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Kalashnikov: Lebedev's pistol tests will be completed before the end of the year

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Testing Lebedev pistol (PL-14) should be completed in the current year, reports TASS a message from the general director of the Kalashnikov concern, Alexei Krivoruchko.




“Now we are working within the framework of the technical assignment in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, we plan to finish this year. We hope that next year it will be produced, ”the general director said on the air of Ekho Moskvy.

The pistol may also be ordered by the Ministry of the Interior

“The new pistol chambered for the 9x19 mm is distinguished by its small thickness - from the 21 mm in the front part to the 28 mm in the area of ​​the handle. The two-sided arrangement and configuration of the "PL-14" controls allow it to be used with both the right and left hand, and the characteristics weapons make it comfortable in terms of recoil, throwing after a shot and quickly returning to the aiming line ”, - told in the concern.

For the first time the gun was shown at the Army-2015 exhibition.

“The modified and modified version will be presented at the Army-2016 forum,” Krivoruchko said.
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  1. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 19 2016 13: 57
    -30%
    Russian rework of "Glock-17".
    It would be better if the GSH-18 were brought to modern requirements. All in all, a new frame needs to be done with the Euro-guide under the LCC and other mutaten.
    1. Samen
      Samen April 19 2016 14: 03
      +40
      said the CEO on air of Echo of Moscow.

      Since when did Echo become interested in gunsmiths? Oh, it's not good ...
      Russian rework of "Glock-17".

      Yeah! And yes, their color is the same!))))
      1. ver_
        ver_ April 19 2016 14: 57
        -43%
        ... khe, khe, if the trellis is an officer’s personal weapon - what's the difference with which to shoot - you won’t miss tea in your head, or is it not fashionable with PM?
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp April 19 2016 15: 23
          +7
          It seems to me that in modern conditions every soldier (at least from a sergeant) should be able to re-equip himself with a gun. But in modern conditions, PM is not enough. Even PMM. The cartridge is rather weak on sib.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich April 19 2016 16: 17
            -12%
            Izotovp
            But in modern conditions, PM is not enough. Even PMM. The cartridge is rather weak on sib.


            Have people in the past been softer than "modern conditions"?
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp April 19 2016 16: 21
              +19
              Of course, they had less Kevlar and ceramics. PM was developed when there were not so many bronikov))).
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich April 19 2016 21: 05
                -1
                Izotovp
                But in modern conditions, PM is not enough.


                Armor-piercing cartridge 9 × 18 mm PBM (for PM): 418 J against 273 J with a standard 9 mm PM bullet at a range of 10 m

                418 J - not enough?
                1. Izotovp
                  Izotovp April 19 2016 21: 22
                  +2
                  This cartridge is for PMM. Simple PM does not withstand it. But ... the length of the sighting line, the ease of operation, ... not so much it already withstands competition with more modern models. Although PMM, I personally consider it a fairly successful gun if it is retrofitted with a collimator.
        2. ver_
          ver_ April 20 2016 04: 06
          0
          ... the number of minuses shows the number of website visitors whose childhood plays in the ass .., it’s time for kids to grow up ..
      2. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig April 19 2016 17: 39
        +4
        Quote: Semen

        Yeah! And yes, their color is the same!))))

        Why are there also green ones? Or blue ones?
      3. nesvobodnye
        nesvobodnye April 19 2016 20: 40
        0
        All the time they make programs with the military, the defense industry, many who go there.
    2. Theline
      Theline April 19 2016 14: 05
      +5
      Neither externally, nor by characteristics is unlike. As for me, it looks much more like a TT than a Glock.
    3. Now we are free
      Now we are free April 19 2016 14: 11
      +22
      Quote: wanderer_032
      Russian rework of "Glock-17".

      You say too ... Although there are some design solutions that are available in both models of pistols. The PL-14 still has to show itself. Glock 17 has long been in operation around the world and positive reviews about it are many times greater than negative. I hope the PL-14 will not lag behind its Austrian counterpart in positive qualities (and Glock really has a lot of them). The only question that I would like to ask the PL-14 developers is, Guys and there was no other ammunition like 9 * 19 ??? Yes, it is widespread in the world, and it is much better in terms of performance characteristics than the domestic 9 * 18, BUT the leading gunsmiths of the world and many new developed calibers, such as 5,7 × 28 mm and 10x22 / .40 S&W, have long been trying to get away from this caliber. are very successful for a certain range of tasks.
      Among the domestic ammunition, one can distinguish both excellent ammunition: 9 × 21 mm and the old proven one (and still remaining in large quantities)
      7,62 × 25 mm) ammunition. But no, we are following the path of accepting the "aging" ammunition 9 * 19, not only ammunition is a potential enemy, and this is depressing ...
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 19 2016 14: 17
        +5
        Quote: Now we are free
        Among domestic ammunition can be distinguished as a wonderful ammunition: 9 × 21


