Military Review

Yugoslav operation

86
Yugoslav operation

75 years ago, the Third Reich defeated Yugoslavia and Greece. 13 April 1941 The Nazis entered Belgrade. King Peter II and the Yugoslav government fled to Greece and then to Egypt. 17 on April 1941 in Belgrade signed an act of unconditional surrender. Yugoslavia collapsed. Almost simultaneously Greece fell. April 23 was signed by the surrender of the Greek army. On the same day, the Greek government and the king fled to Crete, and then to Egypt, under the protection of the British. 27 April Germans entered Athens. By June 1 the Nazis captured and Crete.


Invasion plan

Hitler, remembering the experience of the First World War, feared a new landing of the British army in Thessaloniki or on the southern coast of Thrace: then the British would be in the rear of Army Group South during its advance to the east, in southern Russia. Hitler proceeded from the assumption that the British would once again try to advance into the Balkans, and remembered that the actions of the Allied armies in the Balkans at the end of World War I had substantially contributed to their victory. Therefore, as a precautionary measure, he decided to end Yugoslavia and Greece before starting action against Russia.

The invasion was supposed to be carried out by applying simultaneous strikes from the territory of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria in converging directions to Skopje, Belgrade and Zagreb in order to dismember the Yugoslav army and destroy it in parts. The task was to seize primarily the southern part of Yugoslavia in order to prevent the establishment of interaction between the armies of Yugoslavia and Greece, to unite with the Italian troops in Albania and to use the southern regions of Yugoslavia as a springboard for the subsequent German-Italian attack on Greece. The German air force had to strike at Belgrade, the Serbian airfields, paralyze traffic on the railways and thereby disrupt the mobilization of the Yugoslav troops. Against Greece, it was planned to deliver the main attack in the direction of Thessaloniki, with the subsequent advancement into the area of ​​Olympus. Italy struck from Albania.

The 2nd Weichs army, the 12th Liszt army (he also led the operations) and the 1st tank Kleist group. The 12th Army was concentrated on the territory of Bulgaria and Romania. It was significantly strengthened: its composition was brought up to 19 divisions (including 5 armored divisions). The 2nd Army, consisting of 9 divisions (including 2 Panzer), was concentrated in southeastern Austria and western Hungary. Four divisions were allocated to the reserve (including 4 tank divisions). For aviation Support was attracted by the 4th air fleet of A. Löhr and the 8th air corps, which totaled together about 1200 combat and transport aircraft. The general command of a group of German troops aimed at Yugoslavia and Greece was entrusted to Field Marshal Wilhelm Liszt.

30 March 1941, the Wehrmacht ground forces commanded the troops. The 12 Army had to attack the Strumitsa (Yugoslavia) and Thessaloniki forces, with one case strike in the direction of Skopje, Veles (Yugoslavia), and the right flank to attack the Niš-Belgrade direction. The 2 Army was tasked with mastering Zagreb and developing an offensive in the direction of Belgrade. The fighting against Yugoslavia and Greece provided for the launch of 6 on April 1941, with a massive air raid on Belgrade and an offensive by the forces of the left wing and the center of the 12 Army.

The operation of the Third Reich attracted significant Allied forces. Italy allocated 43 divisions for the invasion: 24 of them were intended for operations against Yugoslavia (9 was deployed on the Albanian-Yugoslav border, 15 in Istria and Dalmatia). The command of the Wehrmacht was generally low opinion of the combat capability of the Italian army, so only auxiliary tasks were assigned to it. At the beginning of the war, the Italian troops were to firmly hold the defense in Albania and thereby contribute to the offensive of the German 2. After the German forces were combined with the Italian forces, their joint offensive against Greece was envisaged.

Hungary, after brief doubts, also agreed to participate in the aggression against Yugoslavia. After the negotiations of General Friedrich Paulus with the head of the Hungarian general staff H. Vert, which began on March 30, an agreement was signed, according to which Hungary assigned 10 brigades (approximately 5 divisions) to aggression against Yugoslavia. Hungarian troops were to launch the 14 attack on April 1941.

Romania, the command of the Wehrmacht assigned the role of the barrier against the USSR. On the Romanian territory both ground forces and aviation were deployed, providing support for the actions of the German troops in the Balkans. The territory of Romania was used as a springboard for the German Air Force. The Bulgarian government openly entered the war was frightened. However, Sofia provided its territory for the deployment of German troops. At the request of Berlin, Bulgaria pulled the bulk of its army, reinforced by German tank units, to the borders of Turkey. These forces became the rear cover for the German troops leading the fighting in Yugoslavia and Greece.

The coordination of the actions of the states whose armed forces opposed Greece and Yugoslavia was carried out in accordance with the directive No. 3 “Cooperation with the Allies in the Balkans” signed by Hitler on 1941 on April 26. Thus, for the aggression in the Balkans, the Third Reich with the Allies allocated over 80 divisions (of which German 32, more Italian 40 and the rest - Hungarian), more than 2 thousand aircraft and up to 2 thousand tanks.



Defense status of Yugoslavia

While Yugoslavia was threatened with a military invasion, Belgrade was slow to take decisive measures to mobilize the country. The operational plans developed by the Yugoslav General Staff lagged behind the rapidly changing environment. The last military plan “R-41 plan”, developed in February 1941, envisaged the defense of the border more than 3 thousand kilometers and the organization of an offensive operation against the Italian troops in Albania in cooperation with the Greeks. If necessary, a general retreat to the south, to Greece, was envisaged in order to organize here defense along the lines of the Thessaloniki front during the First World War. The offensive in Albania was aimed at strengthening the strategic defense and ensuring the withdrawal of the main forces in a southerly direction. However, after the appearance of the German army in Bulgaria in March 1941, this plan no longer corresponded to the strategic situation. Now the Yugoslav army could not retreat to Salonika.

After the coup d'état, the danger of the German invasion increased sharply and the Yugoslav General Staff offered to immediately begin mobilization. However, the government rejected this sensible proposal, citing the need to continue negotiations with Germany. Belgrade was still hoping to maintain neutrality and peace with Berlin. Only 30 March 1941 was announced that the first day of the hidden mobilization will be 3 April. As a result, 7 days were lost, during which the Yugoslav command could complete the mobilization and strategic deployment of troops. This led to the fact that the war found the Yugoslav army in the stage of strategic deployment. None of the headquarters (from the headquarters of the division to the headquarters of the High Command) completed the mobilization. In the same condition was the majority of the formations and units of all the armed forces.

The ground forces of Yugoslavia consisted of three groups of the army and the Primorsky army district, guarding the coast. The troops of the 5 and 3 armies, which were part of the 3 army group, deployed along the northern border of Albania. Between the Iron Gates and the River Drava were the troops of the 2 group of armies - 6-I, 1-I and 2-i armies. Further to the west, the 1 group of armies was deployed, which included the 4 and 7 armies.

The number of the Yugoslav army to the start of hostilities is determined in 1,2 million. The existing 28 infantry and 3 cavalry divisions, 32 individual regiments were not fully mobilized (had 70-90% of wartime staff). Only 11 divisions were located in those areas where they had to be on the defensive plan. The Yugoslav army was technically poorly equipped. The artillery park consisted of obsolete samples and mounted on horseback. There was a shortage of anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns. Mechanization of the army was in the initial stage. There were no motorized units, tank units were represented only by two battalions. In the army there were only 110 obsolete tanks. Aviation had 416 aircraft of French, Italian, English and German production, but only half met modern requirements. Weak was the engineering support of troops and communications.

Yugoslav intelligence fairly timely provided the government and command with information about the threat of enemy invasion, plans and terms of aggression, the concentration and direction of actions of German troops. However, the Yugoslav military-political leadership reacted to this information with a great delay. The General Staff only sent the army commander on March 31 and fleet directives requiring the implementation of the R-41 plan. On April 4, additional instructions were sent to the commanders to pull the troops to the borders.

Thus, by the beginning of the war, the Yugoslav armed forces did not complete the mobilization, deployment, the country's defense plan did not correspond to the real situation. The army was technically poorly equipped. There was a strong “fifth column” in the rear (Croatian nationalists, etc.). The military-political leadership was indecisive and was not determined to fight to the end.

Greece

The Greek army was also in a difficult situation. The war with Italy depleted the country's strategic reserves. The bulk of the Greek army was shackled by Italy: 15 infantry divisions - the army "Epirus" and "Western Macedonia", were located on the Italian-Greek front in Albania. The appearance of German troops in Bulgaria and their entry into the Greek border in March 1941 put the Greek command in front of the difficult task of organizing defense in a new direction. At first, the entire 6 divisions could be transferred to the border with Bulgaria.

The arrival of the British Expeditionary Corps from Egypt by the end of March, which had two infantry divisions (the New Zealand 2 Division, the Australian 6 Division), the British 1 Armored Brigade and nine air squadrons, could not significantly change the situation. These forces were not enough to seriously change the strategic situation.

Given the new situation, the Greek command hastily formed two new armies: "Eastern Macedonia" (three infantry divisions and one infantry brigade), which relied on the strengthening of the Metaxas line along the border with Bulgaria; "Central Macedonia" (three infantry divisions and the English Expeditionary Force), which, using a mountain range, occupied the defense from Olympus to Kaimakchalan. However, these armies did not have operational-tactical communications and could be easily cut off both from each other and from troops concentrated on the Albanian front. The Greek command did not have strategic reserves to close the possible gap. Now the Greeks were waiting for strikes from Albania and Bulgaria, and did not assume that the enemy would act through the territory of Yugoslavia.

