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The Ministry of Defense ordered X-NUMX T-100 tanks

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Russian Defense Ministry issues Uralvgonzavod a contract for the supply of one hundred tanks T-14 "Armata", the blog reports bmpd with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov.


T-14 tanks ("148 Object") on the Armata platform of the experimental-industrial party during the first open training session of parade calculations in preparation for the 9 Victory Parade in May 2016 of the year in Moscow. Side screens of tanks removed. Alabino. Xnumx

"We have contracted 100 tanks,"
Borisov told journalists at the congress of machine builders.

According to him, the Ministry of Defense is “satisfied with Armata, but is not yet seeking to force purchases.”

The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."

The blog reminds that “in an interview published the day before, Oleg Sienko, General Director of NPK Uralvagonzavod, announced that the corporation headed by him had fulfilled an order of the Ministry of Defense for the supply of 20 tanks of the pilot production line on the Armata platform and was awaiting new orders.”
Photos used:
Vitaly Kuzmin / vitalykuzmin.net
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  1. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL April 20 2016 10: 49
    +13
    And this is just the beginning (for testing smile ) further more! hi
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall April 20 2016 10: 55
      -14%
      It is necessary to increase production. But it’s worth adopting adjusted models of equipment. Was Armata in hot spots? There are many opportunities for testing in a real combat situation.
      1. viktorrymar
        viktorrymar April 20 2016 11: 56
        +19
        tiredwithall BY It is necessary to increase production. But it’s worth adopting adjusted models of equipment. Was Armata in hot spots? There are many opportunities for testing in a real combat situation.


        Damn, not tired of giving all-knowing tips?
        And ask stupid questions?
        Was Armata in hot spots?


        Let’s put you in this tank and send it to Syria, test it on your own skin in a hot spot, first of all, training saves in a hot spot, and these crews need to be trained in conditions close to combat, and not a tank that already has the ability to drive on landfills in any conditions.
        1. Ardein
          Ardein April 20 2016 18: 53
          0
          From an interview with the general director of UVZ, it is known that the T-14 does not yet have a regular ammunition of a new generation of 125mm, so there is nothing to talk about.
          This is the same as discussing the capabilities of the SVD with a machine gun cartridge 7.62x54 and the same sniper. These will be two completely different rifles.
      2. The black
        The black April 20 2016 12: 16
        +11
        Some already chopped Armata nut wassat... in particular, a brave Ukrainian warrior with the call sign is either CONVENTION or SIGN laughing
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin April 20 2016 17: 40
          0
          It reminded me of a 12-year-old statement by one chela about the Internet: "Internet, Internet, ... I went in yesterday, looked ... everything, nothing special, you need it, you still need to pay for it"
          Or else from the classics: "And I was able to fly before. -Come take off, now I can't - I forgot how" (Dreamers)
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    3. NAV-STAR
      NAV-STAR April 20 2016 10: 58
      +7
      So to think, and the general is right, perhaps such a beauty should be tempered, run in and then make up the backbone of the armored forces changing the previous generation of T-robots.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 20 2016 11: 29
        +6
        Quote: NAV-STAR
        So to think, and the general is right, perhaps such a beauty should be tempered, run in and then make up the backbone of the armored forces changing the previous generation of T-robots.


        Yes, there will be improvements, and this party is enough to identify all the bottlenecks.
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      3. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU April 20 2016 11: 29
        +4
        The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."


        I'm going to throw up belay sad how can? Dear Amata? So buy T-90MS. It's a shame ...
        1. Forest
          Forest April 20 2016 11: 59
          -1
          They have a practically identical price for serial production.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 April 20 2016 12: 01
            +6
            Quote: Forest
            They have a practically identical price in serial production.