        Do you say such a thing ?! laughing PM is our everything! By using up cartridges in the store, they can still manually finish off someone they haven’t hit. laughing
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut April 19 2016 15: 09
          -13%
          and it’s convenient to open the bottles when the shutter is set to a delay. The pukalka is interesting, they knocked over a box of beer to the head of firing: from 30 meters no one could get into the standard target
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 09
            +14
            Looks like a quarrel first, then shot. drinks
            And the gun is beautiful, right for the eyes to see.
          2. Dam
            Dam April 19 2016 23: 35
            +4
            Probably consumed before the argument and not beer?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 19 2016 15: 45
          +12
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Do you say such a thing ?! laughing PM is our everything! By using up cartridges in the store, they can still manually finish off someone they haven’t hit. laughing

          Heaviness is good. Heaviness is reliable. Even if you don’t shoot, you can always give such a blow to the head.
          (c) Boris Razor smile
      2. Pereira
        Pereira April 19 2016 14: 45
        -14%
        I'm interested in something else. PL-14 due to what should Glock surpass? And if it does not surpass, then why is it needed? Isn't it easier to release Glock under license?
        I understand patriotism and all that. But for the sake of high-quality weapons, you can tolerate.
        1. Grandfather Luka
          Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 17: 06
          +3
          The task to surpass anyone is not worth it. There is a need for new weapons that meet certain requirements.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 20 2016 08: 14
            0
            That is, the new sample is obviously worse?
        2. vic58
          vic58 April 19 2016 17: 17
          +2
          Have you shot from Glock? hi
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 17: 24
            +1
            It’s probably not worth making an arrow out of yourself.
      3. Izotovp
        Izotovp April 19 2016 15: 44
        +8
        9 * 21 was born by order of the FSB. The army for a long time could not decide on the caliber of the pistol, the factories want to ensure the profitability of the production of new pistols, so they need a shaft, production volume, and only in the domestic market where the pistol is still considered as either a special weapon of anti-terrorists or as an officer weapon and very rarely when the second weapon of the infantry contract soldier is small. And in the foreign market, it drives 9 * 19 according to a combination of factors: weight and size, price, power ....
        By the way, to make a modern armor-piercing 7,62 * 25 would be interesting precisely for army and non-police purposes hi
        1. VP
          VP April 19 2016 17: 05
          +7
          As far as I know, they made 9mm macaroni because of the fact that in a melee after the arrival of such a bullet no one needs additives, it immediately knocks down. And at 7,62 TTs according to the experience of the Second World War, the stopping force was not always enough, after the shot the enemy received it could still answer before rolling his eyes.
          Therefore, among versions 7 and 9, they settled on the second.
          So the army nine is better.
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp April 19 2016 17: 12
            +4
            It was better on soft targets. In terms of stopping action, then it's better .45))). But there are fewer of them in the store. And on sib, "nails" - small-caliber armor-piercing ammunition with improvements in ballistics work better.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 19 2016 19: 39
              +2
              SOCOM 45 caliber and took the H&K Mk 23. And the muffler is screwed well and there is no need to shoot 2 times.
              The return is less than that of Makarov, 12 rounds. A sight for sore eyes ...
              1. Izotovp
                Izotovp April 19 2016 19: 49
                0
                I agree, but it's special forces. And an army pistol from foreign cars would be better hk ucp or fn five-seven. It's just that if we are talking about a police pistol, this is one thing, about special forces-another, about infantry-the third. Let’s then divide the scope. The same sniper needs a silencer, but not an infantry one.
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 19 2016 20: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Izotovp
                  I agree, but it's special forces. And an army pistol from foreign cars would be better hk ucp or fn five-seven.

                  There are mainly ZIG Zaur, according to revolvers 357 Colt Python, 6 inch barrel.
                  Getting into Bronik, from the type of protection but mostly spread, lung kalaps, fracture of the ribs is ensured. This was learned from a relative, worker Glock 45, a spare two-inch revolver.
                  PM police! smile
                  1. Izotovp
                    Izotovp April 19 2016 20: 23
                    0
                    Is it police or army?
                    1. marshes
                      marshes April 19 2016 20: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Izotovp
                      Is it police or army?

