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Reflections from the sunken TCB

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A superstructure sticks out of the water at the pier. Under the water is hidden housing. Place takes. But once it was a good training station, made on the basis of the submarine project 613. Thirty years would have served. Only now, perhaps, tired of enduring inattention to the rescue training from the submariners, she was offended, sad and lay on the bottom ground. Judging by the size of the growths on the hull, along the line of the current waterline, lay down six or seven years ago. But strong metal! It would calm, raise, repair, but let it go! After all, you need to cook submariners. And to raise and repair is in any case cheaper than rebuilding. Especially since it is not difficult to raise it. And the strength and the means for this is - you just need to do. Submariners would work on it the whole complex of their rescue training. After all, everything for this is provided for: diving descents in the SSP and IEDs, training to exit through the torpedo tube, through the rescue hatch, free ascent, exit on the buirepa, landing from the water in the equipment in the liferaft ... faith in your strength is strengthened! Zeal for service is increasing!

But, I think, it will not be enough to have one faith in yourself for successful service in asserting and protecting the interests of the state! He still has faith in the higher command, faith in the power of Russia is needed! Belief that at that difficult hour, when he himself, independently, from his, for one reason or another, was crucified, lost the ability to ascend, and the submarine stationary lying on the bottom of the ground, he would not be able to get out! Be sure to come and save!

The Kursk lesson is a cruel lesson! But the lesson is then given to study the material, understand and draw conclusions. It seems that somewhere there, at the very top, conclusions were made. And the conclusions are correct! To rescue connections fleet new search and rescue equipment began to arrive. In order to at least somehow replace the thoughtlessly destroyed deep-sea diving complexes for the fleet, sets of Canadian normobaric (hard) diving suits with a working depth of 365 meters, remote-controlled underwater vehicles of various modifications, and a new generation of diving equipment were purchased. In fact, by now there has been a complete update of the raid rescue fleet.

Surprising discord on this background seemed accompanied by the continuous scandal of the construction of a new rescue ship of submarines of the 21300 project. Now it became part of the Navy under the name "Igor Belousov." Entered, causing experts mixed feelings. On the one hand - joy! The joy of the fact that the first Russian submarine rescuer with a deep-sea diving complex of saturated dives on board is a fait accompli! However, right after joy, sadness came. Sadness and persistent desire to test the designer for professional fitness!

It is striking that a rescue vessel equipped with a dynamic positioning system and a deep-sea diving complex, carries an autonomous rescue device instead of a rescue bell! Why? After all, thereby saving opportunities are significantly reduced, and the displacement and cost increase! After all, anyone who has ever had to deal with autonomous rescue vehicles knows perfectly well that the simultaneous simultaneous work of divers and habitable underwater vehicles on the submarine hull is prohibited! Not only is impossible! Forbidden and common sense, and governing documents! After all, when the manned underwater vehicle is operating, the carrier vessel should not stand above the work object in order not to create a threat of collision with a possible emergency ascent of the device. When divers work, on the contrary, the vessel is constantly held at a point directly above the object, so that the diving bell is as close as possible to the place of work. In turn, the rescue bell, moving along the guide cable in the elevator mode, does not pose a threat to the divers and allows, and in some cases complements, teamwork. Thus, the designer deliberately slowed down and complicated the work on the maintenance of life and the withdrawal of personnel from the compartments of the LPL.

One of the features of diving descents by the method of saturated dives - long decompression when the diver is brought to the surface. In the event of a fire or other catastrophe on board the vessel, divers are transferred from the diving complex to a pressure chamber docked with it, aboard a special rescue boat - hyperboat, and are decompressed already afloat, leaving the emergency vessel. On the rescue vessel of the project 21300 hyperbot is not provided.

Maybe I misunderstand something, but it seems that even though the hyperboot is not provided for, then a ship accident is foreseen! Indeed, in the hold, under the aft end of the superstructure, there is an oxygen storage consisting of approximately 20 storage tanks with a volume of 400 liters at a pressure of 400 kg / cm2! Fire and explosion safety requirements include the storage of oxygen in a separate, well-ventilated room! After all, the leakage of oxygen from the pipeline fittings, or directly from the seal of the cylinder neck, will sooner or later be anyway! Leakage is an increase in the oxygen concentration in the room. And then enough spark on the packet switch! Spark, but there is no lifeguard! One could understand the designer if this oxygen could not be accommodated anymore! On the rostra, blown by all the winds, lies the same amount, the same cylinders-keepers, but with inert gases! Is that such a veiled call for Lawrence Pavlovich Beria to rise from the grave? Someone really wants to see a sunken submarine with dying submariners and above it - flaming, like a torch, a rescue ship ?! From the forums on the Internet you can see: there are indeed those who want it!

In this case, the position of the press is most surprising. This, to put it mildly, fabulous and unwittingly appearing on the mass of Internet pages, the epic "Kursk-2000", inspired me, a pensioner, creaking my joints, to go to the ship and figure it all out myself. So, no one else! I found out: for some reason, the press criticizes that the rescue ship is really working - a diving complex! But I do not see the lapses listed by me point-blank! So what is this - an order? An order to prevent the development of deep-sea diving in the Navy and in Russia? But the saddest thing is that military acceptance does not see these blunders, the customer does not see them from the Navy!

