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New frigate of the German Navy Baden-Württemberg went to sea for testing

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A week ago, sea trials of the 125 (F125) F 222 Baden-Württemberg project, built for the German Navy by the shipbuilding company Blohm + Voss Naval GmbH (Hamburg), began. bmpd.




Ship transfer the fleet scheduled for mid-2017. In total, the German Ministry of Defense in 2007 ordered 4 frigates of the new project 125 for the Navy. The transaction amount is € 2,69 billion.

It is noted that "the design and construction of Project 125 frigates for the German fleet is carried out by the ARGE F125 consortium, which unites TKMS (with Blohm + Voss Naval GmbH as the lead) and Friedrich Lürssen Werft GmbH & Co (the latter owns a 20% stake").

New frigate of the German Navy Baden-Württemberg went to sea for testing


The customer should have received the lead frigate as early as 2014. However, “due to the contradictory and constantly changing requirements of the German fleet for new frigates, their design was delayed and the actual construction of the lead ship was started only in 2011 year, which led to a delay of about three years "- said in a statement.

The remaining three ships are scheduled for delivery from 2018-th to 2020.

The frigate of the 125 project has a full displacement of 7200 t, the length is 149,5 m, and the width is 18,8 m. There is no data on armament.

Photos used:
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (via Jane's), wetjov / www.vesseltracker.com
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  1. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer April 14 2016 15: 05
    +19
    Good infection! It’s a pity not ours, we wouldn’t be disturbed by such.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 14 2016 15: 10
      +1
      In Klaipeda "Donald Cook" is already standing and "does not interfere".
      1. cniza
        cniza April 14 2016 15: 34
        +5
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        Good infection! It’s a pity not ours, we wouldn’t be disturbed by such.


        Yes, the Germans know how to make ships and they are good sailors, but I think they are not a threat to us, we have enough money if that.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES April 14 2016 17: 11
          +5
          Quote: cniza
          but I think they are not a threat to us, we have enough money if that.


          The French also thought so in due time ... remember what came of it? You should not underestimate even the probable opponent ... will come out sideways.
        2. satelit24
          satelit24 April 14 2016 19: 45
          +2
          recourse also in the 41st they said
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      3. opus
        opus April 14 2016 16: 10
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        In Klaipeda "Donald Cook" is already standing and "does not interfere".

        You're not right....
        prevented.



        Poor sailors from Donald Cook. But they are not lucky in the Su-24


        "Having found the ship in the zone of visual visibility, the Russian pilots made a lapel away from it in compliance with all security measures," - said Major General Igor Konashenkov

        “Frankly,” said the general, “ the reason for such a painful reaction of our American colleagues is not clear. "In the operational proximity of the Russian naval base of the Baltic Fleet, the principle of freedom of navigation of the US destroyer does not at all cancel the principle of freedom of aeronautics of Russian aircraft."

        (In Klaipeda, the laundries are good, they are being washed away)


        Comments of American people

        Do not understand. And where is America? Where is the Baltic Sea?

        Drastich

        Look, our sailors seemed to like it.

        Paul grubbs

        To hell with international waters. Does it not seem dangerous that Donald Cook takes part in maneuvers so close to Kaliningrad? Therefore, the reaction is quite predictable. The United States must stop ... on the threshold of Russia in order to avoid similar incidents in the future. The same applies to the South China Sea.

        Peter Walker
        1. opus
          opus April 14 2016 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: opus
          Drastich Look, our sailors kind of liked it.

          our pilots, it seems like the same!
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 14 2016 15: 15
      +3
      it looks very personal. We also have something similar, but for now it’s all on paper and in the form of mock-ups.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 03
        0
        Why is it on paper. Our analog floats - pr. 22350 "Gorshkov" and looks no worse.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec April 14 2016 16: 20
          +4
          Quote: spravochnik
          Our analog floats - pr. 22350 "Gorshkov" and looks no worse.

          Well, it floats in the toilet ... this time ... - two ... pots of 4500 tons displacement, and reach 7200 .. this is almost 2 times ..., well, three what difference does it make who looks, the main thing is performed a combat mission ....
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 43
            +1
            The form of communication delights and matches the avatar. This is the first. Secondly, I answered a specific phrase, so I touched on how it looks, especially since it looks really good. Thirdly, both frigates, just a German because of the specific concept of use turned out to be oversized.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec April 14 2016 17: 18
              0
              Quote: spravochnik
              The form of communication delights and matches the avatar.