In addition, there was a split in the Greek military-political leadership. The threat of a German attack intensified defeatism among the Greek generals. At the beginning of March 1941, the command of the army "Epirus" brought to the attention of the government that it considers the war with the Germans unpromising, and demanded to begin diplomatic negotiations with Germany. In response, the government changed the leadership of the Epirus army, appointed a new army commander and new corps commanders. However, these measures did not succeed in achieving a change in the moods of the top commanders of the Greek army.

It is also worth noting that it was not possible to achieve organization of interaction between the armed forces of Yugoslavia, Greece and England. Britain was not going to provide significant assistance to Greece and Yugoslavia. March 31 - April 3 held talks with the military leadership of Greece, Yugoslavia and England. However, due to the fear of the Yugoslav and Greek authorities, it was not possible to aggravate relations with Germany and limited assistance from England to the agreement on the interaction of the Yugoslav army with the Greek-British forces.


Messerschmitt Bf.109E-7 fighters from the 10 squadron of the 27 th Luftwaffe squadron and Messerschmitt Bf.108B "Typhoon" connected aircraft at the airfield during the Balkan campaign

German Junkers U-87 dive bomber from the 2 group of the 1 th dive bomber squadron flying accompanied by the Italian fighter Fiat G.50 "Freccia"

Invasion. Defeat of Yugoslavia

The invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece by the German forces on the night of April 6 was carried out according to the scheme they used in the 1939 and 1940 campaigns. The main forces of the 4 air fleet suddenly attacked airfields in the areas of Skopje, Kumanovo, Niš, Zagreb, Ljubljana. A massive air strike was inflicted on Belgrade. The main goal was the center of the city, where the most important state institutions were located. German aviation bombed communications centers, railways and communications. The tank and infantry divisions of the 12 of the German army simultaneously crossed the Bulgarian-Yugoslav border in three sectors.

The Yugoslav military-political leadership had to immediately make the main decision: either to defend the whole country, or to retreat to the south, to the mountains, with the prospect of retreat to Greece. The second option was more profitable from a military-strategic point of view, but it was hard to accept from the political and moral side. During the retreat, we would have to leave Croatia and Slovenia, Belgrade and other important centers, so the Yugoslavs accepted the first option. Given the situation, it was a losing option.

The fighting against Yugoslavia took place in two stages. The task of the Wehrmacht at the first stage was to split the 3 th Yugoslav army within two days and to ensure the freedom of the operational maneuver for the troops that acted against Greece. Therefore, initially the main hostilities unfolded in Macedonia. The 40 th mechanized corps of the 12 th army launched a rapid offensive in two directions: two divisions on Kumanovo, Skopje, and one division on Shtip, Veles. At the same time, the 2-I tank division of the 18 corps was advancing along the Strummilitsa river valley in order to bypass the north of Lake Dojran and reach the rear of the Greek fortified line.

German troops in Macedonia did not have a numerical advantage over the Yugoslav ones. But they had complete superiority in armored vehicles and aircraft. 500 German tanks could oppose only about 30 anti-tank guns. Air cover was practically absent. German aviation dominated the air and actively supported the advancing ground forces. Not surprisingly, already during the first day of the offensive, the Germans advanced 30-50 km. Despite the stubborn resistance of some parts, by the end of the second day of the war, the Yugoslav troops in Macedonia were defeated. 7 April, the Nazis captured Skopje and Shtip.

Thus, the control of the Yugoslav troops in the south of the country was disrupted. Cutting the main communications between Yugoslavia and Greece, the Germans thwarted the main strategic plan of the Yugoslav plan - the withdrawal of troops to the south in order to connect with the Greeks and the British. Already, the Wehrmacht reached 10 on April in Albania, creating the conditions for the final defeat of Yugoslavia and the turn of some forces against Greece. The isolation of Yugoslavia from Greece was a major success of the German command. In addition, now the offensive of the Yugoslav troops against the Italians of Albania has become meaningless.


Tankmen 11-th tank division of the Wehrmacht on vacation

Parts of the 14 th motorized corps in the Serbian city of Niš

During this phase, the 2-I German army completed the deployment and was limited to conducting small-scale hostilities. The 8 of April from the area west of Sofia in the direction of Nis was attacked by the 1-I tank group (5 divisions - 2 tank, 1 motorized, 1 mountain and 1 infantry). The 5 th Yugoslav Army held the defense in this sector as part of the 5 divisions, which were stretched along the 400-kilometer front along the border with Bulgaria. Reserves of the Yugoslav command was not. In fact, the strike of the whole German tank group fell on one Yugoslav division. It is clear that the Yugoslavs had no chance to resist. The Yugoslav division was defeated and the German troops almost quietly rushed inland. The German mechanized forces advanced in three days almost 200 km and captured Nis, Aleksinats, Parachin and Yagodina. After the capture of Nis, the 11-I tank division went to Belgrade, and the 5-I tank moved in the direction of Greece. Thus, German troops broke through the front, cut off the 5 th Yugoslav army, went to the rear of the 6 army and created a threat to Belgrade from the south.

At the same time, the “fifth column” and the defeatists became more active in Yugoslavia. Croatian nationalists stood out in particular. At the end of March 1941, an authorized SS standardtandführer Wesenmeier arrived in Yugoslavia. Under his dictation, one of the leaders of the Croatian Nazis (Ustashe) Kvaternik wrote a declaration on the creation of an "independent state of Croatia." On April 10, when German tanks rushed to Zagreb, the nationalists developed fierce propaganda, demanding "independence." The Croatian Peasant Party and its leader Machek appealed to the Croatian people to submit to the “new government”. It was a direct betrayal of the country.

The activity of the top of the Slovenian clerical party in Drava banovina (Slovenia) was a traitorous one. Under the leadership of the ban (governor) 6 April, a national council was organized here, which included representatives of Slovenian parties. The Council planned to surrender Slovenia without a fight. The Slovenian Legion, established in Slovenia, began to disarm the Yugoslav army. On April 9, the Yugoslav High Command ordered the arrest of this “government”. However, the Chief of Staff of the 1 Army Group, General Rupnik, did not comply.

The betrayal of the leaders of the Croatian and Slovenian parties demoralized the command of the 1 and 2 groups of armies that operated in the western regions of Yugoslavia. Many units and units lost their combat capability, especially in the 4 and 2 armies. Moreover, in the Yugoslav army, clashes began between Croat servicemen and Serb soldiers. The link of the Yugoslav High Command with the troops of the 1 group was interrupted. Thus, the betrayal of the nationalist and defeatist circles facilitated the capture of the northwestern part of Yugoslavia by the Germans.

On April 10, having completed concentration, and having waited for the Yugoslav army to lose its ability to retreat to the south, the main forces of the 2 German army launched an offensive. The second stage of the Yugoslav operation began, the goal of which was the complete capture of Yugoslavia and the unification with the Italian army. By the end of April 10, German troops captured Zagreb - one of the most important political and economic centers of the country. After five days of fighting, the resistance of the Yugoslav troops in the territory of Croatia and Slovenia was broken. 1-I army group has ceased to exist. A number of units and formations of the 2 group of armies and the Primorsky army district disintegrated without engaging in combat. On the evening of April 10, the Yugoslav High Command issued a directive on the retreat of troops to Southern Serbia, Herzegovina and Montenegro to occupy all-round defense there. Since that time, the centralized command of the troops almost collapsed. The army was demoralized, many soldiers simply fled to their homes.

April 11 German troops, continuing a rapid offensive on all fronts, joined the Italians in southern Serbia. At the same time, the Hungarian troops launched an offensive. The governor of Hungary, Horthy, declared that Yugoslavia, after the formation of an “independent Croatia,” split into two parts. He justified the entry of Hungary into the war by the need to protect the Hungarian population in Vojvodina. 12 April Italian troops captured Ljubljana, Debar and Ohrid. April 13 German troops, without meeting resistance, entered Belgrade, and the Hungarian - in Novi Sad. The forces of both German assault forces, advancing from the southeast and northwest, united in the Belgrade area.

On April 13, a meeting of the Yugoslav government was held in Pale, near Sarajevo, at which it was decided to request an armistice from Germany and Italy. On the same day, the Yugoslav government ordered the army to lay down weapon. King Peter II and his ministers left the country, having flown to Egypt, and from there to Egypt. 17 April 1941. Former Foreign Minister A. Tsintsar-Markovic and General R. Jankovic signed an act of unconditional surrender to the Yugoslav Army. In accordance with the document, all military personnel of the Yugoslav army who continued to resist after 12 hours 18 on April 1941, were subject to the death penalty. On the same day, the Italian troops took Dubrovnik.


Two Italian officers inspect captured Yugoslav 47-mm guns of Czech production. In the center of the photo is Brandt's 81-mm mortars

Italian soldiers armed with 6,5-mm carbines Moschetto per Cavalleria M1891 (Carcano) in truck during the parade in Belgrade

Italian soldiers in the Italian city

Column of the Italian Bersaliers in the street of the Yugoslav city

Results

Yugoslav government 18 April 1941 moved from Athens to the Middle East, and later moved from Cairo to London. 15 April 1941, when the king fled the country, at a meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPU) in Zagreb, a decision was made to prepare an armed uprising and start a guerrilla war. A Military Committee was formed, headed by the Secretary General of the CPU, Josip Broz Tito. The communists called to fight not only with the German occupiers, but also with the Croatian fascists.