These are the thoughts that come to mind when I look at the flooded TCF.
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  1. PKK
    PKK April 15 2016 07: 04
    +8
    Only to shrug hands from such sloppiness. The answer can be found by recalling the days of the Great Leader Stalin. In those days, the NKVD would find out all the violations and the perpetrators would go to court of the tribunal. order.
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      1. Leto
        Leto April 15 2016 08: 35
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        remembering the times of the Great Leader Stalin

        Sergey Pavlovich Korolev (1906-1966)

        Date April 12, 1961 speaks enough about him.
        During the interrogation, the investigator kicked him on the head, breaking his jaw in two places, which then grew incorrectly, which is why after the operation the doctors could not intubate him for a long time and the genius of astronautics died.
        1. saveall
          saveall April 15 2016 10: 32
          0
          Eh ... how many more such great people can be remembered. At the Butovo test site alone, about 25 thousand people were officially confirmed to have been shot, with 20765 people. known by name and they were shot from August 8, 1937 to October 19, 1938, i.e. in a little more than a year. Present only! And how many such "Butovo polygons" were there in the country? Someone completely disappeared like Vavilov, and some, having gone through all this hell, still managed to work for the good of our country, like Korolev. For the good of the country! And not at all for the "great" Stalin, and even more so not thanks to him. But because they understood that their country, their people needed them ... They also fought for their people and for the country, because the Russians could not otherwise. But all the Stalinists don't care ...
          1. Idiot
            Idiot April 15 2016 12: 22
            +18
            Fell into a dirty stream. What, gentlemen, is it time to work out the money? The topic is about the shortcomings of a rescue vessel, what does 100500 tortured and raped by the NKVD have to do with it? D..by!
          2. Idiot
            Idiot April 15 2016 12: 22
            +1
            Fell into a dirty stream. What, gentlemen, is it time to work out the money? The topic is about the shortcomings of a rescue vessel, what does 100500 tortured and raped by the NKVD have to do with it? D..by!
          3. washi
            washi April 15 2016 12: 58
            +8
            Quote: saveall
            Eh ... how many more such great people can be remembered. At the Butovo test site alone, about 25 thousand people were officially confirmed to have been shot, with 20765 people. known by name and they were shot from August 8, 1937 to October 19, 1938, i.e. in a little more than a year. Present only! And how many such "Butovo polygons" were there in the country? Someone completely disappeared like Vavilov, and some, having gone through all this hell, still managed to work for the good of our country, like Korolev. For the good of the country! And not at all for the "great" Stalin, and even more so not thanks to him. But because they understood that their country, their people needed them ... They also fought for their people and for the country, because the Russians could not otherwise. But all the Stalinists don't care ...

            Almost all officials are ready to be shot.
            Do you think the situation has changed?
            Before you regret, find out WHAT they were shot.
            Unfortunately, under Khrushchev, a lot of cases were destroyed, instead of inserting the certificate "Rehabilitated"
          4. Ustinov 055 055
            Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 15: 12
            -3
            I don’t know why you have 11 cons swelled up but I agree with you. Stalin is an ambiguous personality, but his crimes are unequivocal this is genocide
          5. Ustinov 055 055
            Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 15: 12
            -1
            I don’t know why you have 11 cons swelled up but I agree with you. Stalin is an ambiguous personality, but his crimes are unequivocal this is genocide
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 28 September 2016 09: 34
              +1
              Who is the genocide? The bombing of Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan is where the genocide is. To give money and weapons to terrorists is the genocide of the Syrians.
              Where in the USSR was a camp similar to Salaspils? Where from the children was pumped out blood.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle April 15 2016 10: 45
          +10
          Quote: Leto
          cosmonautics genius

          Genius, you're right. Wernher von Braun just looked at the royal rocket depicted on a postage stamp and said: "Now I understand why we can only put an orange into orbit, and the Russians a trolleybus."
        3. washi
          washi April 15 2016 12: 55
          +6
          Quote: Leto
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          remembering the times of the Great Leader Stalin

          Sergey Pavlovich Korolev (1906-1966)
          Date April 12, 1961 speaks enough about him.
          During the interrogation, the investigator kicked him on the head, breaking his jaw in two places, which then grew incorrectly, which is why after the operation the doctors could not intubate him for a long time and the genius of astronautics died.

          Those. Chubais for non-targeted spending of state. Means are ready to shoot Everything.
          But Korolev was imprisoned for the same: was Stalin a monster?
          1. Leto
            Leto April 15 2016 14: 06
            -3
            Quote: Vasya
            Those. Chubais for non-targeted spending of state. Means are ready to shoot Everything.
            And Korolev was put for the same

            Who told you such heresy? Aren't you ashamed to write such nasty things?
            1. 30BIS
              30BIS April 17 2016 18: 46
              0
              You do not need to embellish Stalin, but you should not beg his role. The personality is so controversial in the history of our country, and indeed in the history of the whole world. The consequences of his deeds will for a long time emerge in the history of mankind. All these land cuts in Ukraine, Poland, the creation of Israel, etc. .
          2. Ustinov 055 055
            Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 15: 15
            -5
            You have shot my ancestors, you know for what, a girl of 14 years old for 8 rubles of the unpaid cultural tax of the rest is even funnier, the virtual army shoulder straps are crushing you. God forbid we meet the animal, if you were my subordinate T BARP would throw in
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 15 2016 13: 24
          +3
          Quote: Leto
          Sergey Pavlovich Korolev (1906-1966)

