Media: "Admiral Nakhimov" equip hypersonic rockets "Zircon"

The cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" in the course of the modernization will equip with the Zircon hypersonic missiles, reports TASS message source in the shipbuilding industry.

“In the course of repairs with deep modernization, the Admiral Nakhimov will replace the strike complex. As a result, he will receive Zircon hypersonic rockets, ”the source said.

“The state tests of Zircon in accordance with the contract are planned to be completed in 2017, and the next year it will begin mass production,” the source added.

The characteristics of the new rocket remain classified. At the same time, TASS, citing open sources, notes that “the range of a new missile can be up to 400 kilometers, and its speed will exceed the speed of sound five to six times.”

Earlier, the agency reported that the cruiser “Peter the Great” was also planned to be equipped with “Zircon”, which should be repaired after 2018. By that time, the “Nakhimov” would be back in service.

TASS Help: “The Admiral Nakhimov” (Kalinin before the 1992 of the year) refers to the cruisers of the 1144 project (according to the NATO classification - Orlan). Its displacement reaches 24,5 thousand tons, and the armament includes, in particular, anti-ship missiles "Granit", anti-aircraft missile systems "Fort" and "Osa-MA". The cruiser stood idle from the 1999 of the year. In the spring of 2013, a contract was signed for the repair and upgrading of the ship. It was delivered to the dry dock in the fall of 2014. ”

Comments

[Abbra]

We went along the wise path, which is extremely pleasing. If there is no way to massively build new ships, then it is necessary to modernize the relatively outdated so that the armament on them was super-modern. That sore on the pope will appear in our opponents! And not one.

[Rurikovich]

Large ships are more durable than small ships. In fact, "Eagles" can be safely driven for another 20-30 years, but only with timely service.

[ALABAY45]

"Eagles" for another 20-30 years can be safely driven ... + "
And, the signature: Belarusian naval marshal, seer and expert ...! Sorry, nothing personal, just Irtysh "went", aggravation ... For God's sake, izv
inite! Let, God, on the reservoirs of the Republic of Belarus to shoot at the "norm" ... If I am imprisoned for "shooting", I will not sit, I will declare a dry "head" ...

[m262]

Hamite kid, it’s not accepted here!

[ALABAY45]

Here, this, where ?! Change your "avatar" less often, Not nice ... like changing to ..

[KaPToC]

Hey Alabai, what gender are you? Cable, or the opposite? And then a friend has a bitch Alabai, looking for a cable for mating.

[Nick]

Quote: m262

Hamite kid, it’s not accepted here!

Alabai barks, the caravan goes ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, the signature: Belarusian naval marshal, seer and expert ...! Sorry, nothing personal, just Irtysh "went", aggravation ... For God's sake, izv
inite! God forbid to shoot at the "norm" on the reservoirs of the Republic of Belarus ... If I am imprisoned for "shooting", I will not sit down, I will declare a dry "head" ...

To each his own And if a country has no access to the sea, this does not mean that the population should correspond to someone’s prejudices Of course, to the all-knowing Kaptsov, I’m still like walking to the Moon, but the mountains of re-read literature and reference books on the Navy personally give me the right to say that Project 1144 has a large margin of safety and resources for modernization.
But where are we, Belarusians. We don’t have a sea (although the Americans say otherwise ) ... We can’t say this, we don’t know how to read and write, and we saw the sea only in pictures I swam in the Baltic, and was in Sochi. I even managed to visit Vladik and contemplate the "Red Pennant" with the S-56 ... But no ... We shouldn't say that about the Orlans ...

[ALABAY45]

"To each his own...."
("jedem das seine", somewhere the peoples of the USSR and Europe heard and saw this ?! Buchenwald, in my opinion ...) Are you, for sure, a Belarusian ?! Not typical for your people! More correct in your statements, you are an officer!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

"To each his own...."
("jedem das seine", somewhere the peoples of the USSR and Europe heard and saw this ?! Buchenwald, in my opinion ...) Are you, for sure, a Belarusian ?! Not typical for your people!

The phrase, in principle, is universal. Yes, her appearance at the gates of the death camp was most likely such sarcasm towards the prisoners by the Nazis. But this should not make her hostage only that sense. In fact, it is explained by the fact that everyone has his own path, his own opinion, his own thoughts. And very relevant in today's world.

[ALABAY45]

"... sarcasm towards the prisoners by the Nazis ..."
For such "sarcasm" in Russia, "Article 354.1 Rehabilitation of Nazism" ... And how is it there, nevertheless closer to enlightened Europe than Russia ?!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, how is it with you, is it nevertheless closer to enlightened Europe than Russia ?!

Well what is it ... My two grandfathers went through a war and I have a corresponding attitude towards fascism! It is exclusively about the phrase ...

[vnedra]

what are you talking about snowstorm balabay

[Full name]

Alabai barks - the caravan is on (eastern wisdom). The caravan is even somehow more fun with Alabai

[bulvas]

Quote: Rurikovich

To each his own ... And if the country has no access to the sea, then this does not mean that the population should correspond to someone’s prejudices
But where do we Belarusians go...

