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Fig in Israeli: Golan Heights

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Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu goes to Putin. Apparently, there is something to discuss and what to talk about. At least because on Sunday, April 17 (Sunday, if anyone does not know, in Israel is a working day), the Israeli government held its outing session there for the first time in 49 years of occupation of the Golan Heights.


Fig in Israeli: Golan Heights


Spectacular demonstration, especially if we take into account the fact that the office of the head of the Israeli government was distributed after the speech.

"It is clear to everyone that Israel is not the source of the problems in the Golan, but the way to resolve them."

"The Golan Heights will forever remain in the hands of Israel, Israel will never retreat from the Golan Heights."

"The border will not be moved, no matter how events develop on the other side."

On the other side of it - this is understandable, in Syria.

Actually, Mr. Netanyahu has stated everything quite succinctly and clearly.

One thing is not clear: what world problems does Israel solve through occupation? So far there is only one problem: an absolutely illegal occupation of the Golan Heights by Israel and absolute spit on Syrian demand (well, they have a war there, albeit reconciled today), and on the demand of the UN Security Council.

Meanwhile, the resolution No. 242 of the UN Security Council was never canceled. It was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, at the 1382 meeting.

But no one (meaning Israel) rushed to execute it.

And the UN Security Council resolution 497 of December 17 of 1981 considers this area a part of the Syrian occupied territories. And this resolution was issued after the Israeli Knesset that same December 1981 extended its jurisdiction to the territory of the Golan.

A few words about the Golan itself. Until the famous events of half a century ago, 147 lived in the territory of the Golan Heights thousands of people. The center is the city of Quneitra.

After Israel conquered these territories during the Six Day War in 1967, most of the Arabs who lived there left. There are about 7 thousand Druze, mostly in the north of Golan.

And Israelis simply flattened the ground for Quneitra. The city is virtually uninhabited so far. After proper "treatment", it seemed to have been transferred to Syria, but in fact Kuneitra is in neutral territory.

Today, about 40 thousands of people live in the Golan. Approximately half are Druzes who are loyal to Israel, and half are Israeli citizens for whom 1967 has been built since 34.

After the occupation of the Golan Heights, Israeli fortified posts were equipped here with electronic equipment for reconnaissance. The largest stations of electronic intelligence are located on Mount Hermon (60 km from Damascus), as well as at the heights of Hermonite, Tel-Fares, Avital and Booster. Since 2011, the mining of the border areas has been repeated, in 2012, the construction of the wall along the entire demarcation line has begun.

And why Israel does not want to part with the Golan? Gaza - even tomorrow take away, the Jordan coast - today. But the Golan - never.

As the Israeli military says, the natural topography of the Golan is ideal for ensuring the security of Israel on the eastern borders. And the loss of the Golan, from the heights of which almost half of Israel freely sweeps, significantly reduces its defenses.

Yes, you can agree. Indeed, from 1948 to 1967, Syria shelled Israel from the heights. During the shelling, 140 people died. Over 19 years. On average 7 people per year. If we study the statistics of the strained relations between Israel and Palestine, the part where the figures of Israeli losses from Palestinians are given, it becomes ridiculous. Palestinian knives and pistols are more effective than Syrian artillery.

Or you can take the operation "Enduring Rock." In a month and a half, from July 7 to August 26 of the year 2014, Israel lost 69 killed and wounded more than 800 people.

As an example of the need to maintain the Israeli presence in the Golan Heights, the Israeli leadership usually cites the fact that the transition of this area under Israeli sovereignty provided more than three decades of “positive calm” in the area where constant military clashes had happened before. Conversely, the transfer of the Golan back to Syria could destabilize the security situation.

Well, yes, there, in Israel, today silence and grace.

But personally, I am sure that the true essence of the issue of non-return is not that.

I fully support the view that the true essence is in the water. Currently, more than 30% of drinking water Israel draws from sources in the Golan. Lake Tiberias, which is the main reservoir of fresh water in the country, is struggling to cope with growing needs. And there is also the Kinneret reservoir. And the loss of sources in the Golan could lead to a water famine in Israel. And they, the Israelites, need it?

In addition, the Golan Heights is a very attractive area in economic terms.

50% of Israel’s mineral water, 26% of wines, about half of which are exported, from 30 to 50% of some fruits and vegetables. Plus tourists. Not as good as in other places, but 2,3-2,5 million people per year accept.

So it turns out that Israel is ready to give the West Bank of the Jordan River and Gaza, just to take it, because it’s pretty dull places with inadequate population, as we would say, and the Golan, where only their own or almost their own aren’t .

"I will not give my cow to anyone, such cattle are needed by myself."

In general, everything is quite logical. Jewish pragmatism and no stories.

In this connection, Netanyahu’s visit to Putin looks quite interesting. Especially after such steps as the exit session in the Golan and such eloquent remarks. Syria is still our ally, you know ...
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  1. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 20 2016 09: 05
    +13
    .. "Meanwhile, UN Security Council Resolution No. 242 has never been canceled. It was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967 at the 1382nd meeting.
    But no one (meaning Israel) rushed to execute it "....
    And what's amazing? No one rushed to impose sanctions, declare Israel an aggressor, etc. Tired of double standards in everything.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 20 2016 12: 10
      -5
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And what's amazing? No one rushed to impose sanctions, declare Israel an aggressor, etc. Tired of double standards in everything.

      Well, if you knew the story, you would be aware of the sanctions, the charges by the aggressor and so on. Your illiteracy is the double standard.
      1. user
        user April 21 2016 11: 29
        +2
        Well, if you knew the story


        Another version of the "Special Jewish History". "
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 20 2016 09: 13
    +10
    It seems to me that after Netanyahu’s trip to Putin, in the Crimea there will be a mass of joint ventures with the Israelis.
    It turns out that double standards in relation to resolution No. 242 will turn into a dilemma for Western democracy in relation to Israel and will be a joker in the hands of Putin.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 20 2016 09: 26
      -14%
      Sorry nonsense both about 30% of water, and about an economic region. They wouldn’t have blocked the water all the same (if they had handed them over), and the economies on this plateau stuffed with mines and stones are a miser.
      As well as calculations, how many died before, after or in comparison with Gaza.
      The Golan have a strategic position and in the case of fixing the enemy on them, it will be very difficult to recapture them, so until conditions for a comprehensive peace come to the BV — no one will give up this strategic plateau, especially to whom? SYRIA? Is there such a country?
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 20 2016 11: 54
        +1
        Greetings to the new-old Russian! hi
        Quote: atalef
        Sorry nonsense both about 30% of water, and about an economic region. They wouldn’t have blocked the water all the same (if they had handed them over), and the economies on this plateau stuffed with mines and stones are a miser.

        About water - I completely agree. In the 60s, water from the Golan Heights was of great importance, and along with the strategic position of the heights and the shelling of Israeli territory from them, it served as the basis for the occupation. But hereafter, Israel more than provided itself with water in a technological way - with the help of desalination plants. So there was a pure strategy.
        Quote: atalef
        until conditions for a comprehensive peace come to BV - no one will give up this strategic plateau

        I doubt that even in this case Israel will give the Golan Heights to someone.
        What is taken from the battle ...
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 April 20 2016 20: 14
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          What is taken from the battle ...

          ... well, it’s just not for the sons of Israel today ... another proverb is for them ... A warrior beats enemies, and a coward picks up self-interest ... this will be more true ... hi
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 20 2016 20: 24
            +5
            Quote: Inok10
            Quote: andj61
            What is taken from the battle ...

            ... well, it’s just not for the sons of Israel today ... another proverb is for them ... A warrior beats enemies, and a coward picks up self-interest ... this will be more true ... hi

            As for greed, this was traditionally referred to the Jews before, as to a nation engaged in small crafts and trade. But after the revolution of 1917 in Soviet Russia and the USSR, Jews showed that they can be quite good warriors as well. This is also confirmed by the whole history of the formation and existence of the state of Israel of modern times. And compared to Jews, here Arabs very often act as cowards, picking up self-interest. Having a huge advantage in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, the Arabs lost miserably. Simply, the Soviet Socialist Republic always sided with the Arabs, but it would be better if we always took care of our own benefit. Arabs do not remember good for a long time - Egypt under Sadat is an example of this. This is an objective story - nothing more.

            hi
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 April 20 2016 21: 17
              +2
              Quote: andj61
              As for greed, this was traditionally referred to the Jews before, as to a nation engaged in small crafts and trade.