          So Korolev just sat down for the economy. More precisely, for squandering state funds for the construction of a rocket, the control system of which, as he knew, could not be developed and manufactured.
          And the SPK with this fell under the campaign to combat the designers-projectors, pulling money from the state budget. Such drinkers were then usually given 58-7 (plus a couple of articles as a political "trailer"):
          58-7. Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation committed for counter-revolutionary purposes by appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or counteracting their normal activities, as well as using state institutions and enterprises or counteracting their activities, committed in interests of former owners or interested capitalist organizations, i.e. industrial sabotage: punishment adic article 58-2

          ICHH, after the revision of the Korolev case under Beria, the "trailer" was removed, but 58-7 were left.
          1. Leto
            Leto April 15 2016 14: 19
            -8
            Quote: Alexey RA
            So Korolev just sat down for the economy. More precisely - for squandering public funds

            Honestly, I don’t know who came up with this muck, but the person who used the first outright bastard. The Queen was imprisoned for KRTD, Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926. has never been economic, it is located in Chapter I. CONTROL - REVOLUTIONARY CRIMES.
            Squandering refers to Chapter III. OFFICIAL (OFFICIAL) CRIMES, Article 116 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 The misappropriation or embezzlement by an official or by a person performing any duties on behalf of a state or public institution of money, valuables or other property under his jurisdiction by virtue of his official position or performance of duties.
            In the verdict Koroleva S.P. Art. 116 no. Participation in the anti-Soviet Trotskyist organization is not a waste of values ​​and property on the creation of rockets!
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 15 2016 15: 35
              +2
              Quote: Leto
              Honestly, I don’t know who came up with this muck, but the person who used the first outright bastard. The Queen was imprisoned for KRTD, Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926. has never been economic, it is located in Chapter I. CONTROL - REVOLUTIONARY CRIMES.
              Squandering refers to Chapter III. OFFICIAL (OFFICIAL) CRIMES, Article 116 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 The misappropriation or embezzlement by an official or by a person performing any duties on behalf of a state or public institution of money, valuables or other property under his jurisdiction by virtue of his official position or performance of duties.
              In the verdict Koroleva S.P. Art. 116 no. Participation in the anti-Soviet Trotskyist organization is not a waste of values ​​and property on the creation of rockets!

              In 1936, he led the development of a powder winged torpedo; knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo — devices with photocells — for controlling the torpedo and aiming it at a target cannot be manufactured by the central wire communication laboratory, Korolev worked hard to develop the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions in order to load the institute with unnecessary work .
              As a result of this test, the four torpedoes built by the Royal showed their complete unsuitability, which caused damage to the state in the amount of 120 rubles and delayed the development of other, more relevant topics.

              That is, there is a criminal distraction of the few designers of defense research institutes in the USSR for the development of an a priori failed project + and the spending of budget money allocated for the country's defense. What is it called? Correctly:
              action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of the workers 'and peasants' councils and ... the governments of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, union and autonomous republics, or undermining or weakening the external security of the USSR and the main economic, political and national gains of the proletarian revolution

              It is precisely so that such cases do not go according to Art. 116 (up to three years), in general article 58 there was article 58-7 - an economic article, which was given, among other things, for "Kurchevshchina".

              Article 116 is "up to three years". Above - only if the persons who committed the act have special powers, as well as the appropriation of especially important state values. In short - a common household waste.
              1. Ustinov 055 055
                Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 15: 18
                -2
                And you are Mr. Virtual Marshal there, thank God there are no such Animals on my Ship
              2. Ustinov 055 055
                Ustinov 055 055 April 18 2016 15: 18
                -3
                And you are Mr. Virtual Marshal there, thank God there are no such Animals on my Ship
            2. puffnutiy
              puffnutiy April 15 2016 16: 58
              0
              Unfortunately, we do not see the entire protocol here. We see only an extract from it. Therefore, it is difficult for me to convict or defend a person only on the basis of only extracts from the minutes without scrolling through the case file.
      2. washi
        washi April 15 2016 12: 53
        -2
        [quote = SWEET_SIXTEEN] [quote = PKK] remembering the times of the Great Leader Stalin
        "He fed the entire planet, but he himself died in prison from hunger."[/ Quote]
        You do not confuse Lysenko and Vavilov.
        Lysenko really had achievements, but there was nothing left of Vavilov except his denunciations
        1. alex86
          alex86 April 15 2016 19: 23
          +1
          Quote: Vasya
          Lysenko really had achievements, but there was nothing left of Vavilov except his denunciations

          Everything is exactly the opposite - you use the Goebbels system - the grosser the lie, the more willingly they will believe in it?
          And by the way, did you try to raise wheat using the Lysenko technology?
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    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 15 2016 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      The answer can be found by recalling the times of the Great Leader Stalin. In those days, the NKVD would have found out all the violations and the perpetrators would have gone to court of the tribunal. New leaders, remembering this turn of affairs, would not regret subordinates and put things in order.

      Blessed is he who believes ...
      The NKVD each year provided a whole bunch of documents about the mess in the fortified areas. Results? The following year, the same violations appeared in the documents.

