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The bitter taste of economic "victories"

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Our government is delighted. We are urged not to succumb to "dizzy with success." What happened so wonderful? What are they about? Maybe about our serious victory in Syria? Not at all. The government's delight is caused by purely economic reasons. Succeeded!


What did you do? Somehow no victorious economic mood is felt among the people, in addition, more and more we have to tighten the belt, and the prospects are not encouraging. We are not happy, but our government is in excellent mood. What's the matter? But…

We have a clear increase in production. And the most modern and high-tech. It is not even clear, but the people are so gloomy, after all, is this really a victory? There are reasons. Well, we are with you in the country (I looked out the window in the morning, checked) capitalism. And the growth of production was definitely positive only under socialism.

We all remember (and right now many are confronted) what it is - a lot of goods in a warehouse that no one can buy. At first it seems to you that everything is in order, then the problems are approaching, and then you are a beggar, you are pursued by debts, and you also have to take away somewhere a mountain of garbage, which you have thrown out of stock due to rent debts. Your product perfectly served as a noose for your neck.

How so? That's how. By itself, production under capitalism is neither bad nor good. Only one factor is real. And this factor is a steady effective demand! If it is, everything else appears by itself, including production. And where does this engine of the economy come from, this growth factor, this determining condition, on which everything is based, absolutely everything?

There is only one source. One. On the entire planet. All incomes and expenses, even payment for resources extracted from the depths, even defense expenses, all grow from a single root. And this root is household income. If households have money to pay for their expenses, then the whole economy works. Nope - everything stops. There is no way out of this simple dilemma.

And what did our great economists, our captains of the economy, our politicians and our rich do? And they bought far beyond the boundaries of modular plants. And now they are running, rejoicing ... Merry fellows. These plants are highly automated. Do you understand? Products we now shaft. But the salary is paid to ten people where five thousand used to work. Salary is not even too high, and justified. Why pay a lot to the operator, if it does not require almost any knowledge?

Here are just the rest of the people get nothing, they were expelled from work. They are not needed. The simple truth does not reach our great economists: there is no one to sell now what they have produced on their automatic modules. And the situation is rapidly deteriorating, there is no work, which means there is no money, no household income! The situation is slightly smoothed by the fact that people scored loans. But non-payment is already biting the banks for the heels.

Alas, the country has really rebuilt its economy. Really achieved production growth. Kudrin is crying from happiness ... But this “victory” in which, as we have long been known, there was no place for people, very soon, literally in a matter of months, it threatens us with a complete and final collapse. Right under the victorious cries of the authorities, who do not understand what they have done ...
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  1. Motherland Russia
    Motherland Russia April 21 2016 05: 40
    -15%
    There are times when you have to live small.
    And remember the seven deadly sins.
    1. insular
      insular April 21 2016 05: 48
      +44
      Quote: Motherland Russia
      There is a time when you have to live small. And remember the seven deadly sins.

      Do you seriously believe that people niche snickering?
      You are apparently an official ...
      1. Very old
        Very old April 21 2016 05: 55
        +20
        Quote: insular
        Quote: Motherland Russia
        There is a time when you have to live small. And remember the seven deadly sins.

        Do you seriously believe that people niche snickering?
        You are apparently an official ...


        But at all times you have to live honestly, in truth
        And even more so for the government - to live the truth and tell the truth to the people who trust them
        1. SveTok
          SveTok April 21 2016 08: 13
          +6
          Our government has a lot of conversations, and zero results are clearly visible on pension indexations, the level of which is decreasing from year to year amid rising prices and tariffs.
          1. DenZ
            DenZ April 21 2016 09: 48
            -3
            Quote: SveTok
            Our government has a lot of conversations, and zero results are clearly visible on pension indexations, the level of which is decreasing from year to year amid rising prices and tariffs.

            No normal government will constantly raise pensions and other social services. subsidies in the context of the economic crisis (caused from without, I remind you). It would be economic nonsense.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov April 21 2016 10: 40
              +1
              ). It would be economic nonsense. ,,
              Listen, Chubais # 2, but how do you see the development of the economy without demand? Or did you decide to fit into the global economy in such a way that 70% of the population is not needed? You need a nano or mayor, there you will unfold.
              1. DenZ
                DenZ April 21 2016 11: 43
                -2
                Quote: kotvov
                and how do you see the development of the economy without demand

                And where I wrote that I see the development of the economy without demand. Poke your finger and I admit that I'm a fool. In order to satisfy demand, it is necessary not only that there is money (in households), that there is an acceptable level of inflation, but also that there is something to buy. That's just the creation of a competitive product and the development of industry, our state is now engaged. Because you are not Chubais because you do not understand such things.
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        3. demo
          demo April 21 2016 08: 34
          +14
          Have you ever had to sit down to play cards with cheaters?
          No?
          Give it a try! Devils entertainingly obtained.

          If I, you and people like us live honestly. and a couple of tens of thousands is not fair, then guess three times who will benefit?
          So it is with us.
          Encouraging living within our means is great.
          The bad thing is that the amount of these funds does not work LIVE.
          It turns out to survive.
          And an article about it.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 12: 06
            +2
            I’ll open your mind a little. I’ll give you the bare numbers for 2014.
            The country's GDP is about 71 trillion rubles.
            Salary payments (excluding the unemployed, i.e. the entire working population with an average salary of 27340 rubles) are 28 trillion, for pensioners with an average of 15000 (did not search more precisely) - 4 trillion. I do not accept social deductions for salaries, I’m talking about something else.
            Namely: from 71 trillion rubles. what part is 28 trillion. rub.? The calculator brazenly claims to be approximately 39%, which does not correspond to our reality. And I conclude - with a real% share of the salary of those actually working in Russia, this percentage is less than half 39%. And where then the second half is lost, who will tell me?
        4. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 09: 12
          +5
          Old, what are you talking about? What kind of government does the people trust? I don’t see this with us, but I would like to see it.
      2. Motherland Russia
        Motherland Russia April 21 2016 05: 56
        -11%
        I’m not an official, and it’s not about "snickering".
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 April 21 2016 06: 54
          +2
          It’s too late to make excuses. Catch the cons
          1. Motherland Russia
            Motherland Russia April 21 2016 07: 20
            +2
            I'm not making excuses. My point of view is my point of view.
            And to give an assessment, you need to understand what they mean, and then draw a conclusion.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 29
        +2
        Quote: insular

        Do you seriously believe that people niche snickering?
        You are apparently an official ...

        And you, apparently, are one of those who screamed at the site a year and a half ago. We are ready to tighten our belts.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth April 21 2016 08: 38
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And you, apparently, are one of those who screamed at the site a year and a half ago. We are ready to tighten our belts.

          About the belt. Please comment on the growth of income of the President and about the holes in his belt. At the same time about the growth of income of his assistants, ministers, deputies.
          "The income of Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2014 doubled compared to 2013. According to the income statement posted on the Kremlin's website, last year the president earned 7,654 million rubles, while a year earlier - 3,6 million."
          "Russian President Vladimir Putin earned 2015 million rubles in 8,9, which is 1,2 million more than in 2014."
          And then we can discuss the "growth" of the income of pensioners and the holes in our belts. wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 08: 44
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            Quote: There was a mammoth
            "Russian President Vladimir Putin earned 2015 million rubles in 8,9

            And how much do you think the president of Russia should receive?
            Quote: There was a mammoth

            About belts

            And if so, then yelling was not fucking, they are ready to tighten their belts. Go for a sausage stick, looking into someone else's pocket.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth April 21 2016 09: 00
              +9
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And how much do you think the president of Russia should receive?

              If you can name the three-time income growth of the average locksmith Vasya Pupkin, then such an increase in the income of the President would be normal.
              Oh, yes, he is an "effective manager"!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And if so, then yelling was not fucking, they are ready to tighten their belts. Go for a sausage stick, looking into someone else's pocket.

              The salary of the President, including from my pocket. Yes, and screaming is not in my character. There are enough specialists on yelling on the site without me.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 12: 04
                -1
                Quote: There was a mammoth

                If you can name the three-time income growth of the average locksmith Vasya Pupkin, then such an increase in the income of the President would be normal.

                How much should the president of Russia receive?
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Oh, yes, he is an "effective manager"!

                Can you nominate your candidacy for the post of president of the Russian Federation. Maybe you can better, no?
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth April 21 2016 14: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  How much should the president of Russia receive?

                  Accordingly, the average income of Vasya Pupkin. And wage growth (not pay) should be appropriate.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Can you nominate your candidacy for the post of president of the Russian Federation. Maybe you can better, no?

                  I'll think about your suggestion.
                  1. Roman 11
                    Roman 11 April 21 2016 18: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: There was a mammoth
                    I'll think about your suggestion.

                    If that I am with you laughing
            2. NordUral
              NordUral April 21 2016 09: 26
              +6
              A manager of any rank should receive, depending on the results of his work. So determine for yourself - how much. If the average pensioner's pension is 15000, the average salary in the country is 30000, how much should the President and the rest of the pack be in power?
            3. Gorodovik
              Gorodovik April 21 2016 13: 05
              0
              You can introduce a modest word about the salary of the president. indeed, she is modest, but a huge amount of money is spent on his maintenance. Servants, security, expenses for his trips to work, and he, unlike many, flies in a helicopter. And this is a lot of money. Well, and yet, for some reason, I doubt that he pays for his clothes / food with his hard-earned money. So the guarantor takes a lot of money.
              And yet, I recently found out such a feature that a high-ranking official has the right to get an apartment. Well, for example, Comrade Rogozin, I realized that I have the right not to modest one-bedroom apartments. And I have a question, why do other people have no such rights? There are war veterans, there are 100 squares. Ordenanosets, and other worthy people.
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          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka April 21 2016 12: 13
            0
            About the belt. Please comment on the growth of income of the President and about the holes in his belt. At the same time about the growth of income of his assistants, ministers, deputies.

            all the assistants, ministers, deputies (I’m silent about the president ... you never know ... the National Guard has appeared, because I mean the officials only! repeat build and force to recite with an expression of Filatov

            In vain you, Fedya, for me
            My people are my relatives.
            I'm without thoughts about the people
            I can’t live a day! ..
            In the morning I smear a sandwich -
            Immediately thought: what about the people?
            And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
            And compote does not pour into your mouth!
            I will stand at the window at night.
            And stand all night without sleep
            All worried about Rasee,
            How is it, poor, is she?

            for so many years nothing has changed, unfortunately ...

            how in KVN in the late 80s they sang -

            Just as before, all the servants of the people live better than the masters! request
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 09: 23
          -1
          Romanov, do you sing all your songs about the main thing to us?
        3. insular
          insular April 21 2016 09: 32
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And you, apparently, are one of those who screamed at the site a year and a half ago. We are ready to tighten our belts.

          Is it normal for you to start a dialogue with a stranger with an inappropriate assumption? I ask you not to make vain assumptions.

          Personally, I have repeatedly written about the region in which I live, that as a donor region, we don’t even get the small amount that subsidized regions receive, although it seems like there are feral development programs (in other words, handouts and miserable crumbs compared to what is pumped out of the region )
          I know and see the problems of my region and I don’t have habits to speak for everyone, but I’m sure that there are difficulties everywhere.

