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Media: Beijing offered Moscow to exchange space technologies

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Beijing is ready to transfer to the Russian Federation the technology of creating a "radiation-resistant electronic component base" (ECB) for space applications. In return, he would like to receive the technology for the production of liquid rocket engines, Lenta.ru report message "News".




According to the newspaper, “a batch discussion on the transfer of ECB technologies and rocket engines was, in particular, reflected in the official protocol following the results of the last meeting of the commission of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and Deputy Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Wang Yang.

“The rocket engines and EKB are linked together, because in these points we are talking about the exchange of technologies, and in other cases - just about the interaction at a closer level,” a source in Roskosmos told Izvestia.

The interviewee said that the Chinese side "wants to get from Russia not just oxygen-kerosene rocket engines, but also the technology of their production." Instead, “they offer technology for the production of electronic spacecraft of the Space category for use in spacecraft,” he added.

According to the source, this exchange is not equivalent. “Russia is a recognized leader in the field of liquid engine building, our engines are being bought by American companies,” he said. Chinese experts "have not yet been able to copy the most advanced American developments."
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  1. Error
    Error April 19 2016 11: 55
    +45
    They think they are so smart ?! Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 19 2016 12: 00
      +24
      "Media: Beijing invited Moscow to exchange space technologies"
      What is this ?! We are technology for you and you are money for us? Or what? laughing
      Yes, you don't even have to be a specialist to see the second and third stage of the rocket a copy of the "Union" on their launch vehicle. Differs from the original by the presence of a tattoo in the form of hieroglyphs.
      1. Error
        Error April 19 2016 12: 04
        +19
        Yes, they went with such proposals, we will do everything ourselves! They only have one good thing to copy here and let them copy, but in high technology, leave the pros
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 April 19 2016 12: 27
          +7
          Nah yes. It will not be enough!
      2. Samen
        Samen April 19 2016 12: 07
        +8
        Maybe they still have the keys to ... remotes? !!!
      3. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 19 2016 12: 49
        +11
        As far as I understand, the first stage there is an analogue of "Proton", it works on heptyl, which is extremely useful for health. Apparently, even the Chinese are annoyed by this aspect due to the fact that they already have piloted teikonautics, they want something safer under their ass, and not a poisonous and poorly predictable bomb.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought April 19 2016 12: 08
      +7
      We don’t have to give in to sweet Chinese persuasion, because The Chinese are primarily looking for their own benefits, but do we really need Chinese benefits? Of course not!
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. Proxima
      Proxima April 19 2016 12: 23
      +2
      Quote: Error
      They think they are so smart ?! Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered

      if they were so smart, they could assume that getting the technology and mastering it are completely different concepts, the Americans have been "mastering" the technology of rd-20 production for more than 180 years, although they beat themselves in the chest that they would stamp them like sausages.
    5. lelikas
      lelikas April 19 2016 12: 26
      +2
      Quote: Error
      They think they are so smart ?! Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered

      You, as well as the following 12 commenters, before Dimon, did not understand the main thing - the Chinese, white in Russian, pointed to our problems in the field of microelectronics for space, and for one, the way out - because in conditions of sanctions, to buy it from them have to . And without technology, they and aircraft engines could not really repeat.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 19 2016 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        Quote: Error
        They think they are so smart ?! Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered

        You, as well as the following 12 commenters, before Dimon, did not understand the main thing - the Chinese, white in Russian, pointed to our problems in the field of microelectronics for space, and for one, the way out - because in conditions of sanctions, to buy it from them have to . And without technology, they and aircraft engines could not really repeat.

        Did the Chinese tell us? We absolutely need such pointers ... The "secret" of radiation resistance is that you need to take crystals from the "white" list, out of those 5% of ideally high-quality microcircuits that are not sold to us for any money. This is, of course, a terrible secret.
        In general, the Chinese offered us, as I understand it, to sell such microcircuits. To be honest, it is "slightly" unprofitable for us. Today they are selling, tomorrow they will be sent somewhere ... Let them build a silicon factory on our territory free of charge and completely transfer the entire cycle. Moreover, the factory is the most modern today. Here is a roughly equivalent exchange. And that is not enough, we have a sufficient factory, albeit not the smallest one. Look, dreaming ...
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 19 2016 14: 42
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          In general, the Chinese offered us, as I understand it, to sell such microcircuits. To be honest, it is "slightly" unprofitable for us. Today they are selling, tomorrow they will be sent somewhere ... Let them build a silicon factory on our territory free of charge and completely transfer the entire cycle. Moreover, the factory is the most modern today. Here is a roughly equivalent exchange. And that is not enough, we have a sufficient factory, albeit not the smallest one. Look, dreaming ...