      Or maybe someone sat down on the case of the surrender of the army of KV sky-ready tanks and the systematic failure of the factory to comply with the army's requirements to eliminate the design and production defects of the tank? Yes, how - the plant director was given the Hero of Socialist Labor.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron April 15 2016 14: 38
      .
      On Kursk, they didn’t specifically let anyone survive, they waited for everyone to die so that no one could tell the true reason for the tragedy !!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 15 2016 14: 56
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        On Kursk, they didn’t specifically let anyone survive, they waited for everyone to die so that no one could tell the true reason for the tragedy !!

        - a strong statement. Confirm with something (except conspiracy theories, dismiss them) - will you be able to?
        1. Megatron
          Megatron April 15 2016 22: 29
          -2
          From your other statements, I see that you are an ardent traveler, a lover of official versions.
          Not by chance an activist of EdRa?

          And now about the boat. Why was foreign aid rejected, with all the necessary equipment, which was immediately offered? Despite the fact that at that moment, with the Westerners, did they not kiss passionately? Why was the same ill-fated first compartment left at the bottom? Was it really necessary to saw it off so that "ends in the water" immediately, instead of a comprehensive survey on the shore.
          All materials, even those not related to weapons systems, are labeled "secret", until the 50th year. And a bunch of the same why. And after all this our Great Helmsman, with a nasty grin, says to the camera - "she drowned."


          Minus. hi
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 15 2016 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: Megatron
            Was it really necessary to saw it off so that "ends in the water" immediately, instead of a comprehensive survey on the shore.

            Have you thought about the consequences if there had been no secrecy? From the very beginning there were two versions - the accident or the US nuclear submarine. Suppose the second option is correct - and? Declare war? In the USSR, incidents of this type were also kept secret. It's ugly, but it's life.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 15 2016 22: 44
            0
            Quote: Megatron
            From your other statements, I see that you are an ardent traveler, official lover

            - not at all. I just don’t like it when simple things are explained by pulling owls on globes (I’m not talking about Kursk specifically, of course, right?) .. Occam’s razor against wink

            Quote: Megatron
            Not by chance an activist of EdRa?

            - I have never been a member of a party .. Under the Soviet Union - in the Communist Party (although they wanted me to go there very much), after that - in no party (according to the principle "naf should be")

            Okay, I’ve been discussed .. now on the case ..

            You see, you yourself answered all your questions:

            Quote: Megatron
            All materials, even those not related to weapons systems, are labeled "secret", until the 50th year

            - everything else - speculation, superstition and obscurantism
            - I definitely won’t live up to the removal of secrecy

            You, IMHO, did not succeed in confirming your submission: "... on Kursk, everyone was killed on purpose ..." "Heap why" is not proof request

            Quote: Megatron
            Minus

            - and what for? belay
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 April 16 2016 06: 17
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            On Kursk, they didn’t specifically let anyone survive, they waited for everyone to die so that no one could tell the true reason for the tragedy !!


            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - a strong statement. Confirm with something (except conspiracy theories, dismiss them) - will you be able to?

            Quote: Megatron
            And now about the boat.

            And then ... why? Why? Why? And I never heard an answer from you! For example, I think that you are gay, but I have no evidence. However, I do not scream at all angles that you are a bugger.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 16 2016 12: 52
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              On Kursk, they didn’t specifically let anyone survive, they waited for everyone to die so that no one could tell the true reason for the tragedy !!

              - pancake, it's not i said.. this Megatron said! laughing
      2. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo April 15 2016 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        On Kursk, they didn’t specifically let anyone survive, they waited for everyone to die so that no one could tell the true reason for the tragedy !!

        Is it that they specifically wanted to kill them all? They saved, but could not save, because in the aft hatch from the explosion a crack formed that did not allow the water to be saved to the rescue unit.
        Who was in the tail compartment and they themselves did not understand everything from what everything and why. From that and a note that we will try to open the hatch, and swim out, without explanation of the cause of the death of the submarine.
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  2. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 15 2016 07: 32
    -5
    So you read about the death of the Komsomolets, and such articles in the Navy are no longer pulled to serve.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 15 2016 09: 51
      +11
      So you read about the death of the Komsomolets, and such articles in the Navy are no longer pulled to serve.
      He served urgent at the Navy in 1991-1993 (surface ships), fulfilled the tasks of saving a man on the water. If you capture everything that was then done on video, it would be nothing.
      In short: with the command "man overboard", the rescue team was sent to the boat to organize rescue from it, during the descent it turned out that the battery on the boat was dead and the engine could not be started.
      The next decision was to lower the boat into the water and arrange rescue from it, the result, when launching, the boat was skewed when launching, and it got confused.
      The third solution was a proposal to get as close to the target as possible, they came so that they went over it on the go, and it did not work to hook it with hooks. For myself, I then concluded that, God forbid, fall overboard.
      PS The man overboard was imitated by a barrel, which the gunners could not destroy during training firing from the AK-630.
      1. washi
        washi April 15 2016 13: 01
        +2
        Quote: Gomunkul
        So you read about the death of the Komsomolets, and such articles in the Navy are no longer pulled to serve.
        He served urgent at the Navy in 1991-1993 (surface ships), fulfilled the tasks of saving a man on the water. If you capture everything that was then done on video, it would be nothing.
        In short: with the command "man overboard", the rescue team was sent to the boat to organize rescue from it, during the descent it turned out that the battery on the boat was dead and the engine could not be started.
        The next decision was to lower the boat into the water and arrange rescue from it, the result, when launching, the boat was skewed when launching, and it got confused.
        The third solution was a proposal to get as close to the target as possible, they came so that they went over it on the go, and it did not work to hook it with hooks. For myself, I then concluded that, God forbid, fall overboard.
        PS The man overboard was imitated by a barrel, which the gunners could not destroy during training firing from the AK-630.

