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Who needs Siberia and when will Moscow become Russia?

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I do not want to watch TV! At least all these economic programs are accurate. Any central channel, when it raises the topic of wages or living standards in the regions, invites leading experts, department heads, ministries ... In short, those who, in the opinion of channel managers, really influence the resolution of these issues.


Well-dressed, judging by their appearance, well-fed people tell Russians how to live correctly ... And you have to live like an idiot from an advertisement. Remember, "a good director will not leave without a pension ..." You must fight for your rights ... You must demand ... You must, must, must ... And they (company directors, business owners, foremen, foremen and etc.) must give you ...

Yes, Christmas trees, sticks ... Dear Muscovites, well, you ride to Russia. Not a picnic, but just a look. We have destroyed villages not because the men in these villages drank themselves, and they do not need anything. And the roads in the spring washes away not from what they build badly. Even kindergartens on parental support are not from the wealth of these same parents.

It's disgusting to look at how, for the picture, to create the appearance of “everything is in order”, the TV reporters are forced to sculpt a pseudo-truth. Russia, the one that is not in Moscow, sees the truth every day. And hears. Do not like it - you can leave. Do not hold ...

He knows that it’s like in the programs for housewives (those who are at the time when men are injected) are secular lionesses (interesting profession, like a kept woman, or what?), Actresses, representatives of some charity foundations, Duma and other deputies. And they begin to dishonor a peasant from the village of Upper Nizhnyaki, when he speaks with pride of working with a salary of 20 thousand rubles.

And they all together talk about how they achieved everything in Moscow. And no one will say that for these V. Nizhnyakov the salary in 20000 rubles is huge. And the man really plows to get this money. And he understands that with any "jamb" he will fly out of this warm place faster than a cork from a bottle of champagne.

Once I also came to Siberia in the same way and argued with the local aborigines. We, in Moscow, plow three jobs to live in dignity. And here you are on one, and you also want to live in the same way ... I argued to “grab the breasts”, to foam on the lips. And did not recognize any arguments. Do not want to live, and that's it ... How is there no work? This makes no sense...

But as time passed, I was fed up with Moscow life. Believe it or not, but I have come “for a time” to this forgotten God of Siberia. I understand that now many will grab the keyboard. How is it - about Siberia? That's how. It is the territory forgotten by God and people. The closet of the country from which various minerals are simply taken out. Get out simple "movers" with the appropriate wage.

I constantly read about some government programs for the development of Siberia and the Far East. Some billions are investing somewhere. Something is being built somewhere. What just do not read. Bravo! And again, bravo! You give Siberia as a place of welfare for those who are not afraid of extreme cold, who are not afraid of the summer heat, as in the average desert, those who are not afraid to spend a week, two, three apart from any civilization because of the storm, flooding and other delights of ours weather!

Yes, the edge is difficult! The edge is not for wimps! But this land is not for the exiles. When the king - yes ... But today the king is not. And Russia is pumping the riches of Siberia in such a way that none of the Romanovs ever dreamed of. So why do we live like this?

Why do people live in “poor” Moscow as many as in Siberia and the Far East combined? Why are talented young people (and we have as many talents as everywhere else, plus our “stubborn” character) fleeing to Russia? Talented in everything.

The country was stirred up by the question from Omsk about the roads. How many copies are broken on all the channels about these roads! And how many nasty things are written and said to the mayor and the governor ... And with some malice some commented on the words about the beginning of the repair. After all, they found money. So there they are! Yes, no them! We have no money.

I do not read how to restore the road. I just look out the window of the bus or bus. Yes, they started to work. And they will work until winter. Yes, until winter. And in the spring there will be the same problems again. We have such a weather. That thaw, the water in the asphalt is poured, then frost for 40. And tearing this very asphalt.

And the money really was there. The president said and found. But lost elsewhere. The mayors of our cities today are probably the most unhappy people. Breaks everywhere, but there is no money. There are huge refineries, there are factories that produce products of world quality. The same "Pinocchio" and "Sunny" Omsk production. And the hard workers in these factories receive 18-25 thousand rubles.

But all these plants, factories, institutes bought by someone and sometime. Belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid, respectively, there too.

You have no idea with what hatred the workers of these enterprises speak about nonresident "owners". These are people who built these plants in the Soviet era. People who are affiliated with these walls, machine tools, even with trees in the area. This is a house. Exactly the same as an apartment or city. And now this house is simply robbed. Destroy everything and everyone, without investing anything in the new. What for? Temporary workers.

When you read our ideological opponents about the problems of Siberia and the Far East, no matter how scary it is to admit it, there is a reason in their words. There is much talk about the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, who "spread their mouths" into our territories. But. Dear readers, if Russia needs these territories only to take it, then ... Why was Omsk a garden city in the USSR? Any Omsk confirm my words. Everywhere flowers, everywhere trees, everywhere parks. And today it is a big, poorly cleaned village.

People came here from all over the Union and stayed. Stayed in a new homeland. They gave birth to children, built houses. Extracted oil. People came to places where they were, at least, not worse than at home. And if you take into account the benefits that were provided to Siberians, it is better. And today they are running. Run from hopelessness. From the reproaches of Moscow "who know how to live." Run from Siberia. Run from the Far East.

And in the place of those who left, representatives of fraternal peoples come. When I was in school, it was almost impossible to meet Kazakhs. At least, I remember exactly, there was not one in our parallel. Although Kazakhstan has not become closer since that time. In kilometers, of course. Students were. Cadres were trained for the entire Union. And there were no locals.

Today 3 of 10 you meet will be of eastern appearance. If not more.

So, gentlemen Rus-Muscovites? Do you need Siberia? Or to hell with us? Get out as you want? We get out. But for now, the hatred of Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to this. But time is ticking. And hate is growing.
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  1. St Petrov
    St Petrov April 21 2016 11: 37
    -222%
    Moscow is the capital of Russia. The author is enough of this envy

    Directly annoying. Let's sing a song about Mosk * lei.

    Take a ride in the village? Nothing that 90% of the village left for Moscow?

    It's time to leave tales about snickering Muscovites in the past. 50% of "Muscovites" are visitors. Those who spend more than 30 thousand rubles on housing rent. + a metro ticket costs 50 rubles one way.

    Tell me about the cost of a minibus in Volgograd or topic in Sevastopol.

    Whoever thinks that living in Moscow is sugar and easy - he simply never lived in Moscow.

    PS I’m not a Muscovite myself, but I’m wildly annoyed to become with such and similar headlines.

    I am sure that in Volgograd there are people who receive 100 for, the same people are in Vladimir and in Vladivostok. As with Moscow, there are people receiving 20k.

    So, gentlemen Rus-Muscovites? Do you need Siberia? Or to hell with us? Get out as you want? We get out. But for now, the hatred of Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to this. But time is ticking. And hate is growing.


    I am sure that you have a neighbor in "Siberia" who has everything in life (he probably works a lot and takes risks) and who does not hate Muscovites - he just has no time.

    1. bulvas
      bulvas April 21 2016 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: c-Petrov
      I am sure that you have a neighbor in "Siberia" who has everything in life (he probably works a lot and takes risks) and who does not hate Muscovites - he just has no time.


      My relatives and friends live and work in Krasnoyarsk

      I go to them regularly

      Ordinary people, work hard, live well, raise children, send to study in St. Petersburg and Moscow, travel a lot around the country

      so do not agree with the author

      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 21 2016 11: 56
        +54
        Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin to move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 April 21 2016 12: 58
          +30
          Quote: Thrall
          Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin to move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.

          Why to Omsk? It is necessary to build a new capital.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 21 2016 15: 08
            +124
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Why to Omsk? It is necessary to build a new capital.

            No need to build new capitals. You just need to change the tax code and force enterprises to pay taxes to those entities and municipalities where the production and people working in this production are located. You can still add something, but this is one of the main ones ...
            1. Hort
              Hort April 21 2016 15: 21
              +16
              Need, Need. And it is the new city, which will be the purely administrative center of the Federation. Like won Astana or Washington.
              The infrastructure of large cities in Siberia will not be able to withstand the load of the capital.
              1. tolmachiev51
                tolmachiev51 April 21 2016 18: 11
                +8
                no need to again collect all this "golot" in one place. MRH-Vladivostok, MMF-Murmansk, etc. under modern conditions of communication and communications, I think everything will function very well. By the way, this issue has already been raised at the government level.
              2. uwzek
                uwzek April 21 2016 19: 13
                +15
                Quote: hort
                The infrastructure of large cities in Siberia will not be able to withstand the load of the capital.

                And what a great load of the capital? The need to endure traffic stops due to the passage of officials' crap tuples? More and nothing, the rest are show-offs. Let the government into the swamps of Vasyugan, there their helicopters will not hurt anyone, and let Moscow begin to work.
                1. Hort
                  Hort April 26 2016 11: 49
                  0
                  as a person who recently moved to work in Moscow, I can say that everyone plows here like ants.
            2. the most important
              the most important April 21 2016 18: 53
              +14
              Quote: ARES623
              No need to build new capitals. You just need to change the tax code and force enterprises to pay taxes to those entities and municipalities where the production and people working in this production are located. You can still add something, but this is one of the main ones ...

              The authorities have been talking about this for about 10 years ... talking ... talking ... and enterprises will re-register in the capital.
            3. uwzek
              uwzek April 21 2016 19: 05
              +20
              Quote: hort
              make enterprises pay taxes to those entities and municipalities where production and people working in this production are located.

              That’s exactly what they still don’t do. Although there is no difference for the federal budget, it has its share anyway. And the rest of the money should remain in the place of their earning, and not in the great industrial St. Petersburg, Moscow and other idle regional centers.
            4. Naum
              Naum April 21 2016 22: 01
              +57
              100%! But ... "z'ist wines z'ist, who will give it to me?" Allow THIS - the not sickly living standard of Muscovites will collapse, and they will come out on the squares all sorts of different, incl. and Reds. The authorities need it?
              Definitely: today's Moscow is a huge, insatiable and ruthless parasite on the body of Russia! Together with Peter. Why is the salary of a nurse in a district hospital - 8 thousand, in a regional hospital - 16, in a Moscow one - 40? The work is the same. And so don't touch anything. Even the pensions are doubled. "The city pays extra". From Russian dimes. "Is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road, is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road - science is unknown to" Capital "Science ...
              1. uskrabut
                uskrabut April 22 2016 08: 37
                +11
                but this is a fact of territorial discrimination - a gross violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Only no one is trying not to notice
              2. mole
                mole April 23 2016 09: 04
                +2
                Quote: Naum
                "Is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road, is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road - science does not know this"

                There is life outside the Moscow Ring Road, only a federal-level official knows this very life from papers (reports, certificates, etc.) A piece of paper (reporting document) drawn up by a lower official, if it reaches Moscow, then so many proofreaders will "work" on it (because . work "with the hands of the driver" is often reduced to the proofreading of the reporting document, because it is easier to like a higher boss), that the meaning will be distorted. The main thing is that it should be well or softer on paper. Conduct an experiment: take 10 people, tell the first story (read an excerpt of the text) so that others may not hear, let the first retell to the second, the second to the third, and so on until the last. You will see how much your primary information will be distorted by the last narrator.
                Sometimes some officials remind Western scientists of the 18-19 centuries who studied life in offices and believed that everything had been open for a long time and nothing new could be discovered, and therefore they "worked" in offices, and not on the ground.
              3. dogens
                dogens April 26 2016 13: 15
                0
                Quote: Naum
                100%! Why is the salary of a nurse in a regional hospital - 8 thousand, in the regional -16, in Moscow - 40? The work is the same.


                Erysipelas did not come out, but was born not there, but did not move on time ....
            5. korvin1976
              korvin1976 April 22 2016 12: 12
              +8
              The main thing is not even the deduction of taxes at the place of enterprise, anyway, these taxes for the most part go to the federal budget, and from there they are already distributed. Part remains of course, but not the point.
              Here the problem is different, the problem is the minimum wage in Russia as a whole. Too much difference in the minimum wage. For example, the minimum wage in Moscow in 2016 was 17,3 thousand rubles, the minimum wage in the same central region, but at a certain distance:
              Moscow region: 12,5k rubles
              Ryazan region: 7,5k rubles
              Oryol Region: 9778 rubles
              Minimum wage in other regions:
              Arkhangelsk Region: 6204
              Komi Republic: 6500
              Rostov Region: 6204
              Republic of Mordovia: 6204
              Samara region: 6204
              Tyumen region: 9300
              Sverdlovsk region: 8862
              Republic of Buryatia: 6204
              Tuva Republic: 6204
              Republic of Khakassia: 6204
              Republic of Sakha (Yakutia): 15390
              Kamchatka Territory: 15800-18230
              Primorsky Krai: 6204
              Khabarovsk Territory: 9485
              I think that's enough for comparison. Surprisingly, the minimum wage is more than in Moscow only in the regions in fact of the far north, in all the rest it is 1.5-2 times less. The country is the same, the prices are the same (plus or minus). It is precisely because of this that such inequality occurs. I live in the Tula region, we have a minimum wage of 12500, employees in my organization (cleaners) receive salaries from 12500, in fact more (allowances, overtime, etc.). And I have acquaintances who live at "some" distance from Moscow, and they already receive there, in executive (small and medium-level) positions, about 15k rubles, because they have only 6200 minimum wages there. So compare the salary of the Cleaner and the salary of the Master on a site at a fairly large plant.
            6. runk42
              runk42 April 22 2016 15: 16
              +12
              Well, dreamers gathered here! Siberia is interesting to our rulers only as a raw materials appendage. The development of Siberia is a chatter! A simple example. When military schools were reduced, they were liquidated in Irkutsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, etc. And similar ones were left in central Russia. But these are jobs, financing, etc. And flying to their families in Europe and America from Siberia is not convenient for the servants of the people!
              1. polk-66
                polk-66 April 23 2016 08: 40
                +1
                Quote: runk42
                Well, dreamers gathered here! Siberia is interesting to our rulers only as a raw materials appendage. The development of Siberia is a chatter! A simple example. When military schools were reduced, they were liquidated in Irkutsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, etc. And similar ones were left in central Russia. But these are jobs, financing, etc. And flying to their families in Europe and America from Siberia is not convenient for the servants of the people!

                I support what was said, now only monuments remain, as in Kemerovo (put at the expense of the funds collected by the graduates themselves) !!!
          2. yehat
            yehat April 22 2016 11: 50
            +2
            not the capital - we need normal control centers that can do something without regard to Moscow
          3. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel April 23 2016 12: 11
            +2
            The capital of what? St. Petersburg is the cultural capital, Moscow is just the capital, where all the "chosen people of the people" sit who, on behalf of the people, manage the people's funds so that nothing will fly past their pockets. It is also the historical capital from the beginning of the creation of the Russian kingdom. If you create ... or rather try to create the capital of Russian business, then the government must be transferred there, the mafia and the government cannot be divided, they cannot be bent without each other. That is why Putin decided to expand the capital, in the north there is a historical part, and in the south there is a business-criminal part.
          4. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few April 23 2016 16: 01
            +1
            The problem is solved simply. We identify the most problematic region and transfer the capital there, and so on, you look and raise mother Russia.
        2. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich April 21 2016 13: 03
          +139
          The question was different, namely, if the Communists under the USSR took care and fed the people, then the current government simply milks them. Capitalism, but capitalism needs a resource, that is, we.
          1. Constructor1
            Constructor1 April 21 2016 13: 33
            +57
            But all these plants, factories, institutes bought by someone and sometime. Belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid, respectively, there too.

            That is, all the city-forming enterprises have collapsed or brought to Moscow and St. Petersburg ..., the city is bankrupt, the teachers were reduced by coefficients, so the wife is about 30-40% in this school. year gets less.
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            The question was different, namely, if the Communists under the USSR took care and fed the people, then the current government simply milks him. Capitalism, but capitalism needs a resource, that is, we.

            This is the whole point.
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS April 21 2016 21: 13
              +10
              Quote: Designer 1
              This is the whole point.

              In order for the cow to eat less and give more milk, it needs to be milked more and less fed. (C) Not mine
              1. Weyland
                Weyland April 21 2016 23: 15
                +12
                Quote: fennekRUS
                In order for the cow to eat less and give more milk, it needs to be milked more and less fed. (FROM)


                Add to your piggy bank:
                Samurai Wisdom:
                "Don't kill the peasant - but don't let him live either!"
                "The peasant is like a sesame seed: the more you squeeze, the more you squeeze!"

                Boyar Wisdom (Romanian):
                "A Romanian and an ox are one and the same, only an ox is more expensive!"

                Noble wisdom (French):
                "Jacques the Simplest (= peasant) has a broad back - he will endure everything!"

                The only question is what ended following this wisdom ...
                1. CONTROL
                  CONTROL April 22 2016 07: 07
                  +7
                  Quote: Weyland
                  The only question is what ended following this wisdom ...

                  Add a short joke:
                  -Gypsies thought of the know-how: to teach a horse to do without food! I started to teach - it reduces my diet, daily portion ... I taught, I taught ... I totally learned it, but bad luck - the horse died! ...
              2. Weyland
                Weyland April 21 2016 23: 15
                +1
                Quote: fennekRUS
                In order for the cow to eat less and give more milk, it needs to be milked more and less fed. (FROM)


                Add to your piggy bank:
                Samurai Wisdom:
                "Don't kill the peasant - but don't let him live either!"
                "The peasant is like a sesame seed: the more you squeeze, the more you squeeze!"

                Boyar Wisdom (Romanian):
                "A Romanian and an ox are one and the same, only an ox is more expensive!"

                Noble wisdom (French):
                "Jacques the Simplest (= peasant) has a broad back - he will endure everything!"

                The only question is what ended following this wisdom ...
            2. Bath
              Bath April 22 2016 21: 00
              0
              Yes, do not worry, comrades, after 30 years, another country will be beyond the Urals, and then live in China consumer goods cheap shaft learn the main language
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 14: 31
            +48
            Dear, Author, while in our country there will be differentiation of people on the principle of gentlemen / slaves, everything will move even more in the worst direction.
            The second thesis, if the salary, standard of living, infrastructure in the capitals will differ significantly from the regions, then, accordingly, the population (mainly young people) will move to the capitals.
            Third, the local "princelings" will do something for the people, exclusively, out of hand, since their standard of living is comparable to that of the capital's "elite".
            But in general, I completely agree with the respected Mareman
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            Вthe survey was different, namely, if the Communists under the USSR took care and fed the people, then the current government simply milks them. Capitalism, but capitalism needs a resource, that is, we.
            1. user
              user April 22 2016 11: 45
              +7
              then, accordingly, the population (mainly young people) will move to the capitals.


              Earlier in the early 80s, I didn’t even hear that anyone would leave Novosibirsk for Moscow, now everyone is eager for the capital (young people first, and then parents), but how many people from Central Asia (especially from Kazakhstan, children they study and stay, and their parents move behind them and they all say the same thing, Nazarbayev will leave and no one can predict what will happen in the republic, but everyone remembers well what happened in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, there are many such refugees in Novosibirsk and nobody I did not forget and the forecast is predicted in advance).
              If this situation does not change, then Siberia by itself will go to someone, without any revolution and interference from outside. There will simply be no need to protect anyone.
          3. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 21 2016 15: 15
            +5
            So, gentlemen Rus-Muscovites? Do you need Siberia? Or to hell with us? Get out as you want? We get out. But for now, the hatred of Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to this. But time is ticking. And hate is growing.

            Although I have nothing to do with Moscow, I immediately wanted to get into my wallet and transfer the last couple of thousand to Omsk, if only the author left Siberia as part of Russia. By the way, why is Omsk better than other cities? Almost all of Russia lives like this (except for millionaires)! And then what? What kind of blackmail? Give us money, or will we quietly hate you first, and then go to the Chinese? By the way, who should I make a claim to for my city? Muscovites too? And what Muscovites? Which dig in for 12 hours? Or are they still questions to the local authorities and the Government of the Russian Federation, which is not at all the same with Muscovites?
            PS By the way, regarding landscaping. Organize a clean-up, plant seedlings, etc. Or should Muscovites also come? And then to clean up who the hell you collect. Everyone has important things to do, work, problems ... But it’s just to clean this house. the company must! The fact that she did not shit there does not bother anyone. May 9, because soon, but we are paying money, the housing and communal services are there! But the janitor does not want to dig carefully for 10 ty in dog shit. What to do? Everyone around must. And everyone must be quietly hated
            1. aviator65
              aviator65 April 21 2016 16: 05
              +5
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              And what Muscovites? Which dig in for 12 hours? Or are they still questions to the local authorities and the Government of the Russian Federation, which is not at all the same with Muscovites?

              Correctly noticed! And then some do not want to see the difference.
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 21 2016 16: 48
                0
                Quote: aviator65
                And then some do not want to see the difference.

                What for? This is a very trendy theme! Stop feeding Moscow! Moscow also interfered with Kiev at 91. There they have "stick a stick, they started growing bananas right away." Moscow is gone, so what? The princes have become smaller in size. As I understand it, the author proposes to revise the formation of the budget. Well, here we are here with an authoritative and discussing. At the highest, so to speak, level, and competently
                1. uwzek
                  uwzek April 21 2016 19: 38
                  +18
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  This is a very fashionable theme!

                  You, corporal, try to gracefully answer the question, why are most of the Russian corporations, whose boards are located in Moskau, and thousands of their employees, who sometimes plow more than 12 hours a day, are scattered all over Russia, to deduct taxes to the budget of the capital? Your, corporal, "fashionable theme" is related to "stop thief", which everyone knows who shouts.
                  There is a problem. While they are trying to shrug it off (basically, pretending to be absent). But it’s stupid to think that this will be forever. And then your Swamps will appear as a masquerade. After all, the motherland, corporal, sees everything and forgets nothing ...
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera April 21 2016 20: 19
                    +5
                    Quote: uwzek
                    You, corporal, try to gracefully answer the question.

                    Well, in the first lines of the letter, "corporal" is not my title (no matter how much you would like it), but my nickname and he, like the name, is spelled with a capital letter (at least it is written this way for me). And if you have already decided to flaunt your social status (I don’t know what you have), then you should not do it in every sentence, otherwise it looks funny.
                    Secondly, I, like you, see this problem, but I do not see its solution. I already wrote below (you probably didn’t see it) that most regions are subsidized and if you leave taxes locally, then this will not be enough for everyone. What do we do? In general, if such a question was raised, then I would like to see an article with expert opinion, numbers and statistics, and not with empty calls to shoot everyone, and take everything away. This is my personal opinion. I would like specific proposals.
                    1. Corporal Valera
                      Corporal Valera April 21 2016 21: 20
                      +2
                      PS
                      Quote: uwzek
                      And then your Swamps will appear as a masquerade.

                      I wrote that I had nothing to do with Moscow. And Bolotnaya is the same "our" as yours.
                      Quote: uwzek
                      After all, the motherland, corporal, sees everything and forgets nothing ...

                      So she won't forget Poklonnaya
                    2. avia1991
                      avia1991 April 21 2016 22: 04
                      +20
                      Quote: Corporal Valera
                      most regions subsidized

                      ..and this despite the fact that most of the enterprises still operating are located in the regions! So all the same: "the regions are subsidized" - or "the Moscow" owners "of the majority of enterprises made them such, with the help of the central government ?!
                      1. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 22: 58
                        +14
                        Quote: avia1991
                        or "they were made so" by the Moscow "owners" of most enterprises, with the help of the central government

                        Moscow, St. Petersburg, Tambov, what, in fact, the difference, ordinary people live all over the country equally badly.
                        And the Muscovites are not foreign, well, what kind of Muscovites they are, they are the same Ryazan, Kursk, Novgorod Tula, Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk, Asian, Chechen and other, other .., and the indigenous ones are on the fingers. Yes, and not Moscow, now it’s all at all — it is Maskvastan, Maskvad, as you wish, without special morality and principles.
                        But, of course, there are quite good decent people there, but there are many more crooks.
                      2. avia1991
                        avia1991 April 21 2016 23: 20
                        +9
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        only rogues much more.