During the campaign, German troops lost 151 troops to the dead, 14 missing, 392 wounded. Losses of Italian troops - 3324 people killed and wounded. Hungarian losses - 120 killed, 223 injured and 13 missing. Losses of the Yugoslav army - about 5 thousand people killed. During the fighting, German troops captured 225,5 thousand Yugoslav soldiers, after the surrender, the total number of capitulations, captured and surrendered to Germans by Yugoslav soldiers increased to 345 thousand. 30 thousand more. Yugoslav soldiers were captured by Italian troops. As a result, the total number of captured Yugoslav soldiers amounted to 375 thousand people. A significant number of them — the Germans living in Yugoslavia — Volksdeutsche, Hungarians, Croats, and Macedonians — were released some time later.

21-22 April 1941. At a meeting of the foreign ministers of Germany and Italy in Vienna, the partition of Yugoslavia was carried out. Following the decision of the representatives of Germany, Italy, Bulgaria and Hungary, Yugoslavia ceased to exist. Three state protectorates were formed on the site of the kingdom: Independent State of Croatia, Nedichevo Serbia and the Kingdom of Montenegro. De facto, the power in these protectorates belonged to the protesters of the countries of the axis bloc: Germany, Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria. The independent state of Croatia (NGH) was under the occupation of German and Italian troops. At the same time, the NGH territory was divided in half into German (northeastern) and Italian (south-western) spheres of military control.

Italy received significant territory. Italians got the province of Ljubljana. A significant part of the Yugoslav coast became part of the governorship of Dalmatia established on the basis of the Italian province of Zara, which included the lands of Dalmatia, the coast of the Adriatic Sea and the Bay of Kotor. Croatia ceded Italy a number of islands. Italy also captured Montenegro, most of Kosovo and Metohija and the western regions of Vardar Macedonia.

Germany established its control over the overwhelming part of Serbia proper, with the addition of certain areas in the north of Kosovo and Metohija, rich in deposits of zinc and tin, and over the Yugoslav Banat, which constituted the eastern half of Vojvodina. The remaining territories of Serbia were transformed into a puppet state of Serbia, led by the former general of the royal army, Milan Nedić (Nedichevo Serbia). Germany also included in its administrative system the northern (most) part of Slovenia, mainly the Upper and Lower Styria, with the addition of certain adjacent areas.

The north-western part of Vojvodina (Backa and Baranja), the adjacent region of Slavonia north of Osijek, as well as the overwhelming part of Prekmurje, were ceded to Hungary. It was also established the Hungarian occupation administration in Medzhumurye. Bulgaria received most of Vardar Macedonia, as well as some areas in the south-east of Serbia proper and in Kosovo and Metohija.


Yugoslav prisoners

A column of Yugoslav prisoners on a march along a mountain road
Author:
Articles from this series:
1941 Campaign

How defeated Yugoslavia and Greece
86 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. parusnik
    parusnik April 19 2016 06: 43
    +8
    At the same time, the “fifth column” and the defeatists intensified in Yugoslavia..Where without them ...
  2. crasever
    crasever April 19 2016 06: 47
    +10
    And 44 years after the Victory over Hitler’s evil spirits, over Belgrade, German combat aircraft again appeared with crosses on their wings ...
  3. bionik
    bionik April 19 2016 07: 07
    +7
    Belgrade residents protesting after the accession of Yugoslavia to the Axis countries. On March 25, 1941, the Yugoslav delegation signed a protocol in Vienna on the accession of Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact. When this became known, Yugoslavia was seized by mass demonstrations under the slogan “Better war than pact!”. On the night of March 26-27, a group of senior Yugoslav army officers closely associated with London carried out a military coup. The new government refused to join the Tripartite Pact, which served as the occasion for Hitler's order to attack Yugoslavia.
  4. qwert
    qwert April 19 2016 07: 07
    +11
    And then the Yugoslav partisans spoiled a lot of blood to the Nazis. These are not Poles and not French. But after the war, English historians mixed the Serbs with mud anyway, calling the partisans bandits and accomplices of the Germans. Such a story and such a propaganda with black PR in Anglo-Saxon.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 19 2016 08: 34
      +13
      Few people know, but the British, together with the Germans, fought against the Greek partisans and for more than a month fought in Athens, destroying most of the city. Now, these events are "taboo" - there is no mention of this in Greek museums, etc. Here is a link to these events, read to anyone interested:
      http://hiswar.net/wars-and-battles/107-sovmestnaya-borba-anglichan-i-natsistov
      1. alpamys
        alpamys April 19 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Few people know, but the British, together with the Germans, fought against the Greek partisans and for more than a month fought in Athens, destroying most of the city. Now, these events are "taboo" - there is no mention of this in Greek museums, etc. Here is a link to these events, read to anyone interested:
        http://hiswar.net/wars-and-battles/107-sovmestnaya-borba-anglichan-i-natsistov

        My neighbor's grandfather fought there in "Edelweiss" I will ask him about it the other day.
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS April 19 2016 16: 18
          0
          Quote: alpamys
          I'll ask him about it the other day.

          If you do not mind, publish. The testimony of eyewitnesses is always interesting. (Despite the proverb - "He lies as an eyewitness") It is the analysis of the testimony of various parties that allows one to feel the contours of the true background of the events.
          1. alpamys
            alpamys April 19 2016 17: 39
            +5
            Quote: fennekRUS
            Quote: alpamys
            I'll ask him about it the other day.

            If you do not mind, publish. The testimony of eyewitnesses is always interesting. (Despite the proverb - "He lies as an eyewitness") It is the analysis of the testimony of various parties that allows one to feel the contours of the true background of the events.

            what personally interested me from his stories is that after the war, he and several of his comrades decided to go to the places of fighting in Greece by tourists, taking a bus from one of the cities, the driver began to tell the tourists how the Germans went wild and unhinged the inhabitants before leaving the city , the grandfather and his comrades could not stand it, stopped the bus and said that it was they who were the last of the Germans who left this city and there were no executions or atrocities, made the driver apologize to everyone (tourists and them), and when he declared That tells visitors what nakazlo guide, they all seated in the bus drove on it to the city mayor, who was also forced to apologize for lying. Well, I’ll add that my grandfather fiercely hates Amers, he grit that it was necessary to unite with the Russians and to cap all the Caudle west of the Rhine.
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS April 19 2016 21: 25
              0
              Quote: alpamys
              team up with the Russians and slap all the kodlu west of the Rhine.

              needed until the 39th laughing because really, the whole world would be bent) maybe wink I once wrote a long-standing union state with an axis of Germany-Russia, which would have given not weak results in 30 years. We are not so different with "Hans", as they say in the newspapers) And if you open schnapps ... laughing
              1. Pancho
                Pancho April 19 2016 22: 31
                -1
                Quote: fennekRUS
                We are not so different with "Hans", as they say in the newspapers

                Well, like, we had our own plan "Ost", so what? When you write, think first.
                1. fennekRUS
                  fennekRUS April 20 2016 07: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Pancho
                  When you write, think first.

                  when you read, read carefully. it was about mentality
                  What is a footnote about schnapps written for? He worked with the Germans, talked "informally" Normal guys. It is much more difficult to find mutual understanding with the French or Chinese. So the union is quite possible, there are no insoluble contradictions between us. I hope I have cleared up the misunderstanding.
                  1. alpamys
                    alpamys April 20 2016 10: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: fennekRUS
                    Quote: Pancho
                    When you write, think first.

                    when you read, read carefully. it was about mentality
                    What is a footnote about schnapps written for? He worked with the Germans, talked "informally" Normal guys. It is much more difficult to find mutual understanding with the French or Chinese. So the union is quite possible, there are no insoluble contradictions between us. I hope I have cleared up the misunderstanding.

                    "Take punctuality from the German and he will get Russian" also concluded for himself that the mentality is very similar, for example, Italians and French are completely different.
      2. Turkir
        Turkir April 23 2016 10: 58
        0
        Thanks for the interesting link. I did not know about this moment in history.
  5. baudolino
    baudolino April 19 2016 08: 29
    +4
    Reading about Hitler's European successes, I never cease to wonder why he was carried to the USSR? After all, he knew about Napoleon. And if I had read Pushkin with the "queen of the sea" ...
    1. Leto
      Leto April 19 2016 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: baudolino
      Reading about Hitler’s European successes, I never cease to wonder why he suffered in the USSR?

      To this question, official history refers to the MK and the desire of German Nazism to spread eastward. This is a rather shaky version because by 22.06.1941/1941/XNUMX. Germany was unable to "digest" even what it managed to capture in Europe. Germany failed to capture Gibraltar! But free access to the Mediterranean Sea allowed the British and allies to drive the Germans and Italians out of Africa and withdraw Italy from the war! What could be more important than Gibraltar in XNUMX?
      1. goose
        goose April 19 2016 15: 11
        +1
        Quote: Leto
        But free access to the Mediterranean Sea allowed the British and allies to drive the Germans and Italians out of Africa and take Italy out of the war! What could be more important than Gibraltar in 1941?

