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To create a new Tu-160, all Russian design bureaux had to combine their efforts

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To create a new Tu-160, all Russian design bureaux had to combine their efforts


In early March, it was announced the modernization of the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) them. S.P. Gorbunova and the beginning of work on the restoration of the production of supersonic strategic bombers Tu-160 in a new modification. The agreement on cooperation between the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) and the Republic of Tatarstan was concluded at a meeting of UAC President Yuri Slusarius and Tatarstan President Rustam Minnikhanov. Assistant to the President of the Republic of Tatarstan on the airline complex Ravil Zaripov in an interview with the publication “Real Time” said that in April there would be builders in KAZ to begin upgrading the enterprise. Also announced that the project to resume production of Tu-160 will be exceptional in terms of the degree of cooperation within the KLA. "For the first time in stories domestic aviation engineers of almost all the leading schools - Tupolev, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Beriev, Mikoyan - are assembled and work in the same team, ”said Valery Solozobov, Deputy General Director of Tupolev for Design, Research and Development, Design and Development.

HEAVYLAND TU-160 LOSSES


The discussion about whether the country needs heavy strategic bombers has been going on since the days of Nikita Khrushchev, who, as we know, sympathized with the missile method of delivering a nuclear warhead to the "consumer". Around the creation and production of the Tu-160 went the same discussions, they do not stop now, and not only here, but also in the United States. Until recently, there was a certain concept of creating an absolutely new aviation complex to replace the “strategists” fleet of the Russian VKS. However, last year the idea of ​​producing the updated Tu-160 was adopted.

At present, the 16 aircraft are in service with the VKS of Russia, while they were produced twice as much. Almost half of the aircraft produced fell victim to the collapse of the USSR. The aircraft were in Ukraine, and part of them was just sawn. Eight Tu-160 managed to save from cutting. Russia exchanged debts of Ukraine for gas for airplanes. The latest Tu-160 from KAZ production was transferred to the military in 2008. And until recently there was, in fact, no coherent and importantly realistic concept for the development of long-range bomber aviation.

According to open sources, Tu-160 did not take part in hostilities until a decision was made about an operation in Syria. The strategic missile-carriers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS fired 34 air-launched cruise missiles at the targets of the militants of the terrorist organization IG banned in the Russian Federation. After completing the assignment, the “strategists” successfully returned to their airfields.

NEW TU-160 - “UNITED” BOMBER


According to Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, before 2020, 10 of such aircraft will be supplied to the Russian Aerospace Forces. “The Tu-160М2 differs from its predecessor in a fundamentally new on-board electronics complex and a set of weapons,” said Borisov. - The Tu-160 in the M2 version will be a completely new aircraft with a new onboard radio-electronic equipment, but with the old look of the airframe. Its effectiveness will increase in 2,5 times compared with its predecessor. " It is worth noting that the airframe of more than a quarter of the aircraft will consist of titanium alloys. The key unit made from them is the central beam and turning units with a total weight of several tons. Modernized technologies will allow manufacturing large-sized aggregates from titanium alloys.

The aircraft will be produced, as before, at the aircraft plant in Kazan, which, in particular, will be modernized for this project, but practically all the aviation design bureaus in our country will take part in the preparation of the project. This level of cooperation is exceptional for the domestic aviation industry. Also for the first time, UAC will carry out a full production cycle within the corporation. In the year of its 10 anniversary, the corporation has reached a degree of integration that allows you to create products in close cooperation of the enterprises belonging to the KLA.

By the beginning of work on the project, UAC united all design offices and factories into a single information space. The work on the creation of a single "virtual" design bureau was completed. It included the workplaces of designers who perform a single task, located approximately on 40 various sites - aircraft construction design bureaus and factories-subcontractors.

Specially for the project of the new Tu-160, work was done to protect data exchange channels, a single network was set up in centralized corporate applications, and design and engineering data was exchanged. There are additional requirements for bandwidth and security of information transmitted in a single environment.

