Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov announced the need to think about replacing the An-124 Ruslan

Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told the media that the An-124 “Ruslan” aircraft, which is actively used today for the needs of the Ministry of Defense, will be replaced. At the same time, as reported by the news agency TASS, the wishes of not only the main military department of the country, but also potential civilian customers will be taken into account.

During the third congress of the Russian aircraft manufacturers, Yuri Borisov said:

In the near future we will have to seriously work on a promising aviation complex, I mean the super-heavy transport aircraft. We will have to think about how to create, in the interests of, first of all, the Ministry of Defense, and the civilian market, a sought-after aircraft.

To date, the largest transport aircraft operated by the Russian Ministry of Defense is An-124 Ruslan. The maximum flight range of the An-124 is 7,5 thousand km, the maximum payload capacity is 120 tons. In the structure of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Federation - 10 units An-124.

An-124 "Ruslan" - development of OKB im.O.K.Antonova. The first flight of the plane made in December 1982 year. In 1987, active operation of a heavy transport worker began, which for more than a year was the largest aircraft in size in the world.

Comments

[Altona]

Must be replaced. But as? The whole fan of conditionally lost technologies is immediately revealed. Construction of wide-bodied large-capacity, get and sign.

[Error]

You obviously lagged behind the news the engines are ready and the glider is a technical matter) and they will be more economical and low noise! And not only that, they will be universal on the entire line of passenger airliners, which means lower prices

[cniza]

Quote: Error

You obviously lagged behind the news the engines are ready and the glider is a technical matter) and they will be more economical and low noise! And not only that, they will be universal on the entire line of passenger airliners, which means lower prices

Somewhere around 7 years will be required, with normal funding.

[Throw]

7 years on what? For the first prototype or already for the required fleet?

Coconuts, for example, are not steamed on new and quietly upgrade their analogue of С5 Galaxy. And the fleet they have more than 100 cars. Compare the air mobility of troops ...

[AlexYa]

Do not forget - they have troops scattered across 180 countries. So compare mobility.

[ver_]

... bases are not troops. On the base something is stored and "guarded" is something of theirs warrant officers, with all the ensuing consequences .. There was one large and active base Pearl Harber in the distant past .. and the result was impressive .. after the raid ..

[Inok10]

Quote: cniza

Somewhere around 7 years will be required, with normal funding.

... somewhere like that ...

Quote: Lance

7 years on what? For the first prototype or already for the required fleet?
Coconuts, for example, are not steamed on new and quietly upgrade their analogue of С5 Galaxy. And the fleet they have more than 100 cars. Compare the air mobility of troops ...

... St. George ... ... for a technical project, the first flight prototype will also be required, the last infa from November 2015 ...

MOSCOW, November 10. / TASS /. The new Il-106 military transport aircraft being developed in Russia will be able to land on the ground, Sergei Velmozhkin, Director General of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex, said on November 10.
"This machine will be very large, 80-100 tons. The main difference is that it will be able to land on the ground," he said on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel. Velmozhkin noted that this aircraft will be of the An-124 Ruslan class.
Earlier, at the beginning of November, the general designer of "IL" Nikolay Talikov said that "by 2022-2023 it will be possible to speak seriously about the aircraft", and now a preliminary design is being developed.
More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2423318

... there’s no information about the engines ... except that the one that wasn’t checked about the NK-93 was being tested at the stands and IL-76 LL with the following characteristics:
Dimensions, mm:
5975 length
outer diameter 3150
fan diameter 2900
Dry weight, kg 3650
Bypass ratio 16,6
Specific fuel consumption in cruising mode, kg/kgf h 0,49
Air consumption in cruising mode, kg/s 1000
The degree of pressure increase in the compressor 37,0
Gas temperature in front of the turbine, °C -
Takeoff thrust, kgf 18000
Thrust in cruising mode, kgf 3300
The rotor speed, rpm -
Resource, hours:
assigned 15000
before the first overhaul of 7500
... with regards to modernization, the 124th seems to be shamanizing Ulyanovsk up to 150 tons, but there is no reliable information only rumors ... at the expense of air mobility, read Georgievsky’s moaning cry from NATO over their capabilities last year, after our sudden checks .. when 200 t and 1200 tsp It turned out to be at the other end of the country, the NATO, honestly admitted it would take them a month ...

[Throw]

The groans of NATO, that weeping psaki, about nothing.
Monk, you, too, better read how, for example, during the "Shield in the Desert" the Coconut strategic transport command there in 3 weeks dragged the C5s and Starlifters half a million heads of HP. and half a million tons of equipment. Half a millionCarl!
And no one moaned ..

About our checks and transfers, they drag mainly motorized infantry, and basically 76mi, and the article is about heavier vehicles. And as for them:

Do not forget - they have troops scattered across 180 countries. So compare mobility.

So we compare that the amers from all bases can drag more than 200 units of heavy equipment (tanks, self-propelled guns, air defense systems, Apaches, etc.) to the desired point. And we? 20.

You still cannot omit one fat nuance - the analogues of our 124x, their С5 Galaxy are equipped with air refueling systems. Those. he takes the maximum load and minimum fuel, and after take-off he saws even to Antaktida, sticking to the tankers.
And our dalnyaks are forced to lug with intermediate landings. There is no need to explain how this affects mobility, transported weight, flight complexity and machine resource.

So we remove the pink glasses from the nose, do not listen to the noodles from the ears and groans.