Finish with this!

One blurted out with ... it is not clear why (although I see and respect the dog lover, but I disagree), do not pay attention to stupidity

[ALABAY45]

And, can we with the Belarusian "Rurikovich" "help" ?! No arbitrators ?! Without analyzes and, even more so, without advice: "Finish with this!" ... Or do we need to listen to your "objective" and mentoring opinion ?!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, can we with the Belarusian "Rurikovich" "help" ?! No arbitrators ?! Without analyzes and, even more so, without advice: "Finish with this!" ... Or, do we need to listen to your "objective" and mentoring opinion ?!

"Be done with this!" - that's for me

[bulvas]

Quote: Rurikovich

"Be done with this!" - that's for me

++

[SMikhalych]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, signature: Belarusian naval marshal, seer and expert ..

If you knew how many naval officers reside in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, incl. and submariners who retired, they would never have written such nonsense ... even with subsequent apologies

[Rurikovich]

Quote: SMikhalych

If you knew how many naval officers reside in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, incl. and submariners who retired, they would never have written such nonsense ... even with subsequent apologies

Keep My dear uncle served on "Kirov" just before it was written off

[SMikhalych]

Quote: Rurikovich

I support good My dear uncle served on the Kirov just before it was written off

I myself am familiar with the underwater diver. When he somehow went out on holiday with all his regalia (and thin, like a bicycle ), where the iconostasis

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: SMikhalych

If you knew how many naval officers reside in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, incl. and submariners who retired, they would never have written such nonsense ... even with subsequent apologies

I support you, often officers of the Northern Fleet visit you in Brest. So that many of our former colleagues live with you, do not argue with virtual marshals

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: SMikhalych

If you knew how many naval officers reside in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, incl. and submariners who retired, they would never have written such nonsense ... even with subsequent apologies

I support you, often officers of the Northern Fleet visit you in Brest. So that many of our former colleagues live with you, do not argue with virtual marshals

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: ALABAY45

"Eagles" for another 20-30 years can be safely driven ... + "
And, the signature: Belarusian naval marshal, seer and expert ...! Sorry, nothing personal, just Irtysh "went", aggravation ... For God's sake, izv
inite! hiGod, God, on the reservoirs of the Republic of Belarus to shoot at the "norm" ... good If they jail me for the "shootout", I will not sit down, I will declare a dry "head" ...

Yes, you yourself are a virtual marshal expert, I’m going on this site as one active naval officer and a man who was on Peter and others like them

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: ALABAY45

"Eagles" for another 20-30 years can be safely driven ... + "
And, the signature: Belarusian naval marshal, seer and expert ...! Sorry, nothing personal, just Irtysh "went", aggravation ... For God's sake, izv
inite! hiGod, God, on the reservoirs of the Republic of Belarus to shoot at the "norm" ... good If they jail me for the "shootout", I will not sit down, I will declare a dry "head" ...

Yes, you yourself are a virtual marshal expert, I’m going on this site as one active naval officer and a man who was on Peter and others like them

[ALABAY45]

"Large ships are more durable than small ships" ...
A controversial conclusion! That is, such a term as "corrosion" is more afraid of a cruiser than a puny, but more "live" coast guard boat ?! In 2014, we rested on "Yaroslavets" RVN376U 1959. Song! Restored, of course, converted and entered into the Register ... Then, they drank vodka, a lot of vodka, for the untimely decommissioned cruisers, destroyers and torpedo boats! Maybe it's people, after all, and not in courts and ships ?! What do you think ?!

[Dart2027]

Quote: ALABAY45

Maybe the matter is, after all, people, and not in ships and ships ?! What do you think ?!

Of course, you need to look after the equipment. The point is different - a large hull provides an opportunity for further modernization, but for small ships this is more difficult.

[ALABAY45]

Thanks for your support , but, from an applied point of view, you are somewhat wrong: our "Yaroslavets" has modernized internal bulkheads, cabins, an updated engine room (MAN engine), navigation systems, electric windlass, carts, power plant, "chita", two " LASA "with motors, sauna ... 1959 release !!! We are all far from being "businessmen" ... Maybe, after all, there is a desire and, after all, people, and not sofa naval commanders ...?! Boors, from Belarus ...

[Dart2027]

Will the new missile systems fit in there? I’m not saying that only large-capacity ships can be upgraded, you can seriously work on a boat and get a good result. But how about it, but the volume of usable space is the main resource for carrying out such work.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dart2027

Will the new missile systems fit in there?

In the future, the Zircon missiles are going to be installed on the Husky MAPL. I believe that if these missiles can be installed on nuclear submarines, then it will most likely be possible to install such complexes on corvettes, frigates and destroyers.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

our "Yaroslavets" has modernized internal bulkheads, cabins, an updated engine room (MAN engine), navigation systems, electric windlass, carts, power plant, "chita", two "LAS" with motors, sauna ... 1959 release !! !