              ... Money is not a god, but a demigod is ... usury ... such is the essence of the people of Israel ... hi
              Quote: andj61
              But after the revolution of 1917 in Soviet Russia and the USSR, Jews showed that they can be quite good warriors as well.

              ... from 1941 to 1945, I shoot before them, as well as before everyone else: Abkhazians, Ossetians, Chechens, Tatars, Yakuts and all-all Soviet People and Tuvans with the Mongols who were not Soviet then, who won this war and were shoulder to shoulder, and even before those who laid their heads in debt unpaid ... Eternal to them Glory and Memory! ... but now the conversation for the occupation of the Golan Heights ... and the previous merits of the people of Israel are not appropriate here! ... hi
              Quote: andj61
              Having a huge advantage in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, the Arabs lost miserably. Simply, the Soviet Socialist Republic always sided with the Arabs, but it would be better if we always took care of our own benefit. Arabs do not remember good for a long time - Egypt under Sadat is an example of this. This is an objective story - nothing more.

              ... oh ... Is Israel defeated? ... Israel was in that game a pawn, it will be so ... the party in Vietnam between the USA and the USSR was behind us, well, in that game we lost, it happens ... Israel is not the Queen ... alas and ah ... and the current Tel Aviv-Moscow express train is a vivid confirmation of this ... It’s time to calculate already, it’s clearly competition to our Syrian ... but where is the Palestinian state that should have been formed together with Israel ?! ... ah, lawyer? ... laughing
              1. andj61
                andj61 April 20 2016 22: 21
                +5
                Quote: Inok10
                .. oh ... did Israel win? ... Israel was in that game a pawn, it will be so ... the party in Vietnam between the USA and the USSR was ours, well, in that game they lost, it happens ... Israel is not the Queen ... alas and ah ... and the current Tel Aviv-Moscow express train is a vivid confirmation of this ... It’s time to calculate already, it’s clearly competition to our Syrian ... but where is the Palestinian state that should have been formed together with Israel ?! ... ah, lawyer? ...

                Come on - it was Israel who won! In 1947-49 a bunch of Arabs pounced on the still not organized Jews - who will win? True, the Arabs, too, were not too organized, but they were very much supported and fed by the British ... The USSR, however, then turned a blind eye to supplies - for the money! - weapons to the Jews. Mid 50s - the so-called triple aggression - England, France, Israel - how much did the Arabs hold out there? If the USSR had not intervened, and even with the USA ...
                1967, the six-day war - and here all the Arab countries, except Lebanon, were really preparing to fight and fought with Israel. And the result is a military disaster in six days. The Israeli army had nowhere to retreat - it defeated the Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, and Jordanian armies in turn, clearly yielding to them. Further, the conflict of 1967-1970. - "war of attrition". Here, both sides declare their outstanding victories.
                Next 1971 is the Doomsday War. For the first time, thanks to the help of the USSR, Egypt showed at least something, even the Suez Canal was forced. The Israeli army did this too, and the path to Cairo was open. And here they intervened - by prior agreement of the USSR and the USA, a truce was signed. And a few years later - Camp David - and Egypt is already making peace with Israel. Further, of course, both sides did not have great victories, but there were also obvious losses.
                But Israel itself does not engage in usury. This is done by the sons of Israel such as the Rothschilds - I obviously do not like them. Like our oligarchs. So I’m never a lawyer ...
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 April 20 2016 23: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: andj61
                  In 1947-49 a bunch of Arabs pounced on the still not organized Jews

                  ... from the time of the Crusades to the present time there is no peace in the Holy Land ... as for the essence of the ARTICLE! ... not in vain took a step back, regarding the "victories of Israel", Pirov's victories ... laughing ... it’s not the people of Israel, and to drag along the desert of reasoning who is who and what when, does not work for fifty years ... laughing
                  ... According to the resolution No. 181 of the UN General Assembly of November 29, 1947 on the division of the British colony of Palestine, two independent states were to be created on its territory - Jewish and Arab, as well as Greater Jerusalem - territory controlled by the UN. ... fact ?! ... fact!
                  ... is there a state of Israel ?! ... There is ! ... fact!
                  ... is there a state of Palestine ?! ... No ! ... occupied, Israeli autonomy status ... Fact!
                  ... UN Decision No. 181 done ? ... No ! ... Fact!
                  ... Golan Heights Syria? ... Yes ! ... fact!
                  ... Golan Heights occupied by Israel ?! ... Yes ! ... fact! ...
                  ... The world did not recognize the occupation ?! ... Yes ! ... fact! ...
                  ... you will be screwed, but you do not steal (s) ... laughing
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 April 21 2016 07: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Inok10
                    According to UN General Assembly resolution No. 181 of November 29, 1947, on the division of the British colony of Palestine, two independent states were to be created on its territory - Jewish and Arab, as well as Greater Jerusalem - territory controlled by the UN. ... fact ?! ... fact!
                    ... is there a state of Israel ?! ... There is ! ... fact!
                    ... is there a state of Palestine ?! ... No ! ... occupied, Israeli autonomy status ... Fact!

                    And look at what constituted the British Mandated Territory of Palestine! This is the territory, including the kingdom of Jordan! This means that a Palestinian state without the West Bank - Jordan abandoned it in favor of the future of another Palestinian state, as well as Gaza - Egypt has already abandoned it - ALREADY created! And about the three states in Palestine, the UN did not make decisions.
                    And in general - very often in our country the Palestinians are indiscriminately supported, although in the conflict in Syria their sympathies are on the side, in any case, not Assad and Russia, although the very Palestinians for the most part were happy about our shot down plane and the passenger bombed by the terrorist attack liner over the Sinai.
                    Why do Russians have such love for Palestinians - nobody knows!
                    We must clearly understand that their sympathies and their interests most often contradict the interests of Russia. They are on the side of terror.
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 April 21 2016 13: 18
                      +4
                      Quote: andj61
                      And look at what constituted the British Mandated Territory of Palestine! This is the territory, including the kingdom of Jordan! This means that a Palestinian state without the West Bank - Jordan abandoned it in favor of the future of another Palestinian state, as well as Gaza - Egypt has already abandoned it - ALREADY created! And about the three states in Palestine, the UN did not make decisions.

                      ... Dear, let's repeat the story with dates and FACTS! ... I hate it very much, I hate it when they start to cheat frankly ... and so we went: ... On November 2, 1917, the British government issued a Balfour declaration, which contained a promise to promote the creation of a "national center for the Jewish people" in Palestine ... but not to give all of Palestine to Jews under the state of Israel, and this is fact number 1 ... further, in 1921 ¾ the territory of the mandate, the United Kingdom gave to a separate emirate of Transjordan ... that is, there are two mandated territories of Transjordan and Palestine, and this is fact number 2 ... in 1946, the independent Kingdom of Jordan is declared ... and this is FACT No. 3 ... that is, even before the UN resolution on the creation of the state of Israel, the Kingdom of Jordan has existed for a year ... and UN resolution No. 181 of November 29, 1947 concerns only the rest of Palestine, that is, the western bank of the Jordan River (on the attached screenshot in yellow) ... where it is prescribed to create two states, Israel and Arab and Greater Jerusalem, under the leadership of the UN ... and this is fact number 3... as a result, we see the occupation by Israel, not only of the territory of the Arab future state, but also the frank occupation of Greater Jerusalem, to which Israel has no right! ... this territory should be managed by the UN! ... and also the occupation by Israel, the Golan Heights which are the territory of Syria! ... and this is fact number 4 ... on this discussion is over ... there is history, documents and facts! ...
                      1. tilix
                        tilix April 21 2016 19: 11
                        +1
                        on this discussion is over ... there is history, documents and facts!
                        Abaldet, what a review. And where in your review is the Arab refusal to accept this section? I look, but no.
                        I repeat for the gifted, and selectively reading. The Arabs refused this section. Not accepted. But the Jews accepted. So much for the fact. What can draw you if you don’t understand?
          2. Pimply
            Pimply April 21 2016 08: 31
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            .. well, if only not for today's Israel’s sons ... another proverb for them ... The warrior beats the enemies, and the coward picks up greed ... this will be more true ...