          I’m talking about this: Saying that the population of the country has snickered reminding of sins is at least stupid.

          Although yes, in difficult times, it’s worthwhile to understand that it is better to tighten the belt than to allow a real war on its territory. But when officially, an official at the level of a regional deputy, only OFFICIALLY declares an income of more than 15 million rubles a year, talking about belt tightening by ordinary citizens looks at least an insult.

          Can you start with those who really gobble up as if not in themselves?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 57
            +4
            Quote: insular
            I ask you not to make vain assumptions.

            I don’t do it! I remember the first komenty and there were hundreds of them, after the imposition of sanctions .-
            - Nothing, we will break the bread.
            - And you didn’t worry.
            - Yes, I have your sanctions, we put a bolt on them.
            -Frightened a hedgehog with a bare backside

            1.5 years have passed and the same people today prefer not to remember what they wrote then. The stomach won!
            Quote: insular

            I’m talking about this: Saying that the population of the country has snickered reminding of sins is at least stupid.

            I didn’t say this and I was hooked on something completely different. They thought that the sanctions would be avoided, such jokes. And they wrote the appropriate comments. Now their comments have changed and they are ready to curse their own government, and not those who imposed sanctions against their country.

            We will return Crimea, we will leave Donbass, we will leave Syria and the sanctions will be lifted. And again they will live well. And again they will water the country's leadership with mud, forgetting that they themselves recently wanted to live well.
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              1. insular
                insular April 22 2016 02: 59
                -4
                Crimea is being turned into another "Soyuz Showcase" at the expense of ... Yes, at the expense of all of us, and they are being turned, what can we deceive ourselves and everyone.
                Do I need to do this? Yes, you probably need a resort and all that, but let's at least not lie that "we are saving dying Crimeans", we live no better in Russia and we are not dying yet.

                We went through the 90s stage, when there was no light or water in the houses for weeks over the years, until they more established life (I don't know how in your region, but we asked for it). They survived for years and there was no one to complain to because it was so almost everywhere in the country. But now, somewhere, someone is building a skyscraper at the expense of the one who is patching up the hut, and even shouts are heard on the sides, "Hey! Tighten the belts!"

                Sanctions? So after all, the impact of sanctions on Russia is minimal, is it not every day we hear from all those in power?
                So let’s already admit that it’s not the sledges who are guilty of our problems and not after the imposition of sanctions that our problems appeared.
                1. insular
                  insular April 22 2016 03: 24
                  -1
                  Sanctions...
                  How should sanctions on jamon, Polish apples and the departure of some officials should have affected my life? laughing
                  Here is the fallen ruble - yes.
                  The hryvnia has fallen, so it’s clear there, in the country there is a relocation, war, loss of territories and a reduction in production. But in Russia, then!
                  Oil fell - so it fell for everyone, but only the ruble fell so much.
                  We are sitting on the oil needle because the ruble fell stronger? And who is to blame that in fat years they ate as if in themselves and did nothing? Sanctions are also to blame for enemies like the US and the EU?
                  We found ourselves for developing our own production only when sanctions and war ... Who is to blame?

                  Yes, our rulers are to blame for everything ... So the country's leadership needs to be watered! They deserve it.

                  And mind you, I intentionally did not write in my text for small RFPs, I write for the general standard of living and for the development of infrastructure.
                  Although with ZP, everything is sad for most.
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            3. DenZ
              DenZ April 22 2016 13: 30
              -1
              I don’t do it! I remember the first komenty and there were hundreds of them, after the imposition of sanctions .-
              - Nothing, we will break the bread.
              - And you didn’t worry.
              - Yes, I have your sanctions, we put a bolt on them.
              -Frightened a hedgehog with a bare backside

              Absolutely with you Alexander agrees. The inconsistency of some citizens in their opinion is not at all pleasing. It was not long after many shouted how persistent we are, and now many of those many are ready to scold the president, complain, make reposts about some terribly impoverished Russians (often fake). Slogans are ready to shout, but stamina silently endure everything and not to get embittered, there is already not enough willpower for everyone.
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      4. kuz363
        kuz363 April 21 2016 06: 52
        0
        Not only snickering. But they also got used to spending their earned dollars abroad! And look at another world, swim in the warm seas! For officials, this is outrageous.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 07: 00
          +5
          Quote: kuz363
          Not only snickering. But they also got used to spending their earned dollars abroad! And look at another world, swim in the warm seas! For officials, this is outrageous.

          Here I wrote garbage, for what?
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 21 2016 09: 31
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov (6) Today, 07: 00 ↑
            Quote: kuz363
            Not only snickering. But they also got used to spending their earned dollars abroad! And look at another world, swim in the warm seas! For officials, this is outrageous.
            Here I wrote garbage, for what?

            Alexander!
            This morning you managed to ask a bunch of questions, only on this branch there are many more than ten ....
            Are you really interested in all of this, or are you having such fun? laughing
            This also happens to me, in the morning, after the "holiday was a success" if I knock over a gram that way 300-500. wassat
            The world from black and white and evil turns into colorful and good.
            And what is interesting, you start to be interested in him, questions arise, try to remember:
            where was, with whom, what were they doing and how did I get here? laughing
            By the way, I ask for clarification on your question:
            Here I wrote garbage, for what?

            You who turned to this, to kuz363?
            Or is this question for personal use, the so-called "thinking out loud"? smile
            hi
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 21 2016 10: 59
              0
              He works.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 51
              +4
              Quote: Sukhov
              Are you really interested in all of this, or are you having such fun?

              I have fun. I do not see any reason to ask a serious question to the person who wrote the stupid koment.
              Quote: Sukhov
              You who turned to this, to kuz363?

              Strange of course, but most of all criticized the Russian economy, people living abroad.
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka April 21 2016 18: 11
                0
                Strange of course, but most of all criticized the Russian economy, people living abroad.

                fully support! and these people have crossed the line of poverty every year becomes more ...
      5. rubidiy
        rubidiy April 21 2016 15: 05
        +2
        they certainly did not snicker. But the fact that under (no matter how trivial it may sound) Putin in Russia people began to live better than ever in their history is a fact. Yes, people are impoverished 1,5-2 times. But in the pursuit of the best, you can do stupid things and lose even what is now. Look at the Ukrainians: they’ve been maidan three times, and the result is getting worse and worse, and worse ...
        On the other hand, the people in Russia must understand that under capitalism the income of the worker is a matter of struggle for the well-being of the worker himself. The capitalist will not pay you twice as much, if he does. It is necessary to create trade unions, parties. Vote and demand fulfillment of promises. Strikes, knowledge of the law and all that jazz. But in itself everything is only given under socialism ...
    2. ,
      , April 21 2016 05: 54
      +6
      There are times when you have to live small.
      And remember the seven deadly sins.
      Wrote a citizen from the European Union ?? !!! But in principle there are a lot of alarmist articles, but as you recall the nineties, and .... lets go. We ourselves are not small, we understand everything. Well, I won’t buy extra clothes or equipment, ii ..? Everything, life is over ??? Rave!!
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 April 21 2016 08: 11
        +14
        .Well, I will not buy extra clothes or equipment, ii ..? Everything, life is over ??? Rave!!
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        It's all about the worldview. Here, under socialism, the ideology of the state lived on the CREATION. You, probably, as well as many here, from that era, from psychology can be seen. the current "society" is a society of social orientation, roughly speaking, it is tasty to devour and softly ride. Previously, seeing flights into space and other achievements, people were ready to suffer. Nowadays, when they are called to this by their uncles, who primarily eat deliciously and live sweetly , here the people begin to boil slowly.
        Here is a simple example - our mayor, who plundered the city treasury, in order not to hit the muzzle in the mud before the holidays, obliges all state employees with brooms and shovels to go out into the streets. Because the money for solarium for harvesting equipment has long been written off and sawn away. And what the people, the people said: you would not go to the strike, you brute. None of them are unable to build capitalism using socialist methods. But otherwise "they can't"
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 09: 31
          +13
          It is impossible for the non-Russians to build capitalism by socialist methods.

          But you got to the point. "Our" government is constantly trying to convince us that we live in a society of social justice and that we, namely us, need to live and work "according to conscience" and not notice. that they themselves have already forgotten what it is.
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 April 21 2016 08: 37
        0
        Quote: andre
        We ourselves are not small, we understand everything.

        We are really not small. But with an understanding of everything - you got excited. If we understand everything, then why are the people so indebted, especially with consumer loans, not for the most urgent needs? And even beyond their capabilities. What, no one suspects that the loan will still have to be repaid with additional costs? We take imported goods if we have our own (domestic), do not understand who in this case we feed? But we take it anyway ... Don't we understand that with the formation of 10 corridors it is impossible to diagnose macroeconomic processes? But we put and discuss with "knowledge of the matter", and we use the most derogatory epithets - the entire government, officials, leaders of all ranks, we are thieves, idiots, engaged only in PR and "sawing the dough." At the same time, we can neither earn nor save, nor delve into the reasons for our own failures. We raise it out of sports interest, and then we look for extreme ones, when the child faints from the questions in the exam. Somehow this does not fit into the definition of intelligent people. In fact, it seems to me that there are not many people striving to live with understanding and reason, but the majority, judging by the comments, and even from life experience, are expecting a significant improvement from someone else without making any efforts.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 11: 31
          +2
          Quote: ARES623
          In fact, it seems to me that there are not many people striving to live with understanding and reason, but the majority, judging by the comments and life experience, expect to a large extent improvements from someone from the outside, without making any efforts.

          Are you talking about this?
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 21 2016 12: 48
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Are you talking about this?

            Not really. I am about those who read something, understand a little of what they have read, but have an "authoritative" and most correct opinion about everything and am ready to defend it to the last key on the keyboard.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 14: 03
              +2
              Quote: ARES623
              Not really. I am about those who read something, understand a little of what they have read, but have an "authoritative" and most correct opinion about everything and am ready to defend it to the last key on the keyboard.

              Accepted! drinks
      3. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2016 09: 40
        +1
        It is not a matter of clothes, but of the prospects, both personal and for the people, and therefore the country as a whole, and not the mold that has grown on the shoulders of the people.
      4. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2016 11: 00
        0
        And you not only think to yourself, but also about grandchildren. Rags, I agree, not the main thing, but the country? ..
    3. quote
      quote April 21 2016 06: 03
      +8
      Quote: Motherland Russia
      There are times when you have to live small.