                      In the states, the service shirifov. The police are mainly armed with 9 kami. It depends on the budget.
                      Army 9, Bereta 92 mainly except for special units.
                      Zigi's Secret Service, FBI. Mostly in the gland.
                      What is interesting is the US, they buy trunks for their own. There is still a district budget, which is quite rich in its own way. Kolt M4, for the Ponti Tomi mini gun. State Texas. laughing
                      1. Izotovp
                        Izotovp April 19 2016 20: 41
                        0
                        Then his choice is understandable. Pure police, although not poor))). US Army men also complained about the insufficient stopping effect of 9 * 19 in Iraq. Asked .45. But in fact, they also worked for soft goals, not for the army. Primarily. Against the partisans.
                      2. marshes
                        marshes April 19 2016 20: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Izotovp
                        Then his choice is understandable. Pure police, although not poor))

                        He simply said that it is possible to use a tayzer in a city full of "democrats" as a stopper. And so the state, overflowing with migrants, drugs and hamburger-eating carcasses, does not stop at 90 kg.9.
                        In another world where the average carcass weight is 75, the nine is the most.
                        In PM, a bullet has a more stopping effect than 9 luger.
                      3. Izotovp
                        Izotovp April 19 2016 21: 17
                        +2
                        Then everything is logical and good that people can choose the tool they need to work.
                      4. marshes
                        marshes April 19 2016 21: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Izotovp
                        Then everything is logical and good that people can choose the tool they need to work.

                        And they have a wide choice, up to the Browning machine gun. laughing
                        He told me here how he bought a lump there, so that they wouldn’t take it at the airport, but what kind of shoes did he carry? The passport for the STAN ends.
                        Stupidly, they flew to the wedding, but then they sent the car in a container. laughing It’s just that coming with Germany is the same. laughing Let them come by themselves.
  2. Grandfather Luka
    Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 17: 11
    0
    What for ? There are 7.62 # 39.
    1. vic58
      vic58 April 19 2016 17: 19
      +4
      Yes Yes! And there is also "cranberry" (well, to be sure) laughing
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  • lukke
    lukke April 19 2016 14: 24
    +2
    It would be better if the GSH-18 were brought to modern requirements. All in all, a new frame needs to be done with the Euro-guide under the LCC and other mutaten.
    And just something ?!) And how do you eliminate the toss during shooting? hang weights
  • Juborg
    Juborg April 19 2016 14: 27
    +7
    You wanderer or a full kettle or a resonator, anyhow what to write. You should at least look at the pictures of these two pistols, and then knock on the "keyboard". The GSh is a good pistol, but it belongs to a special weapon, and this weapon should, according to the idea, replace the PM, as a personal weapon of a soldier, an officer.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 19 2016 15: 21
    +5
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Russian rework of "Glock-17".

    The only similarity is that they are GUNS. Where is Glock-17? He doesn’t even have a flag fuse what
    1. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 28
      +2
      I also don’t understand where there who Glock saw?
  • Portolan
    Portolan April 19 2016 15: 42
    +1
    grasping gun!
    1. Berber
      Berber April 19 2016 16: 28
      +1
      I also liked it. Externally, ergonomics should be better than PM.
  • Dam
    Dam April 19 2016 23: 33
    0
    And why do you need Ltsu and other crap in the gun? For show-offs?
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 19 2016 13: 58
    +4
    Interesting machine. True, until at least an experimental batch appears, there is nothing reliable about its combat characteristics, applicability, reliability, etc. we don’t know - continuous advertising.
    1. avt
      avt April 19 2016 14: 07
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Interesting machine.

      Than? That's specifically the mechanics of what? For the appearance I do not ask.
      Quote: Vik66
      Looks like a sports pistol,

      Probably Rogozin slept with the "swift" and this "swan" appeared
      Quote: Stalker.1977
      Principles of work: recoil of the barrel

      what That is, the mechanics of antiquity Browning ??
      1. CHILD
        CHILD April 19 2016 14: 13
        +3
        but what is bad then? ... a run-in and tested circuit .... Th city fence ... you need a good high-tech gun, and not a confirmation of another genius))))
      2. Grandfather Luka
        Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 34
        0
        A little work principles have been invented, from the word completely, all that could have been invented, and there are thousands of good weapons in the world, and what's next? Based on your logic? I ask you to continue your conclusions, it would be interesting to hear.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 19 2016 16: 27
      +10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Interesting machine. True, until at least an experimental batch appears, there is nothing reliable about its combat characteristics, applicability, reliability, etc. we don’t know - continuous advertising.