            Would look at the number of these "cowards" who fought for Russia
        2. Thronekeeper
          Thronekeeper April 21 2016 01: 31
          -1
          With a macaque with a nuclear grenade, one can speak only from a position of strength.
          S-400 is desirable in Egypt. So that not only "Jericho", but the fly does not take off.
          Russia needs the Golans to provide radar observation over the Mediterranean and to familiarize the Sixth Fleet with the Titanic.
          For air defense and desalination, you can first "Onyx" with EMP warheads. And there...
          The main thing is that the elimination of Saudis, Qatar and the Israeli regime will allow Russia the exclusive control of hydrocarbon prices.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply April 21 2016 08: 35
            0
            Quote: Thronekeeper
            The main thing is that the elimination of Saudis, Qatar and the Israeli regime will allow Russia the exclusive control of hydrocarbon prices.

            Is it fair? And three or four dozen other countries - this sucks?
            1. Thronekeeper
              Thronekeeper April 22 2016 18: 18
              -1
              Is it fair? And three or four dozen other countries - this sucks?
              Your beloved Americans would not stop in front of four dozen.
              And so - Kipling to help. The Empire is an udaff that hunts not for fun, but for food. And sometimes he delivers the burden of whites to KAB-500OD, Onyx and Kh-31PD.
              And Sodomite Barania or Qatar upper respiratory - food.
              And Pakistan and Israel are poisonous snakes with unpredictable, stinging modes.
              I am not nirazu anti-Semite or anti-Islamist. An office hawk if you like. Ensuring Russia's security, political and economic domination in the BV (and therefore in the world) - what is before that a couple of medieval monarchies or Jewish theocracy? Option - to become "our female dog children" (c) Kissinger.
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 April 20 2016 12: 13
        +6
        Imagine eating. And on its territory there is a base Hmeymim and a point in Tartus. Have you heard of these? And what happens to those who do not take into account those guys who are there?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 20 2016 12: 15
          -1
          Quote: alexej123
          Imagine eating. And on its territory there is a base Hmeymim and a point in Tartus. Have you heard of these? And what happens to those who do not take into account those guys who are there?

          In theory - there is. In practice - feudal fragmentation.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 April 20 2016 14: 48
            0
            The minus is not mine. The practical implementation of the theory is also carried out (I apologize for the tautology) by the guys from Khmeimim and from Tartus.
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      3. cdrt
        cdrt April 20 2016 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        They wouldn’t block the water all the same (if they had passed them)


        Hmm ... but was the Water War not related to this area?
      4. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 21 2016 04: 37
        0
        , especially to whom? SYRIA? Is there such a country?
        You would have screwed your fountain of contempt and sarcasm ....... someday contempt for everyone around you and a sense of superiority
        (imaginary) will play a very evil and sad joke with the Jews (and with the state of Israel) ......
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 20 2016 10: 50
      +7
      Quote: ImPerts
      It seems to me that after Netanyahu’s trip to Putin, in the Crimea there will be a mass of joint ventures with the Israelis.
      It turns out that double standards in relation to resolution No. 242 will turn into a dilemma for Western democracy in relation to Israel and will be a joker in the hands of Putin.


      No matter how there on the territory of Crimea their autonomy is not equipped. For a long time they wanted, but Stalin once gave his hands ...
      1. Zfoni
        Zfoni April 20 2016 20: 25
        -1
        Do not worry so. We are only interested in our historical homeland. We don’t need Crimea for nothing. And the fate of Crimea will be decided between the Russians and Ukrainians.
        1. Stavros
          Stavros April 20 2016 20: 40
          +2
          There is nothing more to decide; everything has already been decided.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 April 21 2016 12: 05
            0
            PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED.
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        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 20 2016 20: 43
          +2
          Quote: Zfoni
          Do not worry so. We are only interested in our historical homeland. We don’t need Crimea for nothing. And the fate of Crimea will be decided between the Russians and Ukrainians.

          And offer you for nothing, I suppose run with all your legs there.
  3. RUSS
    RUSS April 20 2016 09: 21
    +17
    The Golan Heights is not a deserted Gaza Strip; the Jews are unlikely to give up such a "tidbit".
    1. atalef
      atalef April 20 2016 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      The Golan Heights is not a deserted Gaza Strip; the Jews are unlikely to give up such a "tidbit".

      In order to know something about the Golan, you must at least go there - a beautiful photo of the green Golan is just the month 4 in the year and not a single photo of minefields
      Golan one continuous minefield, moreover, from Syrian times, and therefore mines scattered haphazardly without any cards, turned from the 3meter road to the side-exploded.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 20 2016 11: 51
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Golan one continuous minefield, moreover, from Syrian times, and therefore mines scattered haphazardly without any cards, turned from the 3meter road to the side-exploded.

        And you for 50 years of occupation, cleared at least a little of this territory?
        1. shalomnet
          shalomnet April 21 2016 00: 16
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: atalef
          Golan one continuous minefield, moreover, from Syrian times, and therefore mines scattered haphazardly without any cards, turned from the 3meter road to the side-exploded.

          And you for 50 years of occupation, cleared at least a little of this territory?



          Yes. It was a deal. Cows help a lot with this.
        2. Professor
          Professor April 21 2016 06: 47
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          And you for 50 years of occupation, cleared at least a little of this territory?

          Of course. In some places they cleared, and in some places they cleared so that they would not climb any children. Do not forget that Israel is at war with Syria and minefields there are simply necessary. Moreover, Assad constantly threatens to attack us again. So this week again, threats of the use of force sounded from Damascus.

          Quote: Banshee
          Yeah, and put up the Yiddish plates. Moreover, turned towards Israel.)))

          Yiddish? And why not ladin or spanolit? lol All plates in Hebrew, Arabic and English.


          Quote: Banshee
          But well, since you want me to dig deep - no problem. I will dig. Why not? Suddenly, the people of Israel are like white and fluffy. But I do not think - nothing will come of it either.

          I look forward to the results of the excavation.
  4. troyan
    troyan April 20 2016 09: 32
    -1
    On the other hand, why would Israel give the Golan Heights? When the Syrians stood there, they fired on Israeli settlements from artillery. Israel remembers this.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 20 2016 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: troyan
      When the Syrians stood there, they fired on Israeli settlements from artillery

      Something I do not remember that.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 20 2016 11: 55
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: troyan
        When the Syrians stood there, they fired on Israeli settlements from artillery

        Something I do not remember that.

        And no wonder - it was back in the 60s! bully
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 20 2016 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Something I do not remember that.

        Because it was just before 1967 year
  5. Sobol
    Sobol April 20 2016 09: 48
    +1
    So it seems that Israel was offering the return of Sinai to Egypt, and the Golan Heights of Syria in exchange for peace agreements. The Arabs themselves did not want to.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 20 2016 11: 39
      +4
      Quote: SoboL
      So it’s like Israel was offering the return of Sinai to Egypt,

      Israel wanted to return the Gaza Strip to Egypt, but Egypt categorically refused to sign a peace treaty if Israel returned Gaza to them. In Egypt, they well understood who lives there.
      1. Sobol
        Sobol April 20 2016 15: 31
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Israel wanted to return the Gaza Strip to Egypt, but Egypt categorically refused to sign a peace treaty if Israel returned Gaza to them. In Egypt, they well understood who lives there.