Ahaaaa, all the same I was in service, modernization (MAN engine, modern navigation). No one says that small vessels are not capable of long service life. If you spin somewhere in the bay or along the river back and forth, you can exist for a hundred years, with an annual inspection and extension of the service life, until you pierce the side with your finger. The bottom line is that large warships are designed with a specific margin of safety, with modernization capabilities (if there are no critical restrictions on displacement), and therefore a priori are calculated for decent service life.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

Controversial conclusion!

The larger the ship, the higher the strength parameters are laid in. The Nimitzs have a service life of almost half a century. "Midway" plowed in half a century ... And our "Eagles" from 20 to 30 years old. So you can safely upgrade and put into operation

[ALABAY45]

"... And our" Eagles "are from 20 to 30 years old ..."
And, our "Yaroslavl" - half a century! So, we have modernized and commissioned! There is something to be proud of and something to show to grandchildren! The civilian "lohanka", the rebuilders - the aged Russian "infantry" and not a single former "voenmore", still suffocated from the "sea" criticism, they would have quarreled, from the inconsistency of terms and the case would have been reduced to "zero", but now the deck is a pike We'll smear it with caviar and air it with sweet diesel smoke ... The ice has broken off on the Irtysh ... Come, "bulbashi" ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

Ice broke on the Irtysh ... Come, "Bulbashi" ...

Ok, apologies are accepted

[ALABAY45]

Yes, God grant you health and a good mistress! What makes you think that I apologize to you ?! They "got around" and, like adult males, went their separate ways, each confident in his victory and with his own opinion! An invitation does not mean an apology, do not become like Ukrainians ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: ALABAY45

What makes you think that I apologize to you ?! They "got around" and, like adult males, went their separate ways, each confident in his victory and with his own opinion! An invitation does not mean an apology, do not become like Ukrainians ...

here you go To each his own....

[ALABAY45]

Apparently, "jedem das seine" ... Getting used to the slogan ?! God forbid ...! How long has passed since 1945 ?!

[Serg65]

Compare outboard boat ...

[Serg65]

with an atomic cruiser ..

Quote: ALABAY45

Then, drank vodka, a lot of vodka

Quote: ALABAY45

.At the Irtysh the ice broke ...

in principle, the state for a srach is quite understandable, to sprinkle 5-6 boards on the deck of Yaroslavets and change the insides just the same as repairing the "Orlan" In the photo, KAMAZ is larger than your Yaroslavts.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Rurikovich

And our "Eagles" are from 20 to 30 years old. So you can safely upgrade and put into operation

The eagles will really serve another 20 years, maybe 30 ... but what should we do with the Atlanteans? Moscow will soon celebrate 40 years. But there is essentially no replacement for them. Leaders and Squalls in mock-ups and on paper. And they still need to be built and to experience.

[max2215]

A controversial conclusion! That is, such a term as "corrosion" is more afraid of a cruiser than a puny, but more "live" coast guard boat ?!

The comrade is clearly not in the subject, if only to ... be, in fact, there are such concepts as average, overhaul, docking, during which the condition of the underwater part of the ship's hull is assessed, after which parts of the hull are replaced. This happens several times during the life of the ship. Ships are written off, as a rule, not for "health reasons", but because of obsolescence and economic feasibility of modernization, is there any point in upgrading an artillery cruiser to a modern missile cruiser, although in theory it is even possible to upgrade the Aurora.
Apparently, the potential of the Orlans is still there, so it is being modernized. Although the question is quite controversial, which is more economically profitable - to lay a new one or "remake" the old one. I think there are no opportunities or capacities to build new ones - Sevastopol will be brought out of a coma ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Abbra

We went along the wise path, which is extremely pleasing. If there is no way to massively build new ships, then it is necessary to modernize the relatively outdated so that the armament on them was super-modern. That sore on the pope will appear in our opponents! And not one.

+ You can install lasers and railguns, since the Eagles have a nuclear reactor, there is an abundance of electricity.

[opus]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

electricity in excess.

no.

2x KN-3 (core type VM-16), an analogue that is on icebreakers, but forced.

the installation in condensing mode has an electric power of 152,3 MW (for each reactor), 5,1% consumption for "auxiliary needs" of each reactor

for 24 tons, against icebreakers 300 tons (without ballast), taking into account how much avionics "eat".
there is no "excess"

[Michael67]

Lost from the air defense 3M-87 "Kortik" and AK-130.
New complexes are less energy intensive. So that by email. there will be no problems with nutrition.
Yes, and in former times did not observe a deficit.

[opus]

Quote: Michael67

Lost from the air defense 3M-87 "Kortik" and AK-130.

no, not forgot.
It’s just that they’ll install new radio-electronic systems, radar, rep, BIUS ....

UVPU 3S-14 with fire extinguishing systems, ventilation and draining water
Some PHAR radars will have a peak power of 20mW ..

Quote: Michael67

Yes, and in former times did not observe a deficit.

And who measured?

[Engineer]

This picture has nothing to do with the modernization project and is a fantasy from an alternative history site.