      GUN LEBEDEV:
      Diameter of the bore: 9x19
      Length: 220 mm
      Height: 136 mm
      Thickness: 28 mm
      Barrel length: 127 mm
      Magazine capacity: 15
      Empty weight of the magazine: 0,8 kg
      Weight with the equipped magazine: 0,99 kg
      1. hartlend
        hartlend April 19 2016 21: 33
        +1
        The diameter of the barrel channel cannot be 9x19. There is no such unit of measure. This is a type of ammunition.
  • Vik66
    Vik66 April 19 2016 13: 59
    +2
    Outwardly similar to a sports pistol, the protruding butt plate is somehow not impressive ...
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 19 2016 16: 31
      +6
      Quote: Vik66
      Outwardly similar to a sports pistol, the protruding butt plate is somehow not impressive ...
    2. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 50
      +4
      Due to the increased back plate, the length of the aiming line is increased, which compares favorably with the same PM.
  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 April 19 2016 14: 00
    +5
    Awesome thing! Lies in his hand like a native!
    Glock-17 ??? Do not tell my grandmother! ))))
    Rather, then - Swift.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 19 2016 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Glock-17 ??? Do not tell my grandmother! ))))
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 19 2016 14: 07
        0
        Compared:
        1. CHILD
          CHILD April 19 2016 14: 16
          +12
          .... well, with such success, Makarov is also similar to them)))) one plagiarism in general, and here they ripped off !!!)))))
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 54
            0
            At the expense of plagiarism ..... healthy humor is great.
        2. VP
          VP April 19 2016 14: 28
          +6
          Well, what are the similarities? And there and there is a barrel and a hilt or something?
          1. Koshak
            Koshak April 19 2016 16: 42
            +13
            Quote: VP
            Well, what are the similarities? And there and there is a barrel and a hilt or something?

            Yeah. And the Su-35 was ripped off the Bleriot XI. Both are monoplane and both have chassis.
          2. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka April 19 2016 16: 56
            +5
            And he is also black. Well, they definitely ripped off.
        3. Berber
          Berber April 19 2016 16: 34
          +1
          Our trunk line is lower. So the trunk will be tossed less. And the gunsmiths tear at the mechanics of each other, starting with the first pistols. So if something was torn and improved, I think there is nothing wrong with that.
      2. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 April 19 2016 14: 08
        +4
        Our fuse has a flag, and Glock?
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 April 19 2016 14: 13
          -1
          Quote: Mihalich17
          and Glock?

          On the trigger.
          The front part of the PL-14 shutter casing is a molded Glock-17. Their automation system is the same - Browning's.

          Their common ancestor:
          1. uskrabut
            uskrabut April 19 2016 15: 12
            +3
            all pistols except parabellum, cousins ​​of Browning
          2. Trigger-Happy
            Trigger-Happy April 19 2016 15: 17
            +3
            Colt 1908
            Quote: wanderer_032
            Their common ancestor:

            and then this is the great-ancestor. Nothing like ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 19 2016 15: 42
              +4
              Quote: Trigger-Happy
              and then this is the great-ancestor. Reminds nothing

              Reminiscent of an item that looks like Browning 1900 ... crying laughing In short, the Wanderer is engaged in nonsense.
            2. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 April 21 2016 06: 33
              0
              Quote: Trigger-Happy
              and then this is the great-ancestor. Nothing like ...


              The firm "Colt" took the Browning system as a basis for the manufacture of its semi-automatic pistols. Read the story, they say it is useful.
  • Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 April 19 2016 14: 02
    +4