        For what I bought, for what I sell.
        "According to former Israeli President Chaim Herzog:
        “On June 19, the Israeli government of national unity voted unanimously to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for peace agreements. The Golan was supposed to become a demilitarized zone, and a special agreement was to be made on the issue of the Tirana Strait. The government also decided to start negotiations with King Hussein of Jordan on the issue of determining the eastern border. ”(Http://guide-israel.ru/history/252-vojna-sudnogo-dnya-19
        73 /)
        1. andj61
          andj61 April 20 2016 17: 04
          +1
          Quote: SoboL
          For what I bought, for what I sell.

          That's right - it was, but even before 1981. We agreed with Egypt, and Sinai was returned. And Hafez al-Assad set the return of the Golan Heights as a precondition for the start of peace negotiations. As a result, peace was not concluded with Syria, and the Golan Heights at the end of 1981 were annexed by Israel.
  6. sharkmen
    sharkmen April 20 2016 10: 24
    +4
    Hello. in my opinion the most interesting is the lack of comments from the professor and ar. howl. as a rule, they do not miss such attacks. probably the author clearly identified the essence of the issue and the training manual on trolling advises to be silent in such cases.
    1. Stavros
      Stavros April 20 2016 10: 51
      +6
      It's not evening yet, wait a bit.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 20 2016 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: sharkmen
      Hello. in my opinion the most interesting is the lack of comments from the professor and ar. howl. as a rule, they do not miss such attacks. probably the author clearly identified the essence of the issue and the training manual on trolling advises to be silent in such cases.

      I think Roman is better to write about the DPR and LPR in this he understands more, on the Golan issue, it would be worth delving into a simpler digression
      Firstly, where did the Golan come from in Syria, who owned the Golan before them, why the Golan is generally called the Golan and the reason for their loss by Syria - if you would have consistently addressed these issues - then it was probably more understandable, and even not the top without roots, and so. ..
      1. sharkmen
        sharkmen April 20 2016 11: 25
        +1
        In this article, I personally saw an attempt to compare two dissimilar positions of the Israeli leadership on issues with similar components. but the historical legitimacy of Israeli control of the Golan or Palestinian territories does not seem to be raised in this material.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 20 2016 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        on the Golan issue, it would be worth delving into a simpler digression

        So you can go deeper and Cro-Magnon laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 20 2016 18: 39
          +5
          Quote: RUSS
          So you can go deeper and Cro-Magnon

          Yes, even to the Neanderthals, they also noted there.
          In general, Israel has rights to the Golan by no means less than Russia to Koenigsberg or America to Texas. Winner right - have you heard of this?
      3. Roman Skomorokhov
        April 20 2016 15: 42
        +1
        And why is it? I wrote as if that story we will not touch. Everyone is able to read the story anywhere, at their choice.

        But well, since you want me to dig deep - no problem. I will dig. Why not? Suddenly, the people of Israel are like white and fluffy. But I do not think - nothing will come of it either.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 21 2016 08: 38
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          And why is it? I wrote as if that story we will not touch. Everyone is able to read the story anywhere, at their choice.


          Why not? Everything is going on in her contest.
          Quote: Banshee

          But well, since you want me to dig deep - no problem. I will dig. Why not? Suddenly, the people of Israel are like white and fluffy. But I do not think - nothing will come of it either.

          The conversation is not about whiteness and fluffiness, but about elementary knowledge about the region, not emotional fantasies
  7. koshmarik
    koshmarik April 20 2016 11: 29
    +9
    The Golan has no Israeli history, but nevertheless, Israel will not give them back. Crimea has a Russian history, so we will not give it up by definition. The fair West needs to act in such a sequence: first, to get Golan back, then Cyprus and Kosovo, and only then the Crimea. And do not be hysterical cries about the annexation of the Crimea.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 20 2016 12: 11
      +4
      Quote: koshmarik
      The Golan does not have an Israeli history, but nevertheless, Israel will not give them back.

      In fact, all of these territories have Israeli history - most of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and even Sinai, not to mention Gaza and the West Bank. And this story goes back thousands of years.
      But one does not have to speak about the inviolability of borders on the BV: these borders were completely arbitrarily cut by England and France in the 20s after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. And then the Golan passed from hand to hand!
      In 1920, in accordance with the Balfour Declaration (1917), the League of Nations included the Golan Heights in the British Mandate on Palestine. Mandated territory, where, as indicated in the text of the sixth paragraph of the mandate, “the settlement of Jews was encouraged”, was cut out along the geographical borders of Eretz Yisrael, respectively, the Bashan region was an integral part of the mandate.
      Despite the fact that the terms of the mandate were approved on July 24.07.1922, 1923 at a meeting of the Council of the League of Nations, and the mandate was to enter into force in September 1923, England, violating it, transferred the Golan Heights of France in March XNUMX, and become part of the French mandate for Syria and Lebanon

      And even within the borders of, for example, the English mandate, Jordan, Israel and Palestine were one territory and were called Palestine. This gives Israel reason to say that the Arab Palestinian state is ALREADY created, has universally recognized and unchallenged borders, is a member of the UN and heaps of international organizations. And this state is called - the kingdom of Jordan ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply April 20 2016 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: koshmarik
      The Golan has no Israeli history, but nevertheless, Israel will not give them back. Crimea has a Russian history, so we will not give it up by definition. The fair West needs to act in such a sequence: first, to get Golan back, then Cyprus and Kosovo, and only then the Crimea. And do not be hysterical cries about the annexation of the Crimea.

      Well, as it were, at least from 1967, there is a Syrian longer
    3. Revolver
      Revolver April 20 2016 18: 48
      +3
      Quote: koshmarik
      The just West needs to act in this order: first, to achieve the return of the Golan, then Cyprus and Kosovo, and then Crimea.

      Then, according to your logic, Koenigsberg will have to turn Germany over, and the Kuril Islands to Japan. Ah, the legal right of a winner? I completely agree with this, but in this case, the Golan on the same basis legally belong to Israel.
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  9. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 20 2016 13: 21
    +5
    "The Golan Heights will forever remain in Israel's hands, Israel will never retreat from the Golan Heights."

    Ja, ja ... Berlin will remain German!
    1. Come on
      Come on April 20 2016 18: 13
      +4
      So Berlin remained German .. lol
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 20 2016 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Yeah, well.
        So Berlin remained German .. lol

        Kurdish-Turkish ... smile
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 20 2016 20: 09
          +1
          Thank you for not being Arabic.lol
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 20 2016 20: 26
            +3
            Quote: Nagan
            Thank you for not being Arabic.lol

            Paris, Brussels and Madrid will remain Arabic! bully But London will apparently be Pakistani and Negro ... request
  10. Приговор
    Приговор April 20 2016 13: 33
    +7
    Well, as if the Golan Heights is Syria's permanent excuse for a war with Israel, which Israel successfully created for itself.
    As if the shelling by Israel of the Syrian government troops is nothing more than aggression and will somehow have certain consequences for it.
    As if frank assistance to the "Syrian moderate opposition", and in fact to Arab mercenaries and Islamists of various kinds, does not add authority to Israel in the world, as does the trade in stolen hydrocarbons (tell me that Israel, like Turkey, does not take any part in this). .;)
    How would you recall the war crimes (and it’s not called otherwise) in the camps of Sabra and Shatila, for which no one has yet been punished. This is about the relationship to human rights, if they do not concern citizens of Israel.
    The appearance of nuclear weapons from Israel and the persecution of the scientist who revealed this little Jewish "secret" to the whole world seems to be raising a question.
    How well we would know about the role of Israel in the events in Ukraine and Georgia. Video from the reception of the Israeli delegation in Dnepropetrovsk and speeches delivered at the event can be easily found on the net. It is not long before the famous events in Square.
    As if most of "our" Aligarhs, who actually robbed the entire country, still have Israeli citizenship.
    As it were, a significant part of our opposition, but in fact the fifth column has the same (about uzhos!) Passports.
    As if a lot of fugitive thieves (let's not flirt and let's start calling a spade a spade) from Russia settled in this country. Only the USA and, well, the EU can compete with Israel, although their size and economy are not comparable with those of Israel.