        More important than Gibraltar was the complete lack of talent of the Italian command. Only due to the exceptional stupidity and unwillingness to fight the Italians did they lose the war for the Mediterranean Sea and did not capture Malta with Gibraltar. For just one organization of convoys to Africa, all of them had to be shot in 1941-42 and the German headquarters would be set up.
        1. Leto
          Leto April 19 2016 15: 18
          0
          Quote: goose
          More important than Gibraltar was the complete lack of talent of the Italian command.

          As far as I remember, Hitler on the Duce didn’t particularly count on such matters; there was an opportunity to enter from land via Spain, the British did not have air cover and the fate of the garrison would be decided. If not immediately, but would not have lasted long.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 19 2016 18: 21
            0
            Quote: Leto
            to enter from land via Spain was an opportunity,

            Did not have. Franco was implicitly opposed - for the entry of German troops deprived him of food supplies from America. Its agricultural Spain was destroyed by the recently ended Civil. But the Germans didn’t have food at all: in 1941, rations were already cut down and the grain of the occupied USSR territories planned for requisition was included in the food balance of the Reich (moreover, total requisition was planned, which would lead to the extinction of the urban population of the USSR from starvation).
            And without Franco’s consent to send troops ... Hitler remembered the fate of Napoleonic troops in Spain.
          2. Follow us
            Follow us April 19 2016 23: 01
            0
            Keitel writes in his memoirs that Franco did not send German troops through the territory of Spain to Gibraltar.
            "... A few days later, Canaris returned and reported to the Fuehrer, who personally entrusted him with this mission and instructed him that Franco refused to cooperate with them, indicating that such a serious violation of neutrality could lead to Britain declaring war on Spain. The Fuehrer silently listened to him, and then said that in this case he was forced to abandon this idea, because he was not attracted by the alternative of transferring his troops through the territory of Spain forcibly, which would force Franco to publicly express his indignation about this. He was afraid that this could lead to the emergence of a new theater of hostilities, and Britain has good reason to land troops in Spain, perhaps through Lisbon, as happened in Norway ... "
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 19 2016 18: 17
          0
          Quote: goose
          For just one organization of convoys to Africa, all of them had to be shot in 1941-42 and the German headquarters would be set up.

          Heh heh heh ... if you open the annexes to Braghadin, it suddenly turns out that Supermarina delivered Rommel 1500–2500 tons of supplies per day. Let me remind you. that the 300 thousandth 6 A Paulus in Stalingrad needed 1000 tons daily.

          Rommel himself is to blame for the problems of supplying Rommel, who did not solve one of the commander's most important tasks - organizing the supply. Recall his initiative to seize cars from backlash - after which the supply of advanced units deteriorated even more due to the fact that the backlash ceased to cover the columns from the air force of the Desert.
        3. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS April 19 2016 21: 28
          0
          Quote: goose
          and put the German headquarters.

          Well, Rommel not weakly "amused" the allies throughout North Africa without any headquarters
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 19 2016 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: Leto
        What could be more important than Gibraltar in 1941?

        After Italy entered the war, Gibraltar did not decide anything - the through communication on Mediterranean was interrupted until 1943. The army in Egypt was supplied around Africa. And "Torch" could be carried out from the Atlantic coast.

        For the Germans, it was important to knock Britain out of the war quickly and completely - rather than biting off pieces from it on the periphery. And for some reason they believed that the USSR was the last hope of the British on the continent (like Russia in WWI). And if you knock out the USSR, then Britain will immediately surrender.
        For some reason, the Germans did not pay attention to the practically open supply of the British from the USA and the direct military intervention of the Americans in European affairs in violation of all norms of world law.
    2. npzh
      npzh April 19 2016 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: baudolino
      Reading about Hitler’s European successes, I never cease to wonder why he suffered in the USSR?


      The reasons were - 1) political and ideological, 2) military and strategic, 3) economic.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 19 2016 13: 39
        0
        The main idea of ​​the fix for the Fuhrer was the defeat of Great Britain. After losing the "Battle of Britain" and without a strong fleet to make it possible to cross the English Channel or even to cut off the supply routes from the colonies, Germany decided to reach these colonies by land. And the path lay through the territory of the USSR. At the same time, the German leadership understood that sooner or later it would have to clash with the USSR in the struggle for world domination. The seizure of our territories simultaneously solved a number of problems. In fact, the mistake was repeated by Napoleon, who considered Russia an easier prey than Britain.
        1. Leto
          Leto April 19 2016 15: 24
          +2
          Quote: Verdun
          Germany decided to get to these colonies by land.

          Are you seriously? The Germans have at hand the whole of North Africa, the Middle East, but did they need Afghanistan? It was enough for Hitler to capture Gibraltar and the whole Mediterranean would be in his hands, and there the Suez Canal and the exit to India to which the British would have to get around Africa. Why the hell would the USSR be needed with its uncomfortable climate, if the richest lands are at hand with summer all year round?
          1. Verdun
            Verdun April 19 2016 16: 08
            0
            That is why the British fiercely fought for Gibraltar. The British fleet was incomparably more powerful than the German and allowed to do so. Hitler did not have to seriously count on Italy with its fleet, as further events showed. If the Germans had everything as they expected. and by the fall of the USSR capitulated, the road opened not only to the Middle East, but also to India. From the point of view of the inhabitants of Russia, such an idea looks too optimistic, if not to say otherwise. But after all, Charles XII invading Russia dreamed of getting to India.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 19 2016 18: 25
          +1
          Quote: Verdun
          After losing the "Battle of Britain" and without a strong fleet to make it possible to cross the English Channel or even to cut off the supply routes from the colonies, Germany decided to reach these colonies by land. And the path lay through the territory of the USSR.

          It wasn't about the colonies. For some reason, the USSR was considered by the Germans to be Britain's last hope and, at the same time, a threat to the Reich (it was believed that limes could again sign a "Russian steam roller" for themselves). Therefore, the defeat of the USSR was needed by the Germans not by itself, but to force Britain to surrender.
    3. The comment was deleted.
  6. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 19 2016 09: 04
    +5
    "This led to the fact that the war found the Yugoslav army in the stage of strategic deployment ... ... The invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece was undertaken by German troops on the night of April 6 according to the scheme they used in the campaigns of 1939 and 1940. Main forces 4 air fleet suddenly attacked airfields in the areas of Skopje, Kumanovo, Niš, Zagreb, Ljubljana ...

    Very reminded of the situation with the USSR in 1941. And the Germans are adherents of the patterns.
  7. Rastas
    Rastas April 19 2016 10: 23
    0
    The partisan or people's liberation army of Josip Broz Tito became the force that consolidated the peoples of Yugoslavia in the struggle against the invaders. And put forward a program of social reconstruction and the construction of Yugoslavia on a new basis.
    1. creak
      creak April 19 2016 11: 09
      +5
      Quote: Rastas

      The partisan or people's liberation army of Josip Broz Tito became the force that consolidated the peoples of Yugoslavia in the struggle against the invaders.


      To complete the picture, it should be added that not all the population of Yugoslavia came forward as a united front against the invaders.
      For example, the Croats (Catholics), headed by A. Pavelich (their armed groups, the so-called Ustashi), actively supported the Germans and fought against the Tito partisans, mercilessly destroying even civilians (mainly Serbs)
      There were also armed Serbian groups calling themselves Chetniks, who opposed the German occupation, but did not want to unite with Tito ...
      The ambiguous position was also taken by Bosnian Muslims ...
      So not everything was so simple, long-standing ethnic and religious contradictions affected, which later turned into bloody conflicts after the death of Tito and the subsequent collapse of Yugoslavia.
      1. Rastas
        Rastas April 19 2016 11: 44
        +5
        It is clear that not the whole population. Only by 1943, so many Croatian householders and Chetniks passed to the Tito partisans, the population supported them, because where they entered, ethnic cleansing ended. And most importantly - the slogans of social equality and unity of nations were put forward. Such an episode: Once Tito spoke on the Fochi square in front of volunteers who recently joined the partisans. Suddenly, the Chetniks settled in the mountains opened fire on the partisans. Tito remained completely calm. “These Chetniks who shoot at us will join us in a year,” he said. These words were well remembered by many of those who then stood in the square. In addition, it is also wrong to consider Croats to be completely Ustami, since if you look at the list of national heroes of Yugoslavia, you will find many Croats there, and whoever was Tito should not be reminded.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. creak
          creak April 19 2016 12: 56
          +2
          Quote: Rastas
          many Croatian housekeepers and chetniks passed on to Tito partisans


