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For which the Red Army loved the Tula "Light"

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For which the Red Army loved the Tula "Light"



13 April 1940 was adopted in the USSR by the rifle SVT-40 - one of the most famous models of automatic weapons World War II
One of the famous military axioms says that it is not weapons that fight - people who hold it in their hands are fighting. In other words, no matter how remarkable one or another model of military equipment, all its advantages can be negated by inept use. Conversely, a skilled warrior will turn even a weak weapon into a formidable force. All of this directly applies to one of the most famous and ambiguously evaluated models of Russian weapons - the self-loading rifle of the designer Fedor Tokarev SVT-40. It was commissioned by the Red Army 13 on April 1940 of the year by a decree of the Committee of Defense of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR as a result of the modernization of an earlier modification, SVT-38, which began production in 1939. And thanks to this, Russia turned out to be one of two countries in the world that met the Second World War, having self-loading rifles armed with their armies. The second country was the United States, which armed its infantrymen with the Garanda M1 self-loading rifle.

It is probably difficult to find in the long list of domestic weapon systems a second example of such an ambiguous and contradictory assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of weapons that SVT-40 has been awarded. And yet it is difficult to find even in the world stories a rifle that would receive only positive feedback. After all, as we have said, it all depends on how experienced and competent a fighter is, holding a weapon in his hands, how well he has mastered it, and how free and attentive he is with him. SVT-40 did not accidentally deserve the nickname “Sveta” from the Soviet fighters: on the one hand, she was faithful to those who truly loved her and cared for her well, but on the other hand, she had a direct hint at the capricious nature of the rifle . She demanded from her owner not only technical literacy, since she needed to be fine-tuned depending on the time of year, but also careful care and constant attention, as she was a real cleaner. Even too thick a lubricant could damage the SVT-40, not to mention the trench mud.

In addition, the Tokarevskaya self-charging was quite a complex system in terms of design: almost one hundred and fifty parts, including several dozen fairly small parts, and two dozen springs. Not everyone, even the pre-war draftee of the Red Army, could handle all this machinery. According to the memoirs of military leaders of the prewar period, even in parts of the western districts, where SVT-40 began to be supplied first of all after they were put into service, by the start of the war, not all ordinary soldiers had really mastered it. But according to the pre-war plans, Sveta was to become the main weapon of the Red Army rifle subunits, completely replacing the well-deserved “mosinka” of the 1891 / 1930 type. In the pre-war states, one third of the armament of the rifle division of the Red Army should have been SVT-40, while most of the rifle company was almost three-quarters, and the rifle department was fully armed with them. (The strange ratio for a civilian person is simply explained: in the units from the platoon and above, the number of combatant and non-combatant posts gradually increases, which are supposed to be simpler weapons.)

In full accordance with these plans, the expansion of the production of SVT-40, starting from July 1940, was also painted. Until the end of this month, the Tula plant, which became the main production site of the rifle, released their 3416 pieces, in August - 8100 pieces, and in September - 10 700 pieces. In 1941, it was planned to produce 1,8 million SVT-40 (Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant was also connected to production), in 1942-m - 2 million, and the total volume should be 1943 million, 4 thousand units by 450. But the war has made its own adjustments to these tasks. In 1941, a little more than a million rifles were released, including the 1 031 861 regular and 34 782 sniper rifles, which were distinguished by a more careful development of the barrel bore and a special protrusion that made it possible to attach the PU sniper rifle scope. But in October, when the enemy approached Tula, the rifle was stopped there. Production was evacuated to the Urals, to the city of Mednogorsk, where it was possible to re-launch it only in March of the 1942 of the year (and until that time only the needs of the army in self-loading rifles met Izhevsk).

By this time, almost nothing was left of the personnel units of the Red Army that met the enemy on the western borders. Accordingly, most of the SVT-40 rifles that were in service with them were lost - according to documents, the troops missed nearly a million units of these weapons remaining on the battlefield after retreating to the east. The loss of personnel was compensated by mass mobilization, but the new fighters did not receive sufficient rifle training, not to mention seriously mastering such sophisticated equipment as the Tokarev rifle. They needed simpler three-lines, and a difficult decision was made: to curtail the release of SVT in favor of expanding the production of Mosin rifles. So in 1942, the factories produced the entire 264 148 units of conventional SVT-40 and 14 210 sniper. In small batches, the rifle continued to be released later, until 3 of January 1945 of the year issued a T-bills decree on discontinuing it. At the same time, curiously, the order to stop the production of a rifle in all its variants - both self-loading and automatic, as well as sniper - was never followed ...


Sniper SVT-40. Photo: popgun.ru

To his creator, the legendary Russian armorer Fyodor Tokarev, the autoloading rifle brought the Stalin Prize, the title of Hero of Socialist Labor and the degree of Doctor of Technical Sciences, which were awarded to him in the same 1940 year. She was highly appreciated by experienced Red Army fighters, especially marines. The fleet traditionally called young men more educated and technically literate, who also received an even richer experience in dealing with complex mechanisms during their service, and therefore, finding themselves in parts of the marines, they did not experience difficulties in handling the capricious Sveta. On the contrary, “black jackets” very much appreciated SVT-40 for its firepower: although the Torerev self-loading was inferior to the “mosinka” in accuracy of shooting, the ten-charge shop and the ability to fire at a higher pace made it a much more convenient defense weapon. A dagger-type bayonet SVT was more convenient in bayonet combat (although it also required certain skills), and as a versatile cold weapon: unlike the integral four-sided bayonet bayonet, she was worn in a sheath at the waist and could be used like a regular dagger or knife.

It is noteworthy that a significant part of the small arms of SVT-40 until the end of the war was in the units that fought in the High North. And it is clear why. In the Arctic, the fighting was mainly positional, and their intensity was markedly lower than on other fronts. Accordingly, the percentage of cadre fighters who remained in the ranks with the SVT in their hands and retained their weapons, which earned them respect and love, was significantly higher. But among snipers, regardless of the theater of operations, the Tokarev rifle did not use high demand: the work of automation on the accuracy and effective firing range had a very noticeable effect, and the firepower was not an indicator that was important for sniper work. However, the sniper divisions of SVT-40 were used until the end of the war, and there were a lot of apt shooters who destroyed dozens or even hundreds of fascists and refused to change it to a more accurate and less capricious three-line.

By the way, SVT-40 achieved respect from our opponents - Germans and Finns. The latter met SVT during the Winter War in the SVT-38 version and took it as a model for their own version of a self-loading rifle. In the Wehrmacht, the SVT was generally adopted, albeit limited, under the name Selbstladegewehr (literally: “self-loading rifle”) 259 (r), where this letter meant the country of production — Russia. German soldiers, who suffered from a shortage of automatic weapons, appreciated these rifles from the first days of the war, noting with obvious envy that the Russians, unlike them, were almost "all armed with light machine guns" (one German soldier, in particular, wrote to his relatives on the Eastern Front). SVT-40 has achieved the same respect from American specialists, who compared it with their M1 - and claimed that the Russian rifle surpasses it, in particular, in terms of ease of loading and store capacity, which are very important indicators for an ordinary fighter.

But no matter how contradictory the experience of the combat use of SVT-40 was, it became the same symbol of the victory of the Russian people in the Great Patriotic War, like the Mosinskaya three-line and the legendary PCA. Tokarevskaya self-charging can be seen on a variety of photographs, paintings and posters of the time. And civilian versions of this weapon are still in use: on the basis of weapons rifle decommissioned from arsenal storage, weapons factories produce several modifications of hunting weapons that are in steady demand. Finally, the recognizable features of the SVT can be seen in her successor, the famous Dragunov sniper rifle, SVD: the design developed by a self-taught gunmaker who was a Cossack centurion Fyodor Tokarev in far 1940 was very successful.
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  1. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 16 2016 05: 36
    +44
    That SVT, that ABC were a breakthrough at that time, were not liked by the army for their complexity compared to a mosinka, but the border guards from the NKVD and sailors respected these weapons. As they say - look after your weapon as a girl and it will not let you down.
    1. Fat
      Fat April 16 2016 05: 49
      +27
      So that the mechanism does not fail, treat it with respect. A weapon you just need to love and take care of it in a timely manner. Even a bow is far from an easy-to-care tool, expensive, moody and tender.
      1. PKK
        PKK April 16 2016 19: 55
        +3
        With the exception of the PKK, I drove the cartridge, raised the fuse and walk for a week, then let it rest. It’s easy to clean and understand. And not every beginner can take apart and assemble it.
        I understand Svetka had to clean every day. 20 springs in it is already too much. The question is: how long was the standard for assembly and disassembly given.
        1. gav6757
          gav6757 April 17 2016 18: 51
          +7
          But is this norm necessary at all?
          What for?
          When in 1985 I got into the GSVG in a GRU unit and boasted that I could quickly assemble and disassemble a machine gun, they asked me "Why"?
          During military operations, this is not necessary, you will not be able to repair it in any case, but stuck - take another from the deceased comrade and continue to fire!
          Regarding SVT, it is a good thing, but it requires daily lubrication and cleaning, and nowadays, it also requires “recoil” settings. Whoever had this rifle knows what I am writing about ...
      2. PKK
        PKK April 16 2016 19: 55
        0
        With the exception of the PKK, I drove the cartridge, raised the fuse and walk for a week, then let it rest. It’s easy to clean and understand. And not every beginner can take apart and assemble it.
        I understand Svetka had to clean every day. 20 springs in it is already too much. The question is: how long was the standard for assembly and disassembly given.
        1. goose
          goose April 18 2016 11: 13
          +2
          Quote: PKK
          I understand Svetka had to clean every day

          What nonsense, the need for cleaning does not arise by the clock, but by the shoot. Shooted - clean, tumbled down in the mud clean. In other cases, cleaning is not necessary.
          1. Navy7981
            Navy7981 April 18 2016 14: 16
            +1
            Quote: goose
            Quote: PKK
            I understand Svetka had to clean every day

            What nonsense, the need for cleaning does not arise by the clock, but by the shoot. Shooted - clean, tumbled down in the mud clean. In other cases, cleaning is not necessary.

            for that, the cleaning is very reassuring.
          2. Navy7981
            Navy7981 April 18 2016 14: 16
            0
            Quote: goose
            Quote: PKK
            I understand Svetka had to clean every day

            What nonsense, the need for cleaning does not arise by the clock, but by the shoot. Shooted - clean, tumbled down in the mud clean. In other cases, cleaning is not necessary.

            for that, the cleaning is very reassuring.
    2. Strashila
      Strashila April 16 2016 08: 49
      +20
      The answer is simple ... the level of education and training of border guards and sailors was higher than that of ordinary infantry.
      1. zennon
        zennon April 16 2016 12: 32
        +26
        Quote: Strashila
        The answer is simple ... the level of education and training of border guards and sailors was higher than that of ordinary infantry.

