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Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation: negotiations on the sale of C-400 conducted with China and India

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There are plenty of those who want to buy C-400 air defense systems, but it will not be delivered to everyone, the priorities are, as before, the needs of the Russian army remain, RIA News Post by Assistant to the President for Military-Technical Cooperation Vladimir Kozhin.




“There is a huge amount of people who want them, it’s another thing that we can’t give them to everyone and, accordingly, we’ll not deliver them to everyone, because the priority is first of all the Russian army, although negotiations are underway with China and India,”
Kozhin told Izvestia newspaper.

The publication notes that "interest in the products of the Russian military industrial complex has increased after a successful operation in Syria, among those who want to buy Russian aircraft is India, Malaysia, Algeria, Indonesia."

But the special attention was attracted by the unparalleled C-400 system, located in Hammey after the attack on the Russian Su-24.

Vladimir Putin himself drew attention to the growing interest in the Russian technology in the course of the “straight line”.

Agency Help: "C-400" Triumph "- Russian long-range and medium-range anti-aircraft missile system, designed to destroy all modern and promising means of aerospace attack. The system can hit aerodynamic targets at a range of up to four hundred kilometers and tactical ballistic targets at a range of up to sixty kilometers: cruise missiles, airplanes of all types, ballistic missile warheads. Early detection radar provides a detection range of up to six hundred kilometers. "
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Dmitry Vinogradov / RIA "News"
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  1. avvg
    avvg April 18 2016 09: 41
    +13
    Everything is correct, the needs of the Russian Army should remain priority, and we will always be in time to sell these piece goods.
    1. Error
      Error April 18 2016 09: 42
      +2
      This is all clear and right. I still wonder how much China ordered !? If anyone knows to sign up ?!
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 09: 46
        +1
        "At least 6 S-400 Triumph air defense systems will be delivered to China. The amount of the contract is estimated at $ 3 billion."
        http://bolshefaktov.ru/v-mire/yekonomika/kitay-kupil-rossiyskie-kompleksy-s-400-

        1917
        China also ordered 24 Su-35 fighters and 4 Amur-1650 submarines (export modification of Project 667 "Lada").
        1. cniza
          cniza April 18 2016 09: 50
          +7
          In turn, the export option will go to all the adequate partners, it’s simpler.
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar April 18 2016 10: 25
          +1
          A huge number of people are willing to

          Well, overseas shepherds will be upset, they will have to park their aircraft carriers ....
        3. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn April 18 2016 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          4 submarines Amur-1650 (export modification of Project 667 "Lada").

          China did not order any submarines
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 15: 15
            -2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            China did not order any submarines

            http://eurasian-defence.ru/?q=node/2722
            1. Talgat
              Talgat April 18 2016 17: 36
              +2
              Generally supplying China a double-edged sword
              +
              Do not strengthen China - it will begin to lose the confrontation with aggressors in the Pacific Ocean - then Russia will have to spend more on the defense of the Far East. Strong China will take a more decisive position on all issues - from the Pacific Ocean to Syria and Iran.
              -
              If you put something modern for them, they will start copying and selling in the same markets as Russia (the markets are the same - countries that do not want to buy from potential opponents in the west). dumping. Although Putin seems to have agreed with them now, but the risks are still likely
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar April 18 2016 20: 29
                0
                It seems to me, all these statements about deliveries to China, India-a cover action! Quite a long time ago, presumably, many military developments were transferred to China. I don’t know how it is with India, but about China in the year 2010-2011 in the Russian military magazine, I don’t remember what the article was that since the year 2009, Russian designers have been helping Chinese designers to develop the Chinese analogue of the S-400 .... Only recently it became known that, it turns out, the Russian Federation helped the PRC in the development of the HQ-16, HQ-17 air defense systems, the WZ-10 attack helicopter, the J-10 multi-role fighter .... This is just what was announced ... And the RF’s output no: China will be overwhelmed, the next in line is the RF! True, China also has the same situation: Russia will be overwhelmed, the next in line-China! In any case, the plans of the Congress, the Pentagon and the Russian Federation, and the People’s Republic of China are condemned as obstacles to their unlimited dominance in the world. More precisely, the collapse of the Russian Federation is planned first, and then the Chinese People’s Republic, if they do not agree to bondage ....
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat April 18 2016 21: 22
                  0
                  Yes, unfortunately, after the death of our common homeland of the USSR, we ended up with China in the same boat