                        So about them, in fact, the speech. And the real, native Muscovite will understand this, and will not be offended. And out of the way - it's not Muscovites. They - indigenous - genetic rudeness prevents intelligence. wink
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                      4. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 23: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: avia1991
                        And the real, native Muscovite will understand this, and will not be offended. And out of the way - it's not Muscovites. They - indigenous - genetic rudeness prevents intelligence

                        Your golden words, Comrade! drinks
                      5. Freeman
                        Freeman April 22 2016 01: 21
                        +3
                        avia1991 (5) RU Yesterday, 23:20 PM ↑

                        But it's still a shame that such "cream" stains everything around.
                    3. Freeman
                      Freeman April 22 2016 01: 15
                      +2
                      PHANTOM-AS (3) RU Yesterday, 22:58 p.m. ↑

                      This is the problem of all megalopolises, that “creamy” means not only a place for “cream”, but also a place where “dung is drained”. And if it is also a capital, the problem is only getting worse.
                2. aviator65
                  aviator65 April 21 2016 22: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  I would like specific proposals.

                  I also do not understand. The author addresses his complaints to Muscovites without specifying to whom specifically. By his logic, every Muscovite is at least a member of the board of a corporation, a member of the board of directors, well, at worst, a clerk of some kind of Gazprom. And all have appropriate salaries, naturally at the expense of the rest of Russia. "But all these plants, factories, institutes were bought out by someone and sometime. They belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid, accordingly, there." And the author knows who is included in the management of the listed concerns, including such giants as the same Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft? Really, exclusively, Muscovites? And in the government? I am silent about the deputies. Why are these guys, having taken off so high and landing in Moscow, amicably turning their backs to the rest of Russia?
                  "And the money really was found. The President said, and it was found. But it was lost elsewhere. The mayors of our cities are probably the most unfortunate people today. Tears everywhere, but there is no money. There are huge oil refineries, there are factories that produce world-class products The same "Buratino" and "Solntsepeki" of Omsk production. And hard workers at these factories receive 18-25 thousand rubles. "
                  Sorry, but in Moscow the average salary at industrial enterprises, including the aviation industry, is 25-28 thousand rubles, and even lower at the latter. And in the housing and communal services system, in general, 10-15 thousand, and it is unrealistic for a Muscovite to get a job, even for a part-time job! And in the leadership of all kinds of management companies, REO, GUIS - solid "Muscovites"! You don't even need to talk about doctors in clinics and other state employees. So, it turns out that there is no money in Moscow either? And what should we, "snickering" Muscovites do, who should we complain about?
                  Here I am, a Muscovite, indigenous. My parents are Muscovites, their parents were also Muscovites, they have worked in production all their lives. I myself am neither a bureaucratic nor a business-managerial fraternity, and at the same time I make good money, even by Moscow standards. Only for my salary I have to spend months not getting out of business trips, and in such "holes" of our vast Motherland, of which the same Omsk (not so neglected city, by the way, I liked) will seem like a "super-megalopolis". And I, being a "snickering" Muscovite, know perfectly well what is -46 in the taiga, and what is an insatiable mosquito that you can't dismiss, and what it's like to shake in a turntable for 3 hours over the tundra. So what am I to blame for the "rest" of Russia? And what should I do now? Can I send half of my salary to the Urals, to the same Omsk, where there is no money because of people like me?
                  By the way, it was mentioned here that shift workers of the same Rosneft are forced to work for 30 thousand per month. And anyone was interested in how much a deputy chief engineer for "incomprehensible issues" gets in the management of the same Yuganskneftegaz (a regional division of Rosneft)? Or are there Muscovites in Neftyugansk too?
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 April 21 2016 23: 28
                    +6
                    Quote: aviator65
                    And in the housing and communal services system, it’s generally 10-15 thousand, and it’s impossible to get a Muscovite there, even for a part-time job!

                    And I even know why! laughing However, this reason is present in the housing system throughout Russia.
                    Quote: aviator65
                    I have to get out of business trips for months
                    and here it is interesting: it turns out that your company has interests throughout Russia? Does he "sit" in Moscow? And the margin from your, including, activities, goes to Moscow? Or how? .. It is quite obvious that this is so - otherwise, no one would drive you around the country, because it would be economically unjustified - especially with the payment of salaries, not bad
                    Quote: aviator65
                    even by Moscow standards

                    So the author is trying to say this hi
                  2. aviator65
                    aviator65 April 22 2016 06: 46
                    0
                    Quote: avia1991
                    and here it is interesting: it turns out that your company has interests throughout Russia? Does he "sit" in Moscow? And the margin from your, including your activities, goes to Moscow? Or how?..

                    Or how. Firstly, my company is not based in Moscow. There is one of the representative offices in Moscow, of which there are several in Russia. Secondly, she pays taxes from her income (including the tax on salary) to the budget. Russian, not Moscow. As well as all other companies and concerns that comply with the legislation of the Russian Federation. The fact that the central financial structures of the country are concentrated in the capital is also a "merit" of ordinary Muscovites?
                3. CONTROL
                  CONTROL April 22 2016 07: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: aviator65
                  Here I am, a Muscovite, indigenous. My parents are Muscovites, their parents were also Muscovites ...
                  ... So what am I to blame for the "rest" of Russia?

                  ... And the fact that you, a Muscovite, are a person close to "the emperor's priest" ... you sit in the State Duma ... you are taken to the ministry in a Porsche - personal drivers, directly from your personal dacha (villa, palace, bungalow ... or what?)!
                  Oh no !? and did not stand close? Then all this is not about you! And you are not quite a "Muscovite", even though you are in the third generation ...
                  ----------
                  The article is actually about a centralized government that does not want to think about the "periphery" ... until this periphery "dries up"! It seems - as long as the teeth, jaws and stomach are working properly, you don't have to wash your legs ... and don't put shoes on ... and don't put on your pants ... They'll get sick, or - God forbid, they'll start to fall off, then - maybe! - and think about it! ...
                4. aviator65
                  aviator65 April 22 2016 14: 30
                  +3
                  Since gentlemen Muscovites Rusich? Do you need Siberia? Or the hell with us? Get out as you want? We will get out. But for now, the hatred of the Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to it. But time is running out. And hatred is growing.
                  So to whom does the author of the article still address his cry of the soul?
                  Quote: CONTROL
                  The article is actually about a centralized government that does not want to think about the "periphery" ... until this periphery "dries up"!

                  And where are Moscow and Muscovites here then? Or did the author hesitate to call a spade a spade? A heading like: "Does the Russian government need Russia?" or "When will the Kremlin remember Siberia (or the regions)?" However, instead, something is presented that resembles "Muscovites have eaten all the bacon!"
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL April 22 2016 07: 31
              +6
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              ... most regions are subsidized, and if we leave taxes on the ground, then this will not be enough for everyone.

              How did they become subsidized? And the enterprises from the "deep ass" of Russia - Moscow? Is it not a result of "privatization", where the main instrument was - and is to this day! - "letterhead, stamp and fountain pen" in the hands of an extremely centralized government?
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              ... and not with empty calls to shoot everyone, and take everything away. This is my personal opinion. I would like specific proposals.

              "... not to shoot everyone - partially" (C) (K / f "26 Baku commissars"); but it is necessary to take away - "deprivatize"!
              Today, many "Moscow enterprises" are located - by misunderstanding, the stump is clear! - in the regions, they simply work in emergency mode: wear and tear of equipment and communications, wear and tear of fixed assets, morally and financially! - obsolete equipment ...
              The Moscow "proprietors" do not invest anything in such enterprises, only "the blood of the soviet", and we are glad: the capital robots about us, the poor, are happy ("... pour it myself - I know, I see: delicious! Here, drink my blood, vile bloodsuckers! " will skip the moderator? All is - Vladimir Semenych, after all ...); and then - they throw it away, like a dirty rag, into a landfill ... They cast it - and - ...
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 22 2016 09: 50
                0
                Quote: CONTROL
                but it is necessary to take away - "deprivatize"!

                I hope you understand that within the existing social system this is not possible? If so, I’m far from enthusiastic about capitalism, but absolutely it’s not necessary to fly into the pink clouds.
              2. CONTROL
                CONTROL April 22 2016 12: 01
                0
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Quote: CONTROL
                but it is necessary to take away - "deprivatize"!

                I hope you understand that within the existing social system this is not possible? If so, I’m far from enthusiastic about capitalism, but absolutely it’s not necessary to fly into the pink clouds.

                So, Margot - who Thatcher - can be "deprivatized" (all in pink ... and iron, albeit a lady ...), and we can take an example from them (oh how !!! from Great English, no less!) immoral ?!
                ... Just under capitalism, it is much easier to do this: he is the owner - I want - I will give, I want - I will take back ("back" is written together, jargon, if CHO ... in order to avoid interpretations!).
        3. alexej123
          alexej123 April 21 2016 22: 55
          +7
          You know, for "maskerade" is it a threat or what? If so, then you are an ordinary liberal belolentochnik. You are essentially adopting their methods and words, they say so too. Further, although I am not with an economic education, although I have been working in production for a long time and is connected with the economy, explain to me, a former major, and not a corporal, how do you link the deductions of the enterprise and the salary on it? If they pay little, the first question to the owner is why? The company deducts, depending on the taxation system, at various levels - local, regional, federal. Second - in Moscow, you probably mean monopolies and giants - holding companies are registered, those that own the rest. The rest of the legal entities are registered mainly in the REGIONS, and of course taxes are paid there, even the notorious Russian Railways, Rosneft, Gazprom, etc. It is necessary to separate "flies from cutlets", and not dump everything in a heap. Open the databases "SPARK", "Kontur-Focus" and you will be surprised how many companies are registered in your region. And then open their balance sheets for the last reporting date and you will see that with a revenue of 1 billion, the net profit is 500 thousand. Here you are, roads, kindergartens, salaries of municipal workers. The usual legal way to avoid taxes. This is the tax code. And then "Moscow is to blame, see Siberia will secede." There were already such "breadwinners", separated.
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  2. fif21
    fif21 April 21 2016 18: 54
    +8
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    What kind of blackmail? Give us money or we will hate you quietly
    So the former Moskvich writes laughing My opinion is that Muscovites are rotten folk - arrogant, boorish, arrogant, but quickly trained laughing What kind of hatred for Muscovites is talked about ??? Lads from all over the USSR live there. wassat And St. Petersburg rules in general. And who is to blame that local officials are afraid to take responsibility? Just a little is the index finger to the top laughing Who should raise questions before the President? -Right Governor! And they, like in the USSR, are victorious reports lol There is no hatred towards them, rather a feeling of disgust hi
    1. reservist
      reservist April 21 2016 19: 52
      +10
      Quote: fif21
      My opinion is that Muscovites are rotten folk, arrogant, rude, arrogant

      these then flocked to the capital from all over the country ...
      and those who live in Moscow for more than one generation, as a rule, are no different from residents of other Russian cities
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 21 2016 20: 41
        +3
        Quote: reservist
        these then flocked to the capital from all over the country ...
        and those who live in Moscow for more than one generation, as a rule, are no different from residents of other Russian cities

        That's it. I didn’t understand why everyone is under one comb? Muscovites, then, are rotten, and all Omsk-nyashki? Why is there an appeal to Muscovites in the article?
        1. andr327
          andr327 April 21 2016 22: 15
          +14
          Opinion abroad. Comrade got out on a tour to France. So he was most struck by the question at the hotel: "Are you from Moscow or from Russia?"
          What is the conclusion?
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL April 22 2016 08: 00
            +1
            Quote: andr327
            Opinion abroad. Comrade got out on a tour to France. So he was most struck by the question at the hotel: "Are you from Moscow or from Russia?"
            What is the conclusion?

            This is what I call Good Question !!!
          2. reservist
            reservist April 22 2016 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: andr327
            What is the conclusion?

            that the same Muscovite Svetlakov, who was from the Urals, has already visited this hotel ...
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  4. jPilot
    jPilot April 22 2016 04: 47
    +4
    Class !!!! good There would be an opportunity, I would put more pluses. It's a pity, unfortunately (judging by the pluses of the article) there are few like us. Most people prefer to hate rather than roll up their sleeves and do something. For some reason, ours prefer to be given a well-paid job on a silver platter. And near the house theirs is "shit..no", the janitor of "eastern appearance" who is not afraid of work, removed it, then go to bend a piece of paper or pick up a cigarette butt thrown past the urn. request
    But everyone wants to live beautifully. BUT (I repeat) that someone would organize.
  5. andrew42
    andrew42 April 23 2016 14: 57
    0
    So the fact of the matter is that we are talking about the gesheftmakers who have dug in in Moscow, milking the whole country, and you are trying to cover them up with the problems of "Moscow servants". there are no special complaints about the Moscow slaves. Claims to the gentlemen.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 April 21 2016 15: 16
    +16
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    The question was different, namely, if the Communists under the USSR took care and fed the people, then the current government simply milks them. Capitalism, but capitalism needs a resource, that is, we.

    So the communists created this system. Under them, "sausage" routes began to go from the regions that cultivated and produced this "sausage". They concentrated the best universities and clinics in Moscow and thus fostered among the people an ineradicable urge to move to Moscow. Taxes will return to their territories, and Moscow will begin to disperse in different directions.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 21 2016 15: 57
      +19
      There has been no communist system for 25 years. So what? where there is a bit of a massive emergency with the victims, we are solemnly announced from the TV box: "The plane of the Ministry of Emergency Situations delivered to Moscow ..." And why is there none of this in the regions?
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 April 21 2016 22: 16
        +9
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And why in the regions there is none of this?

        And because the "invisible hand of the market", in which our President trusts, and which "milks" this very Russian market, stretches just from Moscow - and rakes the "cream" there, leaving skim milk with palm oil in the regions - and coma and fermented serum wassat
        Those hoping for the "self-regulation" of the market will never understand that under such regulation cannot be "everyone is good" “GOOD can only be with individual tavarischi.” Of course, due to the bad situation in most of the rest! These are elementary physical postulates: The law of conservation of energy, for example wink
        1. waleri
          waleri April 22 2016 02: 01
          +3
          Hello! I liked the realization that the market economy is good only at the initial stage of the robbery. ".. Those who hope for the" self-regulation "of the market will not understand in any way that with such regulation it cannot be" good for everyone "- only individual tavarisches can have GOOD. Of course, due to the shitty situation of the majority of the rest! These are elementary physical postulates: the Law of Conservation of Energy, for example .. "- Then comes the systematic accumulation of capital in those hands that have already acquired the initial predatory capital. The only insult is that in our economy the Anglo-Saxon direction began to prevail, which leads to the enrichment of individuals, and not the citizens of RUSSIA. so i think
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL April 22 2016 08: 09
            +1
            Quote: waleri
            ... I liked the realization that the market economy is good only at the initial stage of robbery. ".. Those who hope for the" self-regulation "of the market will not understand in any way that with such regulation," everyone is good "- only Of course, due to the shitty situation of most of the rest!

            "The sovereign cannot think about everyone, he must think about the important!"(C) (from the movie, it seems, "Barbara-beauty, long braid")
    2. reservist
      reservist April 21 2016 17: 38
      +4
      Quote: ARES623
      It is the Communists who created this system. ... They concentrated in Moscow the best universities, clinics and, thus, brought up the indestructible urge of people to move to Moscow.

      And under the kings, was it otherwise?
      adjusted for the fact that the capital was in St. Petersburg ...
    3. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich April 21 2016 18: 18
      +14
      Do not talk nonsense. The Communists built throughout the union, and you impose the time of the traitor and coward Gorbachev on the entire USSR, on its entire existence. Read more.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 April 21 2016 22: 02
        +2
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Do not talk nonsense. The Communists built throughout the union, and you impose the time of the traitor and coward Gorbachev on the entire USSR, on its entire existence. Read more.

        Dear comrade! I know "sausage" express trains not from books. The first coupons for certain types of food in Chelyabinsk, a city with a million inhabitants, the country's industrial support, I remember from 1977, under Leonid Brezhnev. When tractors from ChTZ flew out like pies, and their grain was no longer enough. And I want to point out to you that the IVS in 1953 left about 2150 tons of gold, by 1990 there were 290 tons of it. Gorbachev alone slapped almost 450 tons. Consequently, Khrushchev and Brezhnev also quite well patted the state purse. You yourself would not be bad to look through useful books.
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera April 22 2016 01: 29
          +4
          Quote: ARES623
          that the IVS in 1953 left about 2150 tons of gold,

          And in 1985, the gold reserve was 2500 tons, so Khrushchev and Brezhnev are out of business. In 1989, according to new customs rules, restrictions on the export of gold were removed. From Goskhran it was thrown into the market at the internal prices of the USSR. Outbid took him by the spear and resold abroad for bucks with a sickly fat. There were also "direct deliveries" through Vnesheconombank. The matter was arguing and by 1991 there were 250 tons of gold left + an awesome increase in external debt. So for all thanks to the hunchback bear. Has sold over 2000 tons.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 22 2016 06: 58
            -1
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            And in 1985, the gold reserve was 2500 tons.

            Where did the firewood come from? Different sources give numbers around 587,4 tons of gold. Where did the number 2500 come from?
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera April 22 2016 08: 24
              +1
              Quote: ARES623
              Where is the droushka?

              From the forest From here, at least.
              http://www.russiafederation.ru/historyrussia/2/2.htm
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 April 22 2016 12: 47
                +1
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                From the forest From here, at least.
                http://www.russiafederation.ru/historyrussia/2/2.htm

                The source is not good news ... But the deterioration of the general economic situation at the turn of the 70-80s, I remember very well because it was already completely sane. Today, 2500 and 22500 can be said, objectively, the shelves in the stores are empty, no meat, no butter, no sausages. only pearl barley with minced fish is abundant. And this is all over the Urals !!! It was better only in cities of the 1st category of supply (if you don’t know what it is, ask the elderly - they should remember). And by the age of 88-90, coupons were for almost all products (I had already served in St. Petersburg by that time) including vodka and wine. Only bread without coupons (political grounds). GDP then trained in managing the economy of St. Petersburg. Cigarette butts at stops in mayonnaise jars sold !!! But you should not load all the cones on Gorbachev. All ministries and departments were filled with old, still Brezhnev cadres. We went to that situation for a long time.
              2. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 22 2016 14: 56
                +1
                Quote: ARES623
                The source is not good news ...

                Yes, like you. Ktozh tell us the truth. And liberals generally say there was a gain.
                Quote: ARES623
                here is the deterioration of the general economic situation at the turn of the 70-80s, I remember very well because it was already completely sane

                request Afghan, Chernobyl ... Do not heal
                And by the age of 88-90, coupons were for almost all products

                It is already targeted yes
              3. ARES623
                ARES623 April 23 2016 08: 46
                +1
                Quote: Corporal Valera

                Afghan, Chernobyl ... Do not heal

                Afghan, Chernobyl in 1978? Well, damn it, you give .... Better look at the growth of grain purchases according to Goskomstat. On the other hand, you can refute any information from any source. After all, few people personally consider the volume of gold reserves, for example. Ukrainian TV for two years speaks of the Buryat armored police in the Donbass. What, count each Buryat and present his alibi? Therefore, I do not want to prove anything, I urge only to pay attention to indirect indicators of the state of the economy. I’ll say about Afghanistan, we fought all the way after the war. Participation in Korea did not interfere with economic growth and recovery after WWII.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 22 2016 08: 16
        0
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        ... In 1989, under the new customs rules, restrictions on the export of gold were lifted. From Goskhran he was thrown into the market at Soviet domestic prices. Outbid took him for a spear and resold abroad for bucks with a sickly fat.

        That is why Gaidai's comedy "The Diamond Hand" was called a "fantastic comedy" before its release! ... To smuggle "gold-diamonds-jewelry" into the Union for the purpose of resale and nightmarish enrichment!? ...
        The name "fantastic" was removed ... Not everyone, then, were suckers in the Ministry of Culture!
    4. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 18 May 2016 14: 19
      0
      Where did they get this gold, ate with bacon and buried it in the garden?
  • udincev
    udincev April 22 2016 12: 59
    0
    CCCP came to Gorbachev for a reason. And not just from outside helped. They (from the outside) had to rely on something inside. I relied, I think, on the disease of communism, clearly noticeable from Khrushchev.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 23 2016 15: 06
    0
    Once again I will support you. They even built "too much for EVERYTHING". To the detriment of the RSFSR, the outlying republics were developed, as if the RSFSR was the size of Liechtenstein with the same population. And then many high-tech enterprises, especially the consumer sector, bye-bye, floated away and disappeared into independent non-states. But who knew that a colossus would not get an infection in its head. thought for centuries And the "moles" of the Gobachev "diaspora" destroyed everything overnight.
  • fif21
    fif21 April 21 2016 19: 09
    +7
    Quote: ARES623
    So the communists created this system. With them, sausage routes from the regions began to go

    It is not a matter of the Communists and capitalists. Notice, all revolutions take place in the capitals! Any power tries to create maximum for those cities where it is located. Hence, salaries and pensions, and if before, people went to earn money in Siberia and the Far East, now they are going to Moscow.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 April 21 2016 22: 12
      +5
      Quote: fif21
      It is not a matter of the Communists and capitalists. Notice, all revolutions take place in the capitals! Any power tries to create maximum for those cities where it is located. Hence, salaries and pensions, and if before, people went to earn money in Siberia and the Far East, now they are going to Moscow.

      It is difficult to disagree, while creating a system of stratification of the regions and the whole society. This creates the prerequisites for a social explosion. In my opinion, the social tension between the bourgeois cap and the proletarian mass of the Russian population tends to increase, especially in megacities, where the hatred and rejection of one another are mutual and visible even with the naked eye.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 22 2016 08: 23
        0
        Quote: ARES623
        the social tension between the bourgeois cap and the proletarian mass of the population of Russia has a tendency to increase ... and the rejection of some by others is mutual and visible even with the naked eye.

        ... Peasant individuals "... from the Blagorastvorenie farm, in a simple way - Smerduny ..." (C) ("Distant Rainbow", A and B. Strugatsky)
        Mmmm-da-ah-ah ... Muzzles begin to clean each other specifically! ...
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 April 22 2016 12: 59
          0
          Quote: CONTROL
          Mmmm-da-ah-ah ... Muzzles begin to clean each other specifically! ...

          Remember the Civil War in Russia. Then, too, the rich and the poor mutually hated each other and did not want to enter into negotiations. Only pressure, and only terror. Today we are approaching this state. And the income statements of government officials, deputies, heads of state corporations, to put it mildly, ridicule those who barely exceeded 15 cr.
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  • sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin April 21 2016 18: 41
    +17
    The question was different, namely, if the Communists under the USSR took care and fed the people, then the current government simply milks them. Capitalism, but capitalism needs a resource, that is, we.

