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Forced patriotism, or Stop feeding us Russophobia

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Forced patriotism. Sounds right? The term, it turns out, is new, but rather strange, even with a hint of stupidity.




This term was launched by Tatyana Lazareva, comedian from KVN. She said that she had become a forced patriot because Russia had barbarously seized the Crimea, sent her troops to the Donbass and was rotting in the dungeons of Nadia Savchenko. Even threatened to leave the country forever, if Savchenko is not released. Well, everything is in the same spirit, in the style of Kasparov, Navalny and the warm company that we call liberastov.

Well, how many people she responded to on her page in the style of "Wali, survive," say no. Tatyana was genuinely disappointed with the reaction, which she was not slow to write about. But enough about Lazareva, it remains - tolerate, leave - do not cry. Not Kobzon after all ...

However, the topic of forced patriotism will continue. What is patriotism, everyone understands, I hope. But forced - it requires some thought. For all the same, it does not immediately come to how it is at all. Even if Ozhegova or Dahl is connected to his head. Forced emigrant is understandable. Forced resignation is understandable. That is, any action committed against their will. Even the forced landing, that the plane, that person, has a completely unequivocal washed away.

Forced patriotism

Sounds pretty pointless. You can be a patriot of your country, but you can not be. How can we make externally, we know very well, historically passed. Internally - hardly. That's the way a person is built in essence.

I was prompted by a very vivid example of forced patriotism. Jackal Tabaka in the TV series Kipling. And, by the way, an important aspect: Kipling did not tell what happened to Tabaka after Mowgli’s associates beat the tiger. The references to the skin of the jackal on the rock board was not accurate. So definitely survived, most likely.

So is this pack. Survive. For the day is quite easy to earn money, being quite a patriot of the ruble, and devote their free time to the struggle for Russia. The fact that this is a slightly different Russia than what the majority wants to see does not change the situation.

One consoles that we were forced to become patriots. We are those who are on the other side of the barricade.

But the name of the forced is still a legion, and they love their work, since they sincerely believe in their own, even if forced, patriotism. And the work is done, and done well.

In general, there is a certain feeling that we no longer have a barricade, but a ring. And we are surrounded. On the one hand, it seems to be nothing, and you can attack in any direction. But for some reason it is necessary to attack, excuse me, in feces. So well designed for the joy of the future. Examples? Excuse me

Our first channel on the TV. You will say that not a single normal person would start looking at him, unless there is nothing on the others. I agree. But the first - he is the first in Africa. They look.

It was shot last year and recently the series “The Hangman” was shown again. It seems to be based on real facts. It seems that the idea was to show some moments of our stories. Maybe even properly.

But in fact - the next punishment bat, bastards, tired of the sun and other Stalingrad from forced patriots.

A film about the actions of Tonka-machine-gunner, a former nurse of the Red Army, who became a full-time executioner in the service of the Germans in the occupied territory of the Bryansk region.

Of course, it is impossible to spend budget money on something other than the story of Antonin Makarova-Ginzburg. The country, of course, should know not only its heroes, but also its scum and traitors. Without this in any way.

Partially agree. Need to know. But why exactly?

Documentation on TV series zero. But lies - abound. And this lie is written by those who created the images of the bastards and the penalty battalion. Nothing new. And it cannot be said that the “work on the mistakes” was not done. Was. Frank douche by a known substance seems to be absent. But - nuances, dear, nuances ...

An investigation by the investigation, but the image of the Soviet soldier is taken exactly from those films. The blooded, contused soldier Fyodor (historically Nikolai Fedchuk), having come to his senses after the battle, first of all goes to search the corpses for food and water. Its, of course, no. From where Having had a quick snack, right there, among the corpses, he finds the heroine, and after a while rapes her, in a little forest nearby.

Here it is, the true image of the Soviet soldier, right?

Nothing that was a fight, nothing that was wounded / contused, otherwise I would not lie in a trip, nothing. Most importantly, I had a bite because I found the killed comrades, used the chance to relieve the stress of the recent battle and contusion, and went on with my girlfriend. And then, having reached the wife-children, the girlfriend, quite naturally, threw. And there was nothing left for the poor nurse to throw into the arms of the Germans.

I will not strongly argue, maybe the series is not so bad as it seems to me. At least, the basic meaning is almost the same as in reality. The authorities did not blunder, and the killer of one and a half thousand Soviet citizens was exposed and suffered a well-deserved punishment.

It really is. Since the liberation of the village of Lokot, the KGB has been searching for a mysterious performer of sentences. And in the end I found it. In 1978, Makarova-Ginzburg was arrested, and in 1979 she was shot in accordance with a court verdict.

I repeat, maybe the show is not so bad. In relation to the Murovtsev at least. Despite the fact that the KGB was investigating. But in the series there is still a fly in the ointment, which can ruin any barrel of honey.

The question is, how much more time must pass to erase from the films and serials that image of the Soviet soldier who is being heavily crammed in there? Shtrafbatno-Stalingrad. Swollen.

The question is, who benefits from showing the image of a soldier or officer of the Red Army in this way? Producers Ernst and Evstigneev? Director Nikiforov? Screenwriter Kudre? Or some "forced patriots" who pushed the episode into the film? Or are all of these "forced patriots"?

Let's just say Konstantin Ernst is quite difficult to blame. Still crowned with orders from both Medvedev and Putin. For services to the Fatherland. And Nikiforov and Kudrei are not particularly suspicious. Nikiforov has in his works both the “State Border”, and “Bread smells of gunpowder” and “The Great Adventure”.

Blaming is generally easy. It’s harder to understand who is not profitable for anyone, there’s just no problem with that. It is difficult to answer the question: how long will the introduction of false and vile images into the heads continue? How much time should still pass, how many people on the posts should be changed, so that on-screen celebrity films in the spirit of penalties and other things would cease to appear?

And work has become thinner. In general, the show "The Executioner" almost no complaints. Except for a small blotch. But - false and vile. And, since it has not disappeared from the screens, since it continues to be shown, it means that it is in demand. Konstantin Ernst would not turn that which would not bring benefit to the channel, not that person.

So it turns out that this situation is such that in our time against those of Russia we dream of, not only those whom we call "liberals" act. With them, by the way, even easier. What can we expect from a normal “liberal” of the type of Sobchak, Kasparov, Navalny, Makarevich, Kasyanov, Akhedzhakova? All this is well known. And something new is unlikely these gentlemen will tell us in the near future.

But forced patriots - it will be worse. For they are patriots. In appearance. But in fact - forced. Something like a secret Masonic lodge, when during the day a person works tirelessly for the good of the state, and in the evening, with a group of friends, thinks about how to insert this state from the other side.

On the one hand, any conspiracy theory looks a little funny today. And on the other ... If you look on the other, it somehow turns out strangely: everything is in favor of Russia's prosperity and progress, but in fact it’s somehow very much out of its power. And examples of the mountain and a small truck. Enough for a separate material.

Well, sorry, I do not believe that a handful (nationwide) of liberals is guilty of everything that is crooked in our country. And in the actions of foreign agents do not believe. More precisely, I believe that agents can financially support those who lobby for some issues and slow down others. For to conquer Russia is unreal, you can only try to buy. And, that the most rotten, those wishing to sell will always be. So, too, historically has a place to be.

I will return to the heroine of the series criticized by me. In the village of Lokot, where Makarov "worked," there was no German government. Who is interested, he can study the materials on the Lokotsky self-government. An interesting administrative entity was slightly smaller than Belgium and with a population of half a million people.

So, there were almost no Germans there. Of course, there were parts, but there was an official order to categorically not interfere in the affairs of the Russians. It was possible to advise.

So the Russians led everything there. And the police forces were from Russians. And his own army was, RONA (not to be confused with the ROA), numbering about 10 thousand people, with tank battalion and artillery division. And the chief executioner was Russian. The Germans did not want to get dirty again.

Traitors and Judas were, are and will be in any nation. The question of the number and percentage of the total.

Forced patriots, obviously, from the same opera.
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  1. cergey51046
    cergey51046 April 14 2016 06: 39
    +20
    Such must be shot or deprived of citizenship without the right to reside in Russia.
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      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar April 14 2016 07: 24
        +132
        And who is this Lazareva? Clowness, clown, clown. And this ingenious ... threatens to leave the country laughing Grief. The grief will befall Russia without such human beings. The Russian land will become scarce !!! How much shit washed to the surface, how much feces floated to the surface and stinks unbearably. Stinks of "swamp" slurry. And tie you at least a white, even a blue ribbon. At least purple with a line. Shit will remain shit.
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 April 14 2016 07: 28
          +32
          So we see what parmesan is doing with people.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 14 2016 08: 01
            +59
            I am outraged by Roman Skomorokhov.
            Novel, do not repeat the liberal nonsense from Wikipedia.
            My father fought with this RONA, and my maternal grandfather served as a headman in her (the biography came up) (in our family it is not customary to confuse the Fatherland and the authorities, so my grandfather chose the right side, became an underground member and for this reason ended up in the Gestapo (and not in district RONAV) prison, but in this prison no one betrayed anyone). But, by the way, the headman of the neighboring village, the father of the writer Pyotr Proskurin ("Fate", "Earthly Love") by the name of Proskurnin left with the Germans. The son had to abandon his father, change his surname.
            So much I know first hand.

            Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
            In general, there are almost no complaints about the series "Executioner".