          The Chetniks were Serbs, not Croats, and advocated the restoration of the monarchy in the country ...
          By the way, in Slovenia there were also their own members, who also fought on the side of the Germans.
          The picture was quite motley and ambiguous, almost everywhere there were partisans who fought against the invaders, as well as local collaborators ...
          Although, undoubtedly, the scale of resistance in Yugoslavia was the most significant of all the countries occupied by Germany and its allies ...
          PS The process of transition of collaborators was outlined when it became clear that Germany was starting to lose the war. In the 13th division of the Waffen SS "Handshar", formed mainly from Bosnian Muslims, there was even a mutiny - it became clear to everyone where the wind was blowing ...
          1. Rastas
            Rastas April 19 2016 16: 08
            +2
            Not only this was the reason for the transition. In the NHC, the policy of Pavelicz, forcing the Croats to work for a penny, actually plunged the people into poverty and ruin, while those Croats who did not feel animal hatred for the Serbs were scared by the fierce terror of the Ustasha.
        3. SokolfromRussia
          SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 14: 36
          0
          Yeah, only the national composition of Tito’s army was mostly Serbian. Croats began to run over to partisans only from the end of 1943, when the defeat of the Nazis was already inevitable. Up to this point, more than 80% of the NOAA was from Serbs from the territories of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. While the Serbs in Serbia themselves supported the Chetniks.
          1. Rastas
            Rastas April 19 2016 16: 11
            +2
            Not certainly in that way. Tito's army consisted of almost 80% of the Serbs during the Uzhitsky republic (autumn 1941), then was forced out to Bosnia, but for example, in August 1943 there were two partisan detachments operating in the Bihach Republic and totaled 781 soldiers, 445 partisans were Croats, 329 - Serbs, 7 - of other nationalities. The social composition of these units was as follows: 414 workers, 243 peasants, 91 artisans, 21 employees, 9 intellectual workers, 3 military and police officers (History of Yugoslavia, vol. 2, Moscow, 1963, p. 222). However, little is mentioned about the heroic resistance of the partisans in Slovenia, led by ally Tito E. Kardel.
            1. SokolfromRussia
              SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 18: 08
              -1
              That is, on the basis of two groups, you draw conclusions about "not quite so"? It's funny.
              27 July 1943, the 1 Croatian Corps consisted of 6230 people. Of these, 5910 were Serbs.
              Kordunian partisan detachment: 756 people, of which 746 are Serbs.
              Bani Partisan Detachment: 631 man, of whom 590 are Serbs.
              2-th Croatian Corps in August 1943 had 9408 people. Of these, the Serbs are 6639.

              At the same time, more 200 000 Croats served in the army of Nazi Croatia. Even more 113 000 Croats and Muslims served in the divisions of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
              Comments are superfluous, as they say.
              For this discussion I finish, modern Croatian fairy tales are not interesting for me.
              1. Rastas
                Rastas April 19 2016 22: 33
                +1
                A little bit about the number of units, especially about the 2 Croatian corps is interesting. But regarding the Ustasha, there were 25 thousand of them, but they were not taken prisoner, as a rule. but the Croatian housekeepers - 200 thousand, but this is for 4 years of war, all who went through the housework. In addition, many of them, disappointed, left, like the Chetniks, to Tito's partisans. In addition, as eyewitnesses, for example, veteran NOAU M. Sirovina, testify: "The Ustashi took all the men straight from the fields, and there are big villages there. They were forced to swear an oath of loyalty to Ante Pavelic, but no one thought how it could end." Of course, the Serbs, as the most numerous people, constituted the backbone of Tito's army, but it is at least stupid to consider the Croats as Ustashes. They had no more nationalists than Chetniks.
                1. SokolfromRussia
                  SokolfromRussia April 20 2016 11: 16
                  -1
                  Ssylochku? I cannot give a reference, but I must send you to the Military Archive in Belgrade.
                  Only people studying history by "links" is useless.
        4. goose
          goose April 19 2016 15: 13
          +1
          Croats have traditionally been the most educated part of the officers in the army of Yugoslavia.
          1. SokolfromRussia
            SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 17: 58
            -1
            Could you share the source of such information? In addition to the fleet, the Croats practically did not serve in Austria-Hungary. The exception was the border troops, but there the majority of the soldiers were Serbs, the officers were Germans.
            In WWI, all Croatian units were mobilized from the reserve. And the reserve was the Croatian peasantry, which in Croatia and Slavonia constituted almost 90% of the population. Where, sorry, did the "educated Croatian officers" come from?
      2. pogis
        pogis April 19 2016 20: 06
        +2
        Tito was a Croat.
  8. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 19 2016 10: 28
    +2
    Looking at the map of the directions of attacks on Yugoslavia, it is clear that she had no chance, attacks from all sides almost simultaneously, it is almost impossible to defend herself ....
  9. SokolfromRussia
    SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 11: 12
    +4
    The topic of the role of the Croats in defeating the Yugoslav army has not been disclosed.

    “In many ways, the rapid surrender of the Yugoslav army was a result of sabotage by Croatian soldiers and officers. In Croatia, the Yugoslav military authorities faced the greatest difficulties with mobilization, the turnout of conscripts was very low. For example, on April 3, 1941, the Croat Colonel Kren fled to Graz and gave the Germans detailed information about the Yugoslav armed forces, including information on the deployment of secret air bases. Another example is the uprising of two regiments in Belovar, which were formed from local Croatian reservists. The rebels blockaded Belovar and demanded the surrender of the garrison, threatening to kill otherwise of all Serbs and family members of officers living in the city and its environs. The official Croatian newspaper "Nova Hrvatska" later wrote about the betrayal and collaboration of Croats in the Yugoslav army, which attributed the defeat of the Yugoslav army to sabotage by Croatian soldiers and officers. "
    1. Rastas
      Rastas April 19 2016 11: 55
      +3
      Firstly, we must honestly say why the same Croats or Muslims did not want to fight like that. The main reason is the discriminatory Greater Serb policy of the Karageorgievich dynasty, which laid the foundation for the future bloody massacre in the Balkans. This policy was aimed at blurring the ethnic boundaries of the peoples of Yugoslavia, the imposition of Serbian officials, the kind of Danish constitution of 1921 directly established the primacy of the Serbian nation, this is a country where 60% of the population were not Serbs. In national areas, artificially created obstacles to economic growth, the development of national culture and education. Serbian was introduced in schools and institutions. Serbs made up the majority of army and police officers, civilian officials. All this gave a powerful impetus to the development of nationalism and hatred not only of the Karageorgievichs, but, unfortunately, of the entire Serbian people. What can I say, even the Montenegrins close to the Serbs in the 20-30s created partisan detachments and went into the mountains.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 14: 25
        0
        The foundations for the "bloody massacre" were laid in Austria-Hungary in the middle of the 19th century, when the Great Croatian nationalism of Starcevic, Quaternik, and then Frank appeared. From the end of the 19th century to the end of WWII, Austria-Hungary was shaken by Serbian pogroms. churches, schools and shops were desecrated, and Serbophobia was promoted everywhere. And after the Sarajevo murder, Serbs were generally killed in the middle of the streets and no one cared about it.

        The problem of Yugoslavia is that the Croats fought on the side of Austria-Hungary and were among the losers in 1918. Joining Yugoslavia allowed them to go to the camp of winners. But instead of being grateful to the Serbs who agreed to accept them into Yugoslavia, the Croats immediately wanted independence. Moreover, there was no independence within the borders where they were not only a minority, but also where there was no Croatian ethnic component at all.

        The error of the Serbs is not in the policy of Karageorgievichs, but in agreement to unite the southern Slavs. They needed to create a country that united the Serbs, and not just the South Slavic peoples. And let the Croats and Slovenes themselves take the rap as the losing side.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas April 19 2016 16: 24
          +3
          You know, the Serbs also served in the Austro-Hungarian army. So the episode is known: once the Serbs surrounded a part of the Austro-Hungarian army and offered to surrender to it. “Surrender, otherwise everyone will die like fools!” They shouted. “When did you see the Serbs surrender?” - answered them in Serbian from the Austrian trenches. In addition to nationalism, you probably do not know that Croatia is also the birthplace of Illyrism - the theory of the unity of the southern Slavs, it was in Croatia in the 19th century that the term Yugoslavia was born. Figures such as Quaternary and Strosmeier promoted the idea of ​​uniting Yu. Slavs. And nationalism, yes, was promoted by the auto-Hungarian authorities in the ideology of A. Starchevich and J. Frank, but until the 20s it was not so popular. It was the policy of the Karageorgievichs that led to his surge. Then, the Croats did not ask the Serbs, but initially insisted on an equal union of peoples, moreover, they advocated a republic, not a monarchy. But England and France intervened, and they formed the KSKhS.
      2. pytar
        pytar April 19 2016 14: 26
        +5
        Rastas - You write everything correctly! Objectively and accurately! good I will only add one thing: Great Serbs nationalism flared up even earlier than the Karageorgievich people came to power. For example, until 1885, the Bulgarian and the Serbian were certainly considered brothers, since for almost 6 centuries they fought together against the Ottomans. In 1885, the Serbian King Milan Obrenovic, deciding to take advantage of the critical situation in Bulgaria, orders the Serbian troops to attack in the rear on the recently liberated Bulgarian state. This is at a time when the entire Bulgarian army is on the border with Turkey and awaits the Turkish invasion. The Serbian soldiers themselves did not initially know that they were going to attack their Bulgarian brothers! The Serbian command went on to deceive their own soldiers, saying that the Serbs are going to help in Bulgaria against the Turks! This was the first war in the 6th century between Serbia and Bulgaria! In it the Bulgarian defeated the Serbs. Relations between Serbia and Bulgaria finally deteriorated during the First and Second Bolcan Wars! Then Serbia, together with Greece, in violation of the common union treaty with Bulgaria, occupied Macedonia! The Bulgarian army at that time stood at 38 km. from Constantinople and was going to take it! After the news that Serbia and Greece had occupied Macedonia, the Bulgarians had to leave Constantinople as a matter of urgency and begin to deploy to the West. They already had to fight, in addition to the Turks already and from their former allies Serbia, Greece, Cherna Gora and Romania, which adjoined them. Bulgaria was surrounded on all sides and lost this war, but hatred for the Sebras and the Greeks intensified. The First World War, in which Bulgaria tried to free Macedonia, also threw a stone in the swamps. It did not work out, but the population of Macedonia, which was predominantly Bulgarian, began the national liberation war against the Serbs. In 1941, all these problems flared up with renewed vigor. It is clear that the non-Serbian soldiers fled, because they did not want to fight for that Serbian Yugoslavia. The Germans and the Italians freed them and sent them home. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia, as a state formation, was not viable and for that could not provide any kind of serious resistance to the Germans. The communist movement of Tito, in fact, was international, and for that it was attended by representatives of all the peoples of Yugoslavia. How long Titovaya Yugoslavia managed to cope with national contradictions is debatable ... By 81, only 5,4% of the population registered as "Yugoslavian" by correspondence. The rest retained their national identity. Many researchers and political analysts believe that Serbian nationalism survived and even intensified during Titus' Yugoslavia. The titanic Yugoslavia suppressed interethnic contradictions, but did not resolve them. This is not so important now, since most of the peoples of the former Yugoslavia received or won their independence. You can say whatever you want, but the people themselves wished to leave Yugoslavia by referendums. I was very sorry that all this happened with blood and destruction, and not peacefully, like in Czechoslovakia.
        1. SokolfromRussia
          SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 14: 32
          0
          Sorry, but these are all Bulgarian fairy tales. There are stories about "Bulgarians in Macedonia" and oh what bad Serbs. Only you have forgotten that in the Second Balkan War it was Bulgaria that attacked the Serbian units, but was repulsed and defeated by Serbia, Greece and Romania.