“Within a very short period of time, we have to create new design documentation for the aircraft modernization project,” said UAC general designer Sergey Korotkov. - When implementing the project, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, UAC and enterprises of the holding company agreed on a new way of organizing work. We are confident that we can achieve a better result. ”

NEW TASKS WILL HELP TO KNOW THE KAZ FROM THE CRISIS


"White Swans" at the Kazan plant receive a second life. Photos provided by the United Aircraft Corporation

“This is a new breath for our aircraft factory,” Rustam Minnikhanov expressed hope and stressed that Tatarstan has always been an aviation republic. “Tu-160 is a colossal project that was not in the history of the post-Soviet aviation industry. This concerns not only the resources that are planned to attract, but also the technological challenges that we face, restoring production that was interrupted by 22 a year ago ... In Soviet times, the Kazan Aviation Plant was the flagship of the aircraft industry, but later, in a number of positions, it lost the possibilities of high-tech production. But today he is worthy of paying attention to him, ”noted Yuri Slusar. According to Minnikhanov, 20 Tatarstan enterprises, including KamAZ, KVZ, companies of the radio-electronic industry, as well as scientific and educational structures will participate in the cooperation.

Today, the plant repairs and modernizes Tu-22М3 and Tu-160 rocket-carrier bombers, and also builds special Tu-214 passenger variants for government customers. Production volumes are small. To enter new production volumes, the company must seriously modernize. According to official data, it is planned to spend several tens of billions of rubles on the re-equipment of the plant in 2016 – 2020, which is comparable to the costs of starting a new production (in Soviet times).

In any case, when the program is launched and will be implemented, for Kazan this is only a plus. The production program of the new Tu-160 will enable KAZ to tighten the technological level, create hundreds of jobs and ensure stable loading for many years to come.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2016 06: 13
    +12
    Still flying, white swan! And new cars will give the way to heaven, people will give! And the more we have such cars, the calmer for the security of the state.
    1. seti
      seti April 17 2016 08: 32
      +8
      The most important thing, but only that the production of TU-160 will be restored. It is very pleasing that the enterprise will be modernized and an impetus to new projects and ideas will be given. The welfare of people working in the enterprise and various industries tied to it. Our engineers and workers will receive invaluable mushrooms. I hope that new technologies will find their niche and application in the passenger aircraft industry. With God guys.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy April 17 2016 11: 40
        +8
        To create a new Tu-160, all Russian design bureaux had to combine their efforts

        It seems to me that the current PR people still need to be more modest - not the creation of a new Tu 160, but the modernization. Tu 160 was still created by Soviet designers, we still use their achievements. The consolidated design bureau is by no means a new sensation; under the leadership of Lavrentiy Palych, temporary design bureaus were created from the staff of many ministries to work on an important project, and in real life, and not now, in the virtual, which, in principle, doesn’t matter if only it works effectively .
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin April 17 2016 11: 47
          +1
          To create a new Tu-160, all Russian design bureaux had to combine their efforts

          Well, damn it? Weak? Create such a car? Here you are not here. The Soviet Union is not the CIS for you, it’s even funny ... You don’t even know what fuel it flies on, and yet, no one else in the world built anything like this
          nothing like never and no where.
          1. region58
            region58 April 17 2016 14: 07
            0
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            nobody else in the world built anything like this
            nothing like never and no where.

            Have you heard anything about the B-1B Lancer? And if we consider that there are more than sixty of them in the ranks, then the production of TU-160 is more than urgent.
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin April 17 2016 14: 51
              0
              Have you heard anything about the B-1B Lancer?

              The initial version of the aircraft, B-1A, was developed back in the early 1970s, but production was discontinued after the first 4 prototypes were made. In 1980, the B-1B was created on the basis of the B-1A as a low-altitude air defense breakthrough aircraft. The B-1B entered service with the U.S. Air Force in 1985.
              In 1998, the aircraft received a baptism of fire during Operation Desert Fox and during the NATO operation in Kosovo the following year. The aircraft also takes part in military operations of the USA and NATO in Iraq and Afghanistan. The B-1B represents the supersonic component of US long-range aviation, along with the subsonic B-52 and B-2 Spirit
              BUT not one Amer’s plane can ever be compared in reliability with the Soviet one. Have you heard about the quality mark?
              And how many B1-B are in service with our "probable friends" and we have?
              1. region58
                region58 April 17 2016 18: 16
                +1
                Quote: sergeybulkin
                Have you heard about the quality mark?