                  We all have now realized that the domination of the West is profit for the sake of profit, depletion of resources for nothing, poverty and powerlessness for all for the sake of enrichment and power of a handful of banker families - the so-called "world government"

                  They zombified the population of the West with false ideals of "democracy" which does not exist in reality, bribed part of the world's population with unjust money and unfair distribution of resources, and the world is really heading for ruin if this madness is not stopped

                  The USSR stood in their way - but now China stands in their way, an ancient civilization, which alone remained free from their dictatorship - for obvious reasons - they simply are not there

                  21 century - the confrontation between China and the West. And it seems Russia is now making a choice in the direction of China - as the lesser of evils - and a temporary ally

                  The defeat of China is the death of both Russia and the Russian people and all the peoples of Eurasia. We've all already been given "population limits." But vice versa - the defeat of Russia is the defeat of China - if only for this reason. that then Russia will be turned into a ram against China - just like Ukraine is now a ram against Russia
                  1. Karlovar
                    Karlovar April 19 2016 10: 18
                    0
                    So vsem soglasen ...
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn April 19 2016 09: 46
              +1
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              http://eurasian-defence.ru/?q=node/2722

              Have you watched a date though? December 20, 2012 laughing wassat
        4. lelikas
          lelikas April 18 2016 11: 29
          +4
          For the Chinese, a special version is needed - in which all the blocks and boards, inside, are covered with a thick layer of epoxy.
          1. Xsanchez
            Xsanchez April 18 2016 11: 59
            +5
            There is no need to rush, especially with China, in less than 3 years, and the Chinese will copy the S-400, and start selling all over the world, and knocking down the price.With India, you can build a joint venture to assemble the S-400 from vehicle kits supplied from Russia, or , as an option to agree on the sale of not 4 systems to China (the Chinese actually need 1 system at all for cloning), but at least 10-15 systems, then the need to produce the S-400 in China will disappear. But the Chinese are not fools, they will not agree, then we should not rush: when in India, 3-4 systems are put on duty, the Chinese will have a strong desire and need, and then we should begin to negotiate. Adjust the research of the S-500 "Sovereign". And, generally, think first , analyze, then act. Here, after all, we are not talking about the sale of weapons, but promising developments.
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik April 18 2016 10: 04
        +3
        More and more sorrow for the "exceptional" Yankees. Soon it will not be possible to fly anywhere with democratic bombing and tolerant missile attacks on countries of the "wrong" democracy, and you can get it from 400 ki. Vaughn theirs "Donya Cook", even without a crew, at the sound of a flying Dry, strives to dive deeper away from sin. In short, the sorrow of the Yankees is solid! negative
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 18 2016 20: 52
          -1
          The second approach to D. Cook's trolling is an unambiguously planned psychological (psychic, according to Chapaev-Babochkin), informational (for the world viewer) attack .... The US Navy did not scoff at other destroyers, only over Cook (it’s known that Cook- maybe another, even if the natives ate, V.S. Vysotsky will not let you lie) ....
      3. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 April 18 2016 10: 17
        +1
        There is still gunpowder in the powder flasks and berries in ......
        Pride for ours is simply overwhelming.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      All right priority should remain the needs of the Russian Army.

      So it seemed like there was news that they were building a new plant for the production of S-400/500. So that there are enough capacities both for the needs of our Moscow Region and for the needs of foreign customers?
      1. gispanec
        gispanec April 18 2016 09: 54
        +8
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        So it seemed like there was news that they were building a new plant for the production of S-400/500

        already built ... in Kirov and in Nizhny Novgorod ....
        1. gispanec
          gispanec April 18 2016 09: 55
          +6
          here it is ... from scratch))
        2. gispanec
          gispanec April 18 2016 09: 56
          +1
          Here is another photo!
          1. Vik66
            Vik66 April 18 2016 11: 08
            +2
            This is a photo of an old building.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec April 18 2016 17: 27
              0
              Quote: Vik66
              This is a photo of an old building.

              this photo, although the old case, but nevertheless it will be there that they will make both 400 matches and 350 matches ...
      2. Leto
        Leto April 18 2016 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        So it seemed like there was news that they were building a new plant for the production of S-400/500. So that there are enough capacities both for the needs of our Moscow Region and for the needs of foreign customers?