              The style of your air shocks matches your culture and education.
              secondly, the German looks even very, very interesting .. well, and thirdly ... the Deutsch was created for the purposes of which indicateddonavi49... everything is very specifically spelled out, and you make your own personal conclusions and issue them as an axiom!
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 20
      +8
      The closest analogue will be pr. 22160.

      True, it is smaller, carries an 1 helicopter with less fuel autonomy, and it was built without advanced technology that allows the 24 of the month to be in active operation, without factory service and repair in the database.

      Otherwise, they are ideologically similar. This series of frigates was built with correction based on the successful experience of Abdasalon. That is, the main task is peacekeeping operations, work with refugees, work with violators in peacetime, the fight against terrorists, the fight against pirates, the fight against smuggling into third countries (in other words, sea blockades, against fishing fleets with AK and ATGM in the hold under a fish )
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 April 14 2016 15: 29
        +3
        A normal boat, although for my taste another is more beautiful)))


        Pictured cruiser Varyag, 1902
        1. ametist415
          ametist415 April 14 2016 15: 45
          -4
          "Varyag" like "Aurora" had a lot of foreign components and they were outdated on the stocks, even for their time, having weak armor and weapons for a ship of such a displacement.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 14 2016 15: 57
            +10
            Quote: ametist415
            "Varyag" like "Aurora" had a lot of foreign components

            It would be strange if the "Varyag", built at the American shipyard, had many domestic components. laughing
            Quote: ametist415
            and they are obsolete on a slipway even for their time.

            What is the obsolescence of "Varyag" for 1899? belay
            1. Stalker.1977
              Stalker.1977 April 14 2016 16: 06
              +1
              I completely agree that there was no obsolescence at the time of construction; for its time, it was an excellent warship and, as history has shown, it coped with its task 100%.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA April 14 2016 16: 38
                -2
                Quote: Stalker.1977
                I completely agree that there was no obsolescence at the time of construction; for its time, it was an excellent warship and, as history has shown, it coped with its task 100%.

                The mythical “obsolescence” has nothing to do with the fate of the Varyag. Rather, even quite the opposite - the cause of the problems of the CD was too revolutionary: new, unused boilers + lag in the field of training machine commands in Russia (l / s were trained on boilers of the old type).
                1. Verdun
                  Verdun April 14 2016 20: 33
                  +2
                  Amazing! Does it bother you that the water-tube boilers of the Nikloss system installed on the Varyag cruiser were considered obsolete at the time of the project's formation? And that the ship, which showed a speed of 23,5 knots in the greenhouse conditions of acceptance tests, by the time of the battle at Chemulpo was developing only 14,5 knots? And that the cannons of Kane, installed on the Varyag, had their gun mounts "sitting down" right during firing?
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA April 15 2016 10: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Verdun
                    Doesn't it bother you that the water-tube boilers of the Nikloss system installed on the Varyag cruiser were considered obsolete at the time of the project's formation?

                    Seriously?
                    Nikloss water tube boilers created in France, were first installed in 1894 on the French cruiser Freant.
                    In the Russian Navy, the only ship on which Nikloss's boilers were installed in 1896 was the gunboat “Brave”. In a six-hour test in the Gulf of Finland in September 1897, all eight Brave boilers operated correctly, ensuring that the contracted capacity and speed were exceeded (14,47 knots instead of 14), while the coal consumption was lower compared to the contract (1070 g / l. S . hour).

                    The cruiser "Varyag" is a light cruiser of the program 1898 years.
                    On April 11, 1898, the head of the well-known American shipbuilding company William Kramp and Sons, Mr. Charles Kramp and Vice Admiral V.P. Verkhovsky, the head of the State Penitentiary Service, signed a contract for the construction of a cruiser with a displacement of 6000 tons, which was later called the "Varyag".