        Not so simple. In that war people used to sleep on the go! This is not a joke. They got so exhausted that they walked on the march and slept, catching the rhythm of the move. Of course, they ate the same. The Nagan / Mosin rifle arr. 1891/30 just pull out the shutter to clean. Yes, and without cleaning, it would be healthy! A real trench rifle. And to clean the CBT is a whole problem. You need to strip a piece of tarpaulin-parts a lot, and small ones. Carefully lay them out. Nothing to lose. The rifle required tuning, gas regulation. This is exhausted to the loss of the pulse of people! This is often in the conditions of time pressure. Yes, and in production it was much more expensive. The labor input was several times greater than the three-line model of 1891/30. SVT-38 consisted of 143 parts (of which 22 springs), for the production of which 12 steel grades were required (including two special ones). And this was in that war when literally everything was missing! At the same time, the accuracy of firing in A / R ( ABT-40) is simply nonexistent! Moreover, by the end of the war it became obvious that the rifle cartridge had outlived itself as a mass one. It was time to switch to an intermediate one.
        1. vvp2
          vvp2 April 16 2016 12: 42
          -29%
          Quote: zennon
          Moreover, by the end of the war it became obvious that the rifle cartridge had outlived itself as a mass cartridge. It was time to switch to an intermediate one.

          It was not clear to anyone in the world except the USSR. And no one, except the USSR, switched to an intermediate cartridge with a classic bullet. Then the USSR refused this crazy idea. True, the money for delusional rearmament has already been spent enormous. Then I had to re-arm again, now on a 5,45x39 mm cartridge.
          1. zennon
            zennon April 16 2016 16: 34
            +21
            Quote: vvp2
            It was not clear to anyone in the world except the USSR. And no one, except the USSR, switched to an intermediate cartridge with a classic bullet.

            Especially for the very gifted vvp2.A widely known (maybe even you, though not a fact) weapon designer Hugo Schmeisser began developing his assault rifle back in 1938, later called the StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44 - assault rifle 1944), under CLASSIC INTERMEDIATE CARTRIDGE 7.92x33mm Kurz, developed on its own initiative by the German company "Polte" in the city of Magdeburg. By the way, I served an urgent service in the GSVG in this city. In total, about 450 copies of this machine were produced. They were in service with the People's Police of the GDR, the army and the police of Germany, France, Switzerland, the Scandinavian countries, the armed forces of Czechoslovakia, and the airborne troops of Yugoslavia.
          2. Dam
            Dam April 16 2016 18: 32
            +6
            Again carbine from shit rebelled? Hold on, funny freak, everybody here already knows you, scat and durk
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        3. ava09
          ava09 April 16 2016 13: 47
          0
          Quote: zennon
          The answer is simple ... the level of education and training of border guards and sailors was higher than that of ordinary infantry.

          Not so simple. In that war people used to sleep on the go! This is not a joke. They got so exhausted that they walked in march and slept, catching the rhythm of the move. Of course, they ate the same.


          You want to say that border guards and marines fought in different conditions? In this case, you imagine what a weapon is, but you have no idea who fought under what conditions.
        4. Stas57
          Stas57 April 16 2016 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: zennon
          Not so simple. In that war people used to sleep on the go! This is not a joke. They got so exhausted that they walked in march and slept, catching the rhythm of the move. Of course, they ate the same. The Nagan / Mosin rifle arr. 1891 / 30 just pull out the shutter to clean it. Yes, and without cleaning, it would be healthy! A real trench rifle. And to clean the CBT is a whole problem. You need to strip a piece of tarpaulin-parts a lot, and small ones. Carefully lay them out. Nothing to lose. The rifle required tuning, gas regulation. This is exhausted to the loss of a pulse to people! This is often in conditions of time pressure. Yes, and in production it was much more expensive ..

          below they proved to me that no one is cleaning in the trench.)
          but in general I talked about the spring, yes, there is still a large number of details, although I collected and disassembled it from the first show, but on the other hand, the level of knowledge has grown
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          2. zennon
            zennon April 16 2016 16: 49
            +14
            Quote: Stas57
            below they proved to me that no one is cleaning in the trench.)

            This, of course, is not the case. People without thinking it wrote it. The fact is that the standard Nagant / Mosin rifle arr. 1891/30 I forgave a rarer and less thorough cleaning than SVT-38/40, but of course I didn’t cancel it at all. I had to clean both (although I never shot from SVT) and I can say that the difference is serious. I can hardly imagine how do it in the trench.
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 April 16 2016 17: 19
              +10
              Quote: zennon
              .I can hardly imagine how to do this in a trench.

              Well, here you are bent ..)
              usually understood
              1. zennon
                zennon April 16 2016 17: 38
                0
                Quote: Stas57
                Well, here you are bent ..)

                This is me for clarity.
            2. 2s1122
              2s1122 April 17 2016 10: 10
              0
              Well, there were hoods, and intense fights didn’t go on all the time either. And when you are with weapons, YOU have no problems cleaning
        5. yehat
          yehat April 18 2016 09: 40
          0
          svt40 rarely used at ranges above 200m
          what accuracy is needed there ????
          from most rifles you can calmly shoot a coin from 50 meters
          if you are an experienced shooter, from 150-200m it is almost impossible to miss a shot in the head.

          as for the use of a mosin in sniper shooting, there, along with the pluses, also had their drawbacks. for example, the rifle was by no means short and it was not easy to disguise itself, especially in the city. At close range, it was very dangerous to open fire due to reload speed.
          1. goose
            goose April 18 2016 11: 17
            0
            Quote: yehat
            , the rifle was by no means short

            SVT is even longer.
      2. Dam
        Dam April 16 2016 18: 30
        +1
        Talk nonsense. Just disassemble and lubricate the CBT you need at least a table and a cloth so that the little things are not lost. And the infantry, in the trench mud, just has no conditions for its maintenance
        1. yehat
          yehat April 19 2016 12: 19
          0
          in a dry climate with a rag in a duffel bag 1 time in the evening you can take care of a rifle without problems, especially if the part is not on the march.
    3. ICT
      ICT April 16 2016 09: 35
      +18
      Quote: PSih2097
      sailors respected this weapon
      1. vvp2
        vvp2 April 16 2016 09: 47
        -57%
        Here he is, an educated and competent sailor. Only such could master SVT. Others, nothing.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2016 10: 53
          +73
          Quote: vvp2
          Here he is, an educated and competent sailor. Only such could master SVT. Others, nothing.

          You are right, this is a really very competent and educated warrior.
          In the photo of 1944, Radna Ayusheev, a sniper of one of our naval infantry brigades, is drilled, by the way, in those battles, he destroyed 25 fascists.
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          2. papik09
            papik09 April 16 2016 11: 49
            +4
            That's right. drinks But the question is, and how do you know that? repeat drinks hi
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 16 2016 20: 47
              +17
              Quote: papik09
              But the question is, and how do you know that?

              Internet to the rescue! hi
              1. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow April 16 2016 22: 39
                +4
                I remembered a recent photo, 08.08.08 There really was a machine gun.
              2. sesame
                sesame April 23 2016 13: 15
                0
                In the photo he is with a mosquito.
                1. Monarchist
                  Monarchist 11 June 2016 16: 04
                  0
                  Now he is with a mosin. Probably, "Sveta" was very capricious and he took a reliable three-line.
          3. alexej123
            alexej123 April 16 2016 12: 44
            +12
            He simply realized that before him was the "Battle Buryat" - the "Horses" could smell them with their hearts.
          4. Profan
            Profan April 16 2016 14: 27
            +3
            I immediately realized that my countryman !!
          5. bionik
            bionik April 16 2016 16: 46
            +23
            Quote: svp67

            In the photo of 1944, Radna Ayusheev, a sniper of one of our naval infantry brigades, is drilled, by the way, in those battles, he destroyed 25 fascists.