        Right now in Ekat, the Almazovsky plant is on fire, the area of ​​the fire is 1000 m2, so plans will have to be adjusted.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain April 18 2016 11: 57
          +7
          Quote: Leto
          Right now in Ekat, the Almazovsky plant is on fire, the area of ​​the fire is 1000 m2, so plans will have to be adjusted.

          Are you so happy about this? Well, well.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 04
            0
            Pests, along the way, act (intensified) ....
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 18 2016 20: 54
        -1
        About 4 years ago there were rumors about the construction of a new plant for the production of S-400, and ... S-500 ...
    3. DMB_95
      DMB_95 April 18 2016 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      Everything is correct, the needs of the Russian Army should remain priority.

      Absolutely. And China should not sell the S-400 at least until our Army has the S-500. And India and Algeria can be exported.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 11
        -1
        Nooooo, it’s better for Israel (they are also Semitic Algerians) and Germany (they are also Aryan Indians, and with a claim to the most Arians, although this is not so, the most Arians in the world are Persians, that is, the current Iranians and Tajiks ..., yes, Tajiks, it’s not regrettable for you it wasn’t) ... The main thing is not yellow, well, not black, pepper is clear!
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 18 2016 10: 19
      +8
      “There is a huge amount of people who want them, it’s another thing that we can’t give them to everyone and, accordingly, we’ll not deliver them to everyone, because the priority is first of all the Russian army, although negotiations are underway with China and India,”

      This is how it should be, as the capacity increases, then you can sell it in the export version. Well, with China, it seems like an agreement on the supply of S-400s has already been signed, with India they are still negotiating, and the rest have just announced their intention to acquire Triumph. .Can be wrong. hi
    5. sPS
      sPS April 18 2016 10: 32
      +1
      in the queue bitch children in the queue)))
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris April 18 2016 10: 33
      +2
      Let the C300 be bought up first, removed from duty and replaced by the C400. How did the Belarusian allies get fit (although they seem to have gotten a freebie) ..
      Quote: avvg
      Everything is correct, the needs of the Russian Army should remain priority, and we will always be in time to sell these piece goods.
  2. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog April 18 2016 09: 42
    +4
    Damn China nafig prodovat until 500e into service will not accept !!!! and India can be sold !!!!
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    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 09: 48
      +7
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Damn China nafig prodovat until 500e into service will not accept !!!! and India can be sold !!!!

      S-500s will seem to complement, and not replace, S-400s.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 18 2016 11: 40
        +2
        Prometheus air defense missile defense system will complement the Moscow missile defense system.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 14
        -1
        Well yes! It's like the "partners" PAC-3 and SM-3 ...
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga April 18 2016 09: 55
      +7
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Damn China nafig prodovat until 500e into service will not accept !!!! and India can be sold !!!!

      By and large, there are still no C-400 competitors, especially if the troops finally start receiving missiles with a launch range of 400 km. C-500 will not be mass, this system is designed to combat the BR and satellites in low orbits. In this mass anti-aircraft system should be C-350, it will replace the obsolete C-300PS.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 10: 09
        +1
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        The real mass anti-aircraft system should be the S-350, it will replace the aging S-300PS.

        1 S-350 division will be able to replace 3 S-300PS divisions (in terms of firepower).
        S-350 1 division 8 launchers, each with 12 missiles, 12 * 8 = 96 missiles.
        S-300PS 3 divisions of 24 launchers, each with 4 missiles, 4 * 24 = 96 missiles.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga April 18 2016 10: 15
          +5
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          1 C-350 Division will be able to replace 3 C-300PS Division.

          Can not No. You simplify everything too much. An increase in launchers alone of course increases fire performance, but 3 srn C-300P alone C-350 certainly will not replace.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 12: 09
            0
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            In itself, an increase in launchers of course increases firepower, but the S-3P 300 zrdn does not replace one S-350.