            "- The T-72B3 tank, which we supply to the Russian army, is 6-7 times cheaper than its foreign counterparts. The T-90 for our army is 5 times cheaper than we sell it on the foreign market. Armata is now 3 times cheaper, than "Abrams", "Leopard" or "Leclerc". Exactly 3 times. Only its potential is much higher. At the same time, the same T-72 and T-90 in terms of their survivability, combat potential is higher than tanks produced in other countries, as this is not strange. We believe that the price-quality ratio is the most optimal. "
            http://www.kp.ru/daily/26518.5/3535038/
            1. yehat
              yehat April 20 2016 12: 11
              0
              according to the ratio, the overall estimate is correct, but here are the specific proportions ...
              the problem is not only the purchase price, but also the cost of maintenance.
              if you take this into account, our prices do not really win
              and the quality is different - foreign tanks often have a lot of extra. equipment or more advanced systems - review, sight, etc.
              finally, it is strange to compare Abrams Leclerc and Leopard in one row, because the prices are very different. The same abrams is close in price to t90, and the leclerc is very expensive.
              I would say that it is not good to throw hats over, soberly the issue needs to be discussed, otherwise it will work out, as with the BT-7 in 1941.
            2. Forest
              Forest April 20 2016 13: 58
              -1
              T-72Б3 - modernization of existing 72-ek, the body remains, the filling and body kit is changing, and it’s very, very budgetary. T-14 simply cannot cost 3-4 million dollars. T-90A several years ago cost the army more than 4-5 million dollars, while the same Abrams cost about 8 million, which can be said about the more advanced T-90AM.
              1. Muvka
                Muvka April 20 2016 14: 10
                +1
                Quote: Forest
                T-72Б3 - modernization of existing 72-ek, the body remains, the filling and body kit is changing, and it’s very, very budgetary. T-14 simply cannot cost 3-4 million dollars. T-90A several years ago cost the army more than 4-5 million dollars, while the same Abrams cost about 8 million, which can be said about the more advanced T-90AM.

                Again 25. Have you read the order from 2016 for T72B3? Where is there "budget" then?
                1. Forest
                  Forest April 20 2016 15: 32
                  0
                  Look at the T-72B2 Slingshot - this was how the full version of the 72 upgrade should look like. As a result, they left the main thing - a new gun and AZ for more powerful shells, air defense, new sights. Only this beauty is many times more expensive.
                  1. Muvka
                    Muvka April 20 2016 16: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Forest
                    Look at the T-72B2 Slingshot - this was how the full version of the 72 upgrade should look like. As a result, they left the main thing - a new gun and AZ for more powerful shells, air defense, new sights. Only this beauty is many times more expensive.

                    He looked. T-72B3 with a new contract is better than your slingshot.
                    1. Forest
                      Forest April 20 2016 19: 03
                      -1
                      With huge holes in the frontal protection and completely bare sides?
                      1. Muvka
                        Muvka April 20 2016 19: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Forest
                        With huge holes in the frontal protection and completely bare sides?

                        Did you even read? It seems not.
                        According to order no. 31603190542 of the Uralvagonzavod in the procurement register, Omsktransmash must upgrade the T-72B to the level of T-72B3. Under the terms of the agreement, the completion of the modernization is planned before the end of 2016. Repair price ₽2 525 984 345,88 (78,9 million per tank). The modernization of the tank includes the installation of: [10]

                        sights "Pine-U" and 1A40-4;
                        target tracking machine;
                        radio station R-168-25U-2 and a complex of hardware and software AVSKU;
                        guns type 2A46M-5-01;
                        6P50 Kord anti-aircraft machine gun
                        engine V-92S2F (1130 hp) with systems ensuring its operation;
                        display complex driver and television rear view camera;
                        caterpillar tracks with slanting lugs and driving wheels with improved cleanability;
                        side body screens with integrated Relict-type dynamic protection modules and lattice projection screens of the MTO body;
                        Completing a single spare tank kit:

                        additional modules of dynamic protection in a “soft” case, which increase the resistance of the side projection of the case to anti-tank cumulative means, with the possibility of their equipment and hanging in operating conditions;
                        modules of dynamic protection and lattice screens of the tower, increasing its resistance to anti-tank cumulative means and installed instead of boxes of spare parts for the tower, depending on the nature of the task;
                        Also:

                        finalization of the AZ, ensuring use with products S-1 and S-2;
                        completion of tanks in terms of ensuring mine resistance, at which the specified event has not been completed.
                        changes in the design of tanks, taking into account product modifications and years of release not specified in the contract, are not allowed, with the exception of cases of termination of production and the inability to restore standard components.
                      2. Forest
                        Forest April 20 2016 20: 46
                        0
                        The troops are unlikely to see them at all. Omsk developments are constantly discarded. So BTR-90 were going to buy recently.
                      3. Muvka
                        Muvka April 20 2016 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Forest
                        The troops are unlikely to see them at all. Omsk developments are constantly discarded. So BTR-90 were going to buy recently.