            RADNA Ayusheev was born in 1922 in the village of Inzagatuy in Buryatia. The family of peasants Ayusheev brought up 11 children. The head of the family was a good hunter, so from childhood he taught his sons to this. There were three of them in the Ayusheev family. Radna is the youngest. In 1940, the young man was drafted into the army. The first year he served in the Far East, and during the war he ended up in the Northern Fleet. Not surprisingly, the former hunter became a sniper.
            “My grandmother received the last letter from him in 1944,” says Namjilma, a sniper's niece. - Then he sent a photo. It can be seen that he is standing on a boat with a rifle. Since childhood, I remember that a similar photo always stood in a prominent place, next to the shrine. Later, after the death of Radna's mother, his picture was multiplied and distributed to relatives.
            Badma-Dari has not received more news from her younger son. However, there was no funeral either, so the mother hoped that he would return. The family did not forget it.
            “Mom was very sorry for her younger brother,” recalls Namjilma. - So young went to war, life is almost never seen.
            In their native village Radna, Ayusheev was also remembered. There even appeared a street named after the sniper, and in the school museum the students collected material about him.
            In 1979, a multi-part documentary film about the Great Patriotic War was shown on television. What was the surprise of countrymen Ayusheev, when in the 12 series of “War in the Arctic”, suddenly in one of the sailors they found Radna!
            - He flashed just a couple of seconds, but we recognized him! - says Namzhilma. - It was the same as in the photograph. Voiceover announcer behind the scenes said that the sailors of the Northern Fleet are going to hike to liberate the city of Pechenga near Murmansk. Relatives managed to see the number of the boat - 219 and remember the date of shooting - 19 October 1944 of the year. They sent a request to the draft board, but received no response. On this search and ended.
            - Who knows, maybe he died in this campaign? - suggests the sniper's niece.
            A few years later, Radna Ayusheev again reminded about himself. At the beginning of the 80s, a group of schoolchildren from the village of Inzagatui went on an excursion to Ukraine. In one of the museums of Krivoy Rog suddenly saw a photo of a famous countryman.
            “Only there it was written that this is an unknown soldier,” says Anatoly Dambinimayev, a traumatologist, a native of the village of Inzagatui. - I myself was not on this trip, but I was told that it was not possible to find out where this picture came from in the museum. None of the museum’s administrative staff was present, and the students themselves were just passing through. When the guys came home, they told us that they had seen the picture.
            And now, after almost thirty years, they talked about Radna Ayusheev again. Recently, Ulan-Udean Bair Etagorov, looking for the necessary photos on the Internet, came across a sniper picture. It was posted on a site dedicated to the Northern Fleet sailors. Ayusheeva photographed Robert Diament. During the Great Patriotic War, he served as head of the photo bureau of the political department of the Northern Fleet. On duty, he, along with torpedo pilots, made sorties, went on campaigns with submariners, attacked with the Marine Corps, with boat men on missions, accompanied the Allied convoys. Apparently, Ayusheev was captured on one of such business trips. The photographer wrote down the name of the sailor, but was a little mistaken in an unusual name for him. In the photo archive of the Diament he is listed as Rashna. Literally one line was written about the soldier: "In the October battles of 1944 near Murmansk Ayusheev killed 25 Nazis." After the publication of the picture, several fellow sniper responded. However, none of them knows about the fate of Radna Ayusheev. Magazine for special forces "Brother" (C).
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 16 2016 11: 35
          +13
          Quote: vvp2
          Here he is, an educated and competent sailor. Only such could master SVT. Others, nothing.

          As the saying goes: in skillful hands and horseradish balalaika, and in inept balalaika horseradish. laughing
          It should be noted that in the prewar years two rifles of Simonov and Tokarev were tested, Tokarev won, who had a much greater authority in the design of small arms.
          Who cares: http: //www.armoury-online.ru/articles/slr/ru/svt-40
          http://militaryarms.ru/oruzhie/vintovki/samozaryadnaya-vintovka-tokareva-obzor-s
          vt-38-i-svt-40 /


          here is kintstso
        3. Sea snake
          Sea snake April 16 2016 16: 24
          +14
          Quote: vvp2
          Here he is, an educated and competent sailor. Only such could master SVT. Others, nothing.

          Hear syudy, ironic infusoria ... go to this link -

          http://che-ratnik.livejournal.com/388356.html

          You will see the Marines and SVT-40, Radna Ayusheeva and 15-year-old heroes boys

          Think ..... can you decode the awards and for what feats they were presented?
          Look and think, so that you don’t write anything anymore.
          1. Sea Wolf
            Sea Wolf April 17 2016 18: 27
            +1
            Thanks for the link. Eternal glory to the heroes. And eternal memory.
            1. Sea snake
              Sea snake April 18 2016 17: 55
              0
              Quote: Sea Wolf
              Thanks for the link. Eternal glory to the heroes. And eternal memory.

              Please buddy!
              If you are interested, then there are still historical photos of our marines -

              http://bbs.voc.com.cn/topic-5658818-1-1.html

              --- some kind of Sino-Korean-Japanese forum))) ... I can not find the familiar letters.
              ======================================
              Here is our, about the North Sea photo review ---

              http://atnews.org/news/vtoraja_mirovaja_vojna_severnyj_flot_
              50_fot/2012-09-26-4679
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 11 June 2016 16: 16
            0
            I see: "The Red Star, the Order of Glory" and the medal, probably, "For Courage." As a rule, like that, to get you had to take great risks. Honor and Glory to the heroes!
        4. V.ic
          V.ic April 16 2016 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: vvp2
          Here he is, an educated and competent sailor.

          Get a fascist grenade: minus!
        5. lelikas
          lelikas April 16 2016 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: vvp2
          Here he is, an educated and competent sailor. Only such could master SVT. Others, nothing.

          I feed, so be it. ;)
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    4. ava09
      ava09 April 16 2016 13: 38
      0
      Quote: PSih2097
      That SVT, that ABC were a breakthrough at that time, were not liked by the army for their complexity compared to a mosinka, but the border guards from the NKVD and sailors respected these weapons. As they say - look after your weapon as a girl and it will not let you down.

      "The army and the border guards with the sailors" cannot "respect" or "disrespect", they consist of many different people. In one squad, a platoon, that of border guards, that of the marines, that of the army, there can be both admirers, exactly related, and fighters with an opposite opinion about this rifle. The author clearly indicated who gave positive and who negative reviews about this weapon, and also explained why the predominance of one or another was in different types of troops and even geographically.
    5. shoemaker
      shoemaker April 16 2016 18: 02
      +6
      And for us sailors, any woman is a joy, and even more so. I’ll try any piece of iron for you, and a rifle with love.
    6. Blondy
      Blondy April 17 2016 08: 27
      +2
      Well, how will modern PR specialists get in, so they will glamorously ruin everything - and for a long time this "svetka" began to be called "sveta"?
    7. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig April 17 2016 18: 36
      0
      Quote: PSih2097
      As they say - look after your weapon as a girl and it will not let you down.

      Any weapon needs to be looked after, and an automatic one is even better! Any fighter in the know!
  2. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB April 16 2016 06: 13
    -14%
    Fifteen hundred parts and two dozen springs ... What is successful here ???

    And at the same time, it is difficult to find even in world history such a rifle that would receive extremely positive reviews.(C)

    Kalashnikov assault rifle!
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 April 16 2016 07: 06
      +13
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      Fifteen hundred parts and two dozen springs ... What is successful here ???

      Do you think AK is much smaller?
      The springs are exactly 14-15, and no less details ...

      Compared to the three-ruler, everything is complicated.
      1. KKND
        KKND April 16 2016 07: 21
        +7
        Quote: Mik13
        Do you think AK is much smaller?
        The springs are exactly 14-15, and no less details ...

        Compared to the three-ruler, everything is complicated.

        The AK-47 has 96 parts
        In the trilinear about 70.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 April 16 2016 08: 27
          +7
          I disassembled both types, the analysis of SVT is much more difficult than all AK
          for the first time it was still those curses.
          the mosquito is generally versed in 2 main details - pulled out the shutter and ready-clean for health.
          SVT is not exactly what the hell it is. but in the trench to clean it, is already a problem
          1. vvp2
            vvp2 April 16 2016 09: 51
            -3
            Quote: Stas57
            SVT is not exactly what the hell it is. but in the trench to clean it, is already a problem

            And here "clean"? The problem of SVT in the regulation of the gas valve. Which has 5 (!!!) positions, and for the adjustment of which the SVT must be taken apart. And this during the battle in the trench. Top of marasmus.
            Of course, before the battle they put the crane to the maximum. And with this adjustment, the CBT did not live long.
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 April 16 2016 10: 17
              +7
              Quote: vvp2
              And here "clean"?

              at the same time, the sergeant will show you, but there is such a spring that has two bushings inside, so it comes out very poorly, but under certain conditions, it shoots in the snow two times. Especially when you get her frozen hands.
              With the same hands, you won’t insert the shutter cover;
              1. vvp2
                vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 26
                -3
                Quote: Stas57
                Especially when you get her frozen hands.

                I want to upset you, but the fables about "cleaning weapons with frozen hands in battle" are the inventions of fat military leaders in schools. They got accustomed ever since when they were. Nobody and NEVER cleans a weapon in battle and is not going to clean it. And not in battle, if there are no conditions, too.
                In battle, there are plenty of free weapons lying around. Take any and shoot. See enough "war movie", damn it.
                Therefore, SVT was always "regulated" in this way, the crane was set to maximum. From this, the shutter going backward gradually broke the receiver. And move forward, chamber. The rifle worked flawlessly, but for a relatively short time.
                1. Stas57
                  Stas57 April 16 2016 11: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: vvp2
                  I want to upset you, but the fables about "cleaning weapons with frozen hands in battle" are the inventions of fat military leaders in schools. They got accustomed ever since when they were. Nobody and NEVER cleans a weapon in battle and is not going to clean it. And not in battle, if there are no conditions, too.

                  in what battle? Where did I write the word in battle?

                  In battle, there are plenty of free weapons lying around. Take any and shoot. See enough "war movie", damn it.
                  Therefore, SVT was always "regulated" in this way, the crane was set to maximum. From this, the shutter going backward gradually broke the receiver. And move forward, chamber. The rifle worked flawlessly, but for a relatively short time.

                  it’s you seen enough of movie girls, not in any battle wallowing, far from in any
                  1. vvp2
                    vvp2 April 16 2016 11: 31
                    -3
                    Quote: Stas57
                    in what battle? Where did I write the word in battle?

                    And where did I write that only in battle? I wrote about frozen hands.
                    Quote: Stas57
                    not in every battle, far from in every

                    The rifle also failed on the first shot. And by the time she refused, she had enough free weapons.
                    1. Stas57
                      Stas57 April 16 2016 12: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: vvp2

                      And where did I write that only in battle? I wrote about "frozen hands.