            There is. And more. Some facts in her biography took place to be, in general - a vile and vile lie. Underdeveloped The 19-year-old village girl Judas was made a superheroine.

            Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
            In the village of Lokot, where Makarova "worked", there was no German administration. Anyone interested can study materials on Lokot self-government. An interesting administrative formation was, with an area slightly smaller than Belgium and with a population of half a million people.

            So there were almost no Germans there. Units, of course, stood, but there was an official order to categorically not interfere in the affairs of the Russians. It was possible to advise.

            So the Russians led everything there. And the police forces were from the Russians. And the army was its own, RONA (not to be confused with the POA), numbering about 10 thousands of people, with a tank battalion and artillery division. And the executioner was Russian. The Germans did not want to soil themselves once again.


            8 rural areas, only two cities (Sevsk and Dmitrov) with a population of less than 10 thousand. Population 0.5 million - before the war, before mobilization and evacuation. Moreover, it was here that the partisan formations of Kovpak (not in Putivl, Spadshchansky forest is small there), Naumov, Saburov, Khokhlov and others operated and gained their strength. I can say how many divisions, including tank, the Germans had to remove from the front in order to fight these partisans.

            What is called the "army" (RONA) is actually civilian (not military!) Police. Despite the fact that both tsars and communists sent exiles (including political ones) to the regions, and at the beginning of the war Eremenko suffered a major defeat here (many concentration camps), from all sources volunteers got ~ 852, the rest - mobilization. Compare: 80 thousand volunteers came to the call-up to the SS Galicia division (6 goals per seat). Leaders: Ukrainian Voskoboynik and Volksdeutsch Kaminsky are newcomers. Moreover, they mobilized in 16! years old. Therefore, my father went into the partisans two months before the 16th birthday.

            Self-government concerned collective farms and local production, a newspaper was released, a theatrician was opened, and in fact, what related to cases of civilian police and the court. All other German authorities acted in full. SD, Gestapo, etc.

            All genocide came from diabetes (led by Russians, yeah), they drove the Magyars, of whom a great many were quartered, and they were already "reinforced" by the policemen. In a nearby village 14-year-old boys killed a German with a slingshot. They burned down the whole village with people. There are a lot of such examples from Eurocivilizers - see, for example, local history sites. The fight against partisans was structured in a similar way.

            In general, RONA self-government is assessed as a milder regime than direct German occupation rule.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera April 14 2016 08: 20
              +40
              Recently I decided to take a look at Crime and Punishment. The impressions are painful. I don’t understand in any way, now it’s fashionable for our cinemaelite to rattle about “Russia we have lost”. How good it was there. What worthy kolchaks were ... And at the same time such "masterpieces" as "Once upon a time there was a woman" and so on. In Crime, the director apparently thought that if at least one episode does not show a drunken Russian peasant, then he will not convey Dostoevsky's main idea. Some kind of fly buzzes the whole movie. Obviously, it symbolizes that there is one thing around. Those. it turns out that at the top there were magnificent kolchaks, and at the bottom there was one cattle that eats, drinks and smacks everything that moves. This is how they see "Russia we have lost". By the way, the author did not reveal the main idea of ​​Dostoevsky, despite seven episodes. The Soviet film, in two episodes, coped with this task perfectly.
              1. 30BIS
                30BIS April 16 2016 07: 28
                +5
                Maybe I’m bending a little .. But all these howling and weeping soap-cute TV shows and other pseudo artistic dregs shown on TV. In my opinion, the usual neuro-linguistic coding of people (the population of the Russian Federation) to failure, howling, groaning, we all die .. Watching this rubbish is impossible!
            2. andj61
              andj61 April 14 2016 08: 28
              +14
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              I am outraged by Roman Skomorokhov.

              I support myself from Bryansk, Lokot village and Brasovo, where the "capital" of Kaminsky was mainly located, are located in the Bryansk region. Back in the 70s, we were told about Kaminsky himself and about the traitors, and about the machine gunner. The main force of the regime there were not policemen at all, but Hungarians and Germans. And among the policemen there were enough partisan agents. In our region, there simultaneously existed areas in which Soviet power was restored during the occupation, and collective farms worked, and even tried to transfer food through the front line, as well as such an entity as the "republic" of Kaminsky. Although what kind of republic is there - it was someone who launched this concept for a catchphrase .. There was a civil administration headed by the burgomaster Kaminsky, while in other places the rule was directly carried out by the military administration. And, of course, SD, Gestapo or Gefepo (when there was a front line).
              1. Rusfaner
                Rusfaner April 14 2016 11: 48
                +2
                Sorry, that is not the topic. My uncle, Belkov Dmitry Alexandrovich, fought and died on my Bryansk front. He served in the 78th OIB (separate engineering battalion), Bryansk Front. Field mail number 127
                Date of death: 15.05.1942/1,5/XNUMX There is a funeral. He was buried in a mass grave XNUMX km northeast of the village of B.-Kamenka, Mtsensk district, Oryol region. The battalion during this period was stationed in the village of Ligovo (not a single map service allows you to find this village in the Oryol region - my comment).
                So, after the war, my aunts tried to find the grave and could not, they were sent here and there.
                Maybe you have some local memory book there and, suddenly, there is infa in it?
                1. andj61
                  andj61 April 14 2016 16: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Rusfaner
                  Maybe you have some local memory book there and, suddenly, there is infa in it?

                  You need to look for it in the Oryol region, the Mtsensk district is there. And Bolshaya Kamenka is located on the Oryol-Tula highway, right near the border with the Tula region. This highway just goes to the northeast. If you first call in Mtsensk, then I think you can find out about military graves there. Or contact the archive of the Ministry of Defense.
            3. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. April 14 2016 08: 35
              +23
              "Liberal nonsense from Wikipedia" is about the presentation of information on RONA.

              I am especially touched by the title of a book by one grant-sucker - "The Master of the Bryansk Forest". At least he looked where the forest was and where RONA was.
              Svidomo storytelling, such as twenty policemen have managed to 20 thousand partisans on the Internet is full. Only when it came down to business did it turn out like the Galitsa people under Brody.

              "- There is news in Sevsk: Admiral Canaris, the head of the Abwehr, the German military counterintelligence service, flew there. There was a stir there. After we defeated the" party of all Russia "in Lokt, led by Voskoboinikov [sic Saburov], the Germans began to arrest and displace Canaris settled everything. Colonel Sperling, the unfortunate guardian of the party, was transferred to Zhitomir ... "
              A. Saburov "The forces are incalculable."

              Yeah. The Russians ruled everything.

              Quote: andj61
              I support! I myself from Bryansk

              I am from the districts themselves. Father guerrilla in the Hinel forest. When the Kursk Bulge rose along Sevsk from April to August 1943, and the Germans threw many divisions to blockade the forests that fell on the Germans in the immediate rear, the partisans from the Hinelsky forest went into the swamps under Suzemka.

              PS. My mother was even a greater source than my father or grandfather. How the neighbors behaved. Who had any relationship with whom, etc.
              1. Nikita Gromov
                Nikita Gromov April 14 2016 20: 20
                +5
                Russophobia to the wall.
            4. Jagermeister
              Jagermeister April 14 2016 08: 57
              -9
              Nikolay, read your opus.
              You write that the Germans were shooting tank divisions from the front in order to fight the partisans.
              Really.
              Such statements make your text not very believable.
              Well, and Kaminsky. His brigade is one of the few Russian Essessian frauds.
              "She distinguished herself" in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, and you call her the RONA police.
              Kaminsky received the rank of general. And you write that they were scored from under the stick. If only. These guys served the Germans faithfully.
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. April 14 2016 09: 52
                +29
                Still bashing. Underdeveloped scum - they have a heroine.
                I don't know how my grandfather flew into the Gestapo. The usual sins of the headman: issuing passes to other underground workers so that they can go where they need to. And, since the collective farm is in our hands, and the delivery of products to the German authorities is quite Soviet: I loaded them onto carts, signed the delivery-acceptance certificate, drove out of the outskirts - no longer your problem. The partisans were waiting for the convoys "outside the outskirts" of the right elders. Maybe something else.

                So here. In that prison, the Gestapo prisoners pricked the inmates, and they knew their work. Especially got young. They tortured three of them at the age of this Makarova alive. I remember Valya Lomonosov. I forgot two other surnames, I have to watch. But they did not betray anyone. In general, no one betrayed anyone.

                We didn't have a traitor. We didn't have Fadeev to write about some "guard".

                And the creatures about the underdeveloped encirclement, the devil came from where, who became Judas, the executioner and the syphilitic, they make films.

                Quote: Jägermeister
                Nikolay, read your opus.
                You write that the Germans were shooting tank divisions from the front in order to fight the partisans.
                Really.
                Such statements make your text not very believable.
                Well, and Kaminsky. His brigade is one of the few Russian Essessian frauds.
                "She distinguished herself" in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, and you call her the RONA police.
                Kaminsky received the rank of general. And you write that they were scored from under the stick. If only. These guys served the Germans faithfully.


                Tell about "opuses" in your Ukraine. It is there that the Svidomites have a completely scraped brain, they lack knowledge and historical memory.