    And now, attention, a question ...;)) Given the fact that Syria is historically an ally of Russia and all of the above, what long-term relations with Russia is Israel counting on? Of course, you can steal for a hundred, two hundred, three hundred years. You can fight in turn with all the neighbors and even successfully occupy something there for a while, but only a fool can count on people to endure such behavior forever. And now I'm waiting for spitting, screeching and various "indisputable facts" of our friends ..;)
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 20 2016 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: Sentence
      Well, as if the Golan Heights is Syria's permanent excuse for a war with Israel, which Israel successfully created for itself.

      For Syria, the very existence of Israel is a constant excuse. If in Egypt the topic was ready to discuss and go to a meeting, in Syria - no
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar April 20 2016 14: 15
      +2
      Quote: Sentence
      Given the fact that Syria is historically an ally of Russia and all of the above
      It is worth recalling the behavior of the "historical ally" in the 80s and 90s of the last century. Syria still has $ 8 billion in "Soviet" debt. Maybe it’s worth remembering the postulate that the state (Russia) cannot have permanent friends, but has permanent interests?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 20 2016 14: 58
        +4
        Quote: Pushkar
        It is worth recalling the behavior of the "historical ally" in the 80s and 90s of the last century. Syria still has $ 8 billion in "Soviet" debt. Maybe it’s worth remembering the postulate that the state (Russia) cannot have permanent friends, but has permanent interests?

        No longer hanging - written off
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 20 2016 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: Pushkar
        Quote: Sentence
        Given the fact that Syria is historically an ally of Russia and all of the above
        It is worth recalling the behavior of the "historical ally" in the 80s and 90s of the last century. Syria still has $ 8 billion in "Soviet" debt. Maybe it’s worth remembering the postulate that the state (Russia) cannot have permanent friends, but has permanent interests?

        good And Syria is not an ally to us - we are constantly helping her, and, most often, free of charge.
        And we constantly write off debts ...
      3. Kenneth
        Kenneth April 20 2016 17: 41
        +3
        Syria is a traditional headache and an irrevocable debtor. We are a wonderful ally for them.
      4. Revolver
        Revolver April 20 2016 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: Pushkar
        Syria still has $ 8 billion of "Soviet" debt.

        No longer hanging. The Soviet debts that Assad Papa collected were written off as far back as 2005. But Assad the younger scored a lot again, and there is nothing to give back and never will be - Syria is in a Stone Age state if not worse.
    3. Kenneth
      Kenneth April 20 2016 17: 56
      +1
      Do you think Jews are under the bed?
  11. Приговор
    Приговор April 20 2016 14: 11
    -1
    Quote: Pimply
    Quote: Sentence
    Well, as if the Golan Heights is Syria's permanent excuse for a war with Israel, which Israel successfully created for itself.

    For Syria, the very existence of Israel is a constant excuse. If in Egypt the topic was ready to discuss and go to a meeting, in Syria - no


    No need to create demagogic axioms, and then on their basis to make far-reaching conclusions. I do not remember a single statement by the Syrian leaders, where the intention was to occupy something in Israel. If there is a request to give a link. Comparing Syria and Egypt is more than incorrect.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 20 2016 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: Sentence
      No need to create demagogic axioms, and then on their basis to make far-reaching conclusions. I do not remember a single statement by the Syrian leaders, where the intention was to occupy something in Israel. If there is a request to give a link. Comparing Syria and Egypt is more than incorrect.

      You have a bad story. It sounded like destroying the Zionist education (and not in the sense of schools).
      1. Приговор
        Приговор April 20 2016 15: 20
        +2
        My history is good. Moreover, apart from the "excellent" marks, I have never had any others on it. If it's within your power, let's not get personal. So where is the link, colleague? And second: attention to the question! ..;) Is Israel a Zionist state?

        PS Let's be honest with each other, and will not play with words. If the question is essentially, if the answer is concrete. Is it coming? ..;)
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 20 2016 19: 00
          +3
          Quote: Sentence
          Is Israel a Zionist State?

          Yes, since its foundation. Have you just heard about this? Well, better late than never.
          1. Приговор
            Приговор April 20 2016 20: 18
            0
            I don’t remember that I entered into a dialogue with you. No need to answer those questions that are not asked to you. Did you not know? Well, better late than never ..;))
            1. Revolver
              Revolver April 20 2016 20: 51
              +1
              Here, anyone has the right to comment on any comment. Did you not know? Well, better late than never ..;))

              And if I personally didn’t please you, no matter what, your right to blacklist me.
              1. Приговор
                Приговор April 20 2016 21: 59
                -2
                Even in white I will not. It’s easier to ignore non-polite people. Did you not know? Well, better late than never ..;)))
            2. Professor
              Professor April 21 2016 06: 59
              +1
              Quote: Sentence
              I don’t remember that I entered into a dialogue with you. No need to answer those questions that are not asked to you. Did you not know? Well, better late than never ..;))

              Then write in a personal.

              Quote: Sentence
              u, like the Golan Heights, is Syria’s constant occasion for a war with Israel, which Israel has successfully created for itself.

              Yah? And from 1948 to 1967, Syria attacked Israel because of the Golan Heights knowing that Israel will take them in the future?

              Quote: Sentence
              As if frank assistance to the "Syrian moderate opposition", but in fact to Arab mercenaries and Islamists of various stripes

              Congratulations to you, Mr. liar. hi

              Quote: Sentence
              How would you recall the war crimes (and it’s not called otherwise) in the camps of Sabra and Shatila, for which no one has yet been punished

              Again they lied twice. The Christians massacre there, and Sharon was punished.

              Quote: Sentence
              The appearance of nuclear weapons from Israel and the persecution of the scientist who revealed this little Jewish "secret" to the whole world seems to be raising a question.

              Lying again. No one is pursuing a scientist.

              Quote: Sentence
              How well we would know about the role of Israel in the events in Ukraine and Georgia.

              Did we destroy the cathedral too? What about the Colosseum? wink

              Quote: Sentence
              As if most of "our" Aligarhs, who actually robbed the entire country, still have Israeli citizenship.

              Adopt a law prohibiting dual citizenship. Weak?

              Quote: Sentence
              As if a lot of runaway thieves (let's not flirting and start calling things by their proper names) from Russia settled in this country.

              No, let's be specific. Submit a request for their extradition by providing all the necessary documents and we will issue them as they issued, issue and will issue criminals to Russia.

              Quote: Sentence
              Given the fact that Syria is historically an ally of Russia and all of the above, what long-term relations with Russia does Israel expect?

              Good ones. And now Bibi went to drink beer with Vladimir and took the Air Force commander with him. They will be seen to discuss the issue of returning the Golan to your "ally". laughing
              1. andj61
                andj61 April 21 2016 08: 09
                -1
                Quote: Professor

                Did we destroy the cathedral too? What about the Colosseum?

                Not only the cathedral, but the chapel too! am
                I welcome you, Oleg! hi
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 21 2016 08: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: andj61
                  I welcome you, Oleg!