                      I want to upset you, but the fables about "cleaning weapons with frozen hands in battle" are the inventions of fat military leaders in schools.

                      You have not indicated any other conditions. and the soldier did not always live in warm dugouts.
                      here living in a trench and frozen hands happen.

                      The rifle also failed on the first shot. And by the time she refused, she had enough free weapons.

                      I think you argue with yourself
                      1. vvp2
                        vvp2 April 16 2016 12: 31
                        -4
                        Quote: Stas57
                        I want to upset you, but the fables about "cleaning weapons with frozen hands in battle" are the inventions of fat military leaders in schools.

                        You have not indicated any other conditions. and the soldier did not always live in warm dugouts.

                        Why pull the phrase out of the general context? The full phrase is:
                        I want to upset you, but the fables about "cleaning weapons with frozen hands in battle" are the inventions of fat military leaders in schools. They got accustomed ever since when they were. Nobody and NEVER cleans a weapon in battle and is not going to clean it. And not in battle, if there are no conditions, either.
                        Didn't you notice the ending?
                        Quote: Stas57
                        here living in a trench and frozen hands happen.

                        I repeat, in the trench, with frozen hands, no one will clean their weapons.
                      2. Stas57
                        Stas57 April 16 2016 12: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: vvp2
                        I repeat, in the trench, with frozen hands, no one will clean their weapons.

                        if a soldier in the trenches for a month doesn’t clean his weapon, this is a problem of the soldier himself, and failures are a problem of a soldier and not a rifle
                      3. vvp2
                        vvp2 April 16 2016 12: 49
                        -4
                        Quote: Stas57
                        if a soldier is in the trench for a month and doesn’t clean his weapon, this is a soldier’s problem

                        No soldiers have been in the trenches for months. There are always dugouts and dugouts on the front line. And the soldiers live there, and not in the trenches. There they clean their weapons.
                      4. Stas57
                        Stas57 April 16 2016 13: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: vvp2
                        No soldiers have been in the trenches for months. There are always dugouts and dugouts on the front line. And the soldiers live there, and not in the trenches. There they clean their weapons.

                        it’s like you’ve seen enough of a movie, there, in the cinema, soldiers are at the forefront and live in beautiful dugouts.
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  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB April 16 2016 23: 30
    0
    Did you hold AK in your hands? How much did they collect / disassemble?
  • goose
    goose April 18 2016 11: 21
    0
    Quote: Mik13
    Compared to the three-ruler, everything is complicated.

    PPSh is easier than a three-line.
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager April 16 2016 08: 48
    -2
    Oh, it’s like a Kalashnikov assault rifle is not a rifle?
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 09: 56
      0
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      It seems like a Kalashnikov assault rifle is not a rifle?

      Rifle. Self-loading assault (weakened army) with the ability to conduct automatic fire. This is if we are talking about AK / AKM. And the assault (weakened army) automatic, if we are talking about the AK-74.
    2. Dam
      Dam April 18 2016 15: 36
      0
      More precisely, an automatic carbine.
  • Borus017
    Borus017 April 16 2016 10: 38
    -7
    In Russia, yes. In the world, no. Over the hill on the AK enough complaints.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 16 2016 16: 18
      +8
      Quote: Borus017
      Over the hill on the AK enough complaints.

      Of course, enough. And the main criticism is "the weapon of the totalitarian state." Maybe stop watching BBS?
    2. goose
      goose April 18 2016 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Borus017
      In Russia, yes. In the world, no. Over the hill on the AK enough complaints.

      Criticism is caused by a chronic shortage of AKs and ammunition in the US due to sanctions over the past 2 years. So far, they have not been able to fully import substitutes.
    3. uragan114
      uragan114 April 18 2016 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: Borus017
      In Russia, yes. In the world, no. Over the hill on the AK enough complaints.


      So much so that even on the flags of several states he is present. And even the names (name) are assigned to the children
  • yehat
    yehat April 18 2016 09: 56
    0
    Quote: AllXVahhaB
    Fifteen hundred parts and two dozen springs ... What is successful here ???

    to understand this, compare with what others had. There are many who tried to make a self-loading rifle, but the SVT-40 was in fact one of the best.
    she had her minuses, but there were minuses and other rifles.
  • fitter71
    fitter71 April 22 2016 20: 17
    +1
    Quote: AllXVahhaB
    Kalashnikov assault rifle!

    even here you can find many "comrades" who pray at the m-16, and Kalash of all modifications is called squalor and the most unsuccessful weapon of all time ...
    Quote: AllXVahhaB
    Fifteen hundred parts and two dozen springs ... What is successful here ???

    I'm ashamed to ask ... is it from the height of today's knowledge and skills of technologists, or did you personally "feel" it during the war, and in comparison with analogs? a rhetorical question, of course ...
  • KKND
    KKND April 16 2016 06: 23
    0
    In addition, Tokarev self-loading was a rather complicated system from the point of view of design: almost one and a half hundred parts, including several dozen rather small ones, and two dozen springs.

    Hmm ... the M1 has a guarantee of about 70 parts, the M14 has about 85, the SVD has 60 parts. And then we should wonder why the people in its mass disliked it. It was still necessary to construct something simpler (IMHO).
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS April 16 2016 12: 18
      +3
      Quote: KKND
      It was still necessary to construct something simpler

      It is always difficult to be a pioneer, and given the tight timelines, it is doubly difficult.
      By the way, strictly speaking, the AK family can be considered as "nephews" of the Tokarev rifle.
      1. Assistant
        Assistant April 17 2016 15: 57
        +1
        the AK family can be considered as "nephews" of the Tokarev rifle


        It is better to consider FN FAL as a niece - she also has a vertical shutter locking and a short stroke of a gas piston that is not connected to the bolt frame and has its own return spring. AK is not so.
    2. Alf
      Alf April 16 2016 16: 23
      +1
      Quote: KKND
      Hmm ... the M1 has a guarantee of about 70 parts, the M14 has about 85, the SVD has 60 parts. And then we should wonder why the people in its mass disliked it. It was still necessary to construct something simpler (IMHO).

      Because if not every first owner of M1, then every second had a personal car, and in the USSR the introduction of universal primary education, not to mention higher education, began only in the 20s. Therefore, they did not like.
  • bionik
    bionik April 16 2016 06: 50
    +23
    Worker militia from the Krasny Oktyabr plant in Stalingrad, sniper Pyotr Alekseevich Goncharov (1903 - 1944), armed with a personalized SVT-40 sniper rifle at a firing position near Stalingrad. In the battles for Stalingrad, he destroyed about 50 enemy soldiers.

    By June 25, 1943 he served as a sniper of the 44th Guards Rifle Regiment (15th Guards Rifle Division, 7th Guards Army, Voronezh Front). Guard sergeant Goncharov destroyed 380 soldiers (and according to other sources more than 400) from a sniper rifle, trained 9 enemy soldiers in sniper business. January 10 was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Petr Alekseevich died on January 31, 1944 in the battles for the village of Vodyanoye (Sofievsky district of the Dnipropetrovsk region).
    1. visitork67
      visitork67 April 16 2016 20: 52
      -1
      And what is characteristic: he died not as a result of a weapon failure. He had once before brought a weapon to a normal battle. In the fifth and sixth thousand shots without basic TO, only Sly and Schwartz manage to curse, rearm and scratch their eggs before the next feat.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 11 June 2016 16: 26
      0
      Hero of the Soviet Union L. Pavlyuchenko also had SVT
  • Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai April 16 2016 07: 05
    +7
    Quote from the article:
    By the way, SVT-40 was also respected by our opponents - Germans and Finns.

    The Wehrmacht captured a huge number of "brand new in oil" rifles and military hardware, and the famous "three-rulers" located in the warehouses of the western military districts in the immediate vicinity of the state border, according to the deployment of the General Staff of the Red Army. Also, the Wehrmacht seized a large number of rifles from captured Red Army soldiers, of whom there were hundreds of thousands at the beginning of the war, and finally part was collected from the battlefields. The Wehrmacht fought on them almost the entire war. Its German production could not cope with the needs of the front. And the Finns even more so.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 16 2016 16: 26
      +6
      Quote: Ivan Tartugay
      The Wehrmacht fought on them almost the entire war.
      1. Ivan Tartugai
        Ivan Tartugai April 16 2016 17: 36
        +4
        For the soldier of the Wehrmacht SVT a very welcome trophy. The Wehrmacht did not have its self-loading rifle until the age of 43, and in 43, the Germans used the Soviet SVT.
        In the photo, soldiers of the Wehrmacht near Kharkov, February 1943.
  • Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai April 16 2016 07: 41
    +7
    Quote from the article:
    Not all even the pre-war draftee of the Red Army could cope with all this machinery. According to the recollections of the military leaders of the pre-war era, even in parts of the western districts, where, first of all, after the adoption of the SVT-40, they began to supply it, by the beginning of the war, not all ordinary soldiers had really mastered it.