    Everyone has probably forgotten that capitalism is an exploitative system, when 1% of the population owns everything and enjoys all the benefits, the other 99% serve this 1% as slaves. In the Russian Federation, this is especially pronounced, since the owners of "factories-rivers-steamers" are not limited in their rights and they have the right to pay 6500 rubles a salary, and this is by law. And the worker has only duties and no rights, and if you don't like it, go out redneck cattle in your place there is a line of 100 people who are ready to work just for food.
    It is enough to drive 100 to 300 km from Moscow. and there’s no work at all, only for those same 6500 everything is so, and everything is everywhere.
    1. waleri
      waleri April 22 2016 02: 06
      0
      True! But it carries an assessment of what has been said. so i think
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 23 2016 14: 53
    0
    That's right. Moreover, these gentlemen remember the renewal of the "resource" (that is, the able-bodied population) once so every 4 years, discussing the general (!) Demography. A couple of exclamations in the style of "Oh, wei!", And a return to the fat Moscow table, to continue the "feast during the plague."
  • domokl
    domokl April 21 2016 13: 52
    +17
    Quote: Thrall
    Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin

    Pipes. The girl who asked Putin a question on Omsk roads worked on the railroad. And she was on sick leave. As they told me yesterday, it worked ... I didn’t see the order, but the people are already buzzing ... T fellow
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 21 2016 13: 55
    +4
    It’s better to go to Novosibirsk, as Shoigu suggested - it’s gigantic means are needed for this.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 14: 30
      +5
      Quote: Vadim237
      Better to Novosibirsk, as Shoigu suggested -

      Of all the cities of Siberia, only Novosib and Krasnoyarsk are somehow in good shape ... It is not for nothing that Novosib is now called the capital of Siberia
      1. Cu6up9k
        Cu6up9k April 21 2016 16: 46
        +4
        I don’t know in what tone Krasnoyarsk. Rather in the anus
        1. Reducer
          Reducer April 22 2016 04: 35
          0
          That's for sure! I support!
        2. yehat
          yehat April 22 2016 10: 38
          0
          It was under Khloponin that Krasnoyarsk became like that. Under Lebed, when the donation was not so large, Krasnoyarsk developed even faster than Moscow.
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      3. Reducer
        Reducer April 22 2016 04: 33
        0
        Do not exaggerate the tone of Krasnoyarsk !!!)))
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 April 21 2016 22: 26
      +4
      Quote: Vadim237
      the truth is it needs gigantic funds

      For what exactly? On communication? They are there. On guard defense? So not much worse than Moscow.
      But there are no such opportunities as in Moscow, with its Siti and other business centers, in Novosibirsk. And this, perhaps, is the main brake for the deputy corps - and for the senators: the closer to the "trough" (that is, the "bag of money", which has concentrated the lion's share of the country's financial resources), the more fun they are! And from Novosib and to the Crimea it is problematic to fly, and to travel to Europe .. and real estate there is so-so .. no, not an option! lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 22 2016 10: 27
        +1
        All transfers will be at the expense of the budget.
    3. yehat
      yehat April 22 2016 10: 36
      +1
      Carrying Moscow now is complete nonsense. With all the negativity that applies to her, the transfer NOW will be even worse.
      Later? Also a question. In my opinion, our country lacks more or less autonomous centers. Novosibirsk should become a center, maybe not like Moscow, but much more significant than now. This is a very important trade and logistics hub. In the Far East, there should also be a center. Somewhere Between Chita and the western border of the Krasnoyarsk Territory there should also be at least 1 center. Need a center in the Urals. A center with finances, partly with federal powers, so that the control lever is no more than 5-7 hours on a person’s path, otherwise the control system is too remote. The center should have financial opportunities for investments comparable with the construction of the Ring Road in Moscow, should have some ability to regulate the exploitation of resources, the distribution of land. Otherwise, it will remain so - in MSC the pensioner will receive 15-40 tr.,
      and beyond Moscow Ring Road 6-7 tr.
  • Corsair
    Corsair April 21 2016 15: 17
    +5
    Quote: Thrall
    Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin to move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.

    They asked many times in Omsk and Tyumen and Yekaterinburg - but there are many where you can, but why do they need it?
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  • lis-ik
    lis-ik April 21 2016 15: 34
    -1
    I join, let the capital be transferred to Omsk, only take Sobyanin back, too, and we will take a sigh of relief at the fact that we have ceased to be the capital and especially that Sobyanin was taken away! And those who think that here blessings are pouring from heaven, come and substitute handfuls!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 21 2016 15: 59
      +19
      and we will take a sigh of relief about the fact that we are no longer the capital


      Are you sure that after the capital moves, the head offices of Gazprom, Rosneft, Russian Railways, etc. will remain in Moscow. "locomotives" of the economy? They will stay together with their taxes, which are paid for the maintenance of this anthill. Imagine a Moscow budget that has lost at least two times. How long will such a huge and complex organism last with safety reserves and how quickly will it start to stupidly fall apart?
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      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 21 2016 17: 16
        +8
        I’m also sure that, for example, Washington is the political capital, New York financial, although in my opinion it would be better if Moscow had become such as under Peter, this kingdom of unjustified kitsch, not built by Muscovites, but by those who extol it, really got it. as a means of earning. Understand for me this is, first and foremost, the Motherland and I’m behind it, but I really want to see it precisely with historical reserves, and not as a constantly developing agglomerate absorbing everyone and everything. I’m tired of this smithy of visiting financial staff on occasion of the wishing city!
        1. Reducer
          Reducer April 22 2016 04: 38
          0
          Yes, just a city has ceased to be a city for people. Rather, these are now people for the city.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 21 2016 22: 19
        0
        By the way, the head office of Gazprom was going to move to St. Petersburg.
      4. alexej123
        alexej123 April 22 2016 09: 20
        0
        Why did everyone attack Moscow? I myself am from the Krasnodar Territory, I live in the village. I don't understand, is it Putin who organized everything in Moscow? Or has this situation been developing for centuries? Here one forum member expressed a clever idea about the law of conservation of energy. Everything is correct. But there is one more thing - a person is essentially a source of energy, different. In Moscow, in a relatively small area, there are millions of people, of course there are very large and lively cash flows. Is money the "blood" of the economy, or not? Naturally, such territories develop more intensively than others.
        1. yehat
          yehat April 22 2016 09: 45
          +2
          you reason superficially.
          Here are the figures: about 22 million people live in Moscow, which makes up 20% of the country's population
          and money in Moscow is about 94% of the country's total money supply.
          it’s clear that Moscow is also different, but even if we assume that there is communism,
          then 1/5 of the country controls virtually all the money of the other 4/5
          simple and clear
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 22 2016 10: 30
            +1
            And in Moscow, there are 90 billionaires and 700000 millionaires - so Moscow becomes a city for the wealthy.
      5. Corsair
        Corsair April 22 2016 09: 34
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        How long will such a huge and complex organism have enough safety margins and how quickly will it begin to fall apart stupidly?

        what Taking into account the production capacities - chemical plants, automobile plants and others - there will be enough reserves for a long time, only with social benefits and all sorts of "Muscovite card" you will have to sacrifice, plus the expenses on all sorts of celebrations will be significantly reduced.
        An office moved to us from Moscow just before the New Year and many "Muscovites / Vichi" spat for a long time - how poorly and in few places St. Petersburg is decorated, in contrast to Moscow (St. Petersburg was dressed mainly in the center of the city, a little further and almost no illumination)
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 21 2016 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: lis-ik
      I join, let the capital be transferred to Omsk, only take Sobyanin back, too, and we will take a sigh of relief at the fact that we have ceased to be the capital and especially that Sobyanin was taken away! And those who think that here blessings are pouring from heaven, come and substitute handfuls!

      The gaps are bigger. How do you lower the minimum to the level of the rest of Russia, and not 18 with something, coupled with pensions, then sing.
    3. alexej123
      alexej123 April 22 2016 09: 07
      -1
      I apologize, I wanted to put a plus - I was mistaken.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 April 21 2016 16: 26
    +11
    Quote: Thrall
    Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin to move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.

    There is no need to move the capital anywhere, let Moscow stand still for another 1000 years. The author is right, the company stands and operates in Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Khabarovsk, and is registered in Moscow and taxes are paid at the place of registration. A simple example of JSC Polyus-Gold was registered M Prokhorov in the village of Eruda, taxes were paid to the district budget, now Prokhorov has re-registered him at his place of residence and what is now in that Eruda? Take an interest. Our deputy general director for social affairs came from Moscow (the company is registered there), the aunt herself is by no means stupid, you talked and talked in the directorate, they looked with empty eyes and wondered why you need it? That's the whole alignment.
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    2. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera April 21 2016 18: 27
      0
      Quote: Captain45
      what now in that Erud? Take an interest.

      Yes, you say it correctly. The problem is that we have many subsidized regions. In mine, all significant incense is breathing. Well, we leave taxes on the ground and what happens? Kazan, for example, will be in chocolate, but will we eat bread without butter here? Who will date us? Omsk? Kazan? Or do you think that local delugans will rush to raise industry? Yes, they will leave on the first flight to the same Kazan. Closer to money. And the governor will cry to Putin that the polymers
      1. yehat
        yehat April 22 2016 10: 45
        0
        There should be no subsidized regions. shouldn't be at all. If this is, then something is already wrong! Even territories such as Alaska or the tundra territories of Siberia may well be profitable. If the region has no opportunities to live without subsidies, it is necessary to change conditions, change taxes, a management system, etc., in order to turn the economy on its head.
  • solovald
    solovald April 22 2016 05: 08
    +4
    No need to make jokes and bullshit. The author is not about the fact that Omsk is not the capital, but Muscovites - radishes, but about the fact that the territories beyond the "ring" should be developed, and not just get "various minerals".
    1. yehat
      yehat April 22 2016 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: solovald
      Muscovites - radishes

      in Moscow, not all radishes, not all rich, but a very large proportion of city dwellers - from graffiti, thieves and deceivers, operists, unprincipled careerists or simply selfish scumbags to the extreme. In general, those people who, for their own benefit, actively harm others.
      This creates a certain emotional climate, which changes people and gives a filthy little soul. And this is obviously caused by the unfair redistribution of resources to Moscow.
  • Angara
    Angara April 22 2016 06: 55
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    Putin's move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.

    But what about New Vasyuki ?? what In line Omsk, in line am
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL April 22 2016 06: 57
    0
    Quote: Thrall
    Uv. author, ask on the next "Direct Line" Putin to move the capital of Russia from Moscow to Omsk.

    C'mon, why trifle - right to Washington! ... or to Brussels - closer ...
  • yehat
    yehat April 22 2016 11: 49
    0
    what for? to hurt someone? belay
  • Felix-A
    Felix-A April 23 2016 06: 23
    0
    Yes, in general, to make a couple of three residences in large cities of Russia as if under kings, that would have lived with the retinue, and all sorts of optimal ministers would have traveled to the reports, the results would have immediately appeared
  • yurii p
    yurii p April 23 2016 09: 09
    0
    I'm afraid that bureaucrats and bohemians will not allow this to be done, it is difficult to imagine how much their mansions on Rublevka, and in Moscow itself, will be depreciated, and if the capital is justified in another region, the whole railway must be. the composition to use to "evacuate" officials and their hangers-on, Moscow will be empty like New Orleans or Detroit, and in our country the village of ghosts is not new.
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought April 21 2016 12: 10
    +94
    By the nature of his work, he traveled all over the country on shift and business trips and was always surprised at the current low salaries of Siberians and Far Easterners, despite the rather high prices in stores compared to the northern Caucasus, where I currently live. I myself come from the Far East, I worked there a lot of time, and the then Soviet salaries evoke only pleasant memories. I constantly communicate with relatives living in the Far East. The television picture on our central TV and the real life in Siberia and the Far East are two big differences.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 April 21 2016 22: 34
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      The television picture on our central TV and real life in Siberia and the Far East are two big differences.

      Do you want to offend people ?! From your words you might think that real life in other regions is very different from Siberian .. lol
  • Leviton
    Leviton April 21 2016 12: 24
    +45
    You can work everywhere if you have the initial capital and organized your own business, and you do not work for your uncle, as a rule, from Moscow or St. Petersburg. because they did not buy this candle factory in vain, but for that. to quickly return the money invested in the purchase (that is, the work of quick money, long-term investments in production are of no interest to anyone), plus a reduction in social services and salaries ... and now what is read between the lines of the author. 75-80% of the country's money is accumulated in Moscow, and therefore it is much easier for Muscovites to keep track of their mini-state (outlined by the territory of the Moscow region) and buy production, but everyone needs quick money, bought it, made a profit and without investments and risks. Indeed, these buyers treat the rest of Russia as their own backyard with household buildings from where you can get something and not take care of it. Now, regarding the fact that "there is a friend and not in Moscow who lives well", these are all the same - either with money (starting capital) or just seven inches in the forehead ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 21 2016 13: 58
      -14%
      Each city and village has its own millionaires and even billionaires.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 21 2016 15: 14
        +9
        Now, I want to ask you everything - where did you get the initial capital?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 21 2016 23: 10
          +1
          From the age of 14, he saved up because at that age he began to work part-time, at the age of 16 he mastered work on lathes and frasers - his grandfather had his own workshop, before the army he turned various parts to order with his grandfather and his friend, and at the same time they were engaged in repairing units for trucks and tractors, and after I returned from the army we created a production base joint with an existing repair shop, then we took a loan to buy equipment, namely CNC machining centers, and for a year of work all our investments paid off, we repaid the loan ahead of schedule and went to net profit, in 2010 my grandfather went in for agriculture and production remained completely on me, then I started looking for clients, I contacted various manufacturers, institutes, design bureaus, etc. - there were many orders and I had to buy equipment so my fleet of DMG CNC machines in my production it’s already 18 and everyone’s loaded - in 2012 in Moscow he opened two auto service centers, in 2014 another one with the auto parts store At present, I invest part of the profit in precious metals and shares of Russian companies - fill a financial airbag.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 22 2016 00: 05
            +4
            Clear. But you already had a base, albeit a grandfather one.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 22 2016 10: 35
              0
              He had a workshop with a large garage, and then we privatized a plot of land with an old warehouse in the city and there we have already set up production.
          2. yehat
            yehat April 22 2016 10: 59
            +3
            if you tried to do the same with us, all sorts of "brothers" would often come to you and together with the machines you would either have to buy a machine gun or share.
            Along the way, a lot of people would try to control your contracts and clients,
            so that you unfasten them, and utilities and city officials would remind about "responsibility", overhead costs would increase and you would retire on net profit. Examples abound. For example, a guy opened a dumpling production. Everything was fine until I started making more or less profit. After reporting to the tax office, half a year later I had to sell everything and leave.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 22 2016 18: 08
              0
              Where is it with us? There were a couple of cases when they wanted to intimidate and run over - all these "lads" have gone bummer now on bunks, and no one can control my contracts - except for me and the customer - signing agreements and contracts directly.
      2. Ros64
        Ros64 April 21 2016 18: 43
        +8
        Each city has its own thieves, thieves, and bandunks with initial capital!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 21 2016 23: 13
          0
          Well, if you have all the rich people associated with thieves, thieves and gangsters - then this is your problem.
  • Corsair
    Corsair April 21 2016 15: 15
    +19
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    It's time to leave tales about snickering Muscovites in the past. 50% of "Muscovites" are visitors. Those who spend more than 30 thousand rubles on housing rent. + a metro ticket costs 50 rubles one way.

    Quote: bulvas
    Ordinary people, work hard, live well, raise children, send to study in St. Petersburg and Moscow, travel a lot around the country

    so do not agree with the author

    The author writes about something else, in fact the message of the author is as follows:
    Money, at least in the form of taxes, should remain in the regions, then they can live much better. At present, Moscow and St. Petersburg are gathering large industrial facilities, assembly shops around themselves and inside, corporate headquarters are located in capitals and taxes go to the budgets of capitals naturally, the board of directors of many factories consists of representatives of various banks (bankrupt debtor and buying shares cheaply). While there will be no owners, and there will be temporary managers and effective managers - there is no point in talking about the prosperity and growth of production
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 21 2016 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: Corsair
      Money, at least in the form of taxes, should remain in the regions

      The way it is. Another thing is when palaces for local kings are built on these taxes.
    2. Constructor1
      Constructor1 April 21 2016 18: 43
      +6
      Quote: Corsair
      The author writes about something else, in fact the message of the author is as follows:
      Money, at least in the form of taxes, should remain in the regions, then they can live much better. Currently, Moscow and St. Petersburg are gathering large industrial enterprises around themselves and inside,

      Here they are .. And they do not spend money for the good of the people, but "LEAVE" - who knows what it is to DEAL with the money allocated from the budget ?? I have one association with this "to master-appropriate." That is how the budget sawers are tormented how to appropriate, to assimilate and so that they would have nothing for it)))
  • alicante11
    alicante11 April 21 2016 15: 32
    +10
    sent to study in St. Petersburg m Moscow,


    That's exactly what they send, and then these children stay there. Unless, of course, the parents have enough money to provide them with housing to start.

    so do not agree with the author


    And I completely agree. If all the taxes of Moscow offices are distributed to the regions in which these offices chop their cabbage, then Moscow will fall apart in a year. In this case, the situation is vice versa. Muscovites no longer know how to put our money on our paw. The last thing that exactly fills the local budgets is taxes and fees on the wage bill. So with their outsourcing, Muscovites are already buried in this little egg.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets April 23 2016 00: 39
      0
      Quote: alicante11
      I totally agree

      Did you sing something a week ago? When we Siberians and Far Easterners did the same thing, but expressed in other words. You and Pinky Floyd called us what you wanted. And now you agree with the author of the article, and that means with us. answer, when was the truth then or now?
  • gergi
    gergi April 21 2016 16: 40
    +27
    What material values ​​does Moscow produce? Factories destroyed, sold out, ruined. In their place, business centers have been set up. Managers of all stripes and other office plankton are swarming. Millions of parasites with a thoughtful look transfer pieces of paper from table to table. Shopping centers are everywhere. They do not trade in our goods. Do not live in poverty, then all this junk is bought up by these parasites that do not produce anything. Not sowing and not plowing in our capital are not poor. All the loot in Moscow, and all the plowing for the hundred and first kilometer. Only Moscow doesn’t get much. Colossal imbalance, injustice, lack of prestige to work with hands, prestige not to live in Moscow. The garbage is complete! You can not do it this way! This is our main misfortune.
  • Cu6up9k
    Cu6up9k April 21 2016 16: 40
    +24
    In Krasnoyarsk, everything was bought up by Moscow as well. Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station today pays taxes to the Cyprus offshore. Leading enterprises bought out of business and sold out. Do not tell me about Krasnoyarsk. I LIVE HERE AND WORK. And I also think Muscovites gobbled up.
  • Rusyn
    Rusyn April 21 2016 17: 22
    +11
    Himself from Krasnoyarsk. Yes Three factories work. In general, you can live. especially if according to statistics 35tr average salary. BUT it is really above 20 for a woman and 25 for a man is very difficult to find. main sales Jobs ... The city more or less lives as a regional center. And drive to the neighboring cities of Achinsk Kansk there the average sn 12-15 and then in the afternoon with fire ....
    1. Cu6up9k
      Cu6up9k April 21 2016 18: 53
      +3
      The average salary in the region is due to the north of the region and top managers of the regional center.
    2. sibiryouk
      sibiryouk April 21 2016 23: 23
      +3
      In Krasnoyarsk is still not bad, but in the villages of 5000-10000r - this is very good money, and prices are everywhere!
    3. Constructor1
      Constructor1 April 22 2016 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Rusin
      In general, you can live. especially if according to statistics 35tr average salary.

      Yes, even on average not enough ..
      For example, from Omsk to the sea to go with a family - plane tickets (there and back) "gobble up" on average 100 thousand + rent a room there + food - at least 40-50 thousand
      In general, a trip to the sea requires FIVE! monthly salaries !!! Who can afford so much?
  • demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig April 21 2016 18: 24
    +6
    Quote: bulvas
    Ordinary people, work hard, live well, raise children, send to study in St. Petersburg and Moscow, travel a lot around the country

    Come to us in Altai, all the plants are killed, literally everything! Someone who sells something, they live a little and then there are no such sales prices. All production workers survive. You can’t find above 15 thousand!
  • the most important
    the most important April 21 2016 18: 50
    +7
    Quote: bulvas
    so do not agree with the author

    Visit Omsk! And you will see that the author still softly told everything, in fact, everything is even worse ...
  • uwzek
    uwzek April 21 2016 18: 52
    +2
    Quote: bulvas
    I do not agree with the author

    I am also a simple person, while I do not live in poverty. But I completely agree with the author.
  • sibiryouk
    sibiryouk April 21 2016 23: 12
    +3
    I live in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, with the final part of the article I completely agree, the Center’s concern for us really is not very felt. Minerals and taxes - give! And here you will wait a bit back from the government. The attitude of the central government to many Siberian territories is a dog in the manger! I don’t eat it myself, and I won’t give it to anyone!
  • user
    user April 22 2016 11: 39
    +1
    My relatives and friends live and work in Krasnoyarsk


    It’s good that in Krasnoyarsk, and you will drive away at least 20 kilometers from it, well, at least to Yemelyanovo, you will pass it on the way to the airport. So what is written in the article there all at once and see.
  • Rico1977
    Rico1977 April 23 2016 02: 06
    -1
    I completely agree with you. The author ... how to put it mildly - a narrow-minded person. I travel to work across the country, mainly to new factories, gas pipelines, and so on. I am engaged in connection to communications at the local and federal level. I live in Moscow - how I live - I spend a third of the time there. I hardly see her. I don't go anywhere - I simply sleep off. The country is growing and building, traffic jams in all major cities. Plants grow like mushrooms. Yes, they shout that old factories are closing. They are closing, but mostly because it is easier to build a new factory in a new location than to rebuild old brick buildings. Near Kazan, with me, the workshops were built in 1 month from metal structures. A month - and the equipment was delivered, connected to communications, in parallel they built a small town for workers nearby. They installed gas, water, and sewerage - and in 3 months the plant was working, the city was living. We didn't even have time to agree on everything. Although an abandoned old Soviet monster, giant concrete buildings, stood nearby, it was not worth rebuilding both in time and cost. And so everywhere. If after 2008 there was a drawdown, there was less work, now there is more and more work at an accelerating pace. And all over the country. And in what kind of deaf people I have not been - yes, villages are dying out - but precisely because of alcoholism and that young people are leaving. There is no work. But where there are strong farms, everything is fine there. And they don't leave and there is work. Where they work, and do not yell and panic - everything is there. I suppose the author himself has not traveled around the country for a long time. What sometimes beautiful regional centers are ... So these panicky cries of the next "hack" have already been lifted.
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel April 23 2016 12: 02
    0
    Quote: bulvas
    Ordinary people, work hard, live normally

    The thing is that ... truly rich, the one who has enough money for his needs. He is Rich from God. And those who dream of getting more, whose business is shaking under their arms, most often go to Moscow, because on the periphery they have nowhere to turn around - nowhere to turn around! But if a person is not envious, then he does not need much. If there is a hobby, then many other things disappear. And such people do not aspire to Moscow. They do not like New York in the periphery in the same way, and they are even sincerely afraid to visit this "cesspool of crime."
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  • cniza
    cniza April 21 2016 11: 47
    +3
    The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.
    1. magadanets
      magadanets April 21 2016 11: 50
      +31
      come to us to earn money, and don’t refuse anything to yourself))
      http://www.shakhty.su/job/sha/
      1. cniza
        cniza April 21 2016 12: 02
        +3
        Quote: magadanets
        come to us to earn money, and don’t refuse anything to yourself))
        http://www.shakhty.su/job/sha/


        Excuse me, but where is this for you? to Magadan? Do you live there since birth?
        1. magadanets
          magadanets April 21 2016 12: 14
          +12
          the link is difficult to determine where I am from) judging by your logic, you need to look somewhere in the city of cniza)
          1. cniza
            cniza April 21 2016 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: magadanets
            the link is difficult to determine where I am from) judging by your logic, you need to look somewhere in the city of cniza)


            I offended you with something, you are from the Rostov region. I repeat, have you been living there since birth?
            1. magadanets
              magadanets April 21 2016 12: 32
              +35
              yes, from birth. I don’t see any connection my place of birth and salary. I don’t understand why the same work in our country can be paid for completely different. Muscovites do not have enough for a bus. That's damn awesome argument
              1. cniza
                cniza April 21 2016 12: 43
                +3
                Why are you so offended at me? Firstly, I was from the Krasnodar Territory and moved there in search of work and a better life, though it was a long time ago and if something didn’t suit me I would have left.
                1. magadanets
                  magadanets April 21 2016 12: 56
                  +16
                  where did you get the idea that I was offended by you?) my father from the Krasnodar Territory. the grandmother only recently died. Kuban, as it were, is also my homeland) so I’m almost fellow countrymen) I’m offended by the bourgeois and our rulers. we won’t take Moscow. why do we a drifter in a mine receives a salary of 7t rubles, and in Siberia a drifter gets, let’s say so much more? where is justice? how much did the bourgeois want, he paid so much
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        2. savage1976
          savage1976 April 21 2016 13: 55
          +45
          I am from Magadan, not from birth, since 6 years old. Come, work for 30k rubles at -50. Come in the summer to wash a little gold, when in nature waist-deep in water and dust from you mosquitoes, they will drink 100 ml of blood per day and promise a salary of 100k per month, and in the end you will get a plane ticket and a kick in the ass. Come to us in Magadan and feed your children with cucumbers fresh at 800 r per kilo, buy strawberries 600 p for 100 grams, for an employee salary of 40k rubles, and this is still a good salary in the city. And the region donated 2015 tons of gold to the state in 22, but taxes for that gold remained in Moscow, and in St. Petersburg, because Polymetal pays taxes there. Come and live.
    2. Vend
      Vend April 21 2016 11: 56
      -5
      Quote: cniza
      The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.

      Quote: bulvas
      Quote: c-Petrov
      I am sure that you have a neighbor in "Siberia" who has everything in life (he probably works a lot and takes risks) and who does not hate Muscovites - he just has no time.


