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Bulgarian occupation of Serbia. Part of 1

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In modern Russian historiography, the issue of Serbia’s occupation by the Bulgarian army during the First World War has been rather poorly studied. The actions of the German invaders in Serbia, the destruction of civilians by Austro-Hungarian units are being studied. However, little has been written about the role of Bulgaria in these events. In this small article we attempted to briefly describe the actions of the Bulgarian units in Serbia and the position of the civilian population.


Before the First World War, Serbian-Bulgarian relations remained extremely tense. The reason for this was the unresolved issue of Macedonia and the Second Balkan War. Historical the region of Macedonia, populated by Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians, was an apple of discord between the Balkan countries. In the First Balkan War, where Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Greece together put an end to the hegemony of Turkey in the Balkans, most of Macedonia came under the control of Serbia. This was due to the great successes of the Serbian forces, which inflicted a number of serious defeats on the Turkish army. At the same time, the Bulgarians could not carry out the offensive at the appointed time and were stuck in the enemy’s defensive lines.

Considering the issue of the post-war partition of Macedonia, the Allies proposed to leave the Serb-occupied lands behind them, offering Bulgaria compensation of land at the Bosphorus and Dardanelles. However, Sofia made demands to transfer both Macedonia and the coast of the Sea of ​​Marmara, which caused a sharp rebuff from other members of the anti-Turkish coalition. To resolve this issue, yesterday’s allies agreed to hold talks in St. Petersburg.

Meanwhile, for Bulgaria, the consent to negotiations under the auspices of the Russian empire was simply a diversion. On the border with Serbia, troops were attacked, and on June 29 of the year 1913, without a declaration of war, the Bulgarians attacked Serbian positions. On the Serbian side, the border had minimal cover and for several days the army of the aggressor met with success. But when the main part of the Serbian army was involved in the battle, the situation changed dramatically. The Bulgarian units were defeated in a series of bloody battles, whole units were surrounded. And the 7-I Bulgarian division surrendered in full force near Veles.

Bulgarian occupation of Serbia. Part of 1


Greece and Montenegro entered the war on the side of Serbia, and Romania, taking advantage of the distraction of the Bulgarian army, invaded Bulgaria. The war was ended by the crushing defeat of Sophia. The country lost a significant part of the territories acquired in the First Balkan War.

The beginning of the First World War, Bulgaria met with anticipation. She did not join the Entente, but she did not show openly aggressive intentions addressed to its members. However, Serbia remembered the treacherous behavior of its neighbors, and the border with Bulgaria was forced to cover the army units, which were so desperately lacking in battles with Austro-Hungarians.

In 1915, the situation on the Balkan front began to take shape not in favor of the Serbs. They managed to win several battles against the Austro-Hungarian forces, but the arrival of fresh troops from Germany turned the tide. October 5 began a joint offensive forces of Austria-Hungary and Germany, which the Serbs could not stop. The army began to retreat, followed by columns of refugees moving south. On the night of 13 on 14 October, the fighting began Bulgaria. Serbian border detachments and an infantry division covering the border were opposed by several armies. After several days of fighting, the Bulgarians managed to break through the Serbian defense, and they began to develop an offensive in the direction of Nish and Skopje, and then in Kosovo and Metohija, where they were supported by Albanian rebels. The Serbian army was evacuated to Corfu, and the country was occupied by the forces of the Central Powers.

Serbian soldiers before the battle with the Bulgarians, October 1915


In fact, Bulgaria annexed the territories of Southern and Eastern Serbia. There were created two military administrative regions: the Moravian and Macedonian. The occupation of these lands in Bulgaria was regarded as "the return of the original Bulgarian territories", and the Serbs who lived there were proclaimed "Serbized Bulgarians". The main goal of the policy of Sofia in the captured parts of Serbia was "the eradication of everything Serbian." Bulgarian Prime Minister Vasil Radoslavov bluntly stated at one of the government meetings: "Serbia may reappear, Serbia may increase after the war, but there will be no Serbs in Serbia anymore."

Execution of civil Serbs by Bulgarian soldiers


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  1. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik April 21 2016 06: 31
    +14
    that's so Bulgarian "Brothers"! The article is a big plus, I would like to read more about the Balkan Wars, we are waiting!
    1. Angor
      Angor April 22 2016 03: 26
      +4
      The author of the article is lying, starting with the title, until the very end. Recently, in some circles in Russian villages, there have been claims that Russia is the heir to Byzantium. Therefore, they need to mix Bulgaria with dirt, because the Russian people received letters from the Bulgarians and writing and faith. The language is also very close, the same grammatical complex as Russian. History, this is not a "Talent Show"!
      Also do not forget! When the Ottoman Empire attacked Europe and took Constantinople, the Serbs fought on their side, the side of the Turks.
      Do you know that Tito (the leader of the Serbs at that time) did not really want to build a socialist society? So that he did not go to the "Western partners", Stalin cut off Macedonia from Bulgaria and gave Serbs. Therefore, Stalin could hardly bear Tito. Even after that The Serbs were the only ones from the Warsaw Pact who could freely walk in Europe (why were they so loved?). In those days, the trust in the Serbs was never enough. Therefore, then, Bulgaria was on the front line and not Yugoslavia.
      After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, the first thing that Western countries did was punish Yugoslavia for the deception and for the benefits that they used (they bombed and took away all the provinces that they were given to them, they joined the West) .Therefore, Europe is holding them outside the door today, and not they’re letting them cry on the Russian shoulder. But as soon as Europe opens the door, you will see how quickly the Serbs forget their eastern interests.
      I am not surprised that there are such articles, I am sure that they will appear again, but I get scared when I see how many people have forgotten how to think with their own heads.
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      2. SokolfromRussia
        April 22 2016 10: 57
        +1
        From the comments on this article from the Bulgarians, I collected a good quote book and translated it into Serbian. Your comment will take one of the first places in it. wink
    2. nedgen
      nedgen April 22 2016 14: 47
      +1
      Then you do not need Vadim Sokolov’s opuses - you’ll read the inveterate Bulgarianophobe, but search for the information yourself
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 22 2016 15: 25
        +1
        A Bulgarian said that he does not live in Bulgaria. Curiously, Bulgarians become patriots only outside Bulgaria, when they flee to the European Union wink ё
        1. but still
          but still April 22 2016 15: 50
          +1
          Vadim, you write here on behalf of the Serbs (and in Serbian too), and you yourself are in Russia ... What are you clinging to a guy? Studying guy in the UK, probably. By the way, Bulgarians from even the poorest segments of the population can afford to study in England - the opportunities and standard of living of Bulgarians are improving every day smile
    3. pytar
      pytar April 25 2016 10: 02
      +3
      For some reason, "Russofilskaya" Serbia made a choice in the elections on April 24.04.2016, XNUMX ... "In the early parliamentary elections in Serbia, the ruling Serbian Progressive Party of Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic, which stands for the accelerated integration of the country into the European Union, confidently wins."
  2. Mik13
    Mik13 April 21 2016 06: 54
    +2
    I put a minus in the article for an unreliable statement of facts, which, given the context, looks like an intentional default:
    Greece and Montenegro entered the war on the side of Serbia, and Romania, taking advantage of the distraction of the Bulgarian army, invaded Bulgaria. The war was ended by the crushing defeat of Sophia. The country lost a significant part of the territories acquired in the First Balkan War.

    For some reason, the Ottoman Empire is missing from this list of allies of Serbia.
    Considering that the Ottomans at that time in the Balkans were an absolute evil for the Slavs, attracting them as allies looks extremely controversial. And to consider further actions of Bulgaria (including the choice of allies in WWI) should also take into account these "cute Serbian pranks"
    For example, if the Great Patriotic War ended in 1944 by a truce, and the USSR limited itself to the liberation of Poland, without bringing Germany to surrender. And after, after 3 of the year, in a petty territorial dispute with socialist Poland, it would have recaptured Nazi Germany to its side. Surrealism? But that is how Turkey’s participation in the Second Balkan on the side of Serbia should be understood.

    The author either does not have the necessary competence to write historical articles, or lies.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik April 21 2016 07: 11
      +20
      just finding Bulgaria in an alliance against Russia, and in both world wars, looks also ambiguous! and Turkey was their allies too!
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 April 21 2016 07: 58
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        just finding Bulgaria in an alliance against Russia, and in both world wars, looks also ambiguous! and Turkey was their allies too!

        This is undoubtedly a sufficient justification for such "inaccuracies" in a historical article.

        I do not condone Bulgaria and do not blame Serbia.
        I am extremely disappointed with attempts to "forget" some "inconvenient" historical facts for the sake of the current political situation. For some reason, I associate this behavior with prostitution ...
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik April 21 2016 08: 26
          +8
          in general, I, too, do not condone not Serbia, not Bulgaria! well, that Bulgaria was twice on the side of the opponents of Russia is a fact! In WWII, the Bulgarian soldiers did not shoot at the Russians, but shot at the partisans in Yugoslavia. Yes, and in the WWI on the Thessaloniki Front, they fought against the Russian expeditionary team without much enthusiasm. And these are facts, too, and you can’t get away from this!
          1. nedgen
            nedgen April 22 2016 01: 31
            +8
            Well, to be honest, they did not shoot at the partisans in all of Yugoslavia, but specifically in Macedonia. And it may seem strange to you, but the Bulgarian "occupation" troops in Macedonia were greeted with bread and salt. And it is very interesting what the Serbian authorities had to do in Macedonia so that in fact there were no local partisans in Macedonia? All were coming from Serbia and the "Macedonians" reported on them to the Bulgarian authorities. So there is nothing to do with the Serbian guerrilla saints. And the fact that the modern Bulgarian authorities are, to put it mildly, s ... and and b ... and I myself know much better than you and not by hearsay. But did you choose Borka or Marked one ??? Bulgaria is officially a democracy, but to be honest, the situation in the country is not much different from the African colonies before the First World War. Why explain to you. You yourself probably remember the 90s in Russia, when the amersky ambassador gave orders to Borka and co in almost direct text. And with us this happens here and now all the time. And about the people of the so-called. Elita remembers only before the elections. And the turnout itself in the elections is somewhere on the order of 30% (in fact, even less) should speak for itself.
            1. alatanas
              alatanas April 22 2016 11: 06
              +3
              +++ So it really is!
            2. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 27 December 2016 08: 03
              0
              so the troops of Soviet Russia also met with flowers many countries of Europe! and now we are invaders for them hi
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          3. Angor
            Angor April 22 2016 03: 54
            +4
            Rostkovsky compared the behavior of Serbs and Bulgarians in the current situation: “In contrast to the Bulgarians, who point to the need to take radical measures as soon as possible to introduce order in Macedonia, the Serbs, on the contrary, are trying to prove that everything is safe in the country and the population does not need any reforms. This behavior of the Serbs is explained by the fact that at present their followers are still so small in the Bitol vilayet that if autonomy is introduced, their nationality will not be taken into account, and therefore they wish to postpone the resolution of the issue for 10-15 years in the hope that by that time their propaganda, if not completely supplant the Bulgarian one, will at least be so strong that they will be able to claim dominance here. "
        2. Turkir
          Turkir April 21 2016 09: 31
          +6
          1913, March The assassination of the Greek king George.
          1913, June-August The 2nd Balkan War of Bulgaria against Greece, Serbia and Montenegro, to which Romania and Turkey joined. It ended with the defeat of Bulgaria, which under the Bucharest Peace Treaty of 1913 ceded Romania Southern Dobrudja, Greece Southern Macedonia and part of Western Thrace, Serbia almost all of Northern Macedonia.
          ---------
          Ferdinand I Maximilian Karl Maria Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - King of Bulgaria.
          Ferdinand I claimed the hegemony of Bulgaria in the Balkans, considering it the main contender for the European inheritance of the Ottoman Empire, while relying on the support of the German Empire. In 1908, he proclaimed complete independence from Turkey and adopted the imperial instead of the princely title (it is also translated as “king of Bulgaria” into Western European languages). In 1912-1913, following the First Balkan War, Bulgaria received from Turkey a significant part of Thrace with Edirne and, in fact, a huge part of Macedonia with access to the Aegean Sea. However, in the same 1913, due to the unresolved issue with the partition of Macedonia, Ferdinand unleashed a war against the former allies of Serbia and Greece (Second Balkan War), in which Bulgaria suffered a crushing defeat and was even forced to return part of the land, including the Edirne region included in the war of Turkey.
          In 1915, Bulgaria took the side of Germany in World War I (and this time in alliance with Turkey), hoping once again to change the situation in the Balkans in its favor.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero April 21 2016 08: 00
      +4
      You are absolutely right. The roots of mutual hostility have been growing since 1885, when the principality of Bulgaria and the so-called vassal of Turkey were united. Eastern Rumelia (realizing the southern part of Bulgaria). Then the Serbian troops stabbed us in the back; the main part of the Bulgarian army, for obvious reasons, was concentrated on the Turkish border and there were practically no troops in the west. Nevertheless, those few units managed to delay the advance of the Serbs to Sofia, gaining a couple of days to move reinforcements from the Turkish border by march. Then the Serbs were defeated and turned back so much that Austria-Hungary threatened us with war.
      By the way, the actions of the Serbs against the Bulgarian population in Macedonia since 1913, including the period after the Second World War, did not differ much from the actions of the Turks and completely fall under the definitions of genocide and assimilation.
      1. Wolf
        Wolf April 21 2016 13: 08
        +1
        How many percent of the Bulgars beat in Macedoniaј and 1885? SHOPI not Bulgari, asimilatsia beat Ali SHOPOV on the side of Habsburg !!! Shopi beat in the territory all the north-western Bulgaria and UTB Serbian ethnos! And today, Shopi have both Hesik and folklore and common things, which are revered by the Srbske of the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th centuries! Serbian Korљ Milutin is buried in Sofia in the Church of the Light of the Week! and Sveti Sava beat buried in Trnov from the beginning! All northwestern Bulgaria has historically belonged to the Serbs! ;)
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 21 2016 13: 17
          -3
          Today's history is more like a political pamphlet than a TRUTH OF CHRONICLES! the nada will say yes to Tsarigrad beat the territory over which Serbs ruled Korony dynastia Nemaњiћa, Kraљ Milutin Tsar Dushan and so on .... When the Habsburgs arrived in the Balkan (this is the Turkish word for grief), he began to make the discovery of Bulgari so Shopi started the battle of Bulgaria in the 19th century! What kind of Bulgarim can be defeated in Macedonia when Tsar Dushan presti beat the city SKOPЉE in the center of Macedonia! Eto kao kada bi said Swedish or Finnish Novgorod! ;)
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 21 2016 13: 24
            0
            BIBLIOGRAPHIC CARTOON SUBMISSIONS:

            Naslov: EUROPE, DISTRIBUTION OF PEOPLES IN LANGUAGES AND TRIBES.
            Calling the atlas: THE NEW TABLE ATLAS OF A.F. MARX.
            Autor: A.F. Marx
            Godina Publisher: 1905.
            Place from: Saint Petersburg
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 21 2016 13: 29
              -3
              TURKEY AT BUGARSKII = Ј UNINES ISTINSKY BUGARI

              DANASHЊI "BUGARI" = SRBI KOЈI SU U IN THE 19. CENTURY THE NODES THAT THE POLITICAL IS THERE!

              Јosh Gedan at the bottom is proof of historical truth, but you must unite the rights of the descendants of the Old Man of Bugar with the right of the Turkish Turkey, јeste and the Russian ethnographic map from 1905. Godina (ON SLITZI) which is BOGARSKE TURKE (which lives at Dobruјıјi NaЗimi Naезimi NaезiЗiЗiимiимiЗiЗi иi and иезМАМА НА НА М и и и и и и и и и и и и и) and they are, let’s say, closer than the dreamer of kao Tatare.

              What do you mean?

              That means yes su danashi Bulgarian, Turkey is neither more nor better than you. TATARI is PRABUGARI, the tribal people of Kose in the Balkans before from Stare Veliky Bulgaria or Volshka Bulgaria (Bulgaria on the Volga) 681. year.

              Ovi Bugari, one of Turkey, su under the rule of the Svog Kan (knes) Asparuh subjugated the tribes of the Danashko Bulgarian.

              It is INTO a hint of a historically falsified e that yes, the Bugari drowned at the "Slovene" (pitamo se, who is Slovenia?). The veneration of an essay on the page, inspired by some of the Middle Ages list, written by the hand of the Engle and Tur chronicles of the 13th century, proved even that it is not clear.

              Sredњvekovovna Bulgaria didn’t function as kao minorkrati - the people of Bulgaria, Bugari (Turkey), sovereign of the vein people - Srbima!

              Ako zanimarimo time oslobaђaњe Srba danashњe Bugarske od Bugarskog / Turskog / Tatar Karma, at the time of Tsar Dushan, grabbed da su Pravi Bugari, then јest Turtsi Tatari kao takvi daughtered the service of the Turski invaskeјiiloki, and his own seman staved But ne Bugarska taco brzo "fell" under Turk - it fell below, it remained under Turtsim, Er su and the Nosiotsi themselves beat Turtsi in the Middle Ages of Bugarsk!

              Kosh Gedan dokov at the ovome јeste tеtј тоtogo Turkey’s dialect is different from ј иком иком од од Т Т из из из из Тур Тур Тур Тур Тур Тур Тур Тур и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и и Тур доказ доказ доказ доказ доказ доказ. Well, it’s something like this, but by no means did Su Turzi live on lucky, unreserved territory that had one of Dunava’s estates, Dobro ,e, Meziјe and Trakıe, going to Tsarigrad, and even from Little Asia? That is, however, that Sot Sugar Turkish came to Bulgaria near the 7th century, and Osmanski Turzi came to 14. Yes su Pravi Bugari, aka Bulgarian Turzi, came to the Cad and the Anadolian Turtsi, they said, we’ll be able to distinguish the same Hezik, or the Pak Hezik, which икаézika Turaka u Turskoј.