    The SVT rifle was intended for fighters of rifle divisions. And the infantry is in direct contact with the enemy, they literally look at each other, eyes to eyes. This is the most difficult form of troops, in terms of the costs of physical and moral forces. The SVT rifle, on the other hand, required still a lot of additional time and effort to service it, which could be used by fighters for a break after fighting marches, to restore strength.
    And taking into account that mainly infantry from villages, villages and villages fought in the infantry, the task of mastering and servicing SVT rifles was even more complicated. Unfortunately, the average level of education of guys from our villages, auls and villages was lower than urban then, and now it is completely bad.
    It was difficult to manufacture in factories, which by the way during the war were massively attended by less trained, less skilled workers, namely old pensioners, women housewives, teenagers, difficult to master by fighters, and maintenance and repair in combat conditions.
    1. visitork67
      visitork67 April 16 2016 20: 56
      -4
      I respect the opinion of a rural engineer. So to speak, an inside look. Applause.
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  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 16 2016 07: 48
    +4
    since I needed a fine-tuning, depending on the time of year, but also careful care and constant attention, since it was a real cleanliness.
    According to the available reviews of the veterans who fought with the "Svetka", there were complaints in terms of REGULAR cleaning of the rifle. And not always the soldier had the opportunity to CAREFULLY clean the weapon. This is perhaps the only drawback. Otherwise, it was a good example of a self-loading rifle.
  • AID.S
    AID.S April 16 2016 08: 00
    +1
    "One of the famous military maxims says that it is not weapons that are fighting - the people who are fighting are fighting. In other words, no matter how wonderful a particular piece of military equipment may be, all its advantages can be nullified by inept use. And vice versa. , a skilled warrior will turn even a weak weapon into a formidable force.
    .................
    Perhaps it is difficult to find in the long list of domestic weapon systems a second example of such an ambiguous and contradictory assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of weapons, which the SVT-40 was awarded. And at the same time, it is difficult to find such a rifle, even in world history, that would receive extremely positive reviews. "

    Well, right about the M16 ..
  • mixdiur
    mixdiur April 16 2016 08: 25
    -1
    Quote: AID.S
    "One of the famous military maxims says that it is not weapons that are fighting - the people who are fighting are fighting. In other words, no matter how wonderful a particular piece of military equipment may be, all its advantages can be nullified by inept use. And vice versa. , a skilled warrior will turn even a weak weapon into a formidable force.
    .................
    Perhaps it is difficult to find in the long list of domestic weapon systems a second example of such an ambiguous and contradictory assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of weapons, which the SVT-40 was awarded. And at the same time, it is difficult to find such a rifle, even in world history, that would receive extremely positive reviews. "

    Well, right about the M16 ..
    Only_from_ne__time_rejected, and_how_s_M16 ??
    ? !!
  • Stas57
    Stas57 April 16 2016 08: 29
    +4
    By the way, the department with SVT and DP was approximately equal in power to the Department with MG34 and 98k.
    I even wanted to gag an article on a topic.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 02
      -2
      Quote: Stas57
      By the way, the department with SVT and DP was approximately equal in power to the Department with MG34 and 98k.

      Better gash about Garanda + BAR. It will be more correct in terms of delays.
      But in fact, the American branch was armed better and more flexible than the German. Knocking out German machine gunners, their opponents learned voluntarily quickly. Therefore, by the middle of the war, the Germans in the infantry division needed a couple ... MP43 / StG44. For close combat.
      In addition, you can not write, in the internet there are articles on this topic.
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  • DesToeR
    DesToeR April 16 2016 09: 02
    0
    Quote: Stas57
    By the way, the department with SVT and DP was approximately equal in power to the Department with MG34 and 98k.

    How so? That the MG-34 was "pulling out" the rest of the riflemen?
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 April 16 2016 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: DesToeR
      Quote: Stas57
      By the way, the department with SVT and DP was approximately equal in power to the Department with MG34 and 98k.

      How so? That the MG-34 was "pulling out" the rest of the riflemen?

      not MG pulled, but SVT pulled.
      ok, I’ll fill out an article the other day
      1. vomag
        vomag April 16 2016 09: 46
        +1
        Zhdemsss with impatience hi
        1. vvp2
          vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 34
          -3
          Quote: vomag
          Zhdemsss with impatience

          German branch (10 people):
          545 rounds per minute (fire density) - up to 200 m
          455 rounds per minute (fire density) - further 200 m

          Soviet branch (11 people):
          The beginning of the Second World War:
          395 rounds per minute (fire density) - up to 200 m
          215 rounds per minute (fire density) - further 200 m

          Since the fall of 1941:
          325 rounds per minute (fire density) - up to 200 m
          145 rounds per minute (fire density) - further 200 m
    2. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 05
      0
      Quote: DesToeR
      Why did the MG-34 “pull out” the rest of the riflemen?

      Pulled out. While the machine gunner was not covered by a mine or a sniper shot him. Not a famous, ordinary linear shooter.
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    4. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin April 18 2016 11: 40
      -1
      MG-34 is a very successful machine gun with a high rate of fire. In a modernized form - MG-3, it was in the arsenal of different states for many post-war years.
      1. Disorder
        Disorder April 18 2016 13: 58
        +2
        You confuse the MG-34 with the MG-42.
        MG-34 had the same drawbacks as the SVT - it was sensitive to pollution and too expensive and time-consuming to manufacture. Therefore, it was replaced by MG-42, which continued the post-war career, first under the name MG-42/59, and then MG-3.
  • tolancop
    tolancop April 16 2016 09: 41
    +10
    ".. By this time, almost nothing remained of the cadre units of the Red Army that met the enemy on the western borders. Accordingly, most of the SVT-40 rifles they were armed with were lost - according to documents, the troops lacked almost a million units of these weapons. remaining on the battlefield after retreating to the east. The losses of personnel were compensated for by mass mobilization ... "
    The initial data are generally correct, but the conclusion ...
    "..but the new fighters did not undergo sufficient shooting training, not to mention to seriously master such a complex technique as the Tokarev rifle. They needed simpler three-lines, and a difficult decision was made: to curtail the production of SVT in favor of expanding the production of Mosin rifles . " wrong done.
    The complexity of manufacturing SVT-40 is several times greater than the complexity of manufacturing a three-line. Given the loss of millions of small arms barrels and the loss of part of the production base, the choice of which is better to equip 3 fighters with a three-line gun or 1 SVT-40 fighter, leaving two of his comrades unarmed, I believe, was obvious. All this has already been described more than once or twice.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila April 16 2016 17: 06
      +4
      not only laboriousness ... but also accessibility to study and the degree of knowledge among the population, Mosinka was better known and did not require additional study.
  • vvp2
    vvp2 April 16 2016 09: 42
    -24%
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    SVT-40 - one of the most famous examples of automatic weapons of the Second World War

    It is a well-known truth that if something is called "famous" or "legendary", then you should be careful, most likely something is hiding behind it.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    it’s not a weapon that fights - the people who hold it in their arms are fighting

    Well, what did I say? The arrows are immediately moved in the right direction. This is not SVT rubbish, these are our ancestors "stupid d * beats". Well, they could not master the simplest piece of iron with three parts. With a light movement of his hand, Antonov took it, and everyone was greeted.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    And thanks to this, Russia turned out to be one of the two countries in the world that met the Second World War, having self-loading rifles in their armaments.

    For starters, the USSR, not Russia. And for the end, the USSR did not make a normal self-loading army rifle until the end of its days. I couldn’t.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    And at the same time, it’s difficult to find even in world history such a rifle that would receive extremely positive reviews

    Well, why? Marand M1 mentioned above, for example.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    Even grease that was too thick could damage the SVT-40, not to mention trench mud.

    The author is inconsistent. Then he writes that SVT was good. And then he cites evidence that it was rubbish. The author needs to decide what he wants to say.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    They needed simpler trilines.

    Soon in such articles we will read that they were in vain armed with the ancient three-rulers, they needed axes and pitchforks. By the way, the three-rulers didn’t arm them very much. Often shit like PPSh. Well, this is such an intermediate option, between a crappy three-ruler and a pitchfork.
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    the legendary Russian gunsmith Fedor Tokarev

    I already wrote about the "legendary" above. In my memory, Tokarev has not created anything worthwhile during his "activity". However, in the USSR there was a carriage of such "legendary figures".
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    She was highly appreciated by experienced fighters of the Red Army, especially the Marines.

    Soviet "marines" are former mechanics, gunners and signalmen. In fact, for the infantry, these are the same untrained conscripts. Why did they suddenly become "experienced fighters"?
    Quote: Sergey Antonov
    a ten-shot magazine and the ability to fire at a higher pace made it a much more convenient defense weapon.

    When she did not refuse, and failures were a frequent occurrence.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 09: 43
      -16%
      Quote: Sergey Antonov
      they are almost “fully armed with light machine guns” (as, in particular, one German soldier who found himself on the Eastern Front wrote to his relatives). SVT-40 has achieved the same respect among American specialists

      Some respected. Others adored. But they were in no hurry to copy. Because no respect and adoration actually existed and could not be.
      Quote: Sergey Antonov
      as the Mosin trilinear and the legendary PPSh.

      Yes, there are quality weapons, but sometimes quite the opposite ... "legendary". Here the Red Army armed itself with the legendary.
      Quote: Sergey Antonov
      Dragunov rifle, SVD: the design developed by the self-taught gunsmith, the former Cossack centurion Fedor Tokarev, turned out to be very successful

      1. There is almost nothing in common in the design.
      2. Self-taught will never create a quality thing. Unless at the dawn of anything. Then the trained professionals come into action. And the time for self-taught ends.
      The trouble of the USSR was precisely that self-taught in the age of professionals were engaged in the development of weapons for his army. And these self-taught people, along with their funny crafts, are being promoted today, like supposedly professionals.
      1. Pig
        Pig April 16 2016 21: 28
        +2
        and what are you doing so on "legendary"?) in the history of WWII, no matter what barrel you take all the legendary! and "Bren" and "Thompson" and so on ....
        mass weapons are always "legendary"
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    3. Pig
      Pig April 16 2016 21: 24
      0
      "However, in the USSR there was a wagon of such" legendary figures "
      as well as everywhere
  • ando_bor
    ando_bor April 16 2016 09: 43
    +15
    Memoirs: Pushkarev Lev Nikitich is a veteran of World War II.
    He went through the war in the ranks from private to senior sergeant.
    Currently - a famous scientist, doctor of historical sciences.
    The first battle I took in the ranks of the 3rd Moscow Communist Division. The fight was night - the first. It was scary, it was unusual. But I shot well. I had a SVT rifle - Tokarev self-loading rifle. And they put me in a trench rather in a funnel from a bomb in the direction of the possible advance of the fascist troops. I lay there and when the Germans began to advance, I, therefore, shot at them. A mine gap was wounded pulled me.
    They calculated: after the battle ended, there were eleven corpses at the place where I defended my position. This is my SVT worked ...
  • Verdun
    Verdun April 16 2016 10: 07
    +5
    The rifle was rather complicated, but this is not the only point. The reliability of the weapon is inextricably linked to the quality of ammunition. I read that the SVT rifle was very demanding in this aspect. Gunpowder with heavy carbon formation significantly reduced the effectiveness of the use of weapons. It was such gunpowder that the USSR received from the USA under Lend-Lease; the products of many domestic enterprises sinned the same. Perhaps German gunpowder was deprived of this drawback, which explains the popularity of SVT among the Germans.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 19
      -14%
      Quote: Verdun
      Gunpowder with heavy carbon formation significantly reduced the effectiveness of the use of weapons.