        This is real.
        And it’s good that they managed to work out.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 15 2016 14: 08
          +1
          This is real
          The two that have mined me think differently. Interestingly, they themselves served, or these from the category of sofa experts. laughing
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 15 2016 15: 34
            +1
            Quote: Gomunkul
            The two that have mined me think differently.

            - spit. Saliva. There are a lot of "experts on everything" here who have never understood the topic request

            PS: I have never been a Moreman, but for some reason I believed in the story about the "teachings to save a drowning man." Immediately, practically ..
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul April 15 2016 16: 01
              +2
              Cat man null
              My regards. hi
              I have not yet described everything that happened during the service. laughing
  3. Alceers
    Alceers April 15 2016 07: 34
    +5
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: PKK
    remembering the times of the Great Leader Stalin


    Stalin: There wasn’t such garbage with me, I had another garbage
    [center] [

    "He fed the entire planet, but he himself died in prison from hunger."

    Do not carry liberoid nonsense. The country lacks everything, and this light of yours, in the warm company of its hangers-on, hangs around abroad, shouting at official currency, gaining junk around the shops. Not a single new variety has been bred; the practical benefits of its activities are zero. Shot earlier would have been more useful. Joseph Vissarionych was criminally soft
  4. Alceers
    Alceers April 15 2016 07: 48
    -6
    Strange article. It turns out that the manned vehicle is worse than a bell. What nonsense is this? What about oxygen storage? On the submarine in general, everything is in a constantly locked room. And oxygen and air and fuel. And nothing, they go like that. Ventilation and gas control rule. Regarding what to lift and repair is cheaper than a new weaken. Nonsense too. Call the wizard to repair the old refrigerator immediately understand. And for TCB, this is a project, cut, rollback. Only still in a double copy, for they are also needed for lifting.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 15 2016 08: 23
      +5
      So on the nuclear submarine oxygen is not stored in a closed space because of a good life, but on the ship it was possible to place it outside, as the author pointed out.
      1. Alceers
        Alceers April 15 2016 08: 34
        +3
        The author of his Wishlist and thinkers is trying to set the truth. Not a single doctrine of salvation is now complete without autonomous devices, and underwater robots are no longer working with divers, but without restrictions on depth, decompression, and time of work. In the Stone Age calls here
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn April 15 2016 10: 02
          +3
          And how is this connected with a clearly explosive oxygen compartment? The archaic nature of the author is one thing, but the fact that he pointed to a clear blunder is another.
          1. Alceers
            Alceers April 15 2016 11: 49
            +3
            What a blunder? Do you leave steel cylinders under pressure to rust in the open sea in an aggressive environment? And in our climate, even ice from them should be scraped with a crowbar, no? Are you not a pest half an hour in half with the author?
        2. water
          April 15 2016 19: 04
          +3
          Dear, you are only right that: "Not a single teaching on salvation now can do without autonomous vehicles." But further - alas. After all, robots may and could work with an autonomous rescue underwater vehicle, but they have not yet been invented. And it is dangerous for unmanned remote-controlled underwater vehicles (NTPA) with autonomous ones to work together - it is possible that the propellers of the autonomous vehicle get entangled in the NTPA cable.
          Although the "Stone Age" has long since ended, the diver cannot be completely replaced with an underwater vehicle, somehow it does not work out.
      2. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo April 15 2016 11: 10
        +4
        Quote: cth; fyn
        So on the nuclear submarine oxygen is not stored in a closed space because of a good life, but on the ship it was possible to place it outside, as the author pointed out.

        It is probably better to talk about the degree of ignition of combustible substances in an oxygen atmosphere, accompanied by its high concentration to an explosion, but not always. Ignition itself depends on the number of molecular hits between the oxidizing agent and reducing agent. So, for example, in an air environment, hands stained in oil will not catch fire, but if they are brought to a leaky oxygen cylinder, they may flare up. At the same time, if you strike with a piezo-lighter which has completely run out of gas in a 95% oxygen atmosphere, then you will not experience any kind of fire or explosion due to the absence of a combustible substance. To store cylinders from the outside is probably still worse than indoors, due to the daily temperature difference. 400 atmospheres inside the cylinder and one from the outside, due to the compression-expansion work, will lead to an increase in microcracks that are always in the metal cylinder.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn April 15 2016 13: 49
          0
          Cool, now I understand everything.
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    2. water
      April 15 2016 16: 51
      +4
      A manned rescue vehicle is no better and no worse than a rescue bell. It's just that if you need an additional search for an object, you need a manned rescue vehicle. If additional search is not needed, and the carrier vessel is capable of holding a "point" above the object, a rescue bell is needed.