[Ustinov 055 055]

We will also see where such pictures came from and for what purpose) it was always interesting to look at adventurers. And to be honest, the project documentation posted here then would gobble up in the basement of our specialists

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ustinov 055 055

And to be honest, the project documentation posted here then would gobble up in the basement of our specialists

And all, and with a pack of salt .. I'm watching this with interest .. nickname :)

We will also see where such pictures came from and for what purpose)

That's it, yes

[Ustinov 055 055]

We will also see where such pictures came from and for what purpose) it was always interesting to look at adventurers. And to be honest, the project documentation posted here then would gobble up in the basement of our specialists

[hrych]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

it is possible to install lasers and railguns

Plus for futurism, but unfortunately it’s yesterday because the experimental work was carried out and ended in failure, with us going ahead, they have it now. The laser, like the railgun, is hit in a straight line, and the Earth is round. From a height of a person standing at sea level, the distance to the horizon is only about five kilometers, i.e. an unfortunate cannon shooting 5-10 kilometers is capable of sending a projectile beyond the horizon, but these devices are not. Yes, in a straight line, the same laser can be scattered with a smoke screen, it cannot be used in fog and rain, etc. The installation on the Boeing 747 fell last (they couldn’t cram into smaller dimensions, they could put our analogue almost 30 years ago even in IL-76) because from 10 thousand meters the horizon is visible for almost 360 km however ... the program was closed in 2011, having lost 5 billion. For no purpose. All this is relevant in space, but there is a problem with energy because the weight and dimensions of the installation are huge, and the energy source for a megawatt-class laser in the form of a vigorous reactor is even worse problem ...

[Bramb]

Plus
I didn’t want to write the obvious flaws of a combat laser myself, like, let the Americans spend it, and we will neigh. I understand that they are not so stupid, but suddenly?))

[Tusv]

Quote: hrych

The laser, like the railgun, is hit in a straight line

It’s clear with the laser, but the projectile from the railgun does not have a constant speed and it’s not enough to go into / out of orbit, therefore it flies not in a straight line, but according to the laws of ballistics and, of course, a hundred pounds will plop over the horizon

[stoker]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: hrych

The laser, like the railgun, is hit in a straight line

It’s clear with the laser, but the projectile from the railgun does not have a constant speed and it’s not enough to go into / out of orbit, therefore it flies not in a straight line, but according to the laws of ballistics and, of course, a hundred pounds will plop over the horizon

Even if there was a constant speed, it would still "flop". Unless this is the first space speed.

[KaPToC]

The problem with long-range guns is different, the problem is in getting, especially on moving targets, the shells must be made manageable, and this brings them closer to the price of missiles.

[Mavrikiy]

"Zircon" is good, but it needs acceleration and commissioning.

[Observer2014]

"The range of a new rocket can be up to 400 kilometers, and its flight speed will exceed the speed of sound by five to six times."
Actually, not long ago, and "Caliber" hit 300 km.
So up to 400 km something is hard to believe
Yes, such cruisers need at least 4 pieces. To the North couple and the Pacific Fleet. We cut two into scrap metal, but not in return. Although the new frigates became capable of much, they practically became destroyers.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Observer2014

"The range of a new rocket can be up to 400 kilometers, and its flight speed will exceed the speed of sound by five to six times."
Actually, not long ago, and "Caliber" hit 300 km.
So up to 400 km something is hard to believe

It depends on which version. At 400 km for RCC it is hard to believe.
The same "Caliber" flight range of anti-ship missiles (3M54) and KR (3M14) differ by an order of magnitude.

[Inok10]

Quote: Observer2014

Yes, such cruisers need at least 4 pieces. To the North couple and the Pacific Fleet. Two were cut into scrap metal.

... as far as I remember ... "Peter the Great" is in service, "Nakhimov" is on the stocks for modernization, "Lazarev" was docked and repaired in 2014, there is no decision on it ... if there was a decision, it was only on the head from the entire series "Kirov" aka "Ushakov" on the water since 1977, in the fleet since 1980 ... so who was cut in the amount of 2 pieces? ...

[Inok10]

P.S. ... "Lazarev" after repair in the dock ... 4.12.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX ...

[Botanologist]

EMNIP, Nakhimov and Peter will remain in service. Lazarev docking took place to ensure the unsinkability of the hull . Ushakov, a campaign, that's all.
Maybe someone will correct it, my data is not "first-hand".
Of course, I would like to take a couple of cruisers to the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet, and surrounded by destroyers and frigates, I would like to slowly walk along foreign shores

[RUSLAN]

So what was the point of doing the Lazarev case repair? If you explain in the subject?

[Botanologist]

Ensuring unsinkability. Drown - tryndets everything, there is a reactor after all.

[RUSLAN]

Well, since Lazarev’s hull was shawned, it means another boat will serve! Now everyone has learned to count money! And with Ushakov, apparently, everything’s decided ... It's a pity of course, but what to do, age.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Observer2014

Actually, not long ago, and "Caliber" hit 300 km.
So up to 400 km something is hard to believe

Here is what the article says - The characteristics of the new rocket remain classified. At the same time, TASS, citing open sources, notes that “range a new rocket could make up to 400 kilometers, speed her flight will exceed the speed of sound five to six times»
What is it like?