[Inok10]

Quote: Lance

Monk, you, too, better read how, for example, during the "Shield in the Desert" the Coconut strategic transport command there in 3 weeks dragged the C5s and Starlifters half a million heads of HP. and half a million tons of equipment. Half a million, Karl!

... Georgievsky ... you know me, I'm nasty and now I will start to write very unpleasant things ... firstly I do not see the source of information, and secondly we will calculate using sources ... how much what and when and how it was transported ... The source of information: http://old.vko.ru/article.asp?pr_sign=archive.2005.24.17_22
and went by dates and deeds of the past:
Preparations for the war in the Persian Gulf were carried out for five and a half months as part of Operation Desert Shield - three weeks!
At the first stage, which lasted from August 7 to 9, the first echelon forces were deployed to Saudi Arabia, consisting of a reinforced brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division, two tactical aviation squadrons (F-15C and D aircraft), a group of 5 aircraft AWACS and control (E-ZS AWACS aircraft and two teams (20 specialists each) of ground-based mobile satellite communications points. At the same time, ships of the 6th and 7th US fleets were redeployed to the Red and Arabian Seas, to the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf. - until one division is approximately 1500 tsp nothing outstanding ...
The second stage of the Desert Shield operation took place from August 10 to 30: there was an intensive transfer of aircraft to Saudi Arabia and the strengthening of the AUG continued. ... about personnel or anything ... 0 people 0 heavy equipment ...
... ah, now we come to the most interesting ...
During the third stage, which lasted from August 31 to November 7, by air and sea the main forces were transferred to the conflict area: 1st Armored Cavalry, 2nd Armored, 24th Mechanized, 82nd Airborne and 101st Air Assault Divisions; 197th separate mechanized brigade and 3rd separate armored regiment of the ground forces; 1st, 4th and 7th Marine Expeditionary Brigades ... oh, it turns out to be by sea, and not just by air ?! ... sadness ...
In the United States involved in the transport of troops and cargo 269 ​​US Navy Shipping Command Vessels and chartered vessels of merchant fleets (18 countries provided 50 merchant ships) Ports on the western and eastern coasts of the USA and in the Gulf of Mexico, the Hawaiian Islands, Japan, South Korea, Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium were used as transfer points.
Since the beginning of August, about 190 vessels have been involved in the transfer of troops, military equipment and MTO equipment to the conflict zone since the beginning of August, including: storage vessels for ships and military equipment of the Marine Corps - 13; storage vessels for weapons and military equipment for “rapid deployment forces” - 12; high-speed transports of self-propelled equipment - 8; vessels of the reserve of the ILC of the first stage - 43; aviation support vessels - 2; tankers - 18; hospital courts - 2; charter vessels under the American and foreign flags - 88. ... oh la la ... it turns out everything was by sea, not by air ... since Carl, was that? ... by air, like birds or even by sea? ... and don't say I'm nasty ...

[Throw]

Shchshcha .. I will find where I saw this info ..

[Throw]

So. Does the contrary have a calculator? )))
Here: http://testpilot.ru/usa/lockheed/c/5/c5.htm
I confuse the deadlines, for 22 days there are 4,6mln tons of kilometers. It is difficult to evaluate from this, as we do not know the routes.
But if we estimate the "gross cargo" at the lower border, for the entire operation time:
513 000 tons / 165 days, then this is more than 3000 tons per day .. Not 200 tons, but 3 (three) thousand, Karl ..

So the NATO operatives know how to quickly carry their junk, no matter how they groan there.

And for the most part in the transfer of heavy equipment, I already wrote. The fleet of transporters for us is specifically insufficient.

[Inok10]

Quote: Lance

So. Does the contrary have a calculator? )))
Here: http://testpilot.ru/usa/lockheed/c/5/c5.htm
I confuse the deadlines, for 22 days there are 4,6mln tons of kilometers. It is difficult to evaluate from this, as we do not know the routes.
But if we estimate the "gross cargo" at the lower border, for the entire operation time:
513 000 tons / 165 days, then this is more than 3000 tons per day .. Not 200 tons, but 3 (three) thousand, Karl ..

... St. George, St. George ... well, how so ... eh, oh well ... quote from your link:

In 1990, Lockheed strategic military transport aircraft during Operation Desert Shield took part in the creation of the world's largest air bridge. For 22 days, 265 C-141 Starlifter and C-5 Galaxy aircraft of the US Air Force, as well as the aircraft of the American Civil Aviation Reserve completed transportation in excess of 4,65 million ton-kilometers. In total, during the operation, BTA aircraft transported 482000 passengers and 513000 tons of cargo.

... did I read it right ?! or am I having a hallucination? ... as well as the aircraft of the American Civil Aviation Reserve... that's all Karl ... dry the boatswain oars ... dragged to everyone that can fly ...

Quote: Lance

So the NATO operatives know how to quickly carry their junk, no matter how they groan there.

... if they involve civil aviation ... then yes, of course ...

Quote: Lance

And for the most part in the transfer of heavy equipment, I already wrote. The fleet of transporters for us is specifically insufficient.

... few transporters, I agree ... but MBT doesn’t weigh 70 tons ... there is also a very interesting point here ... The S-5M will take on board 1 Abrams, and the 124th - 2 Armata ...

[Inok10]

P.S. ... Georgievsky ... that's so bad luck ... sclerosis of figs ... how is it?, How many mattress covers were transported per day? ... 3000 t.? ... in service with the VTA RF 26 boards 124x and we add 12 Volga-Dnepr boards as needed, a total of 38 boards 120 tons each. Total per day for one flight 38x120 = 4 560 t. ... this is not counting a single IL-76go ... let's drop the math, Friday ... Georgievsky ...