                Not only heard ... I myself was made in the USSR. I know, they did a lot on conscience.
                Quote: sergeybulkin
                And how many B1-B are in service with our "probable friends" and we have?

                If you believe the wiki, then 64. One to four is not in our favor. Why I say that the issue of production is super-relevant.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC April 17 2016 21: 22
                  +1
                  Lancers had serious problems, some could not be solved.
            2. 73bor
              73bor April 17 2016 17: 02
              +2
              B-1B to Tu-160 how to dig a metro to China, except for simple bombs there is simply nothing substantial on it!
              1. region58
                region58 April 17 2016 18: 27
                +2
                Quote: 73bor
                B-1B to Tu-160 how to dig a metro to China, except for simple bombs there is simply nothing substantial on it!

                Yes, I don’t argue. Only the issue of quantity is very acute. Yes, and they are constantly being compared - they say one class of machine. And the AGM-158 JASSM seems to be a good thing.
                PS It turns out that Ukraine during the collapse of the USSR got 19 pieces - more than Russia. Well, at least not everyone managed to cut it. Radishes ...
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 17 2016 13: 00
        +3
        Quote: seti
        The most important thing but only that the production of TU-160 will be restored. It is very pleasing that the enterprise will be modernized and an impetus to new projects and ideas will be given.

        The TU-160M2 will be a completely different bomber than the Swans during the construction of the USSR. In this case, technologies and systems that will subsequently go to PAK DA will be developed.
        But in fairness it should be noted that the purchase of such machines is not at all a cheap pleasure and this must be understood.
        1. kori
          kori April 17 2016 19: 01
          0
          So this is just one of the reasons why they decided to update the Tu-160. Development and running-in technologies for use in the design and manufacture of PAK DA. Otherwise, to do all this from scratch, and this is a lot of trouble and a lot of unnecessary mistakes ..
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 17 2016 09: 58
      +3
      “For the first time in the history of domestic aviation, engineers from almost all the leading schools — Tupolev, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Beriev, Mikoyan — are assembled and work in the same team,” said Valery Solozobov, Deputy General Director of Design, Research and Development, Design and Development and Development.

      The fact that production works in cooperation is a big plus, but
      that for the reproduction, albeit a modernized model of the aircraft
      you have to combine all the remaining KB - this is a SIGN! And the sign is alarming!
      Another sign of the consequences of the 90s of the collapse of unique engineering forges
      domestic design bureaus that produced carcasses and ILs of all kinds of models!
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      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev April 17 2016 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        for reproduction, although the modernized model of the aircraft has to combine all the remaining design bureaus - this is a SIGN! And the sign is alarming!