      For TCB - the rise to the surface is quite within the capabilities of the Navy, as a special training for rescue units. Well, at the expense of "sawing" - let those who "saw" be afraid.
  5. Verdun
    Verdun April 15 2016 10: 28
    +3
    For many leaders, with or without shoulder straps, it doesn’t matter, there are only two opinions, one is his own, the other is wrong. Why listen to the opinions of professionals? This makes it difficult to pursue a career. As for the press, very often journalists write about things that they don’t understand at all. They have a slightly different direction in education and do not always have a desire to delve into the essence of the problem. And thanks for the article. Everything about the case.
  6. Uncle
    Uncle April 15 2016 10: 47
    -1
    The author, and Putin did not try yesterday to ask a question on this topic? I think that the vessel would have been pulled out of the water by its teeth and reported back. No kidding.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 15 2016 11: 27
      +2
      The author, and Putin did not try yesterday to ask a question on this topic? I think that the vessel would have been pulled out of the water by its teeth and reported back. No kidding.
      So, it seems that the construction of this saving ship was already under control:
      On December 25, at the Igor Belousov marine rescuer, the decision on the construction of which was made after the tragedy on the Kursk submarine, they plan to raise the Andreevsky flag and transfer it to the fleet. The ship has already been nicknamed the "guardian angel" of the submariners. However, the Belousov rescuer will not be able to save anyone. The ship was built for so long that there wasn’t enough time for full tests. Nevertheless, industry and interested representatives of the Ministry of Defense are trying to turn in a lifeguard at any cost. This decision almost turned into a disaster. In September 2015, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Chirkov ordered to test the ship at full load and to carry out diving descents to a depth of 450 meters. Such behavior of the commander-in-chief testified either to an inadequate understanding of the situation, or to the willingness to risk the lives of the military for the sake of the uniform. Fortunately, even those who have been reporting all this time about the excellent state of affairs with Igor Belousov unanimously declared: descents to the maximum depth are fraught with the death of divers. Commander Chirkov withdrew his order ...

      In 2013, Sergei Shoigu authorized Novaya Gazeta to track the progress in creating a marine lifeguard. Today, Novaya Gazeta publishes the final report of Elena Milashina, Russia's Minister of Defense.

      Report to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation on the test results of the sea rescuer Igor Belousov

      Dear Sergey Kuzhugetovich!

      As you know, for four years I have been writing about the construction of the necessary marine fleet rescue fleet - the lead ship of project 21300 Igor Belousov. You have done a lot so that I can get adequate information about the construction progress and testing of the ship. As I understand it, this was done not only and not so much to satisfy my professional curiosity. We coincided in the main thing - in the understanding that the theme of salvation in the Navy is of high public importance.


      The full pack: http: //www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/71309.html
      1. water
        April 15 2016 17: 07
        +3
        It seems that all this "tracking" set forth in a series of articles under the general title "Kursk-2000" is caused solely by the attempts of CJSC "Lazurit" to keep the order for the construction of a deep-sea diving complex. But, the order was taken from him and, apparently, they did the right thing. However, something else surprises, it is surprising that the rescue underwater vehicle "Bester" was installed on the rescue vessel contrary to the opinion of its chief designer B. Goldovsky! In his article: "History and current state of rescue systems for submariners" - He clearly writes that installing autonomous rescue vehicles on ships equipped with dynamic positioning systems is less effective than installing a rescue bell !?

        As for testing the diving complex to a depth of 450 meters, it was tested without people. It is clear that further, due to the lack of divers practiced at a given depth, the tests will go as planned along with the divers gaining depth.
  7. kig
    kig April 15 2016 11: 12
    +1
    Yes, damn it, I remember trying to fix a hole on the simulator ... and could not meet the control time.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 15 2016 11: 29
      0
      Yes, damn it, I remember trying to fix a hole on the simulator ... and could not meet the control time.
      We fit into the proper time. yes
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 15 2016 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Gomunkul
        We fit into the proper time.

        laughing Yeah, especially when a little water is brought into the training compartment under 10 atmospheres and the choppies start to fly out of a machine gun ..... such a speed appears in movements!
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 15 2016 14: 21
          +2
          Yeah, especially when a little water is brought into the training compartment under 10 atmospheres and the choppies start to fly out of a machine gun ..... such a speed appears in movements!
          The faster the training hole is repaired, the less water is in the training compartment. Until now, I remember with gratitude the time when we, who were in the rescue team, were driven by practicing all actions until they were automatic. Once, in civilian life, this knowledge came in handy when one "woodpecker" during a smoke break threw a "bull" into a bale of tow, while he was trying to portray a dancer (jumping and trying to extinguish the tow with my feet), I rushed to the nearest box with a fire hose and put out center of ignition. The fleet, after all, a school of life, although there was enough sloppiness in it at that time. He began his service as a specialist, demobilized to civilian life as a squad leader.
          1. water
            April 15 2016 17: 09
            +3
            Well, you see: it’s nice to remember!
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        3. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank April 15 2016 18: 26
          -1
          The only thing that is absolutely not clear is where the 10 atm figure came from! Brad however !! The rest is on the conscience of the author.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 16 2016 06: 47
            +1
            Quote: Starina_Hank
            The only thing that is absolutely not clear where the figure in 10atm came from! Brad however !! The rest is on the conscience of the author