      Soviet "dirty" (with a large amount of impurities) brands of gunpowder made specific requirements for weapons. The method of taking this factor into account, chosen by Tokarev, was clearly unsuccessful. Much more successful was the method chosen by Diagterev (the most talented Soviet shooter designer) in the DP-27.
      Quote: Verdun
      It was such gunpowder that the USSR received from the USA under Lend-Lease

      Bullshit is shovel, of course. Scoops can not bite the hand of the giver, not accustomed.
      Quote: Verdun
      Perhaps German gunpowder was deprived of this shortcoming

      The Germans did not produce cartridges for SVT. Soviet enough. And the popularity is simply explained:
      1. The cost of 0.
      2. The crane is set to the maximum, and the SVT fails, albeit relatively briefly, to fire. Then a new CBT is taken with a cost of 0, and then in a circle.
  • Forever so
    Forever so April 16 2016 10: 11
    +2
    The mosquito was designated as a shooting spear)) But over time, the spears became more and more difficult. In general, redoing the SVT on an intermediate cartridge and shortening the barrel would have received a very interesting design.
    1. the villain
      the villain April 16 2016 10: 59
      +9
      Quote: Forever so
      In general, redoing the SVT on an intermediate cartridge and shortening the barrel would have received a very interesting design.

      There is such a design, Simonov’s self-loading carbine is called lol hi
    2. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 11: 06
      -13%
      Quote: Forever so
      In general, redoing the SVT on an intermediate cartridge and shortening the barrel would have received a very interesting design.

      It is impossible to create anything interesting chambered for 7,62x39 mm. This is clearly seen from history. Where are these fat herds of SKS, AK-47 / AK / AKM and RPK? There are none. Donated to "friends" around the world. Due to the unsuitability for the army.
      But you can hunt jerboas with them. On the bunnies. Even on roe deer, but you have to get very close.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 16 2016 11: 20
        +6
        The cartridge 7,62x39 was in the shadows, because for some time the prevailing opinion about the weight advantages of small-caliber cartridges. Although how tangible was the gain on the AK-74, I personally do not understand. Kalashnikov himself was opposed to switching to a 5,45x39 cartridge, but the leadership of the Moscow Region insisted. In connection with the strengthening of personal protective equipment, there is a gradual return to cartridges of larger calibers. I myself shot at long distances from SKS, AKM and AK-74, and I can say for sure that for such tasks a weapon chambered for 7,62x39 is preferable.
        1. vvp2
          vvp2 April 16 2016 11: 40
          -17%
          Quote: Verdun
          because for some time the prevailing opinion about the weight advantages of small-caliber cartridges.

          You would not write on topics that you do not understand. The weight of ammunition has nothing to do with the replacement of AKM with AK-74. There’s none at all. This is an invention of sofa marshals from the Internet.
          In general, AKM and AK-74 are weapons of various categories. They are only superficially and constructively (unfortunately) similar to each other, and so, nothing in common.
          Quote: Verdun
          Kalashnikov himself was against

          Who is this?
          Quote: Verdun
          In connection with the strengthening of personal protective equipment, there is a gradual return to cartridges of larger calibers.

          Can you give examples?
          Quote: Verdun
          He shot

          It does not matter.
          Quote: Verdun
          and I can definitely say

          And nobody cares.
          The opinion of professionals, the calculations of terminal ballistics (such a science) matters. And not the one who once shot from somewhere and somewhere.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 April 16 2016 12: 53
            +14
            Listen, from your moralizing already tired. This is not the first article where in the comments you impose the idea that the Kalashnikov assault rifle is not an assault rifle, but an assault rifle. Natural americos - IN RUSSIA AK IS AUTOMATIC KALASHNIKOV. YOUR DIVISIONS AND GRADUATIONS ARE NOT NEEDED TO BE IMPOSED, HOW THOU WOULD IDENTIFY THIS AND CALL IT, WE MAYBE LIKE LOGGING CALLED OUT, DO YOU HAVE THAT?
          2. Verdun
            Verdun April 16 2016 15: 01
            +6
            It is very difficult to communicate with people for whom only their own opinion matters.
          3. the villain
            the villain April 16 2016 15: 22
            +7
            Quote: vvp2
            In general, AKM and AK-74 are weapons of various categories. They are only superficially and constructively (unfortunately) similar to each other, and so, nothing in common
            “You, professor, your will, you thought up something awkward! It may be smart, but painfully incomprehensible. They will make fun of you. ” hi
        2. bunta
          bunta April 17 2016 08: 02
          +5
          MTK was against the new cartridge because of its poor penetration. And he was right. But over time, penetration increased by 8 (!) Times. The current 7Н24 in penetration exceeds the American twice.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun April 17 2016 14: 06
            0
            So imagine what efficiency could be achieved within the framework of a cartridge of 7,62 caliber! Despite the fact that I have not personally heard about effective armor-piercing rounds of 5,45 caliber.
            1. bunta
              bunta April 17 2016 15: 22
              +2
              Do you think no one has bothered with this before you?

              7Н23 (7,62) - sheet 5 mm steel joint venture - 200 meters.
              7H24 (5,45) punches the same steel from 350 meters.

              The reason is that the 5,45 has a higher initial speed, better aerodynamics of the bullet. It is impossible to improve either one for the 7,62 cartridge.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun April 17 2016 15: 49
                +2
                When the word "impossible" is used in technology, it usually means that the task is beyond the power of a specific specialist. And then, what is JV steel? Steel St3sp - I know. This is how they make rails out of it, not armored vehicles. As for the penetration data, it differs from site to site. In addition, as far as I understand, with an increase in the distance, small-bore bullets lose their penetrating capabilities faster.
                1. bunta
                  bunta April 17 2016 16: 33
                  +2
                  Joint venture special for bulletproof vests. I recommend the remaining materials from the direct developer of cartridges N. Dvoryaninov in his monograph.
                  In "technology" and not only, "impossible" sometimes means the limit of technical development. otherwise small arms would have long been invisible, weightless and fired atomic charges.
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun April 17 2016 17: 46
                    +1
                    SP special for body armor

                    The design of body armor uses a wide variety of steels and alloys. To list everything - there is not enough space. Depends both on the country of manufacture and on the requirements for body armor. And to judge the development of ammunition from one monograph is rather strange. It’s the same as learning to cook with only one cookbook. It may be tasty, but the menu is limited.
                    1. bunta
                      bunta April 17 2016 18: 44
                      +2
                      Quote: Verdun
                      SP special for body armor

                      The design of body armor uses a wide variety of steels and alloys. To list everything - there is not enough space. Depends both on the country of manufacture and on the requirements for body armor. And to judge the development of ammunition from one monograph is rather strange. It’s the same as learning to cook with only one cookbook. It may be tasty, but the menu is limited.


                      The joint venture was chosen as a sample for testing cartridges. As for "cooking", there are about three hundred references to primary sources for 4 volumes of the monograph - practically all known information. You would have purchased only 12 rubles. You look and write less nonsense.
                      1. Verdun
                        Verdun April 17 2016 19: 06
                        0
                        You look and would write less nonsense.

                        I did not deal with bulletproof vests, but I participated in the creation of armored vehicles, although not yesterday. And at that time, the standard procedure for shelling equipment for protection against small arms was shelling from the SCS, using a cartridge of 7,62 × 39 mm. And this despite the fact that the 5,45 cartridge was in service for a long time. Although the technology, of course, does not stand still. As for the multi-page monographs, the general director of the research institute in which I worked, the academician received on a topic that was not worth a damn. True, then he was stripped of this title ...
        3. goose
          goose April 18 2016 11: 38
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          I myself shot at long distances from SKS, AKM and AK-74, and I can say for sure that for such tasks a weapon chambered for 7,62x39 is preferable.

          Getting from the AK-74 is easier than from the AK-47 to a distance of 250m.
          The best sniper is a carbine.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun April 18 2016 21: 02
            0
            The best sniper is a carbine.

            I didn’t shoot from the AK-47, but from the AKM at a distance of 300 m without optics, single, with three rounds I knock 27 points into the chest target. A weapon is such an individual thing ...
  • Severok
    Severok April 16 2016 10: 20
    +8
    The article, which is very good in content, contains many semantic and historical errors. About replacing one word "axiom" with another, inappropriate in meaning, one must at all be silent ...
    Regarding the units that fought in the Arctic during the Second World War, their weapons SVT-40. To begin with, let me touch on such a topic as the technical literacy of the soldiers who fought in the Murmansk direction. By December 1942, at the turn of the Zapadnaya Litsa River, fighters called up from the reserve from all over the country, from the enterprises of Murmansk and even ZK were fighting, refer to the tag "Wild Division in the Arctic", read. It will become clear that its personnel were not armed with SVT.
    Who was armed with this wonderful weapon in the Arctic? She was armed with units of the border troops, units of the NKVD, as well as the Marines of the Northern Fleet, tk. these rifles were in service with the crews of surface ships. Regarding the sufficiency of small arms of the units that fought in the Murmansk direction, I propose to refer to the book of Admiral A. Golovko "Together with the Fleet", which describes the almost complete removal of individual small arms from ships and leaving only pistols in service with command personnel.