    Type: self-loading pistol
    History of production
    Constructor: Dmitry Lebedev
    Manufacturer: Kalashnikov
    Features
    Weight, kg: 0,8—0,99
    Length, mm: 220
    Barrel length, mm: 127
    Width, mm: 28 [1]
    Height, mm: 136
    Cartridge: 9 × 19 mm Parabellum [2]
    Caliber, mm: 9 [1]
    Principles of work: recoil of the barrel
    Type of ammunition: 15-round box magazine
  • AID.S
    AID.S April 19 2016 14: 06
    +2
    We are waiting for user feedback on the flamp, hopefully only enthusiastic.
  • marshes
    marshes April 19 2016 14: 14
    +2
    And what’s wrong with PM, you can constructively improve it. Increase magazine capacity, barrel length. Try different calibers, 9x17 Browning, but there is something to do. 9x19 Parabelum / Luger.
    PM is a reliable thing.
    According to the Glocks, in recent times they often use the 19th, comparable to the PM and the 26th, something like PSM.
    And so Osama Benladen seemed PM.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 19 2016 14: 33
      +5
      Bin Laden had AKSU, he advertised it everywhere, he took it from the general)))
      1. marshes
        marshes April 19 2016 14: 45
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        Bin Laden had AKSU, he advertised it everywhere, he took it from the general)))

        So in the pictures "lairs" and PM lit up. Possibly Walter PP / K.
        Ksenia is a chic thing in a dispute between business entities, like a clenched fist smile
        And for me, PM, AK-74, AKM - more confidence, then that before the perestroika years released.
  • bootlegger
    bootlegger April 19 2016 14: 15
    +13

  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 19 2016 14: 49
    +4
    Only the ending bothers .... - said Krivoruchko.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 19 2016 14: 54
    +1
    Quote: Semen
    said the CEO on air of Echo of Moscow.

    Since when did Echo become interested in gunsmiths? Oh, it's not good ...
    Russian rework of "Glock-17".

    Yeah! And yes, their color is the same!))))

    Strange as it may seem, on Echo Matzah there is a program called "War Council", where directors of circulating enterprises act. The previous 40-year-old general director of Kalashnikov by the name of Kuzyuk, and now the general director of OJSC "Technodinamika", also often happens on Ekho Matzo. Coincidence, I don't think so)
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 19 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Will end. At least in the title it is necessary to follow the rules of writing "tsya" and "tsya".
    1. hartlend
      hartlend April 19 2016 21: 39
      0
      The title is spelled correctly without a soft sign.
  • marshes
    marshes April 19 2016 15: 09
    0
    In general, it will be difficult for the Kalashnikov concern to compete with pistols and revolvers in the foreign market. Only by the possible cheapness. The market is "packed".
    The only solution is PM, modernized. A comfortable handle, preferably made of rubber. Otherwise, for convenience, you wrap the slippery "cheeks" on the handle with black resin tape or medical fabric adhesive tape. The same CIS countries will buy. Here the caliber must be increased to 9x19 ,The most common.
    Competitors Czechs and Austrians.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp April 19 2016 15: 32
      +4
      In PM 9 * 19, there is not much to shove; energy is too much for a free shutter.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 19 2016 15: 47
        -1
        Quote: Izotovp
        In PM 9 * 19, there is not much to shove; energy is too much for a free shutter.

        Then you need to think. At the APS, the Makarov cartridge has the same barrel 140 mm. At the PM-93,5 mm.
        After all, the Germans had attempts with Walther PP Super, then they created Walther P-5. The truth is with a short stroke of the barrel.
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp April 19 2016 15: 55
          +3
          Therefore, the stroke length of the APS is longer and the pressure manages to decrease further. And even that is a moderator.
          1. marshes
            marshes April 19 2016 15: 58
            0
            Quote: Izotovp
            Therefore, the stroke length of the APS is longer and the pressure manages to decrease further. And even that is a moderator

            Therefore, I wrote to increase the length of the barrel. A little higher.
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp April 19 2016 16: 10
              +2
              http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/ots-27-berdysh-r.html
              1. marshes
                marshes April 19 2016 16: 29
                +1
                Quote: Izotovp
                http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/ots-27-berdysh-r.html

                I use this site as a reference.
                Just try to increase the PM barrel by 30mm, with a frame. Create an elegant weapon. And increase the old store.
                I consider it as a combined arms.
                Spetsura herself must choose one or another weapon that would be convenient to "work" in the flesh up to revolvers 357, caliber.
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut April 19 2016 15: 17
    +3
    talk about the foreign market in the second place. the point is to provide the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with their pistols and their defense industry
    1. marshes
      marshes April 19 2016 15: 21
      0
      Quote: uskrabut
      talk about the foreign market in the second place. the point is to provide the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with their pistols and their defense industry

      There is a PM, let it be. Just as described from above, carry out "modernization".
      not really in the 9x18 PM warehouses.
      A gun is a personal weapon.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp April 19 2016 17: 50
        0
        PM is better to leave the police, the district. There, his eyes are enough !!
        1. marshes
          marshes April 19 2016 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Izotovp
          PM is better to leave the police, the district. There, his eyes are enough !!