Quote: Observer2014

Cut two into scrap metal

Sources?

Quote: Observer2014

Almost became destroyers

Universalization - that's right.

[Alex777]

What then is with Ustinov?
Leadership until the end of 2016 promised to put on it a missile system "... which is not yet available."
I already dreamed about Zircon. Either he or the surrender of Ustinov will be delayed ... Which is not good.

[Ustinov 055 055]

From 055m everything will be fine, you will find out soon

[Ustinov 055 055]

From 055m everything will be fine, you will find out soon

[ametist415]

Learn to build ships and go to work at the factory. Can you?

[sergant89]

God forbid that it works, otherwise the news about Armata is not very joyful:
The Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the Uralvagonzavod enterprise for the supply of Armata 100 tanks.
“We have contracted 100 tanks,” Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told reporters.
Borisov also noted that the country's defense department is a fairly new tank, but "does not force his purchases. "
“We have a good modernization potential for the T-72 tank”, - he added.

[St Petrov]

100 pieces for break-in in the troops. They are doing everything right.

Or immediately order 1000 and then treat the whole thousand? And if serious sores occur?

c-35 example before the eyes. Our and reinsured

[Abbra]

That's right, I completely agree. "Armata" needs to be tested, "tortured" and studied these 100 copies. to such an extent that the BIG SERIES went with the condition of finishing touches, comments, etc. and so on. You have to be an idiot to buy such a novelty for our army in a large series.

[avt]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Or immediately order 1000 and then treat the whole thousand? And if serious sores occur?

c-35 example before the eyes

Well, on the subject, it’s quite a life example in the feeling of the T-64. Which resulted in three MBT

[ty60]

A wonderful example! Competing factories and a modern engine-counterpart! The main untreated hole is 64ki. In the eighties, they were half-dismantled in parks. The result of a large series in a hurry!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: avt

Well, on the subject, it’s quite a life example in the feeling of the T-64.

You can still remember the T-54. We wanted one and a half hundred in 1946 and four hundred in 1947 - but the real serial production began only in 1948. Because according to the results of tests of pre-production and head vehicles in 1946 and 1947, the lists of changes were rolled out to the plant for a total of more than 2000 points.

[Aleksey_K]

That's right, the best weapons should be gradually put on ships. Of course, the whole ship cannot be changed. But everything must be done so that the best weapons arrive in the shortest possible time.

[Arktidianets]

Nakhimov is an unfortunate name for the ship, the admiral himself cursed his name and this is a historical fact.

[ametist415]

Historically, all ships bearing this name have not had a fortune.

[RUSS]

Probably this is how the Zircon hypersonic rocket will look like

[Asadullah]

Probably this is how the Zircon hypersonic rocket will look like

The general tendency regarding the laws of physics .. No wonder. It’s more important to hear someday, the corrected hypersonic.

[Inok10]

Quote: Asadullah

It’s more important to hear someday, the corrected hypersonic.

... she will be like that, Brother Asadullah ... ... so far, except for us, no one has decided the plasma issue ...

[shinobi]

Nothing of the kind. Moreover, the approximate appearance of the "zircon" is very well known to everyone. Onyx. sound.

[atamankko]

Modernization is also a good thing.

[VP]

That everything is so wonderful with Zircon that they even decided to put in Nakhimov?
Something not to believe, there is still only the second month of the flight design GI is going on, for sure they will catch "fleas" and send them for revision, there are no tests without remarks.

[Moore]

With the Bulava, at first, not everything was great either.

[VP]

Well, that's why I am surprised.
The first launch of Zircon was in December, ended in failure. Then, in mid-February, GI was reported. In two months, did they all complete and didn’t reveal anything, immediately giving the go-ahead preparing for serial?

[opus]

Quote: VP

That everything is so wonderful with Zircon that they even decided to put in Nakhimov?

"Admiral Nakhimov" modernization until 2018 (knowing "our" 2019 at best)
3K-22 "Zircon" / "Zircon-S", rocket 3M-22: It is planned to complete the creation of the missile system by 2020.

Starting equipment - on the upgraded missile cruiser pr.11442M universal launcher vertical launch of UVPU 3S-14-11442M ("Onyx", "Caliber" and from it it is supposed to use 3M-22 missiles, and maybe the Bolid Complex, 3M15 missile)

[VP]

Well, the fact of the matter is that in a note not about a universal launcher, namely, about missiles, I specially re-read it)

[opus]

Quote: VP

not about a universal launcher, namely about missiles, I’ve specially re-read

so in UVPU 3S-14 you can cram, which is and calmly bring 3M-22.
After all, will not remain unarmed?

And about the rockets ....
it is not known at what stage.

[VP]

But then it is not clear why write about Zircon, if we are talking about UVPU, then, if according to the mind, they would write "a universal launcher will be installed from which it is possible to launch promising Zircon missiles."
But no, they blurted out "in the course of modernization they will equip with Zircon hypersonic missiles"

Quote: opus

And about the rockets ....
it is not known at what stage.

