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Lukashenko is ready to change the wheel tractor plant to one of the Russian oil fields

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Lukashenko has nothing against the sale of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant to Russia, but at the same time I would like Moscow to positively decide on the sale of one of the oil fields to Minsk, reports RIA News.




“Yes, who is against the sale? We are for it. I told the Russian leadership at the last talks that it is in your interests. This is the country's defense. You are transporting nuclear missiles on this chassis. And to create it - it is necessary money, a lot of time, school. If you want to buy - buy, since you have an interest, ”the president said in a message to the Belarusian people and parliament.

At the same time, he identified his interest in Russia:
“For example, we approximately buy 22 mln. Tons of oil from you, 25 billion cubic meters of gas. Well, you give us in return, sell the field so that we can extract 10 million tons of oil from you. Let's agree - you help us in this regard, we are going to meet you in this. Why is there no answer? Guess yourself. ”


Help agency: "Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant - Belarusian company specializing in the production of heavy-duty vehicles, trailers and special wheeled chassis. About 95% of products the company sells outside of Belarus, the main part is exported to Russia. In addition, the Belarusians have created a joint venture in China, which supplies trucks to Turkey, the UAE, Egypt and other countries. ”
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  1. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR April 21 2016 16: 12
    +20
    Lukashenko is still that bug; knows what he wants.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 21 2016 16: 16
      +39
      And who is in the way, there are tenders, buy a license and develop, produce oil and gas, but Old Man wants a ball without a tender, without investments.
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor April 21 2016 16: 24
        +80
        Why is there no answer? Guess yourself

        Figase inquiries ...
        What is there to guess then?
        A field for 10 million tons of oil per year even at the current price of $ 30-40 per barrel (one barrel is about 0,13 tons), the prime cost, well, let's say $ 15 per barrel including transportation, $ 15-25 profit from the "barrel", 115 -200 dollars per ton, i.e. $ 1 billion a year of NET profit at least with the most disgusting outcome (and maybe under $ 4-5 billion at last year's oil prices).

        And now we are offered to change this for the old unprofitable! The plant, which at best costs a billion and a half, is located in a foreign territory and requires an additional investment of the same amount in order to start generating at least some profit.

        Yes, we can build such a plant from scratch for 3 lard, and it will be located with us and provide work for our citizens, and our design departments will receive funding for technological developments (which, by the way, are already in KamAZ).
        Old Man, you’ll temper your appetites, otherwise you will be left without orders for the plant, and without money for unnecessary scrap metal.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun April 21 2016 16: 32
          +18
          Quote: Darkmor
          Figase inquiries ...

          Well, here it’s worth considering that he should also impress his audience .. although his requests and statements are still those ..)))
          Belarus is not going to be an “errand boy”, Russia should understand this. This was announced by President of the country Alexander Lukashenko during a message to the National Assembly, BelTA reports.
          RBC
          14:32

          And Belarusian shrimps with salmon were very "partner" and "honest"))
          Although maybe in vain he wanted oil? Western partners begin to cry))
          The World
          Cheap oil leads to exodus to Germany
          21 April 2016 city
          The joy of falling oil prices in the West will soon pass: instability is coming all over the world, as well as an influx of migrants into Germany. The curse of dependence on the export of raw materials remains to hang on the Russians - and Putin promises to tighten the screws more firmly.
          http://inopressa.ru/article/21Apr2016/welt/oil_germ.html

          and then sits on an oil needle)))
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ April 21 2016 17: 51
            +8
            For that matter.
            Since the Russian oil has already been needed, it turns out that he (the Old Man) feels a high degree of integration with Russia, if he considers it possible to ask the other state (even Russia) for transfer of ownership of oil fields.
            I repeat once again - IN OWNERSHIP OF OIL DEPOSITS!

            In this connection, I would like to recall one detail.
            Namely, the goal of creating the Union State of Russia and Belarus.
            I draw attention to the creator of such an idea - was Lukashenko himself.
            The goal was: the integration process with a phased organized single political, economic, military, customs, currency, legal, humanitarian, cultural space, up to the formation of a single Federation.

            He proposed it himself, but at the same time in January 2007 he stated that “they demand that we join Russia ... I don’t want to bury the sovereignty and independence of my Belarus ...”.
            Thus, until 2011, the project was quietly “dying” due to the difference in the strategic interests of both countries. However, a noticeable warming of relations between the countries in 2011 is gradually returning the idea of ​​the Union to its previous level. However, it is believed that Belarus is setting up a project mainly because of the difficult economic situation.
          2. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 April 21 2016 18: 38
            +4
            Quote: Scoun
            Well, here it’s worth considering that he should impress his audience too ..

            but what about this - MAZ is "our everything" and suddenly give a pipe, and MAZ in fig? what

            Well, for information, otherwise it seems to me like the news passed by
            1. Eugene-Eugene
              Eugene-Eugene April 21 2016 19: 29
              +7
              And what have MAZ? The chassis produces MZKT ... or, more correctly, released - C-400 this year will go on the Bryansk platform.
              1. Dryuya2
                Dryuya2 April 21 2016 21: 32
                +1
                Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                The chassis produces the MZKT.

                please 2015 year hi

        2. 79807420129
          79807420129 April 21 2016 16: 36
          +26
          Quote: Darkmor
          Old Man, you’ll temper your appetites, otherwise you will be left without orders for the plant, and without money for unnecessary scrap metal.

          Yes, it looks like it will stay and KAMAZ has already produced a "centipede" and will develop it at the Bryansk plant, but let Daddy look for gas and oil in his Belarusian swamps, he’s used to getting it from Russia, almost for nothing, the lip is not stupid.
          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor April 21 2016 16: 46
            +43
            In general, the situation with this plant is tracing from a similar situation with the Ukrainian gas transportation system.

            GTS has worn out, but we need it.
            We say: "Ukrainians, fix the pipe, it's yours."
            Those to us - "And we have no money, give it."
            "Well, we will give it, but then sell the pipe to us so that we can be sure that it will be repaired."
            They answer us: "No, you just give us money, on your word of honor."
            As a result, we are building the "Nord Stream" because we need a transport pipe to Europe.

            The Minsk plant for us is a strategic enterprise. We need him to produce modern tractors. But it is outdated and we get Soviet-style tractors at an exorbitant cost for them. We say to Old Man - "modernize the machines and lines so that the tractors are cheaper in production, it will also be beneficial for you." Well, then, as in the case with Ukraine.
            Only instead of the "Nord Stream" we will build similar tractors on KamAZ, because we have no other choice. And the point here is not in the brotherhood of peoples, but in the overweight appetites of certain individuals.

            P.S. By the way, the Baikonur -> Vostochny cosmodrome, a similar situation, but with respect to Kazakhstan.
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank April 21 2016 20: 02
              -14%
              I remember, "our calf threatened to eat the wolf!" Yes, yes, I believe you a tractor, from level ground in a couple of months belay . Scheherazade however!
              1. Darkmor
                Darkmor April 22 2016 03: 10
                0
                Quote: Starina_Hank
                tractor, from level ground in a couple of months

                From what "level place"? For what "couple of months"?
                We have factories of a similar specialization - in order to build a tractor for the ICBM, in principle, we only need documentation and a license for the product.
                It just so happens that the MZKT comes bundled with this (or rather, we shove it in the kit).
                Designing such a tractor costs time and money. It would be much easier for us to buy the MZKT, and not spend money on the development and re-equipment of our plant. IF there would be an adequate price.
                But, since KamAZ creates its own missile tractors, while all this tyagomotin is going on, it means that the price for the full development cycle turned out to be less than the price that the famous Old Man has broken us down.
                And now this is a matter of time.
                What will happen earlier - will Old Man die his appetite and sell the MZKT at a bargain price to us, or will we complete the development of a tractor based on KamAZ?
                Given that KamAZ has already built prototypes, I think the time to bring them to the stage of mass production is just around the corner.
                1. drunkram
                  drunkram April 22 2016 07: 11
                  -2
                  I'll get a little past the topic, but isn't it more profitable to use a semi-trailer base for ICBM and other heavy launchers as a base? than to develop a tractor entirely, it is enough to take a 4-axle KAMAZ military model with a "saddle" in the back and drag this PU semitrailer on yourself, then nothing really would have to be developed
                  1. Darkmor
                    Darkmor April 22 2016 09: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: drunkram
                    Isn’t it more profitable to use a semitrailer base for the ICBM as a base