                        Actually, this is already an order. For a certain amount. What does "hardly" have to do with it?
                      4. Forest
                        Forest April 21 2016 00: 12
                        0
                        Until they post photos of this modernization, everything will be unfounded judgments.
  • CORNET
    CORNET April 20 2016 11: 02
    +2
    Quote: PROSTEEL
    And this is just the beginning (for testing smile ) further more! hi

    Well, where 100, there 200, etc. The stream went to the army ... good
  • The black
    The black April 20 2016 11: 04
    +20
    I must say thank you to those kind people who saved the development and achievements of Soviet engineers in the dashing 90s .. THANKS FOR MEN !!!
    1. Error
      Error April 20 2016 11: 25
      -1
      Defense never ceases to please! The main thing is not to slow down)
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 April 20 2016 11: 30
      -1
      That you correctly noticed
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 April 21 2016 09: 29
        0
        why don’t I see who is minus me and for what? That for the congratulations on the holiday, it is still not clear why ....
    3. Imperial
      Imperial April 20 2016 11: 32
      +10
      The black
      I must say thank you to those kind people who saved the development and achievements of Soviet engineers in the dashing 90s .. THANKS FOR MEN !!!
      Specifically, VI Potkin, who literally put his life for the Indian order and did not let the UVZ bend.
      1. Armax
        Armax April 20 2016 12: 08
        +3
        Quote: Imperial
        Specifically, V.I. Potkin, who literally put his life to the Indian order and did not let the UVZ bend.

        That really was a man with a capital letter.
        He gave the plant to survive, but he did not regret his own heart.
        "... On May 17, the day of Vladimir Ivanovich's funeral, the planes headed for India, everything was done on time, as he had promised."
        These aircraft delivered three T-90Ss to India for testing under the contract, thanks to which UVZ then survived.
  • yehat
    yehat April 20 2016 11: 33
    0
    I wonder how armata adapted to the highlands?
    is there enough power, how the gun spins up and down, adaptability to an oxygen-poor air mixture, etc.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 20 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: yehat
      I wonder how armata adapted to the highlands?
      is there enough power, how the gun spins up and down, adaptability to an oxygen-poor air mixture, etc.

      1350 hp with 52 tons? Of course enough. Over and above. The abrams has a little less horses per ton than the T-14.
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 April 20 2016 11: 58
    +2
    deputy minister must move this t-72
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 April 20 2016 12: 01
    0
    I'm waiting for them to order the shock machine on the armata platform. With a 152mm gun from the St. Coalition
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik April 20 2016 12: 21
      0
      Quote: vkl.47
      I'm waiting for them to order the shock machine on the armata platform. With a 152mm gun from the St. Coalition

      With a gun from kaolitsiya, there will definitely not be why is it there? request Need a gun similar in ballistics to 20 ml.
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  • Portolan
    Portolan April 20 2016 12: 11
    -4
    100 tanks, 12 packs with such an army, we will all win.
    1. Forest
      Forest April 20 2016 14: 02
      0
      Maybe enough to consider the first batch of the only one that will be purchased?
  • Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 April 20 2016 10: 50
    +3
    Well, finally, the orders went))) Although not enough so far, but the news is good!
  • Gerfalcon
    Gerfalcon April 20 2016 10: 50
    +5
    Now this is something, this baby should become related with the military crews, and get a seasoned run-in look.
  • Teberii
    Teberii April 20 2016 10: 50
    -5
    The new tank is good, but there are so many vehicles in the country that they simply don’t have a place yet.
    1. demo
      demo April 20 2016 11: 06
      +3
      Syria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq .....
      Continue?
      A couple of thousand can be sold safely.
      And the place will be vacated and the money will help out.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 20 2016 11: 51
        0
        Quote: demo
        Syria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq .....
        Continue?
        A couple of thousand can be sold safely.
        And the place will be vacated and the money will help out.

        In fact, only Iraq - Yemen and Syria stupidly have no money, and Iran can not, because offensive weapons, and it is under sanctions
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn April 20 2016 17: 48
          +1
          While there are no weapons on the tank, this is a tractor .... Peace tractor ...
    2. DenZ
      DenZ April 20 2016 11: 14
      +3
      The new tank is good, but there are so many vehicles in the country that they simply don’t have a place yet
      There is a place for Armata. Without a doubt. There is always someone to sell old equipment to.
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  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 20 2016 10: 50
    +1
    Well, God forbid, not the last. It remains to wish the military trials of the new tank success.
  • kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 20 2016 10: 51
    0
    According to him, the Ministry of Defense is “satisfied with Armata, but is not yet seeking to force purchases.”