      In the war and post-war period it is clear. And now, what?
      With "your money" they bought a highly automated production, and there is no place for you to work there.
      Free "Vasya"!
      1. Veltmajster
        Veltmajster April 21 2016 06: 45
        +5
        And now there is a war, if anyone else is not in the know. So far, thank God, no shooting, economic. With the west. For example, in the 91st tired of tightening their belts and allowed the Tagged Union to collapse. So what? What former republic did grace descend on after that? W
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 21 2016 08: 10
          +8
          And now there is a war, if anyone else is not in the know
          Who are you at least fighting with? turn off the TV and everything will work out right away. The same head of government, speaking before the Duma, said that it is very profitable to buy American bonds. So we are not at war with America. Recently, a Russia-NATO wave has gone together forever, which means we are not at war with NATO either. Yesterday I saw Turkish zucchini in the store, which means we are not at war with Turkey.
          1. Vitwin
            Vitwin April 21 2016 09: 13
            +7
            Quote: Gardamir
            Yesterday I saw Turkish zucchini in the store, which means we are not fighting Turkey

            Yesterday I read nm Mail - Russia imposed a ban on Turkish eggplant - stronger Erdogan)) A serious blow to the Turkish economy))
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 14: 05
              +5
              Quote: Vitwin
              A serious blow to the economy of the Turks))

              The last straw will be raisins) laughing death to perdogan wassat
              1. Vitwin
                Vitwin April 21 2016 14: 12
                +4
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                The last straw will be raisins)

                Raisins, namesake, kapets came in winter, like ba - switched to Iranian - "friendly" raisins))
              2. Roman 11
                Roman 11 April 21 2016 19: 13
                +2
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                death to perdogan

                Yes, how many times can I repeat - not a fart, but a fartОwell laughing
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          3. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 09: 43
            +5
            Listening to "our" government, you fall into a stupor, like a girl Alice in one entertaining country, described in a very instructive book.
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 39
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            . Yesterday I saw Turkish zucchini in the store, which means we are not at war with Turkey.

            They were not banned for import.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 21 2016 07: 26
        +5
        Quote: devis
        Quote: Motherland Russia
        There are times when you have to live small.

        In the war and post-war period it is clear. And now, what?
        With "your money" they bought a highly automated production, and there is no place for you to work there.
        Free "Vasya"!

        A joke about the cosine of an angle of 30 degrees. do not remind? which in wartime reached "2" -x? ...
        Why the production of material values ​​in the form of goods national(!!!) consumption, which people do not consume? due to the lack of purchasing power ... decoding - "dumb dumb" ... nowhere to earn!
        Even the capitalists, even those who are not concerned with the production of goods, but with the creation of jobs! There will be work, jobs - there will be everything!
        ----------------
        ... a sprat swims in a tomato, it feels good in a tomato! Only I, my mother, didn’t find a place in my life! ... "
    4. Finches
      Finches April 21 2016 06: 06
      +9
      “But this 'victory', in which, as we have for a long time, there was no place for people, very soon, literally in a matter of months, threatens us with a complete and final collapse. Right under the victory cries of the authorities, who do not understand what they have done ... " - I would not dramatize the situation so much, and all the authorities understand! Here is the "liberal" economy of Kudrin, that the mobilization, planned model of Glazyev - all of the same fruit! And this clearing where they grow - capitalism! If the people want to live fairly and enjoy the fruits of their labor to the full, it is necessary to return to a different model of the entire state structure! And under capitalism, under any model of the economic system, there is a one-sided game - the gates of the people, which they have ...

      Not every person can be a successful entrepreneur, and, unfortunately, not every entrepreneur is given the chance to be a person ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 19
        +13
        And they bought far abroad modular plants. And now they run around, rejoice ... Merry fellow. These plants are highly automated. Do you understand? Our products are now in full swing. But ten people pay wages where five thousand worked before.
        The author is far from economics, as I am from ballet.
        Our rams on the construction of a bridge to the Crimea, bought a bunch of dump trucks. If you carry a stretcher, how many jobs you can create. And instead of bulldozers, you can leave with shovels, there will also be thousands of jobs.
        As an example in Japan, factories are as robotic as possible, more production and a good salary. The Japanese are also rams.
        Why pay a lot to the operator if almost no knowledge is required from him?
        This operator does not require any knowledge wassat The author again confuses the shovel with a smartphone.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev April 21 2016 06: 26
          +19
          The main thing is not this. The author actually expands on my idea - the standard of living of the common people is primary. Everything else is just derivatives and tools.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 30
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            the standard of living of the common people is primary. Everything else is just derivatives and tools.

            Ah, well this is grade 8 high school.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 09: 46
            +2
            It is in a normal country, as under State Socialism-Capitalism under Stalin after the war.
        2. andj61
          andj61 April 21 2016 09: 06
          +3
          And they bought far abroad modular plants. And now they are running, rejoicing ...

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Our rams on the construction of a bridge to the Crimea, bought a bunch of dump trucks. If you carry a stretcher, how many jobs you can create. And instead of bulldozers, you can leave with shovels, there will also be thousands of jobs.

          Long live the new Luddites! good
          We destroy equipment and work manually - is that the main idea of ​​the author? what
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 11: 03
            0
            And where did you read this in the article? She's a little about that.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 44
              +1
              Quote: NordUral
              And where did you read this in the article?

              But ten people pay wages where five thousand worked before.
              And they kicked out because robots are working there now. This is from the words of the author.
          2. DenZ
            DenZ April 22 2016 13: 40
            -2
            Long live the new Luddites! good
            We destroy equipment and work manually - is that the main idea of ​​the author?

            And this is your main idea? Sickness and antics are 100%
        3. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 09: 45
          +3
          Romanov - you are not a thimble, for an hour? So deftly distort with dump trucks and wheelbarrows.
        4. Mikhail3
          April 21 2016 11: 07
          +6
          I'm sorry, Alexander. I am a specialist in setting up high-tech equipment, mainly security systems. (As well as industrial automation systems, so about the operator ... the dog will cope quite well. You just need a little training and working bodies, buttons, under the dog's paw) This is now. By education and Soviet experience - an energy engineer. And in economics I also understand something, both as an engineer and as an entrepreneur.
          Your example ... okay. Yes, he shows stupidity. But to my great regret, this is not the stupidity of my article. This is the stupidity of a social system called capitalism. This ambush is known to all thinking capitalists. But our people were either not taught anything at all (or they were taught, but they were fooling around at that time) or taught at the Higher School of Economics, and this institution was built in order to slow down our country and, ideally, destroy it.
          So we got into it again. Seriously. And especially the joy of the people who govern us. They clearly, vividly, coarsely DO NOT UNDERSTAND. This is scary...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 45
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail3
            so what about the operator ... the dog can handle

            Apparently we have seen different equipment.
            1. Mikhail3
              April 21 2016 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Mikhail3
              so what about the operator ... the dog can handle

              Apparently we have seen different equipment.

              You just saw the production of a low degree of integration. Old and primitive. And I'm talking about the most modern industries. Oh, so him and the rider, the future that has come today! You just run the complex. All you still need to know is how to stop it in the event of a clear accident. Well, there it’s burning, shaking, trying to jump from the foundation ...
              Drawings draws one special on the continent. One in Eurasia, another in North America, a third in South (this still clandestinely hackles Australia) and that’s all. Process technology? Once upon release of the first part. The same specialists. Pitchfork ...
              Each time we begin a new historical stage, being completely unprepared for it. And with great difficulty we scramble to our feet, wiping the blood, collecting broken teeth, hastily splicing broken bones ... maybe enough? Maybe at least one disconnect time think about hair forward? Before you smack us again?
              And I wrote an article because no one does it. Doesn't think. We are carrying faces against the wall, and our leaders are happy - we fly fast! In God, in the soul, in the liver, in the spleen ....
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 April 21 2016 06: 37
        +9
        And under capitalism, with any model of the economic system, there is a one-goal game - the gates of the people whom they have ... rather, they are exploited by all and sundry, starting from the state!
        Not every person can be a successful entrepreneur, and, unfortunately, not every entrepreneur is given the right to be a person...

        I highlighted the words of Eugene, you need to hang in the Government building and in the State Duma.
        And, also, drive into the head of schoolchildren, future economists, managers, etc.
        merchandisers (what a nasty thing!).
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL April 21 2016 07: 43
          +8
          Quote: avva2012
          And under capitalism, with any model of the economic system, there is a one-goal game - the gates of the people whom they have ... rather, they are exploited by all and sundry, starting from the state!
          Not every person can be a successful entrepreneur, and, unfortunately, not every entrepreneur is given the right to be a person...

          I highlighted the words of Eugene, you need to hang in the Government building and in the State Duma.
          And, also, drive into the head of schoolchildren, future economists, managers, etc.
          merchandisers (what a nasty thing!).

          In general, observing the life of "successful entrepreneurs", I made a conclusion for myself a long time ago: they are always sharks; such a primitive, narrowly specialized fish in the ocean ... Predator ... all the time in motion, will stop - it will die from lack of oxygen, suffocate in its own doctor ... there is not even a swim bladder - it will not hang in the environment (water) can; and sometimes it is so necessary - to stop, think, look around! ...
          A primitive form of life ... but - ancient! Is it time to change it to something more recent?
          --------
          I was a "successful entrepreneur", more than once ... Now I am not - "I didn’t put it in," as today's youth say; although it would seem - the grandmas are there, success ... iPhones (then there was not yet ...). Predating is tired ... it turns me on from my heart - I'm not a shark, I (I hope!) Have it! ...
          1. dauria
            dauria April 21 2016 08: 53
            +2
            there is not even a swimming bladder - hang in the environment (water)


            Everything is fine, except for the role of the "bubble" smile Biologists did not come up with a clear explanation of why it is needed. By the way, this is not a ballast tank, and even if she had created it unstable balance (a little down, and drowning, a little up, sharply pops up) request
      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 21 2016 06: 53
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        "That's just this" victory ", in which, as we have for a long time, there was no place for people, oh


        High-tech production is ALWAYS good and its products will no longer be bought in the last turn, especially since it is competitive abroad.

        How much is the product whose production employs 5 thousand people, not 10 people, who will buy it? If qualified specialists are freed, then they will always find work, and migrants will not need to be imported.
        It’s great if new plants operate in Russia!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 21 2016 08: 16
          +6
          but competitive
          Uh, my friend, you are a Putinist to the core. Do you know that in addition to competition and entrepreneurship, people still live in the country?
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 09: 49
          +1
          The trick is who they work for.
      4. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat April 21 2016 06: 57
        -1
        Something I do not understand this people - they do not like socialism, then capitalism. Then put on his pants, or remove the cross.
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 April 21 2016 08: 18
          +5
          I don’t understand something. Someone here wants to say that these same "modular factories bought far abroad, highly automated." Is it only for Russia that they are produced? And they are supplied only to us so that the people will continue to be without work? Yes, these same factories work all over the world, and nothing. It's okay. The people are happy - there is no need to work! I pressed the button and that's it! It's only strange - why are the people happy there, where did they get the money? So it’s not the factories? Maybe because all rich countries have the largest public debt?
          1. Dembel77
            Dembel77 April 21 2016 08: 29
            +3
            I think the conclusion is clear - if you live on loans all the time, without having to give them back (a number of countries live approximately like this), then life is wonderful. And if you live on your own, hard-earned money, then you won’t be able to relax very much (as we live). In general, we ourselves are to blame for the way we live. To live well, you must not only have a workplace and work honestly, but also be able to receive and use the results of your work. Those. to be able to gnaw and tear from the bourgeoisie his hard-earned teeth with his teeth. This is capitalism guys. What do you want?
          2. Zolotse
            Zolotse April 21 2016 08: 48
            0
            Thank you for the wonderful film, it’s a pity the people don’t watch it, the comments are bent without regard to what they’ve watched.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 10: 13
            +3
            And where is the clear answer to such a "simple" question - who lends to the first world countries? I have it, this answer, and it is very unpleasant for the countries of the second (and this is us) and the third world. We are crediting, providing the well-fed life of the golden billion.
          4. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2016 11: 07
            -1
            Judging by your statement and the plot posted, you have a split consciousness or, as it has become fashionable to say, cognitive dissonance.
          5. Mikhail3
            April 21 2016 11: 18
            0
            Quote: Dembel 77
            Yes, these same factories around the world are working, and nothing.