            Starina Vyacheslav, firstly I am not the author, secondly ... the first time in the training compartment the holes are closed for dry and when the shift foreman reports to the instructor that the holes are closed, the instructor (and this is usually an old sea wolf covered in shells) with a lovely smile turns on the pump and so gently starts to turn the little screw on the pressure valve, when the arrow approaches the 10 atm the rotation stops and, again, so intelligently says ... sons, and you are drowning your mother to fix the holes! 10 atmospheres is 100 meters of depth and cold water does not just pour and knocks down, after five minutes the water in the compartment is already waist-high and you don’t want to, but you will fulfill the standards because it is impossible to get out of the compartment due to the same nice instructor standing at the gangway. These were training in the name of saving lives hi
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul April 16 2016 07: 45
              +2
              and you will fulfill the standards because it’s impossible to get out of the compartment because of the same lovely instructor standing at the gangway.
              They simply closed the door to the compartment behind us, then you involuntarily start running around. yes
              for the first time in the training compartment, holes are sealed to dry
              I don’t know how others have, right away the first time we have water and explosions.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 16 2016 07: 55
                +1
                Quote: Gomunkul
                They simply closed the door to the compartment behind us, then you involuntarily start running around.

                laughing To each his own!
        4. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank April 15 2016 18: 26
          0
          The only thing that is absolutely not clear is where the 10 atm figure came from! Brad however !! The rest is on the conscience of the author.
          1. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul April 15 2016 18: 52
            +1
            The only thing that is absolutely not clear is where the 10 atm figure came from!
            Well, maybe not a lot of people have lied, with whom it does not happen. In the training compartment, when water begins to gush from different sides, how many atm can be determined. gave. When we were "run in" in it, they also made imitation of explosions before water was supplied. smile
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank April 15 2016 20: 16
              0
              This figure, however, was not taken from an empty head, but determined by the leading "documents", excuse me, if anyone did not know!
            2. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank April 15 2016 20: 16
              0
              This figure, however, was not taken from an empty head, but determined by the leading "documents", excuse me, if anyone did not know!
  8. sub307
    sub307 April 15 2016 11: 30
    +1
    I completely agree with the author ..., really, sadly done.
  9. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 April 15 2016 11: 41
    +6
    Honestly I read the article in the morning and decided not to comment, but could not stand the zealous. The author apparently does not know what the vessel is designed according to the technical conditions (placement of equipment and supplies, requirements for fire and explosion safety, unsinkability, stability, etc.), he also does not suspect of explosion-proof equipment, ventilation, fire extinguishing and control systems.
    As for the rescue apparatus and the rest, the ACC specialists apparently do not understand anything either ... Just like modern historians: "the chronicler (read the eyewitness) was wrong !!!". Oh well.
    The ship is generally an object of increased technical complexity and danger.
    It sometimes surprises me how many specialists we have in the most diverse fields of marine knowledge.
    1. Mister22408
      Mister22408 April 15 2016 12: 35
      0
      A good underwater vehicle - CANADIAN. It, apparently, was not designed according to TU, but according to TK.
      I hope the ventilation systems of the compartment with oxygen cylinders have non-oxidizable ventilation ducts and chemically inert fans with sparkless engines. Of particular pleasure is the presence of a ship system for extinguishing fires in an oxygen environment ... After all, it stands there, right? repeat
      1. water
        April 15 2016 17: 45
        +2
        Oxygen cylinders of this device are made for a durable case. The atmosphere in it is airy. The oxygen concentration in the 21% region is maintained due to its metered supply through the nozzle, and an air purifier, a fan that drives air through a chemical absorber, are used to remove carbon dioxide.
        1. Mister22408
          Mister22408 April 15 2016 21: 12
          0
          Sorry, kaneshno, I wrote about the rescue vessel with O2 cylinders (400 Kg) in the compartment ... And the CO2 absorber - KhPI, or also imported? :-)
          1. water
            April 15 2016 23: 00
            +2
            Perhaps, it’s also HP-I. But sifting and blowing for too long is necessary, and in terms of saturation, it is inferior to the soda. Sodolin - from behind the hill.
    2. Samen
      Samen April 15 2016 14: 05
      +1
      It sometimes surprises me how many specialists we have in the most diverse fields of marine knowledge.

      Gee! And every second is a commentator. Every third is a writer))):
      along the existing waterline
  10. fortunattto
    fortunattto April 15 2016 13: 10
    0
    What is it and where is it? recourse
  11. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 15 2016 14: 33
    +3
    It is striking that a rescue vessel equipped with a dynamic positioning system and a deep-sea diving complex carries on its board an autonomous rescue device instead of a rescue bell!

    Hmm ... so it seems that there is a diving bell on "Yuri Belousov":
    GVK-450 consists of several main elements:
    pressure chambers,
    diving bell with a hoisting device (SPU),
    pressure chamber control post
    downhill control post,
    high pressure compressors and gas (air) storage tanks;
    life support system (including units, installations, etc.)

    Above the pressure chambers, in a special boathouse, there is a diving bell and its SPU, standing on a special rail-suspension and winch of the guide cables of the load-anchor and the bell itself, as well as a winch of the bell-cable-hose bundle. The diving bell is lowered and raised through a through shaft in the ship's hull. The shaft is protected by the hull of the vessel from the effects of outboard waves and therefore the bell can lower and rise even in stormy conditions.

    Before starting work, divers are placed in residential compartments of the pressure chambers, after which, according to a special regime, pressure rises in the compartments of the pressure chambers, i.e. compression is performed. After reaching the set pressure parameters and adapting the divers to the environmental parameters, you can begin deep-sea work. A working group of three divers goes into the receiving-outlet pressure chamber, puts on equipment and then goes into a tight-fitting connection to the receiving and output pressure chamber and filled with breathing mixture under the same pressure and the same composition as in the compartments of the BC, a diving bell.