[Yars]

here maybe one of the projects

[Gray brother]

Quote: YARS

here maybe one of the projects

Rather, the IL-106.

Now the IL-106 project is at the stage of preliminary development. It will be an aircraft with a powerful engine, developed on the basis of the PD-14 engine, with a payload of 80 tons. Serial production of the IL-106 is planned to begin at Aviastar in 2022-23.

Dviglo:

[Aqela]

Some nonsense. One "gas engine" is it finally, technically, what the hell is that? What type of dviglov is it? ship gas turbine? or maybe a steam turbine with an atomic boiler as a steam generator?
Two electric propellers ... But what the hell is it anyway? To prevent the driveshaft and gearbox? So they are not on airplanes like a stop crane by the way The introduction to the turbine, instead of the gearbox, also includes an electric generator with electrical wiring and electric motors in the airplane, where every kilogram registered is an awesome find.
With this overall and transport volume, purely for reasons of reliability and safety, the engines should be the same or comparable 3-4, or even more.
In addition, the giant hump of a single type of gas engine hardly improves aerodynamics, while the immersion of electric drives in the wing, with huge "propellers", is the best gift for air defense: far away their "blinking" will be seen ...
So the movie is cool, but the design is clearly hopeless ... Perhaps even stupid.

[Alex777]

Looks like a distant bomber.
If PAK TA is done together with PAK YES, then this will probably happen.
But the cartoon is beautiful, valid. If they really do -

[Just BB]

So the cartoon is cool, but the design is clearly hopeless

Previously, even from the "m.a.i." in which case "zadornovs" were produced (without harm to aviation) now multipliers.
It would be okay about "Masha and the Bear", otherwise the people in PAK TA will really believe

[Jurkovs]

Quote: YARS

here maybe one of the projects

No, no and NO. The need to move oversized cargo to the hump has not disappeared. So, a bifurcated tail is required.

[Jurkovs]

Quote: Inok10

except that flashed not tested about NK-93

Forget about NK-93. He was not allowed to test until the end, but for today they have completely buried him. Very large diameter nacelle. The engines will be Perm, there now a whole line is being created on the basis of PD.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Lance

7 years for what?

Do you really suspect that it is enough to approach the kulman and all the drawings are already in the folders? Well, not to the Kuhlmann, but to the computer. There is such a good expression that quickly only rabbits breed.

[Throw]

It is not necessary to shine with knowledge in rabbit breeding, I well "suspect" all the cycles of launching the product into the series, and nira, and okra, etc.

And the drawings are not in folders, but in tubes

[Makarov]

7 years for an experimental model, everything else depends on the design and capacity at which the potential aircraft will be produced ....

[Lukich]

Quote: Lance

Compare the air mobility of troops ...

Well, where are we going to transfer troops? to Australia? Yes, it seems that our military doctrine does not provide for preemptive wars. and we successfully manage on our territory what we have. numerous teachings prove this. but of course this does not mean that new cars are not needed. but it is not catastrophic

[Error]

Hello son, read the news about the superjet and other engines in the series

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Error

Hello son, read the news about the superjet and other engines in the series

Hello, Error (Delusion, Deviation, Mismatch, Sin, Wandering, Evasion, or whatever), maybe you need the "Censor" !!! Did you hear anything about PD-14?

[sa-ag]

Quote: Voha_krim

Did you hear anything about PD-14?

It’s not good, the maximum take-off thrust is 15,3 tons, while the D-18T Ruslan has 23,5 tons, the NK-32 seems to be like they wanted to fit Ruslan into the nacelle

[NEXUS]

Quote: sa-ag

NK-32 seemed to fit into Ruslan’s nacelle

They wanted to, but if sclerosis does not change me, at the moment they are trying to modernize the NK-32, under the "new" Swans.

[max702]

PD-14 plans to scale and design on its basis an engine analog of NK-32 in terms of performance, and in the future this engine is planned to be installed on the An-124 and IL-96, AND IN A TWO-ENGINE OPTION! let's hit the road! Its economic component will be archived .. It is precisely after launching the PD-96 series that the main efforts of the design bureau will be directed ..

[BilliBoms09]

The structure of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Federation - 10 units of An-124.

It is high time! In the Union, Military Transport Aviation could, in a short time, deploy almost all airborne forces to anywhere in the world. And now, for how much can the airborne division be transferred at least within the country?

[Inok10]

Quote: BilliBoms09

It is high time! In the Union, Military Transport Aviation could, in a short time, deploy almost all airborne forces to anywhere in the world. And now, for how much can the airborne division be transferred at least within the country?

... it’s not so bad, the wake is clearly premature ... in 1-2 days from one end of the country to the other more than 200 tons and 1200 tsp ... quote from 2014:

"Aircraft of the Military Transport Aviation (VTA) from the Severny loading airfields in Ivanovo, Vostochny in Ulyanovsk, Tolmachevo in Novosibirsk and the Chkalovsky near Moscow flew to the airfields of the Eastern Military District," the ministry's press service said.
Checking the combat readiness of the troops of the Eastern Military District.
Verification of combat readiness of the Eastern Military District began in Primorye
As specified in the message, more than 20 An-124 Ruslan, Il-76, An-26 and An-12 aircraft were involved in the transfer of troops, which made more than 10 sorties per day to deliver military and equipment to these airfields. In total, the Il-76 and An-124 Ruslan planes carried out more than 30 sorties, transported about 200 tons of cargo and more than 1 personnel.
RIA News http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140914/1024002263.html#ixzz45u4oUKV2

... NATO then only saliva came and honestly admitted that they would do the same month ...