              Srpski people near Bugarskoј, poured under the Turks army CHAK 12 CENTURY (from the 7th to the 20th century), not picking up their own Srpsk lost, if we do good deeds for the post of "raka" and "risјani" - Srbi sa lied to a weak folk / national svesћu. At the baroku, I am writing to the history of the history of Bugar Ragi иa and Paјsiилa Khilandarca, dobri dobim nameram, the stvaraјu right to the sinner at the grasp of the history of Bugar, and mix the Middle Ages Bugarsk and Bugar-Tatarnos, Sauno Srmaenos, Sahma-Slovenian. Nakon Frantsuske Revolutsije, in the period of romanticism of the 19th century, between the Slovene (Srpsky) birthplace of Bugarske јavљa sezheљa and all details, teach a lesson about the history of the Middle Ages of Bugarian rustiness. Tadashњa intelligentsia tog srpskog kraa, carried by the woman for the osloboлобe od of Turak (RIGHT BUGAR!) "Obnavљa" (exaggerated) to the Bugarsk nationalnu svest, by the tim and the uzima Bugarsko name! Ovo it is the only case in the history of the hovering and the drinking of the people of the Uzim culturally inherited from the people!

              Nadamo se yes ћe the science of becoming on the way unscientific falsifikatima, yes ћe se obachunati sa enim promoterima, and yes ћe our braћa is Srbi from Bugarskoј, which is given by the game of non-modern cases, I call my brother њima tuђene јed by the name "Bugari Srba from Srbije and the western Srpski land, and yes, Moe, some will have, in fear of the time, to grab a fortune for the day, under one roof!
              1. dzvero
                dzvero April 21 2016 17: 55
                +6
                You have a map of the ethnic composition of the Balkans for 1847 ...
              2. alatanas
                alatanas April 21 2016 20: 20
                +8
                I would translate it into Russian, the site is still Russian. What Byzantine historian even said a word about the "Spp people among the Bugar"?
                This is Serbian propaganda of the times of N. Pasic
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        3. alatanas
          alatanas April 22 2016 11: 22
          +1
          Shopi heirs of settled Cumans. Belgrade was founded by the Bulgarians when the Serbs did not yet have a state.
          Go to the shops and call them Serbs - they will beat you.
    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander April 21 2016 09: 14
      +20
      Quote: Mik13
      I put a minus article. In this list allies Serbia for some reason is missing the Ottoman Empire. Given that the Ottomans at that time in the Balkans were for the Slavs absolute evil, attracting them as allies looks like an extremely mixed act

      Article plus. Allies of Serbia were only Greece and Montenegro. Ottoman Empire was not an ally of Serbia and had no agreements with it. Turks, like Romanians attacked Bulgaria only in two weeks after the start of the aggression of Bulgaria against Greece and Serbia. And only then they attacked when the Bulgarian army was already defeated by the Greeks and Serbs and retreated from the occupied territories, the Turks solved their problems.
      And what does Serbia have to do with it, how could it prevent Turkey from fighting with Bulgaria if Bulgaria itself had earlier attacked Serbia? belay Before attacking its neighbors, Bulgaria had to THINK about its southern and eastern "friendly" neighbors - the war on two fronts was obvious. An excellent opportunity was not used to resolve the problems in St. Petersburg during the negotiations.
      Turkey did NOT even participate in the 1913 Bucharest peace treaty between Bulgaria and Serbia, Greece, Montenegro, Romania, but concluded its own, separate from Bulgaria in Constantinople.
      But in WWI it was Bulgaria that was a conscious ally of the "absolute evil for the Slavs" Turkey and another no less evil - A. Hungary and Germany. For which she paid with the loss of territories in WWI and WWII.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 10: 09
        +4
        Thank! Yes, you are right, as there was not even diplomatic contacts between Serbia and Turkey, the purpose of which would be an anti-Bulgarian coalition.
        And it is important to remember that this Bulgaria attacked Serbia, which formally remained its ally ...
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    5. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 10: 08
      +2
      I'm afraid that you do not have the competence even to write comments. Turkey was not an ally, but used the situation to attempt a rematch. And, of course, there were no agreements between Belgrade and Istanbul on joint actions against Bulgaria.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 April 21 2016 10: 27
        +2
        Quote: SokolfromRussia
        I'm afraid that you do not have the competence even to write comments. Turkey was not an ally, but used the situation to attempt a rematch. And, of course, there were no agreements between Belgrade and Istanbul on joint actions against Bulgaria.

        I didn’t understand something ...
        Turkey participated in the war? - Definitely yes.
        Did you mention this in the article? - Not.

        The context of participation and its interpretation is a topic for the article.
        But the silence about the fact of participation raises legitimate questions.

        You did not know about this? - learn history, but do not write articles ...
        Did you keep silence intentionally? - then this is falsification, as it were.

        So why didn't you mention Turkey?
        1. SokolfromRussia
          April 21 2016 10: 35
          +3
          For a banal reason - the participation of Turkey was not a war. The Turks occupied the territories that the Bulgarians had previously held for a couple of days. Turkey was not an ally, did not have any contacts and in this situation was a minor factor in general.

          But your persistent desire to put her official ally of Serbia causes suspicion of your extreme prejudice. You do not know such a banal fact, but advise me to learn history? How brave you are.
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 April 21 2016 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: SokolfromRussia
            For a banal reason - the participation of Turkey was not a war. The Turks occupied the territories that the Bulgarians had previously held for a couple of days. Turkey was not an ally, did not have any contacts and in this situation was a minor factor in general.

            It's fine..

            Dear you consciously did not mention one of the participants in the conflict.
            The difference in the participation of Romania and Turkey is that Romania became involved in the conflict for 2 days later Turkey and signed a common Bucharest treaty.
            Moreover, the participation of Romania was even less a war - but you mentioned Romania ...

            This is called falsification if you are not in the know. And you admit it so easily ...

            Quote: SokolfromRussia
            But your persistent desire to put her official ally of Serbia causes suspicion of your extreme prejudice. You do not know such a banal fact, but advise me to learn history? How brave you are.
            Write more - you reveal your motivation so clearly that I have nothing to add.
            Where did I write something about official an ally?
            Moreover, I understand that you do not deny the "unofficial" alliance? OK.

            As for prejudice - dear, do not attribute to me your own motives. There are historical facts. The interpretation of facts may be different - but ignoring the facts is falsification.
            Moreover, in your comments you wrote enough to understand that this falsification is conscious.

            Actually, I think that further discussion does not make sense - for obvious reasons.
            I hope for the lack of continuation. Without respect, of course.
            1. SokolfromRussia
              April 21 2016 11: 05
              +2
              I repeat, Turkey did not fight and did not play any role. The Turkish factor is now being blown up by Bulgarian historians, but its real value is an order of magnitude lower than it is attributed.
              Romania also struck at the very heart of the enemy - in its capital. Therefore, I considered it necessary to mention it.

              I will ignore your accusations. By writing about the "ally" and even more so "his involvement" you made a gross mistake and no attempt to interpret your words otherwise will change this. Turkey was not an ally. And she was not involved at all by anyone, acting solely on her own initiative. Even other commentators have pointed this out to you.
              All the best.
              1. nedgen
                nedgen April 22 2016 00: 15
                +6
                Sorry Vadim, but to put it mildly, you do not know the whole prehistory of this war and its course, too. One very big inaccuracy is that I am quoting "the Bulgarian troops were defeated by the Greeks," but according to my data it was exactly the opposite. The Greek army suffered a terrible defeat in the Kresno defile and, in fact, there was no one in front of the Bulgarian army on the road to Solun. In addition, on May 19, Serbia and Greece signed a secret treaty against Bulgaria. (The war started on June 16 !!!) But before this, for at least a month, if not two, preparations were being made to sign this agreement. In addition, it is very interesting if the WHOLE DIZIVIA (7th) in full force surrendered to the Serbs !!! then where is her battle banner? It should have remained with the Serbs, but there are no Bulgarian military flags in any museum in the world, and in a division there should be at least 4 - 3 regimental and one divisional. So it is highly doubtful that this division surrendered. In addition, the Serbian army was in readiness since the Serbian king a few weeks before June 16 signed a manifesto declaring war on Bulgaria, but no date.
                Another VERY great inaccuracy of the material is that the course of the first Balkan war was reflected extremely eloquently and biased. If the entire Serbian army, with the exclusion of several divisions, occupied Macedonia (where, in general, second and third-rate Turkish units were located) together with Greece, then the bulk of the Bulgarian Army with 3 armies advanced in eastern Thrace. Only one and it was the seventh division, together with the Greeks, that acted in the Solunian direction, and NOT ONE Bulgarian soldier participated in the attack on Macedonia ANY ONE. So the Bulgarian army simply could not be shot in the defense of the Turkish army in Macedonia because it simply was not there. Another 2nd division operated in the Western Rhodopes and the White Sea Thrace. And that’s all. In addition, the 7th division was included organizationally in the second allied army under the command of the Serbian general Step Stepanovich, although it was based on the territory of Bulgaria. And about the capture of the 7th Rila infantry diziii laughing . How could she be captivated if after January 26th she actually was in eastern Thrace near Boulair and did not take part in the war with the Serbs and Greeks. Due to the large losses incurred in battles and because of the cold (due to the lack of warm clothes and fuel, I lost more than 3000 people who were sick and frostbite). Somewhere in March April 1913, the division was demobilized. AND WHERE HERE is the captivity in its entirety ??? And the fact that Ferdinand ... would agree to all 100. Although there is not a word about articles.
    6. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh April 21 2016 12: 47
      -2
      Mik13 (2) novaru Today, 06:54
      For some reason, the Ottoman Empire is missing from this list of allies of Serbia.
      Considering the fact that the Ottomans at that time in the Balkans were an absolute evil for the Slavs, attracting them as allies seems to be an extremely mixed act. And to consider further actions of Bulgaria (including the choice of allies in WWI) should also take into account these "cute Serbian pranks"


      In World War II, we also had striped allies and Great Shaves, who during the civilian period tore us apart, burned villages, and killed civilians ... And what? It was necessary to send them and to grumble against Hitler alone?
      Any ally is good against your enemy. No wonder it says - the enemy of my enemy, my friend.
  3. V.ic
    V.ic April 21 2016 07: 15
    +11
    The rottenness of the Bulgarian leadership has always manifested itself. The whole history of Bulgaria from the 80s of the 19th century to the present = illustration of this deplorable fact.
    1. baudolino
      baudolino April 21 2016 08: 01
      +4
      Nodding to the leadership is stupid. The betrayal will not last a hundred years without the will of the people. At school we were imposed on the idea of ​​"eternal gratitude of the Bulgarians". And nothing was mentioned about the murky Balkan politics. In 1878 Russia liberated the Slavs and in 1914 did not give offense. And that's all. And how the brothers of Russia crap - these are excesses, and it is better to forget about them.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 21 2016 11: 39
        +6
        Quote: baudolino
        Nodding at the manual is stupid.

        Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin were good leaders in your opinion? And "nod" / or rather spit / should not be?
      2. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 00: 47
        +5
        It is interesting baudolino, where in the world have you seen at least ONE DEMOCRACY ??? As for the betrayal of the Bulgarians in relation to Russia and the USSR. Have you ever looked at the history of relationships? At least once so out of curiosity? Hardly. Now in Russia, the thesis about the betrayals of the Bulgarians is being circulated, we also have a legend that the Russian Empire requested 32 tons of gold from Bulgaria for liberation from the Turks. In general, someone is trying very serially to drive a wedge between the Russian and Bulgarian peoples. If you would like to, I can give you a short course on mutual relations between Bulgaria and Russia (USSR) over the past 120-150 years, not missing anything or almost nothing (I don’t know everything), but at least I have information on the main events, but you hardly. Sorry if not so, but you can say quite a lot about the betrayal of Russia by Bulgaria. But I'm not saying that the Russians betrayed us !!! Betrayals always have names.
    2. nedgen
      nedgen April 22 2016 01: 02
      +4
      But regarding the rottenness of the leadership, I fully agree with one exception. The period from 1945 to 1989
  4. parusnik
    parusnik April 21 2016 07: 17
    +8
    SchA, they’ll attack, they’ll call the article Bulgarian-Phobian .... And in Soviet times, little was written about it .. very little work ... In principle, it’s true, they forged Slavic friendship ..
  5. timyr
    timyr April 21 2016 07: 32
    +6
    The author is completely off topic. White fluffy Serbs and Greeks got it for nothing. Learn the story, ask what the San Stefano Treaty and the Berlin Treaty are, take a look at the history of the first Balkan War, and then write.
    1. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon April 21 2016 20: 20
      +1
      Those. from the point of view of the Bulgarians, it was the Serbs who pressed on Russia so that Bulgaria would receive reduced territory and reduced independence ..?! For what did the Greeks and Serbs get WHAT? Speak more clearly ...
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 20: 57
        0
        Exactly. In addition, as a result, it was the Bulgarians who lost Macedonia and access to the Aegean Sea.
        1. nedgen
          nedgen April 22 2016 01: 00
          +5
          Sorry, Vadim, but as I wrote above you have a LOT of inaccuracies. First, the 1913 war began on June 16 and not on the 29th. In addition, Bulgaria lost as a result of the war of 1913, was deprived of Vardar Macedonia and not the entire White Sea Trakia, but only a part. We were deprived of the entire White Sea Trakia as a result of the First World War, but the Russian Empire deprived us of northern Dobrudja (it gave it to Romania at the expense of Bessarabia (now Moldova) and participation in the war of 1878-79). And that I should hate Russians because of this ??? And also Romania stole Southern Dobrudja as a result of the 1913 war between, however, with the consent of the Russian Empire. We got it back in 1939 thanks to the USSR and Germany (specifically, Stalin is “to blame” for which he bows to the ground).
          1. skeptic31
            skeptic31 April 22 2016 01: 55
            -3
            Sorry, I didn’t understand who fought against whom in the 1st World War. Did the Bulgarians fight against the Germans and Turks, but they were captured and punished as a result of the war? Or maybe everything is exactly the opposite? And yet, what difference does the Bulgarians fight directly with Russia or only with its allies. So there is nothing to boast about. And they punished Bulgaria quite rightly. And your connection between the transfer of Bessarabia to Russia and Northern Dobruja, which was never Bulgarian, Romania, following the results of the Russian-Turkish war, only once again shows the course of your reasoning and their objectivity. And another question, why the hell did we generally fight with the Turks for the freedom of Bulgaria? Incidentally, more than 100000 Russians were killed for this.
            1. nedgen
              nedgen April 22 2016 15: 25
              +4
              Yes, did I say that Bulgaria fought in the WWII on the side of Russia? I show inaccuracies and outright lies in the articles of Vadim Sokolov. And whose was Northern Dobrudja from (officially) 681 to 1878 ??? Really Dacian? or all the same, the Ottoman Empire was included only after the fall of Bulgaria under the Turks. And it was there until 1878 when the Russian Empire I REPEAT FOR THOSE WHO IN TANK gave Romania in compensation for Moldova and Romania's participation in the war of 1877-1878. And the population was 90% Bulgarian. If you do not believe, dig yourself into the prehistory of war. Or you have IMHO. If so writing is useless. As for the loss of the Russian army, they: 11 905 were killed on the Danube front and on the Caucasus 3662, and 6824 died from wounds, 57 652 were wounded, and even together they do not reach 100 000. Although, to be honest, this is also a lot. Most of the dead fell during the mediocre assault on Plevna. About the ingratitude of the Bulgarians is one thing, and the count of corruption is the so-called Bulgarian elite is completely different. And (USSR) Russia was punished for scho in 1990 or Russia in 1918? Your fathers grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought for the whole world in 1941-1945 and now you are called occupiers. Is this fair? So we were punished for the fact that the Bulgarians fought for San Stefan Bulgaria in 1912 and 1915. As you are being punished now for the return of Crimea to Russia, although some bastards insist that they should be returned to Kraina or even to the Tatars.
  6. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 21 2016 07: 38
    +8
    There are many events that were not covered or hushed up. The article is an incentive to start reading on your own. Moreover, these are Slavs and "brothers".
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 21 2016 07: 52
      +4
      "All the Balkans are not worth the life of one Russian soldier!" This phrase is attributed to Emperor Alexander III (Peacemaker). And I agree with him. During WWII, Bulgarian soldiers did not shoot at the Russians, but they did shoot at the partisans in Yugoslavia. And in WWI on the Thessaloniki front they fought against the Russian expeditionary brigade without much enthusiasm. I have nothing against ordinary Bulgarians, but the Bulgarian leadership in its service to NATO & USA has long exceeded Todor Zhivkov's level of loyalty to the USSR.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 10: 15
        0
        A little known fact, but the Bulgarians fought against the Russians on the Salonika front. The allied command specifically used the Russian brigade against the Bulgarians, hoping that they would not shoot at the Russians. Meanwhile, the expected effect was not at all, the Bulgarians knew who opposed them and did not make any concessions to their liberators, they fought with great bitterness.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander April 21 2016 11: 39
          +2
          Quote: SokolfromRussia
          A little-known fact, however, the Bulgarians fought against the Russians on the Thessaloniki front


          These are generally trifles. They seriously fought against the Russian troops on the Romanian front in the 1915 year side by side with their new friends and alliesthe Turks
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander April 21 2016 11: 39
          -1
          Quote: SokolfromRussia
          A little-known fact, however, the Bulgarians fought against the Russians on the Thessaloniki front


          These are generally trifles. They seriously fought against the Russian troops on the Romanian front in the 1915 year side by side with their new friends and allies .... the Turks
        3. nedgen
          nedgen April 22 2016 01: 15
          +5
          It is rather the Russians fought against the Bulgarians laughing . Indeed, in 1915 there was no common front between the Russian Empire and Bulgaria and there wouldn’t be if some circles in Romania and in St. Petersburg laughing . Little known fact. The Bulgarian Army in 1915 stopped in general terms on the borders of the Bulgarian territories that were supposed to withdraw to it in 1912. The same thing happened in 1916. After the defeat of the Romanian army and the Russian units supporting them in southern Dobrudja, the 3rd Bulgarian army continued the offensive in northern Dobrudja and when it reached the Russian units it stopped and stood there until the Russian Empire left the war. In fact, we fought for the liberation of our original territory. And not against Russia. And frankly, when you are attacked through the scope it is not visible who is attacking you. But the Russian team in Thessaloniki fought for lemongrass and paddling.
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          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander April 22 2016 06: 24
            -4
            Quote: nedgen
            It is rather the Russians fought against the Bulgarians. Indeed, in the 1915 year, a common front between the Russian Empire and Bulgaria would not exist and would not exist if some circles in Romania and in St. Petersburg. Little known fact. The Bulgarian Army in the 1915 year stopped in general terms on the borders of the Bulgarian territories


            It was the Bulgarians who invaded Romania, and not vice versa, thereby engaging in a battle against the Russians, it was the Bulgarians who captured Bucharest (the "original" territory of the Bulgarians, yeah lol), these are the Bulgarians in the Danube army who fought against the Russians shoulder to shoulder with the Turks.