                    By the way, at the time of the development of the technical specification and the conclusion of the contract for the construction of "Varyag", MTK had no negative feedback on the results of the operation of Nikloss boilers.
                    Quote: Verdun
                    And what is the ship that showed in greenhouse acceptance tests the speed of 23,5 knots at the time of the battle at Chemulpo developed only 14,5 knots?

                    As far as I understand, you decided not to mention the 1903 test results. But then "Varyag" gave about 20 knots.
                    Quote: Verdun
                    And that the cannons of Kane, installed on the Varyag, had their gun mounts "sitting down" right during firing?

                    This is not a technical problem, but a systemic one. There were problems with machine tools on all ships. And the reason for them was the insufficient rigidity of the decks in the places where the guns were installed - no one counted on long-term shooting with high elevation angles. It was believed that shooting at such distances was a waste of shells. As a result, when working with large UVN during the shot, the deck "played" (and the further - the more), and additional dynamic loads acted on the tool machine, leading, in particular, to breakage of arcs.
                    ICh, the same coastal guns fired from a concrete base, there were no problems when working at the same distance.
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                    2. Verdun
                      Verdun April 15 2016 13: 32
                      0
                      The cruiser "Varyag" is a light cruiser of the 1898 program.

                      At that time, even such concepts - a light cruiser - did not even exist. "Varyag" - 1st rank armored cruiser. And about his perfection, you should at least read Melnikov, or something. If my acquaintance historian, who defended his graduation project on the subject of "Varyag", would have bitten you like a fox terrier to a fox)).
            2. ametist415
              ametist415 April 14 2016 16: 45
              -2
              https://dotu.ru/files/2014/08/20140828_About_wars.pdf

              Something is written about the imperial Navy in this note. The main trouble of these ships is that, due to the location of the main caliber, it was problematic to place anti-aircraft weapons on them, and aircraft at that time began to develop. Conclusion, the ship does not have modernization capabilities, which means it is out of date.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA April 14 2016 17: 56
                +1
                Quote: ametist415
                Something is written about the imperial Navy in this note. The main trouble of these ships is that, due to the location of the main caliber, it was problematic to place anti-aircraft weapons on them, and aircraft at that time began to develop. Conclusion, the ship does not have modernization capabilities, which means it is out of date.

                And what kind of aviation developed at the end of the XNUMXth century (because, in your opinion, ships outdated on a slipway even for its time)?
                What performance characteristics of promising aircraft should the designers of the Varangian and Aurora be guided by in order to provide for the installation of anti-aircraft weapons? wink

                By the way, the modernization potential of the "Aurora" was such that instead of the original 8 * 6 "it was possible to install as many as 14 * 6" guns on it. And also 6 * 3 "anti-aircraft guns (this is to the question of problematic deployment of anti-aircraft weapons). smile
            3. K-50
              K-50 April 14 2016 17: 00
              +3
              Quote: Alexey RA
              What is the obsolescence of "Varyag" for 1899?

              Well, by golly. People are not at all in the subject, so it’s hard to explain to a blind man. laughing
              1. ametist415
                ametist415 April 14 2016 17: 16
                -4
                On a large scale, the Russian fleet won all the great battles when it was sailing. At that time, warships corresponded to foreign counterparts. With the appearance of "iron" ships with a mechanical installation, Russia began to lag behind the West in technological terms. (Great Britain, Germany, USA) and there was not one victory in major naval battles, mostly defeat. (Tsushima, the death of the battleship "Slava", the same "Varyag" and others. Success only in small naval operations, which few people know about. The Soviet Navy also lagged behind the US Navy. So you yourself are not in the subject, man.
                (exception attack S-13 submarine under the command of A.I. Marinesko)
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 14 2016 18: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: ametist415
                  With the appearance of "iron" ships with a mechanical installation, Russia began to lag behind the West in technological terms. (Great Britain, Germany, USA) and there was not one victory in major naval battles, mostly defeat. (Tsushima, the death of the battleship "Slava", the same "Varyag", etc.