                "May 16, 1943. The beginning of the largest-scale operation against the partisans" GYGAN BARON ". For the complete elimination of partisans in the southern sector of the Bryansk forests, the 47th tank corps (7th infantry, 10th motorized, 292nd infantry, 4- I and the 18th Panzer, 442nd Special Purpose Divisions), as well as units of the 137th and 492nd German Infantry Divisions, the 102nd Hungarian Infantry Division (42nd, 43rd, 44th and 51st XNUMXst regiment), two separate artillery battalions. "
                And this despite the fact that Kovpak, Saburov, Naumov and others. Large ones have already gone on raids to the west.

                During the evacuation of RONA through the Khinelsky forest to the Mikhailovsky farm, 25-30 thousand people left the platform. (with family members) 4-5 thousand. of which 1.5-2.5 thousand. policemen. They were held in Leppel in another department, tk. there was already nothing to "self-govern" - they became the "SS brigade". How they "distinguished themselves" in the Warsaw Uprising is a murky business. Kaminsky was killed there, either the Poles, or the Germans themselves. The brigade suffered losses and the remnants were sent to form the ROA.

                They recruited as I said. Volkswagen Kaminsky, of course, is not only a volunteer, but also an initiator and organizer. Most are mobilized. Ours and such policemen were not taken prisoner.
                1. Jagermeister
                  Jagermeister April 14 2016 12: 05
                  -6
                  Quote: Nikolay S.
                  Still bashing. Underdeveloped scum - they have a heroine.
                  I don't know how my grandfather flew into the Gestapo. The usual sins of the headman: issuing passes to other underground workers so that they can go where they need to. And, since the collective farm is in our hands, and the delivery of products to the German authorities is quite Soviet: I loaded them onto carts, signed the delivery-acceptance certificate, drove out of the outskirts - no longer your problem. The partisans were waiting for the convoys "outside the outskirts" of the right elders. Maybe something else.

                  So here. In that prison, the Gestapo prisoners pricked the inmates, and they knew their work. Especially got young. They tortured three of them at the age of this Makarova alive. I remember Valya Lomonosov. I forgot two other surnames, I have to watch. But they did not betray anyone. In general, no one betrayed anyone.

                  We didn't have a traitor. We didn't have Fadeev to write about some "guard".

                  And the creatures about the underdeveloped encirclement, the devil came from where, who became Judas, the executioner and the syphilitic, they make films.

                  Quote: Jägermeister
                  Nikolay, read your opus.
                  You write that the Germans were shooting tank divisions from the front in order to fight the partisans.
                  Really.
                  Such statements make your text not very believable.
                  Well, and Kaminsky. His brigade is one of the few Russian Essessian frauds.
                  "She distinguished herself" in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, and you call her the RONA police.
                  Kaminsky received the rank of general. And you write that they were scored from under the stick. If only. These guys served the Germans faithfully.


                  Tell about "opuses" in your Ukraine. It is there that the Svidomites have a completely scraped brain, they lack knowledge and historical memory.


                  In which Ukraine? You are not in yourself.
                  Tank corps in the forests do not work against partisans.
                  Read the memoirs of Medvedev and Kovpak.
                  If 2-3 tanks are mentioned there, it’s good.
                  The tank corps includes a tank regiment, and this is the 90 tank during the described period.
                  I would like to see the Tigers in the swamps.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 14: 01
                    +14
                    Quote: Jägermeister
                    Tank corps in the forests do not work against partisans.

                    Wow :) And who's stopping them, is it interesting to know?
                    Quote: Jägermeister
                    The tank corps includes a tank regiment, and this is the 90 tank during the described period.

                    Generally speaking, this division was supposed to include a tank regiment :) But that is not the point. And the fact is that, for example, the 18-I tank during the period of the events described had one single tank battalion, with a staff of 62 tanks. But whether there were tanks in this tank battalion is a big question, because as part of the 2 tank army, this division conducted intense battles in the Orel region in the winter of the 1942-42, but they still haven’t restored it to the Kursk Bulge.
                    But as part of the German tank there were already TWO regiments of panzergrenadiers capable of operating even in the forests, at least in the mountains, even at least on the heels of small Easter cakes. Here they mainly acted against the partisans.
                    History needs to be STUDY, and not fantasized on historical topics, using snippets of knowledge
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 14: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      But as part of the German tank

                      I’ll recover a little - not all Wehrmacht TDs were meant, but specifically the 18 tank
                2. free
                  free April 14 2016 20: 50
                  +3
                  critters are those who shoot and act in films like that!
                  1. python2a
                    python2a April 16 2016 13: 39
                    -2
                    The film is artistic, and it is foolish to demand historical authenticity from it. The historical background serves as a canvas for the artist - a material basis for the presentation of his thoughts.
                    1. tantalum
                      tantalum 13 May 2016 14: 07
                      0
                      Quote: python2a
                      The historical background serves as the artist’s canvas

                      "He's an artist, he sees that"? Already zadolbali wretched and mercantile artists with their wretched visions !!!
            5. sherp2015
              sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 14
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              I am outraged by Roman Skomorokhov.
              Novel, do not repeat the liberal nonsense from Wikipedia.
              My father fought with this RONA, and my maternal grandfather served as a headman in her (the biography came up) (in our family it is not customary to confuse the Fatherland and the authorities, so my grandfather chose the right side, became an underground member and for this reason ended up in the Gestapo (and not in district RONAV) prison, but in this prison no one betrayed anyone). But, by the way, the headman of the neighboring village, the father of the writer Pyotr Proskurin ("Fate", "Earthly Love") by the name of Proskurnin left with the Germans. The son had to abandon his father, change his surname.
              So much I know first hand.

              Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
              In general, there are almost no complaints about the series "Executioner".
              There is. And more. Some facts in her biography took place to be, in general - a vile and vile lie. The underdeveloped 19-year-old Judas village girl was made a superheroine.

              Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
              In the village of Lokot, where Makarova "worked", there was no German administration. Anyone interested can study materials on Lokot self-government. An interesting administrative formation was, with an area slightly smaller than Belgium and with a population of half a million people.

              So there were almost no Germans there. Units, of course, stood, but there was an official order to categorically not interfere in the affairs of the Russians. It was possible to advise.

              So the Russians led everything there. And the police forces were from the Russians. And the army was its own, RONA (not to be confused with the POA), numbering about 10 thousands of people, with a tank battalion and artillery division. And the executioner was Russian. The Germans did not want to soil themselves once again.

              8 rural areas, only two cities (Sevsk and Dmitrov) with a population of less than 10 thousand. Population 0.5 million - before the war, before mobilization and evacuation. Moreover, it was here that the partisan formations of Kovpak (not in Putivl, Spadshchansky forest is small there), Naumov, Saburov, Khokhlov and others operated and gained their strength. I can say how many divisions, including tank, the Germans had to remove from the front in order to fight these partisans.

              What is called the "army" (RONA) is actually civilian (not military!) Police. Despite the fact that both tsars and communists sent exiles (including political ones) to the regions, and at the beginning of the war Eremenko suffered a major defeat here (many concentration camps), ~ 852 volunteers were recruited from all sources, the rest were mobilized. Compare: 80 thousand volunteers came to the call-up to the SS Galicia division (6 goals per seat). Leaders: Ukrainian Voskoboynik and Volksdeutsch Kaminsky are newcomers. And they mobilized at 16! years. Therefore, my father, two months before his 16th birthday, went to the partisans.

              Self-government concerned collective farms and local production, a newspaper was released, a theatrician was opened, and in fact, what related to cases of civilian police and the court. All other German authorities acted in full. SD, Gestapo, etc.

              The whole genocide came from the SD (led by the Russians, yeah), they drove the Magyars, who were quartered a lot, and those were already "strengthened" by the police. In a nearby village 14-year-old boys killed a German with a slingshot. They burned down the whole village with people. There are a lot of such examples from Eurocivilizers - see, for example, local history sites. The fight against partisans was structured in a similar way.

              In general, RONA self-government is assessed as a milder regime than direct German occupation rule.

              He does not like the Banshiy Russian people of something ... Likely stepped on his ancestors corn))
            6. Roman Skomorokhov
              April 14 2016 13: 13
              +6
              And do not be so indignant. This is not about RONA even though what the fuck is civilian police with tanks and guns. It's all about the other.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 14 2016 16: 35
                +3
                Quote: Banshee
                But do not be so indignant.

                That's it yes There are drawbacks in everything but for a second: Do we have to show our fighters from the poster? Who studied the charter of the internal service before the attack, and in between the battles they sing in the regimental choir? But no one will watch the same agitation request here there are rapists and looters The law of the genre
              2. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. April 14 2016 17: 00
                +2
                Quote: Banshee
                do not be so indignant. It’s not even about RONA, though, what the heck is the civilian police with tanks and guns.

                I understand that your article is not about RONA. But the efforts of anti-Russian propagandists have created a number of myths: about "a million Russians!" "who fought" "against Stalin", etc. About RONA is one of them. We need to be more critical of what is being written on this topic.

                The armored division [200 people] had 8 tanks (one KB, two T-34, three BT-7, two BT-5), three armored vehicles (BA-10, 2 BA-20), two tankettes, as well as cars and motorcycles. Fighter company [130 people] - 2 BT-7, 1 - 76 mm gun. 3 - 76mm guns at the first regiment. 3 anti-aircraft guns. Mortars.
                Although Emlyutin is among the 45mm gun selected from RONA.