            In both world wars, Bulgaria solved its problems (even the most just ones, from their point of view), in alliance with the DEVIL-Turkey and Fascism. And this is not forgiven and rightly punished by the territories. Cut off, punished and Bulgaria did not even utter a whimper.
            PS
            Russians fought against the Bulgarians

            He writes "Russians" with a small letter and with one "s", Bulgarians - with a capital letter. This is generally .... On the contrary, dear, on the contrary!
            1. nedgen
              nedgen April 22 2016 16: 15
              +6
              Well, you probably won’t deny that Bulgaria attacked Romania in 1916 in South Dobrogea, which Romania occupied with the same name in 1913, and also was going to hit Bulgaria in the back, just as in 1913 it didn’t work out hi excuse me, wink Yes, we took Bucharest, BUT you also almost took Sofia in 1913, and it is also a native Romanian territory, right? After all, it was founded by the Romans on the territory of the trucks, and you see the ancestors of the Romanians, the trucks and Dacians, as well as Odessa is also the Romanian territory. So after all, taking the capital of an opposing state is a normal practice during the war. And after the capture of Bucharest and the parade of victory in it, the Bulgarian army returned after the Danube, and the Romanians did not in 1913. As for the devil of Turkey - I agree to all 100, they are doing the same thing now, but that did not stop the USSR from saving Turkey from destruction in the 20s and despite many centuries of war. And during the Napoleonic wars, the Russians fought shoulder to shoulder with the Turks. Take Corfu for example. So Russia, too, until recently, helped the devil hi
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander April 22 2016 22: 09
                -1
                Quote: nedgen


                Well, you probably won’t deny that Bulgaria attacked Romania in the 1916 year in South Dobrudja, which Romania occupied in the 1913 year, and was also going to hit Bulgaria in the back as well as in the 1913 year, but it didn’t work, sorry, we took Bucharest, BUT you also almost Sophia was taken in the 1913 year and she is also a primordial Romanian territory, right? After all, it’s founded the Romans to the territory of the trucks, and the trucks and Dacians you see the ancestors of the Romanians, as well as Odessa, too, the Romanian territory

                Some kind of prehistoric mess has gone.
                AGAIN:
                It Bulgarians invaded Romania, and not vice versa, thereby engaging in battle against the Russians, it was the Bulgarians who seized Bucharest (the "primordial" territory of the Bulgarians, yeah lol), the Bulgarians, as part of the Danube army, fought against the Russians shoulder to shoulder with the Turks.

                In both world wars, Bulgaria solved its problems (albeit the most, from their point of view fair) in alliance with the Devil-Turkey and fascism


                And you, with your word stream about Prehistory, DO NOT REFUTE this, you simply have NOTHING to say.
                You with their KILLERS shoulder to shoulder fought against RUSSIANthat they gave you A LIFE and against the Entente.
                For which they were severely punished territorially and rightly. And, interestingly, even did not rock the boat
                If the Bulgarians had not saved Russia in 1978, then they would have been carved in 1915-1922, like Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians and others. And 24 of April would be not only the Day of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide, but also the Day of Remembrance of the Bulgarian Genocide.
                EVERYONE whom Russia did not manage to save were CUT TO.
                Do not remember? Do not want to understand? It can be seen.
          3. SokolfromRussia
            April 22 2016 10: 24
            -2
            In 1915 Bulgaria occupied Kosovo. It also supposedly had to move Bulgaria? Another storyteller ...
            1. nedgen
              nedgen April 22 2016 15: 28
              +1
              No more than you dear hi
      2. What a
        What a April 21 2016 11: 39
        -3
        What kind of people is the government and do not need to separate them from each other as politicians do for any benefit.
        1. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh April 21 2016 12: 59
          +1
          Che for RU Today, 11:39 ↑
          What people such is the government and it is not necessary to separate them from each other as politicians do for the sake of any benefit.

          Well, people don’t have to roll a barrel ... This category is not unique ... A vivid example is Poland and the so-called Ukraine, and the latter are generally Russian (as they would not call themselves). Some fought against us all our lives, but we saved them from destruction under Hitler, and where is gratitude? I’m silent about the second ones ... And the people, both there and there, remember and keep gratitude.
          So (in my personal opinion) Bulgaria is the second Poland, only acts out of the blue ... All the rulers are missing something ...
        2. dzvero
          dzvero April 21 2016 17: 16
          +7
          Then it turns out that it is not necessary to separate the Russians from Gobachev and his successor EBN ... with which I fundamentally disagree.
          PS just saw similar comments
  7. Kenneth
    Kenneth April 21 2016 07: 44
    0
    Bulgaria surprisingly resembles a jackal Shaki from Mowgli.
    1. KLV
      KLV April 21 2016 08: 52
      -1
      ... Jackal Tabaki ...
  8. Riv
    Riv April 21 2016 08: 20
    +6
    Forced to join previous comments. The author is not in the subject. He should not write a sequel, but a prehistory, starting with the consequences of the Russian-Turkish war. Moreover, to study its political consequences not from the Russian, but from the Serbian and Bulgarian sides. And even better - with Turkish.
    There, as it does not sound funny, not everything is clear.
  9. Alpha
    Alpha April 21 2016 08: 32
    +9
    Serbia is more consistent in its policies. And they remember their history and Russian. What can not be said about the Bulgarians.
  10. Streich
    Streich April 21 2016 09: 10
    +12
    And here, to put it mildly, they still do not like Bulgarians. Even in Soviet times, the border between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria was not easy. This is all I learned from real people who served and live now.
    We did not know much about Yugoslavia. But during the 2nd World War on the fronts of Yugoslavia (in Bosnia), Hitler had oh how many divisions that could be under Stalingrad, near Kursk. Yugoslavia is the only European country that did not cooperate with Hitler, but fought with it.
    Not so simple ...
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    2. Geronimo73
      Geronimo73 April 21 2016 09: 47
      +4
      Nedich, the Ustash with the Bosnians and the Albanians in Yugoslavia did not cooperate with the Germans? even the chetnits were coordinated with the Germans and with the Nedvichites. no romance
      1. Wolf
        Wolf April 21 2016 13: 44
        +4
        Without Romance, how many divisions did Hitler keep in Serbia, Bosnia, Black Gori, Macedonia from 1941 - 1945, and why? Because the Serbs fought against the insistent against Hitler both as partisans and Chetniks (this is similar to white and blush in Russia 1918)! In Croatia, the Germans did not beat because they, like Bulgari, beat allies with Hitler! and without romance!
        1. SokolfromRussia
          April 21 2016 13: 58
          +1
          Nishi bash gov. Bili su Yemtsi on podruchuu Hrvatske Ali u notable makoi kolichini. Angularly, they beat sous on the other side of the pruga and in the formiraly Khrvatske unit.
        2. Riv
          Riv April 21 2016 14: 03
          0
          But nothing that Bulgaria was just an ally of the Reich and declared war on England and the United States? What Bulgaria participated in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia?
          Let's just say: bad, worthless little brothers.
          1. 10 inches
            10 inches April 21 2016 15: 10
            +4
            and nevertheless then they also fought with the Germans. And with the partisans, Tito. And nothing like that ... they didn’t grab a friend’s throat. And the Bulgarian corps was marked 3 times in the orders of the Commander-in-Chief.
    3. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 10: 58
      -3
      Yes, Bulgarians are very loved. Moreover, according to personal feelings, the more southward in Serbia, the more this antagonism. In Nis, Paracin, Aleksinac, the attitude is extremely negative towards them.
      1. 10 inches
        10 inches April 21 2016 15: 14
        +3
        that I didn’t see antagonism .. and a bad attitude too. it turned out that I have relatives and friends on both sides, both Bulgarians and Serbs. There are strains, but they are mostly among, let's say, not so smart.
      2. Cro-Magnon
        Cro-Magnon April 21 2016 20: 28
        +2
        Especially after 1999, the air and ground corridors for Russia were closed to Serbia by Russia ... and NATO aviation quietly flew ... We will also mention the South Stream!
        1. nedgen
          nedgen April 22 2016 01: 41
          +4
          As for the corridor, Prime Minister Ivan Kostov banned him and he allowed NATO flights over Bulgaria. Then there were demonstrations against. Well, and what is it that someone in the government scratched their heads? No way. South Stream banned McCain. It sounds ridiculous, but in fact the project stopped on the Bulgarian side precisely after visiting this city ... and in Sofia. Some coincidences are absolutely not accidental. laughing
    4. Riv
      Riv April 21 2016 13: 59
      0
      Yeah ... Vlasovites in Yugoslavia were noted and others like them. SS only, hardcore only. The Wehrmacht there in my opinion did not participate at all. So what about "a large number of divisions" is, let's say, not true.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 14: 22
        +1
        In the occupied Yugoslavia, the Wehrmacht 22 division remained. Later, SS divisions were added to them.
        1. Riv
          Riv April 21 2016 15: 11
          +1
          Well yes. Just not added, but replaced them. The Germans had everything clearly: the Wehrmacht breaks the resistance of the regular army, the SS controls the territory. The same thing happened in the USSR: exclusively the SS and local policemen fought with the partisans. Combat units were involved only in front-line areas.
      2. Wolf
        Wolf April 21 2016 15: 12
        0
        A

        In the territory of Bulgaria on the day of 1941 of the Army group of Ts, B and another, the carapace of a division of up to 300.000, and in 1944, the number increases to 400.000 љudi! Partisan Serbs captured 150.000 fascists of 1944-45! ;) What the bi knew! :)
        1. Riv
          Riv April 21 2016 16: 45
          +4
          Oh, a dream! Purely to expand your horizons, my little shaggy friend.

          In September 1944, Soviet troops entered Yugoslavia. They cut the retreat routes of the German Army Group E from Greece and defeated the Army Group itself. Some of the Germans retreated to Hungary, and those who failed, partly were destroyed, and partly surrendered. Only not to the partisans, but to the Soviet troops. After the Yugoslavs shot their commander, who tried to agree on a surrender, there was no fool to surrender to the partisans.

          So it goes. If not for the Soviet troops, then in Yugoslavia the Chetniks would still be slaughtered with the Albanians and the NOAA, and they would all be caught in the woods and hanged by the Vlasovites. Well, so that you would not be bored: remind me how much Yugoslavia survived Broza Tito?
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 21 2016 16: 51
            -3
            Yes, in October 44, Krasna Armiha drove along the northern part of the U.K. and broke the main snag of the Nazi Germans in the Sremsky front! The names of the partisans were seized by the Germans of the Nazis and the homilies of Genral Lera na in the future! ;) wink
          2. SokolfromRussia
            April 21 2016 18: 17
            +1
            And what is he, sorry, dreaming? After the liberation of Belgrade, the Soviet troops turned north to Hungary, and the guerrillas themselves liberated the territories of BiH, Croatia and Slovenia. They also defeated part of the Croatian Wehrmacht divisions.
            1. Riv
              Riv April 22 2016 15: 02
              +3
              Of course, I understand that in Serbian schools history is taught that way. But a simple question: why did the partisans click their beaks before? What prevented us from seizing and freeing the country a couple of years earlier? But as the Red Army came and gave the Germans life-giving - so they immediately began to liberate.

              The answer is not as simple as it seems. The fact is that German aggression exacerbated all ethnic conflicts. Serbs rowed too long for themselves. In fact, only Serbia developed in the pre-war Yugoslavia, and the outskirts remained ... well, not in the Bronze Age, of course, but somewhere nearby. Albanians were generally treated like dogs. Well, in the 41st, all this certainly flared up. Everyone cut everyone. And even among the Serbs themselves there was no unity. Part oriented to the USSR, part to England.

              What could they free? And then, like a forester in a joke, the Russians came.
              1. SokolfromRussia
                April 22 2016 15: 29
                -3
                And here are the Serbian schools? Although I wrote something wrong in the previous comment?
                Soviet troops in 1944 inflicted a crushing defeat on the Germans near Belgrade, which allowed the partisans to continue fighting themselves.

                If the Serbs were "rowing for themselves" they would have created a Great Serbia in 1918, which would have united the territories with the Serbian population, and would not have paid attention to the Slovenes and Croats. And having created Yugoslavia, and having taken these very Slovenes and Croats out of the camp of the losers (and they fought for Austria-Hungary), the Serbs dug under their statehood, warming the future Ustasha on their chests.

                You have superficial knowledge and conclusions, I advise you to read more.
                1. Riv
                  Riv April 22 2016 17: 18
                  +1
                  No, but before that it didn’t allow them? Germans? But what about the 150.000 prisoners captured by the partisans ??? After all, they could have captured them before. The war would end sooner. But for some reason they didn’t capture ...
                  Bad, worthless little brothers.

                  In 1918, the Serbs created the "Great Serbia". And they named it ... Yugoslavia. Yes, yes, that one. In this kingdom, the Serbs played the role of the yubermen, for which later, as I said, they paid the price.

                  Well, there were orders ... Those who wish can google the names of secret societies: "White Hand", "Black Hand" and imagine what was going on there. In fact, today's Ukraine, compared to the then chaos, is a quiet and peaceful place. In general, in 41 it reverberated, so much so that the echo continued until the end of the war.
                  1. SokolfromRussia
                    April 22 2016 18: 15
                    -1
                    You are raving. Read first about the project of the Great Serbia Pašić and about the project of the state of the southern Slavs performed by the committee of Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian intellectuals.

                    If, for example, Bosnia under the Austrian occupation was somehow developing, then Croatia and Istria were the most backward provinces of Austria-Hungary. Besides the shipyards and wineries there was nothing at all.

                    Belgrade has invested heavily in financing the economies of Croatia and Macedonia. Railways, for example, were laid by engineers from white immigrants.

                    It is clear that the Wehrmacht and the SS until the autumn 1944 were too tough for the partisans. However, other countries such as Bulgaria did not arise at all and were quite comfortable with being in the position of Hitler's mongrels.

                    Repeat, read more.
                    1. Riv
                      Riv April 23 2016 07: 20
                      -1
                      Well, of course it’s too tough. But when the Germans were defeated, it became immediately possible to heroize them. And the Bulgarians are the same! So they suffered under German oppression, they suffered so ... But the Red Army came and rebelled.
                      Such little brothers.

                      And about the development of pre-war Yugoslavia ... Well, in Serbian schools they teach like that. To convince the Serb that the Serbs themselves are to blame for the current situation in Serbia is a futile affair. This is how to explain Svidomo that Kiev has always been either a Polish or a Russian city.
                      1. SokolfromRussia
                        April 23 2016 09: 09
                        -1
                        Yes, you have no idea how the Serbian schools are taught.
                        I, unlike you, purposefully studied this topic a couple of years ago and worked with documents in Belgrade.
                        The fact that the Serbs "sucked all the juice" is a communist myth, replicated first in the SFRY, and then picked up in the USSR. For under Marxism there are no concepts of interethnic and religious antagonism.
                        Goodbye. Spending time on you also no longer see the point.
                    2. alatanas
                      alatanas April 23 2016 13: 29
                      +3
                      Read also Grashanin's Inscription and Novakovic's doctrine on the "God-chosen" role of Serbia in Balkan affairs. Great Serbian propaganda has been going on since the late 1840s. And the Balkan Federation J. B. Tito saw in the form of the SR of Bulgaria as part of the SFRY and with a truncated territory. By the way, then, according to the Comintern's order, they created a "Macedonian" nation and a "Macedonian" language (1947). Until then, there were none in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, there were "southern Serbs". This article is also propaganda. Read about the camps "Idrizovo" and "goli otok" - who was there and for what.
                      1. Wolf
                        Wolf April 23 2016 17: 58
                        -2
                        Atlantis, what were you taught at school? Ј. B. Tito did not beat Serb! In the Golny Otok, 90% of Serbia’s saddle is understood and for the friendly relations with Russia and Staљin! Ј. B. Tito conducted the Masonic Jesuit project to not great Serbia !. In addition to toga Velika Serbia, the notion of Masonic Jesuit fashion history! On Helma (Balkans), one of the 5th century was full of Serbian land and Knezhevin and the Serbian dynasty! Boris Kotori ruled in Bulgaria and did not beat the Tartar with the Ottoman! beat beat clean words! Then, in the 10th century, the impostor Samuel came to power, with 3 brothers Mosesi, David and Aron, who was beaten by a school student, said that he beat Ermenin, but please look at Ermen and name them in the names Samel, Mosesi, David and Aron and how many of them? In Macedonia both they beat and seichas eats the dishes of Serbia and Shopi! Shop and I’m taking a drive from the Tatarim, we osmanima how many indians are to the American! ;)
                2. nedgen
                  nedgen April 22 2016 17: 26
                  +4
                  This is how they gathered Great Serbia, because not only people of the same nationality are present in the "great" states. That is why they paddled Macedonia, Croatia, Bosna and Herzegovina and Slovenia. And to be honest, the difference between Serbs and Croats is even less than between East Ukrainians and Russians. In fact, Croatians are Catholics and Serbs are Orthodox, the same is true for BiH, only Boshniks are mostly Muslims. But the Slovenes - their language is no longer Serbo Croatian. Although very similar. And I'm not talking about Macedonia at all. So my dear Serbian friend, you would also benefit from following your advice. hi
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf April 24 2016 14: 51
                    -1
                    http://www.bastabalkana.com/2016/04/srbija-pre-nemanjica-imena-srpskih-vladara-k
                    oja-se-precutkuju /
  11. dimitar
    dimitar April 21 2016 09: 28
    +3
    I disagree.
    What the author wrote wrong. This does not show an overview or summary, it is "delete context"
    1. Against the Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria exports most of the hostilities from the Balkan countries, the Drury countries only support. Naturally, they are very important.
    2. Then everyone else turned against Bulgaria, instigated by external forces.
    3. Serbia comes meanly to Bulgaria from the west, in the back seat, where there are no Bulgarian troops on the western border. (Before this war, Serbia asked Russia several times for help against Bulgaria by annexing most of our territory.)
    4. After Bulgaria defeated Serbia very easily, they think that the Bulgarians will take it very wrong with them. But all of their captive units (90000) are exempted from the Bulgarian counter-strike commander.
    5.This photo published is very doubtful. On the contrary, the attitude of the population of Serbia in Macedonia in the Turkish army to Bulgaria.
    6.Even today, torn from Bulgaria of the Ancestral Territories, people speak the Bulgarian language.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 10: 22
      +1
      I will not get involved in a lengthy discussion and will only comment once. The fact is that in 1913 it was the Bulgarian troops that attacked their allies. Not "everyone else." And it was just the opposite, it was the Bulgarians who attacked the Serbs, having even managed to move a little deeper into the Serbian territory, but then they were defeated. All this can be scheduled by day, if desired.