                    This will greatly limit patency.
                    Imagine a truck with a 45t laden trailer. It’s not just off-road, it can’t even drive normally along all paved roads.
                    Those. The area of ​​our mobile ICBMs will be very narrow.
                  2. serezhasoldatow
                    serezhasoldatow April 22 2016 10: 54
                    0
                    And how will the turns take place in the forest?
          2. Lex.
            Lex. April 21 2016 17: 42
            +1
            Yes, it looks like it will remain and KAMAZ has already released a "centipede" and will develop at the Bryansk plant - Yeah, like engines for a corvette instead of Ukrainian made - the current KamAZ is almost half American, you take into account
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 April 21 2016 18: 21
              +24
              Quote: Lex.
              Yeah, as did the engines for the corvette instead of the Ukrainian ones, the current Kamaz is almost half American, you

              Our dear Israeli colleague Lex, I didn’t put any minuses and I won’t put them, I’m just not on the topic, but before writing, my dear colleague, you would first ask, because you just farted into the puddle, it’s up to your conscience. Do you see Mr. Lex , Russia will still receive engines for corvettes and a tractor for ICBMs, not immediately, of course, but they will. I have written about the engines 100 times, I won’t repeat it, but parts for the gas turbine have been passing through my hands for a long time, there will be a new foundry by the end of the year the building and next year a test bench, and then the series will go, and on Kamaz your bosses from the USA, if some part of the shares belong, then not a controlling stake. Do not thump more into the puddle, we won’t spoil our mood, we ourselves will troll can, we only laugh at you, do you need a colleague?
              1. Lex.
                Lex. April 21 2016 22: 40
                +1
                Do not plump into a puddle anymore, you will not spoil our mood, we ourselves can troll, we will only laugh at you, you
                I do not thump, unlike you
                KAMAZ to your chefs from the USA, I don’t have any chefs in the United States, so you’re bugging you into a puddle, you want to buy from us and you don’t get your own electronics
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator April 22 2016 01: 38
                  +8
                  Quote: Lex.
                  I don’t have chefs in the United States, so you’re bugging you into a puddle, you want to buy from us and you don’t get your electronics

                  They are not your bosses, but your masters.

                  You don’t lift your nose. That's when you will be a monopolist in electronics and UAVs and then we'll talk. We are getting our own little by little. Well, it makes no sense to produce everything.
                2. drunkram
                  drunkram April 22 2016 07: 12
                  0
                  Sorry, you aren’t accidentally using a GOOGLE translator to chat?
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          3. sgazeev
            sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 02
            +5
            Quote: 79807420129
            Quote: Darkmor
            Old Man, you’ll temper your appetites, otherwise you will be left without orders for the plant, and without money for unnecessary scrap metal.

            Yes, it looks like it will stay and KAMAZ has already produced a "centipede" and will develop it at the Bryansk plant, but let Daddy look for gas and oil in his Belarusian swamps, he’s used to getting it from Russia, almost for nothing, the lip is not stupid.

            We won’t let us tilt. In childhood, I grew up among animals and plants. It’s time to take action and veto a taboo. All Luke.
            1. Lex.
              Lex. April 22 2016 00: 06
              +1
              We won’t let us tilt. In childhood, I grew up among animals and plants. It’s time to take action and veto a taboo. All Luke.
              Oh yes you better about Russia tell me how much was stolen during the construction of the eastern spaceport?
              But Medvedev needs to be driven away with the government for a long time, there are crooks and thieves there, but you compare the roads in the Smolensk region and Vitebsk with heaven and earth. For example, Russia has gas and oil on that, and the country lives, even under the USSR, they did not sell natural resources there
              1. co-creator
                co-creator April 22 2016 01: 41
                +6
                Quote: Lex.
                Oh yes you better about Russia tell me how much was stolen during the construction of the eastern spaceport?

                We steal our own, not yours. What a sadness for you.
                Quote: Lex.
                Yes, you compare the roads in the Smolensk region and Vitebsk heaven and earth.

                Russia is big . There are more good roads in the Russian Federation than in Belarus, and for example in the south they are generally better.
              2. Vetal999
                Vetal999 April 22 2016 09: 40
                0
                Why are you carried from one extreme to another? And what has to do with "driving Medvedev and comparing the roads in Smolensk and Vitebsk?"
                By the way, the word: CORRECTLY, is written through I.
              3. 1rl141
                1rl141 April 22 2016 14: 28
                +1
                Quote: Lex.
                As a child, I grew up among animals and plants


                Mowgli? Here you are! And we lost you ...
                We see, we see ... I already learned to read and write! Is it still the same in a wolf pack? Or did I switch to banderlog?
              4. Eugene-Eugene
                Eugene-Eugene April 22 2016 19: 45
                0
                You would be a troll, changed his flag. It seems that one cannot see when bots from Israel are operating here - they crowd in a crowd and try to put pressure on them with lightning speed. And you and your meager umishkom are clearly not from that herd, and indeed you have no relation to the holy land. So scramble away, your Natsik friends in Lviv have long been waiting for you to get drunk.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 17: 17
          +8
          Quote: Darkmor
          Yes, we can build such a plant from scratch in 3 lard

          But for some reason, "our" government considers investments in US GKOs to be more profitable investments.
          And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?
          1. Locksmith
            Locksmith April 21 2016 17: 49
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But for some reason, "our" government considers investments in US GKOs to be more profitable investments.
            And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?

            British and Shell are investing money inappropriately, and they are also introducing new technologies, therefore they invest in GKOs of the U.S. so that amers can be tied up with illegal goods, the capitalists are aware of how to sell them, and if everything is delivered with cancer, then these channels will leave.
            Old Man really wants for free-type pass the well finished, already noticed above. wink
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 18: 27
              +6
              Quote: Locksmith
              British and Shell loot inadvertently invest

              More output in the end.
              Quote: Locksmith
              , and new technologies also bring

              Technologies are used in their wells, and are protected by copyright. Nobody gives them to us.
              Quote: Locksmith
              , therefore, they invest in T-bills of the USA so that it is possible to procure illegal products from amers

              What kind of coke or what? lol
              1. co-creator
                co-creator April 22 2016 01: 45
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                More output in the end.

                So they need to work at a loss? The Russian Federation does not invest non-kopecks has taxes in the budget.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Technologies are used in their wells, and are protected by copyright. Nobody gives them to us.

                How do you know what is there and how it is.
            2. kotvov
              kotvov April 21 2016 18: 50
              0
              therefore, they invest in T-bills in the USA so that it is possible to procure illegal goods from amers,
              and how sideways is it that is connected with illegal goods? The iPhone said that these are purely commercial investments, that is, we get interest. Do not confuse the big with the heavy.
            3. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 April 22 2016 09: 08
              0
              Gentlemen, you need to know exactly what and what the proposals actually made. Do not like the pouring of slop on our close neighbor. They don’t like Minsk, but what about the President. How many times have our brave cutting experts tried to weld. Think and don’t have to rush. Maybe there’s something completely different. And we don’t know.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 21 2016 18: 07
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But for some reason, "our" government considers investments in US GKOs to be more profitable investments

            Goss .. well, how much to explain already ..

            This is "short" money .. they are already in your pocket, if you translate it into Russian .. and so - like some interest dripping .. guys, find in the internet, how much on these .. mother .. Americans paid bonds for the last year?

            They pay, regularly ... therefore - from Venezuela to China - everyone buys these .. mother .. bonds.

            And, actually, that's all yes
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 18: 39
              +6
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              This is "short" money .. they are already in your pocket, if translated into Russian.

              Roma - I’m also tired of explaining that gold is much more liquid and is growing in price faster than interest with treasuries. And it is not the securities of a likely adversary.
              1. fif21
                fif21 April 21 2016 22: 18
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Roma - I’m also tired of explaining that gold is much more liquid and is growing in price faster than interest with treasuries. And it is not the securities of a likely adversary.

                The gold and black gold markets are speculative, and risky, because there is a decent share of virtual gold (metal accounts) on the market. More liquid is YES, is it profitable to buy at the peak, a question. hi
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            2. fif21
              fif21 April 21 2016 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              guys, find on the internet how much for these .. mother .. Americans paid bonds last year?

              Profitability of US T-bills in 2015 - 0,57%
              2015 US inflation - 0,4%
              The return on investments of the Russian Federation for 2015 is 0,17%.
              Profitability of GKO of China for 2015 is 4,88% in dollars
              2015 US Dollar Inflation -0,4%
              Loss of profit 4,48% hi If you make a mistake, correct it. hi
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 21 2016 22: 54
                0
                Quote: fif21
                Profitability of US T-bills in 2015 - 0,57%
                2015 US inflation - 0,4%
                The return on investments of the Russian Federation for 2015 is 0,17%.
                Profitability of GKO of China for 2015 is 4,88% in dollars
                2015 US Dollar Inflation -0,4%

                Guys, I don’t know who to answer first request

                So, in short - the yield of these papers .. the piano does not play, from the word in general.