          Quote: Mikhail3
          In general, the Chinese offered us, as I understand it, to sell such microcircuits. To be honest, it is "slightly" unprofitable for us. Today they are selling, tomorrow they will be sent somewhere ... Let them build a silicon factory on our territory free of charge and completely transfer the entire cycle. Moreover, the factory is the most modern today. Here is a roughly equivalent exchange. And that is not enough, we have a sufficient factory, albeit not the smallest one. Look, dreaming ...

          Have you read the article? They just change technology to technology.
      2. quote
        quote April 19 2016 17: 12
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        The Chinese, Russian in white, pointed out our problems in the field of microelectronics for space,

        Are you completely serious? How many launches the Chinese have compared to the Soviet-Russian ones? (How many Chinese satellites are in orbit?) And what is their development, what is their superiority? What? Answer ??????
        Ah !! Just indicated? Fig yourself.
        (Over 40 satellites were launched in 2003 years. In XNUMX, manned space programs appeared).
        (In 2012, the first manned flight took place in China)
      3. AleksPol
        AleksPol April 19 2016 22: 01
        0
        Googling about ELBRUS
    6. poquello
      poquello April 19 2016 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: Error
      They think they are so smart ?! Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered

      A batch discussion of issues related to the transfer of ECB technologies and rocket engines is also reflected in the official protocol following the results of the last meeting of the Rogozin – Yan Commission, held in December 2015 (a copy of the document is in Izvestia).

      Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/610517#ixzz46GNRstbd
      and here is what Xinhua writes
      The Commission on the preparation of regular meetings of the heads of government of China and Russia played an important role in stimulating practical cooperation, and he hopes that the parties will intensify their joint work in order to identify new growth points in various areas of partnership.

      During the meeting, a frank and detailed exchange of views took place on issues of cooperation in the nuclear field, civil aviation, astronautics, trade, cross-border logistics and agriculture.

      well talked, and for now
    7. ASG7
      ASG7 April 19 2016 13: 48
      +2
      Let them live in good ignorance and think that we need their technology. Give them hope and let them live happily.
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    9. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig April 19 2016 14: 34
      0
      Quote: Error
      Still on the technology of tailoring down jackets offered

      There are enough people wishing to enter another's hump into paradise!
    10. Dimontius
      Dimontius April 19 2016 15: 49
      0
      Want to be friends and collaborate? Well, invest in our various projects, and even those that are not very popular! And here you go, we aimed at our tidbits, their engines, s-400 fighters. I hope at least they will be sent with engines!
    11. Bath
      Bath April 19 2016 16: 25
      +1
      Tricky ass-clipped hunveibins and immediately Poplar or Yars on down jackets and alarm clocks do not change weight by weight
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol April 19 2016 21: 57
        +1
        What an exchange. Russia launches its Elbrus and Periphery processors. And I hope they are designed to work in space
        1. Roman 57 rus
          Roman 57 rus April 19 2016 23: 21
          +1
          Read carefully, we are talking about a radiation-resistant electronic battery! At MAKS 2015, ours presented a memory module for a 128Gb spacecraft the size of a little more than a pack of cigarettes. The previous one was 16Gb the size of a car battery 60 A.
  2. Muvka
    Muvka April 19 2016 11: 56
    +3
    No no no no no no no no !!!
  3. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR April 19 2016 11: 57
    +2
    Oh, and a cunning sentence. Perhaps ours will find a worthwhile answer screw ...
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 19 2016 12: 16
      0
      Probably they will answer that the halves from the RD-170 all go to the Americans and even Roskosmos itself does not have the right to use them, just like the Americans were granted the rights to the production technology transferred to them long ago and for free yes