      Further, no one in the territories adjacent to Bulgaria speaks Bulgarian. In Eastern Serbia there is a Bulgarian minority, but it is really tiny. Macedonia has nothing to do with Bulgaria, no matter how much you want the opposite. And yes, having recognized Kosovo, Bulgaria has very strongly substituted Skopje. As in Macedonia, Albanians are more and more and their separatism is extremely strong.

      Are you ready to recognize Albanians in Western Macedonia? We'll have to, because that's exactly what the US owners tell you.
      1. but still
        but still April 21 2016 11: 29
        +4
        Vadim, the inhabitants of Macedonia have been receiving Bulgarian passports for a decade, studying in Bulgaria (do you know how many daily buses run between Skopje and Sofia?) So don’t worry about the Macedonians. Bulgaria framed Skopje? On the contrary, Bulgaria is the FIRST country in the world to recognize the independence of Macedonia.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander April 21 2016 11: 55
          0
          Quote: but still
          Macedonian people for a decade get Bulgarian passports, study in Bulgaria (do you know how many daily buses run between Skopje and Sofia?)

          Receive because it is EU passports and provide an opportunity to live and work, receive benefits for ALL Europe.
          In Moldova, too, 15% of residents have Romanian citizenship, for the same purpose, several thousand have Bulgarian. A Bulgarian passport is valued ABOVE the Romanian one - there is more trust in hiring and in England it is easier with him.
          1. but still
            but still April 21 2016 12: 37
            +4
            That's right - a Bulgarian passport is also an EU passport - all holders of a Bulgarian passport are free to live and work throughout the EU. Recently, Switzerland has opened a labor market for Bulgarians and Romanians. This is true. But still, tens of thousands of Macedonians, having received a Bulgarian passport, remain in Bulgaria - they study at universities and work. In addition, several buses run daily between Skopje and Sofia, which suggests that many Macedonians do not go further west, but settle in Bulgaria, or have intensive educational, cultural, economic ties with Bulgaria.
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      2. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 02: 26
        +5
        Yes, you're right attacked Bulgaria but the defeat of the Bulgarian army utterly laughing . And besides, I don’t see how you can write down the dates of the rout of the defeat of the Bulgarian army if you even indicated the date of the beginning of the allied war. It began on June 16th and not on the 29th.

        As for the Bulgarian language in the adjacent territories hi You opened America. In Macedonia, for example, from time immemorial (since the time of Philip of Macedonia) there are some Macedonians who know why they perfectly understood each other with the ancient Helens without translators. But modern Macedonians who know why they speak the dialect of the Bulgarian language created at the Skopsk Institute in 1947, just like the Ukrainian literary language was created in due time laughing and for unwillingness to call themselves a Macedonian and a Bolgar in Macedonia they are still imprisoned today. And in the period 1945 - 1950, in the Ser concentration camps alone, almost 200 Bulgarians were killed and tortured. And that's not counting the repressions against the Bulgarians in Macedonia until 000. The same is true of White Sea Trakia, my grandfather was there at the excursion and a "Greek" approached their group, they started talking and he said that he was Bulgarian, but if the police heard that he spoke Bulgarian he would face a very large fine, and if he didn’t pay for prison.
        Regarding the recognition of Kosovo - yes you are right. This was a huge mistake. But does anyone ask the people? But where in the world at least somewhere (except partially Switzerland) did you see democracy? Democracy is exactly the same utopia as communism.
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 22 2016 19: 22
          -3
          Only with the translator Alexander of Macedon spoke with the Elins, Nedgen must be read! Elyn did not catch the hedgehog of Macedon! wink Bulgarian hezik dialect! ;)
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 22 2016 19: 43
            +4
            Quote: Wolf
            Only with the translator Alexander of Macedon spoke with the Elins, Nedgen must be read! Elyn did not catch the hedgehog of Macedon! wink Bulgarian hezik dialect! ;)

            That's right, only the Bulgarians were not in present-day Bulgaria ... request
            Their ancestors still lived on the Volga. Or was it then called differently? Itil? Ra?
            Interestingly, if Alexander the Great spoke with the Hellenes through an interpreter, then how did he communicate with his teacher Aristotle? Also through a translator? what
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 22 2016 20: 37
              -3
              The question is who beat Aristotle? , if he 100% knew the hezik, you can say SERBES! ;)
              1. andj61
                andj61 April 22 2016 21: 23
                +1
                Quote: Wolf
                The question is who beat Aristotle? , if he 100% knew the hezik, you can say SERBES! ;)

                Aristotle wrote something in ancient Greek. Yes, and the troops of Alexander spoke the same language - there is evidence.
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf April 22 2016 22: 03
                  -1
                  The testimony of the historians themselves as before? fellow
      3. alatanas
        alatanas April 23 2016 13: 42
        +3
        On May 19, 1913, an agreement was signed between Serbia and Greece regarding joint military operations against Bulgaria. Serbia insists on revising the agreement on the indisputable and disputed zone in Macedonia (the disputed zone had to be resolved under the arbitration of the Russian Tsar).
    2. Wolf
      Wolf April 21 2016 13: 52
      -1
      SHOPSKY dialect Serbskog ezikaa 1 song in Shopska from today Bulgaria, about Krajeviћ Mark Mark Serbski Korљ! ;)!
      1. pytar
        pytar April 21 2016 14: 54
        +6
        "Wolf", you better not tell the SHOPs that they speak "Serbian dialect" ... You risk your health ... laughing As for Krali Marko ... He is sung in the folk epos of the South Slavic / Bulgarian, Serbs, Croatian / peoples, as a "fighter against the Turks." Marko, is the son of Prilepsky / part of Macedonia / despot and king Valkashin Murnyavchevich / 1366-1371 /. The question of his ethnicity was raised in the late 19th century, when Serbia set itself the task of taking over Macedonia. It is for this purpose that they identify Krali Marko as an ethnic Serb. This hypothesis is based on one single medieval work, namely, "The Kingdom of the Slavs" -Mavro Orbini / 16th century /. On the contrary, namely in the local Bulgarian origin of King Marco, a much more chronicler testifies, such as Konstantin Mikhailovich, Ivan Muzaki, Sfrantses, Theodor Kantakuzin, Josif ben Joshua, Philip Lorenz and others who speak of him unambiguously as the “Bulgarian prince” .
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 21 2016 15: 45
          -3
          Pitar Kraљeviћ Marco had the GLORY Svetog Georgi, and only the Serbs have the GLORY of the Orthodox! So he is a bit beaten by SERB, and the sons of Mr Machevichi praised LIGHT GEORGIA! ;) wink
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 21 2016 15: 48
            -2
            So your historians have prevented something from Pitar! winked
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 21 2016 15: 59
              -1
              Turkey at Mark's glory

              God pray to Kraљeviћu Marco
              One year old to one year old:
              yes glorify krsno having red,
              krsno ime, the light of the flying city,
              I don’t reach the light of Turkey.
              And cad Marcu svet Ђuraђ doђe,
              to the Lord for the light of the gap,
              at the court there are three sofre biфahu:
              Prva Sofra Dvanaest Vladika,
              friend sofra gentlemen hrishћanska,
              treha sofra nishti and wretched,
              Marco Serve Wine
              and diminish, Lord Hrishan,
              serve nishte and wretchedness,
              and the face carry the Law,
              Vaistina sent to guard
              yes mu chuva guard o Turaka,
              I don’t reach the light of Turkey.
          2. pytar
            pytar April 21 2016 16: 21
            +7
            Wolf, I apologize ... but your "explanation" about the "Serbian" ethnic origin of Krali Marko is very mmm what ... how to say softer ... the strangest thing I've ever met! lol
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 22 2016 19: 24
              -3
              Is the last name Mrњachevich in Bulgar today? So MRSEREVEI beat the dynasty that ruled Bulgaria! And they beat SERBI and imitated the GLORY OF LIGHT GEORGIA! wink laughing
      2. but still
        but still April 21 2016 15: 43
        +5
        Congratulating for VUK smile
  12. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 09: 45
    +7
    Attempts to present Bulgaria as an aggressive state do not stop, and the Bulgarian as some kind of wild and very poor people in general! Anti-Bulgarian material is published on the Military Review website with enviable regularity, which does not surprise me personally. Serbian and Greek lobbies have long been settled here. This material is not an exception in this line. It contains gross distortions of facts and does not reveal the essence of the situation on the Balkans, which led to mutual claims and bloodshed between the Balkan peoples. Unfortunately, there is almost no material on VO representing other points of view, so that open-minded readers would be able to evaluate and make up their own opinions.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 21 2016 10: 29
      +12
      Quote: pytar
      Unfortunately, there is almost no material on VO representing other points of view, so that open-minded readers would be able to evaluate and make up their own opinions.

      So what’s the matter - propose your point of view for publication. Surely there are interesting works in Bulgaria - and we will discuss together. VO for this and created. hi
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 10: 39
        +8
        They have the vast majority of works banal revanchist nature. All around are bad, everyone hates them, they alone are good.
        It was from this "goodness" that they recognized Kosovo, and NATO in 1999 provided their country for basing during the bombing of Yugoslavia.
        1. Angor
          Angor April 22 2016 06: 37
          +2
          "SokolfromRussia RU Yesterday, 10:39 ↑ It was from this" goodness "that they recognized Kosovo and NATO in 1999 provided their country for basing during the bombing of Yugoslavia."

          Apparently you have a very short memory !? While you were being bombed by NATO and the embargo was imposed on Yugoslavia, who violated this embargo and supplied you with diesel fuel, gasoline and everything you need in the war and after it? You have already forgotten that these are "White Wolves" and how many Bulgarians and Russians fought in this war!

          And something else! I looked at your publications. Do you get paid to push the idea of ​​a great Serbia on Russian resources? Do you work at the embassy? Does it work for you, stain everything in the mud so that white and decent ...
        2. nedgen
          nedgen April 22 2016 15: 37
          +2
          And you have respected how Russian works of the Serbian occurrence distorting the truth so much that even the dates of the war do not indicate correctly do not seem revanchist? Apparently not.
          1. SokolfromRussia
            April 22 2016 15: 41
            -2
            Russian Serbian happening? What is this? Right not seem? I do not understand you, please write Russian in Russian laughing
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik April 21 2016 10: 39
      +8
      do not fool around! We remember those Bulgarians who, together with our soldiers, fought against the Ottoman Empire, and those who fought against the Nazis during the war!
    3. Demeter
      Demeter April 21 2016 11: 41
      +5
      Good gentleman, but why should we actually love your Bulgaria ?! Your Bulgaria fully owes its sovereignty to Russia and do not dare to argue, because until the Russian army arrived, you did not receive sovereignty. What did Russia get in return ?! Bulgaria fought against Russia both in the First and Second World War and is now a member of the anti-Russian NATO bloc. For me, the conclusion is obvious, it was necessary to leave you under Turkey, you don’t stand a drop of blood shed by Russian soldiers who gave you independence ...
      1. 10 inches
        10 inches April 21 2016 15: 25
        +4
        Well, firstly for a start. Russian soldiers knew what they were shedding blood for. And the enthusiasm was great. I advise you to read this topic before judging. Secondly, the Bulgarians also fought with the Turks like ours. As in the militia and in the composition Russian troops. But for such losses our generals need to tear, there was such idiocy that the hair stood on end.
        1. Demeter
          Demeter April 21 2016 15: 48
          +3
          Would those Russian soldiers know how to repay Bulgaria to Russia for what the Russian soldiers won her independence, would they fight for Bulgaria, what do you think ?!
          1. 10 inches
            10 inches April 21 2016 20: 10
            +4
            if yes, if only .. and they fought not for independence but were freed from the Turks. and it was worth fighting for it. and they knew about it.
      2. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 15: 52
        +6
        And who should tell you what they love? You just be at least neutral, and not like a cave Bulgarian Bulgarian Vadim Sokolov, although bearing in mind that he is normal Serb. The strangest thing is that the Bulgarians do not hate the Serbs, but the opposite very much takes place, and besides, in recent history there are many more Bulgarians killed by the Serbs than vice versa, and this is precisely in peacetime. Yes, I do not deny the facts. Yes, Bulgaria fought in WWII against Russia but not in WWII. Quite the contrary. The USSR declared war on Bulgaria on 5 Sept. 1944 year. And after 11 sept. 1944, the Bulgarian army joined the war on the side of the USSR and the anti-Hitler coalition. And I don’t understand that only in these Serbs were found. They cost Russia millions of victims in WWII, and after WWII they betrayed wherever possible and where not. And only after the collapse of the USSR when the smell of fried suddenly they suddenly remembered that they love Russia, and now again they flirt with the EU to be accepted among the enemies of Russia.
        1. 10 inches
          10 inches April 22 2016 18: 13
          +3
          In fairness, not the Serbs are guilty of World War I and our victims in it. In their place, you could have been the same if Bulgaria had given loans to France and England instead of Germany. And Russia also paid the lives of its soldiers for loans taken from the Entente. If it would be only in Serbia .. it would be possible to go through Romania to the borders of Bulgaria and just ask them to let them go to the Serbs. and the Bulgarians wouldn’t refuse. but instead they rushed to Prussia to save Paris .. here and everyone who pays and orders the music .
      3. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 15: 52
        +2
        And who should tell you what they love? You just be at least neutral, and not like a cave Bulgarian Bulgarian Vadim Sokolov, although bearing in mind that he is normal Serb. The strangest thing is that the Bulgarians do not hate the Serbs, but the opposite very much takes place, and besides, in recent history there are many more Bulgarians killed by the Serbs than vice versa, and this is precisely in peacetime. Yes, I do not deny the facts. Yes, Bulgaria fought in WWII against Russia but not in WWII. Quite the contrary. The USSR declared war on Bulgaria on 5 Sept. 1944 year. And after 11 sept. 1944, the Bulgarian army joined the war on the side of the USSR and the anti-Hitler coalition. And I don’t understand that only in these Serbs were found. They cost Russia millions of victims in WWII, and after WWII they betrayed wherever possible and where not. And only after the collapse of the USSR when the smell of fried suddenly they suddenly remembered that they love Russia, and now again they flirt with the EU to be accepted among the enemies of Russia.
    4. Aleksander
      Aleksander April 21 2016 12: 07
      -2
      Quote: pytar
      It contains gross misrepresentations

      The above The facts are true.
      The parties had mutual claims before the events described, and there are still different interpretations of these problems, but this is everyone’s point of view.
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    6. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon April 21 2016 20: 39
      +2
      I’ll tell you so ... if VO were a German resource, it would be the other way around ... love for the Bulgarians and hostility to the Serbs! And why? Think for yourself!
    7. Starshina wmf
      Starshina wmf April 22 2016 02: 37
      -3
      It’s just that the Bulgarians always betray the Russians, and this is a negative attitude. And how else are they treated with traitors and perebesikami?
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 22 2016 15: 45
        -3
        Yes, unfortunately the Bulgarians paid us for their liberation from the Turks simply with black ingratitude. And even now they have joined NATO, disrupted South Stream, and are supplying weapons to Ukraine.
        And here we are kept for fools, telling how well they treat Russians ...
  13. Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 April 21 2016 09: 45
    -1
    Yes, everything is so-called the brothers have stood each other and are still standing. be careful with them ....
    1. dimitar
      dimitar April 21 2016 10: 01
      +3
      This is not true. As a rule, there are many problems with knowing the history of the Balkans. But, in particular, those historical facts about Bulgaria in this article are distorted.
  14. dimitar
    dimitar April 21 2016 09: 49
    +2
    After the war, Bulgaria was left alone against all world powers, and about 50% of its territory is currently absent. At the expense of other Balkan countries, they themselves do not achieve anything in these wars. But due to the strategic interests of the world powers, cowards were awarded Bulgarian territory.
    In particular, Serbia at the moment is what it should be, a small country that nothing is achieved alone. The Yugoslav project has ended.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar April 21 2016 10: 41
      +3
      Quote: Dimitar
      The Yugoslav project has ended.
      The "brotherly Bulgaria" project has also ended.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 10: 51
        +4
        So fraternal that South Stream was also thwarted at the behest of Brussels, and Kosovo was recognized. I am generally silent about arms supplies to Ukraine in 2015.
      2. dimitar
        dimitar April 21 2016 12: 58
        +1
        Yes, but the difference is that Great Bulgaria is the real thing and destroyed because of the interest of the great powers. Paid fair to all, and yet both of them with Bulgarian blood. While the Serbian-Yugoslav gathering is only an artificial political structure and, naturally, its time has passed.
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 27 December 2016 08: 32
          0
          what is great Bulgaria? belay where is she? I still haven’t seen something! Bulgaria is no longer there is the European Union lol
    2. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 12: 16
      +3
      dimitar The Yugoslav project has ended.... But you can also bury the "Great Bulgaria" project within the borders of the First or Second Bulgarian Kingdoms ... Each fragment of any empire dreams of becoming an empire, while blaming the former empires for imperial ambitions ..
    3. Starshina wmf
      Starshina wmf April 22 2016 02: 49
      +1
      And do not hell against the brothers to fight. They wanted someone else's hump to enter paradise, but got it on their stupid head.
  15. Maaslo Sallonen
    Maaslo Sallonen April 21 2016 09: 55
    +3
    And now there are those who want to attract Russia to participate in the war against Azerbaijan on the side of Armenia.
    1. What a
      What a April 21 2016 11: 47
      +4
      We must not forget the anti-Russian actions of the Armenians last year, so let them figure it out ourselves. Enough with us and the Bulgarian little brothers.
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  17. but still
    but still April 21 2016 10: 38
    +4
    Read what the author of this article writes in his commentary in Samsonov’s article 2 days ago:

    SokolfromRussia RU Yesterday, 11:14 ↑ New

    Aren't you tired of writing nonsense? The city remained "Bulgarian" for several years and quickly came under the control of the Hungarians. However, Serbs lived in it, as evidenced by the Hungarian chronicles. Also, the Serbian ethnic component lived beyond the Danube, while the Turkic Bulgarians were nowhere to be found.