          I agree 100%. To him there is also a "companion" weapon In the form of PP. The same Bison or something like that.
  • Alexez
    Alexez April 19 2016 15: 17
    +9
    So - the ПЯ and ГШ-18 are already in service, and the first one is criticized by everyone for constant delays (he personally observed a series of delays - about 1 delay for every 2 magazines), and the second for rude execution of the product and tossing during the shot, yes and the main feature of the General Staff is completely different, namely, the possibility of penetrating armor plates, which is not entirely specific to the tasks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. If the PL-14 will be deprived of the diseases of its predecessors, while retaining their strengths (ergonomics and lightness due to the use of composite materials GSH) in combination with an increased relative to the PM store, then we can see a single gun for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense, while export potential. I think this is a very good sign! PS and purely outwardly he likes me)))
    1. marshes
      marshes April 19 2016 15: 25
      0
      Quote: Alexez
      with good export potential

      The market with Glocks, Berets and Zigs is clogged. There is CHEZET.
      And a specific 45 gauge.
      Only on machine guns, assault rifles, the market can be occupied.
      1. Alexez
        Alexez April 19 2016 17: 56
        +2
        The price / quality ratio has also not been canceled, so if our PL-14 will cost 2 times less, and it will be better to shoot or on a par with competitors, then many in the West I think they will still prefer ours))
        1. marshes
          marshes April 19 2016 17: 59
          0
          Quote: Alexez
          then many in the West, I think, still prefer ours))

          In the West, people who own weapons are conservative. A revolver or a pump-action shotgun. And that’s right away.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 19 2016 15: 29
    +2
    In our century, many pistols are somewhat similar to each other ... we need our gun, as a PM tested already since 1951 ... the time for replacing it has long come
  • Shilochnik
    Shilochnik April 19 2016 15: 42
    +3
    The best gun is a machine gun.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 19 2016 21: 28
      0
      Try to drag two at once. smile
  • raid14
    raid14 April 19 2016 16: 13
    -3
    How much will this "miracle" of design ideas cost? How many shots the barrel life is calculated for, labor intensity in production, in comparison with PMM or PYa.
  • Slon1978
    Slon1978 April 19 2016 16: 17
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    The market with Glocks, Berets and Zigs is clogged. There is CHEZET.
    And a specific 45 gauge.
    Only on machine guns, assault rifles, the market can be occupied.

    It should be understood that the civilian weapons market is primarily an external aesthetics, secondly - the price, and only thirdly - its characteristics. Pistols in the United States are bought by civilian buyers with heart and soul, and only secondarily with their heads. Given that everything is in order for the PL-14 with 1 and 3 factors, they will put the right price - they will take it from the USA. Moreover, the Kalashnikov brand and the general trend "made in Russia" in the area of ​​small arms in the United States have been fairly well promoted by the efforts of Izhmash.
    The only thing that confuses me in this whole story is that the PL-14 state would not fail. tests, and they are very severe in our country ... even probably too severe by modern standards. Then he will repeat the fate of Strike One / Swift.
    1. marshes
      marshes April 19 2016 16: 41
      -1
      Quote: Slon1978
      . Pistols in the United States by civilian buyers are bought soul and heart, and only secondarily by the head.

      Not much is familiar with the civilian weapons market in the United States; there are relatives in law enforcement agencies, and possibly in criminal ones. smile
      Quote: Slon1978
      Given that everything is in order with the PL-14 and with 1 and 3 factors, they will put the right price - they will take it in the USA.

      They won’t, they buy revolvers in 70%. It’s easier to use. It’s short-lived. The people there are ... conservative.
      Quote: Slon1978
      Moreover, the Kalashnikov brand and the general trend of "made in Russia" in the area of ​​small arms in the United States have been fairly well promoted by the efforts of Izhmash.

      Well, yes AK-47 ?, they’ll just buy AK or AKM under 7.62x39 if the law permits. Moreover, the ammunition itself is produced if from Canada.
      For a show-off under 7.62x39, where possible, use RUGER-14 MINI and also the Springs of the Springs. This is deer or roe deer. Paradox hunting is allowed there but there are more animals than here, at least Kazakhstan.
      Quote: Slon1978
      The only thing that confuses me in this whole story is that the PL-14 state would not fail. tests, and they are very severe in our country ... even probably too severe by modern standards. Then he will repeat the fate of Strike One / Swift.