                  How could I forget that the classic has a chapel? repeat
              2. Приговор
                Приговор April 21 2016 18: 26
                +1
                1. Regarding the PM: I do not remember asking for your advice. Since, I hope, you’ll get into the moderators of this resource, I allow myself to score on your valuable opinion.
                2. Based on your peculiar, to put it mildly, logic: should all neighbors occupy the territories from which Israel attacked them? Would you like to occupy Italian territory from which Ancient Rome attacked you more than two thousand years ago? And what? Attacked the same ... Fact! ..;)))))
                3. Regarding "I congratulate you, citizen of the lie." Either prove otherwise, or don't be rude. If your upbringing, or habits, or any physiological reasons do not allow you to try to communicate with people in a normal way, just ignore those lines that overexcite you. Anyway, from the outside, you will seem a much more decent person ..;)
                4. Concerning the massacre of "Christians". Evidence over here or your mouth off, mister. You can just as well write under the blah blah blah comment. No evidence other than empty Jewish verbiage and super-arrogance ..;) What kind of punishment did Mr. Sharon incur for killing thousands of people? Be so kind as not to consider it a job, write WHAT did the Israeli "justice" for the mass murder do him?
                5. The evidence. Evidence, my little and arrogant friend. If not, write blah blah blah. You do not get used to it ..;)))
                6. What kind of cathedral are you talking about, I'm sorry, I can’t understand, since it is very far from your flight beyond the limit of wild imagination. When the Colosseum was destroyed, it was not present (apparently, unlike you), therefore I will not make such a controversial statement either. But, my words have not been refuted by any of your facts, so the only thing I can ask is not to carry the blizzard. Unless, of course, you can do it ..;)
                7. When adopting such a law, you will definitely be the last one we ask about it. Stop harboring thieves and stolen capitals. Weak? ..;)
                8. Again this is empty blah blah blah. Write specifically: whom, when, and for what did Israel give Russia? Surnames in the studio! ..;) If not, then blah blah blah, dear. Again, empty blah blah blah, which is no longer surprising to hear from you ..;)))
                9. They already now have nowhere better ..;))) If you knew HOW the State of Israel is respected in our country, as well as the various Bibi who come to us, as well as their clever proposals to "Vladimir", I think they would surprised. We may be goyim, but our historical memory is in order. And also the eyes are in place, even if you have a different opinion about it ..;)
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 21 2016 19: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: Sentence
                  1. Regarding the PM: I do not remember asking for your advice. Since, I hope, you’ll get into the moderators of this resource, I allow myself to score on your valuable opinion.

                  I did not read further. For whom did you try to write so much if you started so rudely? Or do you think that a normal person will read further after such an introduction? fool

                  Quote: Sentence
                  Moreover, from childhood I had friends among them.

                  Classics of the genre and anti-Semite. החברים הטובים שלי הם יהודים (My best friends are Jews). bully
                  1. Приговор
                    Приговор April 22 2016 00: 12
                    0
                    1. I believe an anti-Semite in your understanding is someone who does not agree with your opinion. In this case, of course, you are right. I really am exactly the same "anti-Semite" as you are Russophobe.
                    2. What they didn’t read, here you didn’t upset me and surprised me. Usually, types like you do not listen to anyone except themselves, do not reckon with anyone else's opinion except their own, and really do not like to receive statements in the exact same spirit that they do. To be rude to people is exclusively their prerogative.
                    3. About the "classics of the genre" I can not say anything, I am not strong in Hebrew, and never was interested, to be honest. Perhaps this is your very specific "humor" again. For an amateur, to put it mildly. I can’t call them the best friends, as I haven’t seen each other for a long time.
                    4. Now about your normalcy. Reading your posts, I can say that you flatter yourself. Frenzied attacks on opponents, outright rudeness, offensive smiles, verbiage, outright lies and distortion - this (I want to upset you) is not at all signs of a "normal" person.
                    5. If you do not have enough upbringing, patience, tact and just an elementary desire to communicate with people without all of the above in the fourth paragraph, do mercy, save us from your company in this forum. You have a lot of Israeli resources, where you can exercise your imaginary wit, pour bile on others, the malice accumulated over the day, spoof it and be a naughty person to anyone who is not lazy.
                    6. And the last, the master does not like to look at himself from the outside. Be so kind, stop slandering and throwing mud at your posts that country from which you so successfully escaped, and whose citizens were after all once your compatriots. This will be one of the signs of a "normal" person. In the meantime, excuse me, I do not see them point-blank in you.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 22 2016 07: 18
                      -1
                      1. No, anti-Semitism is one of the forms of national intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews as an ethnic or religious group, as well as a denial of the right of this group to own its own state. There is no difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. You are a typical anti-Semite. I've seen tons of them in my life.

                      2. I didn’t read it because I don’t feel pleasure from talking with boors. Do you want to have a normal dialogue? Change the tone and I will answer ALL your questions.

                      3. Classic, classic. I meet such types constantly.
                      "I have a good attitude towards Jews, I even have Jewish friends ..."
                      "You are Oleg, a cool kid, specialist / person / officer, even though you are a Jew"
                      "I am not an anti-Semite, but an anti-Zionist"
                      "I personally have not met Jews, but ..."

                      4. If my comments are not normal people (especially amused about lies) then why are you reading them? Masochism? wink I didn’t read your comment. Well, who is normal?

                      5. Everything is in your hands. Feel free to add me to your emergency and you will not have the pleasure of seeing me. Dare, it does not hurt. lol

                      6. Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go. I wrote, I write and will write about the scoop that I consider necessary. See point 5.

                      PS
                      Materiel. Kahan Commission.
                      1. Приговор
                        Приговор April 23 2016 01: 18
                        0
                        1. Thank you for the invaluable information about anti-Simitism and anti-Zionism, about which, as usual, no one asked you. If you cite at least one insult that I inflicted on Jews on national, religious or other grounds, I will agree with your delusional accusations. In the meantime, everyone who does not agree with his point of view is sick of listening to this stench about imaginary "anti-simitism". Alas, through one such types come across, seen enough, already disgusting.
                        2. I want to conduct a normal dialogue only with people who express their thoughts not in a boorish manner. Apparently you do not know how. Well, any divine behavior leads to the corresponding answer. Therefore, stop whining if you get an answer in your favorite boorish manner.
                        3. I don’t give a damn about whom and how much you meet. In fact, he wrote that there is, and what kind of snot you have dismissed in this regard, I do not care. If you have a sore point, continue to engage in verbiage and on. Apparently, this is your favorite pastime.
                        4. Let me read what I think is necessary for myself. Without the involvement of prominent Israeli consultants on this matter. I am very glad that you were amused, not upset. You are a unique instance in your shamelessness ..;))) But who am I about such a concept as "conscience"? ..;))) Not in your case. If you still do not understand who is normal, try to re-read my previous post again. I hope that the meaning of what has been said will still reach your stream of consciousness ..;)
                        5. Do not even hope. It will be too good for you ..;))) As you rightly noted, everything is really in my hands. Therefore, I will continue to call lies - lies, rudeness - rudeness, theft - theft, and villains - villains. Let them live anywhere and even (at uhosh!) In sunny Israel ..;)
                        6. That is, you intend to continue pouring mud on the "former" Motherland? Well, well, it is quite a worthy occupation for a true Zionist. And quite common. Just don't whine if in return you get exactly the same thing about your small and evil under-empire.

                        PS And change your name. What kind of "Oleg" are you now? ..;)))))
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                      3. Professor
                        Professor April 23 2016 10: 03
                        0
                        1. This is an educational program for you to know your place in modern society. Here is your quote: Moreover, from childhood I had friends among them. But I don’t belong to the Zionists, I don’t normally belong. This kind of Nazism disgusts me, like any misanthropic ideology. Sclerosis?

                        Quote: Sentence
                        I want to conduct a normal dialogue only with people who express their thoughts not in a boorish manner.

                        Then pass by. I won’t read your letters. I won’t spend my time on you. hi
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                    3. Приговор
                      Приговор April 23 2016 01: 43
                      +1
                      1. Thank you for the invaluable information about anti-Simitism and anti-Zionism, about which, as usual, no one asked you. If you cite at least one insult that I inflicted on Jews on national, religious or other grounds, I will agree with your delusional accusations. In the meantime, everyone who does not agree with his point of view is sick of listening to this stench about imaginary "anti-simitism". Alas, through one such types come across, seen enough, already disgusting.
                      2. I want to conduct a normal dialogue only with people who express their thoughts not in a boorish manner. Apparently you do not know how. Well, any divine behavior leads to the corresponding answer. Therefore, stop whining if you get an answer in your favorite boorish manner.
                      3. I don’t give a damn about whom and how much you meet. In fact, he wrote that there is, and what kind of snot you have dismissed in this regard, I do not care. If you have a sore point, continue to engage in verbiage and on. Apparently, this is your favorite pastime.
                      4. Let me read what I think is necessary for myself. Without the involvement of prominent Israeli consultants on this matter. I am very glad that you were amused, not upset. You are a unique instance in your shamelessness ..;))) But who am I about such a concept as "conscience"? ..;))) Not in your case. If you still do not understand who is normal, try to re-read my previous post again. I hope that the meaning of what has been said will still reach your stream of consciousness ..;)
                      5. Do not even hope. It will be too good for you ..;))) As you rightly noted, everything is really in my hands. Therefore, I will continue to call lies - lies, rudeness - rudeness, theft - theft, and villains - villains. Let them live anywhere and even (at uhosh!) In sunny Israel ..;)
                      6. That is, do you intend to continue throwing mud at the "former" Motherland? Well, well, it is quite a worthy occupation for a true Zionist. And quite common. Just do not whine if in return you receive exactly the same thing about your small and evil under-empire.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 21 2016 08: 55
        -1
        Quote: Sentence
        My history is good. Moreover, apart from the "excellent" marks, I have never had any others on it. If it's within your power, let's not get personal. So where is the link, colleague? And second: attention to the question! ..;) Is Israel a Zionist state?