        I absolutely agree with you. It seems that there are no qualified youth (engineers). Even if young people appeared, then they need 5-7 years, a minimum, to turn into a thinking designer.
        So we decided to collect more or less intelligent specialists 55 - 65 years old from all design bureaus into one "virtual" design bureau.
        God grant that this idea is fulfilled.
        1. Ustinov 055 055
          Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 16: 35
          0
          Very few designers, I now have a relationship with certain AVIA products and I know what the problem is with personnel. Often they simply do not exist, grandfathers have to be lured
        2. Ustinov 055 055
          Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 16: 35
          0
          Very few designers, I now have a relationship with certain AVIA products and I know what the problem is with personnel. Often they simply do not exist, grandfathers have to be lured
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 April 17 2016 15: 29
        +5
        This is a sign that the Tupolev Design Bureau is not capable of overpowering the project itself. It is a fact. Therefore, the help of more successful kb is needed. Well, and so on the receipt of new equipment and contracts you can see which kb in what condition. Personally, my opinion - I do not impose.
        Things are best with KB Sukhoi - thanks to the hated by all other KB Poghosyan. bully SU-30M2, SU-30SM, SU-35S and Su-34 actively enter the VKS. Plus, the modernization of Su25, Su27 and a bit of Su24, which the truth will be removed from service to saturate the VKS Su34. Plus a lot of export contracts, plus T50, which will soon begin to go to the VKS, plus superjets, which have already been sold a lot.
        Things are going well with Ilyushintsev (Il-76MD-90A, on the way il 112, year to 2019 il 114 and probably upgraded il96). In general, they will have to replace Antonovtsev with import, which means that there will be enough work.
        KB Mil and Kamov are also feeling quite well - and there are enough orders at home and they are sending them for export. Import substitution is again taking place in Ukrainian components.
        KB Yakovleva is also in order - the Yak 130 is being actively purchased, ms21 should take off this year. And import substitution ms21 is something. The most extensive piece of civil aviation - only in our country 450-500 medium-haul passenger airplanes fly, and something is being thrown for export.
        KB MiG is worse. They will obviously not have large orders from the Moscow Region for a moment - they will most likely buy it to the regiment so that the aircraft has an export perspective, but it is unlikely to be massive. This piece of Sukhoi Design Bureau is depressed. PM modernization MIG 35, moment 29 and deck moment 31k, which will not be many, because we have only one Kuzya. Well, the contracts for the development of a new interceptor. Not much. But no orders - no development.
        Tupolev Design Bureau did not produce anything in serious volumes for a long time - so they threw orders to support them. But now, in my opinion, they have a good chance of an increase in connection with the decision to produce the Tu160m2, the modernization of those Tu160, Tu22m3 and Tu95 ms, which is up to Tu160m, Tu22m3m and Tu95msm. In my opinion, the modernization of KAZ shows that the state is ready to invest in Tupolevites.
        Well, what Berievtsi, who still have not passed Be200 to the customer, can especially help the Tupolevites - I myself can help them at the time.
        1. yehat
          yehat April 18 2016 17: 42
          0
          and you did not hear the word cooperation?
          why give the whole project to someone?
  2. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 17 2016 06: 14
    0
    I wonder if in the future the Tu-160 will fit as a carrier of anti-ship missiles? Since the Tu-22M3 is not eternal, and there are not very many of them left, and here also the phenomenal range and speed of flight.
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 17 2016 06: 23
    +1
    I would like to think that the developers went to the trick of the times of the USSR, namely, in order to get enough funding, the work was carried out under the guise of modernization, in the end, in fact, a new weapon was obtained despite a strong external similarity.
  4. itr
    itr April 17 2016 06: 41
    0
    damn or I did not understand something correctly or what
    10 rebels for reconstruction and a total of 10 aircraft to build ???????????? damn it is a little expensive in my opinion
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 17 2016 06: 58
      +4
      Quote: itr
      10 rebels for reconstruction and a total of 10 aircraft to build ???????????? damn it is a little expensive in my opinion

      The reconstruction of the plant will make it possible to produce not only the modernized Tu-160M2, but also other modern, including promising, machines. hi
    2. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz April 17 2016 07: 00
      +1
      They cram electronics there, comparable in power to small data centers, they will restore the resource and install new engines. Now a similar class of aircraft is comparable in complexity to a thread of a corvette, with much greater efficiency. Therefore, IMHO is very beneficial. wassat
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 17 2016 07: 20
      +4
      Quote: itr
      10 rebels for reconstruction and only 10 aircraft to build?

      So 10 lard goes to the reconstruction and modernization of KAZ! New equipment, production facilities ... In my opinion, it's worth it.
      10 modernized TU-160M2 - so this is only the first batch.
      At least 50 strategic Tu-160M2 bombers will be purchased for the Russian Air Force DA.
      This was stated by the Russian Air Force Group V. Bondarev at the ASHULUK training ground / Astrakhan Oblast /, May 28, 2015.
      He also said that "the reproduction of strategic Tu-160M ​​bombers will be carried out simultaneously with the creation of a new aircraft - PAK DA".
      http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2000506
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 17 2016 13: 05
        +4
        At least 50 strategic Tu-160M2 bombers will be purchased for the Russian Air Force DA.