    Macedonia is generally a Serbian land, in the 14 century Skopje was the capital of the Serbian kingdom :)

    Present Bulgaria has nothing to do with the Bulgaria you are writing about. And, by the way, Bulgaria still occupies the Serbian and Greek lands. Vidin is a Serbian city, as well as Sofia, Vratsa and many others. But I’m sure this is temporary and historical justice will triumph..


    http://topwar.ru/94143-yugoslavskaya-operaciya.html

    Vadim Sokolov, author of the article, did you submit territorial claims to modern Bulgaria in your comment? .................................................. ..........................
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 10: 41
      -1
      Be able to distinguish between trolling inadequate opponents and serious comments. You have trouble with this, unfortunately.
      1. but still
        but still April 21 2016 11: 00
        +1
        Vadim, did you want to rock the Balkans? Vadim, I think that you are 20 years old and you do not take seriously what pranks you are doing - you are under the article. Moreover, several states at once. Besides, with your Serbian "patriotism" you seriously harm Serbia itself.
        1. SokolfromRussia
          April 21 2016 11: 18
          0
          I will save your comment in the quote book, if you don't mind :)
          This is all that can be answered.
  18. Demeter
    Demeter April 21 2016 10: 43
    0
    It is not only the Serb genocide by fascist Bulgaria, but also the Russian genocide by fascist Romania .... that is probably because these countries were formerly part of the Warsaw Pact, although there is more blood on them than in fascist Finland ....
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 10: 44
      +3
      About the Bulgarian atrocities in Serbia is currently preparing the second part of the article.
      1. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 02: 37
        +5
        Interestingly, Vadim, are you going to write an article about Serbian atrocities in Macedonia or what?
        1. SokolfromRussia
          April 22 2016 16: 51
          -1
          I do not write about what was not :)
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  19. but still
    but still April 21 2016 11: 19
    +1
    Yes, yes, prepare an article on why everyone from Yugoslavia fled. You provoke measured atrocities and write here who in which of several wars was a beast? Vadim, modern Serbia and Bulgaria have excellent neighborly relations. So puff you here in vain.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 11: 21
      0
      So beautiful that in 1999 Bulgaria provided its territory for NATO during the aggression on Yugoslavia, in 2008 recognized Kosovo, and now it is economically disgusting with all its might?
      This was my last answer to you, I do not want to waste time on storytellers.
      1. but still
        but still April 21 2016 11: 39
        +3
        Yes, really beautiful - even the project for the construction of a gas connector between Serbia and Bulgaria was approved smile
  20. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 21 2016 11: 25
    +4
    The fact is that in the WWII and WWII the Bulgarians were on the side of those who fought with Russia! It is a fact. The rest is blah blah blah. Conclusion Bulgarians are to us the same brothers as Poles. Only the Poles openly Russophobia and from the Bulgarians expect nasty things. An example - they disrupted the construction of a gas pipeline to southern Europe. NATO members, etc.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 21 2016 13: 43
      -1
      You can read the comments from them here. An article about a historical event, and then there was a burst of "VO - anti-Bulgarian site". At first it was funny to read it, now it’s not very much - what kind of mess people should have in their heads ...
    2. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 21 2016 14: 07
      +6
      I suggest you go to Poland and Bulgaria and chat with Poles and Bulgarians.
      I think the difference in attitude towards yourself is very fast.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero April 21 2016 17: 37
        +7
        And speak Russian both there and there.
        I have been to Poland two or three times during the 'perestroika' and 'democracy' period. In the restaurant, colleagues and colleagues spoke Bulgarian, and the waitress was spoken to in Russian (none of us spoke English or German at that time) - the waitress blatantly ignored us. Then the staff rubbed something between themselves and asked where we were from. As soon as they learned that from Bulgaria, the attitude immediately changed and everyone began to understand and speak Russian perfectly. By the way, at that time I was very surprised at this, I never imagined this at all, but later my Polish colleagues reluctantly explained. And that was in the late 80s. Later in Poland, I used English and only spoke Russian once or twice with the hotel staff.
        In Israel, there were no problems speaking Russian. True, they were always interested in where I came from.
        1. Starshina wmf
          Starshina wmf April 22 2016 03: 02
          +1
          The Poles do not like Russians because Russia pushed them on the head and did not allow them to create an empire from sea to sea. They also claimed large lands, but they were beaten and divided each time. That is Prussia, then Russia. Here and they formed an inferiority complex but blame us for it. Well, what can you do, their fate doesn’t work for them to be on the first roles in Europe. Now they are on the second, because they are yapping at Russia and licking the American train ... when they become they don’t always need to be divided again. The country's karma is like that.
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  21. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 11: 42
    +4
    The whole group works in the anti-Bulgarian direction and on the website of the Military Review! How elementary their activity is designed, and to whom they work, you can draw conclusions yourself. The posttenky principle - Since history is never unambiguous, negative events for Bulgarians are pulled out with it. Moreover, out of the context of time and silent reasons! All this dirt is then replicated in the "comments" to the point of insanity. The same shampoy is glued to the Bulgarian people: "in WWI and WWII, the Bulgarians were on the side of the enemies of Russia," "The Bulgarians have always betrayed Russia," and the like. Moreover, no contra-argument matters for these people. Moreover, the difference between the rulers and the people is deliberately not made! The goal is simple - to turn the Russians against the Bulgarians and, accordingly, the Bulgarians against the Russians! Here I see a "commentator" who, wherever there is even a cursory mention of Bulgaria, do not let Bulgarians and Bulgaria be poured from the mud. They write the same crazy mantras, like a zombie damn it! On the one hand, such an information war harms both Russians and Bulgarians, but on the other hand it becomes clear somehow ... how Bulgarian and Russian people are really close, brotherly peoples, and so frantically someone is trying to put them out of control! Our historians also remain in debt to the readers, since there are almost no materials representing the Bulgarian point of view. In any case, a lot of work has yet to be done and it will be done, as this is in the interest of the peoples of the Balkan Peninsula. They are wiser than their managers and do not keep such hatred for one another, as some provocateurs want.
    1. What a
      What a April 21 2016 12: 05
      +6
      You really already got Russia. The information war is harming both Russians and Bulgarians, but is everything again again in a new way? You will spoil and at the same time say that the information war harms both Russians and Bulgarians? The Russians no longer have faith, and this time prove with deeds otherwise.
    2. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 21 2016 14: 08
      0
      And do you tell us something pro-Bulgarian, from which fright should a Russian person familiar with WWI stories have warm feelings for Bulgarians?
    3. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 14: 14
      +2
      The goal is simple - to set up the Russians against the Bulgarians and, accordingly, the Bulgarians against the Russians!
      You guys have set yourself up against yourself for a long time .. So you don’t have to sing military songs .. Judge for yourself, Serbs, people, didn’t want to join NATO .. ​​meetings were held .. The government went awry and didn’t join the alliance .. And you are in NATO and not the first year .. and most importantly with whom with the Turks .. and most importantly against whom against Russia .. And then, honestly, for Russia, Bulgaria did good .. exclude the Soviet post-war period .. Gave independence ..?
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 21 2016 16: 08
      -2
      ".... works in the anti-Bulgarian direction and on the website of the Military Review!" ///

      if only in anti-Bulgarian .... fellow
      Here, with a frequency of several days, they run into ALL of Russia's neighbors.
      The concept is clear: "Russia is surrounded by enemies"
      When there are enemies around, then there’s a war going on,
      and it’s not worth paying attention to such trifles as a drop in salaries, a rise in prices,
      deterioration of services, etc.
      Tactics is as old as the world ... yes
      1. but still
        but still April 21 2016 17: 11
        -2
        Absolutely, the other day, Belarus and Old Man were spread in an article here on the site.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik April 21 2016 17: 44
        +1
        The concept is clear: "Russia is surrounded by enemies" .. Call your friends ring .. Who just doesn’t sleep at night and thinks about Russia, how to help and with what ..
        1. but still
          but still April 21 2016 18: 18
          +2
          Friends need to be created - friendship is a benevolent relationship based on reciprocity, trust, common interests and equality. In addition, having created friendship, it is also necessary to protect and maintain it. You have friendship with Belarus, right? So why is there so much negativity in the media and comments?
          1. parusnik
            parusnik April 21 2016 19: 26
            +2
            Yes, friendship with Belarus, for centuries, we have loans, and we have sanctioned products .. We are cheap oil, but expensive gas for us .. In full trust, reciprocity, common interests and equality ..
          2. 10 inches
            10 inches April 21 2016 20: 14
            +3
            friendship she is between people. in politics, such things are not welcome .. here and be friends with each other.
          3. Cro-Magnon
            Cro-Magnon April 21 2016 20: 51
            +1
            So we created Bulgarian "friends" ... we put several hundred thousand for independence ... where we did it GOOD! And the result ...
            1. 10 inches
              10 inches April 21 2016 21: 24
              +7
              Yes, we have put millions in France and England, and that they’re getting into kisses directly with us? Ask yourself the question how many Bulgarians fought against the Russians and how many of the same French who were like our allies ...
            2. nedgen
              nedgen April 22 2016 18: 05
              +2
              And when are there several hundred thousand? And when did it happen? That’s what they put more than 10 million because of the costs involved in the WWI, yes. But those killed and died from wounds in the war of 1877-1878 are about 20. To be sure, 000 of them on the Caucasian front are 22391. And where are several hundred thousand here? belay Of course, 22391 are very many and we are very grateful. After all, not a single nation has freed itself from the Turks. Neither the Serbs nor the Greeks, nor we, nor the Arabs. As for the results, first, the entire history of the relationship is raised and not participation in the WWI out of context. And participation in WWII is even more ambiguous.
          4. What a
            What a April 22 2016 10: 46
            -3
            What a strange friendship, sitting on the neck of Russia. What has Russia learned from the West, that friendship is friendship and money apart. And Russia's interests are above all.
            1. 10 inches
              10 inches April 22 2016 18: 01
              +3
              you are mistaken. did not learn. look at write-off of debts to other countries.
      3. Starshina wmf
        Starshina wmf April 22 2016 03: 12
        0
        What the hell are you getting into our economic problems. Russia is in the ring of enemies. They want to crush us economically, since any stupid person knows that we can’t defeat us in the war. What salary I have is not your business. I don’t know how much bread costs in Israel , I’m on the drum. Prices are rising, so what. We’ll survive the sanctions. Rather, we will be tempered, we will not die of hunger. Half of all Russia is at least. For example, we haven’t seen imported food products. All of my Russian food. And Moscow and Peter, we don’t care what they eat there.
  22. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 12: 59
    +3
    Quote: Che for
    You really already got Russia. The information war is harming both Russians and Bulgarians, but is everything again again in a new way? You will spoil and at the same time say that the information war harms both Russians and Bulgarians? The Russians no longer have faith, and this time prove with deeds otherwise.

    Who authorized you to speak on behalf of All Russia ??? And the fact that you write in Russian does not prove in any way that you yourself are Russian! Provocative is there. The information war is going on, as he himself said.
    1. What a
      What a April 22 2016 11: 01
      0
      I am a provocateur and demand that they prove friendship by deeds, and not just in words, then no provocation will work. As for All Russia, of course there are those who still believe in friendship with the Bulgarians, but there are fewer and fewer of these with each of your anti-Russian actions. Believe me today, the vast majority of Russians are indifferent to Bulgaria and this is the result of your actions, and not words and words, would be perceived by the Russians as a provocation. So think about the provocateur or not. The information war was not said by me, but by you.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 22 2016 11: 05
        0
        You are right, every year fewer people look at Bulgarians as friends. If we ignore the actions of Bulgaria in relation to Serbia, then their disruption of the South Stream and the supply of weapons to Ukraine will not be overlooked anyway. I am already silent about the fight against monuments to our heroes of the Great Patriotic War.
  23. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 13: 16
    +4
    Quote: parusnik
    dimitar The Yugoslav project has ended.... But you can also bury the "Great Bulgaria" project within the borders of the First or Second Bulgarian Kingdoms ... Each fragment of any empire dreams of becoming an empire, while blaming the former empires for imperial ambitions ..

    Bulgaria was never an empire and never had such a claim. True, it is unlikely that it will ever be restored within the borders of its former kingdoms, but it is likely to unite with Macedonia / or with most of it / all the same. The process of restoring the Bulgarian ethnic self-awareness is in the Republic of Moldova and people there remember their Bulgarian roots. Blood will not become water, so everything will fall into place from time to time. I personally wish peace and prosperity to the Serbs and let them never peep at someone else's land again!
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 21 2016 14: 10
      +7
      But your land is everywhere where King Simeon reached a hundred hundred years ago, and write it down.
      1. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 18: 28
        +4
        In fact, it may seem ridiculous to you, but Bulgaria was much larger during the time of Kan Isper (Asparuh), the founder of 13th Bulgaria. It stretched from the Dnieper to the Carpathians in the south to the Balkan mountains and even Transylvania was included in the north. (However, the burial of Kan Isper was found in the thirties when work began on the construction of the Zaporizhzhya reservoir) I never heard anything from anyone claiming everything Children of the territory or territory of Bulgaria during the time of Simeon or even larger Bulgaria during the time of the Kan Krum. But I don’t even want to talk about Bulgaria during the time of Kurt. Then even Crimea and the Caucasus entered Bulgaria. So what? After all, it’s not the Bulgarians who live there now. And Bulgaria fought for San Stefan Bulgaria, composed according to the ethnic principle. The territory of San Stefan Bulgaria included only territories where the Bulgarian ethnic group was more than 60-70%, and even then it included only territories previously included in the Ottoman Empire. And Simeonovskaya Bulgaria and San Stefan Bulgaria are two BIG DIFFERENCES laughing . Now, even about that San Stefanovskaya Bulgaria no one stutters. So that... hi
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 22 2016 19: 40
          0
          So you call that vi Tatari? winked
          1. but still
            but still April 23 2016 03: 09
            +3
            Quote: Wolf
            So you call that vi Tatari? winked


            In fact, the Tatars are the descendants of the Bulgar-Bulgar smile And the Chuvash, and the Bashkirs, and the Balkars ... there is a Bulgarian ethnic component in Russians, Ukrainians, and Moldovans smile See the map of Great Bulgaria Kubrat (the treasure from his grave in the Poltava region is stored in the Hermitage) smile

            And even earlier - the descendants of the Pelasgians, or as they were also called, the Pelgars - the indigenous people of the Balkans, even before the appearance of the ancestors of the Greeks in the Balkans - the Pelgars (B'lgar - Pelgar - since the ancestors of the Greeks did not utter the sound "B", but pronounced the sound " P "; the sound" b ", specific only for Bulgarians, was pronounced by other peoples either as" E ", or as" U "(Bulgar), or as" O "(Bulgar). Part of the Pelasgians settled in different directions to new lands, possibly they reached Crete, and Mesopotamia, and the Nile, and the northern Black Sea region and the Caucasus, most likely due to the transformation of the previously sweet-water lake into the salty Black Sea (everyone knows the "Flood"). Some remained and later the so-called Thracians appeared (they themselves they did not call that, they had about a hundred different tribal names.) Since the Trojan War, the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great, Bactria ... Thracian tribes settled in new lands. Herodotus called the Thracians the second largest nation after the Indian. Then the Romans came. Some Thracians died in battle, some obeyed the Romans, and some went north and northeast. It is interesting that in Iran there are three toponyms for Varna, there are Burgas, there are three peaks of Musal. In Azerbaijan there is the Bulgarchay River, Armenian historians have described the settlement of Bulgarians in the North Caucasus at the turn of a new era.
            Then there were various tribal unions, then the Ancient Great Bulgaria of Kubrat. Next - everyone knows.

            Many questions that came before Kubrat. Most modern peoples have not fully figured out their origin and history.

            In the last decade, in addition to the unconfirmed Turkic theory, the Iranian origin of the Bulgarians is already recognized in scientific circles. Thracian origin is very popular, within the framework of which the Iranian wanderings of the Thracians, who subsequently returned to their homeland, to the Balkans, with the ethnonym of the Bulgarians, also fit in.
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 23 2016 18: 14
              -3
              And what do you think from the viras today of Slovenia? They flew from Mars? Frakiјtsi and Pelzagi beat Slovens not Tatarim and Bulgaria! ;)
              1. but still
                but still April 24 2016 12: 36
                +2
                Are there Thracian mounds in Slovenia?
                What do ancient historians write about Slovenes? What do archaeologists say about the material culture of ancient Slovenes?