        It would be good - they would not make stupid statements. Let’s do this - are we at school to be involved in your education? Especially in things that are googled in an elementary way for 10 minutes?

        Well, for example, one of the first statements of Hafez al-Assad in 1967 “Our forces are now fully prepared not only to repel aggression, but also to begin the liberation process, to destroy the Zionist presence on Arab soil. The Syrian army has a finger on the trigger…. As a military man, I am confident that the time has come to join the war of destruction. "
        I give from The Six-Day War: Background & Overview by Mitchell Byrd. If necessary, the quote is also fairly easy to find in the original in Arabic.

        Quote: Sentence
        PS Let's be honest with each other, and will not play with words. If the question is essentially, if the answer is concrete. Is it coming? ..;)

        Let's be. You just don't like Jews. And everything else is an adjustment to this position in life.
        1. Приговор
          Приговор April 21 2016 19: 11
          -1
          Excuse me, dear. But, you just answered me too Jewish. In the quote from the long dead Hafez Assad, I saw only:
          1. The readiness of his forces to repel aggression.
          2. The destruction of not the Jewish, but the Zionist presence on Arab soil.

          Judging by the fact that you pretended that you did not notice the issue of the Zionist state of Israel or not, I can conclude that you identify the concepts of Jewish and Zionist.

          I want to disappoint you, I am absolutely normal towards the Jews. Moreover, from childhood I had friends among them. But I don’t belong to the Zionists, I don’t normally belong. This kind of Nazism disgusts me, like any misanthropic ideology.
    2. Amnestied
      Amnestied April 20 2016 15: 24
      -5
      Quote: Pimply
      You have a bad history. It sounded like destroying a Zionist entity

      Gyy, Two-Horned Droga (40-year erotic walking tour), and the sand ... the clock is running out. The gnomes do not understand that, for sure, soon the official Damascus (Bashar al-Assad), with God's help and the North Wind, will control the entire territory of the state of Syria (the Gollans are occupied by the Nazis today, too) because he has a tacit mandate of the Syrian peoples for this. And the winners carry the banners of the defeated countries "after the mother of the Yemenites" of the West and Votok to the Palestinian Jerusalem, the capital of the State of Palestine, i.e. Palestinian Peoples.
  12. Kenneth
    Kenneth April 20 2016 17: 40
    +3
    Shelling of Jewish farms from the Golan heights certainly does not count.
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna April 20 2016 14: 28
    0
    And what the Jews wanted to say by this. They have incessant terrorist attacks now. And the same thing awaits them in the future. To row everything for oneself is like that in Hebrew.
    1. tilix
      tilix April 21 2016 19: 19
      +1
      The main thing that we are not lovers to look into the rectum is your hobbies.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna April 21 2016 20: 31
        +1
        you do not shift your addictions to others.
        1. tilix
          tilix April 21 2016 23: 35
          +1
          You are a fan of the rectum. They themselves said, and now in the bushes. But I'm not surprised. Your type yes to answer for your words. Can not be.
  • Amnestied
    Amnestied April 20 2016 14: 34
    -1
    The Third Reich, also said that he would never give anything to anyone - Mishling will fight until the last Nazi Europe for the privatized / occupied in the East! And it, there’s how it happened ... Having rested in a bonza in the Near and accumulating in the Far, they will not get anywhere from the punishing sword of the old woman of History. Let it be better to give a little less pain and prepare more and more thoroughly for a single flush to the toilet, definitely, and from the Syrian Gollan, in particular, from which the Israelis have Kurillas as a bullet from shit Ippo-militaristic with an army of IDF gnomes excited by the illusions.
  • Starik72
    Starik72 April 20 2016 14: 38
    +2
    By decision of the UN, Israel was allocated 14000 sq. Km of the Palestinian territory- (allocated specifically)! Today Israel currently has 28000 sq. Km seized from Palestine and other states. So tell me who is AGGRESSOR, Israel has captured a significant area, or those states that lost it. That's why the states surrounding Israel hate it. And yet, if the USA and its Jewish lobby did not support Israel, then tell me where Israel would be.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 20 2016 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: Starik72
      According to the UN decision, Israel was allocated 14000 sq. Km. Of the PALESTINE- area (singled out specifically)! This hour at the moment Israel has 28000 sq. Km. Captured from Palestine and other states.

      To begin with - the UN decision is only a definite recommendation and declaration of intent. Secondly, the Arab countries did not recognize this resolution, since it meant automatically recognizing Israel.
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth April 20 2016 21: 40
      0
      Until the early 70s, the United States was not at all loyal to Israel
  • cdrt
    cdrt April 20 2016 15: 57
    +6
    All right, the Israelis are doing.
    Security is in every way more important than UN Resolutions, and any other wishes.
    The Golan gives them a strong, stable position, which means either "eternal peace" with obligations from the Syrians, or shish them with butter, and not the Golan.
    Because any of the Syrian future regimes will not be able to offer peace to the Jews for a long time, which means they simply recognized the fact that Israel in the Golan is forever.
    1. Приговор
      Приговор April 20 2016 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: cdrt
      All right, the Israelis are doing.
      Security is in every way more important than UN Resolutions, and any other wishes.
      The Golan gives them a strong, stable position, which means either "eternal peace" with obligations from the Syrians, or shish them with butter, and not the Golan.
      Because any of the Syrian future regimes will not be able to offer peace to the Jews for a long time, which means they simply recognized the fact that Israel in the Golan is forever.


      Golan gives them the hatred of the Arabs and one hundred percent reason for the Syrian war. A disregard for UN resolutions will give birth only to a disregard for other countries to commitments to Israel. No one respects the impudent brawlers, sooner or later, anyway, they still get in the face. Smart people make conclusions from this, fools beg again. And the fact that the Israeli army is strong enough today does not mean that it will remain so tomorrow. It will not work all the time to pit the Arab countries, sooner or later they will forget about strife. And then, I would not want to be in Israel.
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV April 20 2016 17: 16
        +4
        + from me. Don’t ask why. laughing
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 20 2016 17: 21
        +3
        Quote: Sentence
        It will not work all the time to pit the Arab countries, sooner or later they will forget about strife. And then, I would not want to be in Israel.

        Maybe you are right. Here are just a few attempts - at first to prevent the creation of Israel, and then to throw the Jews into the sea ... But all these attempts were unsuccessful, and the superior forces of the Arab countries were defeated.
        1. Приговор
          Приговор April 20 2016 18: 00
          +1
          God grant that any attempts to throw people into the sea, or kill in another way, will fail further. There is no hatred of the Jews - hardworking, talented people. There are many questions to the aggressive and not smart policies of the state of Israel and some Jewish diasporas that behave, to put it mildly, not quite adequately in their countries of compact residence. There are questions to the gentlemen of the Zionists. It is, but by no means hatred of ordinary people. And the fact that sooner or later the Arabs can succeed is nothing more than a statement of the fact of the likely development of events, provided that the insane policy of the top of Israel continues.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply April 21 2016 08: 57
        0
        Quote: Sentence
        Golan gives them the hatred of the Arabs and one hundred percent reason for the Syrian war.