                This is what the Ronovites picked up the abandoned. RONA did not abuse the combat use of heavy armored vehicles (I just don’t remember the cases, like BAs were dragged somewhere) - the Red Army did not take them for supply. I can search where it all went. Guns, mortars were used in anti-partisan operations.

                PS. I gave an example of how in the Gestapo prison no one betrayed anyone.

                That is why Ernst-TV has a heroine not 19-year-old Valya Lomonosova, who suffered all the tortures of the Gestapo and died from them, but a 19-year-old underdeveloped prostitute-executioner?

                It was different with the cops. The time has come, and they, not only by entire police villages, began to go over to the partisan side. (In the steppe villages, it was more difficult to evade mobilization, therefore there were such villages). But even in Lokta itself, the conspiracy was muddied in order to kill the leadership. One of the participants was drunk in the wrong direction. Kaminsky promptly conducted an investigation. Everyone surrendered everyone. Participants in the conspiracy are among those 1500 in the pit at the stud farm, which is attributed to Makarova. (There were other mass graves). Policemen. What do you take.
            7. forest park 86
              forest park 86 April 14 2016 14: 17
              -1
              If I understood correctly: there were good guys, not traitors?
          2. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few April 14 2016 10: 17
            +4
            And she’s a disabled person, she’s sitting in a wheelchair, if not, make sure that she doesn’t get up with this wheelchair.
          3. Kyustenkats
            Kyustenkats April 14 2016 11: 45
            0
            more precisely, its absence laughing
          4. user
            user April 15 2016 11: 05
            +3
            Konstantin Ernst would not twist something that would not benefit the channel, the wrong person.


            If they still had military consultants, and sometimes I look and wonder, well, that war ended long ago, well, at least some of them probably served in the army. And then such jokes are removed, even the wife notices, and you say "the wrong person", probably made another optimization in the film crew. As for the ideological content, it is not a secret for anyone "who pays for the banquet is the girl who dances."
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A April 14 2016 09: 02
          +14
          Quote: Stalevar
          And who is this Lazareva? Clowness, clown, clown. And this ingenious ... threatens to leave the country laughing Grief. Russia will be grief-stricken without such human beings. The Russian land will become scarce !!! How much shit washed to the surface, how much feces floated to the surface and stinks unbearably. The "swamp" slime stinks.

          How can you not recall the classics ...
          "Obviously, this is some kind of incomprehensible property of nature. Wine goes into vinegar, Munchausen to Theophilus ...."
          There was a cheerful, talented girl - in the 90s ... And who she became .... Let it bring me down even to the Baltic states, even to Ukraine, even further - the air in Russia will be cleaner ...
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 14 2016 09: 37
          +12
          Tatyana Lazareva hmm was going to leave, what a misfortune laughing
          And if it's just words? Can it help with the move?
        4. Art
          Art April 14 2016 10: 03
          +13
          I recalled one state of the year, spring, when excrement crawled out from under the snow. Maybe the Russian Spring has really come !?
        5. sherp2015
          sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 09
          +8
          Quote: Stalevar
          And who is this Lazareva? Clowness, clown, clown. And this ingenious ... threatens to leave the country

          90% of these snickering hypocrites will always betray the country in difficult times and fly away like birds on the field where there is food (feeding trough).
          So let it fly, the country will not lose anything
        6. Turkir
          Turkir April 14 2016 12: 30
          +4
          And where will Lazarev go? Probably already knows where.
          And we probably too ... guess. All patriots go there.
          Apparently this country is already crowded with Russian patriots.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A April 14 2016 23: 57
            +4
            Quote: Turkir
            And where will Lazarev go? Probably already knows where.
            And we probably too ... guess. All patriots go there.
            Apparently that country already crowded with Russian patriots.

            THAT COUNTRY has already surpassed Russia "in patriotism". IN THAT country, people think about our happiness and prosperity even more than we ourselves think about it.

            And if you take and send the TU country with all our "patriots" further and deeper ????

            Give the procedure for deprivation of citizenship! With confiscation and a lifetime ban on entry.

            In that country, by the way, officially there is no such procedure, but there they can clearly explain that my, for example, stay in the territory of that country is extremely undesirable, otherwise I, for example, will have a lot of ambushes .....
        7. Azitral
          Azitral April 14 2016 12: 42
          +8
          I was thinking here: why is this kind of citizens need all this? Would you like to directly evil Russia? No. That is, there are those who would like us to happen by chance, if possible - without shedding blood, like Politkovskaya, Novodvorskaya, Kovalev, but they are still a minority. So why? I could not understand the nature of the front of capable or frankly talented people like Basilashvili, M. Efremov, the same Lazareva, and Makarevich! Where does this rejection come from? Then, in my opinion, it dawned: these people, regardless of gender, are feminine, uncritically in love with the West. They wanted and hoped that Russia would one day become one of the other peoples of Western culture, equal among equals, visa-free, cosmopolitan and tolerant. And the events in Ukraine broke their dream. No, it is precisely the West that brewed this mess, they are not interested in how fools in love forgive everyone for alcoholic husbands. But the sharp movement of Russia ... worsened relations. No, that is, gesheft, maybe, too, but, most importantly, still broken comfort. People of art, the main thing is emotions, not the head.
          And about liberalism: it is not bad and not good, this is an economic approach that is necessary and effective in its place, and you do not need to condemn certain figures for liberal views. So easy to splash out with dirty water and baby. Need to blame for hiding under the liberal views of Westernism. The tendency to consider the West an ideal, to evaluate it uncritically and in everything, again without criticism, to imitate.
          Ps: About Tobaccos: Gray Brother said: "And before I broke his neck, he told everything" - so his fate is all right.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A April 15 2016 00: 08
            +5
            Quote: Azitral
            these people, regardless of gender, are feminine, uncritically in love with the West. They wanted and hoped that Russia would one day become one of the other peoples of Western culture, equal among equals, visa-free, cosmopolitan and tolerant.

            Everything is easier. In the West, actors get more (in terms of dollars). So they want the same nishtyakov. Basilashvili himself plowed all his life, how many amazing villains and heroes he played - and who is he by American standards? Bum. I do not defend him and the other Akhedzhakov-Makarevichs - on the contrary, a creative, public person should think THREE TIME with his head what to say and do. But I would like to note that in the same Hollywood, an actor of the level of Basilashvili, by his old age, will make "ten eight millions" and calmly live up to the joy of his heirs. So if the hunt for Hollywood nishtyakov - why didn’t they leave 25 years ago? And even earlier. Only we all saw the same Kramarov - who he was here and who became THERE .... The biggest role - 5 words in "Red Heat" .... Therefore, the choice is theirs ....
          2. ver_
            ver_ April 16 2016 10: 27
            +1
            ... if the concepts of liberal or non-liberal existed in technology, what the hell mechanism would work ...
        8. code54
          code54 April 14 2016 16: 59
          +2
          And I didn’t hear that Lazareva was speaking about ... She lived in Moscow, forgot Siberian frosts? I decided to arrange a public relations, because they forgot for a long time who she is!
        9. I am human
          I am human April 15 2016 22: 55
          +2
          She’s a cheap thing ... They’ve completely divorced ... It's time to reduce the scum in Russia, to drive such clowns with a broom trash ... By the way, her husband Shchats, a very speaking surname
      2. gergi
        gergi April 14 2016 08: 45
        +10
        If this horse leaves us, the air will be a little cleaner. Then piss off.
      3. Baloo
        Baloo April 14 2016 10: 06
        +12
        Leads a children's transmission on cable is also stupid and joyless. Grantososy can only grimace and clown.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 18
          +6
          Quote: Balu
          If this horse leaves us, the air will be a little cleaner. Then piss off.

          Quote: Balu
          Leads a children's transmission on cable is also stupid and joyless. Grantososy can only grimace and clown.

          Quote: Wend
          Lazereva’s list includes not only hatred of Russia,

          What is she, what is Urgant, two boots
    2. Vend
      Vend April 14 2016 09: 31
      +7
      Quote: cergey51046
      Such must be shot or deprived of citizenship without the right to reside in Russia.

      Lazireva not only has hatred of Russia, she and her husband squeezed the author's program "Through the mouth of a baby" without paying a penny.
    3. Error
      Error April 14 2016 09: 48
      +11
      I agree that for a damn thing! Think what you say! In general, all of these musicians who first promoted in Ukraine Russian quilted jackets, etc. And then come here to give concerts! They must be arrested and changed to prisoners!
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 14 2016 10: 33
      +17
      Lazareva - Shatz, suitcase, train station, Israel! am
    6. yahont
      yahont April 14 2016 19: 43
      +1
      Quote: subbtin.725
      So we see what parmesan is doing with people.

      Judging by the photo, everything is simpler, our Tanya got ham, fell a piece on his head and ricocheted on his legs. And as a result, a placard in hand and a wheelchair. ☺☺
    7. zloybond
      zloybond April 14 2016 20: 46
      +9
      Seriously, this "citizen" would know how many people really abroad of Russia are proud of our achievements. They are proud for us that we have such a president, but unfortunately they do not ... I have been in one small Muslim country for a year now, with a population larger than in the Russian Federation ... and when passers-by hear Russian speech, they just come up and shake hands and say: Putin! Russia russian!!! thanks for that, though you Russian pinch America !!!! When a Muslim calls you at night and apologizes for the fact that the Turks shot down our plane ... Only then you begin to feel pride in your country and your president!
    8. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 16 2016 10: 40
      0
      Quote: cergey51046
      Such must be shot through or deprived of citizenship

      Well, why do so rude? There are other, milder methods. To create such conditions for these people so that they voluntarily leave the country. And deprive them of the opportunity to be wronged. So that the host country had no reason to provide such people with financial assistance, passing them off as persecuted by Russia. Care must be taken, slowly.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2016 06: 40
    +28
    The first channel ... I haven’t watched it for a long time ... Honestly ... sick ... I prefer the Star ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 14 2016 06: 55
      +23
      Quote: parusnik
      The first channel ... I haven’t watched it for a long time ... Honestly ... sick ... I prefer the Star ...