            No, not nothing. In case you haven't noticed, the whole world is skidding. And stronger and stronger. At first they transferred all savings to high-tech products, then borrowed from children, then from grandchildren and great-grandchildren (this is me about credit slavery, in which this very world has been for a long time), and now the question of the collapse of the financial system is already on the table, because the loans are somehow pointless.
            Relatively good are the countries and corporations that are able to PRODUCE the module. Do you understand the difference? Not to flood the market with products that people can’t afford, but to give others a tool for this senseless action. They have really cool engineers and they manage everyone who bought these modules from them. But even they feel bad.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 11: 05
          +4
          Duck in our country is not capitalism, not socialism, but feudal feudalism.
    5. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2016 09: 11
      -1
      Did you tell this to anyone? Worker at the factory or, for example, Abramovich (collective image)?
    6. godun
      godun April 21 2016 11: 49
      -1
      Dear colleague, you are now addressing those who are in kursavels or who are in leather cabinets, or those who go to work by tram, specify. Because the latter live like that, and all the time.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii April 21 2016 05: 43
    +2
    Everything is according to Karl Marx and history repeats itself, but there are no conclusions.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 April 21 2016 06: 58
      +4
      Our bearded and mustachioed soothsayers were written off too soon (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin)
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2016 14: 35
      0
      Why so? The conclusion suggests itself - in the minds and open spaces of Russia, the ghost of communism again hovers.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 21 2016 05: 46
    +13
    Another winning comment: We are getting off the oil needle, the share of oil revenues in the budget has declined. The guys forgot the school course in arithmetic. If oil revenues have declined due to falling prices, then naturally their share is falling. That's just with them the entire budget is reduced.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 April 21 2016 07: 02
      +3
      Yes, I was also surprised. In the budget of 2016, 51% of hydrocarbons was planned at an oil price of $ 50, but actually it turned out 34% at an oil price of about $ 35-40. And the income gap must be closed with something. Fortunately, our readers are literate people and quickly saw through the imaginary success.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 07: 07
        -5
        Quote: kuz363
        . Fortunately, our readers are literate people and quickly saw through the imaginary success.

        How are you doing in Kazakhstan? Or in Russian forums more interesting.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2016 14: 48
          +1
          And what do you say, Romanov? Born in the Northern Urals, I live in St. Petersburg. And I’m constantly going to check such patriots as you.
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    1. Stinger
      Stinger April 21 2016 05: 58
      0
      You're right. That would be more logical.
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 21 2016 06: 03
      -12%
      This article, in general, has a place in the bin.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 19
        -6
        Quote: sdc_alex
        This article, in general, has a place in the bin.

        +
        1. insular
          insular April 21 2016 10: 03
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          +

          What a deep thought ...
          Was using a plus sign too difficult? Is it necessary to draw a plus sign in the text, to indicate the significance of your approval?

          It seems to me that this comment is your place in the bin.
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      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2016 14: 48
        0
        Are there arguments for such a conclusion?
    3. Amurets
      Amurets April 21 2016 06: 15
      +6
      Quote: Utlan
      This article has a place in the political or economic section, but not as not in the military.

      I agree, I support. I just want to add that the State Duma has finally approved the bill on the ratio of salaries in state institutions. However, the elections are five months later.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2016 14: 51
        +1
        Everything is tightly tied up with us. And why don’t we discuss current issues in the country's economy, because our defensive capabilities also depend on it.
    4. Very old
      Very old April 21 2016 06: 24
      +15
      ARMY lives in a country
      Everything that happens in the country concerns the army - every military man has a father, mother, brother and sister
      To defend MOTHERLAND - only to "wave a sword"?

      Am I mistaken? soldier
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2016 14: 52
        +1
        Not a bit, Old! I subscribe to your conclusion, without demand.
    5. populist
      populist April 21 2016 06: 44
      +5
      Utlan
      This article has a place in the political or economic section, but not as not in the military.

      Look at the contents of this section (opinion) and you will see that it is not a military section. Here articles on military topics barely a quarter typed.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 21 2016 05: 57
    -7
    The author, what is this about? Are we talking about "neoluddites"? Down with automation, computers, robots, automatic factories ... So let's go back to the stone age. There, for sure, everyone "was exactly", and who does not work, he does not ... He just dies out of hunger.
    I can argue with the author. While you can earn money. If the machine operator is not a question at all. Everyone is looking for - who would have made what, parts to order. No machine - buy. Take a consumer loan and buy ... It, by God, is not expensive. Do not "gobble up", but buy. Welding machine - advertise on the web - and if you are a really cool welder - they will be torn off with your hands. If you want to make money, you can, not talking. You only need to strive - to EARN. Instead of trying to take away and divide everything.
    1. i80186
      i80186 April 21 2016 06: 06
      0
      The author of the article simply does not remember 100% employment of the population in the USSR in the 80s, "households" with excellent incomes in the same place. In fact, he contradicts himself, the USSR turns out badly for him, but everyone there was busy and had high incomes. In general, some obscure written nonsense, I see in this article. smile
    2. V.ic
      V.ic April 21 2016 06: 20
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And do not try to take everything away and share.

      Those who took everything away and divided ... "theirs six" sit in the government and the Duma.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Down with automation, computers, robots, automatic plants ... So come on back to the Stone Age

      General clinic laughing And then he will come to an economic article and give advice, so what should be done laughing
    4. Fox
      Fox April 21 2016 06: 25
      +14
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I can argue with the author. While you can earn money. If the machine operator is not a question at all. Everyone is looking for - who would have made what, parts to order. No machine - buy. Take a consumer loan and buy ... It, by God, is not expensive. Do not "gobble up", but buy. Welding machine - advertise on the web - and if you are a really cool welder - they will be torn off with your hands. If you want to make money, you can, not talking.

      yes there is everything ... only no one pays to pay ... stupidly NO MONEY. because there is no work. I live in the village, if Che.
      1. Suhov
        Suhov April 21 2016 07: 09
        +8
        Quote: Fox
        yes there is everything ... only no one pays to pay ... stupidly NO MONEY

        And interestingly, if there is not enough money, then in decent countries they begin to print it (this is called quantitative easing) and distribute it to almost everyone who promises to create new jobs. Thus, they develop a small business.
        Everything is exactly the opposite with us. The economy is drained from money intentionally.
        And those citizens who are "persecuted" with an active lifestyle.
        If they are trying to help the state eliminate central bank deficiencies, start to print money in the garagethen they are caught, accused of counterfeiting and sent to places not so distant but for long periods.
        Private initiative stifled in the bud! laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 07: 15
          +3
          Quote: Sukhov
          And interestingly, if there is not enough money in developed countries, they begin to print

          We already printed in the early 90s, then I left a pack of marlboro 6000 r in the store.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 21 2016 08: 36
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We already printed in the early 90s, then I left a pack of marlboro 6000 r in the store.

            It was so. And then our native state successfully solved an important task. By devaluing banknotes, it thereby "forgiven" its debts to its citizens. Many savings have turned to dust.
            When I now see on Sberba6ka advertising that they work with hell knows what ancient year, one question always comes to my mind:
            how many people did you have during this time on ...? I will not specify what to do, so as not to cause anger at the site administration for using non-normative vocabulary. wassat
            In general, there are many ways to destroy a business. Failure is one of the necessary conditions for doing business, he will bend himself.
            And in order for the business to develop successfully, not only should all conditions be provided, they must be presented in the correct proportions. Why am I all this? To what is really business right now sorely lacking cheap money. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: Sukhov
              Besides, now really business is sorely lacking cheap money.

              But access to cheap money has nothing to do with stupid printing of unsecured paper.
              1. Suhov
                Suhov April 21 2016 13: 29
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But access to cheap money has nothing to do with stupid printing of unsecured paper.

                I agree.
                Cheap money is not a sufficient condition,
                but on the other hand, this condition is necessary.
                It cannot be that the percentage of the banker exceeds the rate of profit of the owner.
                The meaning in the work disappears.
          2. Altona
            Altona April 21 2016 09: 03
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We already printed in the early 90s, then I left a pack of marlboro 6000 r in the store.

            ------------------------
            Yes, you are a tough monetarist, my friend. You will not give a penny in vain. All in a small box, but in a pantry. laughing
        2. Altona
          Altona April 21 2016 08: 59
          +3
          Quote: Sukhov
          And interestingly, if there is not enough money, then in decent countries they begin to print it (this is called quantitative easing) and distribute it to almost everyone who promises to create new jobs. Thus, they develop a small business.

          -------------------------------
          A small business without a big one does not develop very well. Anyway, somewhere there must be a big business, whose employees and he himself need various kinds of services. Sanatoriums, cleaning and cooking, design, writing programs, advertising, transportation, and similar niches. About the money. Money in the economy is non-cash and cash. Money should be issued not just like that, but for production projects. And in general, we have money, just the Government uses it inefficiently. This applies to both the budget itself and extrabudgetary funds. In general, our crisis in the economy is caused by our banking system, which we supported in 2009 and which is aimed at sucking out the economy, and not at lending it.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 21 2016 09: 05
            +2
            Quote: Altona
            In general, our economic crisis is caused by our banking systemwhich we supported in 2009 and which is aimed at sucking out of the economy, and not on lending it.

            yes
            It’s hard to add something.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 21 2016 10: 49
        +1
        Hello zema! drinks
        Quote: Fox
        because there is no work. I live in the village, if Che.

        Buttons or Lunacharsky? wink
    5. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 21 2016 07: 55
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The author, what is this about? Are we talking about the "neoluddites"? Down with automation, computers, robots, automatic factories ...

      What about planning? without fear of the word - a grand achievement of the USSR?
      How the "backward regions" were developed - let the old people remind - to those who have forgotten!
      In regions with a surplus of the unemployed population, we plan resource-intensive (in terms of labor force!) Production; why - let's start with the transport infrastructure ... educational institutions, technical schools ... Let's start building the production itself - factories there, factories; by time, both qualified and trained personnel will grow up; they will give you a lift along the newly built roads this-and-so ... to go where it is necessary, to resolve issues "in a working order" there ... And so on, and so on ... This is such a "tasty" routine, it is a normal life!
      1. Altona
        Altona April 21 2016 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: CONTROL
        What about planning? without fear of the word - a grand achievement of the USSR?
        How the "backward regions" were developed - let the old people remind - to those who have forgotten!
        In regions with a surplus of the unemployed population, we plan resource-intensive (in terms of labor force!) Production; why - let's start with the transport infrastructure ... educational institutions, technical schools ... Let's start building the production itself - factories there, factories; by time, both qualified and trained personnel will grow up; they will give you a lift along the newly built roads this-and-so ... to go where it is necessary, to resolve issues "in a working order" there ... And so on, and so on ... This is such a "tasty" routine, it is a normal life!