[BilliBoms09]

... not so bad, the commemoration is clearly premature ... for 1-2 days from one end of the country to the other more than 200 t. and 1200 tsp ... quote from 2014:

I’m not saying that "chief, everything is lost, everything is lost," I am saying how it was in the Union and how things are now. And yet, with all due respect, 1200 people are not a division or even a brigade, but a regiment.

[Throw]

That's it. And I wrote even higher.

PS. Fear Danians, bringing gifts and NATO, outgoing saliva

[Inok10]

Quote: BilliBoms09

I’m not saying that "chief, everything is lost, everything is lost," I am saying how it was in the Union and how things are now.

... but what is left of the Country? ... a counter question ... well, they would have been lying on the stove and not blowing a mustache ... so we barely extinguished the fire, extinguished the last 15 years ... but, how is it after the fire, like in the Fairy Tale with milk rivers and jelly banks ? ... well, maybe even as there is half the ashes ... a hint ... so that the comparisons are correct ... I hope no offense ...

Quote: Lance

That's it. And I wrote even higher.

PS. Fear Danians, bringing gifts and NATO, outgoing saliva

... go my soft breads to our song above, there is a letter to you with Love and Respect ...

[Aqela]

I didn’t understand something, or there were problems with arithmetic ... 20 planes made 10 sorties, and 10-15 made only 30.
Hmm ... If it’s about sorties, then for 20 cars 10 sorties Somehow not impressive ... If each plane has 10 sorties ... I do not think that one plane from Moscow or Ulyanovsk to the Far East will fly back and forth 10 times a day ... Besides, if 10 Ruslans at carrying capacity 120 tons transported 200 tons ... Nifigase! 20 tons each instead of 120 ... Somehow strange ... Besides, if my sclerosis does not change me, when installing the second passenger deck "Ruslik" could easily take about 600 hours per horsepower into one ... And what did all the other listed transports do then?
In short, if you don’t count, all the numbers do not stick to one another. Either the person who prepared the message is a complete half-wit, or the ears of a dead donkey stick out somewhere ...

[neri73-r]

BilliBoms09 RU Today, 16: 01 ↑ New
The structure of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Federation - 10 units of An-124. It is high time! In the Union, Military Transport Aviation could, in a short time, deploy almost all airborne forces to anywhere in the world. And now, for how much can the airborne division be transferred at least within the country? recourse

10 - it’s probably flying (constantly operated), there are more of them in storage, I myself saw how much I will not say (although it is easy to count them from satellite images) , I saw in one place (airfield), and their (storage) two or three. The pilots said that the problem is in the resource of engines. All planes can be lifted into the air and if a big kipish happens, they will do the job!

[Stalker.1977]

And the point is to change the glider, il76 won after the upgrade a supermachine, it became the same for white swans only the stuffing, and what’s bad with Ruslan.

[weksha50]

Quote: Stalker.1977

and what Ruslan is bad for.

Ruslan is not ours ... Antonov Design Bureau .... Production - also in Ukraine .... was ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stalker.1977

And the point is to change the glider, il76 won after the upgrade a supermachine, it became the same for white swans only the stuffing, and what’s bad with Ruslan.

Everything except the airframe will be replaced with the Swans and not only modern analogues of what was installed will be installed, but also new ones will be added taking into account new tasks and threats. The Tu-160M2 will be a NEW bomber, only outwardly similar to the Allied Swans.
Regarding the 76s, there is an opinion that gradually the fleet of these machines will be replaced by IL-96, with NK-93 engines.

[avia1991]

Quote: Stalker.1977

And the point is to change the glider, il76 won after the upgrade became a supermachine,

The point is that "Ruslan" is an "alien" car. With all the consequences .. We have no right to produce the same aircraft, even a "deeply modernized" one.
Special forces were transported, it was during one of the conflicts. They drove 10 (!!!) BTR-70 into the plane! There was no squeezing in the cargo compartment: they stood in 2 rows! Plus crews flying in the passenger compartment. However, neither cargo securing nor transportation problems arose.
An analogue will not be easy to build. So you will have to tinker with the replacement of Ruslan. This is the search for personnel, and the readjustment of airlines, and MONEY. Really big .. The question had to be raised a few years ago, actually. And with us, as always - until the "roast cock" ..

[72jora72]

An analogue will not be easy to build. So you will have to tinker with the replacement of Ruslan. This is the search for personnel, and the readjustment of airlines, and MONEY. Really big .. The question should have been raised a few years ago, actually. And with us, as always - until the "roast cock" ..

In any case, you will have to start anyway sooner or later (of course, you had to do it yesterday).

[FID]

Quote: Error

You obviously lagged behind the news the engines are ready and the glider is a technical matter) and they will be more economical and low noise! And not only that, they will be universal on the entire line of passenger airliners, which means lower prices

You read the article, there’s a conversation about Moscow Region, military Borisov, where does the line of passenger airliners come from?

[Lukich]

Quote: Error

which means a price reduction

I doubt something. in my memory, nothing has ever come down cheaper. only went up

[trantor]

Quote: Error

the engines are ready and the glider is a matter of technology

Well, you give. So the glider in aviation is the most important thing! Here engines (with a stretch), electronics, avionics are a matter of technology, and a glider is an art. He thinks why the TU-160 does not change, but only upgrade or IL-76?