        Even with the Union, only 27 cars were built. I believe that 50 cars will be purchased within 10 years, if the crisis, the lack of specialists, and the change of the country's leader in general, will not amend it.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 19 2016 12: 56
        +1
        I would probably have believed the grandmother on the bench more than Bondarev or Rogozin.
        Everything is so simple in words: he threw money and everything works.
        If only 10 were done, it would already be cool.
        That even if they launched.
    4. kuz363
      kuz363 April 17 2016 07: 49
      0
      Of course I misunderstood. "According to official data, it is planned to spend several tens of billions of rubles in 2016-2020 for re-equipping the plant." And for the very manufacture of aircraft, additional funds are needed.
    5. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev April 17 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: itr
      10 rebels for reconstruction and a total of 10 aircraft to build ???????????? damn it is a little expensive in my opinion

      Firstly, they (TU-160M2) are going to release at least 50 pieces. and,
      Secondly,

      Quote: Bayonet
      The reconstruction of the plant will make it possible to produce not only the modernized Tu-160M2, but also other modern, including promising, cars
  5. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys April 17 2016 07: 03
    +1
    Upgrading is certainly good. Well, what if you come up with something new? Do we, in modern Russia, have new Tupolevs?
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer April 17 2016 08: 51
      +1
      For this production and upgrade.
      To enter new production volumes, the enterprise must be seriously modernized. According to official figures, it is planned to spend several tens of billions of rubles on the re-equipment of the plant in 2016–2020, which is comparable to the cost of starting a new production (in Soviet times).
  6. demiurg
    demiurg April 17 2016 07: 29
    -1
    Quote: Mangel Alys
    Upgrading is certainly good. Well, what if you come up with something new? Do we, in modern Russia, have new Tupolevs?

    The development from scratch of an aircraft of this class is 5-7 years old only by OCD. Then at least 2-3 years for experimental samples. Establishment of mass production. All this is 10-12 years minimum. In any case, the Tu-160 upgraded will still serve 20-25 years, just as mass production of replacement is being established.
    1. Mangel olys
      Mangel olys April 17 2016 08: 01
      +2
      Well, when you need to start, right?
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. April 17 2016 08: 30
        +1
        Quote: Mangel Olys
        Well, when you need to start, right?

        Have you fallen from the moon? The development of PAK YES has been ongoing for a long time, I think, and the design documentation will be ready soon.
  7. tchoni
    tchoni April 17 2016 07: 49
    0
    I really do not like that this is all happening in Tatarstan. There are very strong nationalist and, I would even say, c
    separate moods ... And to give the powerful aviation industry to the second Chechnya - oh, how you don't want to. It seems that the same Voronezh aircraft plant would have coped with the task no worse.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni April 17 2016 09: 08
      0
      I love the cons without argumentation. It means in the priest sweeps, but say nothing
    2. hoot
      hoot April 17 2016 09: 16
      +2
      You are wrong with the assessment "nationalistic are strong and, I would even say,
      separate sentiments ... "What separatism? You say nationalistic, it all depends on what you mean by this. If about the fact that most (but not all) of the leadership positions have Tatar nationality, then yes. As in the entire Russian Federation all arrange relatives, friends, so there are more Tatars, because all the leadership was born sometime in the village. (in families including) the majority speak Russian. And note, the aviation industry in Kazan has always been strong, that way since the 40s of the twentieth century. 99% of the population and leadership do not support any national separatist views! !! Ps: did not put a minus.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 17 2016 09: 35
        0
        A strong aircraft industry does not negate certain ambitious. Regarding moods - I will say this, in conversations over a glass of tea I occasionally hear far from the last people of Tatar nationality that the separation of Tatarstan from Russia is good for the latter. Therefore, I say so.
        And in terms of language and culture, I will say this: they allow us to separate one nation from another. In Ukraine, the revolution is creaking because 90% of Ukrainians consider themselves Russian ... and they speak Russian. And they don’t understand how they differ from her. And in Tatarstan, 20 years of preparation is unnecessary. There are already separate people. with language and culture. All you need is a spark of ethnic hatred.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev April 17 2016 12: 28
          +2
          Quote: tchoni
          All you need is a spark of ethnic hatred.