        --------------------------
        You draw such complex patterns of regional development. Medvedev and his Government will not master this. And where then will Medvedev shoot with his Hasselblad desert landscapes of virgin nature. Your proposal is absolutely counterproductive. laughing
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 14: 42
          +3
          Quote: Altona
          Your proposal is absolutely counterproductive.

          I would say "counter-Medvedev" laughing

          And then the news arrived:
          This year, the Ministry of Finance intends to submit proposals on the abolition of benefits provided by the budget, said the head of the department, Anton Siluanov, at an expanded board of the Ministry of Finance. The Finance Ministry’s position is to gradually abolish the benefits and, if necessary, replace them with subsidies, he added.
          “The task for this year is to carry out work to assess the effectiveness of benefits and their impact on economic growth, and based on the results of this work, to submit proposals on the abolition of these preferences,” Siluanov said.
      2. kotvov
        kotvov April 21 2016 10: 58
        +1
        We plan resource-intensive (in labor!) production ;,
        you see you don’t hear, our government. which prime minister clearly stated, we need a mobile population. that is, not work should come to the region, but the population should go to work. You, the Kuril Islands is not an example? .and this is not one example.
    6. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 11: 25
      +4
      Author, what is this about?

      The fact that you can take a loan on the machines. But the machines work desertedly, understand! Ideally, the current system looks like this. Me and my machines. That is, there are two of us. And I produce products for one hundred thousand people. I just don’t pay anyone a salary, I don’t need it! Where can I get buyers? My neighbors are unemployed! Do you know what a car shock absorber is? So, shock absorbers actually produces ONE PLANT ON THE PLANET. Where to find buyers? The economy is deserted!
      An article about the circumstances that finally locked us in. It is not just necessary, but vitally necessary to seek a way out of capitalism. He does not cope. I can not even look for a loan for the machine. You can buy a whole factory, they are sold. More and more are being sold by those who have already bought them, have set up work normally ... but have not found sales. And people do good things. There is simply no one to sell them to, the buyer has no money.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 21 2016 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Not just necessary, but vitally necessary to seek a way out of capitalism

        In principle, I put you +.
        Only you also understand, if you do not buy equipment abroad, but produce here, then these are also jobs, and also jobs - this is the construction of railways and roads, and then wagons and cars, a cat. they’ll drive on them, the restoration of the housing and communal services is also jobs, to raise the aircraft industry, and under it we need a machine park and its production — and these are also jobs, well, etc.
        Our economists have given our domestic market to the imperialists, and we pump oil for them - that’s the reason.
    7. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2016 14: 58
      +1
      Shooter! Have you tried it yourself? Share your experience. I have not only tried, but worked in free flight since 1988. About five times I went broke completely. The producer. So I know everything from the inside. Handing out tips is easy from the couch.
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 April 21 2016 05: 58
    +6
    Oil and gas condensate production in Russia increased in 2015 by 1,3% in annual terms to 533 mln tons, Rosstat reports. Gas production decreased by 2,6% to 554 billion cubic meters. m., associated gas production increased by 7,9% to 79,5 billion cubic meters. mhttp://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/66649
    We have a strange country. Oil prices are falling, and production is growing. At what, they began to use the so-called associated gas to a greater extent. That is, it turns out that they began to use natural resources more efficiently? Yes, and with oil. If they produce more and sell less, then probably the surplus has gone to the domestic market?
    1. Altona
      Altona April 21 2016 09: 09
      +2
      Quote: avva2012
      We have a strange country. Oil prices are falling, and production is growing. At what, they began to use the so-called associated gas to a greater extent. That is, it turns out that they began to use natural resources more efficiently? Yes, and with oil. If they produce more and sell less, then probably the surplus has gone to the domestic market?

      -------------------------
      We strive to compete with Saudi Arabia, which also does not reduce production. As for the more prudent use of resources, we are mainly developing old deposits. It is expensive to master new ones, it is easier to "catch" associated gas, and not to burn it in flares. In addition, the production of petroleum products increased. There the added value is higher, there is also an excess of oil going to the refinery.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 21 2016 09: 37
        0
        Quote: Altona In addition, increased production of petroleum products. There the added value is higher, there, too, there is an excess of oil at the refinery.

        And where does it go from the refinery? On the foreign market, again, no. There, oil products have long been quota. It turns out we consume ourselves, despite the increase in gas prices in the country? As I understand it, our industry is eating.
        It turns out, indirectly, that one can assume that production increased by approximately 1,3%?
  7. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv April 21 2016 06: 12
    +17
    I heard a story a long time ago:
    Sheikh (a graduate of the Peoples' Friendship Institute) orders a refinery project in Germany, he is presented with blueprints.
    he takes a pencil and in places of shutoff valves, excludes all automation. The project manager is surprised that this is automation from Siemens, it will save you a lot of money in production, you will not have to pay a salary.
    To which the sheikh countered on each valve I will put an employee and he will be able to feed his family, therefore he will not have time to run around in the desert with weapons, not only will he grow roots and will protect his place of residence.
    True, this is an invention of an elderly person, but there is a sound grain in this story.
    Progress is relentless and automation is inevitable, therefore, in the Russian Federation, with the direct support of the state, many enterprises of raw materials and processing industries should appear.
    Otherwise, forced to agree with the author, the collapse is inevitable, not a single army will save the state in which children are starving.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 32
      -7
      Quote: okunevich_rv
      To which the sheikh countered on each valve I will put an employee and he will be able to feed his family, therefore he will not have time to run around in the desert with weapons, not only will he grow roots and will protect his place of residence.

      Have you decided to slide down to the sheikh level? here one sheikh argued that the earth is not round, support?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 21 2016 07: 40
        +12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        that the earth is not round, support?

        Not round, I’ll hold it, the shape of this GEOID is called. In particular, at the poles, the radius of the Earth is less than the radius of the Earth at the equator.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 07: 47
          -4
          Quote: V.ic
          Not round, hold it

          According to Sheikh, she’s flat. Support him.
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 21 2016 09: 15
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: V.ic
            Not round, hold it

            According to Sheikh, she’s flat. Support him.

            Moreover, it stands on three elephants, and these elephants - on a giant tortoise ... bully
            So the sheikh needs to be supported - he certainly knows the whole truth! wassat
          2. V.ic
            V.ic April 21 2016 11: 44
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            According to Sheikh, she’s flat. Support him.

            It will cost him dearly, he will refuse ...
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 21 2016 08: 11
      0
      This logic will work until the time when the person at the valve does not want, for example, to arrange a terrorist attack, go to the toilet, get sick, or simply score at work, because, again "for example", his mother-in-law came to visit him and now his wife takes out his brain on the phone))))) (well, it's personal)))) In short, automation excludes the human factor!
  8. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 21 2016 06: 15
    0
    There is a concept of market relations!
    Naturally, now the state does not have the power that was under the planned system of economic development.
    Now some want to sell at a higher price, others want to buy at a lower price.
    Therefore, the reduction of jobs and lower wages, due to its facilitation, has become commonplace. But for the same reason, production automation is developing faster.
    No one has so much money to pay everyone a big salary, regardless of his participation in production.
    (We do not take officials from them our Joint Stock Company - "State Budget" is called).
    So that they do not say and do not think, but the opposite will no longer be.
    The only weak link is the modern legislative framework, which today is more of a recommendatory nature and is not always binding. And the institute of control and supervision is practically lost. (I already know this from my own experience)
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 21 2016 08: 28
      +2
      There is a concept of market relations!
      It was good to stupid stupid scoops. Enterprises are built and demolished regardless of market needs.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 21 2016 09: 23
        0
        Gardamir
        There is a concept of market relations!

        It was good to stupid stupid scoops. Enterprises are built and demolished regardless of market needs.

        Well, scoops were far from stupid. They read dozens of times more and studied and hands not under a glass were sharpened. Here you are very wrong! ... even deeply wrong!
        And the closure and opening of enterprises is not only necessary for their products or not needed, but because the owner has decided so - this is the Market! (This is on your comment).
        The owner is not interested in the need to release the goods, but in profit. And if the market has a very huge need for a certain product, but the profit will not be significant for this owner, he will not be engaged in this production.
        He also needs to survive. Not on state. budget. And to be a monopolist, provided that you do not work for the state’s pocket, the FAS will crush.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 21 2016 12: 00
          +1
          Well, scoops were far from stupid.
          This is such a bitter self-irony. I'm a scoop myself. Once I believed in the invisible hand of the market, but now I see that these "invisible" hands are controlled by very specific heads. For example, the country still has such conditions that it is unprofitable to engage in agriculture. Moreover, there are rumors that it will not be possible to sell the surplus from the personal backyard. For example, a cow gives 25 liters a day, ten is enough for my family, the rest can be sold. And now they will adopt a law like in America, not dare to sell rural products and a very real criminal punishment. So much for the market and democracy in one bottle.
          1. Ruswolf
            Ruswolf April 21 2016 18: 30
            0
            Gardamir
            Here you have the market and democracy in one bottle.

            Well, no one believed in the market under the USSR; we were taught that the most advanced is the planning system. And the market is a rotting model of the West.
            Market and democracy have a common denominator - This is utopia.
            No one can explain how these two things can be in one numerator (this is such an entertaining mathematics) democracy "power of the people" + market "power of money" (oligarchs).
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  9. jovanni
    jovanni April 21 2016 06: 20
    +7
    Do you say modular plants? Well, in the morning I rushed to the window - not to see a single one! Not a damn ... Maybe here too ... well, deceived, in short? And there are definitely no grandmas. I checked my pockets in the morning ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 06: 33
      -1
      Quote: Jovanni
      Well, in the morning I rushed to the window - not to see a single one!

      Out of the window? Do you need to build a factory in the yard?
    2. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: Jovanni
      Do you say modular plants? Well, in the morning I rushed to the window - not to see a single one! Not a damn ... Maybe here too ... well, deceived, in short? And there are definitely no grandmas. I checked my pockets in the morning ...

      Do you know why not to see them? And because one such factory covers the needs of the European part of the country for certain products. It used to be some kind of tractor factory that was clearly visible in the regions (thousands of allied plowmen plowed it in most regions) and certainly at the location - the whole city worked for it. And now these are several prefabricated buildings in the suburbs. And you don’t know about him. From whom? It employs six people, including a watchman. Maybe, every day you go by more than one ...
  10. 1536
    1536 April 21 2016 06: 22
    +15
    People in government work great! The incomes of them and their families increase year by year. And considerable income! And, most importantly, there is still a backlog for a further increase in wealth, since wealth in Russia will not end for a long time. Why not rejoice?
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  12. Very old
    Very old April 21 2016 06: 39
    +8
    Quote: 1536
    Why not rejoice?