      At least I know that in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, even in Kyrgyzstan, Glocks or CHEZETs are used.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko April 19 2016 16: 19
    +3
    And I liked it, a beautiful machine. There is something in him that is needed ... To shoot from him, and the hand stretches. No guys, this is not a Glock or a glitch. And he does not look like him. The fact that the "muzzle" is square is not an indicator, this is what the Walters sin and Zig Sauer - this is a fashion.
    A pistol seems interesting.
    As for Gesha (GSH-18), he entered the service half-baked and remained undeveloped. The idea was not bad, but Gryazev and Shipunov made a small aircraft cannon instead of a pistol. Everything is good except for practicality - there are many holes around the muzzle and a frankly unsuccessful magazine, which is far from always (and almost never) does not fit 18 rounds, really 15. And that would still ride after the PM with its single-row magazine. But here, just an attempt to follow the Glokovsky way failed - the pistol is too light and not for everyone "in the hands" - without a habit it comes across badly from it, of course it was necessary to bring it to mind. There is a lot of rational in the GSH-18, but this is a concept that has entered service, and it's a pity that they did not bring it.
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 20 2016 01: 01
      0
      Own mass is not enough to absorb the toss. Not balanced. Work necessary! Perhaps, change the angle of the handle from the normal, increase. Finalization of the store, respectively.
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 19 2016 16: 48
    0
    Lebedev pistol tests end
    Author, are you kidding me? Take away the soft sign! And march here: http://tsya.ru!
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs April 19 2016 17: 02
      -2
      That’s for sure, not dictations, but dictations
  • Verdun
    Verdun April 19 2016 17: 49
    +1
    It makes little sense to discuss the gun until he himself shoots. For PM, a replacement has long been needed. But the PL-14 ... It doesn’t look like a freak, which is not bad. And those who compare with Glock-17, probably all the pistols seem the same - the handle, trigger, shutter ...
  • Massik
    Massik April 19 2016 18: 59
    +2
    Wahahahah laughing Well are you people, what kind of PL14 ..... wassat You with AK 12 first finish the comedy, and then take on ....
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon April 19 2016 19: 00
    -2
    I still don’t understand: for what? What will they do? And who?
    This article is not clear. request
  • senima56
    senima56 April 19 2016 19: 43
    0
    In 14 they invented (judging by the "PL-14"), in 15 they showed at the "Army 2015", in 16 they are testing and in 2017 maybe (???? !!!!) production will begin! Yes, he is morally outdated by that time !!! How did this happen to the PYa! In 2003 they were put into service and everything is "brought to mind"! And again our security officials will dream of Glocks!
  • Stanss
    Stanss April 19 2016 20: 35
    -2
    in my opinion, some ugly one recalls someone’s saying that a good weapon should be beautiful. It is necessary to watch the test.
    1. Romanenko
      Romanenko April 19 2016 21: 01
      +1
      I don’t know, I don’t know ... In my opinion, he has a very "arrow-like" appearance, it is a pity that he is a crypto-turkish one, but many love this, and there are fewer holes for dirt. And the machine is tempting ... but in my opinion, of course.
  • Bulat_2016
    Bulat_2016 April 19 2016 21: 01
    0
    I think "PL-14" is a continuation of this one: a Russian-made 9mm Strizh pistol, a prototype of the 4th series, prepared for testing for the RF Armed Forces. June 2012.
    Arsenal Firearms photo
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    2. senima56
      senima56 April 20 2016 01: 58
      0
      This "Swift" is a detective story! This pistol was created at the request of our special forces and taking into account all the comments! There were several TV programs (I Serve the Fatherland, Military Secret) where everyone praised this pistol (I emphasize, everything !!!!), even the current adviser to the general director of the Kalashnikov concern, Mr. Kirisenko, enthusiastically praised and demonstrated it. The pistol was good before ..... state tests! Which he (for some reason!?!?) "Failed with boredom"! It somehow turns out strange: the pistol suits everyone, but the test does not pass. But the notorious PYA passed the test .... but nobody likes it! By the way, "Strizh" is successfully sold abroad, but our "specialists" are not satisfied. Maybe because "Strizh" is not entirely domestic, but together with the Italians? And then suddenly (or "not suddenly") PL-14 appears. Domestic development. I am not against this pistol, it may be even better than the Swift, but !!!!! "Strizh" was created in a few months and (I repeat) is already being successfully sold abroad! And the PL-14 will be tested only this year !!! And only in 2017, maybe production will begin !!! Most likely the reason is that Arsenal is a private company, it is interested in quickly creating and offering its own pistol to the market. And Kalashnikov (with all due respect) is a state company and it is interested in receiving money from the State for development (2014), demonstration (2015), tests (2016) ... Time is running out, money is dripping!
  • cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus April 19 2016 21: 06
    +1
    Cartridge 9x19, the most common cartridge in the world. Apparently, they also suggest for export.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy April 19 2016 21: 09
    +2
    I am confused by the fact that this pistol is made by the Kalashnikov concern. No matter how it turns out that he will be quickly approved and put into service, the contractor is blinded, after which Izhmash, having scored on the quality, will begin to rivet them without a synopsis in thousands ... As a result, the same baida will come out that with the Yarygin pistol. Can we get out of this vicious circle or as usual ??? sad
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad April 19 2016 21: 33
    +1
    O-O-Very impressed with a small height above the arm (low landing), I WANT!
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 20 2016 01: 09
      0
      A low landing combined with a deflection of the handle back with proper balancing directs the recoil force into the shooter's straight hand. The principle of sports pistols. Sides must be punched in the army, police operations must be stopped. Everything universal is always flawed.
  • Forever so
    Forever so April 19 2016 21: 34
    +1
    what's the point of discussing ?? if it had been said that everyone and anyone can acquire and use for self-defense and law enforcement, and so, well, they will arm the Ministry of Internal Affairs and cho ?? As they put everything with PMs, so they will put it with a swan. But the crime will be happy, flat, inconspicuous.
    1. kmv.km
      kmv.km April 19 2016 22: 10
      +2
      You are absolutely right! All This is beautiful - "Lebedevs", "Glocks" - but it is ABSOLUTELY meaningless!