                They are much more liquid than gold .. therefore they are bought.

                The fact that this is a pyramid is understandable to everyone .. only while it works - they are bought .. freaks - yes, no doubt .. but for now - it works ..

                Damn .. just everything is simple ..
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          3. sgazeev
            sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 12
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Darkmor
            Yes, we can build such a plant from scratch in 3 lard

            But for some reason, "our" government considers investments in US GKOs to be more profitable investments.
            And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?
          4. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 21 2016 21: 25
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?

            So I wanted to say the same thing. If Sechin pumps oil and pays to the treasury from profits and a barrel, then the essence of Lukashenko will also pay from profits and a barrel, only investments in development and production will not lie on the Russian side, but will completely fall on the owner of the field. I do not think that Sun-Vdun from China will be better than Lukashenko from Belarus for the better. Luka, as president, is simply seeking guaranteed loading of his refineries, no matter where the arrow of geopolitical preferences swings.
            Probably not sure of his course)))
            1. co-creator
              co-creator April 22 2016 01: 48
              +1
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?

              So I wanted to say the same thing. If Sechin pumps oil and pays to the treasury from profits and a barrel, then the essence of Lukashenko will also pay from profits and a barrel, only investments in development and production will not lie on the Russian side, but will completely fall on the owner of the field. I do not think that Sun-Vdun from China will be better than Lukashenko from Belarus for the better. Luka, as president, is simply seeking guaranteed loading of his refineries, no matter where the arrow of geopolitical preferences swings.
              Probably not sure of his course)))

              I agree. Let him just pay the real price for the well and that’s it. Who is against it.
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 April 22 2016 09: 23
              0
              And who said that he wants to be ready. I remember he spoke of the development and establishment of supplies and never asked for the finished. Here is the root of the difference. Ours is not profitable. Strict financial control is very exciting for our managers.
          5. co-creator
            co-creator April 22 2016 01: 42
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And yet, everyone who believes that the Old Man rolled out too hard - British Petroleum and Shell can own the wells in Russia, but the Old Man did not come out with a snout?

            What do they own for free? Let him buy at market prices and go.

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But for some reason, "our" government considers investments in US GKOs to be more profitable investments.

            So the whole world believes and we are no exception.
          6. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 April 22 2016 09: 00
            0
            Excuse me. But how is it that the most important strategic products within the economic union are sold for bucks. It seems that A. promised to use the ruble. And we are selling it for others. How it's called.
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 21 2016 17: 45
          +1
          Quote: Darkmor
          Old Man, you’ll temper your appetites, otherwise you’ll be left without orders for the plant,

          Well, without orders, the MZKT was almost left. Our equipment is mainly put on our own wheels.
          But the question of taxation is still how it will stand in the exchange. MZKT is located on the territory of Belarus, the local population is working there. From the release of products taxes should be paid to the budget of the country. It seems to be similar with oil. But will the old man agree to pay them? I personally strongly doubt it!
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        6. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank April 21 2016 19: 51
          -7
          Naive "Chukchi children" !! Even such a "unprofitable" plant is now not only impossible for us to build, but not even to design !! Don't be idealists (idiots)! And if you consider that the drawings have not been preserved either on paper or in the electronic form. Now count: designing a plant, building it, designing a machine, mastering production, etc., etc. Plus kickbacks and cuts! The result is a vague prospect of getting normal tractors in a possibly very distant future !! And why the heck did they hand over their own little factory for scrap ?? And where did the sovereign little people and prosecutors look when the only plant in the country was taken out to a landfill ??? That would be to create a precedent to gather all the guilty, starting with the head of the district and the governor, into a handful and let them build until they are built ...
        7. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank April 21 2016 19: 51
          -2
          Naive "Chukchi children" !! Even such a "unprofitable" plant is now not only impossible for us to build, but not even to design !! Don't be idealists (idiots)! And if you consider that the drawings have not been preserved either on paper or in the electronic form. Now count: designing a plant, building it, designing a machine, mastering production, etc., etc. Plus kickbacks and cuts! The result is a vague prospect of getting normal tractors in a possibly very distant future !! And why the heck did they hand over their own little factory for scrap ?? And where did the sovereign little people and prosecutors look when the only plant in the country was taken out to a landfill ??? That would be to create a precedent to gather all the guilty, starting with the head of the district and the governor, into a handful and let them build until they are built ...
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 April 22 2016 09: 31
            0
            Well, why is there a rubber budget so we can. And Baikonur requires gigantic funds for updating. Here, the right decision is better to build new than to raise the old for the same money, all the more there is not one start but a whole complex. There is now a military Plesetsk and there will be a civilian one. The main thing is not in one place.
        8. Alexey Lesogor
          Alexey Lesogor April 21 2016 22: 28
          +3
          Don't tear your heart. On "VO" there was already information that we would produce tractors at the BAZ (Bryans). It was bought by Almaz-Antey and is now modernizing it.

          In the photo S-400 with tractors BAZ-64022 in Red Square.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 21 2016 23: 05
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Lesogor
            In the photo S-400 with tractors BAZ-64022 in Red Square.

            Yes, it seems and it’s okay .. lie wink
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 April 22 2016 09: 36
            0
            In principle, Bryank had previously released special platforms. There isn’t much difference. Another thing is that there is a lot of their platforms. Previously, the rule Do not lay all eggs in one basket has always been applied.
        9. 73bor
          73bor April 21 2016 22: 37
          0
          But we don’t need to either buy or sell anything, we ourselves have, for example, BAZ, we just need to develop production a little bit! But how tricky our own desires are disguised as other people's offers and you won’t dig in, dad is definitely a plus! fellow
        10. meriem1
          meriem1 April 22 2016 01: 31
          +1
          Quote: Darkmor
          Why is there no answer? Guess yourself

          Figase inquiries ...
          What is there to guess then?
          A field for 10 million tons of oil per year even at the current price of $ 30-40 per barrel (one barrel is about 0,13 tons), the prime cost, well, let's say $ 15 per barrel including transportation, $ 15-25 profit from the "barrel", 115 -200 dollars per ton, i.e. $ 1 billion a year of NET profit at least with the most disgusting outcome (and maybe under $ 4-5 billion at last year's oil prices).

          And now we are offered to change this for the old unprofitable! The plant, which at best costs a billion and a half, is located in a foreign territory and requires an additional investment of the same amount in order to start generating at least some profit.

          Yes, we can build such a plant from scratch for 3 lard, and it will be located with us and provide work for our citizens, and our design departments will receive funding for technological developments (which, by the way, are already in KamAZ).
          Old Man, you’ll temper your appetites, otherwise you will be left without orders for the plant, and without money for unnecessary scrap metal.



          Considering that everything has been put on the KAMAZ chassis for two years already ... The neighbor blew out ??? But didn’t she wake up LOVELY!
        11. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 22 2016 06: 28
          +1
          Quote: Darkmor

          And now we are offered to change this for the old unprofitable!

          Do not change, but he is ready to sell to us

          “Who is against the sale? We are for it.
          He sells the plant to us, and we are transferring the deposit in the appendage. Jews read and cry.
        12. v.yegorov
          v.yegorov April 22 2016 10: 40
          0
          Already stayed.
      2. gergi
        gergi April 21 2016 16: 46
        +14
        He doesn’t need a license, he wanted an oil and gas bearing territory, a modest man.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z April 21 2016 18: 31
          0
          Quote: gergi
          He doesn’t need a license, he wanted an oil and gas bearing territory, a modest man.

          Well Duc and allot him a plot in the Arctic!
          Unless, of course, with their tractors for our "plants" such a situevina:
          Quote: Darkmor
          The Minsk plant for us is a strategic enterprise. We need him to produce modern tractors. But it is outdated and we get Soviet-style tractors at an exorbitant cost for them. We say to Old Man - "modernize the machines and lines so that the tractors are cheaper in production, it will also be beneficial for you." Well, then, as in the case with Ukraine.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 17: 14
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        but Old Man wants a ball without a competition, without investment.

        Without excise taxes Old Man wants.
      4. Rusyn
        Rusyn April 21 2016 17: 56
        +1
        Well, he also gives the finished production. BASH to BASH.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 21 2016 23: 09
          0
          Quote: Rusin
          Well, he also gives the finished production. BASH to BASH.

