a highly dynamic state of mobile flows on the surfaces of the outflow. The device has become a consequence, both obvious and incredible.

[Verdun]

Quote: demiurg

Heaps of merchants, with engineers are much worse, but they are still there. But at the same time, this is a problem.

At the same time - if only for the Strugatsky, A-Janus and U-Janus. I have never seen this in my life. And well, the engineering component would prevail. Where more often the businessman comes upstairs. Such a person will earn grandmas, but about technical progress - this is unlikely. I would like fifty-fifty, fifty to fifty.

[gridasov]

In our case, we don’t need to be a merchant in order not to understand the meaning of discovery and invention, and most importantly cost (or rather the price of a finished intellectual product). The prime cost is minimal, at the level we will speak of any garage with minimal machine equipment.

[demiurg]

Quote: gridasov

In our case, we don’t need to be a merchant in order not to understand the meaning of discovery and invention, and most importantly cost (or rather the price of a finished intellectual product). The prime cost is minimal, at the level we will speak of any garage with minimal machine equipment.

The general, either speak in plain mortal language, or pour it off so that the rest rise to your level.

Quote: Verdun

Quote: demiurg

Heaps of merchants, with engineers are much worse, but they are still there. But at the same time, this is a problem.

At the same time - if only for the Strugatsky, A-Janus and U-Janus.

Umklaydet would solve many problems

[gridasov]

Experience tells me that after such answers it is better to recognize yourself as a degenerate than to continue the discussion.

[demiurg]

Quote: gridasov

Experience tells me that after such answers it is better to recognize yourself as a degenerate than to continue the discussion.

If I can’t explain on my fingers what I’m saying, then I don’t understand the question :))
Although of course the language is fascinating :))

[demiurg]

Quote: gridasov

You accurately describe the issue. There are really a lot of ideas. However, there is no intelligible mathematical justification, or at least physical. Therefore, we say that the device was not the result of modeling the device itself, but the physical process that develops in stages on the surfaces of the expiration. And therefore, the device itself was the result of a simulation of the physical process. We went from the opposite and investigated non-obvious factors that are not yet possible to expose the mat. analysis as complex processes are processes of a highly dynamic state of mobile flows on the surfaces of the outflow. The device has become a consequence, both obvious and incredible.

In general, so. I have three liters of a drink made from yeast, sugar and iergi. He is 5 days old. After consuming 1 liter, I begin to understand you. Except for jokes.
If we cannot subject this process to mat analysis, who prevents us from modeling the ideal drive, and simplifying the model of its behavior, implemented at the modern technological level, to implement?

[gridasov]

I agree that the final model of the device can be positioned in the entirety of calculating the dimension and the material used. But! The physical processes themselves and their algorithms obey the analysis not only of numerical calculations, but also of the justification of the vector and the potential of interaction of the jets in the stream. This is important for understanding where a beneficial effect comes from. Therefore, to implement the project at the technological level, everything is simple, but physics and math. analysis is not for simpletons.

[demiurg]

Quote: gridasov

I agree that the final model of the device can be positioned in the entirety of calculating the dimension and the material used. But! The physical processes themselves and their algorithms obey the analysis not only of numerical calculations, but also of the justification of the vector and the potential of interaction of the jets in the stream. This is important for understanding where a beneficial effect comes from. Therefore, to implement the project at the technological level, everything is simple, but physics and math. analysis is not for simpletons.

1.5 liters. In approximate calculations, the potential can be safely discarded as a probabilistic event. At the same time, modeling the vector of the effect of the flow on the surface in simplified mathematical models, one can achieve good numerical results. Approximating the obtained data, one can not go deeper into the matanalysis, being content with the obtained data.
I can’t argue with you for a long time, I’ll fall: ((

[gridasov]

The introduction of potential into the overall process of analysis allows us to understand the limits of the development of the physical process within its transformation and transition to new levels. Remember Landau, who spoke about dimension criteria. vector and momentum. And then you need to submit. that low-potential physical processes, wherever you go, can be analyzed with modern mat. methods, but complex and high potential in no way.
Well, just do not relax. Alcohol, by the way, allows you to stimulate an understanding of phenomena that, in your right mind, cannot even be perceived, at a certain level and in periods of time. Therefore, shamans have always used this method.

[demiurg]

Quote: gridasov

The introduction of potential into the overall process of analysis allows us to understand the limits of the development of the physical process within its transformation and transition to new levels. Remember Landau, who spoke about dimension criteria. vector and momentum. And then you need to submit. that low-potential physical processes, wherever you go, can be analyzed with modern mat. methods, but complex and high potential in no way.
Well, just do not relax. Alcohol, by the way, allows you to stimulate an understanding of phenomena that, in your right mind, cannot even be perceived, at a certain level and in periods of time. Therefore, shamans have always used this method.

2 liters not mastered, under the load of knowledge fell

[gridasov]

The question with whom you are competing is in both.