It is known - the beginning of flight design tests.
They last at least a year, usually. During the tests, some inconsistencies, some deviations, some critical conditions are identified, refinement is made, the next iteration of the tests is done ... All tests are completed, state tests, after which the go-ahead is given for adoption into service and production.

[Vadim237]

Most likely, the Zircon rocket will have a turbojet engine.

[opus]

Quote: Vadim237

Most likely, the Zircon rocket will have a turbojet engine.

Ramjet, it is 100% (otherwise you will not get range in such gabbarit).
As for the direct-flow air solid propellant, I doubt it. Rather, I have no doubt that it will not.No such yet.
And Sydex "M" (liquid) fuel is already being tested.
Decilin-M (The Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper published on 16 February 2016 interesting conversationswith Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Dmitry Bulgakov on the current state of the Fuel Service Armed Forces of Russia.)
In recent years, the following have been accepted for the supply of the Armed Forces:

• Decilin-M fuel, which allows to increase the range of use of cruise missiles by 250-300 km;
• jet fuel and diesel fuel with operating temperatures up to minus 65 degrees;
• fireproof summer and winter diesel fuel;
• all-weather oil KA-7,5 for TU-95MS rocket carriers (providing low-temperature start-up of turboprops without the use of airfield heating means and reducing the preparation time for an aircraft for departure by 6-8 hours);
• multigrade gear oil for the operation of modern and promising models of equipment of the Ground Forces, including Arctic brigades. It ensures that the equipment is ready for movement without heating at temperatures up to minus 60 degrees Celsius;
• universal multifunctional oil KRM, which allows lubrication, cleaning and corrosion protection of small arms and tank guns at temperatures from minus 50 to plus 50 degrees.

The production of all fuel and lubricants developed is fully provided by the domestic raw material and technological base.


Well, they wrote:
Based on the scientific developments of the Institute of Optical Chemistry of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Redkinsky Pilot Plant on an experimental industrial scale implemented the original safe process of catalytic cyclopropanation of stressed unsaturated hydrocarbons with diazomethane generated in situ directly in the reaction medium, providing 100% cyclopropane yield. This process forms the basis of the key production stage. high-energy rocket fuel Decilin-M, which was successfully tested during training combat launches of airborne cruise missiles

(Chemistry of unstable molecules and small cycles, head. - Academician O.M. Nefedov, lab. No. 6, manager. Professor Yu.V. Tomilov).
and the accelerator, but the solid propellant rocket engine

[Demeter]

Everything would be fine, but no matter how the fleet received another `` frigate Admiral Gorshkov '', on which for several years they have not been able to bring to mind the new weapons systems that have been installed on it ... Isn't it better to install already proven weapons on the cruiser, as a universal launcher for caliber missiles ?!

[Samen]

And on what to test the Zircons? To build a new cruiser for them? Long! So we get two in one. It is quite rational, whatever the outcome of the test work. Okay!

[Demeter]

Zircons need to be tested on coastal test benches, and not to build a new `` frigate Admiral Gorshkov '', from which there is no sense and it is not clear when it will be. The Navy needs combat-ready ships today, and empty promises of a bright future are tired of the 70 years of the Communist Party's rule.

[demiurg]

Somehow suddenly Zircons appeared. And dimension like Caliber. Coincidence?
Most likely they will develop 5-6 missiles in the final section, 50-60km, when they can be seen by the ship radar. On the march is unlikely to succeed, you can not shove the unedited. And warhead in 300-400kg, and a range of 400km, and hypersonic speed, and even at extremely low altitudes. And all this into a caliber-sized rocket. But even in this form, this is a fantastic breakthrough in the development of RCC.

[Bramb]

Suddenly, even the boil will not jump!
Many people have worked hard on this. But everyone is not supposed to know everything.

[mav1971]

Quote: Bramb

Suddenly, even the boil will not jump!
Many people have worked hard on this. But everyone is not supposed to know everything.

Physics is hard to fool. It’s even impossible.
Think. don’t think, but a kilogram of water still has a volume of 1 liter ...
No matter how many people think and work on this ...

[Bramb]

)))))
You taught physics badly. Just don’t say that water is not compressible. Do not. )))

[mav1971]

Quote: Bramb

)))))
You taught physics badly. Just don’t say that water is not compressible. Do not. )))

Do not invent for me - just answer: "How much does a liter of water weigh in grams?"

It was said in order to understand that the Zircon, which is here futuristically painted as a wunderwaffe, with fantastic characteristics of almost 5M average speed, like a flight range of 500-1000 km, and most importantly, that it would have ultra-compact dimensions for installation in future stadarized UVP - somewhere here "the dog is buried".
It cannot exist together. "
Something should go wrong.
Or the sizes will be appropriate for this type of missile.
Or the flight range will be 100km at low altitude and 300 at high altitude.
Or the speed will be only at the final stage.
Or the warhead mass should be closer to the anti-aircraft mass and the mass in 100kg.