        That is, from 1948 to 1967, the Arabs loved Israel very much?
        1. Приговор
          Приговор April 21 2016 18: 40
          0
          Dear, if here are the dates of the wars that Israel started, I’m not at all sure that the bill will be in favor of the Arabs.
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna April 20 2016 17: 06
    -1
    You okay. And the Jews? They’ll run again for 2000 thousand years. Or will they motivate them to have an EAO? No, the EAO must be liquidated. They have passports, Canada, Australia, etc. Here they have a place. And we had Trotsky, Sverdlov, Makarevich, etc. pr, pr
  • Kenneth
    Kenneth April 20 2016 17: 38
    +4
    Israel acquired the Golan as a result of a victorious war. Russia acquired the Kuril Islands during the victorious war. Let us be more loyal to the Jews. We ourselves are the same
  • MAG
    MAG April 20 2016 18: 31
    +4
    With the withdrawal of Israel from southern Lebanon (unilateral reconciliation), peace has come? So with the departure from the Golan, the front line will become closer the second time, so I think there’s no risk, and I think it will be better.
  • Idiot
    Idiot April 20 2016 20: 04
    0
    To comrades Israelis (on the issue of comparing the rights of the Russian Federation to the Kuriles), a quote: "... after complete and unconditional surrender, the sovereignty of Japan will be limited to the islands: Honshu, Hokkaido, Kushu, Shikoku and those smaller islands that WE DESIGNATE ...", and more: "... ALL Kuril Islands, including Sikotan and Habomai ..." are excluded from Japanese jurisdiction. Do you think the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee wrote? This is an excerpt from the directive number 667 from 29.01.1946/09.05.1945/03.09.1945. US military administration directed to the Japanese government. Subsequently, by the decision of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin were FOREVER assigned to the USSR. It was preceded by the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences of allies and do not tell me that this does not count. There are two types of surrender: simply surrender, which legally secures the military defeat of the state, and complete, unconditional surrender, the consequence of which is the termination of the existence of the subject of international relations, the loss of sovereignty and all power powers, which are transferred to the winner (winners), who determine the conditions of peace and the post-war order. those. actual dismantling of the state that suffered a military defeat. This surrender was signed by: Germany - 51/XNUMX/XNUMX. and Japan - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Both documents bear the signature of the representatives of the USSR: Zhukov and Derevianko. The fact that we did not sign the peace treaty in San Francisco does not mean anything, it was signed by XNUMX states headed by the United States, including Japan. Legally, Japan has no right to challenge the rights of the Russian Federation, as the legal successor of the USSR, to the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin Island. However, the recent UN recognition of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as the internal sea of ​​the Russian Federation only confirms this. I am waiting for your reasoned proof of the legality of Israel's right to the Golan ... or at least the logical justification of this right, with the exception of the "right of the strong."
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth April 20 2016 21: 38
      +1
      Install a sense of humor. And in truth, our right to the Kuril Islands is quite unsteady and few recognized, but we have nuclear weapons and the right of veto in the Security Council. And Israel has America in friends and the strongest army in the region. This is enough for us and them, until the opponents put forward more serious arguments.
  • MACCABI-TLV
    MACCABI-TLV April 20 2016 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: pft, fkb
    I am waiting for your reasoned evidence of the legality of Israel's right to the Golan ... or at least the logical justification of this right, with the exception of the "right of the strong."

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  • Professor
    Professor April 21 2016 06: 36
    +3
    The Israeli government for the first time in 49 years of occupation of the Golan Heights held its retreat there.

    Not the occupation, but the liberation, or as you have now decided to say reunion.

    Only one thing is not clear: what world problems does Israel solve through occupation?

    1. According to the mandate issued by the League of Nations (the predecessor of the United Nations) of Great Britain, the Golan was included in the territories intended for Israel and "Palestine", but not Syria or France. Great Britain, as usual, broke its promises and transferred the Golan to France, and then Syria.
    2. What is the Arabic word for Golan? What is an Arab city in the Golan? The name is Jewish, and the heroic defense of the Jewish city of Gamla, which Flavius ​​described in the Golan.
    3. Syria attacked Israel (and not vice versa) and lost its territories. tried to beat off, got in the face again and sits quietly. And it will sit quietly. Peace.

    After Israel seized these territories during the Six Day War in 1967, the bulk of the Arabs living there left. About 7 thousand Druze remained, mainly in the north of the Golan.

    All the Arabs fled. Everything. Druze are not Arabs. The author, of course, knows about this as well as knows everything about the Six Day War.

    And Israelis simply flattened the ground for Quneitra. The city is virtually uninhabited so far. After proper "treatment", it seemed to have been transferred to Syria, but in fact Kuneitra is in neutral territory.
    Of course not. The city was not razed to the ground. This is evidenced by numerous photographs. Quneitra, of course, not on neutral territory, but in Syria, and it was the Syrian authorities who decided not to rebuild it, but to turn it into a museum of "Israeli cruelty." And the new Quneitra was rebuilt side by side. What kind of uninhabitedness can we talk about?

    And why is Israel so unwilling to part with the Golan? Gaza - take it even tomorrow, Jordan Coast - today. But the Golan - never.

    Because the Golan is Israeli territory, and Gaza and the Jordan Coast (what kind of shore is this?) Is not Israeli territory. Nevertheless, Israel offered the Golan to Syria in exchange for a peace treaty, but Assad refused. Gaza was generally immediately offered to be returned to Egypt. He opposed. Who needs these Fylists?

    Yes, you can agree. Indeed, from 1948 to 1967, Syria bombarded the territory of Israel from the heights. During the shelling killed 140 people. For 19 years. On average, 7 people a year.

    How many 140 people? If these are distant natives, then this is not much, but if your family and friends then ... But this is not even the point. And it’s not even that the author is trying to compare the number of victims in peacetime with the number of victims in a military operation. The fact is that no state could suffer a groundless constant shelling of its territory (that is, state terror). After reuniting with the Golan, silence and prosperity have been in Galilee for 50 years.
  • Professor
    Professor April 21 2016 06: 36
    +3
    I fully support the view that the true essence is in water. Currently, more than 30% of drinking water Israel draws from sources in the Golan.

    The author needs to use the wiki less. There is an excess of fresh water in Israel. Israel supplies water to both Gaza and Jordan. From Kineret practically no water is pumped out. Not necessary.

    So it turns out that Israel is ready to give the West Bank and Gaza if they only take it, since these are pretty dull places with inadequate, as we would say, populations, and the Golan, where only their own or almost their own live, no .

    It is possible in more detail. Is this going to give Israel to give Judea and Samaria?

    In general, everything is pretty logical. Jewish pragmatism and no history.

    What is the truth? Jewish pragmatism is Beverly Hills or, at worst, Brooklyn, while Israel is a continuous "history" and no Jewish pragmatism.

    In this regard, Netanyahu’s visit to Putin looks quite interesting. Especially after such steps as an away session in the Golan and such eloquent statements. Syria is still our ally, you know ...

    Yeah. I went to Putin to ask permission to stay in the Golan or whatever they have in Arabic ... wink
  • jonht
    jonht April 21 2016 08: 15
    0
    “But in truth, our right to the Kuril Islands is rather shaky and recognized by few people” - the results of the Second World War were enshrined in many legal documents, and therefore the recognition or absence of this does not play a role for us. If you think that territories need a signed peace treaty to consolidate their status, then you are wrong, the decisions are made by the winners, not the defeated, and therefore, if the Japanese want war, well, they still have islands ... With heights (Golan), There are no legal documents, there is no peace treaty, the conflict is not closed, and therefore the parties have the right to resolve this dispute as they please, but only another 20 years mining will last, and no one will need this land ...
  • Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 23 2016 21: 21
    0
    Eh, I always like to read the communication of the Jew and the anti-Semite. Thanks, amused. laughing

    Perhaps more interesting and more fun only when a Bulgarian meets a Serb. wassat

    (When an Armenian talks with an Azerbaijani, then there is little interesting, more and more stabbing comes out).