                And the fact that modern Tatars (Kazan), as well as the Chuvash and Bashkirs and other peoples, came from the Bulgarians (Kotrag - the founder of the Volga-Kama Bulgaria after the resettlement from Ancient Great Bulgaria Kubrat from the northern Black Sea region) - this is a well-known fact. And the Volga Bulgars had cities when your ancestors (Serbs) were still in the land ............ when your ancestors still had no cities.

                I have found studies where the relationship of the Thracian tribes with the Bulgarians of Asparuh is indisputably proved, but for now I will not reveal the trump card smile

                But were Slovens descendants of the Thracians? They are Slavs and settled there in the 6th century request
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf April 24 2016 14: 54
                  -2
                  http://www.bastabalkana.com/2016/04/srbija-pre-nemanjica-imena-srpskih-vladara-k
                  oja-se-precutkuju /
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf April 24 2016 14: 54
                    0
                    [media = http: //www.bastabalkana.com/2016/04/srbija-pre-nemanjica-imena-srpskih-vl
                    adara-koja-se-precutkuju /]
    2. Wolf
      Wolf April 21 2016 15: 01
      -1
      She will never unite with Macedonia, so they beat the plan of the Masons for Helm! , and if such a claim and will still be in Bulgaria, they will think and what will happen to the Shopsk region in Bulgaria itself and where will it be audited? :)
    3. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 15: 15
      0
      True, it is unlikely that it will ever be restored within the borders of its former kingdoms, but it is likely to unite with Macedonia / or with most of it / all the same...It is unlikely .. the Macedonians ... tired of you and the Serbs and Greeks .. It would be better if there was a Slavic Balkan Confederation in the Balkans ..
  24. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 21 2016 14: 12
    +3
    Looking at the history of relations between Serbia and Bulgaria, for some reason it seems to me that Russia and Ukraine will not be reconciled either.
    Despite one faith, one story and some Slavic roots.
    Hope I'm wrong.
    1. 10 inches
      10 inches April 21 2016 15: 29
      -2
      I agree ... this dispute between the Bulgarians and the Serbs is like a scribble of letters. It has been going on since those times when they were part of Byzantium. Until now they cannot decide which of them is the heir to this empire ..
  25. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 14: 16
    +2
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    They have the vast majority of works of a banal revanchist nature.

    Where did you get this "information"? Do you keep statistics? Do you know the Bulgarian language well?

    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    Everyone around is bad, everyone hates them, they alone are good.

    Just your staty is trying to show that some Serbs are good, and all the neighbors are soooooooo bad! In general, most of your comments on different topics are in the same vein. I personally think that there are no bad people, but there are bad people!

    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    It was from this "goodness" that they recognized Kosovo, and NATO in 1999 provided their country for basing during the bombing of Yugoslavia.

    The recognition of Kossovo was a mistake and few people in Bulgaria consider it correct. I still have not met a single ordinary Bulgarian who would be in favor! Regarding NATO AGGRESSION against Yugoslavia and the attitude of the Bulgarians towards it, I quote in words Yugoslav ambassador to Sofia prof. Dr. Radosh Smilkovich data from 05.11.1999: "I have a pleasant feeling that the Bulgarian people DO NOT ACCEPT AND DO NOT APPROVE NATO's eventual military action against the FRY with regard to Kossovo! Bulgarian citizens, Bulgarian non-political and public organizations, like many politicians and parties, express their solidarity with us! There are those who are ready to sign up as volunteer to us! As for your parliament and government, there is no comment here. I will only express regret. "
    Bearing in mind the ten-year contradictions between us and Serbia, I will give one more clarification: the Bulgarian authorities reacted rather restrained to the NATO action over Yugoslavia! According to the agreement signed at 28.04.1999 between Bulgaria and NATO, the air assets of PACT have the RIGHT ONLY ON TRANSIT FLIGHT THROUGH THE TERRITORY OF BULGARIA TO DIRECTION OUTSIDE YUGOSLAVIA! Flying TO YUGOSLAVIA IS NOT ALLOWED since Bulgaria declares its neutrality! That is, in fact, NATO receives permission to fly only if the NATO aircraft is forced to / damage or emergency / need to exit through the Bulgarian territory. At the same time, more than 500 / according to unofficial data / Bulgarian citizens cross the border illegally and participate in the war on the side of the Serbs.
  26. alicante11
    alicante11 April 21 2016 15: 04
    +4
    What is the main problem in Bulgaria? This is a country of unrealized potential. And an example of Russia's geopolitical defeat. This country in terms of population and economic power was a ready leader in the Balkans. Moreover, even such a geopolitical factor as the absence of borders with the Great Powers spoke for the leadership of Bulgaria (Turkey was no longer a VD). Those. Bulgaria was as free as possible in matters of protecting the rights and interests of the Balkan peoples, because it was simply more difficult to get it. At the same time, one must understand the fact that the Balkans, in general, were a relatively weak region in comparison with Austria-Hungary, Russia, France or Britain or Germany, and therefore were forced to coordinate their positions with those of the VD. And therefore Bulgaria failed to become the leader of the Balkans. She was stupidly not allowed to do this, well, the West did not need a strong leader in the Balkans. Because it will be pro-Russian and anti-Western and the region will be subject to Russia. And Russia, in turn, failed to "nurture" its leader. First, the West, and then Russia on its lead, unfortunately bet on another favorite - the Serbs. Serbia, although it was also relatively pro-Russian, was weaker than Bulgaria, and the conflict between them further weakened the region. Serbia was under threat from the Austro-Hungarian Empire and therefore, well, it could not "keep in a fist" the Bulgarian "communal apartment". Moreover, she set Russia up, dragging her into PMA. yes, and as Yugoslavia, too, twisted his tail all the time, Tito played in a multi-vector approach, for which his follower, Milosevic, paid the price. Although if the Balkans were united under the leadership of Bulgaria, with the military assistance of Russia, they would be able to repel the aggression of the Austrians and not involve Russia in a completely unnecessary war. So for all the problems that we had and have with Bulgaria, we must thank tsarism, which, having liberated the Bulgarians, abandoned them to their fate, and did not lead them tightly holding the hand to turn the Balkans into a pro-Russian region under the auspices of Bulgaria.
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 21 2016 15: 16
      +4
      You are not a relative of Tsar Ferdinand by chance he would have approved your match very much, the Bulgarians sent tsarism further away as soon as possible, there was no need to drive them.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 21 2016 15: 45
        +2
        tsarism was sent by the Bulgarians far further as soon as they were right away, they were driving by the hand for nothing.


        Well, about "sent", you're wrong. For one simple reason. A regional power cannot "send" a Great Power. This is very fraught with her. As well as if you do not lead a regional power by the hand, then it will be beaten, because it is dangerous to everyone around. After all, the elite of each state wants more land and money. And if there is no VD behind the back of a regional power, it will still be torn apart. This is exactly what happened with Bulgaria. Russia itself abandoned its project of Great Bulgaria. Including because of their weakness. Tsarism was already retreating and could not insist on its vision of the development of the region.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon April 21 2016 16: 27
          0
          You have an interesting logic: Serbia dragged Russia into WWII, that is, it was necessary to recognize Serbia as an Austrian protectorate, but for Great Bulgaria, it was necessary to fight with all of Europe without a single ally.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 22 2016 10: 52
            +3
            You have interesting logic, Serbia - Russia was dragged into the WWI, that is, it was necessary to recognize Serbia as an Austrian protectorate,


            From the point of view of the royal authority - yes. This made it possible to preserve the monarchy for some time.

            but for Great Bulgaria it was necessary to fight with all of Europe without a single ally.


            No need to speculate for me. I only said what I said. If Russia had supported Bulgaria economically and politically in time, would have made it gradually the hegemon in the Balkans, it would not have had to fight for it. They themselves, together with their "younger brothers" Serbs, Romanians and Greeks, would have fought back from Austria.
            1. SokolfromRussia
              April 22 2016 10: 56
              +1
              Oh, this is a fairy tale. By 1878, Serbia was already autonomous, had its own army, developed the economy. The Bulgarians, having done nothing for liberation, were stupidly sitting in the Ports. So why should Russia have to bet on them?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 22 2016 15: 08
                +4
                Oh well, this is a fairy tale. By 1878, Serbia was already autonomous, had its own army, developed its economy.


                Well, because it was more removed from the OI metropolis, therefore it was freed earlier.

                So why should Russia have relied on them?


                I have already explained. Bulgaria had a larger population and greater economic potential. And therefore, it would be a better leader.
                1. SokolfromRussia
                  April 22 2016 15: 49
                  +1
                  Please confirm the data on "economic potential". The population of Bulgaria consisted of yesterday's Turkish serfs, the industry was absent as a bourgeoisie under communism.
                  1. Uncle Murzik
                    Uncle Murzik 27 December 2016 08: 46
                    0
                    SokolfromRussia and then alicante11 immediately disappeared lol
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 27 December 2016 08: 44
          0
          and what was TITO by nationality was a Serb?
      2. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 02: 47
        +6
        Do you, dear Cartalon, even know that the Russian emperor first approved Prince Batemberg (a heavily fraudulent slander) on the Bulgarian throne, and then, in 1885, after the unification of the Principality of Bulgaria with Southern Rumelia, he removed and in his place approved Ferdinand (strongly pro-German)?
    2. Wolf
      Wolf April 21 2016 15: 27
      -2
      It is naive to analyze, even without Serbs, WWI happened to be bise and NATO b attacked Russia! called strength aspen! Russia and there was an emphasis on the Bolgar Kosh in the 19th century and the consequences are known for Sv., And how many really silan and important in the Balkans speaks of WWII and WWII and 1999., where the main blow of NATO is the biological names on Serbs in the former Yugoslavia! And they fought with all their might in the WWI (SERBI defeated Austro-Hungarian imperial army against Ceru and Kolubari, they fled to Vienna for rasul, and then in 1918 they defeated the front front of two allies in a place with the volunteer Belogardeksky Russian division of Solunski) and in the Second World War where they shouted. 250.000 Germans on Helm and 400.000-1991 where the weight of NATO 1999 malinozhchinkih countries attacked Serbia! So the Serbs are in a place somewhere around 19 and NATO did more air strikes and raids than in Iraq and Libya and Afghanistan in place!
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 21 2016 15: 53
        +6
        besides and without Serbs, PMV happened bi


        Not a fact, not a fact. In Russia, there was a very powerful party of peace with Germany. Including and because many understood the weakness of the Empire. So if Russia had not been caught on a Serbian hook, it could well have slipped from it. True, would it be better for the country? the decay of tsarism is not several decades old, and the failure of the WWI level in a motorized war such as WWII could radically solve the Russian problem.

        where the main blow of NATO bio names on Serbs have beaten


        Honestly, you are very difficult to understand. And so it’s very difficult to argue. In the 99 year, I say again, the Serbs themselves chose their fate when maneuvering between the USSR and NATO. While there was someone to maneuver between, you were on a horse, everyone needed you, everyone loved you. And as soon as the Union fell, you were also torn. Because Serbia, even in the configuration of Yugoslavia, is a regional power and alone cannot resist the Great Powers.
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 21 2016 16: 05
          -2
          It will be difficult to answer on the Russian hezik on the children comment! Rusia got to crook in WWI? Let’s beat the Syriozan, the WWI got it for many years before 1914! Rusia could have escaped WWI just as she could have escaped Napoleon's raid!
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 21 2016 16: 11
            +3
            Let’s beat the Syriozan, the WWI got it for many years before 1914!


            The day is clear that before. But Russia, too, was not an object of politics, but, nevertheless, a subject, albeit weakening. And, given that Russia had no serious interests in WWI, its task as a subject was to avoid war, frustrating the plans of the insolent Saxon "partners."
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 21 2016 16: 19
              -2
              Alicante, Rusiјu were torn apart from the inside in the middle of the 19th century by force, and they were torn apart by what they had occupied. She beat her with the subject ali and was taken prisoner for the Anglo-Saxon "partner" She could not escape the WWI! How can you avoid a warrior if someone comes to you with an army?
            2. Cartalon
              Cartalon April 21 2016 16: 35
              +4
              It's funny how the controversial thesis is used as a proven fact, Russia was not weakening and it could have the wrong goal but the straits, which can not be said about the Germans who wanted toli colonies toli respect, the British who wanted to sink the German fleet even though it was not dangerous to them.
              1. nedgen
                nedgen April 22 2016 18: 43
                +2
                Well, I’m not very aware of all the reasons for Russia’s involvement in the WWII, but the fact that Russia didn’t even have a quarter of the potential of the USSR in 39 is a fact. To talk about this and the lack of any kind of own engine building for aircraft, and the lack of everything in the army and especially heavy artillery (even before the 18th year) about the impossibility of building in series even those pelvis under the name of tanks and do not say. Yes, in 1914 it was on the rise BUT the industry in the Russian Empire was still very weak. See how long it took the Russian industry to build battleships such as Sevastopol and Empress Maria (and these battleships correspond more likely to Dreadnought - the first battleship in the world than their contemporaries) Yes, and what kind of industry rise can we talk about if all the universities of Russia released only 1914 for the whole empire in 5000 graduates of ALL specialties. So after all, even in small Bulgaria, only engineers in 1988 released more universities.
          2. Wolf
            Wolf April 21 2016 16: 13
            -3
            As for the fact that Serbs themselves were vibrating their fate, it’s not serialized! Serbia is a Mali people and it is just that it’s hard to stay alive, beat it violently or will be ruined both in the WWII and the Great Patriotic War and 1991-1999 when there is a revision of the results of the Great Patriotic War in Europe and the renaissance of neo-fascism led by NATO! Besides this, the nada will look at the koga worked Ј. B Tito, he did not beat Serb, it’s a dress of analysis! Tito and the Masonic Jesuit organization of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia worked more for the west than the east and they played this game! ;)
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 21 2016 16: 39
              -1
              And there is one more truth, SERBY have never been beaten on the side of EVIL in their histories!, So the little men have always fought against evil both in the WWII, and the Second World War, and 1991-1999, if it is necessary that the little Serbs of the Serbia have weakened the world from NATO, it’s worthless ! wink
      2. parusnik
        parusnik April 21 2016 17: 54
        +7
        With the PMA ... here the situation is somewhat interesting .. the European powers wanted to start a war .. But without Russia, they didn’t want to fight .. It’s not for this that the war started, so that they could only run their guts .. An incident was necessary that Russia would surely get involved ... And Serbian nationalists were used as a dark horse, they themselves did not know what they were used for and for what purposes .. Everything was calculated to the smallest detail .. If it were not for five bullets in Sarajevo .. But what to say about it .. What happened, happened ..
    3. pytar
      pytar April 21 2016 16: 03
      +6
      alicante11 - Respect to you! hi Your relatively short text, explains absolutely objectively, everything that happened on the Balkans in the last hundred years. I rarely see comments with such a concentrated truth in them! good
      1. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx April 21 2016 17: 59
        -1
        Quote: pytar
        alicante11 - Respect to you! hi Your relatively short text, explains absolutely objectively, everything that happened on the Balkans in the last hundred years. I rarely see comments with such a concentrated truth in them! good

        alicante11 wrote enchanting nonsense and applaud him only as Zhvanetsky at a concert, although not funny.

        Quote: alicante11
        tsarism was sent by the Bulgarians far further as soon as they were right away, they were driving by the hand for nothing.


        Well, about "sent", you're wrong. For one simple reason. A regional power cannot "send" a Great Power. This is very fraught with her. As well as if you do not lead a regional power by the hand, then it will be beaten, because it is dangerous to everyone around. After all, the elite of each state wants more land and money. And if there is no VD behind the back of a regional power, it will still be torn apart. This is exactly what happened with Bulgaria. Russia itself abandoned its project of Great Bulgaria. Including because of their weakness. Tsarism was already retreating and could not insist on its vision of the development of the region.


        Can't send directly, but it's easy to ignore suggestions. Moreover, the Bulgarian tsar at that time was actually slightly ill with megalomania and decided to defect to Germany. What was Russia supposed to do? Send troops or arrange an "orange revolution"? Not our methods.
        Well, about "weakening" Russia, this is generally a pearl.

        Quote: alicante11
        Let’s beat the Syriozan, the WWI got it for many years before 1914!


        The day is clear that before. But Russia, too, was not an object of politics, but, nevertheless, a subject, albeit weakening. And, given that Russia had no serious interests in WWI, its task as a subject was to avoid war, frustrating the plans of the insolent Saxon "partners."

        Dadada, gather everyone and say "guys, let's live together" and Germany will immediately go to sink dozens of their dreadnoughts and bury their heavy guns in the ground.
        So after all it seemed to be already - in The Hague.
        When the whole world is preparing for war, when neighbors are creating huge armies and fleets, you need to arm yourself and look for allies and fight for these allies.
        1. but still
          but still April 21 2016 18: 47
          +5
          ... Moreover, the Bulgarian tsar at that time was actually slightly ill with megalomania and decided to defect to Germany. What was Russia supposed to do? To send troops or to organize an "orange revolution"? Not our methods.