    After the divers are placed in the diving bell, the hatches of the bell and the receiving-exit pressure chamber are closed, and the bell is undocked. The launching device transfers it to the through shaft, cutting through the hull of the vessel through and through the shaft, lowers the bell into the water.

    1. water
      April 15 2016 16: 13
      +5
      A diving bell is used to deliver divers to the depth, to the object of work. And the rescue bell is for taking the submariners out of the sunken submarine. Now in the Navy there is only one rescuer who has on board the rescue bell SS EPRON of the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 15 2016 16: 38
        0
        Quote: watermark
        A diving bell is used to deliver divers to the depth, to the object of work. And the rescue bell is for taking the submariners out of the sunken submarine. Now in the Navy there is only one rescuer who has on board the rescue bell SS EPRON of the Black Sea Fleet.

        Thanks for clarifying.
        That is, the divers at depth work from a diving bell, and the evacuation of the crew is carried out by the Bester, which is connected to the same GVK-450 pressure chamber.

        By the way, what is the capacity rescue bells? Because "Bester" takes 1 people for 22 flight.

        One more thing:
        The existing old devices are sucked in with a roll of up to 15 degrees, the rescue bell is up to 30, but the Bester-1 rescue apparatus built, which is currently located in Nizhny Novgorod, where it imitates deep-sea immersion in the dock chamber, has a special device, allowing you to stick to a submarine with a roll or trim up to 45 degrees.
        1. water
          April 15 2016 17: 26
          +2
          The autonomous rescue apparatus is a self-propelled rescue bell. The cost of the Bester, together with its launching device, is six times higher than the corresponding cost of the rescue bell.
          Depending on the hydrology and state of the battery, the rescue device is able to make one flight per object in 10-18 hours and take out 20 people. The rescue bell, under the same conditions, makes one flight per object in 1,5 -2 hours, removing people by 8. The fact is that the rescue bell moves along the guide cable and does not waste time searching for the object and approaching the coaming site.
          As for the angles of inclination to the horizon, the suction chamber installed on the "Bester" can be successfully rearranged to the rescue bell.
  12. cedar
    cedar April 15 2016 16: 17
    +2
    And why on such a modern lifeguard it was impossible to install both the bell and the rescue apparatus, would they complement each other? Indeed, in Kursk, the device saved it and could not sit on the coaming of the hatch because of the roll or trim of the boat (I don’t remember exactly), despite numerous attempts (specify who remembers).
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 15 2016 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      And why on such a modern lifeguard it was impossible to install both the bell and the rescue apparatus, would they complement each other? Indeed, in Kursk, the device saved it and could not sit on the coaming of the hatch because of the roll or trim of the boat (I don’t remember exactly), despite numerous attempts (specify who remembers).

      On "Belousov" there is a diving bell to ensure the work of divers at depth + a rescue apparatus for evacuation of the submarine crew.

      A possible reason for replacing the rescue bell with a rescue apparatus is that the rescue bell allows docking at a bank angle of up to 30 degrees, and the Bester - up to 45.
  13. doework
    doework April 15 2016 16: 19
    +1
    This photo is not only TCB ... This is a generalized photo of our country!
  14. cedar
    cedar April 15 2016 16: 30
    +1
    Quote: doework
    This photo is not only TCB ... This is a generalized photo of our country!


    Not yet evening..!
  15. AAV
    AAV April 15 2016 17: 15
    0
    I wonder where this photo was taken?
    Such a TCB (naturally in working condition) in the early 80s stood in the Catherine harbor in the Arctic.

    By the way, sometime before 1981 or 1982, the Luninskaya K-21 was used as a TCB in Polyarny. By the 50th anniversary of the KSF, it was repaired and in 1983 in Severomorsk it was already a museum.
    1. Alceers
      Alceers April 15 2016 22: 25
      0
      Sevastopol is similar. In the South Bay, this was
  16. stonks
    stonks April 15 2016 18: 21
    +3
    To the author - respect.
    Rescue specialists, albeit retired, have to beat all the bells, go all the way to the top, but change everything else that can be done in this lifeguard.
  17. VladimS
    VladimS April 16 2016 04: 18
    0
    Quote: saveall
    Someone completely uttered as Vavilov, and some, having gone through all this hell, still managed to work for the good of our country, like Korolev.

    Speaking of Vavilov.
    Recently there was material, I won’t tell you exactly where I saw it, which made me personally with completely different eyes to look at all the issues related to it one way or another with him, Vavilov. From the word at all!
  18. strare
    strare April 23 2016 22: 33
    0
    Quote: Ustinov 055 055
    You’ve shot my ancestors shot you know why, a girl of 14 years old for 8 rubles of an unpaid cultural tax


    Most likely, Stalin ate it personally. Under the suneli and adjika.

    Present at least one scan of any document to confirm your words. Otherwise, I declare responsibly that your cousin surrendered in 1941 near Yelnya, and, being a homosexual, for three years satisfied anally the chief of the Gomel Gestapo.

    If you have no evidence, I declare you a liar. You, Ustinov, are a liar, most likely because of your own stupidity. Because of such idiots as you, our history is slandered more than the history of any country.

    A 14-year-old girl was shot for non-payment ... This must be invented! Reference!