          Not. Without details
      5. alllll
        alllll April 22 2016 08: 16
        0
        There is Sechin, a friend of Putin, who takes everything without a contest. Luke there will be a bummer.
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    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 21 2016 16: 19
      +15
      One thing is bad. Sometimes in his desires he does not see the coast.
    4. gergi
      gergi April 21 2016 16: 42
      +10
      Erdogan sang the same thing? Kemsku volost desired? Maybe Siberia wants to buy? Did your hair crack on the ass? We ourselves can build tractors, we have a KAMAZ for this. We need to prostitute less.
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 21 2016 16: 54
      +7
      I don’t like his showers lately. the devil began to stir up water
    6. Kent0001
      Kent0001 April 21 2016 17: 27
      +2
      Old Man bends on a cold, well, as usual, nothing new.
    7. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 21 2016 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Lukashenko is still that bug; knows what he wants.

      On x .... leave yourself, Bryansk copes. stop
    8. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 21 2016 18: 22
      +3
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      still that bug; knows what he wants.

      "He himself wanted to reign and own everything!"
      But his mind is weak, slightly schizophrenic ... The first sign: "Tsarevich" Kolya is dragging along with him all over the world.
      And the second: he does not understand that Belarus is not Germany, not the USA, not the Russian Federation, not France and not the PRC. Including in the field of technology.
      Hence the attempts to climb with a pork snout into the Kalash line.
      Yes, there are still a few advanced enterprises in the industry from the USSR. But such enterprises, especially in the defense industry complex, can successfully compete with peers in other countries only when they have a strong state that provides them with orders, helps with benefits, etc. etc.
      All who need a dad understand how to. His speeches are nothing but internal PR.
    9. torp
      torp April 21 2016 20: 57
      +1
      And he wants a well with Bulba! tongue
    10. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 April 22 2016 08: 43
      0
      Yes, this Beetle, in your opinion, is much more insightful than many of our ministers in Moscow. Remember the romp around Maz when they wanted to buy our oligarchs at ridiculous prices, it was true before Putin .. It was. Yes. And I remember the sale of collective farms in Belarus. We forgot for only 10 bucks with the whole economy. How much dirt our democrats and liberals poured on this sale or privatization. And there are destroyed production or abandoned lands there. So who was farsighted ours or Old Man. President takes real care of his people. Of course, I do not understand the love of our liberals for Minsk. Ours is not always able to crank out deals where the state suffers. This is the main reason. There were many scandals. Even DAM resolved the contradictions with our craftsmen to earn full money immediately, and after that the grass did not grow. You are not surprised, like integration, and there are almost none of the largest joint projects. Only one nuclear power plant by and large. And scandals about the diversion of budget funds in huge amounts are many in Belarus. A small example. what's with the roads is the same mess. Not sure.
    11. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 22 2016 08: 57
      0
      He’s not a bug, but just horny ... yes, a venal thirsty for power ... He understands that Russia will not abandon the Belarusians, and here you are ... it happens ... On x ... it would be high time to send him ... That’s allied a state with Russia, then he does not like the role of the subject of Russia, but he probably thought that Russia should become part of Belarus, and he would become a monarch in such a state there ?! This union arranged for him under Yeltsin, when he threw himself into the leaders of this union state, and now whoever votes for him is nobody ... If it weren’t for Russia, they would have arranged a maidan for a long time and put him on a stake ... His son will sit in power it doesn’t grow up and drink blood from Russia ... It wants to warm its hands at resale, then it’s obvious blackmail ... The parasite ... It’s good to feed this mini-dictator ... While we are buying MTZ, all our tractor factories in Russia went bankrupt both Lipetsk and Volgogradsky and all the others were closed ... But Lukashenko today demands an oil field for tractors (and this despite the fact that Russia and Belarus sell gas and oil much cheaper than the world price), which are not gentle to anyone except Russia, and tomorrow he’ll start for a tractor, because Russia doesn’t have any ... Belarusians certainly need to be supported in any case, but you don’t need to destroy your industry and suffer losses for the sake of Lukashenko ... He does not like Russia or his people ... Only power. ..
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 April 21 2016 16: 13
    +14
    But do not fucking father wants? Why so modestly?
    I would ask not just one field, but an entire oil-bearing province, moreover - the richest in oil deposits and for free. And for the tractor plant I would have demanded the maximum amount of money, "modest fellow" ... !!!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 21 2016 17: 44
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      I’d ask for not just one field, but an entire oil province,

      Yes easily. Issue a screwdriver and throw it on an ice floe in the area of ​​the Lomonosov ridge. There is oil in bulk
  3. Pirogov
    Pirogov April 21 2016 16: 14
    +4
    Old Man, whatever the good fellow would say, Belarusian interests come first for him.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets April 21 2016 16: 18
      +16
      Pirogov
      Old Man, whatever the good fellow would say, Belarusian interests come first for him.

      Who would argue. Naturally at first, but for some reason Moscow should pay. For all. Is not it too much?
      Although you can give the deposit exactly under the North Pole. Let it mine
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov April 21 2016 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Putin
        Who would argue. Naturally at first, but for some reason Moscow should pay. For all. Is not it too much?
        Although you can give the deposit exactly under the North Pole. Let it mine

        In this you are most likely right in Europe and America, he would not say so.
      2. avt
        avt April 21 2016 16: 33
        +16
        Quote: Putin
        . For all. Is not it too much?

        Here is the last one with "Russian Spring" from Butler, well, oh-oh-very touched
        “I want the Russians to understand, especially the leadership of Russia, that we will not be errand boys. We are an independent, sovereign state, living with you in the same house, but having our own apartment. Let a small, small, but his apartment. "
        That is, give me some water to drink, otherwise I feel like there’s nowhere to spend the night, and don’t let me, so I’m proud of all that I’m looking at without compass, I’ll not reach the pot, I’ll put it under the door.
        Quote: Demeter
        ..And wouldn’t you go to a bad mother, Sashok ?!

        And he doesn’t want to, as the same Yaytsenyukh with a bouquet of flowers, taken to the podium by the balls, held on to the podium, so this one with MZKT for "state of the art" is cheating. , a centipede "to make, and now KAMAZ saw on trials and straight
        “Who is against the sale? We are for it. I said to the Russian leadership at the last talks that this is in your interests. This is the country's defense. You are transporting nuclear missiles on these chassis. And to create it is money, a lot of time, school. If you want to buy, buy, since you have an interest ”,
        laughing The fry corrected the krychalka - it turns out that there is money, but they say a lot is needed, again, time has appeared and a school instead of a lack of intelligence among "dear Russians".
        “For example, we approximately buy 22 mln. Tons of oil from you, 25 billion cubic meters of gas. Well, you give us in return, sell the field so that we can extract 10 million tons of oil from you. Let's agree - you help us in this regard, we are going to meet you in this. Why is there no answer? Guess yourself. ”
        Why, guess what, Shurik! We'll wait until you fall off the branch.
        “This year everyone will have to shrink, as we did in the housing and communal sector, ensuring a balance between the interests of the population and enterprises,” Lukashenko said.
        Take a grip on your intergalactic Wishlist, forget about Russian oil fields and finally speak normally in accordance with the real state of affairs and the possibilities of a newly emerged independent country that you got from the USSR. Good
        “This year should be a turning point in overcoming negative trends in the economic sphere,” emphasizes Lukashenko.
        Here Sayuzny Gaspadar go to the forest and get down to business, and not scum deposits of oil in another country, no less sovereign than your Belarus.
        1. insular
          insular April 22 2016 00: 24
          0
          Quote: avt
          Why is there no answer? Guess yourself

          Why not exchange a small deposit for ... Belarus !!! laughing So what? repeat
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      4. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 21 2016 17: 07
        0
        Just there they found a lot of things, not the cheapest in production, but promisingly ... let them take one well, only its equipment too.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2016 16: 27
      +10
      Guys, all small-town interests are not for the good of our peoples.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 22
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        Guys, all small-town interests are not for the good of our peoples.

        I feel that his Wishlist will cost sideways. His army is still silent, but there are already people who want to move him.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 21 2016 16: 32
      +13
      Quote: Pirogov
      Old Man, whatever the good fellow would say, Belarusian interests come first for him.

      Uh-huh ... but when Russia begins to act in the same way, such a cry immediately rises about the fraternal people and the loss of an ally. The recent discussion on the replacement of the Belarusian MZKT chassis with the Russian BAZ by Almaz-Antey is an example of this. smile
    4. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 April 21 2016 16: 41
      +4
      Yes, you and your eagles have enough, as much as the 4th president, primarily those who think about Ukrainian interests.)))