          We started for health (TU-160M2), we want to finish for peace ???
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev April 17 2016 12: 28
          0
          Quote: tchoni
          All you need is a spark of ethnic hatred.


          We started for health (TU-160M2), we want to finish for peace ???
        3. 73bor
          73bor April 17 2016 17: 13
          +3
          We did this in the early 90s, were going to secede from Russia, but looked at the map (you won’t fly up into the air) and decided to stay! As we are without Tatars, so Tatars without Russians are nowhere! We have such a fate.
        4. Bramb
          Bramb April 18 2016 06: 21
          0
          My answer is short: look at the map.
          And such moods were there under Yeltsin. Well, other princes from neighboring regions poured them oil prices so that it was more profitable not to get it at all. We took a five-time fare from a car with Tatar numbers, etc. Equipped the fighters to Moscow ... then it was fun.
          You seem to live 20 years ago.))
        5. Blondy
          Blondy April 18 2016 06: 35
          0
          In my opinion, all these national ambitions develop to a certain stage in the development of the state. But when a strong empire begins to form from it, then nationalism fades away until separation — everyone wants to live in a strong state in which, like a stone wall, one could be proud of and spit on others to look down.
    3. K-50
      K-50 April 17 2016 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: tchoni
      I really do not like that this is all happening in Tatarstan. Nationalist and, I would even say, separate sentiments are very strong there.

      When people have something to do and what to feed their families with, they have no time for performances. And certainly not to nationalities, especially since there are so many of them all, you will get tired of sharing. Yes, and that crisis I believe, hyped up by mattresses at the sunset of the Soviet state, has passed; there is something for people to do. hi
    4. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 17 2016 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: tchoni
      I really do not like that this is all happening in Tatarstan. There are very strong nationalist and, I would even say, c

      The stronger the republic will be integrated into the common cause, the more jobs (highly qualified) in it, the less will be the maneuvers of nationalists and separatists. And the less educated and employed in the production the population of the republic will be, the more there will be bearded DEBYlov. And enough work for Voronezh; They decided to make a new super-heavy transporter, a tanker based on the Il-96, the same modernized 76th ones with Perm engines, where you need to clean it, and put all the eggs in one basket is worthless. So Voronezh alone is not enough if you seriously begin to develop aircraft manufacturing
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 17 2016 14: 30
        -1
        As our "friends" skakly say - "Nyakhay axis your devil is older! But in my horns!"
    5. 73bor
      73bor April 17 2016 17: 07
      0
      The fact that there are Wahhabist sentiments there is a fact, but Tatarstan itself is geographically isolated from the rest of the world, if it is complicated, it will be squeezed!
    6. Bramb
      Bramb April 18 2016 06: 17
      0
      You obviously were not in Tatarstan. Get information from an Internet?
      Tatars have long been Russian in mentality. They live, work, study, it makes no sense to separate.
      And about religion, I’ll tell one story. After negotiations at one factory, everyone went to a restaurant. They accepted not weak (yeah, Islam is the same !!))) Kazakh, who was with me, accepted the most and yelled about Alla. The Tatars silently took him and literally carried him out of the restaurant. They said no more to come with him.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 18 2016 10: 30
        0
        I visit regularly, therefore I speak. And well, I would have been raving about separation from collective farmers in a remote village ... And then from respectable people .. Directors, etc. ... Something like this ...
  8. demiurg
    demiurg April 17 2016 09: 01
    -1
    Quote: bistrov.
    Quote: Mangel Olys
    Well, when you need to start, right?

    Have you fallen from the moon? The development of PAK YES has been ongoing for a long time, I think, and the design documentation will be ready soon.

    For PAK-YES, tasks have not yet been formulated. How to break through air defense, at altitude or near the ground, in supersonic sound or quietly-slowly? What is he lucky in the compartments, what missiles?

    If there is someone who will give answers to these questions, then you can already think how he will look.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 17 2016 09: 31
      0
      Quote: demiurg
      supersonic or quietly slow?