            Well, alongside firepower, mobility will also increase; transferring 1 S-350 battalion will be easier and faster than 3 S-300PS divisions. In addition, the S-350 will also increase the ability to track and simultaneously fire more air targets. The cost of maintenance and the need for personnel will be reduced.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo April 18 2016 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              In addition, C-350 will also increase the ability to track and simultaneously fire more air targets.

              In theory... With all due respect, but you are not a techie and do not know the specifics of air defense. You operate with some ideal models, but the reality is somewhat different. If we talk about "ideal" targets at the range, flying at medium altitudes, without maneuvering in the speed range of 500-900 km / h, which do not interfere and do not provide fire resistance - then yes, everything is as you write.
          2. Bongo
            Bongo April 18 2016 12: 15
            +2
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            You can’t simplify everything too much. In itself, an increase in launchers of course increases firepower, but the 3 C-300P does not replace one C-350.

            Will not replace. With approximately the same launch range from C-300PS, one C-350 division will not be able to protect the same number of objects as three C-300PS. By increasing the number of combat-ready missiles in the launchers, they tried to eliminate one of the drawbacks of the S-300P air defense system - a very long reload time. This became possible due to the fact that the S-350 missiles became much more compact, but to say that he alone can replace the three old air defense systems is nonsense.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 19
        0
        An analogue and competitor of the S-500-American "Aegis" with SM-3 ... Who checked, even not in combat conditions, that the S-500, which does not yet exist (at least officially), is cooler than the SM-3 ???? ??
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 09: 43
    0
    You can still sell to Iran, well, and Syria when it all ends there.
    1. _NortoN_
      _NortoN_ April 18 2016 09: 50
      0
      They started to supply s-300pmu1 to Iran, but for Syria it hurts oily such complexes wassat
      1. Talgat
        Talgat April 18 2016 17: 29
        0
        Syria simply has no money after the war. There will be Russian air defense and maybe Iran later, as it receives more from Russia, will put its
  4. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING April 18 2016 09: 44
    +1
    This is certainly good, but it would be impossible to transfer superfluous technologies together with these complexes.
  5. _NortoN_
    _NortoN_ April 18 2016 09: 47
    +1
    ourselves would have more of these
  6. Dam
    Dam April 18 2016 09: 51
    +1
    The more with 400 it is on combat duty, the less partners have the opportunity to plant slander in the world.
  7. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets April 18 2016 09: 52
    +8
    First you need to saturate your air defense forces, and only then think about export. And narrow-eyed should not be sold at all, these helmets will be dismantled to a screw and their clones will rivet.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 18 2016 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Arctidian
      they will take apart these helmets to a screw and begin to rivet their clones.

      They are already sculpting, it seems like, but in fact, not that. Their problem is that production chains cannot be copied, for this it is necessary to be able to repeat all the technological processes, and this is unrealistic.
      Plus, as a colleague correctly noted above, Error, The software also needs to be copied, but it is stopudovo tailored for a specific hardware plus encryption - also a non-trivial task.
      You can, of course, borrow some ideas, but then you get IT.
      Despite the fact that IT looks similar to C-300, IT is inferior in its characteristics very significantly - even it does not reach C-XNUMPPMU.
      (HQ-9)
      1. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga April 18 2016 10: 25
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        They are already molded, it seems, but in fact it is not.

        It's a delusion No. The Chinese have quite successfully copied the X-NUMX-C-90P supplied to them from the beginning, and even compete with us in the global arms market.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 18 2016 10: 44
          +2
          We copied: the scheme of the complex, the scheme of the rocket, launch. At the time of copying, the possibilities of Chinese electronics were higher than in the copying facility. The hardest part is software and anti-jamming. But this is a leap for Chinese industry. S-400 is a processing of the S-300, taking into account new electronics and network capabilities.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 51
            -1
            Exactly! Chinese, for example, HQ-16-copy of Russian Beech on the Chinese (more advanced, modern serial) element base !!! Considering, of course, network-centrism ....
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 18 2016 10: 44
          0
          We copied: the scheme of the complex, the scheme of the rocket, launch. At the time of copying, the possibilities of Chinese electronics were higher than in the copying facility. The hardest part is software and anti-jamming. But this is a leap for Chinese industry. S-400 is a processing of the S-300, taking into account new electronics and network capabilities.
        3. Gray brother
          Gray brother April 18 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          The Chinese quite successfully copied the S-90P delivered to them from the beginning of the 300s

          The Chinese complex has a maximum firing range of about 125 km, the height of the target being hit is 18000 m, the average range of destruction is from 7 to 50 km at altitudes of 1000 to 18000 m, the minimum height of destruction is 25 m, the range of destruction of ballistic targets is from 7 to 25 km at altitudes 2000 to 15000 m, maximum missile overload when maneuvering 22g.