      I agree, + 100500 ...
      1. KOH
        KOH April 14 2016 07: 23
        +10
        The first channel is the first sewer ...
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        2. SveTok
          SveTok April 14 2016 09: 25
          +14
          I am also spawned by the parodies of films on wonderful films that have been shot long ago, such as "The Crew", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and others. You can see the cut of the budget with culture intertwined not only in restoration.
      2. Yujiko
        Yujiko April 17 2016 05: 25
        0
        http://musicalstorm.ru/pesnia-ms/noize-mc_1-kanal
        Noize Mc - 1 channel in mp3
        A beautiful song about TV. (a little obscene)
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 14 2016 07: 32
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      The first channel ... I haven’t watched it for a long time ... Honestly ... sick ... I prefer the Star ...

      Plus NTV, TNT, well, I don’t watch the others, but my wife is watching ... in the next room. And she began to complain about the Star - there was nothing to look at.
    3. Altona
      Altona April 14 2016 08: 27
      +11
      Quote: parusnik
      The first channel ... I haven’t watched it for a long time ... Honestly ... sick ... I prefer the Star ...

      ----------------------
      Channel "Russia-1" also showed "Dancing with the Stars", where the artist Petrov danced in the uniform of a Wehrmacht officer. These are the dances. Those who have not seen it can watch it on Youtube. This is such a "romanticization of the image". And then, apparently, there will be a rehabilitation of the Nazi invasion.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. April 14 2016 09: 45
        +6
        Quote: Altona
        Channel "Russia-1" also showed "Dancing with the Stars", where the artist Petrov danced in the uniform of a Wehrmacht officer. These are the dances. Those who have not seen it can watch it on Youtube. This is such a "romanticization of the image". And then, apparently, there will be a rehabilitation of the Nazi invasion.

        I recall a French frog that is boiled by slowly heating water, and not thrown into boiling water. This is happening at the moment with us, RIGHT NOW. Europe has already been cooked. The media are mostly liberalistic. The same thing happens in art and education. Throwing in terms like "forced patriot", i.e. logically not at all a patriot but under the guise of patriots. They are about themselves, and all patriots are under suspicion. Total brainwashing, no better than the Ukrainians. The Soviets will leave and that's it, the NEW WORLD is ready.
        1. KOH
          KOH April 14 2016 10: 57
          +1
          You're right! We also have television washing our brains, especially young people ...
    4. gergi
      gergi April 14 2016 11: 31
      +2
      The first became the last. Presnyatina diluted with vulgarity.
  3. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 14 2016 06: 51
    +20
    TP Lazareva just nostalgic for the full 90m, when all this acting trash was on horseback. Well, in principle, there were no tyrnets in fact, except for the geeks sitting in the fidonets. I had to look zomboyaschik. With the advent of the Internet, they are doomed to extinction ....
    1. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky April 14 2016 07: 12
      +12
      just nostalgic for well-fed 90m

      For these people, the well-fed 90 did not end! It became worse for anyone to live, except for this comedic-entertaining racket. Alas, the psychology of a simple viewer who needs all these clowns to escape from everyday life ... hi
  4. brasist
    brasist April 14 2016 06: 56
    +5
    But isn’t it time for this ... to help develop the tree industry somewhere in the taiga?
  5. Naval
    Naval April 14 2016 07: 03
    +8
    Traitors and Judas were, are and will be in any nation. The question of the number and percentage of the total.
    The right words, but I would like to add, it is also important the attitude of the people to these renegades. There can be no tolerance in this matter, otherwise a gap on the finger will lead to infection of the whole organism and a lethal end.
  6. semirek
    semirek April 14 2016 07: 05
    +13
    To be honest, after the penal battalion, I stopped watching domestic military serials, which is understandable, for example, my favorite TV series "Liberation" was filmed by the front-line soldier Ozerov, who knew what war was, but the current authors are so vulnerable in the details and spirit of wartime ...
    Regarding this article: the author mixed everything in a heap and the film and the Lokot "republic" and added Lazarev, to whom the majority do not care, it is clear that the author criticizes the new series, which does not harmonize with his ideas about military duty and honor, I agree.
    1. Katman
      Katman April 14 2016 08: 33
      0
      Sorry, I didn’t understand about the battalion. Were or about the movie? Really interesting.
      1. gergi
        gergi April 14 2016 19: 42
        0
        Anything can happen in a penal battalion, but it’s never boring.
      2. Altona
        Altona April 14 2016 20: 42
        0
        Quote: Katman
        Sorry, I didn’t understand about the battalion. Were or about the movie? Really interesting.

        -----------------------
        In the search engine, score "penal battalions and penal companies" and you will be happy.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 14 2016 07: 07
    +10
    Roman, I don't watch any serials on any channels, which is what I wish for you. Several experiments like "Elimination" and "Saboteur" were enough for me (and it was even filmed quite well, KVM), but that was all. Since then I have been living in peace, I am not nervous about such reasons. My children don't watch this crap either, and this is the best way to educate a healthy psyche on my part.
    1. Jagermeister
      Jagermeister April 14 2016 09: 03
      -2
      Didn't liquidation suit you?
      It was a masterpiece.
  8. Mijas
    Mijas April 14 2016 07: 07
    +24
    My wife already calls me a tyrant and a potential member of the NKVD firing squad (if that were the case now). Well, all these liberals, human rights activists and whiners have already stood across the throat. The TNT channel needs to be banned altogether. I also look almost only at the Star, especially now I like the program about traitors with Lugovoi. In general, if you think that if now (God forbid, of course) suffering and war were overturned on our country as in 1941-1945, then all this riffraff in the form of the opposition and so on would have turned out to be nothing more than policemen, traitors, shooters, etc. It was they who, on command of the enemy, would burn our villages and kill our loved ones. If they now, with a rather well-fed and favorable lifestyle, have a fierce hatred of everything ours, then what would they do under the power of enemies (suppose our potential). Sad of all this, and sometimes scary. So since hunting is now an expensive pleasure I will hold the arsenal just in case)))) Sorry, it’s boiling, it’s sore ...
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 14 2016 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: Mijas
      . The TNT channel needs to be banned altogether. Also look almost only a Star

      But what about Solovyov-Kiselev-Tolstoy? Are you, comrade, be sure to watch also the 2nd channel. You show political myopia. An excellent channel TsarGrad TV - with Norkin, Dugin, Prilepin. You'll like it.
      Ren TV, which from morning till night exposes conspiracies against Russia by the Masons, Anglo-Saxons and aliens, is also very useful to watch. Well, NTV is mandatory for use.
  9. Darkness
    Darkness April 14 2016 07: 18
    +6
    What can I say, if on the first channel, they represent the unfortunate Nazi, who dearly fell in love with a Russian girl.
    I want to come and burn everyone.
  10. then
    then April 14 2016 07: 22
    +11
    The problem is deeper. What happens to talented people over time? Kasparov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova ... and before that with Landau, who pounced on a meeting in the Central Committee of the CPSU in his pajamas. Dizzy with success? Megalomania? Or brain softening? Can anyone explain this?
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 14 2016 07: 36
      +6
      Yes, indeed, when they become popular, they start to treat people scornfully. The most disgusting thing is the country. Well, Lazareva will be interesting in any country in the world. HA-HA-HA! She thought that.
    2. Pvi1206
      Pvi1206 April 14 2016 09: 07
      +1
      national trait ...
    3. Jagermeister
      Jagermeister April 14 2016 09: 07
      -2
      Quote: sedan
      The problem is deeper. What happens to talented people over time? Kasparov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova ... and before that with Landau, who pounced on a meeting in the Central Committee of the CPSU in his pajamas. Dizzy with success? Megalomania? Or brain softening? Can anyone explain this?

      Maybe I'm afraid of the word ... Jews?
      The heroine of this article is Katz’s husband.
    4. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 22
      0
      Quote: sedan
      The problem is deeper. What happens to talented people over time? Kasparov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova ... and before that with Landau, who pounced on a meeting in the Central Committee of the CPSU in his pajamas. Dizzy with success? Megalomania? Or brain softening? Can anyone explain this?


      Whatever talent (genius), it’s sure to be some kind of ... d ... rock
    5. Tanya
      Tanya April 14 2016 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: sedan
      The problem is deeper. What happens to talented people over time? Kasparov, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova ... and before that with Landau, who pounced on a meeting in the Central Committee of the CPSU in his pajamas. Dizzy with success? Megalomania? Or brain softening? Can anyone explain this?