[Aqela]

Unfortunately, this is not so. More precisely, not quite so.
Once I met the statement of one of the designers of the F-4 "Phantom": give me a good engine and even my iron will fly. By the way, it is the F-4 that illustrates this statement well: the aircraft, which to this day is in service, has never suffered from graceful proportions and sleek contours; nevertheless, even in carrier-based aviation, famous for its stringent design requirements, it was used for quite a long time ...
In an amicable way, of course, "everything should be fine in a person: a suit, and a tie, and a mustache, and a hat" More examples from the story? Compare the characteristics of the Me-109 with a weak engine and Me-109E, with a more powerful engine. There were no major changes in aerodynamics. The same nonsense was with the transformation of LaGG-3 into La-5FN ... More options?

[trantor]

Quote: Aqela

More options?

No options. No one argues that an iron with a good engine can fly, and it does fly ... only this solution is not very economical and ... not elegant, or something. Not from a good life: they could not, there was not enough talent for more. Or "there is power - no mind is needed." That is why some models and designs are used and modernized for half a century or more, while others are forgotten in 5-10 years? Probably, in the first, everything really "came together"

[vkl.47]

the last nail in the lid of Antonov’s coffin. if they don’t take off their power with a banderlozha, they will go out of business at the last enterprises. although the juntars have this plan. They’ll cut everything down and sell it for kopeks. Alligators will buy kopeks for them. Under warehouses. they saw it. Merkanskaya scheme one and the same

[sisa29]

Today, in addition to the demonstration An-32, Antonov has firm contracts with Azerbaijan (two An-78), Iraq (two An-48/158 and two An-78) and the first state order from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (three An -48) totaling about $ 350 million. So, most likely, the future of the enterprise is not hopeless. It remains only to prove that this is real, not virtual.

[Voenoboz]

Yes, we are not on the road for 50 years with them, the contradictions are too deep, and import substitution is easy for you to say, but hard to do.

[st25310]

It is necessary to revive ECIP.

[NordUral]

And castrate all those who ruin such ideas and developments.

[Vadim237]

There is nothing to reanimate it - the project is not involved in view of its hopelessness, in other words, the designers gave out what they wish for real, all the economic benefits of ECIP were based on engines that did not exist.

[Basarev]

But airships would be nice to resurrect. Both of their weaknesses, which predetermined their career in the twentieth century - helium and backward navigation equipment - are now successfully overcome. And their navigation range and carrying capacity are an order of magnitude higher than that of any aircraft. I read that to create an airship with a carrying capacity of 2000 tons is not fiction, not utopia.

[Portolan]

there is a replacement IL-96t, but an124 is more load-bearing

[asher]

Believe the former aircraft designer - a lot of technologies in the full sense of yesterday’s technology and anyway needed to be replaced. And all that is required in Ulyanovsk is.

[Jurkovs]

Quote: Altona

Must be replaced. But as?

At one time, Mriya was made from Ruslan, lengthening the hull by one section, lengthening the wings and changing the tail to the beam and without changing other nodes .. Today, with Ruslan, you need to repeat the same operation without changing the dimensions to change the appearance, that is, the beam tail plumage and two tails. Why is this needed? Russian cosmonautics urgently and urgently needs transportation of steps up to 10 meters in diameter. And drawings for Ruslan have long been at the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Plant, you only need to digitize and apply modern equipment.

[K-50]

In the near future, you and I will have to seriously work on a promising aviation complex, I mean an extra-heavy transport aircraft.

Maybe just carry out a remotorization, it won't hit the money so hard. And to build a fundamentally new "where is the money, Zin?"

[Altona]

Quote: K-50

Maybe just carry out a remotorization, it won't hit the money so hard. And to build a fundamentally new "where is the money, Zin?"

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What is the money? FRAMES WHERE? The former Antonov Design Bureau will have to be lured to itself, as with Dawn they are lured to ship engines.

[weksha50]

Quote: Altona

FRAMES WHERE? The former Antonov Design Bureau will have to lure to itself,

Well, then you can talk about production facilities and equipment ...

PS With these poaching ... It's easier ... to "unite" geographically ... Hmm ...

[Stalker.1977]

Somehow, an incomprehensible minus signer appeared, even if he wrote to whom and for what it minus, and minus the question to the wretch in general insanity.

[x.andvlad]

Of course, if we ourselves cannot reproduce it, then we need to do something of our own in this class. But I'm afraid it will be a long story.

[DenZ]

Goodbye King - Long live the King! There is nothing eternal and this handsome man needs to be changed. I think KB Ilyushin will come up with a worthy replacement.

[weksha50]

"will have to seriously work on a promising aviation complex, I mean heavy transport aircraft"...

Hmm ... Who will work ???

Here it is, the result of collapse and enmity ... There was one powerful design bureau, which has huge achievements on transport aircraft ...

And now ... Except OKB Ilyushchin, and nothing comes to mind ...

[FID]

Quote: weksha50

And now ... Except OKB Ilyushchin, and nothing comes to mind ...

Borisov spoke of 3 types of aircraft, with a loading capacity of 80, 120 and 200 tons ... IL-96-400 - carrying capacity - 90 tons, i.e. one is ...

[Basarev]

It is sad that a truly clever decision to transfer the design bureau from Novosibirsk to Kiev led to such consequences ... And they could rivet Ruslana to the mountain now.

[weksha50]

Quote: SSI

one is ...

I agree ...

But we are talking about a different carrying capacity, about Ruslan, about 120 tons and more ...

Will Ilyushin residents be able to do a good deed? In theory - they should .... However - it will take a long time, not one year ...