                  Everything would be fine, everything would be wonderful. But your harmonious picture of the world is spoiled by one small insignificant fact: "Varyag" was built not in Russia, but in the West - in the USA.
                  It turns out that the US is technologically behind themselves? laughing
                  1. ametist415
                    ametist415 April 14 2016 19: 44
                    -3
                    It doesn’t work, it’s one thing for itself, another thing for Russia.
                2. poquello
                  poquello April 14 2016 19: 35
                  0
                  Quote: ametist415
                  The Soviet Navy also lagged behind the US Navy. So you yourself are not in the subject, people.

                  shit, really bourgeois granites with squalls learned to do?
                  1. ametist415
                    ametist415 April 14 2016 20: 27
                    0
                    Khrushchev also believed in rockets and overwhelmed the Stalinist program of the ocean carrier fleet. Unfortunately, his ideas still sit in the minds of many people, which hinders the modern development of the fleet.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello April 14 2016 22: 06
                      0
                      Quote: ametist415
                      Khrushchev also believed in rockets and overwhelmed the Stalinist program of the ocean carrier fleet.

                      and sho? We had and have beautiful missiles that are quite capable of overwhelming their aircraft carriers, and a lot of other things, including the United States.
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 April 15 2016 04: 12
            0
            So this is a light cruiser.
      2. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 06
        +2
        Hello, pr. 22160 - this is a corvette, and it didn’t stand close in terms of displacement (2000 t against 7200). It is possible that some functions coincide, but this is not a reason for comparing so different ships.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 14 2016 16: 24
          +5
          So, what to equal then ???

          22160 carries for example 2x40 foot containers of target load versus German 2x20. In this case, unlike the German, in the 22160 containers there can also be Gauges.

          Seaworthiness and flight autonomy are declared the same. 22160's range is even greater.

          In terms of combat qualities, it makes no sense to equate them, because the German was originally built for other tasks and had corvette weapons, even which Aster-15 wasn’t set, the 2 of the self-defense air defense unit and that’s all.

          22160 does not have an innovative feature 24 months of active operations without factory procedures (that is, at 2 of the year it can drive away to SM and only rotate l / s, take supplies, without any repairs).

          22160 does not have 4 RHIB in closed chambers with a reset mechanism on 25 nodes.

          22160 has no remote control water guns.

          22160 has no way to take a company of marines on a flight.

          22160 does not have a powerful TRS-4D radar.
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 50
            0
            Here on Absolon and align.
    4. ametist415
      ametist415 April 14 2016 15: 50
      +1
      Well, in ten years we built the first building of pr. 22350, you’ll look at the second one at seven, so we are building the obsolete pr. 11356.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 10
        0
        You read how much the Germans suffered with the project. It's just that our practice is different. According to the principle "let's get involved in the battle, and then we'll see." So we lay down the ships, and then. during the construction process, we change and adjust the project and adjust the components.
    5. Pirogov
      Pirogov April 14 2016 16: 36
      0
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      Good infection! It’s a pity not ours, we wouldn’t be disturbed by such.

      Let's see how the tests pass, although knowing the Germans, the ship should be good.
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  2. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer April 14 2016 15: 09
    +4
    What is the minus motivate? Or so that not ours is all bad?
  3. Abbra
    Abbra April 14 2016 15: 09
    +2
    What to say if there is no data on weapons?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 16
      +5
      His chip is not in service. It was created according to the philosophy of Abdasalon, only more in-depth.

      It is built in such a way that it is able to stay 24 of the month at sea, without carrying out repair and maintenance work at the plant. That is, in the interim period (2 of the year), he can stay at sea all the time, only taking fuel / food / rotating l / s, all work on the mechanisms, regulation and prevention is carried out by checklist personnel right at sea.

      Actually, this is the main feature of the ship.

      His corvette armament:
      2 ROME-116 at 10km range.
      8 RCC
      2 large helicopters (NH-90 in the base, but there may be drummers - the same Tiger) in hangars, with a large supply of fuel and lubricants.
      10 remote turrets, cannon and machine gun, for shooting pirates / martyrs.
      4 special water-jet guns, for non-lethal actions.
      127mm Oto-Breda.
      various countermeasures, interference, false targets, advanced electronic warfare.