    -Here is just one question: Who and how distributes "joy"?
    No.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya April 21 2016 07: 02
      +14
      As one friend of mine, a pensioner, said that despite the vigorous activity of "our" government and its constant "care" about our people, we lived, live and will live, no matter how they try to reduce our "lifespan" (and come up with such terms, this is how you should "love" your people). It is high time for us to understand the elementary truth that the people are one thing, and the government is another and it seems that nothing is connected with each other!
  13. populist
    populist April 21 2016 06: 46
    +12
    Our government is thrilled

    Is it ours?
  14. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 21 2016 06: 56
    +4
    Only one factor has real meaning. And this factor is a stable solvent demand! If he is, everything else appears on its own, including production

    No, well, I’m not an economist, but ... And what did it happen before, didn’t it grow at an oil price of $ 100? Who provided the demand? Import? Why isn’t it?
  15. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 21 2016 07: 05
    +2
    "... We have seen a distinct growth in the production of products. Moreover, the most modern and high-tech products."

    Is it about electronics?
  16. Flinky
    Flinky April 21 2016 07: 32
    0
    Say more thanks for being alive.
  17. walerchic80
    walerchic80 April 21 2016 07: 34
    +4
    And where are these "highly automated" factories you can see ???
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 07: 34
      -1
      Quote: walerchic80
      And where are these "highly automated" factories you can see ???

      Have you been banned in Google?
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 21 2016 08: 06
      -4
      there are many examples - http://www.sdelanounas.ru/
  18. Riv
    Riv April 21 2016 07: 53
    +1
    The author is naive. I will explain why.

    Take, for example, electricity. A necessary thing in the household. But the private sector consumes no more than 2% of its production. The main consumers are industry and transport. Or metal - a completely negligible percentage also falls to the final consumer in the form of products. What else? Chloroform. Freon in refrigeration compressors is made from it. Have you ever seen a store on a shelf of chloroform? And you will not see. It is only one of the links in the production chain.

    So, the author has no idea about these chains. They did not teach him. He only knows how to write.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 April 21 2016 08: 24
      +4
      But the private sector consumes no more than 2% of its production.
      -----------------------------------------------------------
      you lagged behind life-tsiferki from socialism. Now, moreover, the level of comfort (refrigerators. kondery and other joys) will be higher

      -------------------------------------------------- ----------------
      The main consumers are industry and transport.
      ----------------------------------------------------------
      Here I agree, but we can draw a logical conclusion. And why is electricity rising in price? Probably the main consumer is bent. And since the number of power plants in the country has not decreased, just as the production of kilowatt / hours has not decreased, it is likely that its cost is growing logically — more sales, less price, less sales, cost increases. And with whom to tear money, it’s right from the population.
      1. Riv
        Riv April 21 2016 10: 29
        0
        No. Electricity is growing in price because its producer raises the price. This is of course a tautology, but it is true. Our price for resources is practically not related to the cost of their production. And on the final product, this price is connected very distantly. Actually, this is characteristic of any developed economy. :)

        You are also mistaken about "pulling money from the population". You can't take more from a person than his salary. The income of the state is formed, first of all, from the additional value that this person produces (well, Marxism!). It can be orders of magnitude more than the wage fund. This also leads to the economic inefficiency of slavery. As the simplest example:

        The harsh Chelyabinsk metallurgist smelted 100 tons of steel per shift. I got my five oblique for a shift and I am satisfied. But 100 tons of steel costs a little more. The company will sell them and pay VAT to the state. He will buy steel, for example, a tank factory and, having passed through the production chain, will make a couple of tanks. The worker who glued the tanks will be paid the same five oblique per day, and sold to the state by state order, for (how much does the T-80 cost there?) Expensive, in short. And if abroad, then even more expensive. Again paying taxes.

        And what do we have in the end? Workers received a tiny amount in their hands. And the state - a couple of tanks, and taxes. And the longer the production chain, the more profitable it is. The most profitable is space.

        So not the population pays for everything, but working enterprises. This hamster does not understand. He does not know how difficult it is: to make a tank. And how profitable - he never thought about it at all.
    2. Beaver
      Beaver April 21 2016 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      Take, for example, electricity. A necessary thing in the household. But the private sector consumes no more than 2% of its production.

      Okay, let's say 98% of electricity is consumed by industry. Who pays these 98%? I guess you answer "industry" and you will be wrong. The producer will include the cost of electricity in the cost of the product and will sell this electricity to the buyers of the product. The next manufacturer will do the same, and the next, until the product reaches the end consumer. The end consumer pays for everything: electricity, fuel, rental of premises, materials, wear and tear of equipment, wages, profits of owners and even all taxes, since they are included in the price of the goods. The end consumer pays for everything! By some coincidence, he is the "household". recourse
      Well and who
      Quote: Riv
      about these chains has no idea
      request lol
      1. Mikhail3
        April 21 2016 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Castor
        The end user pays for everything!

        Okay. It is very good that you have a clear understanding. I see with sorrowful amazement that this simple truth for you and me does not find its way into human heads! It's like people go through life sniffing the chloroform they use as an example. It is incredible but true - it was possible to completely pervert the economic thinking of people, giving them "knowledge" of economics! As far as everything is neglected and stupid, it's just some kind of horror ...
        1. Riv
          Riv April 21 2016 13: 55
          0
          The end consumer pays for everything, no doubt. But! For 99% of the range of goods and raw materials, the final consumer is the same industry, and not a citizen of the state. Or the state itself. Do you often consume the same chloroform? And caustic potassium? Maybe uranium dioxide? A product like a destroyer in the garden is very useful to you? Again, no ... You have children's ideas about the economy.

          The formula "commodity-money-commodity" works and will work. Whether capitalism or socialism is in the yard, Stalin or Truman rules the country, it will be all the same. To produce a GOOD, you need to spend MONEY. How much money did you personally invest in the production of jet engines for the MIG-29 yesterday?

          And warning further delirium about "our taxes" - not yours. How much does one "Armata" cost? Somewhere the figure was 250 rubles. Roughly speaking, from everyone in the country, including babies, you need to take two rubles to make a tank. A little bit, right? They built a tank. It needs shells, cartridges, fuel, a crew (which earns a lot of nichrome), servants, a training ground, spare parts. Another ten kopecks every day, from each. That is, it is not enough to make a tank, then you have to pay for what you have done, just to make it work. ONE RUBLE EVERY DAY FOR TEN TANKS IN A LINE. From you, personally. How many tanks are there in our army? And how many planes? Their exploitation will be more expensive. Do not forget to count the ships. Rocket silos at the Strategic Missile Forces. Everything costs money!

          So that? How much do you personally transfer today to the needs of the army and navy? Not at all. This is because your salary is not enough to even change the track on the tank.
          1. Mikhail3
            April 21 2016 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: Riv
            The end consumer pays for everything, no doubt. But!

            Reread your own phrase again. Once again. And yet ... All your other reasoning is simply because you do not understand this phrase. Know her, but do not understand.
            1. Riv
              Riv April 21 2016 15: 14
              0
              Evgeny Vaganovich, log in.
              Read this phrase again. And more ... And more ... :)
    3. Greyjojo
      Greyjojo April 21 2016 16: 21
      0
      no, he just looks at the economy through the store counter.
      he as a "household" has consumed the product - there is an economy.
      I didn’t consume - there is no economy, because consumerism did not work.
      1. Riv
        Riv April 21 2016 16: 54
        0
        Well it is more like Yes. At the same time, the dude was clearly not in Soviet stores of the late 80s.
  19. Lens
    Lens April 21 2016 07: 54
    +3
    There is such an expression since ancient times - Pyrrhic victory. When a positive result is achieved by disproportionate losses. In the course of the author draws historical parallels ....
  20. Alpha
    Alpha April 21 2016 07: 56
    +4
    Export of products is increasing rapidly. In Serbia, I see every month new products from Russia (a lot of food, cars, tractors, railway locomotives, rails, turbines, etc.)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 21 2016 08: 00
      +2
      Quote: Alpharu
      In Serbia, I see every month new products from Russia (a lot of food, cars, tractors, railway locomotives, rails, turbines, etc.)

      SchA will drive you into such cons. The communists will demand proof from you.
  21. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 April 21 2016 08: 04
    0
    We have seen a clear increase in production. And the most modern and high-tech. It’s not even clear, but the people are so gloomy.

    Author! Good advice to you:
    Take away the bubble and the glass, remove the nastiness that you smoked and OVER!
    Yes, and more. Stop listening to the lies pouring from the TV!
  22. mpzss
    mpzss April 21 2016 08: 09
    -7
    I got the impression that the closer the election, the more often articles appeared here criticizing the government, the president and the politics of our country as a whole, I agree, I don’t understand our politics in everything, but don’t have to soothe the situation, it’s just all grow into something else, more terrible (no need to go far - Ukraine)!
    Therefore, I propose, on this forum, to discuss everything that is related to weapons, but not to the economy and politics!
    In general, the author of the article, with all due respect to you, I understand that you are VERY FAR from finance, production, and the like, because argue as in the 18 century, catch up with the crowd and do everything with your hands, but WHY! Yes, work is tight now, and well-paid is even worse, but it is! you just don’t be lazy and look for it, maybe not in your own city or village, but in the neighboring ones, you have to be mobile, so ALL the world lives! People live where there is work, and where there is no work, they are retired!
  23. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 21 2016 08: 27
    +8
    There is such a concept "advanced development". In simple terms, this is what the state prepares "on the front" for the future, that is, at first it plans how the situation in the country and in the world can change in 5-10-25-50 years, then it considers what resources the country will need in the future for its existence and development and where to get them, then prepares a plan of "advanced development" already with concrete actions: what laws should be adopted for the future and when, how many roads and other infrastructure and where to build, what industries will need to be developed and what factories, etc. to build this and where, what actions should be taken in the "external arena", etc. Then plans "B", "C", "D" are drawn up in case something changes in the country and the world. Then the most important thing follows - these plans are immediately started to be implemented - those responsible for their implementation are appointed, instructions are given, contracts are drawn up, specific actions are taken by industry, etc. And so, in Russia there are no such plans of "advanced development" at all. Instead of thinking about the "advanced development" of our country, do everything possible for this - first of all, build roads to the regions and build other infrastructure for the future development of the country - actually do what the state and government officials exist for, our "wise "statesmen hoped and continue to hope for the" invisible hand of the market "which will do everything for them and for them and will" regulate "everything. Instead of building roads and other infrastructure to attract capital to the regions, they are stubbornly idiots waiting for some mythical "investors" who will come and bring their money and will do everything themselves, and they, that is, statesmen, will continue everything money coming from taxes and other government extortions, withdraw to American banks, buying US bonds with them, that is, they will continue to stimulate the American economy.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver April 21 2016 11: 18
      -1
      Bravo, darling! What a bright head! I would have directly kissed! fellow (Seriously, without any banter or irony).
      One maaaaaaaaaaaaa amendment
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      our "wise" statesmen

      far from being idiots, they consider the people to be idiots, at least part of it, who continue to believe in this "fairy tale about the white bull."
    2. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 11: 42
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      There is such a concept "advanced development

      You're right. But here, not only in the country, but in the whole world, we now have the power of financial capital. Everything that you describe does not fit into the very concepts that this power operates with. The closest scenario is to write a plan according to which you can pump the maximum amount of state funds into your pocket. From the fact that you have to actually spend (and not convert yourself into accounts) some funds, financiers embrace cramps ...
  24. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. April 21 2016 08: 54
    +9
    Mediocrity, stupidity, incompetence, not professionalism of the government and government in domestic politics, in particular economics, personnel, ideology, and all this are covered by the first persons of the state with unfounded successes and calls for a brighter future. Look what happens to business, small and medium-sized businesses in the majority are destroyed, they simply don’t allow them to work, tax authorities, hiding behind supposedly orders from above, just distort the laws, the courts indulge them and where is the development and desire to work and create .. The authorities created COMMUNISM for a handful people in the political, economic and criminal procedural sphere, but they simply put it on the PEOPLE and there’s no way out of the situation, they don’t have any desire to create, develop their tasks — to cut, divide, ditch, grab themselves and their loved ones - GOS SHOCK THIPS DEFEATED CONSCIENCE.
    1. Greyjojo
      Greyjojo April 21 2016 16: 19
      0
      1) I do small business and work closely with many companies. The main problem is not the pressure of the Federal Tax Service and the bureaucracy (it becomes easier to do business every year), but the consolidation of capital; the arrival of federal players on the scale of Auchan / Leroy, etc.
      it is large networks that burn small local businesses.

      don't talk nonsense.