    What is it, damp, my friend?))
    1. VP
      VP April 20 2016 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: kirieeleyson
      What is it, damp, my friend?))

      A little expensive.
      MO budget reduced.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher April 20 2016 11: 11
      0
      Minusanul accidentally (touch screen), chesslovo, did not want to. crying
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 20 2016 10: 54
    +8
    For the break-in in the troops should be enough. Most likely they are scattered in different climatic zones. And a year or two they will be tormented. The next batch will go with improvements.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 20 2016 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      For the break-in in the troops should be enough. Most likely they are scattered in different climatic zones. And a year or two they will be tormented. The next batch will go with improvements.

      Good day, Denis.

      To the very point.
      Troop tests are ongoing.
      This party will both be tested and serve simultaneously.
      Good luck to the peasants.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat April 20 2016 10: 56
    +1
    Well ... with the initiative men ... drinks
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 April 20 2016 10: 56
    0
    Definitely happy.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 20 2016 10: 57
    +9
    Well, let's go to the series. Again, the bourgeoisie hysteria will begin, but I read and rejoice ... And Vaska eats and eats. We were not the first to start, and shake now, do not wake the bear, it will tear the fuck. Any taiga will say.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 20 2016 12: 34
      +1
      And Vaska listens and eats
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch April 20 2016 16: 46
        0
        Quote: KaPToC
        And Vaska listens and eats


        Yah ? Here is the revelation. It is written exactly what is written. Thank you for giving a furious link to I.A. Krylov, colleague.
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z April 20 2016 11: 00
    +2
    You really need to order with your head, and try to attach the T-72 to Asia and Africa at a decent price. And not in a simple way - to remelting or to a warehouse, to rot for decades.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 20 2016 17: 51
      0
      And what is wrong that they will stand in canned food? But on the day of full Pe there will be at least old, but formidable tanks at hand.
  • drunkram
    drunkram April 20 2016 11: 01
    +2
    The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."

    Rather, it is simply cheaper, otherwise they would speak for the T-90
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 20 2016 11: 03
    +8
    It is necessary to paint, so 100 to Scandinavia, 100 to the Balkans, 200 to Poland, 500 to Western Europe, one to the Baltic states, no offense, 3 to the Baltic states!
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall April 20 2016 11: 21
      +6
      However, you are a hypermilitarist! One in the Baltic states is already an excessive use of force.
    2. Suhov
      Suhov April 20 2016 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      no offense, 3 to the Baltic states!

      No, they can still be offended.
      But there is a solution.
      Collect all the tanks that you painted for Scandinavia, the Balkans, Poland and Western Europe, and send them along the same route through the Baltic states.
      Imagine a headline in a newspaper: a small but proud Baltic is preparing to repel an attack of 903 Russian tanks.
      Their Pride will be satisfied, you look a little and calm down ... smile
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 20 2016 17: 53
        0
        Start an attack and retreat ... Burn over the balts swollen from conceit and pride.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 20 2016 11: 12
    +1
    Quote: drunkram
    drunkram Today, 11:01 am New
    The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."
    Rather, it is simply cheaper, otherwise they would speak for the T-90

    Yes, very good, especially in the T-72B3 version, to tear off everything that stands for such a "modernization", but in general, we have these "seventy twos", like the flea barboska, so they think where to attach them.
  • activator
    activator April 20 2016 11: 15
    0
    The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."
    Why not t 62?
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  • demiurg
    demiurg April 20 2016 11: 23
    0
    Installation party. They are chasing in the troops, slightly corrected, and the t-14a will go into a large series in a large series.
    Interestingly, what did the 195 object look like if Armata is its simplified version?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 20 2016 11: 29
      +5

      Such picture walks on a network ...
      Naturally, you can only guess about the internal filling.
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  • Nix1986
    Nix1986 April 20 2016 11: 25
    +3
    Quote: XYZ
    You really need to order with your head, and try to attach the T-72 to Asia and Africa at a decent price. And not in a simple way - to remelting or to a warehouse, to rot for decades.