Or is it true that a modified version of 40Н6Е from С-400 is given out as a potential Zircon (the same was said by Oleg Kaptsov as the first here) - then many of the characteristics can be realized.
In addition to the most important for RCC - low-altitude flight mode.
And this is not good.
Nevertheless, high-altitude, albeit high-speed targets, are easily confused by the existing air defense systems of ships. What is ours, what is overseas.

[KaPToC]

The density of sea water is 1025 g per m920, the density of frozen water is XNUMX kg mXNUMX. But rockets of different projects differ much more than two water molecules.

[opus]

Quote: mav1971

Think. don’t think, but a kilogram of water still has a volume of 1 liter ...

1. If the oxidizer is outboard, it is already + (or rather "-" with "kg of water"
2. The efficiency of the ramjet is higher (there is no compressor and turbine)

In direct-flow WFD, air compression is carried out only by converting the kinetic energy of the incoming flow. Thus, the compression work will be determined by the speed of the incoming air flow and the completeness of conversion of the kinetic energy into pressure in the diffuser of the engine.
3.GPVRD:
Inhibition of the air flow in the inlet of the scramjet engine occurs only partially, so that throughout the rest of the path the movement of the working fluid remains supersonic. Moreover, most of the original kinetic energy flow is conserved, and the temperature after compression is relatively low, which allows the working fluid to inform a significant amount of heat. Fuel is introduced into the supersonic flow from the walls of the engine flow passage. Due to the combustion of fuel in a supersonic flow, the working fluid heats up, expands and accelerates, so that the speed of its expiration exceeds the speed of flight.
4. When designing hypersonic engines of aircraft, a sharp decrease in drag is ensured by ensuring the small cross-section of the shell. In addition, at heights where scramjet engines operate, the highly rarefied atmosphere and friction acting on the apparatus are significantly lower than in the near-Earth layers. The flight of a hypersonic aircraft is approaching the flight of an Earth satellite ...

Quote: mav1971

No matter how many people think and work on this ...

EFFICIENCY 1 not achieved (far), work and work

[purple]

Quote: hrych

the height of a person standing at sea level, the distance to the horizon is only about five kilometers, i.e. an unfortunate cannon shooting 5-10 kilometers is capable of sending a projectile beyond the horizon, but these devices are not.

Well, dear nonsense, the laser and the railgun will clearly not be at the height of human growth ...
20-30 km real range is not a problem

[Bramb]

You are well done! You should be sent to the states as the head of this project ... I personally will only "for"! ))

[Verdun]

Well, dear nonsense, the laser and the railgun will clearly not be at the height of human growth ...
20-30 km real range is not a problem

Lasers ... Railguns ... All that is missing are the Autobots from Transformers and the Jaegers from the Pacific Rim. These beautiful comics were drawn for American citizens.

[mav1971]

Quote: Verdun

Well, dear nonsense, the laser and the railgun will clearly not be at the height of human growth ...
20-30 km real range is not a problem

Lasers ... Railguns ... All that is missing are the Autobots from Transformers and the Jaegers from the Pacific Rim. These beautiful comics were drawn for American citizens.

Do you think that only sapper blades are for us?
Are Russians only hardcore?


Do the names "Foros" and "Dixon" tell you anything?
Did the A-60 pass you by?

As a teenager, I knew that the parents of some of my friends who worked at the Samara Institute of Physics and Technology were very often in Sary-Shagan, just on the laser theme.

Apparently you also know nothing about the ongoing work of the Russian institute of high temperatures?
But they are in the near-war theme by ear, as the developers of one of those same railguns ... State money, by the way, is being mastered.
They continue to work.

[Verdun]

You have parents at the Lebedev Physical Institute, and I have a wife in Shubnikov ... The problem is not in creating a railgun, but in a compact power source. Further stationary installations advance no. That's when it will be possible to create an anti-personnel laser smaller than a refrigerator, then we'll talk.

[Verdun]

As a result, he will receive Zircon hypersonic missiles

The main thing is not to repeat the story of the Bulava, when the rocket seems to be there, but only does not really want to fly, and the ships for it have already been built. And of course it is necessary to return the cruiser to service. He still has to swim and swim.

[Ustinov 055 055]

YES Brezhnev's "yacht" was also built, but they did not have missiles even during the Soviet era. God grant that new missiles, ships appear, the Eagles are modernized. Yes, here in the service I have to deal with the Asterisk a lot, etc. I know how the modernization works are going, and so on, so I'm afraid that all this will drag on for an incomprehensible period

[Ustinov 055 055]

YES Brezhnev's "yacht" was also built, but they did not have missiles even during the Soviet era. God grant that new missiles, ships appear, the Eagles are modernized. Yes, here in the service I have to deal with the Asterisk a lot, etc. I know how the modernization works are going, and so on, so I'm afraid that all this will drag on for an incomprehensible period

[Verdun]

Exactly. How is it in "Khoja Nasreddin"? "After all, in twenty years one of the three of us will surely die - either the emir, or the donkey, or me. And then go and figure it out ...".