          C-300PMU-1
          The affected area, km:
          aerodynamic goals:
          in range
          5 - 150
          in height
          0.01 - 27

          ballistic goals:
          in range
          5 - 40
          in height
          2 - 25
          1. Bongo
            Bongo April 18 2016 12: 42
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            C-300PMU-1
            The affected area, km:
            aerodynamic goals:
            in range
            5 - 150
            in height
            0.01 - 27
            ballistic goals:
            in range
            5 - 40
            in height
            2 - 25


            In fact, the capabilities of C-300ПМ and HQ-9 / HQ-9А are comparable. Whether you like it or not, but according to information published during the Turkish tender, the range of destruction of the Chinese complex is 200 km, and the missile defense capabilities to combat OTP are similar to Russian ones.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother April 18 2016 13: 34
              -2
              Quote: Bongo
              and the destruction range of the Chinese complex is 200 km

              At the same time, the radar has a target detection range of 120 km, and capture from 90 km.
              And the rocket can fly to 200, yes.
              http://bastion-karpenko.ru/hq-9-fd-2000/
              1. Bongo
                Bongo April 18 2016 13: 41
                +3
                Quote: Gray Brother
                At the same time, the radar has a target detection range of 120 km, and capture from 90 km.
                And the rocket can fly to 200, yes.
                http://bastion-karpenko.ru/hq-9-fd-2000/

                Dear, before scattering the minuses, the data on the HQ-9A guidance radar look fool In addition, for those already in service with the HQ-9 air defense system, there are missiles with AGSN.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother April 18 2016 13: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Dear, before scattering the cons

                  I did not scatter anything. request
                  The structure of the air defense system of this type includes a multifunctional radar station (radar) for illumination and guidance of the HT-233 mobile base. Its antenna device is a phased antenna array with digital beam position control. The X-band radar's viewing area is 360 ° in azimuth and from 0 to 65 ° in elevation. The maximum detection range of air targets is 120 km, tracking - 90 km. At the same time, more than 100 targets are detected, capture and tracking - more than 50 targets.

                  In addition, there is a radar for detecting low-flying targets, designed to detect and measure the coordinates of targets at low altitudes in a complex jamming environment, including cruise missiles with small reflective surfaces. This mobile-based radar operates in the L-band.

                  It should be noted that the HQ-9 (HQ-9A) air defense system controls are compatible with the S-300P air defense systems, which allows them to be deployed in any combination. According to the PLA leadership, with the help of these systems, the most important facilities in Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin, Hebei Province, as well as the Pearl River and Yangtze Delta are protected. Regional air defense systems are being created that will have some capabilities to intercept ballistic targets.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo April 18 2016 14: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    I did not scatter anything.

                    Well, it's on your conscience. request
                    Why do you quote extracts from Karpenko’s publication to me? Is he true in the last resort? No. For that matter, frank jambs in his publications and inaccuracies sometimes also occur. With the same success, I can begin to quote excerpts from my own articles, and what will it prove?
                    The information you provide on HQ-9 is approximately 10 a year ago, for the export version. Do you really believe that since then nothing has changed in the PRC and new radars and missiles have not appeared?
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother April 18 2016 18: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Bongo
                      The information you provide on HQ-9 is approximately 10 years old, for the export version.

                      Perhaps by now they have grown to, again, the export version, PMU2.
                      So what?
                      They will pick S-400 for another 10 years and produce their mutants claiming that this is a "cheaper analogue"
                      The Turks have not in vain abandoned the Chinese complexes.
                      1. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga April 19 2016 06: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Perhaps by now they have grown to, again, the export version, PMU2.
                        So what?

                        Do not worry ... You really decide what you write, and then you read and how you did not write it request
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        They are already molded, it seems, but in fact it is not.