    We have long been asked to create a structure, similar to the one that sells decommissioned aircraft in the United States. Given the commissioning of new equipment, now we need to decommission quite large volumes of old equipment. And such a structure could centrally deal with the relocation of decommissioned equipment, first to restoration facilities, and then to the sales site. And buyers for such equipment would be found.
    Well, in addition, taking into account our realities, such a structure would need strict prosecutor's supervision for kickbacks and "excessive retraining of equipment to be written off, just to sell it."
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 20 2016 11: 27
    0
    The budget is not rubber. A brigade of such tanks is a horror for any enemy. Or scatter like shock companies to punch particularly stubborn.
  • viktorrymar
    viktorrymar April 20 2016 11: 29
    +1
    Hooray-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah !!!!!
    I was waiting for the parade last year, now I’ve waited for the series !!!
    GOOD FELLOWS !!!
  • Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 20 2016 11: 38
    +2
    With a start, dear comrades, 'but not much - Moscow was not built immediately!
  • PKK
    PKK April 20 2016 11: 39
    -4
    But is there a budget option for the DPR to be able to buy 500 pieces?
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 20 2016 11: 53
      0
      are you laughing? where did they get the money - only at our expense, and in this case the price does not play a role
    2. Siberian
      Siberian April 20 2016 11: 56
      -3
      For the DNI, it is necessary to put on test testing absolutely free of charge.
      1. insular
        insular April 21 2016 03: 40
        0
        Quote: Siberian
        For the DNI for test testing, you must put and completely free

        Quote: PKK
        is there a budget option that the DPR could buy 500 pieces?

        DNR-is it the Russian Federation? Why should we supply secret equipment to another state?
        For the needs of the DNI fresh T72 or T90 is not enough? No. fool

        Armata ONLY for the Russian Federation and the longer this tank will be exclusive only for the Russian Federation - the better.
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  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 20 2016 12: 08
    -1
    It’s a good thing, the trial batch was ordered, it remained to be tested in real combat conditions, naturally undercover and to make adjustments to the design so that it would not be excruciatingly painful.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw April 20 2016 12: 08
    0
    According to him, the Ministry of Defense is “satisfied with Armata, but is not yet seeking to force purchases.”

    The deputy minister noted that "the T-72 tank still possesses a good modernization potential."
    And rightly so, you need to save
  • mamont5
    mamont5 April 20 2016 12: 09
    0
    Quote: NAV-STAR
    So to think, and the general is right, perhaps such a beauty should be tempered, run in and then make up the backbone of the armored forces changing the previous generation of T-robots.

    This is a common thing. In fact, this hundred tanks are needed for advanced military tests. Based on their results, a decision will be made on mass production.
  • Vasili09
    Vasili09 April 20 2016 12: 10
    -1
    the cost of the tank is 250 million rubles, which was voiced by representatives of the Uralvagonzavod http://www.rbc.ru/business/15/09/2015/55f803ad9a79477dcebec447
    even if it’s 200 million, we multiply it by 100 .... 20 billion rubles, this year the military budget is 3 trillion with kopecks, and there is Syria that is planning to reduce our + by 5 percent, as I understand it, the deputy minister got very excited
  • Westet2
    Westet2 April 20 2016 12: 25
    +2
    Yes, what the hell are they to upgrade the T-72 and are going to buy it ??? Our Ministry of Defense will always send our warriors to the old trash ??? Okay, Armata may not be completed yet, it’s being finalized, but why buy this old trash no matter what it is upgraded. Where at least the T-90MS, which we are promoting for export? It would be better for us to upgrade all our nineties to the latest version, than to spend money on nothing !!! Tank 72 is good, but for its time, which is long gone !!!
    1. Forest
      Forest April 20 2016 14: 04
      +1
      You will find billions on the T-90AM, for the unit price of which you can equip the company 72-ek. We do not have an American budget, and then its USA is not enough for everything.
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 20 2016 12: 27
    0
    Quote: Wedmak

    Such picture walks on a network ...
    Naturally, you can only guess about the internal filling.