    I have the honor.
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  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 16 2016 10: 22
    -3
    In the memoirs of veterans I read, they called SVT- "junk", a very capricious and unreliable weapon
    1. the villain
      the villain April 16 2016 11: 23
      +11
      Quote: Gray 43
      SVT- "junk", a very capricious and unreliable weapon

      I strongly disagree, from my own experience of owning a hunting variant of the SVT-O rifle, I can say the following:
      I somehow did not notice the supercomplexities of the mechanism, incomplete disassembly for cleaning can be difficult (IMHO), except for a completely hand-worn individual. Moodiness and insecurity are also not noted, just ANY firearm needs to be cleaned and lubricated from time to time, even the legendary KALASHNIKOV AUTOMATIC MACHINE.
      With the correct adjustment of the gas outlet unit (tamper to the rescue), the mechanism works softly and comfortably, however, the broads of the SVETKA's ears are very noticeable. And yet, the rifle is simply elegant and beautiful. hi
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 16 2016 11: 35
        0
        On the hunt a slightly different intensity of fire.
      2. vvp2
        vvp2 April 16 2016 11: 43
        -10%
        Quote: Villain
        from my own experience of owning a hunting variant of the SV rifle

        The requirements for hunting and army weapons are somewhat different. Although hunting, of course, is closer to the army than sports.
        I mentioned sports because it is often like to compare army and sports weapons too.
      3. kumaxa
        kumaxa April 17 2016 18: 01
        +1
        that's what 100% percent agree. so that the Cossack centurion in girls understood .m1 in comparison with St. ugly! yes swt has a more elegant look.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 16 2016 10: 41
    +6
    Losses of personnel were offset by mass mobilization, but the new fighters did not undergo sufficient rifle training, not to mention taking seriously such sophisticated equipment as the Tokarev rifle. They needed simpler three-rulers, and a difficult decision was made: to curtail the production of SVT in favor of expanding the production of Mosin rifles
    The main thing here is also the PRICE. "Sveta" cost more than "tar" - DP27, and for the price that was paid for it, you could buy almost a dozen "mosinki". So, everything is logical, when the army urgently needs to be equipped with weapons, then especially expensive samples have to be abandoned.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 10: 45
      -10%
      Quote: svp67
      "Sveta" was more expensive than "tar" - DP27

      Why only tar? Write immediately, more expensive than the KV tank. Sounds nice too.
      PS. If the SVT cost more than the DP, then all the fighters would be armed with the DP. Automatic rifle (DP-27) in this case is more profitable on all sides than self-loading SVT.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 16 2016 15: 46
        +9
        Quote: vvp2
        If CBT was worth

        Esperd (vvp), it seems he studied, knows ... But he’s self-confident and rude, he says everything about some scoops ... He doesn’t like them, apparently.
        But ... got it. laughing
        How not to remember Kuzma Prutkov: "if you have a fountain - shut it up ...".
  • Disorder
    Disorder April 16 2016 10: 44
    +2
    Against the background of the article "SVT. Rifle career" http://topwar.ru/34534-svt-karera-vintovki.html looks pathetic.
  • dv_generalov
    dv_generalov April 16 2016 10: 56
    +11
    I did not hold this copy in my hands, but my grandfather began his service in 1943. with this rifle. What feedback about her I voiced. And he began his studies and service in the infantry: automatic - high firepower, but a small store two, three short lines and all. It’s good to work in a triple or squad, in fact a dense continuous fire curtain. Weaknesses: highly susceptible to grease and dirt. I didn’t keep it — there were problems with the shutter, I didn’t put it in order after work — problems with the gas vent mechanism. But as the main weapon for the infantry platoon, the squad called it precisely for its time it was a breakthrough. According to my grandfather: the quality of training at the beginning of the war was reduced, specialties were narrowed down - this was required by the war, which caused problems in operation, plus cost and labor hours (Vintoka Mosin blocked all this by 300% and covered the deficit). The decisive factor was the military economy, and it was not possible to improve its time as an AK.
    And in this choice, the country's leadership turned out to be right. These are the comments my grandfather - Cheshkov Ram Aleksandrovich, told me
    1. Alf
      Alf April 16 2016 16: 32
      +7
      Quote: dv_generalov
      automatic - high firepower, but a small store two, three short lines and all.

      What are two, three short bursts of self-loading rifle? Maybe he got the AVT-40?
      1. kumaxa
        kumaxa April 17 2016 18: 14
        0
        in general, the ABC-36 was adopted. and in parallel SVT-38 then SVT-40! maybe AVSki stayed here with grandfather and passed the opportunity. why this koment added. I watched a dock movie about the battles near the lake HASAN there were many photos of fighters with AVSkami. Then he was interested in nete, he also found many photos of fighters from ABC.
      2. kumaxa
        kumaxa April 17 2016 19: 40
        0
        already wrote off the car was not adopted by the Red Army. ABC in terms of ergonomics is decoupled from the SVT by a specific muzzle brake. Who would be interested. Encyclopedia of small arms B. ZhUK + no.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 17 2016 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: kumaxa
          the car was not adopted by the Red Army.

          On May 20, 1942, the State Defense Committee adopted a decree on the production of Tokarev automatic rifle mod. 1940 (AVT-40), which since July began to enter the army. AVT-40 in its structure was similar to SVT-40, but thanks to the presence of an interpreter, whose role was played by the fuse, it could conduct both single and continuous fire.
    2. goose
      goose April 18 2016 12: 29
      0
      Quote: dv_generalov
      Vintok Mosin blocked all this at 300% and covered the deficit

      It should be noted that it was mainly Mosin’s rifle that was manufactured, but a carbine based on the 1938 rifle, and it was mainly used by non-first-line personnel — all kinds of gunners, cooks, drivers, sappers, signalmen, etc., of whom army no less than the actual shooters. The riflemen were mainly armed with the Mosin rifle of 1931, which was not produced in such huge quantities as the carbine of 38/44 and the SVT, which were not so few, given the total screw output of 13 million.
  • Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari April 16 2016 10: 59
    +2
    SVT is a good weapon, but not for motorized rifles, especially not for the army that the USSR had in 1940, there should be questions for those who identified this rifle as such. Too complicated, too expensive for such a war, which was only proved.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 April 16 2016 22: 03
      0
      Probably it was necessary to arm the army in such a way the USSR ...........
      1. goose
        goose April 18 2016 12: 33
        0
        Quote: hohol95
        Probably it was necessary to arm the army in such a way the USSR ...........

        You would have brought here a Chinese ball officer crossbow from the Second World War, which was used exclusively for disciplinary purposes.
  • moskowit
    moskowit April 16 2016 12: 16
    0
    For more information on the SVT rifle, anyone can read on the reputable VO site in the material of Semyon Fedoseyev from October 14 2013 of the year ...

    SVT. Career rifle
    14 October 2013 Print

    And further. I suggest those who wish to read the poem by Anatoly Zhigulin "SVT Rifle"
    1. kumaxa
      kumaxa April 17 2016 19: 44
      0
      there are actually specialized .NET small arms sites to help.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 16 2016 12: 32
    +6
    The problem with SVT is the low technical literacy of the conscript contingent. The Red Army was still more "peasant" than a worker. hi
    And so, the design is very successful, FN FAL post-war mechanically-SVT.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 16 2016 12: 37
      -15%
      Quote: Landwarrior
      And so, the design is very successful, FN FAL post-war mechanically-SVT.

      FN FAL has one "slight" advantage over SVT. Exactly the same as that of the American Garand. Unlike SVT, it worked.
      And the development of the "Belgian" is still pre-war. In 1937. Sev received a lot of patents for it.
      1. the villain
        the villain April 16 2016 16: 06
        +10
        Quote: vvp2
        FN FAL has one "slight" advantage over SVT. Exactly the same as that of the American Garand. Unlike SVT, it worked.

        FN FAL has never been touched, but for Garand ... SVT can be charged in a mosin, from a clip, can be replaced by a box magazine, by 10, please note cartridges, against 8 Garand, which are also collected in packs, and without packs to the store do not equip, so when the bk is used up, this pack from the store with such a magic sound "BZDYN" flies out that only a deaf person will not understand. And I have a question: did you personally hold SVT in your hands? Shoot? Or simply because of the domestic origin of these weapons you throw feces ??? For my LIGHT, neither on the hunt nor on the shooting range I did not notice such that it would NOT WORK
        1. Dam
          Dam April 16 2016 18: 46
          +11
          This is a local blessed one. All the time he throws feces at Russian weapons. Well pay him for it
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 April 16 2016 22: 07
          +2
          "Sir, Comrade, Barin VVP The second would like to see our soldiers with such a weapon - CHEAP, ANGRY, VERY EASY !!!
  • Kibl
    Kibl April 16 2016 17: 31
    +3
    The main thing is that this rifle also contributed to the Great Victory, and the complexity of the mechanism goes with experience!
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 16 2016 21: 02
    +1
    Better with SVT than so .................
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 16 2016 21: 03
    0
    Or so .............
    1. kumaxa
      kumaxa April 17 2016 18: 46
      0
      NUU! so ento the Chinese campaign Hike JODUVETS lacked here and fought than it was more economical! not for nothing MAVO with STALIN zakorefanil and flooded the Chinese. but one hell of a fist and other antisocial element in their opinion. hammered with bamboo sticks. cheaply and angrily + saving ammunition. I'm not lying. even our dock watched about MAO.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 17 2016 22: 55
        0
        Quote: kumaxa
        NUU! so ento the Chinese campaign Hike JODUVETS lacked here and fought than it was more economical! not for nothing MAVO with STALIN zakorefanil and flooded the Chinese. but one hell of a fist and other antisocial element in their opinion. hammered with bamboo sticks. cheaply and angrily + saving ammunition. I'm not lying. even our dock watched about MAO.