          Next, Serbian nationalism in Yugoslavia under Tito? And about Albanian or Croatian forgotten?

          You know, here in Serbia, Bulgarian atrocities in 1915-1918 and during the WWII years are well remembered. And you, as neighbors, do not trust. Russia, I think, should also be very wary of Bulgaria, considering that both world wars were on the side of our opponents, and now you are conducting an extremely unfriendly policy towards the Russian Federation.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 19 2016 14: 55
          -1
          Nobody in the SFRY set the goal of denationalizing the peoples of the country. The “Yugoslavs undecided” in the SFRY were mainly those from mixed families who found it difficult to define their nationality. Most of them were in Bosnia.
        3. Wolf
          Wolf April 19 2016 23: 44
          0
          And Bulgaria has always been betrayed by Serbia and Ruska! ;) We fought on the side of the Nazis and in 1 and 2 warrior! ;) And always in the back of the drink! Especially in 1 warrior, atrocities in eastern Serbia were interpreted by the bi and the devil himself envied! And their Habsburshki Koroљ Jew and Freemason, beat smart Servo in North-West Bulgaria, tzv. Shopov made Bulgar, a new nation of the 19th century! Until the 19th century, no Bugars before the Chernog Mora beat! ;) Purely for the sake of development! ;)
          !
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 19 2016 23: 46
            -1
            The production technology of the new nation of Bulgars beat similar to the production of the new nation of Ukrainians in the 19th century! ;)
        4. Wolf
          Wolf April 19 2016 23: 47
          0
          And Bulgaria has always been betrayed by Serbia and Ruska! ;) We fought on the side of the Nazis and in 1 and 2 warrior! ;) And always in the back of the drink! Especially in 1 warrior, atrocities in eastern Serbia were interpreted by the bi and the devil himself envied! And their Habsburshki Koroљ Jew and Freemason, beat smart Servo in North-West Bulgaria, tzv. Shopov made Bulgar, a new nation of the 19th century! Until the 19th century, no Bugars before the Chernog Mora beat! ;) Purely for the sake of development! ;)
          !

          Reply
          quote
          Change
          Report Site Violation
          Remove

          0
          Lieutenant Avatar
          Wolf RS Today, 23:46 PM ↑ New

          The production technology of the new nation of Bulgars beat similar to the production of the new nation of Ukrainians in the 19th century! ;)
        5. Wolf
          Wolf April 20 2016 02: 19
          -2
          Territory today Bulgaria has always belonged to the Serbian dynasties and there they beat the Serbs and in the east to Tsarigrad Tatari Nogati !!! , Bulgars until the 19th century did not beat!
      3. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 14: 28
        0
        Farther. What does the Serbian language mean? All of them, with the exception of the Macedonians and Albanians, spoke the Serbo-Croatian language. There was no difference at all between Serbian and "Croatian" after WWI. Again, there can be no talk of any obstacles to economic development. Belgrade invested heavily in the development of the economies of Croatia and Bosnia, which, within the framework of Austria-Hungary, were the most backward provinces of the Empire. As for the Montenegrins, such a "nation" first appeared in 1948. Even when the Montenegrins were independent in the 18-19th centuries. in all documents, letters and appeals, they called themselves Serbs. In a letter to Karageorgiy they called themselves "the salt of the Serbian people".
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 19 2016 23: 49
          -2
          Eto always beat a Serbian hezik! Then the Masons called him Serbo the Hrvat! ;)
      4. goose
        goose April 19 2016 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: Rastas
        this is in a country where 60% of the population were not Serbs.

        And then who were the Croats and Montenegrins? One language, one genes, one story. Only different kings.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas April 19 2016 16: 27
          +4
          One, but not one. They lived in different states, and Montenegro was so independent in general. The Montenegrins were quite proud of this, therefore, the infringement of their national dignity in the 20s was painful.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 19 2016 23: 51
            -2
            Montenegro 100% SERBI! , It seems like Novogorodtsi 100% Ruski! ;)
    2. Rastas
      Rastas April 19 2016 11: 58
      +3
      Here we must also mention that many honest Croats were shot undeservedly. The tragic fate was with the internationally famous athlete-parachutist, the captain of the Yugoslav Air Force, Felix Dominicanich, along with several pilots and Croatian aircraft, who was killed by gendarmes near the Sarayevo airfield on April 15. It was established that all of them honestly performed their military duties; The Dominican Republic performed 14 sorties. Under execution, he shouted: “Kill ... shoot at your comrades!”
    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 23 2016 11: 39
      +2
      In many ways, the quick surrender of the Yugoslav army occurred as a result of sabotage by Croatian soldiers and officers

      Probably the roots of these phenomena go deeper. It is necessary to take into account the difference in religions of the same Croats and Serbs. Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, Russians - Orthodox religion.
      Wiki Help -
      "Croats (Croatian Hrvati; obsolete. croats[source not specified 41 days]) - the South Slavic people, whose representatives live in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Czech Republic ...
      Actually, the current Croats are white Croats and red Croats.
      One of the Eastern Slavic tribes living in the eastern Galicia (now Western Ukraine), called the White Croats, and the tribes living in Moravia and Slovakia - the Black Croats.
      The total number is 6,9 million, including in Croatia - 4 million, Bosnia and Herzegovina - 650 thousand. The main religion is Catholicism.. Tongue - хорватский.

      --------------
      Oh, now they are already "Ukrainians".
  10. Jurgens
    Jurgens April 19 2016 11: 46
    0
    It is better to publish such articles than articles by Alexander Rogers on V.O. !!!!
  11. parusnik
    parusnik April 19 2016 14: 08
    +3
    Quote: Leto
    Germany was unable to capture Gibraltar!

    If Germany had seized Gibraltar ... She would not have been a tenant .. Hitler and the USSR could not attack .. Through Spain, Vichy France, strategic raw materials went to Germany .. As soon as this "shop" was closed by the "allies" in 1944. ., realizing that the USSR could not be defeated, the collapse of Germany began .. And let's not forget that through the same Spain, a channel was established for transporting Nazi criminals to the countries of South America .. with the outbreak of World War II, everything is not so simple .. Say, Hitler himself wanted to reign and own everything, not seriously ..
  12. The comment was deleted.
  13. The comment was deleted.
  14. pytar
    pytar April 19 2016 15: 01
    +3
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    Sorry, but these are all Bulgarian fairy tales. There are stories about "Bulgarians in Macedonia" and oh, what bad Serbs. Only you forgot that in the Second Balkan War it was Bulgaria that attacked the Serbian units, but was repulsed and defeated by Serbia, Greece and Romania. Next, Serbian nationalism in Yugoslavia under Tito? Have you forgotten about Albanian or Croatian? You know, here in Serbia they remember very well the Bulgarian atrocities in 1915-1918 and during the WWII. And they don't trust you as neighbors. Russia, I think, should also be very wary of Bulgaria, given that in both world wars you were on the side of our opponents, and now you are pursuing an extremely unfriendly policy towards the Russian Federation.