      Only, well, you all want to live at the expense of the Russians. How old and independent are already how many years old, and the disc is the same. All the same, Russia bothers you, does not allow you to turn around. )))
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov April 21 2016 17: 02
        +6
        1. Yes, if Old Man was the president of Ukraine, then the people would be happy. 2. And where does the Ukrainian bastards to Belarus, or is it painful for you? 3. And what side am I here that you present to me?
        1. Sarmat149
          Sarmat149 April 22 2016 02: 08
          0
          For Pirogov (4)

          Flag, you have ukrovsky flag, the whole thing in the flag dear)))
    5. skeptic
      skeptic April 21 2016 16: 46
      +6
      Quote: Pirogov
      Old Man, whatever the good fellow would say, Belarusian interests come first for him.


      This is how to say ... Sometimes short-term gains can result in significantly larger losses.
      The development of large-capacity trucks at KAMAZ is not casual. And in other areas, some people can leave the privileged "friends".
  4. Demeter
    Demeter April 21 2016 16: 15
    +19
    Are you smart ... Russia will feed the citizens of his country, giving them work, and even owes it to him ... But would you not go to a bad mother, Sashok ?! They will do the chassis on KAMAZ, already done, and you go sell your MAZ products to the EU, and we will see who will buy and if at all ...
    1. skeptic
      skeptic April 21 2016 16: 57
      +6
      Quote: Demeter
      They will do the chassis on KAMAZ, already done, and you go sell your MAZ products to the EU, and we will see who will buy and if at all ...


      And "Barguzin" will not be made in Belarus, and "Calibers" have other carriers.
      Shurik does not behave like a friend, but tries to put pressure on diseased corns - it is not for nothing that they say that there is no worse enemy than a former friend (he knows all the weak points).
    2. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank April 21 2016 20: 31
      +1
      Russia does not feed its citizens too much, but here there are "some" Belarusians!
  5. Berber
    Berber April 21 2016 16: 16
    +18
    Well done, he’s done, but all the same, all of them, the leaders of the former republics, are temporary workers, because without Russia they’re khan. And this one is trying to show multivectorness. Someone else's experience does not seem to teach. Everyone thinks smarter than the other.
    1. avt
      avt April 21 2016 16: 40
      +8
      Quote: BerBer
      Again, this kosher brother wants to stir up something.

      Shows off. The pyramid a la MMM under the name of the Republic of Belarus with the cadastral souvenir really staggers. So after a trip to the rally of the Islamists, Butke didn’t break off, even the ring after circumcision. laughing So he began to sing, “Hard years pass in the struggle for the freedom of the country, others come for them, they will be just as difficult.” But the show-off is still pounding for suvyaryanitet and his, “give” does not want to turn off.
      Quote: avt
      “This year should be a turning point in overcoming negative trends in the economic sphere,” emphasizes Lukashenko.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher April 21 2016 16: 52
        +4
        laughing About the ring from circumcision, I liked it. good laughing
        He was just surprised to find out that import substitution is in the defense industry, it concerns everyone laughing Apparently at first I thought differently ... And then in how, KAMAZ employees, the BAZ employees turned out to be no worse laughing
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 21 2016 16: 18
    +11
    These are, as it were, not quite equivalent things. Old Man from the mornings a little did not get drunk probably. The plant, with a great desire, can be dragged, but the deposit cannot be taken anywhere ... that headache will appear.
  7. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL April 21 2016 16: 19
    +18
    Late! Platform-O at KAMAZ on pokatushki already. A little more will come into service, and there, goodbye to the MZKT. But they wanted it for good. hi
  8. alexvdv78
    alexvdv78 April 21 2016 16: 19
    +12
    The Bryansk Automobile Plant, if desired, can do no worse. The chassis for the S-400 does. It would be a desire for those who are sitting in high chairs.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 21 2016 16: 36
      +5
      Quote: alexvdv78
      The Bryansk Automobile Plant, if desired, can do no worse.

      The question is - how long? Chassis is needed now, because primers are produced in series. Premature refusal of the MZKT is a breakdown in the rearmament of the Strategic Missile Forces.

      To develop and put into series an 8-axle off-road chassis capable of transporting ICBMs and launching is an extremely difficult and long task.
  9. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 21 2016 16: 22
    +5
    "Lukashenka is ready to change the wheel tractor plant for one of the Russian oil fields"
    As I understand it, in Belarus soon there may not be tractors. bully And I did not say that ours would go for it.
  10. akims
    akims April 21 2016 16: 23
    +3
    Are you smart ... Russia will feed the citizens of his country, giving them work, and even owes it to him ... But would you not go to a bad mother, Sashok ?! They will do the chassis on KAMAZ, already done, and you go sell your MAZ products to the EU, and we will see who will buy and if at all ..

    Not MAZ - BELAZ. MAZ can be replaced.
    BELAZ - unique!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2016 16: 30
      +19
      All the achievements of our republics are unique in that they are from the Union. Our "brotherly" republics have completely forgotten. It's time to understand that we need to be together again, only without the oligarchs and other liberal trash.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 17: 32
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        only without the oligarchs and other liberalistic trash.

        At Old Man they are silk and obedient, but here ... request
  11. Lazy person
    Lazy person April 21 2016 16: 23
    +14
    Russia has money for the plant, but I doubt it very much for the oil field.
    1. avt
      avt April 21 2016 16: 58
      +5
      Quote: Lazy dog
      Russia has money for the plant, but I doubt it very much for the oil field.

      They didn’t understand the campaign. What did you say? Well, I’ll translate from Lukashenka’s into Russian -You don’t mind SELLING to anyone in Russia the MKZT, naturally in convertible currency, but instead GIVE, without paying in the same convertible currency, an oil field. Do not believe? well, like this
      Lukashenko has nothing against the sale of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant to Russia, but he would like Moscow to positively resolve the issue of selling one of the oil fields to Minsk, RIA Novosti reports.
      Read carefully - SELL the factory, but only, and then the quote is specifically Butsky
      For example, we approximately 22 million tons of oil are bought from you, 25 billion cubic meters of gas. Well, you give us in return, sell the field, so that we can produce 10 million tons of oil from you. Let's agree - you help us in this regard, we are meeting you in this
      And the first verb here is -SET, then SELL. What kind of shisha will yong pay, don't you want to guess? Well, I’ll say - with the loan received from Russia, Yon will proudly pay off and his loyal admirers will angrily send us messages here on the site - we pay for everything! wassat
      Why is there no answer? Guess for yourself "
      laughing Indeed, why is there no answer from the Kremlin to such a lop-sided proposal in the struggle for defense capability? laughing Guess at home there in sovereign Belarus. Why is it that NO ONE in the Kremlin at Batsky wants to run errands ?? Sayuznae statehood after all ..... wassat
      1. Lazy person
        Lazy person April 21 2016 17: 41
        +4
        Quote: avt
        They didn’t understand the campaign. What did you say? Well, I’ll translate from Lukashenka’s into Russian -You don’t mind SELLING to anyone in Russia the MKZT, naturally in convertible currency, but instead GIVE, without paying in the same convertible currency, an oil field. Do not believe? well, like this

        Let him destroy him a little more, as if we, together with him, would not overwhelm him later.
        1. avt
          avt April 21 2016 17: 50
          +5
          Quote: Lazy dog
          , so that we would not have a choke with him then.

          request And how did you want that ??? Declared themselves independent, and that's how I always in fact considered Belarus AFTER 1991, and only get nishtyaks, without any obligations? Guys, this does not happen - rights go toe to toe with responsibilities. With such a territory and population less than in Moscow, do you want to be an equal partner? So reveal to the World and the City something that the World cannot live without. Stretch out your legs according to your clothes. And give it more "already specifically from despair - not only that there is no money, it is already catastrophically gone. Search and find how I described the situation in the USSR with Lenya's grandfather with Poland and its then debt in foreign currency to the West , this is in the oppressed by Russia and in general occupied in the country wassat when, having collected money to live well, they collapsed with repayments on debts and Lenya gave them an oil quota, and USa collapsed oil with the Saudis and Solidarity appeared. Doesn't wind anything? laughing When I drew such a historical parallel for the first time - here many drowned in negative anger - How can you compare Belarus Republic with some kind of Poland! "So what in the end? Here Batskino - give oil. request Guys ! I will repeat again and again - the financial pyramid of batskin in your country RU-SHIT-SYA! This is an objective reality and Yong CANNOT think up ANYTHING and CANNOT invent anything to maintain the status quo, I don’t trade with suvaryanity. ”
          1. Lazy person
            Lazy person April 21 2016 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: avt
            I repeat again and again - the father’s financial pyramid in your country RU-SHIT-SIA!