      My relatives and friends live and work in Krasnoyarsk

      I go to them regularly

      Ordinary people, work hard, live well, raise children, send to study in St. Petersburg and Moscow, travel a lot around the country

      so do not agree with the author


      My parents and relatives live in Omsk. I had them last year. Yes, there are enough difficulties, but these are difficulties that arise due to local leadership. In Omsk, the metro has been built since the 80's, they still can’t stand it, then they will drown the drifter, then they start to beg for money.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 April 21 2016 16: 58
        +4
        My parents and relatives live in Omsk. I had them last year. Yes, there are enough difficulties, but these are difficulties that arise due to local leadership. In Omsk, the metro has been built since the 80's, they still can’t stand it, then they will drown the drifter, then they start to beg for money.

        That prichandals interfere between the legs and the biggest thing that interferes is the villas in kursaveli
      2. the most important
        the most important April 21 2016 19: 11
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        In Omsk, the metro has been built since the 80s, they still can’t stand it, then they will drown the sinker, then they start to beg for money.

        They built the metro for 30 years, and it turned out an underground passage of several billion bucks in value ...
      3. reservist
        reservist April 21 2016 19: 56
        -1
        Quote: Wend
        In Omsk, the metro has been built since the 80s, everyone still can’t stand it

        and in Mytishchi near Moscow the same story - well ...?
    3. KOH
      KOH April 21 2016 12: 01
      +75
      Yes, everything is correct, the author says, where are the largest construction projects? Moscow, Moscow Region, Tataria, Sochi, the Far East ... who has heard of any kind of construction of production in Siberia, Transbaikalia? ... It’s production, not shopping centers, which are soon Sales will begin to suit each other ... And professions, taxi drivers, sellers and hairdressers ... but people live ... and you will not suspect them of unpatriotism, but as they say for the State it’s insulting ..., that’s hooked aah ...
      1. DMoroz
        DMoroz April 21 2016 12: 08
        +23
        Is there life beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
        Is there no life beyond MKAD?
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        2. Tusv
          Tusv April 21 2016 13: 46
          0
          Quote: DMoroz
          Is there life beyond the Moscow Ring Road?

          The amazing thing. The highest average RFP in Russia, thousands of miles from the Moscow Ring Road, in Petropavlovsk in Kamchatka. Next are the closest zamkadysh - Odintsovo, Lyubertsy, Zheleznodorozhsk.
          My sister came from Krasnoyarsk last year. She said that it’s not a fig, you do not know how to live in your Moscow. What time! I believe her
          1. savage1976
            savage1976 April 21 2016 14: 04
            +16
            A price tag in the stores will be compared? Let's start with potatoes, 50 r per kilo in the Chinese season, 100 local, and in winter from 80 Chinese, then guess for yourself. And about raspberries at 10 r per gram to tell you? And about cherries at 4k per kilo. And believe me, traveling by bus, if cheaper, is not by much, only you have 3 km in Yamaska ​​and you can go for a little t-shirt, but at -50 you won’t get any treatment for frostbite, they will dig it out in the spring.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 21 2016 14: 31
              -4
              Quote: savage1976
              and here at -50 you won't get treatment for frostbite from the hospital, they will dig it out in the spring.

              January 1985, - 47, went to the training every day for 2 km in an autumn jacket, but was not cold in felt boots. But really gave oak at +5 in the Baltic
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              2. lis-ik
                lis-ik April 21 2016 15: 50
                +2
                There the climate is damp, when he served in Germany everyone was freezing and decaying from this West European winter. Better minus 20 and dry, although now in Moscow from the reagents and at minus 30 slush.
              3. gergi
                gergi April 21 2016 19: 14
                0
                Yeah, I’ve bitten the honey, and I'm not buzzing!
          2. anna_anna
            anna_anna April 21 2016 16: 46
            +7
            And to me (I am from Krasnoyarsk) once in Moscow they said "The smart ones remained only in Siberia" and here everything is around money ...
          3. sibiryouk
            sibiryouk April 21 2016 23: 31
            +1
            If you ride around Krasnoyarsk, you will see that there are a lot of people who know how to live, but not most. And dozens of large factories are closed!
      2. karakuin
        karakuin April 21 2016 13: 22
        +2
        And what is being built in the Primorsky Territory, yap?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 22 2016 15: 37
          0
          Are they building something in the Primorsky Territory? This is the number. OOO "TMK", which was building bridges in Vlada, is bankrupt, the director was arrested, a lot of money was stolen during the construction of the oceanarium, and they were not completed, two 5 * hotels will not be completed for the 6th year, roads after winter in pits 20-30 cm deep even on the federal the highway, but the governor flies over the city in a helicopter and carries champagne with him. Well, about the rest of Primorye outside Vladivostok, I generally keep quiet, there is no work, only trade in Japanese and Chinese goods somehow saves, in the north of the region it seems as if the 90s did not stop, devastation and rampant crime.
      3. karakuin
        karakuin April 21 2016 13: 22
        0
        And what is being built in the Primorsky Territory, yap?
      4. yawa63
        yawa63 April 21 2016 13: 25
        +10
        You just do not know - the Vankor field, Suzun, Tagul, - all this is in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, mln, there is a catastrophic lack of specialists (welders, builders of all stripes, assemblers, power engineers, drivers from a dump truck to a bulldozer), and you say - no work, to tell you honestly - people have no desire to change the comfortable conditions of their existence to Siberian ones, because they will have to experience some inconveniences in life and everyday life, which in general is compensated by a good salary. By the way, Vankorneft pays taxes on the "registration" item - Turukhansk of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 April 21 2016 16: 43
          +5
          Quote: yawa63
          You just don’t know - the Vankor deposit, Suzun, Tagul - this is all in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, mlyn, there are sorely lacking specialist people (welders, builders of all stripes, installers, electricians, power engineers, drivers from a dump truck to a bulldozer), and you say - there’s no work, I’ll tell you honestly - people don’t want to change the comfortable conditions of their existence to Siberian,

          Quite right, people are required. Only Vankor is not just the Krasnoyarsk Territory, it is the very north of the Territory, almost Taimyr, and you can get there only by helicopter from Igarka, yes to Igarka by plane, and shift for 30 days for 12 hours and although there are good salaries, Well, he’ll tear his ass off the couch. Well, if they brought him a Vankor salary on the couch, so as not to break away from the computer and the goodies or beer, it would be happy to have discussions on the Internet. And then 45 days polar night, winter 9 months -50, summer midge - mosquitoes eat and by 12 hours every day and you can’t get out of the fence.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 April 21 2016 22: 59
          +5
          Quote: yawa63
          but you say, there’s no work, I’ll tell you honestly - people don’t want to change the comfortable conditions of their existence to Siberian,

          Drag the family there too - in the same conditions? Children should learn by "rotational method", and can my wife find a job nearby? .. And if not - how long will you last, on watch - a year or two? What - mountains of gold and a comfortable old age are provided? And if it doesn't work out, and during this time the wife gets tired of waiting all the time, the parents (God forbid, of course!) Will get sick - which will you choose? And the people whom you so easily accuse of Leni - do you think they all have no reason NOT to rush to Vankor?
          And more: HOW MUCH
          Quote: yawa63
          specialists are sorely lacking
          ? one hundred? 100? 200? .. and is this ALL COUNTRY you offer? Himself not funny ?!
          In addition, SPECIALISTS DO NOT BE ENOUGH - which are increasingly lacking in other industries. And then the situation will not be better until now - specialists have nowhere to come from! There are not enough people who want to become such - that is, to study a working specialty. AND more and more are lacking those who are able to educate themselves in high-quality! The "old guard" is leaving, there is no new replenishment yet, and the "middle" has failed - "hello, 90s"!
          1. yawa63
            yawa63 April 22 2016 09: 00
            +3
            Avia 1991 writes:
            “Will you bring your family back to the same place - to the same conditions?” Should children study on a rotational basis, and find a job for my wife? .. And if not, how long will you last, on watch - a year or two? and a comfortable old age are provided? And if it does not burn out, and during this time the wife gets tired of waiting all the time, the parents (God forbid, of course!) will get sick - which will you choose? And the people whom you so easily accuse of being Lazy - you think they have does everyone have any reason NOT to rush to Vankor? "

            Yes, that's right, I came with my family, since the children are adults. I do not blame anyone - everyone has his own way.

            And he also writes: how many specialists are sorely lacking? one hundred? 100? 200? .. and is this ALL COUNTRY you offer? Himself not funny ?!

            Not funny. I do not propose to the whole country. If an individual wants, let him go. When I left for Siberia - all my friends turned my finger at the temple - where they say you went from South to North - they sit in the South, whining that there is not enough money. And I think so - instead of whining - you have to try to change your life yourself, whining is the easiest way. I have an old mother and a grandmother - and they stayed in the South - but they fully support me in my decision.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 April 24 2016 05: 41
              0
              Quote: yawa63
              I do not propose to the whole country. If an individual wants - let him go

              However, you write:
              Quote: yawa63
              and you say - no work, I’ll tell you honestly - people don’t want to change the comfortable conditions of their existence
              In Russia there are 40 million people of working age! And at the Vankor field, about 5000 are working. WHAT DO YOU ACCUSE THE REST OF? !! The fact that everyone did not rush to Siberia? With such statements you support those who advocate the preservation of Russia as a "raw material appendage" of the West: "Download, pump everything out of the bowels of the Motherland! And drive everyone to us!" .. And eat, excuse me, will you be strictly imported products? Dress in strictly imported clothes? And who will build a house for you when you want to return and live out your pension ?! Or will you stay right there - at the field?
              That's what I mean. Do not punch yourself in the chest, contemptuously declaring: "I am a fine fellow, and everyone else is lazy!" It is necessary that in a huge country EVERYONE could RECEIVE an adequate salary IN HIS PLACE! Wherever he is.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 21 2016 14: 04
        0
        They heard about the construction of large enterprises - in the Urals this year they will open the largest plant in Russia for the production of rubbers, plastics and polymeric materials with personnel of 3000 people.
        1. MrK
          MrK April 21 2016 20: 43
          +6
          Quote: Vadim237
          They heard about the construction of large enterprises - in the Urals this year they will open the largest plant in Russia for the production of rubbers, plastics and polymeric materials with personnel of 3000 people.

          And how many tens of thousands were fired before?
          They also built in Ugra. I'll tell you.
          There is a depressed town in Ugra, Nyagan (part of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug), and in this town there is a stone with a proud inscription in the spirit of "This is the place where the Polar Quartz plant will start working in 2005."
          There were solemn speeches, there were optimistic assurances of officials that the plant would give the Nyagans thousands of jobs and world-class salaries, that it would be the flagship of the new Russian industry and other blah blah blah.
          There was also funding. It seems to be 5,5 billion rubles.
          The fact is that money - bye bye, there is no factory, the director is arrested, there is a consequence, the new owner is racking his brains on how to pay him 1,5 of a billion debts (that is, who to borrow from to pay off his debts, most likely, again at the expense of the budget plugged a hole).
          Quartz mined at the Dodo deposit is sent for processing to the Kyshtym GOK, the equipment of which is sharpened for a different type of raw material.
          The same "Polar Quartz", if it is still launched in a few years and brought to its design capacity, about 95% of finished products, according to the current director, intends to export.
          It is even more likely (yes, almost a guarantee!) That the world monopoly, the American company Unimin, will simply not allow a newly-minted competitor to enter the market and pump up Polar Quartz, integrating it into its sales system as a Papuan farm laborer.
          By the way, a factory for the production of high-quality brick turned into a hypermarket in Nyagan, in the equipment of which the budget invested about 350 million rubles.
          About 1,5 billion rubles. budget poured into the construction of the Nyagan plant LVL-Ugra for the production of glued building timber (the only one in Russia). The company was launched in 2003, it never reached its design capacity, last year it finally went bankrupt. The reason is banal - the lack of demand in the Russian Federation for high-quality building material, demanded mainly in the production of industrial facilities.
          And here is a recent post. The Arbitration Court of the Novosibirsk Region began the bankruptcy of the Energy Solutions battery plant (formerly Liotech)owned by the state corporation Rusnano. The Liotech plant is the largest lithium-ion, state-of-the-art battery plant in Russia. It opened in December 2011 as a joint venture between Rusnano and the Chinese Thunder Sky Group. The volume of investments amounted to 14,8 billion rubles. The company never managed to reach its design capacity. In 2013, the Chinese partner fled. The total debt of the enterprise exceeds 1,498 billion rubles. There is no domestic demand. And who will let you into the foreign market. Everything has long been captured by the Chinese, Koreans, Germans, and now the Americans.
          There is no technological pyramid - there is no demand. If there is no demand, any investment in production - cut dough and a way to somehow occupy an unprofitable population.
          When the stream of dough for cutting dries up, the sawmill economy collapses, burying us - Russian "Papuans" under its rubble. They did not fit, b ..., into the market.
    4. Altona
      Altona April 21 2016 12: 03
      +83
      Quote: cniza
      The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.

      ---------------------
      The author tried to work. Have you ever tried to pay for a job? In our country, one and the same job can cost differently. As for Omsk, when the profits of Sibneft (now Gazprom Neft) accumulated in Omsk and taxes settled there, then Omsk lived. Now the money has gone to St. Petersburg, since the central office has been moved there. That's the whole simple "secret". That is, money from the regions, tax payments went to the capitals, and the author quite rightly writes about this. So everything has its own financial reason. And what about Siberia and the Far East is also quite fair, now the salary in China has become more Russian. Then the poor peasant does not care who is robbing him? "Patriotic" Moscow or "Communist" China? Therefore, "fanzism" will return in all forms, when our resources will be sold illegally by the people to China. Moscow isn’t just figs and isn’t going to pay. Whoever thinks that I’m unfounded, let him remember the Vostochny cosmodrome, the same Shikotan (the fishing fleet was probably bought by Muscovites). Just talk, let's go, let's go, we are an energy power, we have risen from our knees, we are bombing terrorists in Syria, we are increasing the export of grain and weapons. Where's the money, Zin? Salary for simple hard workers? Tighten your belts, workers. And Putin and Medvedev in April 2015 increase their salaries by 2,5 times, hence the increase in salaries for everyone along the chain, including the dirs of state corporations. This is for propaganda in January 2015, they threw off their salaries by 10%. This is how we live, all hurt yourself, we are looking for the bottom, now the strip is gray.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 21 2016 12: 13
        +3
        Have you ever tried to pay for work?


        I’m crying since the 91st year, and it’s not at all the Moscow region, but now I live in the Moscow region, I like nature, I don’t draw to Moscow.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 21 2016 12: 28
          +12
          Quote: cniza
          I’m crying since the 91st year, and it’s not at all the Moscow region, but now I live in the Moscow region, I like nature, I don’t draw to Moscow.

          --------------------
          Pay. Only with such a policy is Moscow impoverished. I've been chatting with a girl just now. She is young, she is 25 years old, worked in a fitness club. He writes to me at the WhatsApp literally the following that she’s tired of hunchbacking Moscow pennies for 10 hours a day. That she left for Chengdu, waving her boobs in a nightclub for much more money and she is not alone there, girls from Ukraine are doing the same thing and they all live together and there is enough for everyone. And you say. Found the navel of the Earth.
          1. cniza
            cniza April 21 2016 12: 36
            +3
            I do not work in Moscow (for more than 10 hours) and do not pay in Moscow, I live, recently, in the Moscow region and I am already far from 25 years old.
            1. Altona
              Altona April 21 2016 12: 40
              +6
              Quote: cniza
              I do not work in Moscow (for more than 10 hours) and do not pay in Moscow, I live, recently, in the Moscow region and I am already far from 25 years old.

              ------------------
              Well, I'm 47 years old, if that. I just communicate with people.
          2. 34 region
            34 region April 21 2016 14: 38
            +9
            Altona! 12.28. All! fool Now competitors will come to her and prices will fall! sad But seriously, the question arises. Why is this particular job highly paid? Why are paid well to strippers and prostitutes? It turns out that this work is the most important and valuable !? All other work is unimportant and not needed?
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 April 21 2016 16: 54
              +16
              Quote: Region 34
              Why is this particular job highly paid? Why are paid well to strippers and prostitutes? It turns out that this work is the most important and valuable !?

              I haven’t been to strip clubs, it’s never happened (in case of a girl, they’ll dance in a bathhouse on the table lol ), but for some reason I’m sure that among the visitors to such clubs there probably is not a locksmith from the factory, a plumber from the housing office, a long-distance carrier, and this same office plankton is sitting there staring at his boobs, that the salary accrues to himself from the labor money of those locksmiths -santekhnikov. And the locksmith doesn’t have enough salaries for striptease, and he’s not interested in clubs, especially if he’s a family man. Not because the locksmith is so moral, but because he needs to feed his family, not the slut from the club.
            2. Altona
              Altona April 21 2016 21: 54
              +2
              Quote: Region 34
              But seriously, the question arises. Why is this particular job highly paid? Why are paid well to strippers and prostitutes? It turns out that this work is the most important and valuable !? All other work is unimportant and not needed?

              ------------------------
              I have no idea, to be honest. It’s just that China is now a big market for all kinds of restaurant business. Karaoke, striptease, dance schools, consumation. Girls breed clientele for money, drink like horses with them. Then they drink emetic and laxative, alkozeltser. Muaythai sent me a present. Dear vodka, Ipona mother, more expensive than cognac. Well, I know many of the girls in Japan who worked, though older, 36 years old, they even kissed the crisis there too, they returned to Ha. request
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 April 21 2016 23: 06
                +3
                Quote: Altona
                I have no idea, to be honest.

                Everything is very simple. When the number of qualified locksmiths (turners, drivers ....) becomes as many as women, on whose boobs you can see for money, then they will receive a lot. It seems that this time will come soon. But managers, lawyers and bulgakters will soon begin to lose weight. smile
          3. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 21 2016 17: 19
            +3
            Mahaty Siski is a specific commercial niche, so to speak. And for this they pay really more than for fitness, what is in Moscow, what is in China. And these are not indicators of economics at all.
            she’s tired of pennies
      2. Tusv
        Tusv April 21 2016 13: 55
        -8
        Quote: Altona
        That is, money from the regions, tax deductions went to the capital, and the author quite rightly writes about this.

        Most of the tax deductions settle at the checkpoint, and not in the capitals, that is, in the local budget. We have such legislation
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 April 24 2016 05: 50
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          Most of the tax deductions settle at the checkpoint, and not in the capitals,

          It seems that you dealt with taxes at the level "But the grandmas say .."
          The number of taxes - and tried to calculate the amount of taxes? You can pay at least 100 taxes to the local budget - but in comparison with the federal one it will be 1 kopek against the ruble.
    5. Leviton
      Leviton April 21 2016 12: 26
      +12
      Quote: cniza
      The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.

      Have you read the article?
      1. cniza
        cniza April 21 2016 12: 29
        +3
        Very carefully.
        1. Leviton
          Leviton April 21 2016 12: 36
          +8
          Quote: cniza
          Very carefully.

          Just the beginning of the article, it was your words that the author used in a dispute with local "natives"
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    6. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 21 2016 13: 17
      +26
      Work shaft, salary - no. In the Krasnodar Territory, the fitter of the track, which plows the tracks like a terminator robot, receives 20 rubles, and this is the Russian Railways, and not some impoverished collective farm, in order to save money, they force people to go on vacation without maintenance, every month for several days .
    7. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg April 21 2016 13: 20
      +28
      Stick your nose out of a metropolis similar to snickering Moscow and see the difference between heaven and earth, between a bag of money (by the way from all over Russia) and an empty bag! Maybe you will understand the author. Although unlikely, for a well-fed hungry one does not understand!
    8. 34 region
      34 region April 21 2016 14: 22
      +22
      Shiz! 11.47. And why did you get that work is a synonym for prosperity? Slaves worked from morning to evening. And lived well and richly? Today, many workers do not have enough salaries for rent. Do not work there? Judging by the numerous slogans, the main thing is that there is work, the issue of paying Russians is not at all interesting. And how one can live on a salary does not bother anyone. Today, many work on a rotational basis. It's good? And how many hours a day should a person work? Four hours or twenty-five hours a day can provide a normal standard of living? What does a normal standard of living mean? Why are no one discussing these issues anywhere? Personally, what can you say about this?
    9. natakor1949
      natakor1949 April 21 2016 14: 28
      +1
      Strange, the second time I click on "+" in the end "-", today gentlemen, moderators, that the poles are confused?
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    11. ARES623
      ARES623 April 21 2016 15: 19
      +9
      Quote: cniza
      The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.

      Do you call work the surrender of inherited Moscow apartments?
    12. the most important
      the most important April 21 2016 19: 07
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      The author is offended by a person’s life; he didn’t try to work.

      You are our hard worker .... have you tried to think with your head?
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  • yehat
    yehat April 21 2016 11: 59
    +59
    Moscow is no longer the capital of Russia
    now she is the capital of the country's budget
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 April 23 2016 15: 12
      0
      New Jerusalem.
  • V.ic
    V.ic April 21 2016 12: 00
    +48
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    The author is enough of this envy

    Have you read the article? Or scanned diagonally to be the first to be noted in the comments? You missed the main thing in the article:
    all these combines, factories, institutes were bought out by someone and sometime. Belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid accordingly. Author Alexander Staver

    Here it is, the root of evil: "And taxes are paid, accordingly, to the same place." Everything! You don't have to discuss anything else! No "own" money for the region = put out the lights!
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov April 21 2016 12: 04
      -27%
      V.ic do you think this article is original? Or the original saying of the author

      all these combines, factories, institutes were bought out by someone and sometime. Belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid accordingly.


      Better tell me when it was different?

      And in general - by someone and once or by concerns therein - this is called a little pain. No specifics.

      Well, objectively, if - you have a business, it is successful. Where will your head office be? In the capital of the state or in Omsk?

      When a person opens his own business, he leaves his office in his city with a population of 10 people, thereby breaking the generally accepted practice - then this is an occasion for an article.

      1. Asklepium
        Asklepium April 21 2016 13: 05
        +30
        Need examples? You are welcome. Fluently, without proofs (if desired, it is easy to find in the internet). Oil refinery (located within the city) - after the re-subordination of Rosneft, it pays taxes in St. Petersburg. PO Polet (part of Khrunichev) - in Moscow. Omsk bacon - Moscow. The brewery (brands Sib Corona, Bagbir, etc.) - also Moscow (after the strange death of the owner), ATP "OSHA" - Moscow (also the owner unexpectedly drowned), a tank plant (part of UVZ) - Moscow. The list goes on. Those who wanted to stay in the city died unexpectedly, the rest were "bent" or simply "dumped" (the governor and his entourage for the opportunity to sit quietly in their places).
      2. 34 region
        34 region April 21 2016 14: 45
        +4
        St. Petroa! 12.04. It turns out the cost of rent, land (total) in the capital is the lowest? And in the village of 10 thousand inhabitants is the highest !?
      3. V.ic
        V.ic April 21 2016 18: 26
        +14
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        you have a business, it is successful. Where will your head office be? In the capital of the state or in Omsk?

        Well, as a rule, military pensioners do not have a successful business (and neither do I). But as a retired officer / in a little more than 2 weeks / I will express quite a sensible idea that the headquarters of a particular military unit should be located exactly in close proximity to it, and not on the Canary Islands (according to your version, "In the capital of the state"). To interact with the leading economic and financial structures, it is quite enough to have the so-called. "representation". If the "head office" (in your words!) / Or you can say the head office / is located in the capital, then this is already a transparent allusion to relations type METROPOLY / colony!
        1. the most important
          the most important April 21 2016 19: 20
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          the headquarters of a particular military unit should be located in close proximity to it, and not in the Canary Islands

          And there is no headquarters, there are bloodsuckers.
      4. yehat
        yehat April 22 2016 09: 30
        +3
        head office may be even in Cyprus
        The thing is different:
        1. unfair adm. the resource gave almost all the valuable production to the Moscow owners
        2. Taxes leave the region
        3. no social responsibility for those who own assets

        as a result, people see that their regions are being blatantly exploited without a chance to somehow improve local life and this creates hatred.
        An example about Krasnoyarsk: Khloponin, first in Norilsk Nickel, made a diversion of funds to "shareholders", then the governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory helped the region to almost double the return of revenues to the country's budget - to Moscow. As a result, the city, which was a record-breaking city in terms of development, immediately slipped to zero. This is a concrete example of the destructive policies of financial leeches.
    2. reservist
      reservist April 21 2016 12: 51
      -8
      Quote: V.ic
      "And taxes are paid, accordingly, there." All! You don't have to discuss anything else!