      PakDa said it would be a subsonic stealth bomber, therefore it will replace the Tu-95, and the Tu-160M2 is a supersonic bomber.
      Quote: demiurg
      What is he lucky in the compartments, what missiles?

      Probably hypersonic Zircon, X-101/102, Gauges, etc.
  9. K-50
    K-50 April 17 2016 09: 20
    +3
    The Tu-160 in the M2 variant will be a completely new aircraft with new avionics, but with the old appearance of a glider. Its effectiveness will increase 2,5 times compared to its predecessor. "

    He also has gunpowder in powder flasks and berries ... he also has it in general.
    And then they shouted "new come on."
    If to restore production
    Almost all aviation design bureaus existing in our country will take part in the preparation of the project.

    then setting up a fundamentally new product for construction will not be an easy task, and we already do not have enough planes. So the modernized "old men" are "in the vein."
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 17 2016 09: 25
    +4
    It is necessary to raise not only the production of military aircraft, but also civilian.
    Selling officials ruined the production of civilian Russian aircraft to please Boeing and Airbus. But they would be competitively capable and in the world market, if there were no perestroika for the benefit of the West ...
  11. demiurg
    demiurg April 17 2016 09: 59
    -2
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: demiurg
    supersonic or quietly slow?

    PakDa said it would be a subsonic stealth bomber, therefore it will replace the Tu-95, and the Tu-160M2 is a supersonic bomber.
    Quote: demiurg
    What is he lucky in the compartments, what missiles?

    Probably hypersonic Zircon, X-101/102, Gauges, etc.

    And at what height will the air defense breakthrough occur?
    And how many tons will he be lucky?
    It can easily turn out that PAK-DA will more than replace the TU-22M3 in terms of take-off weight, load, and tasks.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev April 17 2016 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: demiurg
      And at what height will the air defense breakthrough occur?


      Why enter the air defense zone with long-range high-precision weapons?
  12. Verdun
    Verdun April 17 2016 11: 12
    0
    Modernization of the Tu-160 is wonderful. It is clear that PAK YES will not be as soon as some are trying to imagine. Meanwhile, the modernization work will allow to pull up design bureaus and production to the required level. That's just, knowing the Russian realities, it is necessary to carefully monitor that the allocated money goes into business, and not in any offshore.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 17 2016 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: Verdun
      knowing Russian realities, it is necessary to carefully monitor that the allocated money goes to business, and not to any offshore

      - all the money allocated by the State Defense Order is now "painted"

      Read about special accounts GOZ and the howl that commerce raised around them will amuse you, I guarantee ..
  13. isker
    isker April 17 2016 11: 51
    +1

    The fact that production works in cooperation is a big plus, but
    that for the reproduction, albeit a modernized model of the aircraft
    you have to combine all the remaining KB - this is a SIGN!


    Nothing like this!
    Now everything is just so complicated - and avionics and engines and sights and catapults and so on and so forth - everything has become a separate and very complex product, which simply cannot fit under one roof!
    Therefore, cooperation is the most reasonable and logical way out!
  14. Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 17 2016 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Read about GOZ special accounts and the howl that commerce raised around them, it will amuse you, I guarantee ..

    Read. Thank. hi
  15. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 April 17 2016 15: 45
    +1
    Quote: tchoni
    I love the cons without argumentation. It means in the priest sweeps, but say nothing


    No, stupid is simple. What is the argument? If you are doing stuffing.
  16. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K April 17 2016 19: 46
    -1
    Supersound, I said, Vova. And further down the list. And if someone croaks, tomorrow is not alive.
  17. propaganda NO
    propaganda NO April 18 2016 12: 15
    0
    Beautiful content of the article. The main thing is that all this plan should be realized, otherwise it will turn out to be a fantasy and an impossible task for the modern political system of the country.
  18. chatlanin60
    chatlanin60 April 18 2016 15: 03
    0
    It is advisable for the renewed White Swan to add as much as possible to the bearing body and the casing of composite materials, an interesting modification can be obtained.