            Well, about crumbling, I have not heard the first year, as it exists.
            But in general I agree, the situation will worsen for everyone and for you too. I think dark times await ahead, if only not to slide down completely.
            1. avt
              avt April 21 2016 21: 17
              +1
              Quote: Lazy dog
              Well, about crumbling, I have not heard the first year, as it exists.

              laughing Do you even see the difference between the financial pyramid and the Cheops pyramid? Naturally, he will not fill up with stones. Just look at WHAT and how is happening on the Ruin and read what the word DEFAULT means, we in Russia survived it in 1998, it shook in 2008 and now since they cut off from "universal" banks and in general they even boycott the purchase of Russian Eurobonds at the filing of USA. on our Russian currency roller coasters. So this is Russia with its real resources! But then think of it all on yourself, on your country foul with its national financial resources, or rather their absence. Remember the zeros of your "bunnies" and look at such small neighbors - Greece, Bulgaria, the Baltic states. There, too, no one was crushed with stones after the collapse of their financial pyramid scams, Greece is especially indicative. So they will not shoot the Belarusians for debts, and Russia will not give it through the CSTO, but the "miracle of the Belarusian economic" with its social system, which Butler boasts, will definitely not be in the event of a default - you will breathe on command. In the figurative sense of the word.
              1. Lazy person
                Lazy person April 21 2016 22: 30
                +1
                Quote: avt
                Look at our currency roller coaster

                Yes, we also rode poorer than yours.
                2010 1 $ - 3000
                2016 1 $ - 20000
                abruptly it will be so.
                Quote: avt
                but "the miracle of the economic Belarusian" with its social system, which Butler boasts, will definitely not happen in case of default

                The social network is no longer the same, in principle, there are still pensioners, not that people deserve to feel sorry for me, but personally, I will still pay a tax for parasitism.

                But I live like that, they didn’t die of hunger. The truth will only get worse. But there is still much to the real bottom.
          2. Rader
            Rader April 21 2016 19: 58
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Quote: Lazy dog
            , so that we would not have a choke with him then.

            request - // - I will repeat again and again - the financial pyramid of batskin in your country RU-SHIT-SYA! This is an objective reality and Yong CANNOT think up ANYTHING and CANNOT invent anything to preserve the status quo, I don’t trade in frivolity ” ...

            Siryosna ?! But every day on the channels of the Belteleradio company I see how "Belarus quit", and how "life has become better, life has become more fun." In short, I, like 90% of the population of Belarus, do not believe you and completely trust a professional from the National Bank! (I keep all my savings in the bank three liter wassat ). laughing
            So that's it. Can you, dear avt, tell me "what to do"? And then the approach of the Big Polar Fox, everyone has been feeling for more than a year, but there is no answer to the sacramental question asked earlier ...
            Ps Do not offer solutions to the problem in the style of "get drunk and forget"! smile
            1. avt
              avt April 21 2016 21: 31
              +2
              Quote: Rader
              So that's it. Can you, dear avt, tell me "what to do"?

              request So the most offensive thing is that But Father will not do anything! He had a real chance to agree with the GDP on a single means of payment, well, they would add so much ruble on the banknotes of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, and in essence liquidate the national currency and give the emission center in favor of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and in fact receive the same status as in Tartary, it was not for nothing that Babay was then in power, having heard about the state of affairs, he immediately publicly resented - then we will also sign, but seeing that all this is zilch and concussion with air damage, calmed down. BUT - “I don’t sell suvyaryanitet!” Everything - show-offs are more expensive than money and common sense. Because then even if the flag, plane, anthem remain, “a powerful figure of an international politician” and the post of commander-in-chief, since even an attached, folding the throne in the throne room of the Kremlin did not provide for a chair after the Tatar prince Simeon Bekbulatovich. And this Batska physically cannot survive! How so !? Yong is not close, but below Putin! Understand finally - Belarus will not pull out sovereignty with such financial demands for an adult! And to create some kind of Switzerland, by the way, the status of which as a neutral banking center of Europe, which has grown to the world level, was proposed by the Russian Emperor Sanya No. 1, from Belarus NOBODY IS BU-DE-T. curtain from Russia from Mozha to Mozha.
      2. Evil Kind
        Evil Kind April 21 2016 20: 41
        +5
        At the same time, the main thing is that he buys oil and gas at domestic Russian prices, and presented it as if he was doing us a favor (though Russia obliged to sell a certain part of our oil refined at the Belarusian oil refinery back to Russia, seemingly also at domestic prices). kicked, wanted to sell at world prices. Unique logic. For these produced 20 million tons and 25 billion cubic meters. we spend labor resources, time, equipment, distraction of highly qualified specialists to get what we can say "zilch". So far we have no way out, but we are slowly moving away from the practice of "Brotherly Peoples" and this is good! All the same, we are Fraternal Nations, but in fact one nation, but this should be culturally (exchange of concerts of folk ensembles, trips to museums and historical sites with each other, fraternal tourism to each other, etc.), also in educational plan - exchange of students, quotas in Russian universities for Belarusians, also exchange of experience in management, exchange of technologies is possible, but I would like to exchange. In general, a pragmatic policy should be pursued, and we will become "fraternal peoples" in economic terms when Belarus becomes a Belarusian region !!!
        The brothers grew up and each has its own wallet and its own family, which they must take care of, their own worries.
  12. akims
    akims April 21 2016 16: 24
    0
    Again, this kosher brother wants to stir up something.

    But what, father, too? laughing
  13. kind
    kind April 21 2016 16: 29
    +11
    Lukashenko doesn’t act fraternally, oh not fraternally. Of course, there are Bryansk and Kurgan chassis in Russia, but they are not adapted for military equipment, and he, knowing this, offers an unequal exchange, knowing that Russia will buy 90 percent of MAZ production. This is the key phrase, 90 percent. Those. nobody else needs MAZ products in the world. The main thing is that he is blackmailing us, knowing how we need MAZs to carry out foreign arms deliveries. In vain he is so. There will be a factory, well, no one will be. We’ll bring our chassis to mind, but oil fields in Belarus will not appear.
  14. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 April 21 2016 16: 29
    +23
    This is from the same series as the story of the deployment of the Russian air base.
    Lukashenko is not against the air base, but ... he wants Belarusian pilots to fly on Russian planes. those. to get new aviation equipment for free. Well, and fig such an air base is needed? wassat
    It seems that things are not very good with MZKT, so Lukashenka wants, as they say ... "And eat a fish and sit somewhere." The usual demeanor of Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko. And then also to accuse the Russian leadership of destroying the so-called Union State.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 21 2016 17: 53
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      Well, and fig such an air base is needed?

      And for that you need a RUSSIAN base, that a holy place is never empty. There will be no "pro-Russian" Lukashenko, there will be a "pro-Western" Juda. There will be no RUSSIAN base, there will be NATO. The world does not tolerate emptiness. Everything has a price under capitalism. Russia leaves. NATO is coming. Or has the recent history with Ukraine taught you nothing?
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 April 21 2016 18: 41
        +3
        And for this we need a RUSSIAN base that a holy place does not happen empty.

        Will there be such a base RUSSIAN?
        If Belarusian pilots fly, Belarusian technicians serve the equipment .... Whose base is it?
        In my opinion, it’s clearly not Russian. I repeat once again - this option proposed by Belarus is an opportunity to obtain modern military aircraft for free.
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 33
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      This is from the same series as the story of the deployment of the Russian air base.
      Lukashenko is not against the air base, but ... he wants Belarusian pilots to fly on Russian planes. those. to get new aviation equipment for free. Well, and fig such an air base is needed? wassat
      It seems that things are not very good with MZKT, so Lukashenka wants, as they say ... "And eat a fish and sit somewhere." The usual demeanor of Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko. And then also to accuse the Russian leadership of destroying the so-called Union State.