      Please contact the Negro in a white house in short please. laughing
  4. Andrey K
    Andrey K April 19 2016 11: 59
    +13
    Very similar to a popular Ukrainian saying:
    Listen, let’s smoke yours, and then each his own ... laughing
  5. universe1
    universe1 April 19 2016 12: 01
    0
    There is probably a wrong translation from Chinese - it will be right to share.
  6. teron
    teron April 19 2016 12: 01
    +5
    Under no circumstances should such "exchanges" be allowed. But there is a feeling that our "effective" will agree.
  7. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 April 19 2016 12: 02
    +2
    Nevertheless, in the development and production of an electronic base (not only space), we are behind China (
    1. poquello
      poquello April 19 2016 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Nevertheless, in the development and production of an electronic base (not only space), we are behind China (

      yes, it’s not clear where we lag behind there, maybe Rogozin ate a lot of crickets, a side effect
  8. killganoff
    killganoff April 19 2016 12: 05
    -3
    “Russia is a recognized leader in the field of liquid engine manufacturing, our engines are bought by American companies,” he said. Chinese experts "have not yet been able to copy the most advanced American developments."

    Of course, it is not correct for the United States to consider the standard of the highest technology in electronics, but we have already lagged behind the Chinese in this direction.
  9. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr April 19 2016 12: 06
    +1
    why not?
    What is the use of engines, if we cannot launch anything modern on our own !?
    This will greatly undermine the leadership of the Yankees.
  10. Engineer
    Engineer April 19 2016 12: 07
    +8
    Shame ... there is actually no microelectronic industry. The head of Roscosmos boasts of a new monitoring satellite, because it is almost 100% created on the western element base.
    Russia is a recognized leader in the field of liquid engine manufacturing

    The union was a leader, Russia uses the Soviet backlog on engines and sell Soviet engines to Americans.
    our engines are bought by american companies

    Because not one Western company at such a low price did not offer engines. Proton flies on Soviet engines, Union (seven) flies on Soviet engines, Angara flies on Soviet engines. Until a new engine for LNG is tested, until Soyuz-5 takes off, Russia does not have to boast in the field of rocket engines.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 19 2016 12: 07
    +2
    this exchange is not equivalent

    It is obvious. It’s only worth sharing technology with the Chinese, as you don’t have time to look back, and they have already asked you from the market. Friendship, friendship, but their interests should be in the first place.
  12. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN April 19 2016 12: 08
    +1
    Media: Beijing invited Moscow to exchange space technology ..
    And, what they want to offer us a weighty ... we all build on our technologies and then decided to share their own, and ours as always agree ...
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 19 2016 12: 08
    +1
    We have done and are radiation resistant. Tearing has passed through interdepartmental borders. Let them buy if you really need to.
  14. iouris
    iouris April 19 2016 12: 13
    0
    To die - do not get up.
  15. Pereira
    Pereira April 19 2016 12: 13
    +2
    Why do they need our old stuff? Let them exchange technologies in the leading space power - Outskirts. They will not twist their noses and will immediately agree.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news April 19 2016 12: 34
      +1
      All Ukrainian science has been working for China for about 20 years. Everything that could be bought or exchanged in Ukraine has long been bought and exchanged.
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  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 19 2016 12: 14
    +1
    Ahahaha))) (well, this is just a gift for our thieves !!!! Only the reconstruction of the national element base of microelectronics is barely starting and they are offering to replace everything with Chinese 0! And in return they want breakthrough technologies!

    The highly controversial claim that Chinese microelectronics is highly resistant to radiation