        Did you study grammar and punctuation at school?
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 16 2016 21: 03
    +1
    And you can .................
    1. kumaxa
      kumaxa April 17 2016 17: 56
      0
      ent chavo! fantasy? drinks
  • Gippo
    Gippo April 17 2016 17: 46
    0
    A small excerpt from an article in the World of Weapons magazine.
    According to the soldier's tradition, SVT received the unofficial nickname "Sveta"; they began to attribute to her a capricious female character. Complaints from the troops were mainly reduced to the complexity of the rifle in the development, handling and care. The presence of small parts also led to a high percentage of the failure of this weapon due to their loss (31%, while the magazine rifle model 1891/30, of course, was much lower - only 0,6%). Some aspects of working with SVT were really difficult for mass weapons. For example, rearranging the regulator required the use of a key and was rather painstaking: separate the magazine, move the bolt back and put it on a stop (lifting the stop with a finger through the receiver window), remove the ramrod, remove the false ring, separate the metal casing, pull back the gas piston, with a key turn the branch pipe half a turn, set the required edge of the regulator nut horizontally at the top and fasten the branch pipe with a wrench, release the piston, close the shutter, put a cover plate, put on the false ring, insert the cleaning rod and the magazine. The condition and accuracy of the regulator installation required constant attention from the user. Overall, however, CBT required only careful maintenance to ensure reliable operation and an understanding of the basics to quickly resolve delays. That is, the user had to have a certain technical background.
    Meanwhile, back in May 1940, the People's Commissar for Defense S.K. Tymoshenko, taking cases from K.E. Voroshilov, wrote, among other things: "a) the infantry is less prepared than other types of troops; b) the accumulation of a prepared infantry stock is not enough." By the beginning of the war, the level of training had grown insignificantly, and the SVT device was poorly known even by the majority of those who did military service. But they were also lost in the first six months of the fighting. The reinforcements were even less willing to use such weapons. This is not the fault of an ordinary soldier. Almost all conscripts, a little familiar with technology, were selected for tank and mechanized troops, artillery, signal troops, etc., the infantry received mainly replenishment from the village, and the terms of training fighters for the "queen of the fields" were extremely tight. So for them "three-line" was preferable. It is characteristic that the marines and naval rifle brigades remained loyal to SVT throughout the war - more technically competent youth were traditionally selected for the fleet.
    The CBTs worked quite reliably in the hands of trained snipers. For most partisans, the SVTs left by the retreating army or repulsed by the Germans caused the same attitude as in the rifle units, but the trained NKVD and GRU groups preferred to take sniper SVT and automatic AWTs into the enemy rear.
    A few words about these modifications.
    Sniper rifles accounted for only about 3,5% of the total number of manufactured SVT. They were discontinued on October 1, 1942, resuming the release of a store sniper rifle. Accuracy of firing from SVT was 1,6 times worse. The reasons lay in the shorter barrel length (it also caused a larger muzzle flame), imbalance due to movement and impacts of the mobile system before the bullet left the barrel, displacement of the barrel and receiver in the box, not enough rigid mounting of the sight bracket. It is worth considering the general advantages of store systems over automatic ones in terms of sniper weapons.

    So they loved, and how ....
    1. kumaxa
      kumaxa April 17 2016 19: 57
      +2
      yes crap! the personnel of the Red Army with great success used LIGHT Volunteers and reservists were not trained in the use of these weapons and that's business. if you take an example. Mu16a2 and ac. mastering what will be faster and more understandable? if a military training taught you how to use akm then in a day you’ll get the hell out of m16! even the Yankees, according to the Descavier version, recognized the weapon as simple to operate and learn. like that and a mosquito. what they taught and at school he could use in short. and if you’re not familiar with weapons or equipment, you’ll be sure to get it.
  • kumaxa
    kumaxa April 17 2016 17: 49
    +3
    oh citizens swear !! But everything is simple! look at the footage of the Soviet pre-war newsreel. all draftees. the female half of the community. professors of institutes. pioneers and participants in the civil war. TRP system and Osoaviahim! taught to own a three-line rifle. Mosin. revolver L. NAGAN. and machine gun H. MAXIMA. maybe MADSENA. and throwing grenades F1 and rg. possession of the cousin was taught in textbooks. therefore, everything was decided simply. it was possible for fighters to complete the TRP system to give a mosin and send them into battle in a day! it was unnecessary to conduct additional training for recruits in gun ownership, and so they were trained, and even many of the identification badges had. TRP and VOROSHILOVSKY ARROW. and the sailors. border guards. nkvd. these guys do not know how to say it right. but these professional guys went through training and more than one kshu and mastered more sophisticated weapons; they had time to get used to weapons; and recruits and militias did not have time. therefore, this contingent was given weapons familiar from military training. so argue about the complexity of the design is not appropriate. Yes, and the problem was solved in 1947! fellow
  • Naum
    Naum April 17 2016 20: 23
    -1
    Quote: 2s1122
    hoods
    .

    dugouts - if that's what they meant))) They were a luxury. They were equipped for soldiers only when the front stabilized. And so - in a trench, under an overcoat ... Who will groom and cherish this "Svetka" in such conditions? The native "mosinka" was simpler, more reliable and picky. Because - beloved in the infantry.
    1. Thirteenth
      Thirteenth April 17 2016 20: 47
      +5
      Quote: Naum
      Who will cherish and cherish this "Svetka" in such conditions?



      A soldier who understands that it depends on the failure-free operation of the LIGHT whether he will live or not first to use it, and then he will lie down to sleep. And d..k and makes a mosquito for a week!
    2. goose
      goose April 18 2016 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Naum
      dugouts - if that’s what they meant))) They were a luxury

      Have you read the charters? Dugouts and dugouts were equipped immediately, as soon as the part was fixed. A continuous attack with intense shooting was not conducted for more than 3 days, especially in the field.
      1. Naum
        Naum April 21 2016 21: 13
        0
        Quote: goose
        Continuous attack with intensive shooting was not conducted for more than 3 days

        Read "Vanka company commander" Memoirs of comfrey. An eerie story ... They stepped while there was someone to step, while the legs were moving. The living from fatigue and hunger fell dead. What, nah, "hoods"? To eat and sleep, it is good if in a hut on the floor, under a roof. Who in these inhuman conditions will smear and sort these "20 springs"? The three-line in the field won the war and the PPSh - in the city.
  • Ancient hun
    Ancient hun April 18 2016 09: 33
    +1
    SVT - a noble rifle! I can’t imagine for whom it is difficult? Automation at the highest level, accuracy - excellent !!!
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2016 11: 24
    0
    "unlike the integral tetrahedral bayonet" Mosinka "," (cit.) Didn't understand?!?!? request
  • brn521
    brn521 April 18 2016 11: 25
    0
    almost one and a half hundreds of parts, including several dozen rather small, and two dozen springs

    In 30% of cases, the failure of the rifle was caused by the loss of parts during cleaning and lubrication. These rifles, along with others, were seized and sent for repairs.
    I think it would be possible to compensate by supplying spare parts with rifles. Especially those smaller. And especially small springs. Probably, one could also give magnets or electromagnets to search for lost parts.
  • Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 18 2016 13: 35
    +1
    I think that "Sveta" was an ideal sniper weapon - and the reviews of Soviet, German and Finnish snipers really confirm this.

    Just as a fact - the Wehrmacht captured a huge amount of various weapons.
    And what did they use?
    Of the Soviet aircraft - nothing at all.
    Of the Soviet tanks - only after modernization almost exclusively T-34 and rarely Kv-1.
    Of the Soviet guns - several types, including for ersatz stuff.
    From the Soviet small arms - "mosinka" and "maxims" were actually disdained, but "SVT" - was considered a supertrophy, ANALOGUES OF WHICH in the Wehrmacht's armament did not exist!

    I think this is more than an eloquent fact, confirming the magnificent characteristics of these Soviet weapons!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 11 June 2016 17: 06
      0
      Miail Matyushin. Let me correct you: the Wehrmacht willingly used 76mm Grabin’s guns in the presence of ammunition (our shells do not fit their guns). I read about this from Grabin. PPS in the Waffen SS (there is d / f)
  • Gippo
    Gippo April 18 2016 23: 26
    -1
    Of the Soviet guns - several types, including for ersatz stuff.

    Agaschias.


    76 mm divisional gun of the 1936 model (F-22)

    In 1941 - 1942 the Germans captured a large number of these guns. Initially, they were used as field tools, assigning the index FK296 (r). At the end of 1941, German engineers, having studied the tool, found out that it had large safety margins. It was decided to convert the captured F-22s into anti-tank guns of 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r). The modernization included a bore of the chamber under a larger case, installation of a muzzle brake, transfer of the guidance mechanism to one side with an aim, reduction of the elevation angle, exclusion of the variable rollback mechanism. A new ammunition was designed for the gun. As such, the F-1942, which began to arrive in German troops in the spring of 22, became the Wehrmacht's best anti-tank gun at that time. In total, 560 guns were redesigned, which were used both in the towed version and were installed on anti-tank self-propelled guns Marder II and Marder III.

    Do not write nonsense.
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  • Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 24 2016 23: 45
    0
    Quote: Gippo
    in the spring of 1942, the F-22 became the Wehrmacht's best anti-tank gun at that time.

    Did you write it in hops? or just too lazy to read my comment?

    In general, I just do not deny the presence of captured Soviet guns, actively used in the Wehrmacht. BUT the best anti-tank gun - whatever one may say - both in 41 and 42, the Germans had the famous "88".

    In general, the article deals with the SVT and on both sides of the front (which is rare) considered it an ideal "sniper".
  • Monarchist
    Monarchist 11 June 2016 17: 26
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    In 1941, my cousin, Degtev F.I, was a border guard and then in the NKVD division. He said that SVT was nonsense: it required careful leaving and he willingly changed it to a three-ruler. When PPSh appeared, the remnants of the SVT armed the rear units.