                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Despite the fact that IT looks similar to C-300, IT is inferior in its characteristics very significantly - even it does not reach C-XNUMPPMU.
                        (HQ-9)

                        Maybe we should be consistent and not wishful thinking?
                    2. Karlovar
                      Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 31
                      +2
                      For example, over the past 10 years, the PRC economy has tripled (!!!!) ... And, mainly, due to the high-tech sector! And it’s stupid to think that they have not grown up qualitatively in all sectors, including in the military-industrial complex! We will find out everything in 2019, the Chinese will announce everything ... And Putin will also surprise the world that year ....
            2. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 25
              0
              They already have HQ-9B .... I'm not talking about the situation with the development of HQ-19, HQ-26, HQ-29 ... Well, the "patrons" don't like everything, including the information published during the Turkish tender with a range of 200 km. and anti-missile capabilities to combat OTR, similar to the Russian ones (moreover, the Chinese put up HQ-9, not HQ-9B for the Turkish tender) ... "Patreys" will not like the fact that the Turkish economy is comparable to the Russian one! Less, but comparable, with a population 2 times less, the territory is 20-30 times smaller, with an almost complete lack of natural resources ...
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 07
            0
            The official GDP of China (Hong Kong and Macau right there, for they also belong to China) is $ 11 trillion .... Analysts estimate the shadow sector of China from 1 to 2 trillion dollars (equal to the Russian economy, on average! ) ... Many analysts consider the official GDP of the PRC to be underestimated, while the real GDP is estimated by analysts in the region of 14-16 trillion dollars .... And the official military budget of China is also considered underestimated once and a half times on average ... That is, from here, that should? It follows that China is encrypted (conspiracy, secrecy has not been canceled during the war, and now there is a real world economic (raw, commercial, technological, financial) war) for the time being, until the time ... Until 2019 .... In 2019 China will announce everything as it really is in the year ... Many will not like the new alignment of forces in the world .... And the year 2019 is not just numbers, the Chinese elite lives on the space calendar (code of changes) ....
        4. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 46
          0
          They blinded the analogue of TorM2 (HQ-17) more abruptly (recognized by Russian developers !!!), and Russian designers helped them in this. BukM2 analog (HQ-16) was also created with Russian help, they write that it can be even a decent air defense system. And they already have HQ-16B ... HQ-9B cannot be bad, because Russia sold them a license (technical documentation) for the S-300 (HQ-10, an upgraded version of HQ-15) ...
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 18 2016 21: 32
        -1
        The characteristics of HQ-9 (there is already HQ-9B) shared with you in the GSh PLA of China shared ????? Or in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???? Given that the entire military of the PRC is under lock and key !!!!
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 April 18 2016 10: 04
    +2
    Um ... The fact that they show interest in our complexes is good ...

    Only I did not understand this phrase in the article: "But special attention was drawn to the unmatched S-400 system deployed in Khmeimim after the attack on the Russian Su-24"...

    It seems that the complex did not participate in hostilities ...

    The fact that, as it were, "in absentia, remotely" "landed" Turkish aviation - yes ... But this is a purely psychological effect ...
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    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 18 2016 11: 00
      +1
      Well, you have to somehow justify, from a financial point of view, the costs in Syria. In fact, naturally to the S-400, there has long been increased demand without any operation. About the contracts from the Syrian operation, one verbiage is nothing signed, except for the supply of Su-32 to Algeria, but Algeria is our old partner and Syria has nothing to do with it at all
    3. Leto
      Leto April 18 2016 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: weksha50
      oh, that, as it were, "in absentia-remotely" "landed" Turkish aviation - yes

      Touchdown facts can lead?
      Quote: weksha50
      It seems that the complex did not participate in hostilities ...

      For sure, neither the S-300 nor the S-400 took part in the hostilities NEVER.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 18 2016 12: 11
        +4
        Quote: Leto
        Touchdown facts can lead?


        What, nothing to complain about or nothing to write about ???

        Read my comment carefully ... "landed" - written in quotes ...

        However, with the establishment of the complex at the airbase in Khmeimim, the Turkish aviation sharply got sick of flying ... Why didn't they "land" ???
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 18 2016 10: 09
    0
    Quote: Arctidian
    And narrow-eyed should not be sold at all, these helmets will be dismantled to a screw and their clones will rivet.