    Nah ........ perhaps you shouldn’t go for this deal
  17. ARES623
    ARES623 April 19 2016 12: 16
    +4
    It is necessary to sell, exchange those technologies, to which they have "5 minutes" left. The Chinese people are specific. They will never make sacrifices for friendship or solidarity. They have their own interests above all else. Actually, they are the same nationalists as Europeans or Ukrainians. They are all other peoples, incl. and Russians are rated no higher than 2 or 3 grades, considering themselves superior. They need to be cared for by the contractual process in exactly the same way as they do us - with five years. We need to make it clear to them that a positive result is possible over time, although not necessary. So that interest is not lost. In a negotiated process, they offer progress in one direction, forcing out preferences for themselves in others. The East is a delicate matter, the Far East is even more subtle. The problem is that with such a neighbor at hand, the initiative of the state and business in a deep study of these "subtleties" is not noticeable. Even those single graduates of the Chinese faculties of "foreign language" that are currently being produced by universities (especially in the European part of Russia) cannot really find work in their specialty. I personally know three of them, none of them works in the Chinese direction. How are we going to "beat" the Chinese? I can't imagine.
  18. Mister22408
    Mister22408 April 19 2016 12: 21
    0
    "On the territory of Mongolia, due to the failure of super-protected electronics, a new Chinese orbital station fell, two Chinese cosmonauts and a hundred stokers died, all were bald ..."
    In fact, the "Space" category of elements and chips can be bought in Hong Kong. Again, we have this protection technology, true for a planar, but it is not difficult to modify it. Effective unless it is repeat
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 April 19 2016 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Mister22408
      Effective unless

      Effective just fame, honor and money, and honest. But it would be simple - they would have done it long ago and would not have bought from the Chinese. Not very simple, not even at all ...
  19. magician
    magician April 19 2016 12: 22
    +1
    Does the Chinese dragon want to move us in this direction to the 2nd plan?
    technologies can only be traded if:
    - they are outdated and do not affect state security
    -technologies not affecting the economic and political weight of the state
    In general, the Chinese should first pay for our technologies used.
  20. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 19 2016 12: 29
    +5
    I am ready to transfer to the Russian Federation technologies for creating a “radiation-resistant electronic component base” (ECB) for space applications. In exchange, he would like to receive a technology for the production of liquid rocket engines

    Russia does not have a radiation-resistant electronic component base (the electronics for controlling our nuclear power plants are Russian), and not only China, but also Koreans, Europeans, and the USA have such an element base.
    But only Russia has the technology for producing powerful rocket engines, and that’s why even Americans are buying our engines to launch their loads into space. Moreover, liquid rocket engines are dual-use technologies (you can launch civilian cargo into space or put it on ICBMs).

    If you put your hand on your heart, then the Chinese radiation-resistant electronic component base can only be used under sanctions, since the Chinese stupidly produce weaker analogs of Western electronic components.

    The Chinese want to buy only what they could not do for many years, despite the huge amount of money allocated for this.
    I believe that Russia is able to provide itself with its own technologies in the production of radiation-resistant electronic component base in the coming years.
  21. Arkan
    Arkan April 19 2016 12: 35
    +1
    Beijing invited Moscow to exchange space technology