      My father used to say about such people: "Live more wonderful, you will become famous faster."
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 14 2016 07: 22
    +2
    It's time to introduce ideology and censorship.
    Because this is annoying "and I see it" from our filmmakers.
    "Bastards", by the way, is not a bad movie if you watch it as just an action movie.
    But now I don't see films in the style of "We are from the future", where it is clear and understandable,
    modern language shows the feat of our fighters.
    I would like to see a movie about "Small Land".
    Only really about "Small Land", and not the love drama of the main characters.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 08: 19
      +30
      Quote: Zomanus
      "Bastards", by the way, is not a bad movie if you watch it as just an action movie.

      According to the real events of the Second World War, we can shoot such fighters that Schwarzenegger and Stallone will weep with envy.
      The case when a soldier was carrying ammunition on a cart in his native rear and flew into a reconnaissance platoon of Germans? They surrounded him, you won’t be rocky, the officer came up, said something ... it’s not known what, but he upset the soldier. He took the ax lying on the cart and chopped off (!) The officer’s head (!!!).
      The Germans, of course, are in shock. They may be special forces, but they were clearly not prepared for such collisions. And our warrior, who has done nothing wrong, retrieves three grenades and ... two dozen corpses. This gloomy Teutonic spirit could not bear and the remnants of the platoon rushed to flee. A fighter with an ax drove them to the outskirts of a nearby village where he killed another officer.
      Unlike many, many military stories, this one is absolutely reliable, because having done his job, the warrior was not lost (he was generally not inclined to bewilderment laughing ), searched the corpses, seized all documents found, personal Teuton tokens, brought supplies to their destination and reported on the work done ... laughing . Clearly, they did not believe him, but the documents ... tokens ... went to check - everything was exactly as the warrior had told.
      The situation is especially cynicized by the fact that all this happened at the village with the original Russian name "Arctic fox" laughing
      In general, the case is documented reliably, and the fighter is awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. The name of the hero is Dmitry Ovcharenko. Later he returned to the machine gunners (he drove a cart due to a wound), fought valiantly and was very sorry that he did not survive the victory (he died in Hungary in 1945)
      And another case, when our soldier in the attack, having lost his weapon, used the faustpatron, which was honestly repulsed from the enemy, as a club and nailed them either 10 or 11 German infantrymen? That's for sure "if the street will wave, it will be waved away - the lane ..."
      No, b, we better talk about rape ... am
      Well, yes, in war everything happens. But only the Red Army, as I recall, was the only army (Germans, Angles, Americans, etc. did not bother), where execution was relied on for such an attitude towards the population. And shot.
      1. Jagermeister
        Jagermeister April 14 2016 09: 11
        -14%
        There was no such thing.
        Try chopping something off with an ax.
        Start with the legs of the chair. And then the German platoon with machine guns.
        This is all the humor of writers from Sovinformburo.
        And the hero was given. Comedy Club is resting.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 09: 45
          +10
          Quote: Jägermeister
          There was no such thing.

          It was.
          Quote: Jägermeister
          Try chopping something off with an ax.

          Why should I? I rarely hold an ax in my hands, except for barbecue if, and even then not every time, well, when hiking in my youth. But (as a young man), a medium-sized chunk of one size puffed out with one blow. And what can one do with an ax who has been dealing with him for a long time ...
          Quote: Jägermeister
          This is all the humor of writers from Sovinformburo.

          The argumentation is lethal: "It never happened, because it never happened!"
          1. Jagermeister
            Jagermeister April 14 2016 10: 39
            -10%
            You read the old binder.
            And you will not see this.
            "A soldier shot down 2 with a rifle! A J-88 PIKER ...". Journal of Technology of Youth 1942 ...
            Creativity of the war years.
            What just do not write. You yourself will appreciate it. It can be or not.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 11: 20
              0
              Quote: Jägermeister
              You read the old binder.

              You can write a lot, but, I repeat, this case is specifically documented by the most indulge, and there is no reason not to believe in it.
              Quote: Jägermeister
              You yourself will appreciate it. It can be or not.

              Sagging, maybe yes, of course. This does not happen in war.
              1. Jagermeister
                Jagermeister April 14 2016 12: 29
                -3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: Jägermeister
                You read the old binder.

                You can write a lot, but, I repeat, this case is specifically documented by the most indulge, and there is no reason not to believe in it.
                Quote: Jägermeister
                You yourself will appreciate it. It can be or not.

                Sagging, maybe yes, of course. This does not happen in war.

                Well, how was it documented?
                Was there a camera there?
                A friend came and gestured to the fisherman to show how it was.
                Two other eccentrics knocked on a typewriter report and passed upstairs. This is called documented.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 13: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Jägermeister
                  Well, how was it documented?

                  Yes, not the way you paint here.
                  They wrote to you in Russian in white - the guy examined the corpses, removed the documents from them, and there was a lot of everything, including maps of the area and so on. All this was handed over to them to the commanders, who accepted it, sent it "upstairs" according to the inventory, etc. Those. there are documents actually taken from the battle, there is evidence of eyewitnesses who examined the battlefield.
                  And what do you have as a counterweight? Nothing.
                  You are here, dozens of comments above, I'm sorry, you are talking frank nonsense about the tank corps, which supposedly could not fight with the partisans. So what? And again - NOTHING other than your own idle thoughts.
                  In general, you personally can believe what you want, we have a free country. But if you’re about to refute someone’s exploits, be so kind as to operate with at least something other than your own speculation.
      2. grandson of the hero
        grandson of the hero April 14 2016 10: 52
        +3
        Thank you Andrey! Thank you so much.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 11: 27
          0
          Yes, it would be for that, dear grandson of the hero! hi drinks
          It’s a pity that the performance for the title of Hero in full size has not been laid out
      3. Waran
        Waran April 15 2016 12: 52
        +1
        I subscribe to your words! :) I myself am looking forward to "28 Panfilov" and "Steel".
        My family has 1 TV, but large (55), we look at it from a USB flash drive / disk that the thread is good. We do not watch TV, hands do not reach to disconnect.
      4. Waran
        Waran April 15 2016 12: 52
        0
        I subscribe to your words! :) I myself am looking forward to "28 Panfilov" and "Steel".
        My family has 1 TV, but large (55), we look at it from a USB flash drive / disk that the thread is good. We do not watch TV, hands do not reach to disconnect.
    2. Katman
      Katman April 14 2016 08: 47
      +3
      Hello. About the film "Bastards" I have already answered Roman. He is not right! And I did not understand about Malaya Zemlya. About Brezhnev or about the fighters ?? If about them, then without American fiction. Forward to the future. (Although I don't have much time left)
      1. a housewife
        a housewife April 14 2016 09: 38
        +6
        But what about the Small Earth film is impossible to make a good one? Including about Brezhnev? In general, about Novorossiysk? Not only did they fight in Malaya! And, by the way, the city was not completely handed over to the end, from the cement plant Proletarian and further east - were ours.
  12. skylare
    skylare April 14 2016 08: 11
    +7
    Kipling told everything in detail. The jackal Tabaki safely rested shortly after Sher Khan from the fangs of the Gray Brother. A thick hint of what such "patriotism" leads to.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland April 15 2016 23: 51
      0
      Quote: skylare
      Kipling just told everything in detail.


      Duc ... people studied Kipling in cartoons!
      When I read the article, too, I immediately remembered how Tabaki ended. Here Kipling has just the upper class - so petty that it doesn’t even deserve a scene of reprisal, just Gray Brother mentions in a conversation that he seemed to understand Tabaka.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland April 16 2016 00: 47
        0
        Modera, your robot-ne.do.um.ok is already sick of it - if it erases from the text the word t-in-a-r-r (CSC, used in relation to jackal! ) The one who programmed it - what place does he think? fool
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  13. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg April 14 2016 08: 18
    +9
    Why did Tanya move to a stroller? Tymoshenko's laurels do not give rest? Shame Novosibirsk ...
  14. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 14 2016 08: 22
    -5
    Each one has his own patriotism, civilian example of this, each on his side was a patriot in his own way, one can also say forced, the war always forces us to do something, the side that proposed a more attractive future won
  15. wandlitz
    wandlitz April 14 2016 08: 23
    +9
    Quote: Stalevar
    And who is this Lazareva? Clowness, clown, clown. And this ingenious ... threatens to leave the country ....

    So they only scare that they will leave ...
    They won’t leave ...
    Nobody needs them there ...
    There is enough of such a g .... in the West ...
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: wandlitz
      So they only scare that they will leave ...
      They won’t leave ...
      Nobody needs them there ...
      There is enough of such a g .... in the West ...

      noah go.
      the air is cleaner ...
  16. Russia
    Russia April 14 2016 08: 25
    +26
    The desire to be "popular" shifts the mind.
    Nothing changes - just to PR.
    1. Waran
      Waran April 15 2016 12: 58
      0
      One on labutens and the other in GL bots chtoli? .... :)
    2. Waran
      Waran April 15 2016 12: 58
      0
      One on labutens and the other in GL bots chtoli? .... :)
  17. Katman
    Katman April 14 2016 08: 26
    -6
    Roman, hello. I haven't finished reading it yet, but the question has already appeared. About the film "Bastards" Was it or was it not? You know? Exactly? With the facts? And I don’t know. I have the most positive impression of the film. Not specifically from fictional characters, but from the fact that the guys Fought! And that's a FACT!
    1. MrK
      MrK April 14 2016 11: 12
      -1
      Quote: Katman
      About the film "Bastards". Was it or was it not? You know? Exactly? With facts? And I don’t know.