      2) "to create communism for a group of people" is just nonsense. give for the beginning the definition of communism and you will understand what kind of stupidity they have. Communism is not rivers of milk on the banks of the jelly.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 21 2016 08: 55
    +3
    Who remembers the story? Luddites (Eng. Luddites) - participants in the spontaneous protests of the first quarter of the XIX century against the introduction of machines during the industrial revolution in England. From the point of view of the Luddites, cars drove people out of production, which led to technological unemployment. Often the protest was expressed in pogroms and destruction of machinery and equipment. Https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%
    D1% 8B
    Well, do not copy to us the events of the distant past. laughing Maybe it’s worth it to improve the quality of the workforce?
    1. Beaver
      Beaver April 21 2016 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Maybe it’s worth it to improve the quality of the workforce?

      Develop a thought. Who will do the promotion? I understand, of course, anyone, but not the state. Suggest your options.
      PS Thank you, although they did not hint about the disposal of unnecessary labor.
      ZZY Do not be offended, please, the last comment is not addressed to you, it just inspired by reading other comments. sad No matter how strong the economy is, it will not protect itself from external aggression. The people will die of hunger, there will be no conscripts, and the "modular army" has not yet entered the market. Or will guest workers protect Russia tomorrow with its advanced economy?
  26. Geosun
    Geosun April 21 2016 09: 34
    0
    It is sad that most have only emotions.
    And nobody wants to talk. Just recently, the bankruptcy of a large sugar factory, which previously employed 4500 people, was announced. But think for yourself how this enterprise can be effective if so many people get paid. Well, it is clear that its products will be very expensive. Of course, people are sorry, but everyone needs cheap sugar, which can be obtained on a modular automatic line, when several operators work. For this or advanced technology or manual, mass labor, but with a meager salary only for the most necessary. But there is no other way, even crack!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 21 2016 10: 29
      +4
      That is why I wrote about "advanced development" - the state should think about how to develop production and how to deal with the redundant personnel, and for this it is necessary to develop not only the enclaves of Moscow and St. Petersburg, and oil production centers, but also the rest of the country - to build roads to carry out infrastructure to remote corners of the country, so that the people do not clump together in the "centers", but can freely move to the periphery, they can settle down there comfortably and so that enterprises, firms, and so on are already created there. In addition, it is necessary to change, simplify the legislation relating to entrepreneurial activity - to simplify it as much as possible and exempt from taxes, private farms, in general, need to be exempted from all extortions, let them provide themselves, and taxes are paid only on the products sold, moreover, not forward, as now , but only after the sale and immediately after the sale. In addition, the tax payment system should be simplified as soon as possible and should be carried out literally in "one click" ... -But .... we do nothing in this "direction", absolutely nothing.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov April 21 2016 11: 07
      +4
      Of course, it’s a pity for people, but everyone needs cheap sugar, which can be obtained on a modular automatic line, when several operators are working ,,
      can you imagine at least one product that has become cheaper?
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 21 2016 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: Geosun
      Just recently a bankruptcy of a large sugar factory, which previously employed 4500 people, was announced. But think for yourself how this enterprise can be effective if so many people get paid. Well, it is clear that its products will be very expensive. Of course, people are sorry, but everyone needs cheap sugar, which can be obtained on a modular automatic line, when several operators work. For this or advanced technology or manual, mass labor, but with a meager salary only for the most necessary. But there is no other way, even crack!

      Well, yes, it doesn’t happen - in a capitalist economy.
      Recently I read an article on a nearby branch - it seems to be about the army, about officers; but no - about all of us:
      Five years ago, when I wore epaulettes, it was recognized at the highest level that, no matter how wildly it sounds, the scourge of the army was officer crime, among which the leadership was particularly disturbed by acts of self-interest. Alas, according to available information, the situation has changed little. Today, as then, officers commit from a quarter to a third of all crimes. The number of offenses committed for mercenary motives is growing .... here, against the backdrop of real successes in combat training, equipping the army with equipment, providing military personnel with housing and exemplary tasks in Syria, things are far from brilliant.
      ... More recently, it seemed to many that the root of the problem lies on the surface: low monetary maintenance of military personnel, social disorder and other unfavorable factors. However, in 2012 the monetary allowance was significantly increased, the housing issue was radically resolved, and the prestige of the service grew. It was logical to expect the shameful phenomena of embezzlement, corruption, and banal theft to be eradicated in the army ... Until recently, many thought that the root of the problem lay on the surface: low pay for soldiers, social disorder, and other unfavorable factors. However, in 2012 the monetary allowance was significantly increased, the housing issue was radically resolved, and the prestige of the service grew. It was logical to expect the eradication of the shameful phenomena of embezzlement, corruption and banal theft in the army.
      ... The reason is not at all the poor financial situation of people wearing shoulder straps. It is in the spiritual and moral sphere, driven to the periphery of the consciousness of officers, who often think in different, mundane categories.

      From time immemorial, service has been perceived in Russia as self-sacrifice and great responsibility. You don’t have to go far for examples: there are enough of them in our history.

      And we know that the government never particularly spoiled the service class with high salaries, which did not, however, reduce the prestige of this activity, especially among officers. The army has never (not counting a handful of indestructible, like cockroaches, embezzlers) was not perceived as a place of enrichment. Quite the contrary: entering the military service, a nobleman or a Cossack also incurred certain expenses. In return, she gave honor, glory, awards and ranks - what makes a man self-sufficient. What the strong half of humanity lacks today, not only in Russia.
  27. Greyjojo
    Greyjojo April 21 2016 09: 45
    -6
    Apparently, the author's knowledge of economics does not go beyond the school course "economics".
    I don’t even want to disassemble and refute.
  28. Million
    Million April 21 2016 09: 51
    +2
    Our government is simply incompetent in many matters. Yes, and their moral and spiritual qualities are at the lowest level.
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  30. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 21 2016 10: 00
    0
    Automation of production is an inevitable process and it will continue.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov April 21 2016 11: 09
      +3
      Automation of production is an inevitable process and it will continue. ,,
      yes who is against, but who should think about the whole population? or only the elite are worthy of life in ,, new Russia ,,
  31. praide
    praide April 21 2016 11: 35
    0
    These plants are highly automated. Do you understand? Our products are now in full swing. But ten people pay wages where five thousand worked before. The salary is not even too high, and justified. Why pay a lot to the operator if almost no knowledge is required from him?
    That's just the rest of the people do not get anything, they were kicked out of work. They are not needed. Our great economists can’t get through the simple truth: there’s nobody now to sell what they produced on their automatic modules.

    These plants mainly produce capital goods, or work for the defense industry.
    Do you want to buy a Su-35, Armata, or a high-precision CNC machine?
    1. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: praide
      Do you want to buy a Su-35, Armata, or a high-precision CNC machine?

      Yes, the Christmas trees are green! Not the state pays for 35! The state does not, did not have and never will have anything of its own! This is impossible in principle! And the owner does not pay for the means of production! This is also impossible, unreal, does not happen!
      You pay for everything in the world! You understand? You, me, him, they ... Households. We earn money, more precisely - we create material resources with our labor. Everything else grows out of it. It is from this. And then we pay everything. And Sushki, and the means of production ... Damn burnt, under socialism, the construction and commissioning of the means of production was the conquest of the country. And now, this simply means that households must pay for them, pay for the module, by purchasing the goods produced on them.
      How to buy them if households have no income? Revenues from highly automated schemes receive dozens of families. They cannot create a solvent demand for the production of their robots. But robots don’t consume, they don’t get paid!
      This plug will not even decide to cut us! We are now useless, we are not in the automation chain. But all the same - to whom to wear the pants sewn on automatic equipment? Well, what is incomprehensible here, huh?
      1. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo April 21 2016 16: 14
        0
        And a lot of money "created" your household, when to go out, knit counterfeiters?
      2. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo April 21 2016 16: 33
        +1
        1) Who owns Rosneft, Rostelecom, Gazprom? - to the state, not to us.
        2) And where will the household get income from?
        - will produce some useful product (will work shift at the factory)
        - take a loan.
        it is obvious that the second way is a dead end, but without the availability of production of a national useful product, household incomes have nowhere to take.
        the phrase “households pay for everything” shows the focus of the approach on the consumer economy, which is not unique in the world.
    2. Verdun
      Verdun April 21 2016 13: 05
      +1
      Do you want to buy a Su-35, Armata, or a high-precision CNC machine?
      High-precision CNC machines are advantageous only for very large production volumes. Otherwise, they do not reduce the cost of production, but, on the contrary, make it more expensive. Many enterprises purchase such equipment not because of its economic efficiency, but in order not to bother with people.
  32. Verdun
    Verdun April 21 2016 11: 37
    +4
    Henry Ford Sr., the founder of the company, believed that the main task of the owner of the enterprise was to produce the cheapest possible product and pay his employees the highest possible salary. Then these employees will be able to buy the manufactured products, which will undoubtedly bring profit to the owners of the enterprise. Alas, this does not work in a buy-and-sell economy.
  33. atamankko
    atamankko April 21 2016 11: 53
    0
    Something in my heart became disgusted after everything I read,
    it is evident that he was getting old at the eighth ten and was not thinking well.
  34. CONTROL
    CONTROL April 21 2016 11: 58
    +4
    / continued /
    Officers are increasingly looking for fame, achieved not by service, but by acquiring, for example, a cool foreign car - such as none of their colleagues, including the commander, have. What can I say, if today the very last contractor considers it shameful for himself not to have a car, with the purchase of which he supposedly falls into a certain circle of favorites. The same story with smartphones, other technological innovations, the number of which is growing like a snowball, and the goal of their manufacturers is obvious: to force the average person to constantly buy, changing old models to new, more advanced, cool ones. How to live in such conditions for a consumer officer who suddenly realizes that he has an outdated car or iPhone? And new miracles of technology are approaching - the conveyor under the slogan “Consumers of all countries, unite!” works properly.
    The legendary general M. Skobelev believed: "The influence on the moral side of persons and units in military affairs should be in the foreground." To the consumer, the money-grubber, the egoist, piety is alien. In a spiritless, thoroughly materialistic society, these vices have nothing to limit, they have nothing to oppose.
    Today, people with consumer psychology make up a significant percentage of the officers. They contradict the representatives of the party of servants, but since every year there are less and less romantics who honor and keep traditions, and there are more “consumers”, the scales are inexorably leaning toward the latter.
    ... listening or reading the speeches of other military leaders in charge of “discipline”, you feel a lack of understanding of the depth of the problem. Inserting Suvorov’s phrase “My Honor Above All. God’s patron saint! ”, Do they realize that the great commander did not accidentally remember the name of the Lord?
    Roman Ilyushchenko,
    lieutenant colonel
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/30320