      +1
      and then a whole page was written and as a result the "arrows were translated" to "gentlemen of the Muscovites" ...

      I would like to wish the author to read his essay before the "gentlemen" somewhere in the Moscow metro ... he will learn a lot about himself ...
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 21 2016 18: 29
        +4
        Quote: reservist
        somewhere in the Moscow metro ... he learns a lot about himself ...

        You, by chance, well, by accident, weren't you in the Arbat-military district military service?
        1. reservist
          reservist April 21 2016 19: 40
          +1
          my whole service was in the last century - a "excursion" for a month to Tula-50 ...
          so not even a "jacket" ...

          what - do you have an offer to serve in the "Arbat military district"?
  • Kostyar
    Kostyar April 21 2016 12: 03
    +12
    Moscow is the capital of Russia. The author is enough of this envy

    Directly annoying. Let's sing a song about Mosk * lei.

    Take a ride in the village? Nothing that 90% of the village left for Moscow?

    It's time to leave tales about snickering Muscovites in the past. 50% of "Muscovites" are visitors. Those who spend more than 30 thousand rubles on housing rent. + a metro ticket costs 50 rubles one way.

    Tell me about the cost of a minibus in Volgograd or topic in Sevastopol.

    Whoever thinks that living in Moscow is sugar and easy - he simply never lived in Moscow.

    PS I’m not a Muscovite myself, but I’m wildly annoyed to become with such and similar headlines.

    I am sure that in Volgograd there are people who receive 100 for, the same people are in Vladimir and in Vladivostok. As with Moscow, there are people receiving 20k.

    So, gentlemen Rus-Muscovites? Do you need Siberia? Or to hell with us? Get out as you want? We get out. But for now, the hatred of Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to this. But time is ticking. And hate is growing.


    I am sure that you have a neighbor in "Siberia" who has everything in life (he probably works a lot and takes risks) and who does not hate Muscovites - he just has no time.


    But he doesn’t mean ordinary Muscovites, why are you rowing for yourself ...?!
    1. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 12: 13
      -25%
      Quote: Bone
      But for now, the hatred of the Siberians extends only to Moscow. Nothing, Muscovites are used to it. But time is running out. And hatred is growing.

      Is this your opinion or have most of the Siberians authorized you? Why to Moscow, and not to London or Washington? Can you tell me how, in the opinion of the hating Siberians, Kolka and Vanka, renting an apartment in Moscow for two can change the situation with your hatred?
      1. Achilles
        Achilles April 21 2016 13: 42
        +2
        Why to Moscow, and not to London or Washington?


        Because these are the capitals of other states, do not ask such stupid questions, you will seem smarter
      2. Aliv
        Aliv April 21 2016 17: 48
        +15
        Yes! I am also from Siberia. We have all the enterprises in Novokuznetsk Muscovites and St. Petersburg squeezed. And all successfully collapsed. Now they are closing mines and factories. They even wanted to squeeze the minibuses from St. Petersburg, but their drivers rebelled. So far managed to defend. The city five years ago was 600 thousand. Now 450. and decreases. Open your business. If you don’t burn it, and trample on your business, either local oligarchs or Muscovites will squeeze it out immediately.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager April 21 2016 12: 14
      -16%
      If not about simple ones, then to whom is the appeal and for what purpose? Most of them have no idea what it means to live in Moscow with all the crap that has accumulated over the past decades.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager April 21 2016 12: 42
        -2
        And the minus just probably those of whom I speak. “I haven’t seen, I don’t know, but I’m against it,” yeah.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 21 2016 15: 45
          +2
          Well, catch another minus from me. I saw and know how ordinary workers work in Moscow.
      2. Eragon
        Eragon April 21 2016 13: 13
        +18
        Quote: Voyager
        Most people have no idea what it means to live in Moscow with all its crap,

        So what's the problem if it's so bad in Moscow? Get out of the "filthy" capital in the Trans-Baikal villages, from 30-50 thousand rubles for 5 thousand and the prices are one and a half to two times higher and you will be happy.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager April 22 2016 11: 17
          +1
          Dear, you first ask yourself this question. I'm not chasing you like the author. I am a native Muscovite, and sorry, why the hell should I "expel myself" somewhere, and still endure "popular" hatred just because I was born here and have to endure a bunch of newcomers, and srach and other delights of the metropolis?
          Do not like the government and their methods of budget allocation - please rally. Ordinary people have something to do with?

          And about the prices 2-3 times to fill in is not necessary. Listen to you, it’s like they eat the land all over Russia and every six months they can afford a cucumber. But for some reason, it seems, there are enough such screamers on the Internet for some reason.

          I apologize if all this seems rude, but start to finally monitor yourself, and not to blame all the problems on the capital and especially Muscovites.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 April 24 2016 22: 03
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            I apologize if all this seems rude, but start to finally monitor yourself,

            For most people, the term "Muscovite" includes a person living in Moscow. Not satisfied with the attitude ?! Well: make all the newcomers wear on their backs the inscription: "Guest" - it will be clear on whom to pour out irritation! wassat You can not?!! belay Then be patient! For bestiality, rudeness and outright neglect of such "Maasskwiches" for "plebs because of the Moscow Ring Road" has already become a byword in Russia, and no one is obliged to deal with the division: "this is the root - and that is a newcomer", the image is formed on the basis of their own observations and communication, no one will show me the date of registration in Moscow laughing
            And by the way, about
            Quote: Voyager
            Ordinary people have something to do with?

            read the comments more attentively - you will understand then that here, oddly enough, they are trying to separate the guilty from the "normal"! Although it is VERY difficult. hi
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 5 May 2016 15: 54
              0
              Quote: avia1991

              Well: make all the newcomers wear an inscription on their backs: "Guest" - it will be clear on whom to pour out irritation! wassat You can not?!! belay Then be patient!

              Again, what prevents you from clinging, but just starting to take care of yourself and your language?) Is it difficult to analyze and separate? People don’t want to change?) Hmm, well, if no one will, it means nobody wants to. And if he doesn’t want, then a) you don’t really need changes. b) this escalation will continue. Thus, you will set up against yourself and contribute to the further construction of the fence. At the same time, as I said, taking care of yourself in the first place is not so difficult. And so it turns out that sooner or later caring people (and me, too) will be tired of apologizing for being a Muscovite and I just won't care about the others, as some already do, and this will be fair. And for any such attack, the direction will simply be issued by the forest hi
    3. Rivares
      Rivares April 22 2016 02: 14
      +1
      Quote: Bone
      But he doesn’t mean ordinary Muscovites, why are you rowing for yourself ...?!

      The article is written by Muscovites. It turns out that I had in mind one thing, wrote another, but generally thought about the third)))
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 April 21 2016 12: 03
    +39
    [quote = c-t Petrov] Moscow is the capital of Russia. [/ quote]
    And who argues that a colleague, and no one doubts it. [Quote = c-t Petrov] Take a ride to the village? Is it okay that 90% of the village left for Moscow? [/ Quote]
    But is this really good? And then we wonder why agriculture in Russia is in full out. []
    Why is there as many people living in "poor" Moscow as in Siberia and the Far East combined? [/ Quote]
    In our Yaroslavl region, there are fewer people than in Moscow. [Quote] But all these combines, factories, institutes were bought out by someone and sometime. Belong to Moscow, St. Petersburg or some other concerns. And taxes are paid, respectively, there too. [/ Quote]
    Here is the answer to why they live like this in real Russia. [Quote] You have no idea with what hatred the workers of these enterprises speak about nonresident "owners". These are the people who built these factories during the Soviet era. People who have become akin to these walls, machines, even trees on the territory. This is home. Exactly the same as an apartment or a city. And this house is being robbed today. They destroy everything and everyone, without investing anything new. What for? Temporary workers. [/ Quote]
    Absolutely, according to these temporary workers, whether it is Moscow, St. Petersburg or a foreign "owner", the loop has been crying for a long time. [Quote] So how, gentlemen Rusichi-Muscovites? Do you need Siberia? Or to hell with us? Get out as you want? We’ll get out. But so far the hatred of the Siberians is spreading only to Moscow. [/ quote]
    The question should be posed as follows: -So, gentlemen, Rusich-Muscovites? Do you need RUSSIA? Or the hell with it? Here is Russia and get out. And the article is correct, plus a huge one. It seems that Moscow is a separate state.
    1. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 12: 23
      -20%
      Quote: 79807420129
      The question should be posed as follows: -So, gentlemen, Rusich-Muscovites? Do you need RUSSIA? Or the hell with it? Here is Russia and get out. And the article is correct, plus a huge one. It seems that Moscow is a separate state.

      And the question continues with the Marxist theory that Muscovites-bourgeois bloodsuckers, they must be robbed and the loot shared and drunk! And then we find someone else to blame, everything is easier than working with brains and hands. Did not try to start with what is closer, with their elected officials? Or are there solid Muscovites who don’t let go and ate all the bacon?
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 April 21 2016 12: 57
        +20
        Quote: Rivares
        And the question continues with the Marxist theory that Muscovites-bourgeois bloodsuckers, they must be robbed and the loot shared and drunk!

        Evona, as a pioneer, was a member of the Komsomol and I do not regret it, I still keep my Komsomol ticket, but I have not been a member of the parties and I am not, excuse me, dear. Have you even read the article and my comments carefully? It is said about the "owners" and bureaucrats, and you rob the Muscovites yourself, share and drink, here I am not your assistant.
        Quote: Rivares
        And then we find someone else to blame, everything is easier than working with brains and hands

        Well, yes, yes, I just can't understand what I have been doing at NPO Saturn for 25 years? only the managing director, and the general in Moscow. request
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee April 21 2016 13: 52
          +12
          Moscow is the metropolis.
          Russia is a colony!
          1. Amurets
            Amurets April 21 2016 14: 29
            +4
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Russia is a colony!

            Siberia and the Far East will soon leave China. MinVostokrazvitie has signed an agreement of intent to transfer Chinese chemical plants, metallurgical plants, and construction industry enterprises to the territory of the Russian Federation.http: //www.ochevidets.ru/blog/25940/
            http://regions.ru/news/2577024/
            these are links, so that they do not think that this is trolling. By the way, the beginning has already been made. Until last year, our government resisted the construction of a bridge over the Amur River in the Blagoveshchensk area for 25 years. Last year it surrendered.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 April 24 2016 22: 12
        0
        Quote: Rivares
        Marxist theory that Muscovites-bourgeois bloodsuckers, they must be robbed and the loot shared and drink

        And you are so hated by the ideology of Marxism-Leninism that you are ready to attribute to it all the most negative features that you can think of! Forgetting that the representatives of your social Ideal (judging by the criticism of Marxism, are you an ardent capitalist?) - the British - drink much more Russians laughing
        As for "LOBBY" - you need to ask yourself: "Where did these" successful managers "get SUCH" honestly earned "money?" And it will immediately become clear that weaning, albeit forced, of these overworked means, will be only a restoration of social justice!
    2. V.ic
      V.ic April 21 2016 13: 45
      +9
      Quote: 79807420129
      One gets the impression that Moscow is a separate state.

      Essenno! Moscow even has its own Government! Notice - it’s not a city council that is nosy, but the GOVERNMENT!
      1. reservist
        reservist April 21 2016 14: 33
        +8
        Is it only in Moscow?
        1. V.ic
          V.ic April 21 2016 18: 38
          0
          Quote: reservist
          Is it only in Moscow?

          So, there is a government, a tax pocket too ... Question: when will its armed forces appear? Or m. "national guard" is that .... the most? Will you introduce the border service too? Something reminds me of the ever-memorable libel of Mr. Voinovich "Moscow 2045". "Whoever hands over a secondary product eats excellently" ...
          1. reservist
            reservist April 21 2016 19: 44
            +2
            the conversation was about the government of the regions of the Russian Federation
            What are the questions about the armed forces and border guards?
            1. V.ic
              V.ic April 21 2016 21: 02
              0
              Quote: reservist
              the conversation was about the government of the regions of the Russian Federation
              What are the questions about the armed forces and border guards?

              Thank you for attention! Here the enclave is just bastard in a row, and to Mr. Sobyanin, / as well as to the former mayor in a cap = according to his wife Narusev it’s like / it’s not appropriate to have your own government! However, until the date indicated by Mr. Voinovich, there are already 29 years left, only who will ride on a white horse? Mr. Solzhenitser died ... Only one person was found out of the entire official r.v.o.l.o.ch.i, who declared his refusal from the presidential title, and that Chechen (God bless him!).
              If you do not understand what a "vertical of power" is, then I will not "spread my thoughts along a tree" in front of you.
              1. reservist
                reservist April 22 2016 19: 05
                0
                and then what is the difference between Moscow and Sevastopol and St. Petersburg?
  • krops777
    krops777 April 21 2016 12: 22
    +18
    Whoever thinks that living in Moscow is sugar and easy - he simply never lived in Moscow.

    Well, just don’t need to talk about your sugar here, maybe it gets no easier, but it’s paid in a completely different way.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager April 22 2016 11: 22
      +1
      Yes. Lifetime due to hours of traffic jams and chronic diseases.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 21 2016 12: 25
    +16
    Did you understand what you wrote?
    It's time to leave tales about snickering Muscovites in the past. 50% of "Muscovites" are visitors. Those who spend more than 30 thousand rubles on housing rent. + a metro ticket costs 50 rubles one way.
    And with what kind of joy the people are hiding in Moscow, about 10% of Russia's population is there, and no one knows how many newcomers from them are. What did they forget in Moscow? But the fact is that there is almost all the money, at least the lion's share. So the people are traveling in the hope of a better life, since in most of the country there is no prospect, especially for the young. Soon everyone will scatter to major cities. Here we had an ordinary city, an industrial center, and overnight almost all the enterprises were simply ruined, people have nowhere to work and what do you command them to do?
    But also with the author of the article I do not quite agree:
    The mayors of our cities today are probably the most unhappy people. Torn everywhere, but no money.
    But what are these unfortunate people willing to cut each other's throats for the place of mayor or deputy of a local council or assembly? And the fact that almost all enterprises are in the hands of Muscovites is pointless to argue. And all our mayors, with the exception of one who, in Soviet times, was the chairman of the city executive committee, and until last year was mayor, safely drove off to the capital of our Motherland, and what salaries are interesting for?
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 21 2016 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      What did they forget in Moscow? But the fact is that there is almost all the money, at least the lion's share.

      Roizman recently wrote (April 13, 2016)
      Sverd.obl. collects 236 billion taxes. 179 of them are listed by Ekb. Out of 179, about 18 billion remain in Ekb and another 15 will come transfers. And that’s all.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw April 21 2016 12: 32
    +5
    PS I’m not a Muscovite myself, but articles with such and similar headings are wildly annoying me,
    who ? and do not tell tales of a bad life in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Arrivals in Moscow work in black jobs.
    I myself am from Russia (Nizhny Novgorod) and I know a little about life in Moscow. The author speaks, first of all, about snickering officials and about a multimillion-dollar heap of highly paid people in various institutions of the Far and Near "something". For example, today 21.04 at 2 kaNave, he told how well the resettlement of the dilapidated fund in Russia is going.
    And then they will teach that everything is necessary through the court. ? But the prosecutor's office and the TFR themselves do not want to investigate?
  • karakuin
    karakuin April 21 2016 12: 34
    -2
    hey, smart guy, about Vladivostok is not necessary. Have you been here? You are carting something without hitting a hangover. Or headache?
  • karakuin
    karakuin April 21 2016 12: 34
    0
    hey, smart guy, about Vladivostok is not necessary. Have you been here? You are carting something without hitting a hangover. Or headache?
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  • siberalt
    siberalt April 21 2016 12: 42
    +21
    When you see on TV how newcomers to work lick the streets of Moscow out of their window it is scary to look out.
    Oil, gas, precious metals, diamonds are all from Siberia, along with the railway. tariffs and sold for scrap industrial enterprises all to Moscow for distribution according to financial flows. And what remains of Siberia? The horde took tithes for protection, and here the tithe is left to live up to salary or pension. There is no money for road repairs, municipal factories for the elementary production of asphalt from sand and fuel oil for road repair in cities, on the recommendation "from above", were handed over to federal road builders (again to Moscow), but they only deal with federal highways. That's how we live. hi
  • STN
    STN April 21 2016 13: 04
    +26
    Enrages your statement. No one said that we envy Moscow (I am also from Omsk). The problem is not Muscovites, but unfairly distributed taxes. Almost all enterprises were crushed by Moscow (registered in Moscow or St. Petersburg, respectively, taxes there). And the people then live here, and work hard, as it should. For those 15000.
    As a result, people breathe poison from the Oil Refinery and other chemicals. enterprises, and it is impossible to get to them stupidly without boots. Rubber boots of all models are in fashion. Pedestrian paths have not been made since Soviet times. Here we have 300 years of the city this year. The money for the holiday has already been cut twice. The mayor threw a cry, "Come on, people, we'll throw ourselves off ..." From what such fucking salaries? I'm not talking about abandoned and decayed villages in the region. The feeling that everything is simply being done against the people on purpose in order to raise them to the Maidan.
  • STN
    STN April 21 2016 13: 04
    +3
    Enrages your statement. No one said that we envy Moscow (I am also from Omsk). The problem is not Muscovites, but unfairly distributed taxes. Almost all enterprises were crushed by Moscow (registered in Moscow or St. Petersburg, respectively, taxes there). And the people then live here, and work hard, as it should. For those 15000.
    As a result, people breathe poison from the Oil Refinery and other chemicals. enterprises, and it is impossible to get to them stupidly without boots. Rubber boots of all models are in fashion. Pedestrian paths have not been made since Soviet times. Here we have 300 years of the city this year. The money for the holiday has already been cut twice. The mayor threw a cry, "Come on, people, we'll throw ourselves off ..." From what such fucking salaries? I'm not talking about abandoned and decayed villages in the region. The feeling that everything is simply being done against the people on purpose in order to raise them to the Maidan.
  • kitamo
    kitamo April 21 2016 13: 15
    +2
    Why do talented young people (and we have no less talent than elsewhere, plus our "stubborn" character) run to Russia?


    as I understand it, the author of Siberia does not consider Russia? and then who is this author?
    By the way, I live in Kamchatka, and I think (unlike the author) that Kamchatka is also Russia ...
  • Nick
    Nick April 21 2016 13: 16
    +12
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    I am sure that in Volgograd there are people who receive 100 for, the same people are in Vladimir and in Vladivostok. As with Moscow, there are people receiving 20k.

    Quote: s-t Petrov
    I am sure that you have a neighbor in "Siberia" who has everything in life (he probably works a lot and takes risks) and who does not hate Muscovites - he just has no time.

    What is there to breed subjectivity. Millionaires not only live in Moscow, who would argue.
    But best of all, the statistics will tell us the salary level, and it says:
    The average salary in Moscow at the beginning of the 16 year is about 67 thousand rubles.
    The average salary in Omsk at the beginning of the 16 year of 25 thousand. rubles.
    And do not say that Muscovites work 2,5 times more. Yeah, so all 20 hours a day and plow without interruption, without straightening the back.
    The author is right, the differentiation of incomes in the capital region and in the province is too high.
    1. Gennady85
      Gennady85 April 21 2016 21: 01
      0
      67000 salary, that's just for renting housing gives 35000t.r.
      25000 zp in Omsk housing 10000r.
      My friend boasted that in Moscow he received For 60000 rubles, of which he gives 28000 rubles an apartment, a fare of 8000 rubles, and loans for 20000 tons. That's the whole truth about visiting Muscovites!
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 April 24 2016 22: 26
        0
        Quote: Gennady85
        that's just for renting housing gives 35000t.r.

        Do not hang noodles. Arriving hard workers rent such a three-four-person housing, and this is not burdensome. And those who remove the hut for 35 sput. - those not 67 per month earn wassat
        In general, listen more and more about who and lope: it’s not very customary to tell the truth about earnings, the people have been taught for 90 years.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman April 22 2016 02: 28
      +2
      Nick (2) RU Yesterday, 13:16 ↑
      The average salary in Moscow at the beginning of the 16 year is about 67 thousand rubles.
      The average salary in Omsk at the beginning of the 16 year of 25 thousand. rubles.

      As a Muscovite, I am not at all opposed to a hundred "tops" of at least Sberbank being sent to you in Omsk, at least for a month. And you will be very surprised how sharply the "average salary" in the city will increase. laughing
    3. aviator65
      aviator65 April 22 2016 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Nick
      The average salary in Moscow at the beginning of 16 years is about 67 thousand rubles

      Lope - lope ?! belay Dear, you must have been given "statistics" on the average salary at the head office of Gazprom or Rosneft, from a cleaning lady to a company president.
      For the sake of interest, poke around the sites with the proposed vacancies in Moscow and the region.
      1. yehat
        yehat April 22 2016 17: 10
        +2
        living example from Moscow. there is a simple guy. works as an auditor of construction - compares what is built with the plan and standards. The work, I would say, is an ordinary specialist.
        for 5 years I bought an apartment of 8.5 million.
        Another example is a guy in Krasnoyarsk who works in the same position.
        after 7 years of work - still in the hostel.
        still have questions ???
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 April 23 2016 16: 41
          0
          Quote: yehat
          living example from Moscow. there is a simple guy. works as an auditor of construction - compares what is built with the plan and standards. The work, I would say, is an ordinary specialist.
          for 5 years I bought an apartment of 8.5 million.

          good Your boyfriend either "settled down" very well, or is modestly silent on how many loans he got or how much he got into a mortgage. laughing Where he works? I want it too! winked
    4. Zuborez
      Zuborez April 22 2016 21: 15
      +1
      Quote: Nick
      The average salary in Moscow at the beginning of 16 years is about 67 thousand rubles

      Aphids, folded Chubais and my recent, divided into two laughing And zvizdets, mustache Muscovites-millionaires.
      And they come, come, "give me a million."
      Here people from Kemerovo, such as a machine operator, came in. And in the announcement, up to 130 tyr piece-rate. True, these 130 ty two people in the workshop receive (which they are silent about, not to answer them), the rest are somewhat less. And I, as a master -27 tyr with all the bonuses.
      So when I opened his eyes to the situation, this eccentric began to demand money from me for a ticket, "like they cheated."
      And about the sausage from service in the Red Army I hear that I ate everything. The most affected came from Gorky and Yaroslavl, Siberians and Urals did not know about this problem laughingfor some reason.
  • mr.fafes
    mr.fafes April 21 2016 13: 32
    +6
    It is time to transfer the capital to Siberia, these snickering faces have already gotten.
    Lord Muscovites you crown does not press ???
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 21 2016 13: 52
    +2
    In order to live normally in Moscow, you need to receive 60 - 80 thousand rubles a month.
    1. Nick
      Nick April 21 2016 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: Vadim237
      In order to live normally in Moscow, you need to receive 60 - 80 thousand rubles a month.

      Yes, in Vladimir, in order to live a normal life, you also have to earn seventy thousand a month.
    2. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 20: 33
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      In order to live normally in Moscow, you need to receive 60 - 80 thousand rubles a month.