      If you don't know, read the books. A. Kurlyandchik on Proza.ru in the book "The Cursed Soviet Power" ... clearly written about this film, with specific facts.
  18. volodya
    volodya April 14 2016 08: 28
    +7
    I’m also a patriot! If you had relatives in the Crimea or in the Donbass you would sing differently!
  19. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul April 14 2016 08: 31
    +19
    I agree with Roman that in our country, even in patriotic films, a historical lie is necessarily inserted. An example is the new film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". In general, not bad, even good. But the Soviet government was slandered anyway. They made Brichkina the daughter of a dispossessed man, and Chetvertak ended up in an orphanage after her parents were repressed. Especially I re-read the story (I read it for the first time in childhood in the magazine "Youth.) Brichkina is the daughter of a forester, not a word about dispossession. Yes, Chetvertak from the orphanage, but again not words about how she got there. They might say, they say, how could she get there, if not from a family of repressed? And how do our children get there now? So, in general, a good film was spoiled with a little historical lie.
    1. Jagermeister
      Jagermeister April 14 2016 09: 18
      -17%
      Quote: iury.vorgul
      I agree with Roman that in our country, even in patriotic films, they necessarily insert a historical investment. An example is the new film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". In general, not bad, even good. But the Soviet government was slandered anyway. They made Brichkina the daughter of a dispossessed man, and Chetvertak ended up in an orphanage after her parents were repressed. Especially I re-read the story (I read it for the first time in childhood in the magazine "Youth.) Brichkina is the daughter of a forester, not a word about dispossession. Yes, Chetvertak from the orphanage, but again not words about how she got there. They might say, they say, how could she get there, if not from a family of repressed? And how do our children get there now? So, in general, a good film was spoiled with a little historical lie.

      Do not tell me when this story was written.
      This, I recall, was an era of lack of freedom of speech, called socialist realism.
      For example, the author was forced to edit the young guard — he did not show the role of the party in the struggle.
      Do not forget that in the Second World War the Party won, and the people with it, insofar as. The people have nothing to do with it. This is Socialist Realism.
      1. pigkiller
        pigkiller April 14 2016 10: 02
        +3
        You, Mr. "Kornilovite" habitually distort. Open at least the books of V. Nekrasov and Yu. Bondarev.
  20. atamankko
    atamankko April 14 2016 08: 39
    +7
    I always thought liberals were mean, no matter who you were before,
    it is important who you are now, and Lazareva is the level of "pusek" - to forget and do not care.
  21. matross
    matross April 14 2016 08: 40
    0
    Roman, I'm sorry, the article from me is a minus. The example with the series is unfortunate. They pulled a small and random episode to the right topic. The Executioner is full of images and, for the opposite example, of real Soviet people.
    A good negative example, in my opinion, is the series "The Fighters". For such a patriotic cranberry, you definitely need to give it.
  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 14 2016 08: 51
    +5
    So ask today a question to our president why such an orgy is happening on our TV channels. Our liberal radio channel "Silver Rain" began to play on the radio, drowning out the rest. Mockery of patriotism, our state and people is the main theme.
    And about the question to the president, I already hear the answer. Like we have a free democratic state. am My opinion is "It is not free and not democratic, because there is no power of the people." When making decisions, no one asks the people about anything. And with people like Lazarev we are not on the way. They are different.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland April 16 2016 00: 42
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And about the question to the president, I already hear the answer. Like we have a free democratic state


      And why in Hollywood from 1930 to 1967 almost never removed porn, you know? There then was complete democracy - only the Association of Manufacturers and distributors films took the so-called. the Hayes Code of Ethics - in the end shoot something porn movies were possible, but they had no chance of being rolled out cinemas owned by members of the association.
      So if the state seriously was interested in covering up the topic - it would be possible to pinch their tail quite democratically!
  23. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 14 2016 08: 56
    +4
    Dear Roman, he’s right in everything, but if you look at this topic from a different, somewhat unexpected angle? Expressed by the famous:
    “But is it not time, my friends, for us to swing at William, you see, um, our Shakespeare?”

    Maybe you need to not only criticize this undeserving shkolota, but maybe you should try SAMIM people like Roman, go to power, in the same State Duma?
    Take the country to normal, loving and decent hands?
    I think that would support Millions, but it is necessary that there was WHO. And the VO site, I think, would be a serious help in this necessary matter.
    Sure that party in winked smile -would be the best party in the State Duma and in a country that would restore order, including in the above issues yes smile

    The answer in the film WAS: " And sweep!" yes
    1. Jagermeister
      Jagermeister April 14 2016 09: 22
      -15%
      Such a party already exists.
      This is the Communist Party. Why do I need some other. Party Wo!
      At Military Review 90% of the population profess cave communism.
      1. MrK
        MrK April 14 2016 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: Jägermeister
        At Military Review 90% of the population profess cave communism.


        This is better than Jägermeister’s cave fascism
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 14 2016 09: 50
      +6
      Aleksander I support your comment.
      Here in VO there are people who can adequately fulfill the duties of a representative of the people of the country and everything must be done so that they can become deputies.
      It is not normal for some deputies in the State Duma to lobby for the interests of big business, others receive outside support because they are promoters or propagandists of outside interests, while still others do not understand the essence of the incident and vote as ordered.
      The country has accumulated a lot of problems. Problems cannot be accumulated, they must be solved as they become available. And in the State Duma there is no one to solve them.
      Who is for organizing a party from VO?
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 14 2016 09: 58
        +5
        Quote: olimpiada15
        Who is for organizing a party from VO?

        I am for:)))
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 April 14 2016 11: 30
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Who is for organizing a party from VO?

          I am for:)))


          I support, because water does not flow under a lying stone.
      2. grandson of the hero
        grandson of the hero April 14 2016 11: 02
        +1
        I am for!
        And those who retained their membership card and fidelity to oath are in the forefront.
      3. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: olimpiada15
        Who is for organizing a party from VO?


        And by whom the general secretary, banshiya? )))
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          April 14 2016 13: 27
          0
          Quote: sherp2015
          And by whom the general secretary, banshiya? )))


          No, thank you. Not mine. I can support your candidacy, but I myself am purely for rejection.
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 April 14 2016 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            No, thank you. Not mine. I can support your candidacy, but I myself purely for recusal


            Roman, you are responding to provocative comments, but the code is NECESSARY! reply to another comment, keep quiet, like a fish on ice! hi
  24. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 14 2016 09: 01
    +2
    Forced patriots are those who seek their own benefit in any situation.
    And we have long been able to distinguish between such ...
  25. Bosk
    Bosk April 14 2016 09: 18
    +1
    "Forced patriotism! ..., by the way, among these" forced "patriots there are a lot of so-called" Hurray "patriots, so at least on the example of the" VO "site, remember a few years ago if you only had to slightly praise Putin, you could not weakly pick up the minuses .. ., and now?, I mean that these "monusovalschiki" did not go anywhere, they stayed here, the realities of life just changed and they "rushed" after the majority, that is, they became ardent patriots and my opinion is that such quiet "patriots" much more dangerous than some kind of "aunt" who, out of her own stupidity, carries some kind of nonsense for the sake of cheap PR!
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik April 14 2016 09: 56
      +3
      This is something teenage protest. "Punish me, I'm a bad girl, and then forgive and love"
      1. Bosk
        Bosk April 14 2016 14: 36
        +1
        Teenagers consider punishment as a reward, but such a masochistic perception of the world ... We were all teenagers and we all protested, but here ... rather a challenge to everyone, they say, look how "beautiful" and "incomprehensible" I am! Each one raises his own self-esteem but what do we have to do with it? and most importantly from which "drum" to raise such a stir ...
  26. Averias
    Averias April 14 2016 09: 23
    +4
    When I learned how the abbreviation OSB-studio stands for (ceremonies, weddings, funerals), I "deleted" forever this program and its presenters from my memory. For rubbish, rubbish, low-grade surrogate. After all, they (all this is a "show") and then, like cockroaches, climbed into all the cracks (dough, dough, dough at any cost). And then, then I saw this Lazareva on the news with Bolotnaya. And he was not at all surprised when I saw her, with a twisted face and mad eyes, chanting - Freedom, Freedom. Such "personalities" are not even parasites, I cannot even find a term. They are "rust" on the "body" of history. You can fight rust, but as soon as you miss the moment, it is there.
    1. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero April 14 2016 11: 09
      0
      Yesterday (by the way) I fought with rust. One item was lying around, here I am of it and that. Almost an hour fiddling. Now it shines like a separate cat’s piers in clear weather - it’s both pleasant to look and business (a tourist hatchet).
  27. Tanya
    Tanya April 14 2016 09: 42
    +7
    I don't know who Lazareva is, I haven't read Akhedzhakova either. But from "Memories" of some real participants in the Second World War, it becomes uncomfortable. An example of such an author is Bogopolsky M.P., but there are also many others similar. Continuous rape of German women, drunkenness, looting, soldiers' hatred for each other and commanders, etc., with a small admixture of factual material. One gets the impression that this is not written by the participants in the war, but by some special near-literary gang.
    And then it goes "to the people" under the slogan "how everything was in reality." What to do about it ???
  28. hartlend
    hartlend April 14 2016 09: 57
    +2
    Under these conditions, there is a more striking division into patriots and "pseudo-patrites" This is normal. You don't have to react so painfully. The problem is that "they" are everywhere - in the government, in the media, they are lawyers, economists. The question is how to get them out of there. Well, Lazarev is a talking surname, one could expect.
  29. pigkiller
    pigkiller April 14 2016 10: 10
    +6
    Everything turned out to be simple with Lazareva and her Shchats. Their opposition appeared
    after the requirement of the Federal Tax Service to submit a declaration of income, incl. from participating in corporate parties
    and concerts.
  30. zb-65
    zb-65 April 14 2016 10: 25
    +5
    I didn't have time to "leave" ...
  31. runway
    runway April 14 2016 10: 58
    -7
    The author in this article allowed himself to doubt his conclusions by writing "Forced patriots, obviously, from the same opera "
    But in VO such liberal quacks do not work. Particularly violent already identified ALL forced send patriots to Siberia, and even better just to shoot ....
    I want to ask, and after you shoot ALL of your lists, will you stop? Or create triples to define forced patriots?
    Could it be easier to make our country powerful and developing without repression and torture?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      April 14 2016 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: piston
      I want to ask, and after you shoot ALL on your lists, will you stop? Or create TROIKI to determine forced patriots?