    Tricksters, however! Consumer goods and pyrotechnics to stamp, do not produce engines for rockets. We will deal with electronics ourselves, not immediately, but we will master it.
  22. Igor V
    Igor V April 19 2016 12: 36
    +4
    In the 90s, thanks to officials, we gave them almost everything related to manned space almost for free. I recall how the Chief designer of the spacesuits, passing the drawings, tore one sheet in the fuse. It turned out - a drawing of the part protecting the chin. Then, when the first cosmonaut arrived (or whatever they have there), he was pleased to see that the astronaut was bleeding from his mouth. Even the Chinese could not design and manufacture such a small part. So the flights of the Chinese are also Soviet technology. We will return to the 90s with the sale of rocket engine technologies when everything was squandered.
  23. In..
    In.. April 19 2016 12: 53
    0
    Great Chinese copy technology ...
  24. umka_
    umka_ April 19 2016 13: 15
    +1
    Tyrenny technology in exchange for those that do not shove ...
  25. Romin
    Romin April 19 2016 13: 46
    +1
    If our de..bi ... l..da subscribe to it, then I feel sorry for the works of thousands of our scientists and designers. I thought the sale went off for nothing. But no Rogozin burns;) recently, several years ago, several designers were put in prison for espionage in favor of China. And then how did the loot pass ... Oh, effective, you have no conscience, dear ones. They themselves can’t do anything, only for the dorm and in their wallet ... As if they would carry away with them ... Naive enemies
    1. Bath
      Bath April 19 2016 16: 32
      0
      well, what are they de bi li they are scouts almost everything but there is a nuance they are not our scouts
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 19 2016 14: 06
    0
    The technology needed is undeniable. You can sell engines. . without technology. There was an article earlier that we will master the technology of microcircuits and equipment for satellites within 4-5 years. The work is underway.
  27. karakuin
    karakuin April 19 2016 14: 15
    +2
    My native Vladivostok is a city - a fortress - the most powerful fortress in the world. 400sq. km of defensive structures. Including: underground factories for the production of ammunition, powder magazines, underground stores of provisions, coastal half-caponiers, coastal batteries, rangefinder pavilions, earthen structures, reinforced concrete letters and of course forts. All this has been plundered by the military. Armored doors, anti-bullet clothing of under-diving galleries, armored pereskopnye and machine-gun booths and even forged brackets - all the military handed over to scrap metal in order to get some dough. And we have nowhere to retreat, we have no Masqueva behind. So we will quarrel with China, as with Ukraine, and we will have to fight to the death with our sons and grandchildren, completely surrounded to the last patron. There is no hope for help from Russia. And so during the time of developed capitalism, half of the indigenous Russian-speaking population remained in Primorye. No one here has any illusions about state support. Young and old engineers are unemployed. We are interrupted by odd jobs. The construction has gone down - construction and survey organizations are closed, etc. etc. Even the only football team "Luch" is not given a salary for 5 months. For some reason, it seems that the engines will merge with the Chinese and the technologies will also be sold to Primorye. The trend is evident. Sorry for the verbosity - it's boiling.
  28. anna_anna
    anna_anna April 19 2016 14: 34
    0
    We can handle it ourselves ..... I hope that there is no Roskosmos ....
  29. starhina01
    starhina01 April 19 2016 14: 49
    0
    a legitimate question arises ...
    and where is she looking at her, what then was the Bob’s runoff given to her, what do the Chinese offer technology?
  30. Mercenary
    Mercenary April 19 2016 15: 05
    +1
    What do the Chinese at a standstill need to tear new technologies? Already once with a hunchback they gave all the achievements to the amers at manned stations. Have you really taught your mistakes? Enough to feed the Chinese, the time will come and Turkish pranks will seem childish pranks compared to China!
  31. Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind April 19 2016 15: 54
    0
    Pin_dos are cunning, through the Chinese they decided to buy engine manufacturing technologies.
  32. varov14
    varov14 April 19 2016 16: 05
    +1
    We change the watch to cowards. It’s better to hide alone and build factories for the production of the necessary elemental base yourself. In the meantime, around the world bypassing Chinese friends with their requests.
  33. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 19 2016 17: 33
    +1
    The islands on the Amur were given away, the lands on the Far East pr - are distributed to the liberals to the Chinese, spacesuits and their manufacturing technologies were sold for next to nothing, oil, gas and electricity. energy to China at half the price, and the tariffs for housing and communal services to their people only go up. Since such conversations have begun, it means that it will also be merged for kickbacks. Well, "effective" cannot do otherwise. Loot - everything, the interests of the country and the people - nothing.
  34. Cobra77
    Cobra77 April 19 2016 20: 26
    +4
    This is not just an unequal exchange, it is generally a one-sided game. Radiation-hardened electronics is not the most complex technology. And although in 25 years we "have ... or all polymers" it is not very difficult to catch up. Unlike rocket engines. The last thing to do is sell or give technology to the Chinese. Although we are fellow travelers at the moment, but this is temporary, what will happen in 10-15 years, no one knows. Especially considering that China's ambitions and opportunities are growing, and in fact, the United States is the only constraining factor for them.
  35. avia1991
    avia1991 April 19 2016 22: 00
    0
    According to the source, this exchange is not equivalent.
    That's it! And from this we must proceed when making a decision! And then Rogozin, in a desire to demonstrate his significance, already ceases to think with his head!
    "You give us your new technologies, and we will use your old ones under the guise of our new ones." Well done, narrow-eyed, you will not say anything!
  36. Platonich
    Platonich April 20 2016 04: 42
    0
    China is a delicate and very tricky business, and I would say very smart! In no case should you enter into such deals!