[Muvka]

Quote: weksha50

"will have to seriously work on a promising aviation complex, I mean heavy transport aircraft"...

Hmm ... Who will work ???

Here it is, the result of collapse and enmity ... There was one powerful design bureau, which has huge achievements on transport aircraft ...

And now ... Except OKB Ilyushchin, and nothing comes to mind ...

And what do you dislike about Tupolev?

[weksha50]

Quote: Muvka

And what do you dislike about Tupolev?

And what, Tupolev Design Bureau has experience and experience in modern transport aircraft ???

After all, the point here is not that I like or dislike ...

[demiurg]

All Wishlist (really justified) MO can not list. First, the most urgent is the nuclear triad, then the Air Force, then air defense and electronic warfare equipment, then armored vehicles. We will compensate for 25 years of the lost, at least as a minimum, then they will decide what is more important, an aircraft carrier or a new transporter.
Now, it seems that the second item is being actively implemented, but the BVT also urgently needs to be replenished / modernized.

[Wedmak]

So it was like talking about the PAK TA project?

[DenZ]

Here we need to talk about the PAK STTA (super heavy transport aviation)

[Engineer]

Justify why you need super heavy? Mriya was created for the air launch of the MAX. MAX was closed and Mriya was left out of work. Even the Union Defense Ministry did not find tasks for such an aircraft. Do you think now they appeared at the Russian Defense Ministry?

[Verdun]

If someone does not know, then such an aircraft as "Mriya" is in great demand among Australian sheep breeders. In Australia, transporting sheep by air on a large scale has proven to be very profitable. People would not mind buying such equipment, but they just can't get it.

[FID]

Quote: Verdun

If someone does not know, then such an aircraft as "Mriya" is in great demand among Australian sheep breeders. In Australia, transporting sheep by air on a large scale has proven to be very profitable. People would not mind buying such equipment, but they just can't get it.

For Australians, the "Beluga" Arbuzovskaya is suitable - the volumes are large, the carrying capacity is not very ... "Mriya" is tailored for large volumes and HEAVY loads ...

[Verdun]

When he lived at the cottage in Sheremetyevo, they (Mriy) sometimes flew over us for landing or take-off. In short, low ... A very impressive sight!

[FID]

Quote: Verdun

When he lived at the cottage in Sheremetyevo, they (Mriy) sometimes flew over us for landing or take-off. In short, low ... A very impressive sight!

Excuse me, are you not mistaken? Firstly, there is only one Mriya, and secondly, it could not fly from Shrm, the band is not the same ...

[Verdun]

I can be wrong in quantity, in the sky she really was alone, I just heard somewhere that two cars were made. I didn’t guess the tail number. And the fact that "Mriya" is for sure. Such a device cannot be confused with anything. For thirty years I have seen enough in Shrm, but even after "Ruslan" this device looks amazing! especially if it passes at an altitude like the Su-24 over the "Cook")) And the runway ... Judging by the time, it was still testing, most likely it went without a load.

[user1212]

Quote: Engineer

Do you think now they appeared at the Russian Defense Ministry?

Mriya may not be necessary, but it was Ruslan who transferred the C400 to Syria. And there are only 10 of them. And if a mobile ICBM complex fits there, then it will not be superfluous. In which case, "op" ... and Russia's ally anywhere in the world is a nuclear power

[Basarev]

Is there 10 of them? I thought seven pieces all over the world ...

[avt]

Quote: Engineer

? Mriya was created for the air launch of the MAX.

According to the Buran program, when there was no smell of MAKS from Lozino Lozinsky.

Quote: Engineer

Even the Union Defense Ministry did not find tasks for such an aircraft.

This is, yes, even the second of the backlog of commerce with "Antonov" was not completed. And for the RF Ministry of Defense, an analogue of the C-17 is needed in the first place. Under the dimensions of the existing and promising technology.

[Karabas]

In any case, you need to develop, as in that proverb: "If there was no happiness, but misfortune helped."

[Pvi1206]

There would be a state order, but the specialists won’t do anything!

[NordUral]

It's time to impale all the leaders who destroyed the Soviet aviation industry (more broadly, the Union), those who have not died yet! And how did you give the documentation and technologies for such products as Ruslan? This machine would fly for another hundred years with its glider. Change only avionics and physics materials, etc. it was the same with Il, Yak, etc.

[Comrade Glebov]

Well, taking into account our bureaucratic will, I am afraid that they will change to "Boeings" or write off ten "Ruslans", and put some cool and new, but one. In general, Pvi1206 said correctly: "There would be a state order ..." - in Russia, Lefties and Kulibins will be found.

[Verdun]

There is no work that would have influenced the Russian industry worse than "The Tale of the Tula scythe Lefty and the steel flea". Admiring the skill of people who shod a flea, everyone somehow ceases to pay attention to the fact that after this operation the flea could no longer jump.

[DenZ]

Quote: Comrade Glebov

Well, given our bureaucratic will, I'm afraid that they will change to "Boeings"

For the Ministry of Defense - Boeing - well, well ... It would be a different trend now, if you did not notice.

[Verdun]

Quote: Error

You are clearly behind the news, the engines are ready, and the glider is a matter of technology

A matter of technology is to cut the loot. And to build a plane, and even to replace Ruslan, is the work of thousands and thousands of specialists. Not only do you need to find them, but also pay a normal salary. And this is not to mention the necessary equipment ...