      Until the "democratic power" gives the People the Right to Real Self-Defense, while the acting judicial and legal system is associated by the Majority as "the highest form of uncontrolled banditry", forgive Honest Cops (Police) and Lawyers !, NOTHING GOOD WILL BE in the Country!
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy April 21 2016 09: 44
        0
        I fully support that law-abiding people should have the right to self-defense. But here
        Quote: kmv.km
        anyone and anyone can purchase and use
        I do not agree, in this case we run the risk of getting shootings on the streets of cities with the participation of inadequacies. The state should build a working system in which cases of the sale of weapons to people with a sick head, crime, etc. will be excluded. And at this stage of development of this, in principle, it is not possible, any gangster dibil with money becomes a law-abiding citizen. And in the end, again we run into: people for the state, not the state for people!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 20 2016 04: 33
    0
    The gun is unusual in appearance.
    Probably because in front of the trunk
    large. But the "hook" from behind is somehow annoying.
  • nodaserg
    nodaserg April 20 2016 09: 10
    0
    The gun looks more like a GSh. Outwardly beautiful. But that’s what is alarming 1, as often we have started to take pistols into service. How then 2 surnames Krivoruchko for the gunsmith will deal with spare parts ... alarming
    1. old rats
      old rats April 20 2016 18: 16
      0
      Quote: nodaserg
      and 2 surname Krivoruchko for the gunsmith ... alarming


      Oh come on you ...
      We had an astronaut with the name Padalka and nothing, normally flew.
      Personally, I know the bomb engineer with the name Kosyakov, and also doesn’t explode anything extra.
  • ver_
    ver_ April 20 2016 18: 03
    0
    Quote: Izotovp
    It seems to me that in modern conditions every soldier (at least from a sergeant) should be able to re-equip himself with a gun. But in modern conditions, PM is not enough. Even PMM. The cartridge is rather weak on sib.

    Quote: Izotovp
    It seems to me that in modern conditions every soldier (at least from a sergeant) should be able to re-equip himself with a gun. But in modern conditions, PM is not enough. Even PMM. The cartridge is rather weak on sib.


    ..a combat officer needs a pistol: to suppress panic, for hand-to-hand combat, for shooting at a short distance (at home, in trenches). These are all extreme circumstances and unlikely circumstances in the modern world. An officer is a commander and it is not his business to run ahead of a platoon or company with a pistol in his hand. It's stupid to talk about larger connections. The special units have their own "cockroaches" .. They will get everything that is required for their work .. The police are up to "snot" PM .. He has sufficient stopping power - more than that of TT ..