      30 was enough for me easily, though I traveled from the Moscow region there my own housing. Now the apartment is room 15-20. Everyone has their own requests for normal)
  • forester
    forester April 21 2016 15: 09
    +20
    The author is right - reinforced concrete is right We have in Bratsk the two largest European plants BLPK (office in St. Petersburg) and BrAZ (Rusal office in Moscow) plus the famous hydroelectric station, so even environmental payments go to the capital taxes there, although the city is considered due to these plants one of the most environmentally disadvantaged - there is nothing to breathe mortality from cancer in the 1st place; the average salary is 20-30 (communal apartment 10-15 eats) thousand besides these three enterprises everywhere are black or striped salaries and the prices are like in Moscow. Young people bring me down from the city of I I make a good sin of complaining (my timber truck), but after all these innovations (tachograph Plato scales, etc.) and solar prices (39 rubles) I was forced to abandon my partner. In general, the Irkutsk region is one of the poorest despite being rich in all strategic resources - oil gas (VChN) gold (Bodaybo) wood (all regional) aluminum (Braz Irkaz) energy (Irkutsk Bratsk Ust-Ilim Hydroelectric Power Station) Sayanskkhimprom and people are killing from penny to penny because all the money goes to Moscow So the author is right ginger is simply robbed
  • ava09
    ava09 April 21 2016 15: 22
    +3
    Only a degrading villain may not understand the difference between Russia and Moscow.
  • Anatoly B
    Anatoly B April 21 2016 15: 41
    +3
    But time is running out. And hatred is growing.
    And this is true, not from envy, of course, but! Russia does not like "Muscovites".!
  • Anatoly B
    Anatoly B April 21 2016 15: 41
    +1
    But time is running out. And hatred is growing.
    And this is true, not from envy, of course, but! Russia does not like "Muscovites".!
  • Rusyn
    Rusyn April 21 2016 17: 18
    +1
    that is, who in any city earns a lot, only this is a very narrow layer of the population. And the author writes about the general trend.
  • Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf April 21 2016 18: 41
    +2
    In Moscow it’s easier to live than in Russia. The prices in supermarkets for food are cheaper than in the country. Of course, I mean what ordinary people eat. Meat, sausage, cheese and others are certainly more expensive. But in Russia it is not eaten every day or with but groats and vegetables are cheaper or may be more expensive, but the salary is several times higher. And while working on 3 jobs, earning 30-35 thousand a month. Paying a loan and utilities, feed for the household, school supplies for children and not to one, and there are also various unforeseen expenses, ruining one’s health, seeing a family only a few hours a day. No one has seen a salary of 100 in our region, so we may receive an official or an oil director. But again, to work for an official you don’t get a job because he has his relatives, and the oilman has his people from another region. Since he is the owner in Moscow, he orders not to hire people from the place. Paying to local officials, and they, in turn, covering them in the flesh before the protection by the police.
  • UREC
    UREC April 21 2016 18: 58
    +2
    I have relatives of my wife in Moscow. My aunts and uncle are relatives. They still remember their roots (they are 60 years old), but their children - Muscovites ask a question - why do you need a big salary? Everything grows in your garden! (Yeah, tomatoes, vegetables, clothes and household appliances, etc.) that in a small town of enterprises on the fingers count and salary up to 15t.r. at least work hard at least take chances. (and why more, people have nowhere to go) 90% are on loans. Trade unions do not work - there is no one to complain about the employer. Not satisfied with the salary - goodbye.
  • hartlend
    hartlend April 21 2016 20: 18
    +2
    The article is not about hatred of Muscovites, but about the system of government. The author showed the problem, but did not write the conclusions, so as not to attract on any article. Officials live in Moscow and there is substantially more money there. And not because Moscow has the best workers, but because it is so laid down in the principles of management. Why do migrant workers go to Moscow and the region, and not to raise the village in the Volga region? I don’t put a minus.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman April 22 2016 02: 36
      +4
      hartlend SU Yesterday, 20:18 ↑
      The article is not about hatred of Muscovites, but about the system of government.

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that he wanted about the system, but he beat all Muscovites indiscriminately.
      I wanted the best, but it turned out as always request
  • Gennady85
    Gennady85 April 21 2016 20: 41
    +1
    Why so many minuses !!!! People are the same everywhere, the rhythm of life is different !!! He lived and was born in Murmansk, moved to St. Petersburg 7 years ago, I work and work part time, all in motion !! And he moved because I like this city !!!
    Petrov, I agree with you !!! drinks
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 22 2016 16: 12
      0
      You offer all the inhabitants of Russia to pack up and move to Moscow and St. Petersburg ?! And apparently let migrants from the Caucasus, Central Asia and China populate the rest of the territory, right ?!
      1. yehat
        yehat April 22 2016 17: 24
        0
        and what remains? I got sick of living on TR 10 and went to St. Petersburg.
        Now, ZP, let's say, from 70.
  • Severok
    Severok April 21 2016 22: 19
    +2
    You would take off your glasses. That pink, and even better, would have taken a bag with things, but drove along our boundless, just to see how people survive. People are not without hands, not without a head, simply not needed by Moscow and Moscow as people. In general, Moscow needs only their show-offs and loot, but they put it on others.
  • Sartorius
    Sartorius April 22 2016 04: 09
    +2
    1) In Moscow it is difficult to live indisputably, but try in the village, there the sofa strategist will die out at a time, you need to work with pens. I moved from town to village and do not regret it, although I have to work hard for a decent standard of living no less than in the city.
    2) Injustice is not in who, where and how much earns, but in the distribution of tax flows. Did not try to compare how much money is spent on maintaining the same roads in Moscow, for example, and somewhere in Khabarovsk? Are cars worse or people live there? And why? The tax base is not comparable!
    3) At the time of privatization and in subsequent years, finances accumulated mainly in the center, which led to the fact that in fact a couple of regions (represented by those close to the authorities) bought up the industry of the whole country in the absence of any competition. Talk about equal rights in privatization it’s the same as forcing a student to play cards with a seasoned cheater. And tax money flows to the center, crumbs remain in the regions, respectively. And then suddenly there’s a negative article about Moscow why it suddenly wink
    1. yehat
      yehat April 22 2016 17: 23
      0
      You forgot one detail - Moscow, as the capital, receives huge subsidies from the budget.
      as for privatization, it is not a matter of finance, but rather of the adm. resource.
      people did not understand at all what and how during perestroika, but managers and trade workers dispersed in full. For example, after the restructuring, the director of a grocery store unexpectedly became the owner of a vegetable warehouse with all the infrastructure, 11 stores, 2 bakeries, etc. on the little things. At the beginning of perestroika, he had no money, but he had the notorious "resource".
      enterprise directors acted even easier - at the expense of the organization they bought the company's shares for themselves, and then formally returned the assets on dividends from them, so that later they could receive them again through dividends. Again, no money of my own.
      And Moscow did this to enterprises of federal subordination through collateral schemes,
      buying up enterprises with billions of dollars for thousands of dollars.
  • jPilot
    jPilot April 22 2016 04: 32
    0
    And the minuses, as I understand it, were exactly those people who, as the author writes, hate Muscovites. Only now I did not understand, judging by his story, he left Moscow and now quietly hates Muscovites, excuse me, but somehow it does not fit. But the fact that this scribbler LIBERAST is trying to shake the already tense situation even more, with his article is a FACT. And I think it is necessary to calculate and isolate such.
    Now about Moscow. As a preface. He served in the Moscow region for 17 years, after his dismissal he left for his homeland in the Urals. I got an apartment in Balashikha. The wife initially plaintively offered to return (BUT! She is my real wife of an officer), and then we went to register, for a better impression, by car. Traveled around Moscow and walk, and on business and shopping. Naturally by PUBLIC transport, we did not even try to use a car, it was an experience. After that, the beloved herself issued the verdict "you can't do it here."
    And many wildly roll out their eyes when they find out that we have an apartment in Moscow. So this is what I mean, those who envy and hate do not even imagine what Moscow is and how it lives. And another highlight in this pie, the apartment naturally can’t stand empty and an extra penny will not hurt, I started to take it. From time to time I stopped by, talked with tenants (we came to earn money) and work for 20 tr. there is, but if you want more then you need to spin and spin. So those who believe that money is practically lying on the roads in Moscow are deeply mistaken.
    Now about the people of "eastern appearance", I can tell you a secret, but they are also not fools, and first of all they went to Moscow and there are many times more of them than in the regions.
    Regarding the garden city of Omsk, which turned into an unclean village, it is the residents themselves who are to blame and this is a fact. The road! yes officials. What about yards and front gardens? Also, officials throw garbage and shit yourself under their feet!?!?
    And what the author does not write is that large cities and not really, are growing and are growing well. Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk, Ufa and many others.
    Yes, there is a lot more that can be opposed to the "author"
    My minus and the LIBERAST verdict is precisely due to SUCH and the collapse of the USSR was initiated. It was such as the worms that carried the discontent and the infection rotted throughout the country, infecting and inciting discontent.
  • solovald
    solovald April 22 2016 05: 02
    +3
    The problem of Siberia and the Far East for those in power is not a problem at all, but, on the contrary, is a successful commercial project: cheap labor and free raw materials, i.e. Siberia and the Far East are actually a colony. I remember that Kudrin once seriously proposed to transfer all production in the territory beyond the Urals to the rotational method - "cheap and cheerful", there is no need to spend money on infrastructure, social services, etc. "load".
  • Alex250834
    Alex250834 April 22 2016 07: 24
    +2
    Sorry, but those who rent apartments for 30t.r probably get it accordingly, since they can afford it.
    Yes, the fare is expensive. However, Moscow prices for food and clothing - more than cover all the costs of travel.
    drive 200km beyond the MKAD - and PPC prices - they are growing before our eyes. or do you want to say that a loaf of bread in Siberia is cheaper than in Moscow?
    in 2010, I left Moscow for Belgorod region - oh, the comparison is not in favor of the region - literally everything is 20-30% more expensive. with a salary of almost 2 times less ...
    something like that....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 22 2016 18: 11
      +1
      It’s still looking at what kind of loaf of bread - in Moscow, bread can cost you 500 rubles.
  • yehat
    yehat April 22 2016 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: c-Petrov

    It's time to leave tales about snickering Muscovites in the past. 50% of "Muscovites" are visitors. Those who spend more than 30 thousand rubles on housing rent. + a metro ticket costs 50 rubles one way.

    who is jealous? Yes, only rejoice if you earn millions. the question is something else.
    Firstly, very different wages. a contractor without work experience and skills in Moscow may well find a salary of 40 and 80 tr In St. Petersburg, already above 25-30 hardly. And beyond the Urals, even work may not be found, and the RFP - 10-15 tr. It's about that.
    Secondly, pensioners and other subsidized. look at the difference in pensions and social. providing. Why is an old woman better in Moscow than in Chita?
  • 70BSN
    70BSN April 22 2016 14: 53
    0
    Yes, dear, it’s not that someone specifically ok or not ok !!! The fact is that not only Siberia but also in the Urals is the same problem ..... Moscow itself is being developed to its full potential, and the rest of the country is simply dying from theft and poigism. I’ve traveled to mining enterprises for a couple of years from the majority of Russia, I’ve been in factories of different kinds, so everywhere everything looks SADY !!!! But we help everyone, top managers get millions a month ...
  • runk42
    runk42 April 22 2016 15: 21
    -1
    We don’t need to tell here how my $ kalam lives badly! Something doesn’t run out of it, to where the trolleybus fare is cheap. From that it costs 50 rubles, which in Moscow is not money.
    1. yehat
      yehat April 22 2016 17: 25
      0
      No, it’s just that the metro in Moscow is very tough, that's why the prices are so.
  • Oblomov
    Oblomov April 22 2016 20: 28
    0
    Yes, the conversation is not that Muscovites are such and such, but that people are leaving Siberia and the Far East ... There is no prospect ...
  • maai
    maai April 23 2016 00: 11
    +1
    Support!
    Ordinary people everywhere live the same in Moscow and Ulan-Ude.
    And for those who indiscriminately call all the hated "Muscovites", mixing all kinds of "nouveau riche" with the Muscovites and bombing ("Where I was born - it did not fit there") I can only advise you to recall all the governors of Khoroshavin on Sakhalin and all directors on Shikotan, etc. ... etc. ... then hello to "Leningrad" (... St. Petersburg).
    So there is nothing!
    Reptiles and thieves should be called by their own names, and not confused with ordinary people in one of the cities of Russia, even in the capital.
    Shit is everywhere up to the roof and there is nothing to blame it on one head - Mr. short-sighted author, or maybe just a provocateur.
  • sambia
    sambia April 23 2016 13: 24
    0
    Moscow is the capital of Russia. The author is enough of this envy

    Directly annoying. Let's sing a song about Mosk * lei.

    Envy is an excellent argument, in the absence of arguments in fact.
    The author does not say that Muscovites are to blame, the author says that the system is to blame. The embezzlement at all levels begins from Moscow (not from Muscovites, but from the bureaucratic apparatus), on any money (budget, program, subsidies, etc.) that are just going to "go" to the province, there are already bloodsuckers from the apparatus, so that upon arrival to the destination, remove the margin. And try to throw off these bloodsuckers - they will immediately remind you of who you are and to whom you owe your position, "the right to work, freedom and life."
    The author, as I see it, turns to the capital with a request to think about what will happen if ...
    So that, given the capabilities of the media, which are all concentrated in Moscow, Muscovites participating in programs on TV demanded that the leading controversy be devoted to topics about the PRESENT.
    Otherwise, the "poor, lazy and envious province" is so "envious" of the capital that it will take it and one day come to the capital itself, so to speak, to get rid of the inferiority complex once and for all.
    And who needs this? Given that in 1917 we already went through this))
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 23 2016 14: 46
    0
    It's not about the "snickering" Muscovites. Moscow is a multi-layered pie, whatever you cost, you’ll stand there. It's about the top half of this mega-cake. And the article is absolutely correct, albeit somewhat one-sided. When there was a Soviet command-administrative system in the country, no one was against the fact that finances were all accumulated in the Moscow central administrations - they generously (even too generously) rushed to the regions, even the most remote ones. With the accession of the Yeltsinoids in Moscow, a continuous "feast in the time of the plague" began, and Moscow FMNANCIAL (!) Structures are still buying up all the slightest living production assets in all corners of Russia. At the same time, the attitude towards the locals, like the Chinese worker of the 1960 model - in the development of the territories, these gentlemen, who made the money on vodka, cigarettes and privatization - they are not interested in this one iota. The founders feed the Moscow "secular lionesses" and pour into the TV advertising of "beautiful life", the problems of the "Indians" of these "sheriffs" are not eb .. (well, you get the idea).
    All this has long been colorfully described by Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin:
    It’s necessary to remove the army from the border,
    Yes, put around the capital.
    We are in the capital city
    We’ll stock up food and drink.
    The enemy will see that the capital
    Eats and drinks and has fun!
    He, from fear, will tremble!
    Run without a look!
    Only now, even King Dodon doubted the state’s method. construction.
    And our figures still like this method.
  • Sailor
    Sailor April 23 2016 16: 53
    +1
    I live in Volgograd, and I assure you that there really is a salary of 100k, but people who are "owners" of enterprises, as well as 15-25, in the village 8-15, and Muscovites are really hated here and every year more and more, and one of the reasons for the snobbery of the residents of the capital is that they consider themselves to be the elite, and the rest g ... o, in fact, on 1/8 of the land there are 2 states Moscow and Russia, and one milks the second.
  • larand
    larand April 24 2016 17: 22
    -1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    Moscow is the capital of Russia. The author is enough of this envy
    Directly annoying.

    The author is not talking about envy. The author says that the Russian authorities can not do anything sensible for the development of their country. Well, Crimea, well, Syria, and what is happening in the country, where are we going? The government is a complete impotent, oriented to the west, the Duma is a collective talker with zero efficiency. On the ground, complete lack of control and a mess. Governors and mayors brought the remnants of the Soviet legacy to utter ruin. The bureaucracy is like a black box, what they themselves do not understand. That's why the author also screams, and you are jealousy.
  • dogens
    dogens April 26 2016 13: 11
    0
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    Take a ride in the village? Nothing that 90% of the village left for Moscow?


    It would be all good would be salaries, would live at home, there was no need to go to Moscow.
    at the same time I’m talking not only about remote regions. Even the Moscow region must be raised. Even the contacting areas with Moscow.
    People go to Moscow from Ryazan and Kolomna. Every day to work. I know these. They work for us. Itself for the first time 2 years ago I found a place of work where I, at the time before work, 1 hour 20 minutes (well, this is taking into account the walking distance). And I think this is one of the best results, the closest to home. And this is not for Gazprom or bureaucratic work. And taking into account that I traveled to the regions a lot before, I confirm the words of the Author by at least 80%. The people are real, the farther from Moscow the more forgotten their state is (let no one take offense at me, but I would single out Tyumen. There is its own Moscow, as it seemed to me). The farther from Moscow the more arbitrariness.
    Moreover, by the way, every May holidays we practice a trip to Mstu as a friendly company. So if you drive a car between MSC and St. Petersburg (and you can see it on the train window) you will see what kind of devastation even prevails along a busy highway. The houses are slanted, abandoned.
    The author correctly says that at least his main message is correct. Russia is not only Moscow and St. Petersburg, and if you do not show your interest in remote regions now, after a while the regions will show disinterest in Moscow.
    And your statement now resembles that of an assimilated Moskvich. It is assimilated, and proud of that. Excuse me
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert April 21 2016 11: 38
    -62%
    question: why are you, the author, personally not standing on the street with a poster "Putin is a dictator!"
    Why?
    1. Viktor_24reg
      Viktor_24reg April 21 2016 12: 17
      +17
      I understood what I wrote myself ?!
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 21 2016 13: 26
        -10%
        What is not clear here?
        Moc .... yak on gilyaka, who doesn’t skip that moc .... eh, give the revolution of hydrology in Siberia - that is what the author wants.
        Do you seriously think that if Siberia separates from Moscow, will it heal? Will become the second Norway (Ukraine became the second France laughing ) If the example of Ukraine does not convince you, then the doctors will not help you.
    2. Nick
      Nick April 21 2016 14: 15
      -3
      Quote: antiexpert
      question: why are you, the author, personally not standing on the street with a poster "Putin is a dictator!"
      Why?

      And it would be nice to appoint him a popularly elected dictator for life. winked good Yes, only Putin, in my opinion, is redundant, observes the Constitution, which the Americans created for Boris. It would not be out of place to fix something here, in places ...
      1. dengy12
        dengy12 April 21 2016 15: 53
        +6
        Quote: Nick
        And it would be nice to appoint him a popularly elected dictator for life. winked good Yes, only Putin, in my opinion, is redundant, observes the Constitution, which the Americans wrote for Boris. It would not be out of place to fix something in some places ...

        support the gcd
        collection of signatures for referendum http://refnod.ru/
        We propose the following amendments to the Constitution through the All-Russian Referendum:

        2 required articles:

        - Cancellation of Art. 15 part 4 on the priority of generally recognized principles and norms of international law over Russian laws:
        "4. The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty are applied."
        (ban on the external management of Russia).

        - Cancellation of article 13, part 2, prohibition of ideology:
        "2. No ideology can be established as state or obligatory." (Without ideology, a country has no goal, no national idea).

        2 articles that also need to be changed, but possibly without a referendum (if we do not correct it before the referendum, then we will submit it to the referendum):

        - Amend Article 9, Part 2, on natural resources:
        "2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership."
        By "other forms of ownership" we also mean foreign owners. And nowhere in the constitution is there a mention or a hint that land and natural resources are "the people's property of the citizens of Russia."
        (withdraw the right to private property, nationalize natural resources).

        - Cancellation of Art. 75 part 2 on the independence of the Central Bank:
        "2. Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it performs independently of other government bodies."

        (nationalization of the Central Bank, lower rates, the ability to print your own ruble).
      2. hartlend
        hartlend April 21 2016 20: 43
        0
        Sergey Danilov speaks well for whom constitutions are written and why there is no constitution in Britain and Israel.
  • Disorder
    Disorder April 21 2016 11: 41
    -41%
    Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs April 21 2016 11: 48
      +54
      I never wanted to. I don’t even want to go, although a lot of my friends live there. If it happens to be there, then only by travel (if there is no other route). I try to leave that day. This is not a city, this is a transit point.
      1. UralMan
        UralMan April 21 2016 16: 21
        +3
        Quote: sir_obs
        This is not a city, this is a transit point.

        ----------
        large "warehouse" ... without goods-BUT with commodity experts
      2. UralMan
        UralMan April 21 2016 16: 23
        0
        Quote: sir_obs
        I try to leave that day

        -------------
        and I fly by, casting a glance from the window ... Chao Moscau hi
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 April 21 2016 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: sir_obs
        I never wanted to. I don’t even want to go, although a lot of my friends live there. If it happens to be there, then only by travel (if there is no other route). I try to leave that day. This is not a city, this is a transit point.

        A similar opinion and situation, only passing through.
    2. Vik66
      Vik66 April 21 2016 11: 49
      +37
      But about all - do not!
      NEVER wanted to live in this anthill!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets April 21 2016 14: 40
        +5
        Quote: Vik66
        But about all - do not!
        NEVER wanted to live in this anthill!

        If this is a vote? I fully support it! I was not going to and I am not going to Moscow.
        True, I’m already 65, but even when I was offered work there 30 years ago, I refused and do not regret. The Far East is my Little Homeland, I live here and love her.
    3. pv1005
      pv1005 April 21 2016 11: 54
      +34
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      No need to speak for everyone. I here it (as a place of residence and work) nafig unnecessary, even for nothing. And something tells me that I'm not the only one.
    4. Simon
      Simon April 21 2016 11: 57
      +24
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      Sorry, of course, but I don’t want to live in Moscow, I don’t want to chase this green dollar. I want to live peacefully without any political shocks and to have a stable, calm work. All that is located in the east of Russia from Moscow is all Russian identity, from which Moscow really separates.
    5. V.ic
      V.ic April 21 2016 12: 01
      +12
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      I do not want to live in a large garbage dump in a large bomzhatnik.
    6. RBLip
      RBLip April 21 2016 12: 02
      +24
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      but your untruth. I do not hate Moscow. and I don’t want to live in it.
      but what you write about is the misconception of Muscovites about the castle ...
      graphically, it looks something like this:
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 21 2016 13: 38
        +2
        This map is not a delusion of Muscovites, this map is a delusion of the Little Britons, since they themselves did not offend by drawing this map.
        1. KSLip
          KSLip April 21 2016 17: 50
          +4
          Quote: KaPToC
          that map is a delusion of the Little Britons, since they themselves did not offend by drawing this map.

          Well, yes, well, yes ... can you tell me where the current Muscovites send and dream of sending their offspring to study? so the graphics are very true ....
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 21 2016 18: 04
            +2
            You exaggerate greatly, not many Muscovites can send their children to study in London, Muscovites live richer, but not so much.
            1. reservist
              reservist April 21 2016 20: 02
              +2
              the rich may, but this is the same exception as for other cities
              among Russian students abroad, the percentage of Moscow students is not that big, imho, Moscow students over the hill in terms of number even do not reach the same Ukrainians ...
    7. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 21 2016 12: 13
      +16
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      Do not make me laugh! I don’t need your "mask" for nothing! The regions would not interfere with life, there would be beauty!
    8. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 21 2016 12: 15
      +13
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      After the army he could stay both in Moscow and near Moscow, he didn’t want to. Ural is closer and dearer to me. But I don’t feel like living and yearning for the Motherland.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 21 2016 12: 58
        +6
        Quote: EvgNik
        After the army he could stay both in Moscow and near Moscow, he didn’t want to. Ural is closer and dearer to me. But I don’t feel like living and yearning for the Motherland.

        The same thing is with me. Although the Moscow residence permit is still there, but ... the soul of the open space asks. Siberia is the will
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    9. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad April 21 2016 12: 41
      +7
      There is some truth in your words. Of course, not all. But in the end it turns out that half, if not more, of the working-age population in Moscow and the region are newcomers. At an enterprise in the Moscow region, where I work, half of the specialists and superiors who came from the near and far regions and settled here. It is a fact.
    10. pazuhinm
      pazuhinm April 21 2016 12: 44
      -6
      I agree. Few people say it out loud, but they want to ...
    11. 79807420129
      79807420129 April 21 2016 12: 44
      +12
      Quote: Trouble
      Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

      God forbid to live there.
    12. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 12: 55
      +2
      laughing Have you read the article carefully? The author is now registered in Moscow. but lives in Siberia ...
      1. Vitwin
        Vitwin April 21 2016 13: 46
        +13
        Quote: domokl
        but lives in Siberia ...

        Alexander, an excellent article, sharp and in the subject of everything good
        I myself live in Siberia and see what is happening.
        PS cons article must be understood, the Muscovites set lol
      2. Freeman
        Freeman April 22 2016 02: 53
        0
        domokl RU Yesterday, 12:55 ↑
        laughing Have you read the article carefully? The author is now registered in Moscow. but lives in Siberia ...