[From Samara]

For some reason, they never wrote in a note that he was Atomic ...

I wonder what is silent about the Kyrgyz Caliber? Indeed, a lot of them will fit into this Cruiser!

[shinobi]

Subsonic gauges, have long been in gray and the niche of their application is somewhat different.

[a housewife]

Admiral Nakhimov is undoubtedly a Hero! And I'm not superstitious. But ... Three "Admiral Nakhimov" sank. Three! Two of them are in Novorossiysk. Maybe still rename?

[From Samara]

I like how in Japan warships are called, not by Surnames, but by the names of the Mountains, by the names of the provinces ... Azuma, Yamato ... or Raiden (Thunder and Lightning), Hiru (Flying Dragon) ...

Beautiful!

[Navuxonastupil]

Quote: housewife

Admiral Nakhimov is undoubtedly a Hero! And I'm not superstitious. But ... Three "Admiral Nakhimov" sank. Three! Two of them are in Novorossiysk. Maybe still rename?

Exactly .. The name is not caste! Rename to Russian Crimea!

[Gippo]

He still has to swim and swim.

Floating manure in the hole. Ships go.
But on the whole I agree - the potential is huge - to serve and go to the "Admiral" for a long time.
Such people are no longer being built now.

[shinobi]

Domestic hypersonic ramjets were finally brought to mind. There was a problem with disruption of the gas flow in the air intake at steep angles of maneuvering. Dvigun was choked and deaf. It was brought up for a long time, from the mid 80s. But better later than never, everything is ahead of everyone and it pleases.

[Zomanus]

Well, given the deadlines, which also tend to shift to the right,
"Zircon" will have time to bring to mind before delivery. Interestingly, the weapons will be modular
Or will they be installed locally?

[kirieeleyson]

Somehow everything is already by the dates, by 2020 they want to withdraw the GLONASS grouping, make the geo-position accuracy up to 1m., And "zircons" and S-500 and so on. Target designation, a big problem for the Orlans, has been and remains. Hypersound is great, but what's the point that it flies 400 km in 3 minutes if it can't hit a moving target.

[drunkram]

eh ... I would like to have more battleships in the ranks, well, I think everything has its time

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: drunkram

eh ... I would like to have more battleships in the ranks, well, I think everything has its time

This class of ships is no longer under construction for twenty years))))))

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: drunkram

eh ... I would like to have more battleships in the ranks, well, I think everything has its time

This class of ships is no longer under construction for twenty years))))))

[Ustinov 055 055]

Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great could form the backbone of the new 7OPESK SF and build 2 cruisers to strengthen the aircraft carrier or, at worst, 4-6 destroyers, plus 2 DPLC to replenish with 4 ships. And one could already speak of a more or less normal composition of the Northern Fleet in the part of the ships of the Rear Admiral and 1st rank. Oh, to see again together the eagles on the database

[ametist415]

Carriers need at least three hulls, such as the CVN-78. One is under repair, two serve on the SF and Pacific Fleet. They also need appropriate bases and dry docks, and much more is needed, three hundred deck pilots for example. We have only a few people. Now this is not possible, if we have been building pr. 22380 for almost ten years, then we will build AB for forty years and we do not have large dry docks.

[abc_alex]

Quote: mav1971

It cannot exist together. "
Something should go wrong.
Or the sizes will be appropriate for this type of missile.
Or the flight range will be 100km at low altitude and 300 at high altitude.
Or the speed will be only at the final stage.
Or the warhead mass should be closer to the anti-aircraft mass and the mass in 100kg.

Did someone tell you that the rocket will drive all the way for five swings? There is such a thing - a combined flight mode. The same P-700 speeds in different parts of the trajectory are very different. :)

Quote: purple

Well, dear nonsense, the laser and the railgun will clearly not be at the height of human growth ...
20-30 km real range is not a problem

With numbers: Moscow cruiser midships in height 40 meters minus 8 meters draft. The horizon is 20 kilometers with a little. Correctly calculated?
AK-130 has a maximum range of 23 km. Do you think playing with the railgun is worth the candle? If you haven't decided yet, let me remind you that the firing range of the 152-mm gun of the "Coalition SV" self-propelled guns is up to 70 km. When put on deck, it will throw more than 20 km beyond the horizon. Calculate how high you need to raise the railgun for such a horizon range?

I don’t say anything specifically about the laser, since ship lasers have been proven unsuitable for firing along the surface of the sea for a long time. Water, it has an unpleasant habit of evaporating from its own surface, which reduces the efficiency of the entire installation to values ​​not exceeding 10%.

[Pygmy]

It’s good if Nakhimov is put into operation in 2019, after all, they started a deep modernization.
There has been a debate about lasers for a long time and many agreed that putting on a ship was washed away only as an additional air defense system. And as for EM weapons, even the Americans have not yet fully understood how to use it, roofing felts as howitzer artillery (at a distance of 180 km or more), roofing felts as ordinary (within line of sight). In one of the articles it was written that with these tools the elevation angle will be about 80 degrees.

[Ksi-14]

balalay, you can get a candelabrum in the face