    Probably Bulgaria had a very good reason to "attack" everyone at the same time! Maybe that third of the soldiers of the Bulgarian army, who were from the same Macedonia, are to blame? bully You know .. Arguing about who is right and who is not, senseless. Each has its own truth. My parents are just from Macedonia, so I know better who they are "Macedonians" ... And time puts everything in its place. Now Macedonia is a free country! And Bulgaria was the first to recognize its independence! For the first time in my life I could go to Ohrid and put flowers on the coffins of my grandfather and great-grandfather! And in the interstate relations that problem disappeared, which for centuries hounded the relations between Bulgaria and Serbia. It's time for us to build new friendly, relations between our Slavic, Orthodox peoples! As for the Croatian and Albanian nationalism ... Nationalism in some kindles responses in others. In reality, the Serbs and Croats have the same language. And so much blood was shed among themselves! Albanians are not even Slavs, but here it is ?! During the wars and in the periods between them, everyone committed atrocities, without exclusion. The blood feud unfortunately takes place on the Bolkans. Regarding politics, to a great regret from the point of view of the Bulgarians, not they, but Russia, often stood on the side of the Bulgarian enemies. On the other hand, since 45, for almost half a century, Bulgaria has been the most loyal ally of the Soviet Union. Over the past 20 years, unfortunately, the relations between our states are not the best. But this is temporary and not at the everyday level, where the Bulgarian and Russian people continue to be completely friendly to one another. A little more time will pass and relations at the state level will become better, and probably allied. This is natural and inevitable. Ksati as well as the creation of Balkan (Orthodox / Slavic)!?!? union. wink
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 15: 53
      +2
      What nice wishes :) But Bulgaria only recognized Kosovo, where thousands of Slavs were killed and dozens of churches and monasteries destroyed. Is this how you "build relationships"? When the Albanians in Macedonia proclaim independence (and they are already on their way to that), you will recognize them too, because the master from Washington will order so.
    2. Wolf
      Wolf April 19 2016 23: 56
      -2
      Macedonian hezik and Bulgarian dialect Serbian hezik named SHOPSKI! shto bi Mr. Bulgar knew! And in Bulgaria and today’s den, they sing a song about Kraeviev Mark Serbian Korљu, also Serbsky Korљ Milutin, is buried in Sofia. In the 19 century, Natsia Bulgarov was created in the Habsburg state of Russia and the Serbian ethnic group! ;)
  15. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky April 19 2016 16: 10
    +3
    An interesting informative article, thanks to the author. A. Samsonov deals with unclarified historical topics. I hope to read an article about the takeover of the island of Crete ... soldier
    1. but still
      but still April 19 2016 18: 31
      +1
      That's it - about the battles in Crete. It would also be possible in the article to lighten also the supplies of the USSR to Germany of raw materials, oil and grain during the events described in the article.
  16. pytar
    pytar April 19 2016 17: 03
    +3
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    What nice wishes :) But Bulgaria only recognized Kosovo, where thousands of Slavs were killed and dozens of churches and monasteries destroyed. Is this how you "build relationships"? When the Albanians in Macedonia proclaim independence (and they are already on their way to that), you will recognize them too, because the master from Washington will order so.

    A thinking person will certainly make the difference between government and people. This is sometimes (and in essence more often) completely different things. Confessions of Kosovo, I think a huge mistake by the government. At the same time, most of the Bulgarians, despite centuries of friction, were still on the side of the Serbs. In Macedonia, a similar process flow unfortunately. In any case, the Serbian leadership made a lot of mistakes and shortcomings during the Kossovsky crisis, which ultimately led to such a tragic result. All the tragic events around Yugoslavia and Serbia had a sobering effect on the Serbs themselves, as a people and as a society. I communicate and make friends with many Serbs. Their former chauvinism began to lag behind. Having experienced injustice on their backs, they began to see things differently. All the same, there is some kind of higher justice ... For centuries having been occupying foreign non-Serb lands, the Serbs were punished! They lost what was originally theirs, namely, the cradle of their own statehood - Kossovo. Truly bad, but new opportunities are opening up ahead for cooperation among the Balkan peoples.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 17: 46
      0
      What nonsense ... What lands have the Serbs occupied for centuries?
      Government and people? Do you have a government that is not recruited from Bulgarians? Do you bring the government from Mars to you? The people have the government that deserves, so do not otmazyvatsya.
      The more I read such comments here, the more I become convinced of the correctness of my position towards Bulgaria. Sorry, you released her in 1878, you were not worth tens of thousands of Russian lives.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 19 2016 19: 43
        +4
        Even Belgrade was founded by the Bulgarian Tsars Boris I in the 300th century. At that time, the city guards the western borders of the Bulgarian state and is called Alba Bulgarica in Latin sources. ;))))) As the saying goes, "Kosovo is Serbia, and everything else is Bulgaria (just kidding). Also ... our Macedonian joke like that -" There are no Serbs before Beograd. "And there is some nonsense, but you have it. Gorby , Yeltsin, is the people of Russia? Not of course. Only a dull-witted person can put equality between the rulers and the people. I will add one more fact - for 13 years Russia has been waging XNUMX major wars with the Ottoman Empire and many smaller ones. The goal is to gain control over the Straits The Bulgarians will never forget the Great Feat of the Russian Soldiers But I've been thinking ... what if Bulgaria were far from the Straits, to a place without strategic or other significance ?! what Okay. The topic is not the same. There was a question about Yugoslavia.
        1. SokolfromRussia
          SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 20: 07
          -2
          Finish too delirious. Belgrade was founded by the Celts, the tribe of Scordisks, like Singidunum even before our era, when the Bulgarians in the Balkans did not even smell.
          And do not poke, please. Do not show your low level of culture.
          1. but still
            but still April 19 2016 23: 54
            +1
            Quote: SokolfromRussia
            SokolfromRussia RU Today, 20:07 ↑ New

            Finish too delirious. Belgrade was founded by the Celts, the tribe of Scordisks, like Singidunum even before our era, when the Bulgarians in the Balkans did not even smell.
            And do not poke, please. Do not show your low level of culture.


            Are the Celts ancestors of the Serbs? What do Serbs have to do with Celts? If the Celts, or some of them remained to live on the site of the city they founded, why is there no continuity in the Celtic name "Singidunum" with the name "Belgrade" (Beograd)?
            But the toponym BELGRADE was first mentioned in the 9th century:

            the name of the city of Belgrade is first encountered in a letter from Pope John VIII to the Bulgarian Prince Boris of April 16, 878.


            In the 9th and 10th centuries, Belgrade, founded, as a colleague told you, by the Bulgarian prince Boris, was a Bulgarian city.
            When did the Serbian state form? At the end of the 12th century, moreover, in a territory not covering areas near Belgrade.
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 19 2016 23: 59
              -2
              BORIS did not beat any Bulgarian !!! Tagda Bulgars did not exist! :)
            2. Wolf
              Wolf April 20 2016 00: 09
              -1
              What 12th century are you talking about? This can really make fun! Already in the 9th century, the Germans beat and, above all, 7 dynasties! ;) Otherwise, the Serbian Koros always shook this territory to the Black Sea! Od 5th century on! ;)
            3. SokolfromRussia
              SokolfromRussia April 20 2016 00: 11
              0
              Another ... In the 6 century, Slavs came to the Balkan Peninsula, who called Singidunum Beli hail or Beograd. From there came the name. And it is found in the Frankish annals of Einhardt, the beginning of the 9 century. Read the description of the events of the uprising of Lyudevita Posavsky, in this chapter you will find.

              The Serbian state, in fact, was formed at the beginning of the 9 century on the territory of modern Eastern Bosnia and South-Western Serbia. It was a state. education under the rule of the Vlastimirovich dynasty, which in historiography is commonly called the Serbian principality (Srpska Knezhevina).

              Learn history professionally, and not from what the poor Russian-speaking "Bulgarians from Macedonia" write.
        2. alpamys
          alpamys April 19 2016 20: 55
          +3
          Quote: pytar
          Even Belgrade was founded by the Bulgarian Tsars Boris I in the 300th century. At that time, the city guards the western borders of the Bulgarian state and is called Alba Bulgarica in Latin sources. ;))))) As the saying goes, "Kosovo is Serbia, and everything else is Bulgaria (just kidding). Also ... our Macedonian joke like that -" There are no Serbs before Beograd. "And there is some nonsense, but you have it. Gorby , Yeltsin, is the people of Russia? Not of course. Only a dull-witted person can put equality between the rulers and the people. I will add one more fact - for 13 years Russia has been waging XNUMX major wars with the Ottoman Empire and many smaller ones. The goal is to gain control over the Straits The Bulgarians will never forget the Great Feat of the Russian Soldiers But I've been thinking ... what if Bulgaria were far from the Straits, to a place without strategic or other significance ?! what Okay. The topic is not the same. There was a question about Yugoslavia.



          you better tell how your Belgrade in 1941, with its 1500 thousandth mixed from militants and regulars army surrendered seven SS soldiers under the command of Fritz Klingensberg, "Hero of Belgrade".

          anyone interested will give a link

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B1%D
          0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3,_%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86
          1. SokolfromRussia
            SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 21: 20
            -2
            "You better tell me" how during the Seven Years War "your Berlin" surrendered without a fight at all. Well, I can remind you where in the end, in 1945, the SS and all its "heroes" ended up in the dustbin of history.
            1. alpamys
              alpamys April 19 2016 21: 25
              +2
              Quote: SokolfromRussia
              "You better tell me" how during the Seven Years War "your Berlin" surrendered without a fight at all. Well, I can remind you where in the end, in 1945, the SS and all its "heroes" ended up in the dustbin of history.