[Error]

In general, the most difficult thing is just the engines, and the glider and China can copy. Labor hundreds of thousands)

[Verdun]

In general, the most difficult thing is just the engines, and the glider and China can copy. Labor hundreds of thousands)

A ship without a hull, a car without a body, an airplane without a fuselage ... Beauty! Those who are seriously engaged in aviation know that with our engines American and European liners could not even take off the ground. It so happened that in this matter we are in the role of catching up. However, I do not mean fighter aircraft, although there everything is not as magical as we would like.

[Error]

Why are you talking about rubbish could not come off! Go fly on a boenge every 10 fall aviator horseradish

[Verdun]

And you, as I understand it, fly exclusively on Superjets?))

[guzik007]

And you, as I understand it, fly exclusively on Superjets?))
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Oh, I’ve flown recently. Thank Allah that I was fastened when landing, otherwise the tochnik to the pilots would have flew into the cockpit: =) The brake takes over ahh ... but!

[Engineer]

Quote: Lance

Coconuts, for example, are not steamed on new and quietly upgrade their analogue of С5 Galaxy. And the fleet they have more than 100 cars. Compare the air mobility of troops ...

Coconuts fly on their own, and now we get it on Ukrainian planes. Upgrade someone else’s plane? Yes Outskirts, through their friends in the West, will overwhelm the Moscow Region with all kinds of suits and seizures of property. Because only your plane, only your engines, especially the military. By the way, he and the transport companies are really looking forward to: it’s no secret that one flight of Ruslan is more expensive than two flights of the more economical cargo Boeing 747. Therefore, Ruslans are used only for delivery of oversized cargo, which Boeing simply will not fit in any way.

[Yarik76]

The road will be mastered by the walking one. You have to think and do. We really need a heavy truck 'the motor resource of the existing ones is not eternal!

[Arktidianets]

After 30 years, there may be a replacement, but so far there is no alternative.

[Stoler]

NEED TO BE REPLACED! Imported TVs and computers, replace first import substitutes are bad!

[Muvka]

Quote: Stoler

NEED TO BE REPLACED! Imported TVs and computers, replace first import substitutes are bad!

We still will not succeed in producing ALL. For a total of 150 million people. And produce no one and sell. It is necessary to replace where it is real and where they are impudent. I think so. Although the truth about microelectronics is necessary.

[yahont]

That's right, tomorrow you need to think now.

[Izotovp]

Sometimes it is beneficial to be a little behind in order to overtake. If cooperation with Ukraine continued on the Ruslan, there would be a sluggish modernization in the role of catch-up. Now there is an opportunity to build a completely new aircraft with modern engines, BRIO and an oval fuselage.

[igor.borov775]

Hello. Ilyushins talk about Ermak.

[Izotovp]

Hey. They would have 96 recover!

[Kibl]

The main threat to Russia is the exam!

[Vadim237]

There is such a project of a heavy transport and passenger aircraft "Kasatka" with a carrying capacity of 250 tons

[FID]

There are many kinds of drawings ...

[Verdun]

Quote: SSI

There are many kinds of drawings ...

Totally agree with you. Many simply do not understand what is between the conceptual design and the launch of the series of years and years of work.

[Vadim237]

This project is far from a sketch, but a model already built and it is being prepared for testing in a wind tunnel.

[Verdun]

Well, you see, it hasn’t even reached the trumpet. Maybe you still have to re-arrange according to the area rule ...

[Deniska]

This project is far from a sketch, but a model already built and it is being prepared for testing in a wind tunnel.

A link pliz ... And then I heard a "space" transport ship is already being tested in a vacuum ...

[Suharik.inline]

Aviation, that military, that civilian, the business is very laborious and what will come out in the end depends on my opinion on a lot of indicators, this is education and the economic component and much more.
And how much the country's leadership will be able to put all these points together with minimal losses and for how long it will be done and it will depend on when and what we will have.

[Verdun]

The trouble is that in Western countries, the development of technology usually proceeds systematically. And we Russians have a tradition - to do something good, and rest on our laurels until it finally becomes obsolete. When the lag becomes obvious, we catch ourselves and begin to tear out the outlines, making another feat. As a result, instead of systematic development, continuous forcing of the Dnieper. It would be nice to get rid of such a tradition.

[Izotovp]

You can’t get rid of it !! While the West is systematically building a road bypassing all the hills and lakes and the East is sailing with the flow, we are building our road straight ahead, regardless of what lies ahead. Through the mountains and ravines. It turns out that we are either catching up or overtaking the West and sometimes use the river for recreation as the East)))).

[cedar]

Quote: Verdun

There is no work that would have influenced the Russian industry worse than "The Tale of the Tula scythe Lefty and the steel flea". Admiring the skill of people who shod a flea, everyone somehow ceases to pay attention to the fact that after this operation the flea could no longer jump.

What is he doing with you? And why did you forget to mention an important point, the flea was something English. Left-handed and put her on a joke!
It’s a very actual story, it’s time for our modern left-handers from the Tula military-industrial complex to hoove Anglo-Saxons hooves, otherwise they were jumping into the wide light, I won’t save, they have been begging for a long time!

[Verdun]

What is he doing with you?

I, sinfully, didn’t even understand right away what you were talking about. This is not for me, but for the author, Leskov Nikolai Semenovich. He gave his story a name. And so that the Anglo-Saxon fleas do not jump anywhere, it is necessary to observe hygiene. And not only to keep the body clean, but also the soul and brains. And it’s not so honorable to fit horseshoes to strangers' heels all their lives.