    This is not a Rubik's cube, disassemble-assemble-everything-ready. They won SU-35 instead of 2 pieces 24 bought. Until they disassemble and assemble, the T-50 will already be in the series for a long time, so it costs "only" 100 million. And S-400 500 (!) Mln. and then give-give. They get tired of cloning.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian April 18 2016 10: 23
      +2
      Disassembling and copying is not tricky, only everything is much more complicated. Even if you copied the units and from the outside everything is "beautiful", then even such a moment as copying special alloys will take years of long and painstaking work of a group of specialists and no one guarantees the result 100%. And this information is reliable, believe me. wink
      1. Sharky
        Sharky April 18 2016 10: 39
        0
        That's right. A chip is usually filled with epoxy. So, you won’t even understand the element base which one is used there. It will no longer be possible to pick out, as well as measure the parameters (currents, voltages) on the microcircuit. I think that the KB has worked well to ensure that the technology does not float away. IMHO.
      2. grandson of the hero
        grandson of the hero April 18 2016 10: 57
        +1
        That's right. You can copy the details. That's just (as an example) no one can make a gearbox from the Kruzak of the past generation. What there - disassembled, look and do. But shish. ;-)
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 44
          -1
          The Americans copied the "Kid" from the Germans ... The USSR copied the loaf from the same Germans ... And the Germans to this day do not have loaves and ICBMs ..., an incident .... Exactly the same situation in missile and space technology happened. ... Bottom line: the gloomy German genius (unconditionally a real genius) theoretically developed yadren-loaves and missiles, and embodied mediocrity from the USA, USSR, Britain, France, Israel and, oh, uzhos, from China, India, Pakistan, North. Korea .....
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 18 2016 10: 29
      0
      Quote: iliitch
      They won the SU-35 instead of 2 pieces 24 bought.

      24 purchased with a margin, some may be taken apart, and some will be sent to the islands in the South China Sea in order to drive the American Poseidons and Destroyers.
  10. Leto
    Leto April 18 2016 11: 31
    +1
    At the expense of China, yes, they will buy something, because no one else sells them anything, they have nowhere to go, they depend on us in this regard.
    But at the expense of India, I would not run ahead, there the grandmother said for two, everyone expected Modi to sign a contract in Moscow, but no.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 46
      0
      Modi and the Americans can buy a similar ....
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 18 2016 11: 53
    0
    Honored, Lord, have survived! In the beginning, armament to their troops, then for sale. If only they did not replay, if only some EBNoGorbachev had not appeared in the Kremlin, then it would be more fun to live.
  12. nrex
    nrex April 18 2016 13: 15
    0
    All weapons sold for export come with significantly reduced characteristics. Therefore, it is necessary to sell. Another thing is that there is not enough capacity for the production of these products, and the country needs to replace the S-300. So it would be possible to sell replaced S-300s for export, but their characteristics may be too good for export. First, these products must be brought to export performance characteristics, but this also takes time and resources of the same enterprise.
    The conclusion suggests itself is an increase in the number of enterprises or an increase in capacity for the production and modernization of export options.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 50
      -1
      And with greatly reduced characteristics, who will buy something ??? Do you personally buy a Landcruiser200 with much cut down to, Lada Vesta, characteristics for the original price ?????
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 April 18 2016 13: 33
    0
    "There is a huge number of people willing to buy them, but it is another matter that we cannot give them to everyone and, accordingly, we will not supply everyone, because the priority is, first of all, the Russian army"

    Exactly, here it is necessary to think twice and thrice, but is it worth putting the commercial benefit before the priorities of the defense security of our country.
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 18 2016 15: 03
    0
    Quote: Siberian
    copying special alloys will take years of long and painstaking work of a group of specialists, and no one guarantees the result of 100%. And this information is reliable, believe me.

    Hit 100%. Moreover, the technological processes of manufacturing both alloys and products from them without prom. no espionage.
  15. Megatron
    Megatron April 18 2016 18: 35
    0
    I think neither China nor India are good options
    - Chinas copy and start selling themselves
    - Indians will demand licensed production.

    Fuck these "partners".
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 18 2016 22: 51
      -1
      Prala! To be friends with Americans and Lithuanians !!!