          Yeah, and you read how even during Alexander II and on his recommendation, his nephew, Alexander Battenberg, became the Bulgarian prince. But after the death of Alexander II, the Bulgarian prince fell out of favor with Alexander III (read how he abolished his father’s reforms, strengthened the autocracy, took away the rights granted earlier from various social circles and broke many other firewood, which subsequently served as prerequisites for revolutions and civil war). So - Alexander III, not trained and not raised for the role of the emperor, pitting and overthrowing Alexander Battenberg, sent General Kaulbars to a mission in Bulgaria, who openly stirred up rallies and traveled around the country, organizing riots and provoking the entry of Russian troops to maintain order. In the end, Kaulbars himself broke off diplomatic relations with Bulgaria after the ultimatums he had set up and left. The Bulgarians offered the place of Prince Valdemar of Denmark, the brother of the wife of Alexander III, but the Russian emperor rejected this candidacy related to his family. Russia proposed some kind of Georgian prince, who himself, or helped him, refused to reign in Georgia and did not inspire confidence among the Bulgarians. For a long time, Bulgaria was in crisis without a monarch and had to send a delegation to search for an aristocrat who agreed to become the prince of Bulgaria and who would be approved by countries and great forces. Found Ferdinand. But Waldemar of Denmark could have been, but Alexander III did not agree.
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    4. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 18: 10
      +6
      Yes, and framed Russia, pulling it into WWII..That's not so simple .. Firstly, the assassination attempt was completely on the territory of Austria-Hungary and its citizens .. And the conflict could have been avoided .. but other mechanisms turned on .. Yes, it is clear Mladu Bosnu was supervised by Serbian intelligence .. Question who really was the curator of the Serbian intelligence ..? .. The most interesting thing is the results of the WWI .. Especially in relation to Serbia .. She was generously rewarded, Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina .. moreover .. when the Croats and Slovenes turned to France guys, here Austria-Hungary fell apart, we want our independent states, support eh? To which an answer was received to the figs, in the sense of a national Indian hut, only as part of the kingdom of Serbs and Croats .. Why did Europe have such a love for Serbs? It is unlikely that the Serbs showed themselves on the sidelines of the WWI ..
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 21 2016 18: 14
        -3
        There is not so simple. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, at the end of the PRC, the Serbs were the largest population group. In the territories of modern Croatia, they accounted for between a quarter and a third of the population. The state of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs really declared independence from Austria-Hungary. However, faced with the aggressive policy of Italy, it chose to unite with Serbia, which it wanted, besides the Serbs who lived there, there was also part of the Croats and Slovenes.

        And this was not a "reward", these territories were not a trophy of war. Moreover, as I wrote above, most of the population of Croatia and BiH consisted of Serbs.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik April 21 2016 19: 55
          +5
          However, faced with the aggressive policy of Italy, it preferred to join with Serbia,..I don’t argue..But it’s not only about this and who lived for how long, the most important thing is that this state did not receive political support from the Entente countries .. Then in 1918 these countries needed a unified Yugoslavia .. and not many Slavic states .. Then , it became unnecessary in the 90s ... it was destroyed, contrary to the Helsinki Agreements .. they found a justification .. And interestingly, the players are the same as in 1918 England, the USA, France and adjoining Germany .. It’s a strange coincidence that when creating that during the collapse ..And it was not a "reward"..But whether or not there was a "reward" .. we will hardly ever know ..
          1. SokolfromRussia
            April 21 2016 20: 17
            +1
            Yes you are right. The CXC Kingdom (with 1929 Yugoslavia) as one of the strongholds of the Versailles system.
  27. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 15: 15
    +7
    Quote: Trapper7
    Looking at the history of relations between Serbia and Bulgaria, for some reason it seems to me that Russia and Ukraine will not be reconciled either.
    Despite one faith, one story and some Slavic roots.
    Hope I'm wrong.

    Make peace! It's unavoidable! It just takes time! And an example of such a reconciliation is precisely the relationship between Bulgaria and Serbia now! Let no one put on the impression that the Bulgarian or Serb are now badly one to the other! For a long time, for a long time at the household level, our people get along fine. And for some time, the governments of both countries have been working on warming interstate relations. Neither Bulgaria nor Serbia NOW HAS ANY TERITORITICAL OR OTHER CLAIMS, ONE TO ANOTHER. Reading the comments here, by some "hot heads", one gets the impression of some kind of wild irresistible hatred between Bulgarians and Serbs. THERE IS NOTHING SUCH! In general, I consider all manifestations of ethnic hatred as manifestations of unhealthy judgment, especially when it comes to Slavic, Orthodox peoples. Sofa strategists and "experts" fantasize about Great Empires, while ordinary people visit their neighbors in Bulgaria, Macedonia or Serbia. Reconciliation between peoples has long been established, and politicians themselves understand that it is time for them to go in line with reality. With every year the relations between the Bolkan countries and peoples will improve.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf April 21 2016 15: 34
      +4
      I agree Pitar, the problem of politics is just "small" in Bulgaria and Serbia, and now they are working against the swag of the people and against Russia!
    2. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 20: 16
      +1
      And with some time, and the governments of both countries have been working on warming in interstate relations. Neither Bulgaria nor Serbia HAVE ANYTHING TERRITORIAL OR OTHER CLAIMS, ONE TO THE OTHER. Boyan..Here and speaking in Russian, well, what the hell, you Slavs do not want to unite .. Once all is well .. what bothers you .. as well as a bad dancer, legs? Is it really better to hang around Europe in a single South Slavic camp in search of work ... what is it for the South Slavic peoples to work together for themselves, mutually beneficial? Of course ... I will forward your question ... But it’s more difficult for us .. we lived together for 300 years .. now we’re sick ... not who decided that they turned out to be Ukrainians, it dawned on others that they are Belarusians .. as soon as this disease goes away .. we will be fine .. as before .. together .. For together we are strong, but we’ll break them alone ..
      1. pytar
        pytar April 22 2016 17: 21
        +5
        "So speaking in Russian, well, why the hell, you Slavs don't want to unite ..." - Alexey, all in due time ... To force some kind of unification in mind the federation, union, etc. It’s not worth it. When suitable conditions come, it will itself take place on a voluntary and conscious principle. In fact, the process of unification must go from bottom to top. The authorities simply must not interfere. What people want, it will be! I dare to see that a lot of what was in the way has already become a thing of the past. You know ... Here is the pseudo-historical statism under which we comment, it does not in any way benefit our peoples. Anyway, I’m sure that ordinary people - Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Croats, Slovene and everyone who is on the Balkans, will not allow them to be manipulated and used more for unclean purposes. Too much blood has been spilled. It’s time to build bridges, and not to spit and throw dirt, like a gentleman who composed this article.
  28. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 15: 57
    +3
    Quote: parusnik
    True, it is unlikely that it will ever be restored within the borders of its former kingdoms, but it is likely to unite with Macedonia / or with most of it / all the same...It is unlikely .. the Macedonians ... tired of you and the Serbs and Greeks .. It would be better if there was a Slavic Balkan Confederation in the Balkans ..

    Do not speak in the name of peoples. Especially if you do not belong to any of those discussed. My parents are Macedonians. Half of my relatives still live in Macedonia. You know ... many sincerely believe in the prediction of Vanga / she herself from Macedonia / that Macedonia and Bulgaria will unite, since we are one people. Let's see if she guesses, as she did many times! From the Greeks, if we had tensions in the past, now there is no mention of it. The border between us is open and people can communicate directly, without an ideology. Everything is fine, everything is human! Oh Serbs, I already said ... Absolutely there is no bad relationship between us. What form in the confederation or other political and economic unification is not only possible, but also very likely! A bunch of objective reasons work on it! Processes are sometimes relatively slow, but with respect to history, they are often just a moment.
    1. but still
      but still April 21 2016 16: 56
      +2
      No new associations, formations, confederations, etc. are needed! Stability is the main thing - step by step, to slowly improve the life of citizens of the country. Bulgaria was the first to recognize the independence of Macedonia, Bulgaria has established good neighborly relations and maintains cultural contacts with Macedonia. Speaking of a possible future unification, you play into the hands of THOSE who want to destabilize the Balkans. In modern conditions, formal boundaries are far less important than cultural and economic relations. Look and take an example from Russia - of all the frozen conflicts (And Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Donbass), only Crimea has joined / reunited - the Crimean military base is of very strategic importance for Russia. All the rest of the above-mentioned unrecognized republics are still in an unrecognized and unconnected state, and it is understandable why. Karabakh is also frozen and acts on someone’s hand. So Peter, you don’t need to make any sudden movements in the Balkans - let's live in peace, good neighborliness and try to improve our lives and for our neighbors smile
    2. parusnik
      parusnik April 21 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Do not speak in the name of peoples.. History says .. Macedonia was almost completely at different time intervals and was part of Bulgaria and Serbia and Turkey and the Greeks lay claim to it .. For centuries, people were tired .. It was such a blessing to live separately with open borders .. why and no .. But .. it's not for long, the time will come unite .. everything .. the need will force ..
  29. pytar
    pytar April 21 2016 16: 10
    +7
    Quote: Wolf
    I agree Pitar, the problem of politics is just "small" in Bulgaria and Serbia, and now they are working against the swag of the people and against Russia!

    This is not a problem for Bulgaria or Serbia alone !!! In the world of most countries, they are ruled by corrupt elites who work against the interests of their countries and peoples! As with every EVIL, the end will come ... God has assigned MISIA to Russia, to give peoples hope, a better and more just life.
    1. but still
      but still April 21 2016 16: 31
      +5
      In Russia, God assigned MISIA to give nations hope for a better and more just life.


      belay I support Peter in the comments, although I only partially agree with some. But when someone says about God and the MISSION, this at least worries me ... I believe that every state is obliged to create the conditions for a better and fair life for its citizens. And live in good neighborliness. Having created prosperity for their own people, neighboring nations themselves will be drawn to a happy and successful.
      1. Wolf
        Wolf April 21 2016 16: 47
        -3
        But still ? So NATO needs to unite so, and Russia in itself and for its citizens? Do you have the country logic or is it the Masonic Red one? Citizens came up with Masonic and in Paris in 1789! ;) There are no citizens, only PEOPLE! But there is no truth in the force, truth in God the Frenchman Aleksandar Nevsky said to the celebrity! :) laughing
        1. but still
          but still April 21 2016 17: 53
          0
          Let's recall the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR in the first place ................. and what happened after that. Yes, NATO has accepted new countries into its ranks. Russia also formed the Collective Security Treaty Organization with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan .... Uzbekistan, too, seemed to be in this organization, but I did not know whether to leave or stay. So Russia is not in itself and also seeks to attract new countries to the organizations in which it is a member. Who attracted whom to their ranks and where there are more countries is another question. NATO needs reforms, in my opinion, it would be possible to create a military-defensive union within the EU.
      2. pytar
        pytar April 21 2016 17: 21
        +4
        Nice ...! About the mission, etc. I quoted the priests from the church. I see nothing wrong with that. winked And I agree with your opinion on the task of the states, good neighborliness and others. drinks
        1. but still
          but still April 21 2016 17: 57
          +3
          Ok, nazdrav drinks
  30. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 April 21 2016 16: 46
    +6
    I welcome everyone .. without fear of criticism and minuses I want to note this whole tangle of conflicts of contradictions in the Balkans at the beginning of the 20th century came from the inconsistent policy of Russia at the end of the 19th century, namely the cowardice shown by Alexander the second after the Russian-tour of the war of 1877-1878 during the revision of san-stefan agreement .. why did you have to go for a review in Berlin .. why again to make concessions to countries that did not closely participate in the war .. was the ghost of the Crimean or something ???? so the situation was completely different already ... France was in the deepest crisis ... the Austrian empire held on to parole ... the Prussia became Germany swallowed so much that it took time to digest this unification of the Germanic lands and Alsace .. Russia missed a real chance to become an arbiter in Balkan affairs ... oh yes England .. and to hell with it the contradictions in the division of the colonies in Africa and Asia between the Western powers would have played in our favor with smart politics, the Balkans would not have become them. and so it turned out so much money was invested in the war 15t dead. 56t wounded. 6t dead wounded .. and as a result of shish with .. even without oil and most importantly the Turks were not thrown out of the central Balkans .. Bulgaria was plagued for centuries by oppression. For the same time Montenegro ..but Austria got Bosnia and England this political prostitute cypriot. that the worst was a split between the Orthodox countries in the Balkans .. this might not be Russia had a solid consistent foreign policy in the south direction ... by the way, the problem with the straits could be solved, and the best option is to drive out aliens from Asia from Constantinople. who, besides despotism, did not give Europe anything, in particular to the Balkans ..
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 21 2016 17: 16
      -1
      The issue price should be given to Bismarck, France, and with it the whole of Europe, and to deplete the country by the war with Great Britain on the principle of a whale against an elephant.
    2. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 21 2016 17: 21
      +2
      Personally, I think that Skobelev’s order to accidentally occupy Constantinople was correct, but Alexander the second couldn’t be anything like Napoleon.
      1. 10 inches
        10 inches April 21 2016 20: 19
        +1
        but what would the Strait land be crossed over? Constantinople from the side of Bulgaria cannot be taken by the army, the fleet is needed. and it wasn’t there .. so the order can be given, but it’s unlikely to be executed.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon April 22 2016 14: 45
          0
          Seriously, you look at the map for reference
          1. 10 inches
            10 inches April 22 2016 18: 33
            -1
            but for you the news is that Constantinople is on both sides of the strait? and that the British fleet approached there and would never have allowed the capture of the city. It’s good that Kruchelev understood this, unlike you.
  31. alatanas
    alatanas April 21 2016 19: 43
    +2
    And the 7th Bulgarian division surrendered in full force near Veles

    Lying! One company from the 7th division was captured without a single shot, since it did not make any progress on the ground.
  32. Plamenvarna
    Plamenvarna April 22 2016 04: 56
    +3
    I leave the headline on the conscience of the author (once he banned me already)

    Holocaust in the territory of the former Yugoslavia:
    (just a few examples)

    The concentration camp in Samishte (created on the site of the old fair in Belgrade) in 1941 - more than 6'000 Jews were killed - women and children.
    At present, Serbs have built restaurants and sports on the site of the concentration camp. club and lived. multi-labels.
    ---
    Concentration camp in Topovsky Chupa
    Currently, Serbs sold the land of this concentration camp and abandoned warehouse to the Jewish oligarch Miroslav Miskovic (Delta holding) for 27'000 euros, for the construction of a trade center, business offices and amusement. institution.
    The little daughter on the forked wall of the warehouse reminds the Serbs of what the ladies were doing.
    ---
    The concentration camp in Jasenovac (Croatia) - (240 sq. Km.) Was created by the Croatian Ustash Ante Pavlevich, it includes the heel of the concentration camp, including:
    - for children !!! concentration camp in Sisak - about 20 children were killed there
    - Women's concentration camp in Stara Gradiska.
    According to various sources, 700'000 remained alive, about 100'000 were killed (more than 80'000 are indicated on the memorial)
    ---
    The total number of Jews killed in Yugoslavia is 70.
    ---
    Germany, Estonia and Serbia are three states in the world, in which it is officially declared - "a state in a state - free from Jews"
    Serbia became free from Jews in the 43rd rum, when 90% of its Jews had already been killed.
    ---
    Serbs, Croats and Bosnians slaughtered each other, and not only for political, but also for religious and ethnic reasons.
    And they were slaughtered not only during the Second World War, but throughout their history through short breaks.

    It will not be what the Serb neighbors conceived:
    - divert the attention of their own and the world community from their crimes;
    - to suggest that Serbs are whitewashed and writing, and criminals are always different;
    - to move from the state of "the leader of the camp of non-aligned states" from the time of Tito to the camp of the Russian Federation.

    The time when we sat on two chairs was gone.
    The time when they were proud to say - "we suck from two nannies" - the USSR and the West ... and this, too, has sunk into years.
    None of the greats are needed.
    Why were YOUR territory not relevant? Scratched your great Serb chauvinism?
    So many people were killed, including the Bulgarians from Western Pokryn.
    Nevashi were the children of the territory and the people of the people during the Yugoslav Artificial Federation, who became still ours after your collapse.
    Blame yourself.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 22 2016 10: 30
      +1
      Also in the quote book. Serbia in WWII was occupied. And, unlike Croatia, concentration camps were created by the Germans there. In addition to the Jews there were killed a huge number of Serbs themselves.
      I will also write about the genocide of the Serbs from the Bulgarians in 1941-1944, do not worry.
    2. Wolf
      Wolf April 22 2016 20: 36
      -2
      For sve that bi knew! A book from raia vishla nada teaches se! The end camp Staro Saimiste beat then in Croatia ND not Serbia! ;) Croatia beat like Bulgaria in a union with Germany and Hitler! In Kasenovec and Staroi Gradiska, more than 700.000 Serbs were killed; Jews there were few beaters there! Hebrews in Yugoslavia killed Nemtsi and their Allies WEATHER from Croatia, DO NOT SERBI! Serbs tried to conceal a woman’s script and the children of the Jews of the Holy War !!! Even SERBI saved the lives of Madeleine Olbrát and her 1941 father in Belgrade, which the European girl thanked the Serbs with the bombing of 1995 and 1999! ;)
      1. but still
        but still April 22 2016 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: Wolf
        For sve that bi knew! A book from raia vishla nada teaches se! The end camp Staro Saimiste beat then in Croatia ND not Serbia! ;) Croatia beat like Bulgaria in a union with Germany and Hitler! In Kasenovec and Staroi Gradiska, more than 700.000 Serbs were killed; Jews there were few beaters there! Hebrews in Yugoslavia killed Nemtsi and their Allies WEATHER from Croatia, DO NOT SERBI! Serbs tried to conceal a woman’s script and the children of the Jews of the Holy War !!! Even SERBI saved the lives of Madeleine Olbrát and her 1941 father in Belgrade, which the European girl thanked the Serbs with the bombing of 1995 and 1999! ;)


        Milan Achimovich, Milan Nedich, concentration camp Banitsa, Svetlozar Vuykovich, Georgi Kosmayach, Bosko Vecharevich ... continue? White and fluffy you are ours!
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 22 2016 21: 07
          +1
          What are you talking about? Bahitsa was only beating for the SERBES, where did their fascists kill, where did you learn this?
    3. Wolf
      Wolf April 22 2016 20: 44
      -1
      Is Vama’s flame of imprecision in your viscous? Where did vi teach history? Apart from the USSR, the ONE Serbs fought in Europe against the Nazis and the Bulgarian, among other things! Sway and the rest like a sheep bowed their heads and did not look at Hitler's EVIL!
      1. Wolf
        Wolf April 22 2016 20: 45
        +1
        Scored and the Greeks and they fought against the Germans! , so the British rewarded them with a civilian warrior 1945-49! wink
    4. Wolf
      Wolf April 22 2016 21: 05
      +1
      Yeshe, what bi taught all who Serbi? 27. March 1941. Begins a large demonstration in Belgrade against the trophy of the pact Kotori with Hitler wrote Knes Pavle! Names of SERBI in SERBIA in BELGRADE! , not Croatia, not Slovenzi, not Macedonzi! Rationally and in a certain way, they cleverly beat the beats, they turn their heads to the side and do not look at what Hitler is doing with Goodmi in Europe! Someone said that Serbia do not be smart, he knows! Do you think it is serial that the Serbian people of 1941 did not know that the military was powerful in Hitler, that they would not bother us? Without a warrior with Hitler, the Serbs probably didn’t beat the bi, and neither Croatia nor their end of the logo Staro Saјmiste, Јasenovac and Gradiska killed almost 1.000.000 Orthodox Serbs! THERE WERE KNOWING SERBI WELL! BUT STARTED AND Fought! The same thing happened in 1991-1999, when novi Hitler, in the person of NATO, organized and carried out the collapse of the former Yugoslavia, but ONE SERBI could have fought as much as they could, no one helped, did not even sell weapons! And I am proud of the HEROES OF THE PEOPLE OF THE PEOPLE AND 1914, AND 1941 AND 1991 AND 1999! How did the Bulgars lead themselves to UTB during this time, they became NATO as the SERVERS of the new Hitler! And what you already knew, NATO is planning and will further develop Serbia, they are already doing it in Macedonia! Vi Bulgarian collaborationist with NATO do not expect mercy more than Serbs, in case of a claim or God forbid invasion of eastern Serbia, both the WWI and WWII did not have the same Habsburg cotri that makes it clear that bi Serbia did not hang in Bulgaria in 1918, the Serbian army went to Sofiu, defeating the Germans on the Solun Front! and even if NATO attacks Russia, it’s all new with Helm! ;) 500.000 NATO Nazi soldiers will be occupied by SERBES! ;) wink
  33. timyr
    timyr April 22 2016 05: 09
    +4
    Quote: Cro-Magnon
    Those. from the point of view of the Bulgarians, it was the Serbs who pressed on Russia so that Bulgaria would receive reduced territory and reduced independence ..?! For what did the Greeks and Serbs get WHAT? Speak more clearly ...