  35. alicante11
    alicante11 April 21 2016 14: 20
    +1
    In general, if you look at history, not a single large capitalist economy has risen on domestic demand. The capitalist economy is characterized by SALES MARKETS. Those. places where the manufactured products are alloyed. Why is it not profitable for capitalists to sell their products "at home"? Because the solvency of "households" will never exceed itself. And for capitalism this is necessary, because the owners need to make a profit that settles with them, and does not go back into circulation, i.e. households' solvency is constantly decreasing. And if you do not capture new markets with new "money" (resources, gold, production), then the market will collapse. This is the law of capitalism, its original sin. As you know, they tried to solve the problem of lack of market expansion with loans. But this is also for the time being. And the loan also washes away solvency, but delayed. But it will be impossible to break out of this bondage.
    Therefore, I find the thoughts of the author very strange, who transfers socialist theories to capitalist realities. Yes, the incomes of the population are falling now, but this does not negate the growth of export incomes (and where, given low oil prices, profit in the fund's "pod" The capitalists are stupidly gorging themselves on and take away the lion's share of income in profit. We will not have overproduction. At least in the near foreseeable future. Because our market is filled with imports, on which we spend "household income", but we can redirect them into "our" industry (or rather, oligarchic). We still need to "substitute" so much that the growth of industry will be sufficient to keep up with the Stalinist rates even with a decrease in income.
    1. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 16: 56
      +4
      Quote: alicante11
      Therefore, the thoughts of the author who transfers socialist theories to capitalist realities seem very strange to me.

      Unclear? Let me explain. Growth, and even "huge" export earnings? Cool, just cool. The textbook says so, really. But in the textbook, the export goes to the void. Otherwise, the construction of the model of "classical capitalism", which is taught at the HSE, is impossible.
      And with real export, you described the situation almost correctly - all markets are already occupied. You yourself write this! And the conclusion from the fact that the markets are full, what is yours? Dear mom - we will get huge profits from the clogged markets! As they say, either remove the cross, or put on your pants ...
      We will not have huge profits, as they are not now. Import substitution? I'm sorry, are you an official? In our ministries, it is customary to use data from five years, or even more, ago. You did not notice, but people's incomes have fallen, and they continue to plummet. This happens for the reasons I described, which for some reason you do not see. And this decline is accelerating, as more and more people can not repay debts, the very money that makes the fall not as sharp as it should be.
      To continue to consume goods, whether imported or not, people will soon have to sell kidneys. Then death from the inability to buy expensive drugs. Of course, reducing the number of consumers who are thrown out of the production chain will have some effect in terms of reducing the base of protests. But there will still be no one to buy goods! It’s amazing, just amazing that those who should actually not see this. Will we not have overproduction? Yes, I'm not talking about him at all!
      We already have an inability to earn! There will be few goods, but they cannot be bought! Damn, it's all useless. All these dumb lines from long-obsolete, and even perverted textbooks can not be knocked out by any explanation. Can hunger help? Or maybe it won’t help? In vain I got out ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 22 2016 10: 45
        0
        And with real export, you described the situation almost correctly - all markets are already occupied. You yourself write this! And the conclusion from the fact that the markets are full, what is yours? Dear mom - we will get huge profits from the clogged markets! As they say, either remove the cross, or put on your pants ...


        You have not read my post to the end?
        We will not have overproduction. At least for the foreseeable future. Because our market is filled with imports, on which we spend "household income", but we can redirect them to "our" industry (or rather, oligarchic). We still need to "substitute import" so much that the growth of industry will be sufficient for Stalin's rates even with a decrease in income.


        We still have a rampart of the domestic market from which to import imported goods. And the bonus is a weak ruble, which gives the domestic producer an advantage.
        I am not saying that capitalism is right and that it rules, I say, NOW domestic industry has room to grow, even in the face of falling solvent demand among the population.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun April 22 2016 12: 52
          0
          A weak ruble gives an advantage only to those manufacturers who supply their products to other, more developed countries. In our case, these are mostly commodity companies. For companies supplying their products to the domestic market, a weak national currency brings only losses.
  36. DenZ
    DenZ April 21 2016 15: 02
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Dear Denis, I beg you, do not let die d.ura! Open to me and everyone - what is the driving force of the capitalist economy ?! You are welcome!! Is there really something that can support it by itself when there are no buyers?

    The driving force of the capitalist economy is the personal interest of the capitalist in profit. This does not matter where he finds his customers in his country or abroad (this is because you are worried that the population of our country does not have money (the population of a neighboring country has the same money)).
    1. Verdun
      Verdun April 21 2016 15: 22
      0
      So the fact of the matter is that for one particular country neither the rules of ideal communism nor the rules of ideal capitalism work. For capitalists who are interested only in personal enrichment, the existence of countries with a backward economy and cheap labor will always be beneficial.
    2. Mikhail3
      April 21 2016 17: 12
      +1
      That is, Denis, it already dawned on you that it is impossible to build an economic chain that is not based on household income? Well, at least someone at least understood something) Yes, yes, this is impossible. Everything is based on effective demand.
      And the only thing you can object to is the personal interest of the capitalist. But this is not even an objection ... You see, it does not matter what makes the capitalist play the game. Economics is not a game. You just described motivation. Feel the difference? Motivation for fun. And not the driving force of the economic process.
      And the process slows down and collapses. To save the construction that the teachers have built in your head, you resort to the explanation that they use when they cannot answer. Like, yes, in this country capitalism will die. But there are neighboring countries!
      Denis ... you will not believe. You will never believe it! But there are not only neighboring countries. There are in these countries ... neighboring capitalists !! True! There is! Moreover, they, these neighboring capitalists, are trying to break into the neighbors, which, suddenly, we have been for at least the last five hundred years. They have vast experience hacking each other.
      And now the world has come to a point where there is already nothing and no one to break. Ukraine, which is covered in detail on this site, drew attention to it? Even a little? Here they tried to break it, for the growth of capitalism of the EEC. And how do you like the result? EEC prettier? They tried to crack our market through it. Come out? We feel bad, duty-free goods of the EEC would make the drop generally peak. So we fought back.
      But getting into something will not work. Overcome the dope that has clouded your head. To get in now it turns out only when to get in to no avail, everything has already perished. We must look for a way out of this game, the rules of which will not allow anyone to win. All scammers. All fight without rules. Everyone has tried everything. Either knock over the board, or die.
    3. Beaver
      Beaver April 21 2016 18: 50
      0
      Quote: DenZ
      The driving force of the capitalist economy is the personal interest of the capitalist in profit.

      If we agree with you, then the next thought may be something like "the car is moving along the road due to the driver's desire to get from point A to point B". wassat
  37. user3970
    user3970 April 21 2016 15: 38
    +5
    I'll shake it up. People, I grew up in a scoop. I remember milk and kefir in glass bottles, when you pierce a green or white cap with your finger, and it, bitch, does not pour! The cream appeared during transportation! The sausage was made from meat, and the stew was a stew. And the bread was made of flour and loaves of grain of the highest grade, and not from feed. Guys, there were 300 million of us in the USSR at that time. By order of whom we were transferred to the consumption of g..vna? Another question . I suppose there are three countries in the world where communism was built. This is Switzerland - the Jewish interest rate, that's understandable. Sweden is high technology and production, and there they tear off three skins from the rich (the Swedish Zanussi washing machine has been plowing for ten years, and under the window the neighbor's Volvo stands, the same age as the Volga-21, bastards do not break! And the third country that built communism is Libya (in the past), where the nurse received $ 1 a month and where everyone had everything according to their needs. And I think this nurse was deeply cared for ... how much her president earns AND STATE LEADER Muammar Gaddafi. And me It is annoying when I, having a technical degree and 000 higher working categories, have a salary of 4 rubles in Vologda (I live here), and the governor has more than 25 rubles and they have it according to need. I understand. Game of chance. When Tanya Dyachenko , even during his lifetime, the authorities of the father asked who Roma Abramovich was, she said: "And this is a boy on parcels ... Buy tickets, run to the store ..." Our president is also a game of chance. Well, the red-haired Chubais liked him and unemployed became president. they say: every cook can rule, but apparently not every KGB guy. And finally, it is difficult to call a STATE leader who uses the resources of the country and the people, which he leads only for the benefit of himself, his beloved, his friends and slaves.
  38. Mikhail3
    April 21 2016 19: 53
    +2
    I sparked a lively discussion. It's already nice. Unfortunately, many have not understood it. I'll try to catch up. Mrs. Nabiullina said in today's interview that we have a classic crisis here. And "it is necessary to get out of it in a conservative way." From the level of understanding of the head of our Central Bank, I just want to cry. We do not have any crisis of overproduction, and it does not threaten us, therefore the used recipes are as useful to us as rubbing a patient with plague.
    What is a normal crisis? Too much production, too many goods, too many enterprises. Everything is falling. However, in harsh conditions, manufacturers gather, switch to new methods, workers learn the latest skills, master the best technologies, and enterprises begin to produce the best products. Ineffective owners will face collapse, effective owners will prosper, crisis will be overcome.
    What is missing in the current situation? Workers. They do not learn new techniques and, accordingly, do not receive a salary. Nobody replaced them, they simply ceased to be needed. Automated production did not create the need for new, better workers, but simply threw them out the gate. But these are not just workers. These consumers are the foundation of capitalism!
    What happened when industrial production came (and luddites, yeah)? People have changed specializations. And now? Today, there is nothing to change specialization for. There used to be a shepherd, he was driven from the ground, he learned to be a weaver in a factory. And now? No one to learn from. And it is useless - modern production brings profit to the owner directly. And why does the owner need his former employees? What should he do with them? He has nothing to pay them for. But he, the proud owner, in the same pit, just so far on top. Who will buy the products of his vending machines? No one. There are no salaries, that is, there is no redistribution of income. All him. And his goods are just lying around ...
    Do you understand? We, humanity, have reached the limit in optimizing production. They increased the share of manufactured products per person until they were completely excluded. And now man has only hunger, and production - simple. We, Russia, have plunged into this problem on a grand scale, from which the rest of humanity is suffocating. Even colonialism will not save us all! The colonialists took resources from the colonies and received free labor. And now, labor is simply not needed, even for free.
    The model of distribution of social wealth called "capitalism" is dying, having fully exhausted its potential. Finita. What are we doing? We, tightly screwing up our eyes and covering our eyes with hopelessly outdated and deceitful "sources", are running headlong wherever we go. And we are on a cliff, further abyss ...