      Also I want to ask: where do you take the address, do not throw it? I also want to be rested so.

      Where, I'm sorry, did I have a word about executions? About repression? About torture?

      You stop cracking chemistry, good will not end.
      1. runway
        runway April 14 2016 15: 18
        0
        Thanks for the advice.
        Read carefully. My comment says: "Especially violent have already identified ALL forced patriots to be sent to Siberia, or even better, just shoot ... ".
        I am glad that you are not particularly violent, but your increased interest in "chemistry" is alarming ...
  32. xBoris
    xBoris April 14 2016 11: 01
    +2
    Hello, cold-headed, distinctly written on the case !!
  33. Nonna
    Nonna April 14 2016 11: 05
    +2
    The Russian channels belong to the enemies of Russia and the ideological component for them is written in the west. Accordingly, all these Ernsts, Lazarevs, Posners, Urgants and other work, or rather fulfill the Russophobic, anti-Russian order. And if you look literally at all the figures of showbiz - the whole population is literally with Gus surnames. And do not close your eyes to this and play tolerance. Our history is corresponded, our heroes are anathematized, our memory is destroyed by a cunning enemy. Stop being silent - you can’t put a handkerchief on the whole people
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 14 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Nonna
      Russian channels belong to the enemies of Russia

      Cool you are about friends of Putin and the government. If Russia is an enemy for you, go to your friends to Ukrainians, what are you doing here.
  34. Al1977
    Al1977 April 14 2016 11: 36
    +2
    Liberastov to the wall !!!
  35. sergant89
    sergant89 April 14 2016 11: 48
    +7
    Maybe at least there will be a movie about the Great War. I hope.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 14 2016 12: 28
      0
      Quote: sergant89
      Maybe at least there will be a movie about the Great War. I hope

      What do you mean? Based on historical documents? Good special effects? Patriotic? Or what is the criterion of a good time for WWII?
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 14 2016 13: 20
        +1
        Quote: Al1977
        Good special effects?

        It’s best to shoot about the war in black and white, the current movie about the war with its too saturated colors causes a feeling of implausibility
  36. erik cartman
    erik cartman April 14 2016 11: 53
    +1
    And this one was sold like a station girl. It is interesting that there was not enough money. Once so implacable, let him leave and try to get behind the hill on TV. There she did not rest against anyone, but here she showed her true face and soul. As noted above - TP. Pooping in the hands that feed her and her children. There was a better opinion about Tatyana.
  37. iouris
    iouris April 14 2016 12: 12
    +3
    They make such demarches not for ideological reasons. These guys, if they will "stand", then only for a lot of money. Someone from the power and the loot of the haves pays and "covers" such "monstrations". It was noticed that the Maidan begins with defamation of those who are "for order."
  38. Turkir
    Turkir April 14 2016 12: 37
    +2
    The article is correct. Good example and criticism.
    I would just like to add that this is NOT the only example. There are many of them.
    And this is a tendency to show Russians as animals that need to be taught to the mind.
    Who are the teachers? Well, from history: "Trotsky" are always there.
    They will teach us - "the era of mercy."
  39. Azitral
    Azitral April 14 2016 12: 55
    0
    In general, the author scared me. Give such power and they, having overfished their fists, will begin to catch podkulachnikov, and based on their own sympathies or (mostly) antipathies. Then - someone else, and so on until everything around plunges into "witch trials". Don't like the show? Did the book reflect something wrong? Take it out of your position, only better. Not letting you shoot? So this is most likely for lack of professionalism or mediocrity.
  40. NordUral
    NordUral April 14 2016 15: 09
    +1
    Tanya, go! And it seemed like a smart girl, you have to ...
    1. Siberian
      Siberian April 14 2016 19: 09
      +1
      Smart girls at least graduated from the institute (in Novosibirsk, from the time of Tanya’s youth, out of 15 universities, 13 were technical with a competition of 0,25 people per place). Do not graduate with a diploma from the Novosibirsk Technical University - nonsense!
  41. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 14 2016 15: 55
    +1
    But forced patriots - it will be worse. For they are patriots. In appearance. But in fact - forced. Something like a secret Masonic lodge, when during the day a person works tirelessly for the good of the state, and in the evening, with a group of friends, thinks about how to insert this state from the other side.

    Well said. Hence the moral - state censorship is needed, no, state censorship. With which
    By the way, for our money, and if not for ours, but for the State Department, on our TV, we are being watered gavnom. On their TV, this is not nearly observed, and if something so-and-so accidentally creeps out onto the screen, the creator receives a wolf ticket and a hefty kick in the ass. It’s not a sin, and we borrow this technique
    in developed democracies.
  42. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 14 2016 16: 10
    +4
    There is no forced patriotism. Patriotism, whether it is or is not, is another matter that everyone understands it in their own way. As in the Civil War, for example, whites understood in their patriotism, red in their own way. But neither one nor the other cursed Russia, and called her mother. And this brainless chicken, which seems to be the actress herself, can bring down anywhere, the air will become cleaner.
  43. Buffet
    Buffet April 14 2016 16: 54
    +1
    Bad article. There are many thoughts, but they rush from one extreme to another. They talked about some kind of jumper, then there was already talk about the series ... And now he is bad and it seems not bad, and who is to blame. And more specifically it is impossible or shorter?
    1. Siberian
      Siberian April 14 2016 19: 12
      +1
      Judging by the photo - Russophobia brings to a wheelchair and orthopedic shoes.
      And one famous Chechen field commander also had a light metal patch on his head from this. They identified her.
  44. 1z1961gjgjd
    1z1961gjgjd April 14 2016 17: 45
    +4
    It just so happened that on the stage there are mainly people from Ukraine. There is nothing shameful in this, if we take into account the merits of outstanding artists such as I. Kobzon, but Ukrainian Russophobes must be driven not only from the stage, but also from Russia. Let the fans earn "loot" in "Square"!
  45. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha April 14 2016 19: 04
    0
    Well, Jewess, show how you will leave the country of Russia and renounce Russian citizenship. We will be very grateful to you for this. Well, we don’t need Jews who do not need Russian people, who always put a stick in the wheels. Ehay St. Israel. Yes, and why don’t you criticize your fellow tribesmen who even join Bandera organizations on the Ruin?
  46. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff April 14 2016 19: 18
    0
    and forget about this. and forgive. kick the chairpersons.
  47. yahont
    yahont April 14 2016 20: 06
    0
    I haven’t watched films and TV shows about the Second World War made after 1991 for a long time. Alas, the spirit in the films is not that dramatic and heroic of those times, the directors alas can’t convey, unfortunately those directors who fought themselves, for example, Rostotsky, have already left. As the saying goes: a full hungry one does not understand. Now they are trying to replace the heroism of those times with a kind of subtlety, and the broken character of a soldier or fighters, etc., forgetting about discipline. About the war films shot in 60-70. I watch it myself with pleasure and show children. Fortunately, there is still the opportunity to download, from an Internet.
  48. sergant89
    sergant89 April 14 2016 20: 32
    +2
    Quote: Al1977
    Quote: sergant89
    Maybe at least there will be a movie about the Great War. I hope

    What do you mean? Based on historical documents? Good special effects? Patriotic? Or what is the criterion of a good time for WWII?

    I mean: the absence of a "bloody gebny", detachments, drunken and narrow-minded generals, a love-crying story, etc. etc. hi
  49. a housewife
    a housewife April 14 2016 21: 00
    +2
    The most piercing film about that war in my opinion is the Ballad about a soldier.
    1. yastr
      yastr April 15 2016 14: 10
      +2
      At one time I was shocked by the film "Lark". About the strength of the human spirit.
  50. Demeter
    Demeter April 14 2016 23: 14
    0
    Everyone who likes Bandera to deprive of citizenship of the Russian Federation and give 48 hours to get out of Russia won!
    1. Neogumanoyd
      Neogumanoyd April 16 2016 09: 28
      0
      And why do not you offer to hang, or send somewhere working ?? If everyone whose words someone does not like to deprive of citizenship, we will come to a certain result ... We must fight with deeds and not with words or deprivation of citizenship.
    2. Neogumanoyd
      Neogumanoyd April 16 2016 09: 31
      0
      And for you, Channel 1 divided the people on this planet only into Bandera and not Bandera ???