    I wrote the Greeks and Serbs were not innocent, which were suddenly attacked by the Bulgarians for no reason. Ask a question, then write. An example of Solun or Thessaloniki tells you something. How were the Greeks there and who freed her from the Turks.
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 22 2016 09: 17
      -3
      Well, yes, Thessaloniki is an old Bulgarian city, when the rights of Bulgaria did not belong, but these are trifles.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 22 2016 12: 06
        +4
        Quote: Cartalon
        Well, yes, Thessaloniki is an old Bulgarian city, when the rights of Bulgaria did not belong, but these are trifles.

        At the beginning of the 20th century, 118 000 people live in Solun / Thessaloniki /. Of these, 10 000 Bulgarians, 26 000 Turks, 16 000 Greeks, 55 000 Jews, 2500 Gypsies and 8500 others. That is the Jews make up the majority! They are descendants of Sepharadic Jews who escaped from the persecution of the Spanish Inquisition after 1492 and settled in the majority of their cities. From these statistics it can be seen that the Bulgarian population in the cities is not much smaller than the Greek, but the wallpaper of ethnic groups is a minority. At that time, outside the walls of the city in the entire Solun region, the Bulgarian population is an absolute majority! The situation is this - the Solun region is populated with Bulgarians as minorities, and the regional center of the city of Solun is international in population composition.
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 23 2016 18: 23
          -3
          Solun od Nemagiћa always beat under the Serbs, until the Ottoman invasion in the 15th century! ;) wink
      2. nedgen
        nedgen April 22 2016 19: 06
        +3
        And under what agreement was Solun supposed to leave Bulgaria? However, Solun was never Greek until 1912. It was the property of the first Byzantine and then the Ottoman Empire. And only then became Greek. Well, the fact that Ferdinand wanted the glory of the Vasilevs is another matter
  34. pytar
    pytar April 22 2016 11: 36
    +6
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    From the comments on this article from the Bulgarians, I collected a good quote book and translated it into Serbian. Your comment will take one of the first places in it. wink

    You finally admitted for what purpose wrote etu fake from beginning to end static! You provoke people and then put their comments on the Serbian sites, so that set up the Serbs against the Bulgarians! I hope that the Serbian people, quite sane and aware of what harm people do to him like you!
  35. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 14: 53
    +2
    The article is full with falsehood, and not true.
    But there are a few moments that need to be noted.
    1) Why did thousands of Bulgarian wars participate in the liberation of Serbia, but did not participate in the Bulgarian liberation of Serbs?
    2) why did the Serbs attack Bulgaria several days after the union of northern and southern Bulgaria in 1885?

    And for the Russians who have any kind of opinion, the question to them is why why more than 500 Russian-speaking people have emigrated to Bulgaria now?
    These people found their new home here, bought housing here, and you know, they gave them the right to participate in regional politics, in those areas where their compact settlement eats.
    You probably know that in Serbia there are no such emigrants, there are no more than 100 Russians, not thousands, there simply aren't, and 100 people who left there live.
    Think earlier than the writers, if someone here is not harasho, why so many have found their new homeland, or just bought a house here?
    We are very harasho with all people from the Soviet Union, and if someone does not know then he does not look at the facts.

    This is for a start !!
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 22 2016 15: 31
      -2
      What nonsense. In Belgrade alone, 10 000 Russians live.
      For starters, you fought against Russia in World War I and World War II. You have disrupted South Stream and are supplying Ukraine with weapons used to kill Russian people in Donbass.
      The time of Bulgarian fairy tales has passed. Internet anonymous users like you can write anything, but the actions of your country in Russia see very well.
  36. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 15: 02
    +4
    And for the First World War, yes, dralis with the Russians, but dralis with the British and French, and you know, they set a world record in the battle for the Chern River, then they killed so many English and French and lost a lot less, and the difference in% is a record .
    But what the British and French did, you don’t know, at a military parade in London in 1936, the parade was dedicated to the First World War, it’s just before the Bulgarian general, the one who commanded our soldiers in this battle, put his banners down in front of him, in honored by his military genius.
    I think that a valiant person should do so, admit the greatness of their opponents.
    Our general Kolev defeated the Cossack troops in Dobrudja, but this is not a reason for our pride, it is a pain that they fought.
    Bulgaria is a small country, but at the beginning of the 20th century our wars were one of the best in the world.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      April 22 2016 15: 32
      +1
      Ahahahaha, the best in the world and always lost. And in the Second Balkan War lost, and lost the First World War. Lost everywhere. Even now you have no army.
      Please write more, I collect a collection of comments from the Bulgarian chauvinists.
    2. SokolfromRussia
      April 22 2016 15: 48
      +1
      Yes, my little Bulgarian storyteller. According to the 2011 census, 9978 Russians lived in Bulgaria. So you are either delirious, telling tales about 500 000 Russians here, or you don’t bite after brandy.
      "It is necessary to have a snack" (c) "Ivan Vasilievich is changing his profession."
  37. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 16: 17
    +3
    Firstly, there are no plain Russians in Belgrade, and secondly, in our village south of Burgas, there are cities where there are more than 10 sisters.

    And most importantly, it is clear that you are not very knowledgeable, or rather not video questions!
    But the most important question is - WHY SERBIA BULGARIA ATTACKED IN 18185, FORGOTTEN Surely HOW AFTER THERE A GREAT ATTACK ATTENTION I BROKEN THE SERBES?
  38. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 16: 23
    +2
    It is clear that you do not just read but do not know:
    http://clubz.bg/12662-400_000_rusnaci_jiveqt_postoqnno_u_nas

    This is the most important thing - "And the spread of the danny to the Generalnoto consulate to the Ruskata federation, itself, is often copied to the country ima 500 property from the Russian origin."
    This translation, according to the Russian consulate in Bulgaria, more than 500 000 Russian has housing.
    With us, a few days ago, the Russians acquired the right to have their own television, and the resort of Kamchia is fully owned by the Moscow government!
  39. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 16: 29
    +3
    Falcon you probably don't know anything at all, the First World War was lost by the Allies from the Central Union, and the Entente was defeated, but it doesn't matter, I say that our hereral was honored in another's parade for the First World War.
    As for the Second World War, the Bulgarian general was definitely present at the podium in the parade in Moscow, there was no Serbian there.
    Where and whom my dralis does not matter, it is important that after both the first and second war our generals were respected and respected among the winners.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf April 23 2016 18: 32
      -4
      Cap Petko Respect for Peace to the Warrior and your predecessor of deeds and your predecessor to the General, also for the Second World War! Didn’t you really see what you did in WWI and WWII? TRAITORS beat and allies of the enemy! You can only look at your role in WWI and WWII from the point of view! Hitler's allies didn’t beat љudi, but animals! In the second world warrior, you can thank Ј. B. Titus ochim much! and vi and Nemtsi! And why did not beat the SERB Generals in Moscow in the parade after the 2nd warrior, you should ask the traitor Ј. B. Tito! wink
  40. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 16: 37
    +2
    Here read - a little Serbian unfamiliar with history:
    Among the most notable moments of Vladimir Vazov's life was his visit to England in 1936. The British legion celebrated the British victory in World War I. The British veterans invited one of their worthiest opponents on the battlefield. He was personally greeted by Lord Milne, who shook his hand with the words "It is a pleasure to meet the Bulgarian delegation, as even though we were enemies, you - like us - fought not only like brave men, but also like gentlemen. " The British paid great honor to General Vazov as they lowered their national flags in his name. The chairman of the British legion Major Goldy said in his speech: “He is one of the few foreign officers whose name features in our history”.
  41. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 16: 42
    0
    http://www.lostbulgaria.com/?p=2579

    general right in the photo UTB Bulgarian general Vladimir Stoychev !!!

    This can never be seen from the Sreb wars, because they are cowards.
    I’ll say again, it doesn’t matter who dralis is with, it matters like dralis, and how then the winners respect us.
    As you see in the photo there is our general !!
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 22 2016 16: 49
      0
      You coped with the task of making Bulgaria an even more unpleasant country for me, after 50 years you will need to save the Turks again from your best friends, it’s good that I’m dying by that time.
  42. SokolfromRussia
    April 22 2016 17: 00
    -4
    All right, now no kidding. I do not care about Bulgaria and its storytellers, whom so many came here in the comments. However, I, like every Russian, can assess the policy of Bulgaria towards my country.
    So the fact is that throughout history, Bulgaria has been pursuing an extremely aggressive policy towards Russia.

    Both world wars, you were among our opponents and fought against us. You joined NATO and set up their bases. You disrupted South Stream, the Belene nuclear power plant project. You are currently supplying weapons to Ukraine. Such is your gratitude for the fact that our soldiers freed you from Turkish oppression.

    Fortunately, Russia is not blind. And we will not forget your treachery.

    All the best, deceitful "brothers".
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 22 2016 17: 10
      -3
      The bulk of the population in Russia does not know these subtleties and will gladly support the next campaign to help brothers
    2. 10 inches
      10 inches April 22 2016 18: 27
      +4
      fortunately you are far from the whole of Russia .. move on ... with God .. even though I am not a Bulgarian ..
  43. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 17: 09
    +3
    Sokol, it doesn't matter to you if you know why South Stream, it doesn't matter for this state, business is another topic.

    And where it’s not up to you to enter, it’s clear that you don’t understand anything at all, they gave such nice conditions for the Russians where there is nowhere in the world.

    Enough with this "little brother", I respect your people, but not because the little brothers and how there, but because your culture is closer to ours, and because you have accepted the culture from us.

    And the attitude does not interest me for sure, it is important that 500 think differently, and there is so much to no other country in our region. When you understand that ok.

    When you teach that it does not matter who against whom you once fought, it matters that he is a good war, and he must be respected. So did the British, so did the Russians, when our general participated in the parade in Moscow.
  44. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 17: 12
    +3
    The Turks are not our friends, if you need to be reminded how a year has passed, your president was very good friend with the Turks, when you had the hope that they are your friends.
    Is it necessary or not to send a photo like Erdogan bail samy important guest for open metec in Moscow ??

    So look better at your home than talk about others, okay?
  45. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 17: 17
    +2
    For the fact that we deliver weapons to Ukraine, don’t write anymore, the fact is not proven. And there is your problem, what you did not have time to do so that did not come to power, those who came are your fault.
    I don’t know who we are delivering the weapon to, but it’s business, I don’t say anything about business, or don’t know how Armenians say they are having problems with Azeris, Armenians say why you deliver Azeri weapons, don’t know that Armenians are the best friends of yours in this region why lose them?
    So before writing to anyone who supplied weapons, think about yourself, understand?
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 22 2016 17: 25
      0
      Yes, you do what you want, the main thing is that no one would ever think of pulling out when you climb to divide Macedonia again, and as I understand it today, you climb, there are Albanians from the other side, you can stir up a lot of interesting things, good luck on the road.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        April 22 2016 17: 33
        -4
        Communicating with such characters is a waste of time. They live in a poor country, where from 10 for years 2 has escaped a million people, and they are trying to invent a great story for themselves ...
        Added these storytellers to the blacklist, so as not to waste time on them.
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 22 2016 22: 48
        -1
        Quote: Cartalon
        the main thing for me is that it would never occur to anyone to pull out when you climb again to divide Macedonia, but as I understand it today you will climb,


        Nobody will pull them out anymore, I'm sure, and-ENOUGH! "By herself, by herself" (C). lol
        And there is no one to climb there - the youth scattered and continues to scatter, the Turkish and Gypsy population is growing much faster than the Bulgarian, where else to climb?
        Well, if, nevertheless, they climb, then again lose it Its territory like this IS ALWAYS was with these unlucky clever men ... yes
  46. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 17: 29
    +4
    Macedonia is our "Ukraine", the communists created a false "Macedonian people", all the people who lived there before the First World War never thought of themselves as "Macedonian people". The Macedonian people began their existence after one congress of the Communist International.
    As he said before that the writers on the Balkan problems take better care of their own.
  47. pytar
    pytar April 22 2016 17: 31
    +4
    Quote: Cartalon
    Yes, you do what you want, the main thing is that no one would ever think of pulling out when you climb to divide Macedonia again, and as I understand it today, you climb, there are Albanians from the other side, you can stir up a lot of interesting things, good luck on the road.

    Kosovo is Serbia, but Macedonia is Bulgaria! There is another difference ... Kossovo, it is unlikely that it will soon return to Serbia, but Macedonia and Bulgaria will unite sooner or later, since we are one people!
  48. Cap.Petko
    Cap.Petko April 22 2016 17: 36
    +3
    I think so too - Kosovo UTB Serbia!
    Macedonia is Bulgaria, because there are no Macedonians, these are real Bulgarians.
  49. but still
    but still April 22 2016 18: 44
    +2
    Pitar, Petko, our competitors only expected this from you, you succumbed to their provocation crying And you will be quoted by those who once said that supposedly Albania and Bulgaria want to divide Macedonia. And they want to attract Macedonia to themselves. Here you are screaming like a football campaign, scoring your own goal (and not only yourself, but the whole team, and me too). That's right - go slower - you will continue. And again, cultural and economic relations are more important than formal boundaries. No need to touch borders, connect, etc. etc.

    And now I congratulate everyone on this unique performance:

  50. pytar
    pytar April 22 2016 19: 54
    +4
    Quote: but still
    Pitar, Petko, our competitors only expected this from you, you succumbed to their provocation crying And you will be quoted by those who once said that supposedly Albania and Bulgaria want to divide Macedonia. And they want to attract Macedonia to themselves. Here you are screaming like a football campaign, scoring your own goal (and not only yourself, but the whole team, and me too). That's right - go slower - you will continue. And again, cultural and economic relations are more important than formal boundaries. No need to touch borders, connect, etc. etc.


    A third of the Bulgarian people are descendants of refugees from Macedonia! These are those hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians who took their kids in their arms, leaving their homes, cornfields and fields fled to escape from the Serbs and Greeks! Who was lucky escaped, who was unlucky stayed there and was forced to hide his Bulgarian origin decade after decade! I am one of those Bulgarians whose ancestors fled to Free Bulgaria after 1913! Half of my relatives still live in Macedonia! So Macedonia, it’s MY land, the land of my grandfather and great-grandfather! I shit who and how will quote my statements! Our business is RIGHT BUSINESS AND GOD IS FOR US! We will not share with anyone, what is OUR! And let the Serbs no longer climb to us in Macedonia! Macedonia and the people there, decide for himself what his future will be! If you want to remain independent independent countries, then Bulgaria does not mind! How can I be against the wishes of my brother !? And if they want to unite with us, then so be it! We are one nation and there is no difference between us! All the lies, the whole deception of which were driven between us, are already taitsa and will be taitsa until nothing remains of it!
    1. but still
      but still April 22 2016 20: 20
      0
      You're right. But do not forget that Bulgaria has experienced 2 national disasters due to the unfair rejection of the Bulgarians in Macedonia from the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. In addition, the desire to reunite the Bulgarians can be a provocation and a trap that can turn into a new disaster. The great powers in the 19th century brought so much evil to the peoples, artificially in their own and only in their own interests, drawing the borders of the restored states on the territory of the former Ottoman Empire ... So to this day - the Middle East and .... "Europe's powder keg - the Balkans "... I don't want a powder keg to explode again in the Balkans! If ever there are favorable conditions without the slightest risk of holding a referendum with the approval of the "world community", then yes! But I do not believe that such conditions will ever come. Hope I am wrong.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 22 2016 20: 35
        +5
        You, too, are right at some stage, but how much longer will we remain silent and suffer untruth? How many more generations? You cannot pay for peace with the price of silence! After reading this article, we know for sure that it is a fake directed against the Bulgarians, against the Serbs and against the Russians in the long run!
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 27 December 2016 08: 56
          0
          According to the 2002 census, the total population in the Republic of Macedonia was 2 inhabitants [022], including:
          Macedonians - 1 297 981 (64,18%)
          Albanians - 509 (083%)
          Turks - 77 (959%)
          gypsies - 53 (879%)
          Serbs - 35 (939%)
          Bosnians - 17 018 (0,84%)
          Arumins - 9695 (0,48%)
          others - 20 (993%) And where are the Bulgarians here?