[krops777]

Quote: sisa29

Today, in addition to the demonstration An-32, Antonov has firm contracts with Azerbaijan (two An-78), Iraq (two An-48/158 and two An-78) and the first state order from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (three An -48) totaling about $ 350 million. So, most likely, the future of the enterprise is not hopeless. It remains only to prove that this is real, not virtual.

And I think that everything is hopeless, because a huge number of related enterprises take part in the assembly of airplanes, but they won’t succeed in replacing everything (components) with analogues; they don’t have the strength or the means to develop a new airplane.

[neri73-r]

Quote: BilliBoms09

The structure of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Federation - 10 units of An-124.

It is high time! In the Union, Military Transport Aviation could, in a short time, deploy almost all airborne forces to anywhere in the world. And now, for how much can the airborne division be transferred at least within the country?

10 - it’s probably flying (constantly operated), there are more of them in storage, I myself saw how much I will not say (although it is easy to count them from satellite images) , I saw in one place (airfield), and their (storage) two or three. The pilots said that the problem is in the resource of engines. All planes can be lifted into the air and if a big kipish happens, they will do the job!

[iouris]

So long thought, twenty years ago. Where is the money?

[mik6403]

I don’t know who has any information about the prospects, but as regards the current state of affairs, everything is very sad ... the Il-76 resource has been worked out ... more and more often serious failures have occurred in airplanes (techies from airfields will not come out) ... I don’t I am talking about the number of monuments (aircraft standing for disassembly for parts)

[From Samara]

Replacing is not a problem, and you can quickly, there is everything for this ... Financing is needed ... The 18th plant in Samara needs to be nationalized and riveted on its site ...

[Flinky]

Replace Antonov’s aircraft suddenly does not work.

[Ros 56]

I look, some specialists in aviation -

Replace is not a problem, and you can quickly, there is everything for this

... You at least have an idea of ​​what it means to create a new aircraft, especially with such characteristics as this general says. And forget about the "Antonov" design bureau, it was over with banderlogs. All that will remain is the modernization of the Ruslan, well, and it will be decided who will make the new transport aircraft, in the sense of developing, because there are not even technical requirements for it, so the first sample will appear no earlier than 15-20 years later. In the meantime, there will be 76th and 124th. It would be better if Borisov shot Ulyukaev, it was a miracle that he was going to sell a controlling stake in Russian Helicopters to Airbus, here is privatization for you, this does not fit into any gate. What bastards are in the government, which Putin praised yesterday when he answered questions.

[From Samara]

do not catch heartburn ... Everything depends on desire ...

Superjet 100 quickly done ... really fast!

Nobody will upgrade Ruslan, it’s cheaper to re-make your own ...

[Ros 56]

I’ve heard about them (SJ-100) for about 10 years, and how many of them fly on the lines, even though with a gun make our airlines fly. Something is wrong with us in the aviation kingdom.

[dvg1959]

There are many promising developments in the aviation complex. Progress is an inevitable thing, it should be aimed at strengthening the defense power of Russia.

[Forever so]

Well, finally, our lawyer will be able to push American Hercules into the army, or at worst, the Boeing.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Forever so

Well, finally, our lawyer will be able to push American Hercules into the army, or at worst, the Boeing.

- But have you tried to think before writing something?

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: YARS

here maybe one of the projects

there are probably a lot of composite materials in this plane. we would have a gun made of composites, it’s better to bungle a glock.

[exo]

Today, we don’t have an engine for aircraft of similar dimensions. The base PD-14, on the basis of which it is planned to create a modification with a thrust of 18 tons, is still unknown how many years will be brought to mind. If you recall the history of the only engine in Russia today: The PS-90, then being certified in 1992, it only became more intelligible in 2006. In the modification of the PS-90A2. So the path to the new Ruslan will be very long and difficult.

[Hauptam]

You can do it, you can’t go in for modernization because there is a backlog, but you haven’t tried AN-225 Mriya ??? There are no analogues at all and close.

[Vadim237]

All production rights of the An 124 and An 225 remained in Ukraine, so Antonov, goodbye.

[exo]

In principle, it is possible to bypass the rights of Ukraine. By making some changes to the design and carrying out a new certification. It’s just there is no point in constantly pulling out the remnants of their potential from good, but old models. Unreasonably high costs for restoring production. . Since it is the basis for many modifications. Now, it is necessary to devote all efforts to the development and implementation of new engines. In some issues: fine-tuning the existing ones to a "digestible" state (TV-76-7).

[Just BB]

All production rights of the An 124 and An 225 remained in Ukraine, so Antonov, goodbye.

With a fright?
The customer of the aircraft of the Air Force of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR! - The owner of the car. - I do what I want
The Ulyanovsk factory-manufacturer has been appointed a contractor! (Drawings from him)
The only thing TRUE -

so "Antonov" - goodbye.

[exo]

Officially, only the Antonov Design Bureau can do the extension of the service life. And all the modifications, also with their knowledge. The same with the engines. Another thing is that in military aviation, this business can be forgotten. But, a / c "Volga-Dnepr ", is already experiencing real problems. Since it flies to Europe and America.

[Just BB]

Question about making new ones.
"Motor Sich" continues to make TV3-117 and KB "Klimov" cannot do anything, they had to "invent" the VK-2500
The Kazan helicopter parted with the "Milevtsy" - they legalized their design bureau and: "Alga", as they say

[Lens]

keywords in the article - COMING SOON. seven years is too optimistic. only if they drive out bureaucrats and sawflies and give the green light to the pros.

[colonel manuch]

They can speak with us, it is one thing to say, and another to do. So, PAK TA is a very distant future.