      He also has a second feature, the latest TRS-4D radars - mounted motionless, covering each of its sectors.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 18
        +2
        It was because of this concept that the ship turned out to be oversized. A sort of overgrown frigate. Air defense is frankly weak for such a displacement. Can be compared with the domestic "old man" pr. 1155 close displacement (full 7570 tons), which was also accused of weak air defense.
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    3. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer April 14 2016 15: 25
      +1
      Shock missile: 8 anti-ship missiles RGM-84 Harpoon,
      Air defense: 2 SAM Block Block II,
      Artillery: 127 mm Oto Melara artillery mount, 2 x 27 mm MLG 27 remotely controlled artillery mounts, 5 x 12,7 mm tower machine guns with Hitrole-NT remote control
      helicopters NH90. KORA-18 radar count. 2
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  4. Berserks
    Berserks April 14 2016 15: 09
    -1
    I need a series of women from Warsaw for BF in response to lay!
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli April 14 2016 15: 22
      0
      Quote: Berserks
      I need a series of women from Warsaw for BF in response to lay!

      Unfortunately, the frigate (the same destroyer) is not an aircraft carrier and can perfectly track and destroy submarines.
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    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 23
      +7
      What for? He is not for war, he is for the fight against illegal immigrants, pirates, long-distance patrols (up to 2 years without entering his home base for repairs).

      There armament like a corvette, air defense missile systems, 8 anti-ship missiles and 10 cannon-machine gun turrets for firing fast, small and maneuvering water targets, 4 water guns.

      Ah, I also forgot to indicate above 4 slots for high-speed boats with special forces, which are dumped at full speed of the ship.
  5. seti
    seti April 14 2016 15: 12
    +7
    I remember the Bismarck was launched at this shipyard. But where is he now ... Who is to us with a sword from the sword and girketsya.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 14 2016 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: seti
      Who comes to us with a sword from the sword and barks.


      Do you know who sank the Bismarck?
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: sergo1914
        Do you know who sank the Bismarck?

        If the same will sink this "miracle of naval technology", we will not object.
      2. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 14 2016 16: 26
        +4
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: seti
        Who comes to us with a sword from the sword and barks.

        Do you know who sank the Bismarck?


        laughing judging by his flag .... are they really ????
        1. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 14 2016 16: 48
          +1
          And then somehow, where without them then. lol
  6. figwam
    figwam April 14 2016 15: 15
    0
    Oh, that key date, 2020.
  7. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P April 14 2016 15: 16
    0
    curtains on the sides for firing ??? or for loading? launchers then you can’t see ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 28
      +4
      Each curtain has a speed boat. The ship takes a platoon of special forces in the base, but in the special transmission the premises are designed to receive 100 soldiers (or other specialists, the ship can take underwater UAVs, various reconnaissance groups with equipment, a medical center).

      Boats are thrown away by a special device, it is stated that it is possible to reset all 4 RHIB at full speed to 25 nodes.
  8. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli April 14 2016 15: 17
    +3
    It is bad that no weapons data are provided.
    By the way, I see the Germans do not particularly believe in the invisibility of ships like the Americans and do not try to give 160 meter frigate of their fleet for a 14 meter yacht.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer April 14 2016 15: 23
      +2
      Shock missile: 8 anti-ship missiles RGM-84 Harpoon,
      Air defense: 2 SAM Block Block II,
      Artillery: 127 mm Oto Melara artillery mount, 2 x 27 mm MLG 27 remotely controlled artillery mounts, 5 x 12,7 mm tower machine guns with Hitrole-NT remote control
      helicopters NH90. KORA-18 radar count. 2
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 14 2016 16: 18
      +2
      Duck Germans do not print candy wrappers, pay blood, like us. And they don’t believe in myths. What is invisibility? When every centimeter of the campaign on the monitors of the enemy, and even in the backup of different tracking systems, not a nuclear submarine, tea.

      And we need to build a smaller tonnage, but a larger number.
  9. pigkiller
    pigkiller April 14 2016 15: 26
    0
    It is aimed at the Baltic theater: Kaliningrad region, the Gulf of Finland.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 30
      0
      No, he is crowded there. And why was it tricky to use equipment, squeezing the cherished 24 months of action, without factory work, for the Baltic? Yes, and weapons forgotten! 2 air defense missile systems wandered (Burke has such a shot) with a range of 10 km, 8 anti-ship missiles standard and all in fact. Well, do not take it water guns for weapons?