        That's it, but the "little bit" still remains ... yes
    13. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg April 21 2016 13: 40
      +6
      I didn’t like Moscow back in the Soviet years and now I don’t have respect. Then the "big village", and now the money buzzard! So Moscow is far from Russia! And its loss will be significant only in the historical aspect!
    14. 34 region
      34 region April 21 2016 15: 02
      +9
      11.41. Why did you get that everyone wants to live in it? I did not like Moscow in Soviet times, nor today. And why is everyone moving to Moscow? For the money! Earn money! And they ride in echelons! This is normal? Destroy jobs in the outback and leave in the capital! And then blame, come along! The question is why jobs are not being created in other regions?
      1. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk April 21 2016 23: 43
        +1
        TOTALLY AGREE- I will not even give examples.
    15. techie
      techie April 22 2016 05: 24
      +6
      It so happened, I lived in Moscow for 4 years. Himself from Vladivostok. I was in Moscow for work. But he was not delighted. I even sighed with relief when I returned home for 4 years (before that only on vacation and went to NG). And the small fish business was successfully strangled by the Moscow monopolies. It was in 2002. Then Muscovites crushed the shoulder of fish delivery from the Far East to Moscow (and further to the central regions). To date, this tumor has crawled and engulfed the ENTIRE fish business in the country, including fishing assets and logistics. And what, to rejoice at their "success"? This is not envy, this is indignation, multiplied by the inability to somehow slow down this process of seizing assets (selectively, the most promising) throughout the country. And not only in the fish business, but in absolutely all areas of activity. Far from competitive methods. Not competitive at all.
  • magadanets
    magadanets April 21 2016 11: 43
    -9
    at moscow lei a bus ticket is expensive, that’s what they pay them more))
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov April 21 2016 11: 57
      +4
      Muscovites are paid at work if you are something, otherwise 20 people will line up for your vacancy in one hour and you will have a fascinating journey into the world of vacancies for superjob

      1. magadanets
        magadanets April 21 2016 12: 05
        +15
        and we don’t get paid even if you are something) 30 ceiling. All that is more than 30 shift somewhere for example to the Far North
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov April 21 2016 12: 15
          -4
          all who envy the life of Muscovites - I wish to be in Moscow and "live nicely" on "huge salaries"

          )

          Usually it ends up with a car on credit, lost by job cuts and a trip home with the sale of a car, debt on credit and other g * vnu.

          He bargains and spits out Moscow) so there is no need to write odes that living in Moscow is beautiful and good, but bad everywhere.

          Usually, those who leave for Moscow are still beautifully all on the phone say that they have a good life - and in fact half the salary to rent a house is the other half to pay loans, well, it’ll come down to eat.

          There are enough examples)

          1. magadanets
            magadanets April 21 2016 12: 45
            +7
            and who said that someone is jealous of them?
          2. domokl
            domokl April 21 2016 13: 00
            +5
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            all who envy the life of Muscovites - I wish to be in Moscow and "live nicely" on "huge salaries"

            Fi ... Dear, you inattentively read the article. The author lived and is still registered in Moscow. And he knows the topic perfectly ...
            1. Rivares
              Rivares April 21 2016 22: 40
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              Fi ... Dear, you inattentively read the article. The author lived and is still registered in Moscow. And he knows the topic perfectly ...

              And if the author perfectly knows the topic, what has he still not refused a residence permit))) he wants to receive an unfair pension? And then in words one thing and in fact registration is more important))
        2. DMB_95
          DMB_95 April 21 2016 12: 43
          +15
          We, in a small town in the Pskov region, have a permanent job for 30 thousand. - a very good option. And prices are only rising. And the peasants have a tough choice - to work for a penny here and live with their families, saving on everything, or working on a rotational basis for days off for several months, hell knows where for the huge 50 thousand for us, not seeing how your children grow up. We do not work badly, we “represent something” from ourselves no worse than Muscovites. We only have a “standard of living” worse.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 21 2016 12: 21
        +13
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        Muscovites are paid at work if you are something

        Zadolbali these "representing" everyone! At our work, the administration has grown exponentially and everyone is busy with endless paperwork with the Moscow ones! It is necessary for those who represent themselves to justify their presence in the offices. So it turns out - one with a bipod - seven with a spoon! am
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 April 21 2016 17: 48
          +4
          Quote: Bayonet
          At our work, the administration has grown significantly and everyone is busy with endless paperwork with Moscow!

          Paperwork is not so bad, the trouble is that the time difference with the capital is 4 hours. A friend doesn’t come to work with his friend (Sberbank) before 22.00, because 18.00 is Moscow. this is exactly 22.00 in Krasnoyarsk. Where is the idiocy and bureaucratism fool
        2. Constructor1
          Constructor1 April 21 2016 19: 05
          +3
          Quote: Bayonet
          So it turns out - one with a bipod - seven with a spoon!

          By the way, my father-in-law worked at the POLET factory in Omsk, he told me something about interesting numbers, for 5000 factory workers - REALLY WORKING (those who at least produce something - locksmiths, machine tool workers) are only 500 people !!
          -And the rest? I ask ..
          -And the rest, managers and administration ...
          And the salaries of the administration, not at times, but by orders of magnitude higher ..
          1. sibiryouk
            sibiryouk April 21 2016 23: 46
            +1
            Omsk FLIGHT is now in the ACC. WE in JSC ISS im.Reshetneva they took almost all the work!
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik April 21 2016 11: 45
    +23
    Everything is correct. We have the same thing in the Urals.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 21 2016 11: 49
      +12
      400 km from Moscow - the same song!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 21 2016 12: 04
        +14
        You will be surprised, but 100 km from Moscow is no better - that's why everyone is trying to get a job in Moscow. There is no place to work in the place - all the migrant workers were overwhelmed. And people are already spoiled now: why should they, for example, work in a vegetable store, if they can work a day in Moscow, and two have a rest at home. Those who want to earn money then get a second job (I mean security). You won’t take a second job in the field or at the factory in your place of residence - there’s just not enough time for it. So the Moscow Region has not far gone from all of Russia, the advantage over the rest of Russia is that we are closer to Moscow, which means there are more opportunities to get a job there.
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 April 21 2016 13: 15
          +12
          I live in Podolsk, I work in Moscow, because I didn’t find anything worthwhile in Podolsk. I work in the defense industry for 47 tr. In the morning I get up to work at 5.45 a.m., 2 hours to get to work, at 20.00 you get home from work. from work immediately to the train, and sleep on weekends) Only the bosses get good salaries in the defense industry, and from 25 to 50 with all the bonuses. Those who live in the suburbs are called zamkadysh)
          So, not everyone who works in Moscow lives richly, it’s just that there are more people rich per sq.m than in the whole country. Therefore, they think that everyone in Moscow lives on.
      2. CORNET
        CORNET April 21 2016 12: 35
        +10
        Quote: gray smeet
        400 km from Moscow - the same song!

        To be honest, this (as described by the author) begins right behind the Moscow ring road and the farther the worse ... I myself from the Urals oil, gas, minerals, high-tech production, etc. But there is no money, everyone is leaving for Moscow! The most annoying thing is that they (Muscovites) teach us how to work and live .. You don’t know how to work, so you live in poverty .. It's like an old woman ... am
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet April 21 2016 13: 05
          +6
          Having departed from Moscow some 500 kilometers, you can take a fascinating journey through time. Like 100 years ago, they live in subsistence farming in several villages of the Vologda Oblast, drink tea from samovars and while away evenings in the light of kerosene lamps. Not because they cherish the traditions of their ancestors, but because they have no choice. About the life of the Russian village in isolation from civilization (many photos):

          http://vitaminka2012k.livejournal.com/910906.html

          Quote from this link:
          Once there was a school, shop, post office, club, hospital. Now all that remains is only the rickety buildings as reminders of a past life.

          PS. But there live people, the same citizens of Russia, as in Moscow ....
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 21 2016 14: 25
            -3
            You need to sell vacation packages to you in the Vologda Oblast - there will be no end to tourists.
  • gabs
    gabs April 21 2016 11: 46
    +13
    Everything is correctly said, in Udmurtia the same thing.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 April 21 2016 11: 49
    +34
    Let Muscovites take offense at me, but the author is somewhat right.
    All the largest banks, concerns, monopolies, giant companies are registered in Moscow, respectively - both federal and local taxes are paid in Moscow, and these are gigantic amounts. That is why Sobyanin and the Moscow authorities can easily make substantial supplements to pensions and social benefits, demolish old Khrushchevs, build new houses, schools, kindergartens, clinics and roads.
    And in those regions where the commercial activity is actually carried out due to which super profits are received, the crumbs remain. Moreover, from the regions ALL money received there, first sent again to Moscow, and only then, a small part of them is returned to the region.
    If the same Rosneft and Gazprom left most of the money in the regions where they work and get crazy profits, rather than exported to Moscow, then the situation on the ground went completely different.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets April 21 2016 15: 01
      +5
      Quote: sever.56
      If the same Rosneft and Gazprom left most of the money in the regions where they work and get crazy profits, rather than exported to Moscow, then the situation on the ground went completely different.

      I also thought a lot about this. And I think that if companies paid taxes at the place of registration and place of business, then the place of business and place of registration would be one.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv April 21 2016 15: 33
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      Let Muscovites take offense at me, but the author is somewhat right.
      All the largest banks, concerns, monopolies, giant companies are registered in Moscow, respectively - both federal and local taxes are paid in Moscow, and these are gigantic amounts.

      Little educational program. Each organization has a TIN and PPC. Let's say there is a certain organization TIN 7705123456, KPP 550101001. This means that it is registered in Moscow in the fifth Federal Tax Service, where it reports, but pays taxes to Omsk
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 21 2016 16: 04
        +4
        This means that she is registered in Moscow in the fifth Federal Tax Service Inspectorate, where she reports, but pays taxes to Omsk


        This is for what reason, excuse me? When I sent a tax paycheck, what do you think, why did I indicate the TIN and PPC number in it? For the report? Precisely so that my tax would be credited to the appropriate budget, for example, to the budget of the Khabarovsk district, because OOO Shkafa was registered in the district, and not in Khabarovsk, where the activity was carried out and where there was a bank through which payment was made. So why would a payment company with a Moscow TIN, even if paid in Khabarovsk, be credited to the account of Khabarovsk?
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 21 2016 16: 56
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          Why did I indicate in it the TIN and PPC number? For the report?

          What am I talking about? Rough. TIN is an identifier, PPC recipient
          So why would a payment company with a Moscow TIN, even if paid in Khabarovsk, be credited to the account of Khabarovsk?

          Dura lex, sed lex (The law is harsh, but it is a law)
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 22 2016 11: 11
            0
            What am I talking about? Rough. TIN is an identifier, PPC recipient


            Rude and not true. PPC explained below to you.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 22 2016 23: 13
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Rude and not true. PPC explained below to you.

              Rude and true. Only in tax payments is it necessary to fill in the PPC and the BCC. PPC is the final recipient of the tax payment. KBK - decryption
      2. your1970
        your1970 April 21 2016 18: 53
        +1
        PPC
        Code of reason for registration with tax authorities. It is assigned together with the TIN only to organizations, individual entrepreneurs and individuals are not assigned.
        The checkpoint code consists of nine digits and contains according to the Order of the Ministry of Taxes and Levies of Russia from 03.03.2004 N BG-3-09 / 178 as amended. from 03.03.2004 No. BG-3-09 / 178 the following information:
        1 - 4 digits - code of the tax authority where the organization was registered;
        5 and 6 digits - indicate the reason for registering the organization;
        7 - 9 digits - indicate the serial number of registration with the tax authority.
        The checkpoint is indicated on the certificate with the organization's TIN. PPC must be affixed to declarations, payment documents, payments to extra-budgetary funds. Since the IP does not have a checkpoint, the corresponding graphs for them remain empty.


        Transmission decryption example:
        As an example, let's take the 773301001 gearbox based on the data, we get:
        1 - 4 digits - 7733. This is the code of the tax authority where the organization - IFTS No. 33 in Moscow was registered.
        5 and 6 digits are 01. This is the reason code for registering the organization - registration with the tax authority of a Russian organization as a taxpayer at its location.
        7 by 9 digits - 001. This is the serial number of registration with the tax authority.
        The checkpoint does not contain a check number.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 22 2016 23: 03
          0
          Quote: your1970
          Transmission decryption example:
          As an example, let's take the 773301001 gearbox based on the data, we get:
          1 - 4 digits - 7733

          Shine. What am I talking about. And PBU 18 is weak to post here?
    3. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 23: 01
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      but the author is somewhat correct.
      All the largest banks, concerns, monopolies, giant companies are registered in Moscow, respectively - both federal and local taxes are paid in Moscow, and these are gigantic amounts. That is why Sobyanin and the Moscow authorities can easily make substantial supplements to pensions and social benefits, demolish old Khrushchevs, build new houses, schools, kindergartens, clinics and roads.

      In some ways, of course, he is right .. but let’s imagine that Siberia separated from the capital, for example, in Omsk.
      All taxes paid will remain in place! Each region will contain its own army and police! Roads, schools, airfields and hospitals will be supported by local princely officials, and recommendations will be sent from Omsk on how to do everything! The princes will certainly do everything together for the people, and not strengthen their vertical with the centralization of taxes on their estate! And people from the area where the forest and cones will not run to the local developed areas where they pay more, because they sell nickel, for example, and they have wood and cones (or mountains and ravines) and therefore there is no money and will not even envy because become immediately conscious.
      And doctors and engineers will live and work in the countryside, and will not run where they pay more! Maybe the question is no longer about the poor Muscovites, but about the availability of fair governance? By the way, Sobyanin is not a Muscovite. And me too.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 21 2016 11: 55
    -4
    I put a minus, a lot of things are correct, but it is said as something "not right", and there is a "smell of nationalism", but about the roads in general, crap, sorry, you see the weather is not the same, but in the Scandinavian countries is that? Of course I understand that dreams, but to blame everything on the weather is not correct. And again, only criticism, "everything is bad, everything is very bad," we know, what to do? AND ?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 21 2016 14: 57
      +1
      In Scandinavia, a completely different climate and soils are different, they steal not only in Russia, they steal everywhere.
  • Aliv
    Aliv April 21 2016 11: 55
    -3
    Quote: antiexpert
    question: why are you, the author, personally not standing on the street with a poster "Putin is a dictator!"
    Why?

    Because they created the national guard. And an unauthorized rally is bad.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 April 21 2016 12: 12
      +3
      Quote: Aliv
      Quote: antiexpert
      question: why are you, the author, personally not standing on the street with a poster "Putin is a dictator!"
      Why?

      Because they created the national guard. And an unauthorized rally is bad.

      Looks like you have already muzzled the national guard? crying And just a week from the moment of formation, what will happen next? smile
      1. karakuin
        karakuin April 21 2016 13: 48
        -4
        And without the national guard, the masked "ZUBR", together with the children of small children and Japanese journalists, packed us into police wagons with kicks and truncheons. Have already tried it. True, at night the brave Bison was caught - 3 with fractures, 2 - in intensive care. They grabbed the pacifiers. We are waiting for the next visit, but I think the Bison will not come, be careful. And the cops all quickly changed into civilian clothes, and when they were caught, they fell to their knees and swore that it was not them.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 21 2016 19: 04
          +3
          Of course, I personally don't know your "cops", but it seems to me that decent cops don't kneel ...
          Yes, and riot police beaten in such quantities, also somehow takes doubt ..
          And on the Internet, nothing is heard about such residents-beating riot police and cops en masse ..
          YOU ARE NOT FROM 404 HOUR HOUR?
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 22 2016 16: 25
            0
            There was a case in 2008 in Vladivostok. Local riot police refused to participate in the crackdown on the demonstration (in protest against the increase in duties on imported Japanese cars) in the city's central square. The federal authorities, knowing in advance about this rally, drove riot police from Moscow. These beat everyone in a row, both protesters, and ordinary innocent passers-by, and journalists of the Japanese television company NHK. And then these same riot policemen were really muddied by the locals. Well, on federal channels everything was presented in the form of "Vladivostok hucksters are pumping their rights and do not want to support domestic producers."
      2. karakuin
        karakuin April 21 2016 13: 48
        -3
        And without the national guard, the masked "ZUBR", together with the children of small children and Japanese journalists, packed us into police wagons with kicks and truncheons. Have already tried it. True, at night the brave Bison was caught - 3 with fractures, 2 - in intensive care. They grabbed the pacifiers. We are waiting for the next visit, but I think the Bison will not come, be careful. And the cops all quickly changed into civilian clothes, and when they were caught, they fell to their knees and swore that it was not them.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 22 2016 18: 17
          0
          Now the attack on law enforcement officials - several years in prison - they can taunt you, but you do not.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 23 2016 12: 31
            0
            "- they can bludgeon you, but you can't."
            In fact, all over the world (a couple of centuries at least already !!!!) it is accepted to give several years for an attack on police officers
    2. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Aliv
      Because they created the national guard. And an unauthorized rally is bad

      Excuses. A single picket is 100% legal.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 21 2016 11: 56
    -6
    Does the author seriously believe that in Moscow they just pay money? Or are the working conditions ideal? Let him give me an address wherever I go, I’ll go to get a job, or they need work, there is no material, they must pay 3 months, overalls are worn out, the cabin is cold, the toilet cubicle is to the top, and this is at the facility opposite the Moscow Region Government!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 13: 04
      +2
      The author was recently a Muscovite. And officially, it remains for them so far .. So he knows the situation on both sides very well. Read the article carefully
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec April 21 2016 11: 56
    +18
    The author is right. And I have a feeling that people live only up to the Urals, and the rest are backyards. And Putin has nothing to do with it. I myself live in Siberia and I know how much is mined and who it feeds. And salaries are also different and not because less people work.

    P.S. I will add that almost all of the enterprises we own are Muscovites. Somehow they fought off so that they would not build a manganese plant beyond Krasnoyarsk. Why is it not being built near Moscow?
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 21 2016 13: 45
      +4
      When he was on a business trip to Bratsk, he was hit by gas prices, which are significantly higher than in St. Petersburg. Although it would seem where the oil is extracted ?!
    2. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich April 21 2016 13: 54
      +3
      Smiled!
      I (from the Urals) still live !!!
  • mpzss
    mpzss April 21 2016 11: 59
    0
    I already got cons this morning for commenting on a similar article, but I’ll write anyway:
    I don’t remember who said, “EVERY NATION HAS THE GOVERNMENT THAT DEESES,” therefore I consider all these “peeps” and “howls” about the fact that everything is bad - just sabotage aimed at the disintegration of the country!
    And in general, if you (the author) lived in Moscow and left there, then accordingly you had reasons for this (job change, married, etc.), but you can come back! or it’s just a shame that he left, and the problem is already returning: there is no old work, he sold the apartment, or something like that!
    I myself live in the Urals in a small town, but we have a tightly paid job, but work IS!
    I don’t know about Muscovites by hearsay, my sisters were born and ALL my life they live there, their salary is LESS THAN mine! The rent is MORE than mine. Husbands get along with me! Therefore, do not talk about all Muscovites that they get a lot!
    Yes, there is more money to "spin" than in ANY city in the country, but can you name me at least one country where the bulk of the money is "spinning" not in the capital !?
    1. krops777
      krops777 April 21 2016 12: 32
      +5
      Yes, there is more money to "spin" than in ANY city in the country, but can you name me at least one country where the bulk of the money is "spinning" not in the capital !?

      USA New York for example
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 21 2016 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: krops777
        USA New York for example

        The capital of the SGA is Washington.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik April 21 2016 15: 53
          +1
          Minus means that the capital was moved? Wow, but I didn’t know. Live a century - you will die a fool.
        2. krops777
          krops777 April 21 2016 17: 26
          +3
          Yes, you carefully read the quote, it is written that the bulk of the money is not spinning in the capital.
        3. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 22 2016 16: 31
          0
          I would say that the money in Star Hollywood Los Angeles or the computer in San Francisco and Seattle spins a little less than in New York.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 21 2016 16: 35
        +1
        Canada, Brazil, Australia, Morocco, Germany .... this is not a complete list.
      3. Rivares
        Rivares April 22 2016 01: 35
        0
        Quote: krops777
        USA New York for example

        There, the main contribution is the New York Stock Exchange, with electronic trading (one of the largest in the world), the vast majority of which are made in different states (or different countries) but are registered on the stock exchange of this city. Not a very good example))
      4. maai
        maai April 23 2016 00: 35
        0
        So I also look at them, at these imperials))) with their "grammar", and immediately remember the rules of the Russian language and such a funny pamphlet:
        ...
        “You meet with a young lady, let's say in a cafe. By chance, some cute absurdity makes you talk to each other - well, I don’t know if she dropped her handkerchief or you asked her to call her phone. And suddenly you glanced at each other.
        Then - evening, summer, even spring, warmth, bird cherry strangles and nightingales satan. Laughter, slight intoxication, you are standing on the balcony of her house, then go into the room ... Here the keyboard is powerless. She is a goddess, and even the sixth orgasm cannot separate you. You fall asleep like a tick digging into her ass, and in a dream formulate a marriage proposal.
        Morning. The sun is peeling right in the eye. I have to wake up. On the table is a note.
        "My joy, my sun, the light of my life ... I went to work. This is such a torment - to be parted from that ..." STOP. What is this ?! ... Once again! "torment - will be separated from you!" ...
        Oh no! NOT! Just not that!
        At half past six the clatter of keys is heard. You catch a glimpse of this endlessly cute profile from behind the door leaf ... Goodbye!
        An ax in inept hands does not cut the neck even with the third blow. You stand in a pool of blood above the dying goddess and whisper "hush! What to do! Hush! ..."
    2. AlexSK
      AlexSK April 21 2016 12: 44
      +7
      Quote: mpzss
      Yes, we have a tightly paid job, but after all, the work IS!

      There is. But which one. And how much they pay for it is the main question. I speak for my city Krasnoyarsk. You open the list of vacancies and the feeling that the country needs some traders. Sellers consultants, sales, all kinds of managers, merchandisers, freight forwarders, storekeepers, etc. etc. Not one factory or factory, as long as I live here, was not open, but it was somewhat closed. And every year, almost shopping centers horseradish ..chat on many hectares. That's the whole layout.
    3. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 13: 07
      +7
      Quote: mpzss
      And in general, if you (the author) lived in Moscow and left there, then accordingly you had reasons for this (job change, married, etc.), but you can come back! or it’s just a shame that he left, and the problem is already returning: there is no old work, he sold the apartment, or something like that!

      laughing There is a residence permit, there is an apartment, though the son lives there now. I can return at any time. Only the article is not about that. And that people, our Russian people live not only in Moscow. And they should live no worse than Muscovites.
      1. Vitwin
        Vitwin April 21 2016 14: 00
        +10
        Quote: domokl
        Only the article is not about that. And that people, our Russian people live not only in Moscow. And they should live no worse than Muscovites.

        Great postscript to the article .. hi
        Paraphrasing an old joke - Siberians do not want that there would not be rich, but they want that there would not be poor))
    4. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 21 2016 16: 33
      0
      This man, who said that every nation has that government that deserves is simply a moral ur0d. Strong states and nations impose a weak government advantageous to them on their own; Ukraine is a textbook example.

      This is the question of mentally alternative gifted bastards quoting stupid sayings, there are no brains of your own - you can’t insert strangers.
    5. maai
      maai April 23 2016 00: 30
      -2
      Wherever I could straighten out the cons.
      On their cons and other "paper shoulder straps" - I do not care))) ... pulled back the resources of the CIA))).
      The author of the article **** Troll with Codla ***** the onlookers of his imperial goblins.

      As the saying goes, "you, not Mother Russia! You won't wait. No matter what surnames do it all, we will always recognize you all and we will spit in your enemy and venal hari!" : D)))
      Divide and rule!? - And here ***! )))
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan April 21 2016 11: 59
    -2
    Maybe someone does not know, but Moscow and the Moscow Region are still one huge plant and a scientific center, without which Russia simply cannot exist. Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, Baumanka, Moscow Aviation Institute, Dubna, Zelenograd, etc., etc. In order to see this, it is enough just to ride in the Moscow region. There are poking factories - you’ll go crazy ...
    1. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 13: 08
      +5
      Ural and Siberian cities are not just huge factories. They are also defense plants ... Only salaries are different ...
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 21 2016 15: 09
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Ural and Siberian cities are not just huge factories. They are also defense plants.