      I am a supporter of a sincere policy. I have been suffering from my honesty for 15 years.
      The uniqueness of the situation in Belarus lies in the fact that I do not owe anything to anyone. For the sake of maintaining calm in the country, I am ready to sacrifice my own mind. recourse
  15. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ April 21 2016 16: 31
    +13
    “Who is against the sale? We are for it. I told the Russian leadership at the last talks that it is in your interests.
    It smelled like gypsy honey. I read all the comments, there is nothing to add.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 21 2016 19: 54
      0
      You can add that Belarus guards our border with Ukraine. After all, Ukrainians have been in the Russian Federation for many years after checking by Belarusian customs officers that they are on the train or on the car. In fact, they let everyone in. All-all. That's what you think. who needs it
  16. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 April 21 2016 16: 34
    +15
    1) "We are an independent sovereign state, living with you in the same house, but having our own apartment - albeit small, but our own."
    2) Lukashenko said that Belarus pragmatically builds its relations with other countries, including Russia. But this is not a reason for criticism.
    Source: http://news.tut.by

    Minus as much as you want, another selyuk, only the Belarusian one sets its own conditions. Why does not the thought pop up in his head: "Russia is pragmatically building its relations with other countries, including Belarus. But this is not a reason for criticism" Damn allies.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 35
      +2
      1) "We are an independent sovereign state, living with you in the same house, but having our own apartment - albeit small, but our own."
      2) Lukashenko said that Belarus pragmatically builds its relations with other countries, including Russia. But this is not a reason for criticism.
      Source: http://news.tut.by


      And cook soup for your neighbor at your own expense. recourse
  17. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 21 2016 16: 35
    +9
    Give him a deposit near the North Pole - and all business yes ... I can already imagine this picture: dozens of Belarusian icebreakers will transport the giant Belarusian oil / gas production platform Syabry to the place of hydrocarbon production what ... Enchanting spectacle belay ...
  18. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 21 2016 16: 38
    +4
    Old Man does not see the edges! I’m generally silent about the price of this offer!
  19. Abbra
    Abbra April 21 2016 16: 40
    0
    To this topic.

    “I want the Russians to understand, especially the leadership of Russia, that we will not be errand boys. We are an independent, sovereign state, living with you in the same house, but having our own apartment. Let a small, small, but his apartment. By the way, these are the words of the current president of Russia, ”Lukashenko said today.
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 21 2016 16: 48
    +4
    That says a lot! Of course, they are envious of our deposits. Only the promise is some kind of consumer, not friendly. Hapanut, yes there is no possibility. And only Russia needs tractors. And itches and pricks. And Russia to suck in and to Europe with America would be tamed somehow. Lukashenko got confused.
  21. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 21 2016 16: 50
    +18
    By the way, I’ve found Kamaz products on pokatushki. Old Man probably saw him.
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 April 21 2016 17: 38
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      By the way, I found here

      and after watching the video I decided to read about it and from page to page,
      came across the links to the site
      Made by us - http://sdelanounas.ru/
      how many different novelties are there, how many are being built good
      raised his spirits - the country then lives and works
      (economy torn to shreds (s) fool )
      Russia's gold reserves in March 2016 increased by 15,5 tons and reached 1461,9 tons
      The Bank of Russia bought 0,5 million troy ounces (15,5 tons) of gold in March, the Central Bank said. In just three months of 2016, the Central Bank has already bought 1,5 million troy ounces (46,7 tons) of gold.
      In 2015, the Central Bank purchased 6,7 million ounces (208,39 tons)
    2. avt
      avt April 21 2016 18: 31
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      By the way, I’ve found Kamaz products on pokatushki. Old Man probably saw him.

      V.Vysotsky - “The end is simple. A tractor came and there was a cable, and there was a doctor, and MAZ got where it should be ... " laughing laughing
  22. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 21 2016 16: 50
    +10
    He slept with Erdogan?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 16: 56
      +7
      It was Erdogan who "slept" him ..
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 40
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      He slept with Erdogan?

      No, Erdogad, as a proud Ottoman, did not accept Belarusian stickers in exchange for free Turkish tomatoes laughing
  23. parusnik
    parusnik April 21 2016 16: 55
    +7
    laughing I neighing ... at the price of the plant, father wants to buy an oil field .. Well, let's say. I bought it. But to develop it using Russian loans and sell gasoline to us at exorbitant prices ... smile Yesaaaaaaaaa ......... a real friend ..
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 21 2016 16: 55
    +20
    Well, the factory is a factory, and recently the Minister of Defense of Belarus stated literally the following, in which case, they are not going to support Russia in a clash with the West, they have other interests there. Here you have allies, of course I do not blame the Belarusian people, but somehow it’s unpleasant.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad April 21 2016 17: 33
      +6
      Quote: Ros 56
      The Minister of Defense of Belarus stated literally the following, in which case, they are not going to support Russia in a clash with the West, they have other interests there. Here you have allies, of course I do not blame the Belarusian people, but somehow it’s unpleasant.


      they have the main interest in Russia only to take our money.
      It is high time to understand that the authorities in Ukraine and in Belarus are neither friend nor even more so an ally of Russia speaking with us on the same front.
      The goal of the authorities of Belarus and Ukraine is to tear off the population of these countries from Russia with the replacement of any elements of the Russian world within these countries with the invented world of a nation of proto-Belarusians and proto-Ukrainian.

      The Belarusian and Ukrainian people who associate themselves with the Russian world are one of us the triune Russian people. The same who associates with the Western world is our enemy.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 44
        +1
        Quote: lopvlad
        Quote: Ros 56
        The Minister of Defense of Belarus stated literally the following, in which case, they are not going to support Russia in a clash with the West, they have other interests there. Here you have allies, of course I do not blame the Belarusian people, but somehow it’s unpleasant.


        they have the main interest in Russia only to take our money.
        It is high time to understand that the authorities in Ukraine and in Belarus are neither friend nor even more so an ally of Russia speaking with us on the same front.
        The goal of the authorities of Belarus and Ukraine is to tear off the population of these countries from Russia with the replacement of any elements of the Russian world within these countries with the invented world of a nation of proto-Belarusians and proto-Ukrainian.

        The Belarusian and Ukrainian people who associate themselves with the Russian world are one of us the triune Russian people. The same who associates with the Western world is our enemy.

        They forgot 1941, to the West by ....., all roads go through Minsk fool
  25. whniph
    whniph April 21 2016 16: 58
    +5
    Rjunimagu!
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 22 2016 08: 09
      0
      Look do not sleep. laughing
  26. Riv
    Riv April 21 2016 17: 00
    +6
    And what? I like the idea. It is necessary to father sell a plot on the Arctic shelf. Let him get oil and carry to Minsk as he wants. Through any port on the Belarusian coast.
    :)
    1. avt
      avt April 21 2016 17: 08
      +4
      Quote: Riv
      And what? I like the idea. It is necessary to father sell a plot on the Arctic shelf. Let him get oil and carry to Minsk as he wants. Through any port on the Belarusian coast.

      what There is an even more luxurious option - gas condensate lies in pieces at the bottom of Lake Baikal. Here, let Yong himself dive and run to Belarus, well, until the condensate evaporates then. laughing
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 21 2016 17: 54
        +2
        Quote: avt
        at the bottom of Lake Baikal, gas condensate in pieces lies

        stop
        Not gas condensate (which is liquid yes ), and gas hydrates. This is something like a supersaturated solution of methane in water, which crystallizes at high pressures (large depths = large hydrostatic pressure). I don’t remember exactly, but it’s kind of like that ... what
        But I fully support your proposal to transfer the Batka gas hydrate field yes . They have not yet figured out in the world: how can gas hydrates be extracted? And our Old Man - he is omnipotent wink . Solves this problem. yes .
  27. whniph
    whniph April 21 2016 17: 01
    +4
    KAMAZ employees will cope, dad let him rest.
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 21 2016 17: 16
    +5
    The second most cunning after the Chinese. The cunning beetle understands that the products of the MZKT, except for Russia, are of no use to anyone. Now that Almaz-Antey has bought the Bryansk wheel tractor plant, thereby making the main stake on it, the products of the Belarusian MZKT are in danger of becoming useless in the near future. the future, such as the engines of the Ukrainian "Motor Sich".
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 21 2016 18: 46
      0
      Quote: lopvlad
      The second most cunning after the Chinese. The cunning beetle understands that the products of the MZKT, except for Russia, are of no use to anyone. Now that Almaz-Antey has bought the Bryansk wheel tractor plant, thereby making the main stake on it, the products of the Belarusian MZKT are in danger of becoming useless in the near future. the future, such as the engines of the Ukrainian "Motor Sich".