              feel the difference, 7 soldiers and 1500 troops and that was really .. Berlin and the Germans remember me, but few people know about Belgrade.
              1. SokolfromRussia
                SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 21: 32
                -3
                In fact, there was a brutal bombardment of Belgrade, and there were no troops in the city at all. Alas, the falsification of a story similar to you now flourishes ...
                1. alpamys
                  alpamys April 19 2016 21: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: SokolfromRussia
                  In fact, there was a brutal bombardment of Belgrade, and there were no troops in the city at all. Alas, the falsification of a story similar to you now flourishes ...

                  with people like you, even a dumb dialogue, no troops .. chtoli fool? I’ll go to your level, there were no troops in the capital, do you believe that yourself?
                  1. SokolfromRussia
                    SokolfromRussia April 19 2016 22: 04
                    -1
                    I believe archival documents that clearly show the absence of significant units in Belgrade.
                    For sim you to ignore.
              2. Wolf
                Wolf April 20 2016 00: 06
                -1
                11 April ј UGOSLAVSKY ARMY ALMOST NOT BEAT. 12. April capitulation! Can one say how many divisions, and then the Fascists of Nemtsi kept Ugoslavia at the FEAR of one Serb? and they fought as they should against NATO Hitler and killed you enough in 1941-1945! Prvog Serb 1999 in Kosovo killed the German Officer !!! UTB is remembered and RETURNED with an extra charge! ;)
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 19 2016 21: 29
            +1
            You are actually discussing with a Bulgarian.
          3. The comment was deleted.
            1. alpamys
              alpamys April 19 2016 21: 39
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              Question to the Serbs, not to me. The fact of the surrender of Belgrade to 7 SS soldiers is well known. The Germans themselves were stunned!

              correct answer ... this is a historical fact.

              ps ... and what you wipe written is a big minus.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 19 2016 22: 01
                +2
                service error. the text flew unintentionally.
        3. Turkir
          Turkir April 23 2016 11: 15
          +1
          and if Bulgaria would be far from the Straits

          You did not take into account the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church on the policies of the Russian Empire.
          It's not about the straits. Prince Vladimir converted to Christianity in 988.
          The analysis shows that Princess Olga has already adopted Christianity and it is ridiculous to assume that she was the only one in her circle. Another thing is interesting, namely: that Christianity penetrated into Russia not from Byzantium, but from Bulgaria.
          Do not forget: Church Slavonic language dates back to the South Bulgarian (Solunsky) Slavic dialect.
  17. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 19 2016 22: 47
    +2
    Romania, the Wehrmacht command assigned the role of a barrier against the USSR.
    Firstly, the respected Author, the Wehrmacht is a proper name and, according to the rules of the Russian language, is capitalized.

    Secondly, what kind of a BLOCK?!? I recall that the Reich and the USSR are at the peak of COOPERATION and are friendly allied states, with divided spheres of influence! Moreover, if Romania were not the only source of oil for Germany, then Hitler would agree to give it to Stalin. But oil then mixed up the cards ...
  18. Wolf
    Wolf April 20 2016 00: 12
    -2
    Quote: alpamys
    11 April ј UGOSLAVSKY ARMY ALMOST NOT BEAT. 12. April capitulation! Can one say how many divisions, and then the Fascists of Nemtsi kept Ugoslavia at the FEAR of one Serb? and they fought as they should against NATO Hitler and killed you enough in 1941-1945! Prvog Serb 1999 in Kosovo killed the German Officer !!! UTB is remembered and RETURNED with an extra charge! ;)




    11 April ј UGOSLAVSKY ARMY ALMOST NOT BEAT. 12. April capitulation! Can one say how many divisions, and then the Fascists of Nemtsi kept Ugoslavia at the FEAR of one Serb? and they fought as they should against NATO Hitler and killed you enough in 1941-1945! Prvog Serb 1999 in Kosovo killed the German Officer !!! UTB is remembered and RETURNED with an extra charge! ;)
  19. pytar
    pytar April 20 2016 09: 27
    +3
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    Another ... In the 6th century, the Slavs came to the Balkan Peninsula, who called Singidunum Beli Grad or Beograd. From there this name also went. And it is found even in the Frankish annals of Einhardt, early 9th century. Read the description of the events of the uprising of Ludevit Posavsky, in this chapter and you will find. The Serbian state, in fact, was formed at the beginning of the 9th century on the territory of modern Eastern Bosnia and Southwestern Serbia. It was state. formation under the rule of the Vlastimirovich dynasty, which in historiography is usually called the Serbian principality (Srpska knezewina). Learn history professionally, and not from what the poor Russian-speaking "Bulgarians from Macedonia" write.

    Singidunum was destroyed during the barbarian invasions even before the appearance of the Slavs on the Bolkans. And Belgrade as a full-fledged city was restored during the First Bulgarian Kingdom, Tsar Boris I (852-907), which was issued a document on its restoration. It was at this time that Belgrade was mentioned in Latin sources as Alba Bulgarica (Latin Alba Bulgarica - Bulgarian City). There are different versions of its name White City. One comes from the color of the rocks near the city, and the other comes from the fact that in the Middle Ages the roots of the world were meant with color. White symbolizes the West, and Belgrade was located on the western border of Bulgaria at that time. Belgrade had nothing to do with Serbia until the end of the 13th century, when, for a short time and as a Hungarian wasalite, it was part of the Serbian rule of Stefan Dragutin. In the following centuries, the city often changes its "allegiance", until the Ottomans take it on 28.08.1521/9/XNUMX. You write that Serbia was formed at the beginning of the XNUMXth century on the territory of modern Eastern Bosnia and South-Western Serbia. This is true, and the Croatian state formation was created almost simultaneously. So look at the map of where modern Eastern Bosnia and Southwestern Serbia are and where Belgrade is! Which state was located in these territories from the East? Almost all of modern Serbia lies on the territory of the former Western Bulgaria. Of course, from time to time, the border and ethnic composition of the population has changed, but the fact remains. Present-day Bulgaria has no territorial or other claims to Serbia. We only wish that the rights of the Bulgarian national minority are respected. In view of the current situation in Bolkanov, there is a real opportunity for the Bolkan peoples to move on to mutually beneficial cooperation and improve their relations, and this understanding already exists, both among politicians and among our peoples. The moronic chants of individual nationalists of the "wolf" type in Bolkan countries no longer carry weight.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia April 20 2016 11: 14
      +1
      Aren't you tired of writing nonsense? The city remained "Bulgarian" for several years and quickly came under the control of the Hungarians. However, Serbs lived in it, as evidenced by the Hungarian chronicles. Also, the Serbian ethnic component lived beyond the Danube, while the Turkic Bulgarians were nowhere to be found.

      Macedonia is generally a Serbian land, in the 14 century Skopje was the capital of the Serbian kingdom :)

      The current Bulgaria has nothing to do with the Bulgaria about which you are writing. And, by the way, Bulgaria still occupies Serbian and Greek lands. Vidin is a Serbian city, as well as Sofia, and Vratsa and many others. But, I am sure, this is temporary and historical justice will prevail.

      For this, you are also ignored, your tales of "great Bulgaria", which only did what it lost throughout history, are also of little interest to me.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 20 2016 11: 36
        +3
        I won’t even argue with such wild delirium! You write from some kind of parallel universe ... fool I agree with one all the same! "But I'm sure this is temporary and historical justice will prevail." - that's for sure, and she has already begun her steps along the Bolkans! Macedonia is a free, independent country! There is no smell of Serbia there already! The process of restoring the Bulgarian ethnic identity, albeit slowly, is moving inexorably and irrevocably among the people of this long-suffering land. Vanga herself, from Macedonia, and accurately said - "we are one people and after a while we will reunite!" Neither Vidin, nor Sofia nor Vratsa were and never will be Serbian. Yes, and a normal Serbian, they will laugh at your nonsense! I remember as a Macedonian in Skopje, almost got a stroke, when, a year earlier, the Serbian ambassador said, obviously through inattention to Skopje, that "Macedonians are Bulgarians"! As for Kossovo, I will say this: It is a great regret that Serbia was taken away from what was truly and undeniably Serbian. Namely - Kossovo! The Serbs could not be greedy for foreign lands, but they had to protect their own. I don't have bad feelings for the Serbs. All the same, they are ethnically closest to us. But to be honest, I do not believe that Kossovo, in the foreseeable future, will become again Serbian. Most likely, other parts of Serbia will become Albanian than Kossovo Serbian. Another addition - the genetics of the Bulgarian people is definitely Slavic. The genetically closest people to the Bulgarians are the Serbs and the Croatian. And the "Macedonians" in genetics practically do not differ from the Bulgarians. One people, in short. The Slavs will sooner or later come to their senses and clasp each other's hands! Our common future is not in conflicts, but in an alliance!
  20. pytar
    pytar April 20 2016 09: 37
    +3
    Quote: Wolf
    Macedonian hezik and Bulgarian dialect Serbian hezik named SHOPSKI! shto bi Mr. Bulgar knew! And in Bulgaria and today’s den, they sing a song about Kraeviev Mark Serbian Korљu, also Serbsky Korљ Milutin, is buried in Sofia. In the 19 century, Natsia Bulgarov was created in the Habsburg state of Russia and the Serbian ethnic group! ;)

    Bullshit ... fool Chauvinism bordering on insanity! Because of people like you, Serbia has suffered so much. It’s good that the majority of Serbs are normal people, and thanks to that, Serbia has a future. And chauvinists and nationalists of all stripes, get out of the Balkans! And for people like you, so many people have died!