        Well, you can not tell me about this. yes JSC "MZiK" 7 years old (engineer-physicist winked , etc.). repeat
        And almost every second plant in the Moscow Region is a military-industrial complex. yes
        hi
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 21 2016 13: 11
      +5
      And nobody argues about this. It’s just that Moscow began to absorb and devour people from all over Russia.
      Almost 10% of the population of a huge country - are there too many?
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Maybe someone does not know, but Moscow and the Moscow Region are still one huge plant and a scientific center, without which Russia simply cannot exist. MIPT, Baumanka, MAI, Dubna, Zelenograd, etc.

      And the conversation, as I understand it, is not about the indigenous inhabitants of Moscow, and not about the inhabitants at all (although the outflow of population from Siberia to Moscow also affects the whole country), but about capital that goes directly to Moscow, bypassing producers of this capital. Back in Soviet times, there was a conversation about the need to transfer the capital to another city.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 21 2016 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: EvgNik
        Almost 10% of the population of a huge country - are there too many?

        To be precise, 12%
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik April 21 2016 15: 51
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          To be precise, 12%

          Oh ... get angry. And regional centers also strive for centralization, pulling people out of villages and small towns.
  • kebeskin
    kebeskin April 21 2016 12: 01
    +16
    I partly agree. And what the last governors did to our Krasnoyarsk Territory and the mayor of Krasnoyarsk does not lend itself at all to explanation. Residents were actually left to their own devices. It turns out that they did not spend 160 million on road repairs. And our expensive is no better than Omsk. 3 month black sky mode, the governor says the wind will blow and everything will be fine. Although when there was an economy forum recently, immediately at this time, the regime was canceled in the city. Public gardens are being cut down for the sake of building a pair of dormitories. I am a patriot of my country and I like living in Russia, but the work of local officials is kind of a kapets. Sorry to boil.
  • Blondy
    Blondy April 21 2016 12: 02
    +13
    Quote: Trouble
    Everyone hates Moscow, but everyone wants to live in it.

    Well, for everyone it is not necessary. If Moscow was previously considered a large village, now it is a large collector - everything is a bog. pops up. Of course, there are more good people than bad ones, but not all good people go to Moscow, but almost all of them do not really want to go there for some reason. Judging by the growth dynamics of the capital, probably half a million indigenous Muscovites will not be typed. All the rest are those who have come to snatch something at the expense of others who, through their lips, begin to call themselves Muscovites.
  • miller
    miller April 21 2016 12: 02
    +7
    The country has a lot of unsolved problems, but where are the simple Muscovites?
    1. Rivares
      Rivares April 21 2016 12: 36
      +4
      Quote: miller
      The country has a lot of unsolved problems, but where are the simple Muscovites?

      You are only to blame for what I want to eat!
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 21 2016 12: 02
    +2
    I myself am a Siberian, an Irkutian. I read it, and I have the feeling that this article was written in 1999. Well, a maximum of 2002, then, yes, it was a point. And now, I will not say of course that he is completely wrong, but there are comments on each paragraph. And some absolutely, about nothing ...
    Yes, we don’t indoctrinate, but we can live, of course, I would like to have a better life, but ... Again, I’m an urban man, but a man brings me milk and meat from the village (he produces it himself), he lives like that, not bad, has several cars, changes them periodically. I recently bought land for the expansion of the economy. It works, plows ...
    Maybe I'm wrong, myopia, etc. But there is definitely no hatred.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 13: 10
      +7
      How much does your janitor get? I just just walked the dog, asked the first one I got .. We have 4500 Russian rubles ... And the salary in 20 thousand is fine. The rest, teachers, doctors and other state employees were cut off decently recently
  • DMoroz
    DMoroz April 21 2016 12: 04
    +11
    - Moscow is not Russia ...
    - And what?
    - PUMP !!!
    "Ural dumplings"
  • Demeter
    Demeter April 21 2016 12: 06
    +2
    I now think that the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation, Mr. Yu.Ya. Chaika, should put in prison those who violate the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, including in the field of `` white salaries '', and not sit in their pants in saunas with prostitutes, using public money, from the federal budget, and if he has no desire to work, then the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin should send this rogue to prison and replace him with a person willing and able to work for the benefit of Russia and its citizens.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 21 2016 12: 06
    -11%
    Delirium of a man tired of life. And what problems are that? A man lives as he blinded himself. If the hands are made of buns, then life is exactly the same. And positive and "live" people live the same way and they have a lot of friends. Dorogi ... well, figs with them! And Moscow is one huge closet, where God forbid to be at all. Only visiting for no more than a week. In general, a person who is tired of life and constantly grumbles and writes about everything negative. This does not mean that there are no problems in our country. Of course there are many and many that annoy, but what the author wrote about is not worth a damn.
    1. karakuin
      karakuin April 21 2016 13: 20
      +3
      Here about abstain eggs, you are blinded by ours. Just what? And who are you to bring milk to your home? In Primorye, an unemployed engineer with 25 years of experience, they bring something to their homes.
    2. karakuin
      karakuin April 21 2016 13: 20
      0
      Here about abstain eggs, you are blinded by ours. Just what? And who are you to bring milk to your home? In Primorye, an unemployed engineer with 25 years of experience, they bring something to their homes.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus April 21 2016 12: 07
    +5
    somewhat agree with the author, Moscow actually became a state in the state, the standard of living is not comparable with the rest of Russia, and let's compare financing for repairs and maintenance, and this Moskovsky elite completely snickered
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 21 2016 23: 18
      +2
      The problem of roads in Russia everywhere and in the center of Moscow there are also holes and pits on the roads.
      1. maai
        maai April 23 2016 00: 40
        +1
        The capital is full of pits on the roads in the city center. And there is a track on the Ring Road. Not the same as in Novgorod, but also there. Like thieves that are everywhere. And most of this thief came from where it was born and did not fit.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 21 2016 12: 08
    +5
    The state takes most of the taxes to the center. On meta remain crumbs. Hence the devastation of local infrastructure.
    This is unfair and wrong! Need to share.
    At least in the ratio of 70:30 in percent.
    1. maai
      maai April 23 2016 00: 41
      +1
      Not in the center, but in the pocket of thieves, which by the way was born in different cities of the Soviet Union.
    2. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian April 23 2016 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      This is unfair and wrong! Need to share.

      Quite right. When Yeltsin was drunk it was 50-50, and the regions could do something. Now, if 20% of taxes remain, that's good. And these crumbs would be enough, but thanks to the ghouls from the government and the enemies of the people called the "United Russia Political Party" many obligations that were previously federal have been dropped on the regions. So the province is becoming impoverished and falling apart.
  • grandfather68
    grandfather68 April 21 2016 12: 14
    +12
    What are you all talking about? Really did not hear the voice of a man taken to the extreme? And shout everything about the Russian soul. Where did you share it, if you were? The author is absolutely right in terms of the relationship of power to the Man, although he goes too far, but I assure him of emotions. And you don’t need to write that someone there lives well in Siberia with a salary of 100 tons, but at the same time he sticks in so that there is no time to write - absurdity. To work hard like that is a shitty life, albeit with money. The author is already shouting to all of us - life passes and life is not visible and blames those who, in his opinion, live better.
    At the same time, I also look at my life. Yes, we have such a fate. Grandfathers put their lives in the Second World War, father and mother spent all their life on the country so that my father, having worked until his retirement, went to the grave, although my mother is still alive and cannot walk, I live in Siberia and work hard to make these fucking 100t, but I can’t live I see. One common hope of both grandfathers and parents and my wife and I - maybe even our children ... We are all in a war, all three generations, only war changes our face. So I’ll tell the author - take a deep breath, exhale and decide for yourself - is there still strength or not? You will make a conclusion yourself, but if you are Russian, and even more so Siberian, I think you will still find strength.
    PS And I don’t envy everyone who in the comments is trying to drive a wedge between our people.
    Greetings from the Krasnoyarsk Territory from the banks of the Angara!
  • Evgen2x
    Evgen2x April 21 2016 12: 15
    +2
    The topic that the author raised has a place to say something, the other question is that everyone sees this topic from their point of view, there are enough problems in Russia, and the vertical of power is barely working otherwise the president would not solve these issues manually (it’s completely related), and all this for a moment is the country's security issues, and these issues need to be raised and something needs to be done with them, otherwise there will be a big bang.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 April 21 2016 12: 15
    +6
    Yeltsin, Chubais, Gaidar handed out factories, collective farms, deposits for free to their associates, and maybe they also paid extra money. The new owners know very well that they got rich illegally and sooner or later they will have to pay. Therefore, they do not invest in production in the regions, they do not live, but simply rob, withdraw money, and they tell us: "What did we do ourselves to live better"
  • atamankko
    atamankko April 21 2016 12: 17
    +4
    There are practically no native Muscovites in Moscow,
    Yes, and conversations on the street and in the subway in Russian
    It becomes smaller, except for the mat-on in Russian.
    1. maai
      maai April 23 2016 00: 44
      0
      Before the new year, in the evening, in the subway at the station you go out ... you think that you left the tunnel in Tajikistan. Only four policemen had Russian faces ...
  • kig
    kig April 21 2016 12: 18
    +3
    Primorsky Territory: the largest population (about 2 people) was in 300. Since then it has been rolling down and now amounts to 000. The average per capita nominal income of the population (who will explain what it is?) For 1991 amounted to 1 rubles. The economically active population compared to 900 was 000%. The number of unemployed on 2015 amounted to 33500 people - an increase of 2014% compared to the previous year. The number of vacancies in the employment service compared with last year decreased by 98%. Fixed capital investment = 01.01.2016% compared to the previous year. Mineral extraction = 16500% compared to the previous year. Well and all that jazz. According to TV and the press, trillions of rubles have been invested in the development of the Primorsky Territory.
  • demokrat86
    demokrat86 April 21 2016 12: 19
    +11
    This will always be the case while all the ministries with huge and swollen states are in Moscow. Tell me why the Ministry of Agriculture is located in the center of Moscow, where there are not even trees. Right now they will make minuses of course, but it should be in the south, where our breadbasket is. Lead on the ground. I live in the near Moscow region and often visit the regions. Moscow has long snickered. This I'm not talking about ordinary workaholic.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 21 2016 14: 37
      -2
      Well, it’s good that everything is more or less normal with agriculture, so let the Ministry of Agriculture stay in Moscow.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 21 2016 23: 33
      0
      Judging by the Ministry of Crops, everything in our agriculture is simply amazing. Http://www.mcx.ru/news/news/show/46727.355.htm
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 23: 36
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Judging by the Ministry of Crops, everything in our agriculture is simply amazing. Http://www.mcx.ru/news/news/show/46727.355.htm

        Judging by the data of officials, we finally live in paradise, but in fact, they are! am
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 22 2016 10: 50
          0
          In "paradise" live those who are engaged in business and those who are not engaged in their business - alas, there will always be in a market economy: rich and poor, successful and not successful, bosses and subordinates, as well as waves of economic development - supply and demand, lobbyists, scammers , bribes, carelessness and indifference.
  • Manul
    Manul April 21 2016 12: 20
    +13
    We (in St. Petersburg) have closed a good store, where there were many good departments (including with goods for children, which is a rarity in the district). To open an alcohol market. And there are a lot of chain stores around where you can get a drink, he really is superfluous. And when I asked people working there - how so? They told me that. this is not decided by us, but in Moscow. IN MOSCOW, CARL! The author does not call for Muscophobia! The author draws attention to the fact that the ministers closed all financial flows on themselves. Everything is decided in Moscow. And the problems of the regions do not really bother them. By the way, the crisis got to me - they introduced an abbreviation for the working day (and I clearly see how tenders for projects are won by Moscow offices, how they ruin competitors, how not all specialists are put in all managerial positions, but people in communications and mainly from the capital). And my father in the Urals for several months without a salary in a construction office. So the author says everything correctly. There are problems and they need to be paid attention to, and not to be hoarse until hoarse.
    ZY And as for the "dislike" for Moscow - so I myself struggle with this fucking stereotype in people all the time. I consider it imposed, as the hatred towards us of non-brothers.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 21 2016 12: 23
    +7
    In many ways, the author is right
  • Sars
    Sars April 21 2016 12: 23
    +16
    I travel to Iran, interestingly there is no difference in roads, buildings, salaries, etc., that in Tehran, that is 1300 km from it in Shiraz, playgrounds, flower beds and the same level.
    And it turns out this way: we pay all taxes, salary levels, the level of medical care, education, and even security are different (I mean the same air defense).
  • abuyanovus
    abuyanovus April 21 2016 12: 25
    +17
    Why did they only remember Siberia? There is also the Komi Republic, the Arkhangelsk Region ... And there is NO money in these regions. Moreover, they regularly share their budgets with the federal budget, in contrast to some of which they report about "rapid progress in organizing production." But the hero city Moscow, with a budget deficit of several billion, bathes in them almost choking. Of course, if there are "cleaners" in the gas industry on the Q5 drive around and leave !!!! so by chance on the front seat of a handbag for 1 lam !!! rubles are left. I don’t know what she cleans up there, but here we have the rate of the cleaning lady according to the minimum wage, and nothing more.
    Moscow got drunk and in this frenzy it completely ceased to understand how far it had become detached from the rest of the country, and this is bad, very bad. And if people go there just for money (they can be perfectly understood), then I don't understand the country's leadership as a whole. We will not be able to resist our enemies, who, by the way, have recently stopped hiding when there is such an unhealthy imbalance in the standard of living in the country. Society will not stand up as a monolith under the slogan "Behind Moscow" when it eats potatoes from grandmother's six hundred square meters every day and with envy drool over the well-fed and ruddy inhabitants of the "capital" who, from the TV screen, teach everyone how to live properly. And they receive wages according to their salary or do not receive them at all, because neither large federal companies nor the budget pay, simply and without explanation. Already tired. In the second crisis, I observe the same picture: there is no money in the regions, but in Moscow, as they paid, they pay, without any delay. They are also surprised ...

    I dedicate this comment to Chubais with his nanoeconomics, to Yakunin with such tariffs for railway transportation that it is easier to drown equipment in Usinsk than to bring it back, separately to Mr. Geiser and his entire company, which for some reason were not shot with confiscation.

    PS: And the last and most important thing. Respected ordinary Muscovites, I understand that you are not to blame for the current state of affairs and your life is not at all as sugar as shown by a zombie dog, but ... There is an old saying: a well-fed hungry man does not mean. And while the regions, sorry, in the ass, they will hate you because they know very well that they are paying for your beautiful life. And you know, it’s not feudal society in any way, and they are not obliged to feed you.
    1. pavelty
      pavelty April 21 2016 12: 42
      -8
      Obviously not you feed me
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  • askort154
    askort154 April 21 2016 12: 25
    +7
    About the eternal question in Russia - roads. I spent many vacations in "autotours", a hobby. In a nutshell.
    Regions with the same climatic conditions, but the quality of the roads is different. Novosibirsk, Omsk, Tyumen, Kurgan, Ekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk - good roads only in Tyumen (Sabianin's "foundation"). Samara, Saratov, Volgograd, Krasnodar are good roads only in the Krasnodar Territory. In the hot summer of 2010, the temperature was 40-43, from Ekaterenburg to the Black Sea, everywhere the asphalt "floated", ruts, but in the Krasnodar Territory there is no. So the fashionable reference to "special" climatic conditions is not correct. In general, now federal roads are much better than in Soviet times, and there are many times more motor transport. I would, I would force the governors of neighboring regions to conduct visiting state councils. , come only by car, not by plane.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 21 2016 16: 02
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      It would be my will, I’m going to the visiting state councils that would force the governors of the neighboring regions to come only by car, not by plane.

      what they would still be forced to be treated in their usual hospitals in their city hospitals and children should be taught in their schools and universities.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm April 21 2016 12: 38
    +13
    If the article could have put 100 +, I would have put it. Among the tub of crap poured out on the author, there are seeds-posts from people that they see life not through the monitor and actually live in "depressed" cities. It sounded the same
    Quote: gray smeet
    400 km from Moscow - the same song!

    Yes, and the same is closer. Rybinsk. Outside the city, in the most picturesque places you can’t approach the Volga - cottage villages are spread out. All the same, yes, Muscovites. With factories - the same story. Engines for IL-76, superjet, lionfish. And salaries as the author pointed out. Well, then, to us, to take pictures of the whole city and come to non-rubber? Become modern, mobile, successful?
    The only thing I would argue with the author.
    1. The provinces have enough of their smart-ass wise minnows, therefore they also steal. From here there is a bridge to our "roads". That is why they are talking from winter to winter because there is no work. And so - there is. The same news showed how after the "Direct Line" asphalt is put directly into puddles. No money - yes. But this is not necessary either. And the climate has nothing to do with it.
    2. Muscovites should NOT smear everyone with one layer of shit. They have their own enterprises with hard workers, and metro workers, in general, the proletariat. Which, yes, does not fatten, although he probably lives better than his classmate in the province. I have an elderly relative with a heart condition. The operation costs 150 thousand rubles. She lives in Rybinsk, and is registered in Moscow. Pension, allowances and other benefits receive Moscow. The operation for Muscovites is free. Glad for a relative, sincerely. But this does not add to the country of unity. Alas.
    3. The end of the article is similar to the "kindling", v. 282 of the Criminal Code. Careful, author! wink Tightened up, look. And hatred exists. Me too. But the recipient is not the same. Not an ordinary Muscovite started it all. This is power, the essence of which is unchanged, despite patriotic rhetoric.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 21 2016 12: 38
    +16
    Alexander! You should not talk about life in Mestiachkovo. Siberia is huge, but its problems are common to the whole country. And it is not Muscovites or Petersburgers who plunder the country, but that oligarchic bureaucratic pack that plundered the USSR and continues to plunder Russia under a pseudo-patriotic or liberalistic howl.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 21 2016 13: 32
      +3
      If you write at all, it turns out it’s kind of like spoiling the country. But the problem has really grown. When a person receiving 70 thousands is taken away by 5 in any way, then this is of course a problem. But what about the person who receives 20 and is selected by 2? Agree a little different measurements. But this is exactly what happens today. Teachers and physicians were sick of me with examples from their lives ...
  • pavelty
    pavelty April 21 2016 12: 41
    -14%
    Separate the author for hell, you will have the Republic of Siberia, you are sick of eternal whining - Muscovites are to blame for everything, you want to hate Moscow, but this is my hometown. And so far nobody has told me anything in person about hating in plain text, maybe because you can get a cuckoo.
    1. tafalar
      tafalar April 21 2016 12: 54
      +6
      duck and how is Moscow without Siberia? gold diamonds oil gas and stuff will you mine underground in the underground? I think we should not say so about Siberia, the separation of Siberia from the Russian Federation will not bring any benefit to the capital of Russia.
      1. pavelty
        pavelty April 21 2016 12: 58
        -10%
        Of course, I got excited, but the author, in my opinion, has also gone over robust ... all this is clear, I myself often travel to the regions, but they don't like Muscovites, but nevertheless, uk, they climb and climb into this "unloved" Moscow
        1. tafalar
          tafalar April 21 2016 13: 15
          +6
          climb not because of love but because of money. where the money goes there and people are drawn.
        2. domokl
          domokl April 21 2016 13: 35
          +8
          Quote: pavlentiy
          climb and climb into this "unloved" Moscow

          Climb from hopelessness at home. Do you think that someone really wants to leave their own apartment for rent? From family and children?
        3. Sober
          Sober April 21 2016 13: 40
          +5
          Quote: pavlentiy
          Yes, Muscovites do not like

          Those who, steel, excuse meАby the tucks. And if you manage to meet Moskvich, you will find out that mАthey also do not like squats.
        4. lukewarm
          lukewarm April 26 2016 08: 37
          0
          Yes, they would not climb. There is often nowhere to go
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  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 April 21 2016 12: 42
    +7
    About the hatred of the owners from Moscow, and "why talented people (from Siberia) flee to Russia.
    It was possible to write these two phrases and stop, not to dirty the paper further, because it’s already clear why this article is written.
    A lot of injustice in this world. A lot of it is in Mother Russia.
    But with one extra glass of bile you will not correct the situation, but only exacerbate it. stop
  • GUKTU
    GUKTU April 21 2016 12: 49
    +4
    A beautiful life in our country is only on TV. Realities, alas, are not so rosy. It’s not that people don’t want to work, but that often there is no work or it is low paid. Well, in general, the average salary in the country is 27 thousand)))) Vasya has 10 apples, while Petya has 0 apples, and an average of five apples per person. The GDP claims that the Bolsheviks deceived the people, but the new government is not honest ...
  • Sagittarius YaNAO
    Sagittarius YaNAO April 21 2016 12: 51
    0
    I would like to compare the author with the American retirees of the highest ranks, when they say one thing during a tit, and when they drop it off, it’s all about the truth. It's disgusting.
  • Oleg Ivanovich
    Oleg Ivanovich April 21 2016 13: 06
    +11
    I am writing from Omsk. I ask the President of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation on behalf of ALL Omsk. Return taxes from ALL enterprises in Omsk. In the city there is not one company that is registered in Omsk. The oil plant poisons Omsk citizens - money goes to St. Petersburg, etc. Only then we will again become a city - a garden. And we will not need to ask for federal handouts for road repairs and preparations for the 300th anniversary of the city.
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn April 21 2016 14: 30
      +2
      This situation is not only in Omsk, I think that in all major cities of Russia. Moscow, like a spider, has enveloped and milks the regions of Russia, this is not normal.
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 April 21 2016 16: 13
      0
      I am writing from Omsk. I ask the President of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation on behalf of ALL Omsk. Return taxes from ALL enterprises in Omsk.

      It’s better to ask them to leave for now, er didn’t bend us. At least they would give subsidies to the swamps and then they will only have money for Chinese shale, and soon they can only walk on the roof.
  • STN
    STN April 21 2016 13: 06
    +11
    The wise guy here alone wrote that it was all out of envy. No one said that we envy Moscow (I am also from Omsk). The problem is not Muscovites, but unfairly distributed taxes. Almost all enterprises were crushed by Moscow (registered in Moscow or St. Petersburg, respectively, taxes there). And the people then live here, and work hard, as it should. For those 15000.
    As a result, people breathe poison from the Oil Refinery and other chemicals. enterprises, and it is impossible to get to them stupidly without boots. Rubber boots of all models are in fashion. Pedestrian paths have not been made since Soviet times. Here we have 300 years of the city this year. The money for the holiday has already been cut twice. The mayor threw a cry, "Come on, people, we'll throw ourselves off ..." From what such fucking salaries? I'm not talking about abandoned and decayed villages in the region. The feeling that everything is simply being done against the people on purpose in order to raise them to the Maidan.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 April 21 2016 16: 09
      +4
      The feeling that everything is done on purpose against the people, in order to raise him to the Maidan.

      Damn, either we are smart in Siberia or they are stupid in Moscow. I had the same thoughts.
  • karakuin
    karakuin April 21 2016 13: 12
    +18
    This means that clever people in Primorsky Krai have remained half of the native Russian-speaking population since 95. My son graduated 2 years ago as an engineer university, and he still has not got a job in his specialty. The last office collapsed last week - 70% of engineers were laid off, they left the premises in the center, management was dragged out of town - less rent, no work. The main design institute of Primorgrazhdans is a project - all half a year on vacation without maintenance, no work. The great APEC construction projects - for installers from Maaswa - 120000, local installers - 80000 stupid discrimination. Most of the acquaintances went to work with children abroad. What's this? This is genocide. Maaskwa sells electricity to the Chinese cheaper than to residents of Primorye. And fuel at what price? To 50 rubles is selected. And one railway line connects us with your Maaskva; this state has not yet built a normal highway. So you say that we are just working cattle for you - frankly. And then the big-eyed Medved broadcasts to us that we have ADVANCED development. And are you ever going to do the stupid legislative base for REMOVAL? You have no time there in Maaskwa. And how they arrive - they are so important until you come across his cute face in their own G. Then they blush and sweat and the grunts in the throat get stuck, quickly gather back and forth so as not to listen. They got it. Now Medvedinskaya United Russia wants to win the election, they didn’t do nichrome; now they’re raising public relations according to the American model - they are ridiculous. And those wiseacres who say that in Siberia and the Far East are dumbasses who do not want to work, I want to give in the face - they still teach. And you are smart, how can you compete with your own Maaskva without infrastructure, roads of electric networks, water and heat, and even at frantic prices? You have so many preferences and regulations that do not apply to us - just a business one. May you strangle you there in your Maaskwa from your own success and intelligence. Just do not come to us - it makes you sick.
    1. pavelty
      pavelty April 21 2016 13: 17