      He is for the Mediterranean, Aden.
  10. donavi49
    donavi49 April 14 2016 15: 31
    0
    Speaking of Gren, a little new. Fresh factory newspaper, again write, the Ural DG are falling apart and do not want to work ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 14 2016 16: 30
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Speaking of Gren, a little new. Fresh factory newspaper, again write, the Ural DG are falling apart and do not want to work ...


      which makes it possible that after two months of cover on these installations, seawater completely corrodes
      (c) the former Navy Group of Companies on the products of the Ural Diesel plant
      Naturally, the quality is lame in all diesel engines. The Commander-in-Chief is right, no one can deny that quality must be raised
      (c) UDMZ
  11. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 14 2016 15: 50
    +2
    The vessel for the frigate is too heavy in terms of versatility .. The Boschs once again want to send troops to Africa, the Baltic states or Norway ..
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 14 2016 16: 35
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      A heavy vessel for a frigate

      just now, I remember, "expert"Kabardin called him a cruiser))
  12. Engineer
    Engineer April 14 2016 15: 59
    0
    Quote: Red_Hamer
    Good infection! It’s a pity not ours, we wouldn’t be disturbed by such.

    Why is he so good, and why do we need such a ship? Please explain. I personally do not see the need for such a huge ship with weapons suitable only for fighting refugees in the Mediterranean Sea.
  13. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 14 2016 16: 24
    +1
    The pitiable fate of his namesakes - battleships of the Bayer type - Baden and Württemberg. The first became a target for the British, the second was cut into scrap.
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 14 2016 17: 06
    0
    "Frigates" of the same displacement as our destroyers or BOD
  15. Neputin
    Neputin April 14 2016 17: 39
    -1
    "Urya-patriots" attacked a German frigate! Atu him! Yes, you build in Russia at least something with a combat displacement of 7200 tons, and then croak. Here one 4000-ton frigate was built in 10 years and is still in permanent orgasm. By the way, where is he? I'm talking about "Grigorovich". You can't hear something. Something broke again, didn't it?
  16. From Samara
    From Samara April 14 2016 18: 17
    0
    Objectively speaking, in the surface combat fleet the Germans are not Ahti what sailors ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 14 2016 18: 20
      0
      Quote: From Samara
      Objectively speaking, in the surface combat fleet the Germans are not Ahti what sailors ...

      in comparison with whom?
      1. From Samara
        From Samara April 14 2016 18: 24
        0
        Well, at sea, the choice is not great, with the same British ...
  17. Verdun
    Verdun April 14 2016 20: 22
    -1
    Pay attention - 7200 tons! Such a ship can be called a frigate only formally. Other cruisers have less displacement. True, many of the ships that make up the NATO Navy were first called frigates and were later reclassified to URA cruisers. In any case, we have to admit that the Federal Republic of Germany is building serious ships. I would like to know more about this project. I don’t know how Zumwalt is, and Baden-Württemberg can be a very serious opponent.
  18. seti
    seti April 14 2016 20: 41
    0
    Quote: sergo1914
    Quote: seti
    Who comes to us with a sword from the sword and barks.


    Do you know who sank the Bismarck?

    We do know, but it doesn't matter who drowned. It is important that whoever came to us with a weapon then shook off to the fullest. I mentioned the battleship Bismarck because I know the shipyard.
  19. Wolka
    Wolka April 15 2016 05: 54
    0
    not Bismarck and Tirpitz of course, but the boat requires close attention, and even strangeness, before the Germans gave the ships the names of their admirals and other personalities, now the names of cities
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 15 2016 08: 23
      0
      In the second Reich, they also gave the names of cities. In the third, there were simply few ships, and the cruisers Koenigsberg, for example, were named after the cities.

      Actually, here is the grandfather of this frigate, in the second Reich. He survived the war, but ended as a target in the 21 year.
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 15 2016 08: 24
      0
      Quote: Volka
      Germans used to give ships the names of their admirals and other personalities, now the names of cities

      not now. Such a tradition has been a long time.
      "Breslau", "Baden", "Württemberg" - Kaiserlich Marina abounded with names of cities.
      Admiral names are rather in the Kriegsmarine tradition.