      But MAZ twisted its faces from YaMZ when the plant literally lay.
  29. Tanya
    Tanya April 21 2016 17: 18
    +3
    This is the way out of the stove ... belay
  30. Mikelanjelo
    Mikelanjelo April 21 2016 17: 19
    +7
    News of our collective farm
    look at 2.40 and 4.30


    1. avt
      avt April 21 2016 17: 27
      +5
      Quote: Mikelanjelo
      News of our collective farm

      Starting at 6.50 best laughing
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 21 2016 18: 41
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Starting at 6.50 best

        A masterpiece. yes
      2. chebman
        chebman April 21 2016 21: 23
        +2
        And is this about the country that designs and manufactures spacecraft, nuclear submarines, 5 generation fighters? D, b !!! (S. Lavrov).
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 21 2016 22: 52
      0
      I'm getting on from Uncle Sani. We had in our memory Yuzhmashi, the Sichi engine, the Antonovs, all of which are so exclusively unique. A great desire to stuff the MZKT with all its tractors in the railway station ... to Alexander Grigoryevich
  31. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 21 2016 17: 22
    +4
    Life is organized as follows: in order to receive something, one must give something.
    Business goal: give less, get more.
    Whoever deceives someone will get rich ...
  32. 3315061
    3315061 April 21 2016 17: 22
    +9
    Recently in Minsk, after Russia's refusal to buy tractors, MAZ was bent, they tried to produce buses in addition to wheeled tractors, but the Mazovsk buses turned out to be unprofitable, MAZ became unprofitable and Old Man is trying to get rid of it with all his might.
  33. m262
    m262 April 21 2016 17: 22
    +12
    I do not know what you mean by "Belarusian interests", but the fact that the interests of the Belarusian people are of little concern to him is certain.
  34. Mikelanjelo
    Mikelanjelo April 21 2016 17: 29
    0
    Quote: Mikelanjelo
    News of our collective farm
    look at 2.40 and 6.50


  35. ASK505
    ASK505 April 21 2016 17: 44
    +9
    How tired he was with his rural thinking. It seems to be involved in sports, but surprises every month. She won’t understand that we are one people, divided artificially by a crook in the forest, and we cannot forever exist separately. But he is still oppressing his own, we are separate from Russia, independent, but on your resources and loans.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 21 2016 18: 18
      0
      Quote: ASK505
      But he is still oppressing his own, we are separate from Russia, independent, but on your resources and loans.

      “I want the Russians to understand, especially the leadership of Russia, that we will not be errand boys. We are an independent, sovereign state, living with you in the same house, but having our own apartment. Let it be small, small, but its own apartment, ”Lukashenka noted during the annual message to the Belarusian people and the National Assembly.
  36. semuil
    semuil April 21 2016 17: 51
    +5
    As the famous character used to say: -This is not serious!
  37. Dax
    Dax April 21 2016 18: 06
    +3
    Is the Russian fate like that? While some people work, invent, and manage ho-creature idiots, for they can only carry bags, then the Poles, then the Germans come, now the Americans and just these imperfections inspire that those great and special, and their laziness, stupidity - are special national features.
    And it seems that the same Russians, but not very capable, lazy and poorly studied at school, begin to freak out. Here give us vyalykami field and all.
  38. Cat man null
    Cat man null April 21 2016 18: 17
    +1
    Companions, what the hell on a news article is so much minusoff ?? Brains rotted nafik campaign?

    Old Man is moving out, IMHO. Of course, you can say that .. but not for long, and this is a very unhealthy task.

    I’ll look with interest at the consequences, yeah ..
  39. tomcat117
    tomcat117 April 21 2016 18: 22
    +2
    But father stirs up water.
    Probably easier, at the cost of that very "one of the Russian oil fields", to build a plant ourselves, it will be more useful for the country!
  40. atamankko
    atamankko April 21 2016 18: 30
    +3
    Russia needs hope only for its people, the Army and Navy,
    other travel companions, and so far everything is going well and rolling.
  41. Forever so
    Forever so April 21 2016 18: 41
    +3
    Well, you decided to become the emperor of White Russia, to begin the dynasty, well so be it. Japan lives without any wells, the whole world supplies electronics. And you are more like not the emperor, but um, you twist your ass, looking for someone more profitable to substitute. Ugh.
  42. GUSAR
    GUSAR April 21 2016 19: 34
    +2
    That's when democracy comes to the priests with euro values ​​- let him go and understand, do not let figs go to Russia with refuge. The predecessor, too, should be sent to the homeland
  43. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 21 2016 19: 39
    +1
    MAZ is just a plant, and it works on our 90% diesel engines and 10% MAN. To weld a cab, a frame and put in import bridges, you can get a working faceless truck for the domestic market. It will be bought if it is reliable and inexpensive and has the support of a credit state. KAMAZ is heading towards this path; on a civil topic, the value of MAZ is doubtful. On a military subject:
    1. The tonnage of machines for the Strategic Missile Forces begins to decrease, therefore, lighter models are needed.
    2. We need new (civilian) diesel engines with a large resource of 500-100 hp
    This means that all the same, financial injections into the project of heavy tractors and trucks are needed.
    Why invest in a foreign company? Then Dad will say that it's all him again! And when curtailing the state order for MAZ and re-equipping KAMAZ with new engines and units, how long will MAZ last? What are its sales outside the CIS? What are the unique competencies of MAZ? (I'm not talking about heavy cars).
  44. Lazy person
    Lazy person April 21 2016 19: 39
    0
    Quote: GUSAR
    That's when democracy comes to the priests with euro values ​​- let him go and understand, do not let figs go to Russia with refuge. The predecessor, too, should be sent to the homeland

    It’s in vain, you would have taken Yanyka to sit in Donetsk at least symbolically.
    1. avt
      avt April 21 2016 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: Lazy dog
      It’s in vain, you would have taken Yanyka to sit in Donetsk at least symbolically.

      laughing Yes, he in Crimea wanted to stay !!! laughing Why should we chain him to a monument, so that he wouldn’t run away !? laughing
      1. Lazy person
        Lazy person April 21 2016 22: 20
        0
        Quote: avt
        laughing Yes, he in Crimea wanted to stay !!! laughing Why should we chain him to some monument so that he wouldn’t run away ?! laughing

        Why chain ?? In addition to Russia, he had nowhere to retreat, because of bondage he would have had to stay. He is not an ordinary person, but the leaders, as he was, there are no excuses like "What do you want from an old man".
  45. Baloo
    Baloo April 21 2016 19: 56
    +1
    Lukashenko is ready ... I'm not ready. What KAMAZ can not cope with the task of creating tractors or mining trucks? Maybe Russia will not be able to build port cranes?
    Lukashenko is not a reliable partner, not a friend or brother. Money for a barrel - get the goods. And that’s all.
  46. Holsten
    Holsten April 21 2016 19: 57
    +1
    It is necessary to support the proposal and positively resolve the issue raised. But only if Comrade Lukashenko agrees to transfer from his post to the post of head of oil development. But what, an active, proactive comrade — such are needed in the national economy.
  47. gur4enk
    gur4enk April 21 2016 21: 20
    +6
    Oh, this cunning Old Man, why did he decide to change his old and unprofitable MZKT for the field! You are not ConocoPhillips, Chevron, Shell, etc. - did not come out face. And besides, he wants everything for free. Ay yay yay - you are not a friend to us, not a brother, not a "partner" (they are mostly Western)!
  48. hobot
    hobot April 21 2016 21: 24
    +2
    Brothers - Slavs - everything is right - while we are biting - we are undressed and have.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 24 2016 21: 01
      0
      When the west shuts off Lukashenko’s oxygen, he hurries to Moscow.
      When oxygen is shut off to us, hurries to the West. now decided to Erdogan wave. fool
      No oil and gas at preferential prices. Money for a barrel. angry
  49. faterdom
    faterdom April 21 2016 22: 01
    +3
    There was already one such one - everyone also wanted to put our oil fields under foreign jurisdiction. Michal Borisovich was called. True, what was the name on the zone later - I won’t say for sure. Released by parole after serving more than 10 years for sewing mittens.
  50. Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 April 21 2016 22: 44
    +2
    Even everyone attacked the Old Man, to whom do oil births belong now? Yes, Americans, English and other foreign crap are operating on them, and what he wanted for the benefit of his state, unlike ours, which they only put in their own pockets, it’s bad to buy oil and it’s bad, and yes, it’s better to have a mobile phone for they’ll give away kickbacks, they have already sold off the whole Country, foreign capital everywhere, they swear at us, and we attract all foreign investments like suckers, we go to bow to them, but dad is bad, but we have to support and help each other - we are brothers and if we need Belarusian tractors, and he needs oil to help each other so much. Everything is probably that Lukashenko, unlike what kind of mobile or other American Sharaga rollback will not give and therefore it is not interesting