    Thanks :) But its internal layout is really interesting. And by the way, strange, 195 for some reason they didn’t take him to Kubinka, but this car is epoch-making.
  • question
    question April 20 2016 12: 30
    0
    Normally, it was said, 2 brigades for military trials. They will drive in the tail and mane!
    A sell-figs themselves have not played enough! Let them think for themselves, otherwise the Indians have already found a buyer for brahmos! Then the states will come up.
  • Sars
    Sars April 20 2016 12: 52
    +1
    A tank is not a Kalashnikov assault rifle, it must be properly operated and maintained, especially one like the T-14. Excessive rush can lead to the same story as with the T-62 and T-80, when the negative opinion strengthened about them in the troops.
  • Demeter
    Demeter April 20 2016 14: 10
    0
    And where is it 100 tanks, parade to drive across Red Square ?! 100 tanks, that would be good for Lithuania, but it is too small for Russia, with its borders that need to be protected!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2016 14: 22
      +1
      Most likely, 200 new tanks will be purchased per year - gradually replacing the T 72 and T 80 tanks removed from service.
      1. Demeter
        Demeter April 20 2016 15: 17
        0
        Here are 200 new T-14 tanks, it would not be bad anymore, and as for the T-72 and T-80, let them first replace the T-62, and then during the Second Chechen personnel of 160 and 93- go mechanized regiments fought on the T-62, T-62M, and maybe they are not alone ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 20 2016 18: 53
          0
          T 62 back in the 2014th with arms removed.
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 20 2016 14: 11
    0
    Soooo, the rookie starts running in. And it will be the most severe test for the car. I wonder where will the baptism be in the fighting then?
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 20 2016 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: Demeter
    And where is it 100 tanks, parade to drive across Red Square ?! 100 tanks, that would be good for Lithuania, but it is too small for Russia, with its borders that need to be protected!

    There are no levers in the tank, but really everything is like an airplane. And tankers for armata need to be trained as pilots. There are no training methods yet, no crews, no instructors for training crews, all the sores have not yet got out of the tank (there is no mileage, and there are no statistics) Where can they be molded in thousands now? At whose expense will then be the elimination of deficiencies in a large series?
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    2. Demeter
      Demeter April 20 2016 15: 28
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      Quote: Demeter
      And where is it 100 tanks, parade to drive across Red Square ?! 100 tanks, that would be good for Lithuania, but it is too small for Russia, with its borders that need to be protected!

      There are no levers in the tank, but really everything is like an airplane. And tankers for armata need to be trained as pilots. There are no training methods yet, no crews, no instructors for training crews, all the sores have not yet got out of the tank (there is no mileage, and there are no statistics) Where can they be molded in thousands now? At whose expense will then be the elimination of deficiencies in a large series?

      Well, if you think that the T-14 has not yet been brought to mind and they are raw, then it is better to continue testing the T-14, and for the Russian army to order more reliable and proven T-90MS `` Breakthrough '', in the design of which there are fewer new ones, structural elements that have not been tested properly ?! Order not T-72BM3, but 200 T-90MS Breakthrough!
  • alex80
    alex80 April 20 2016 14: 31
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    Quote: Forest
    T-72Б3 - modernization of existing 72-ek, the body remains, the filling and body kit is changing, and it’s very, very budgetary. T-14 simply cannot cost 3-4 million dollars. T-90A several years ago cost the army more than 4-5 million dollars, while the same Abrams cost about 8 million, which can be said about the more advanced T-90AM.

    Do you recall the dollar several years ago and now? Armata to max. a complete set now costs 350 million rubles, which at the current rate of 70 rubles. is 5 million dollars. In mass production, they promise
    lower price tag again for max. picking up to 300 million rubles, which will amount to just over 4 million dollars
    at the current rate. Do not forget that products are made in rubles when you consider the price in dollars! What kind of equipment or types of equipment will be delivered to the troops will be decided by the Ministry of Defense, hence the price may be different.
  • Verdun
    Verdun April 20 2016 14: 43
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    Quote: CERHJ
    Mr. Sienko is lying like a gray gelding. The price for him for the Russian Armed Forces is not even humane
    In the absence of competition in the domestic market (the Omsk plant, which produced the T-80 today is only a daughter of the Uralvagonozavod), I will not believe for any reason that the army receives tanks cheaply. They like to shout at us that they are selling - as to ourselves! But in reality it turns out to be somewhat different.
  • Westet2
    Westet2 April 21 2016 00: 53
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    And for me, on the armature, judging by the photo, there really is no armor on the tower. It really looks like a tin !!! I like it when the alleged pictures on the internet have not yet been released. Well, really there is no armor there !!!!!