Settlement in Nagorno-Karabakh: expert opinions

12 in April in the press center of the “Parliamentary newspaper” was held a round table discussion “The dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh. How long will the truce last? ”The discussion dealt with a number of topics: the evolution of the conflict resolution situation; the effects of conflict on economic ties; Russia's role in resolving the conflict. Experts agreed that the “unfrozen” conflict was not beneficial to Azerbaijan, Armenia or, of course, Russia. But Turkey and the United States have their own interests in the “hot” conflict.

The following persons participated in the round table: First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship, Mikhail Yemelyanov; deputy director of the Institute of CIS countries, political scientist Vladimir Zharikhin; Director General of the EurAsEC Institute, political scientist, philosopher Vladimir Lepyohin, etc.

The active military stage of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh will harm all of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Russia, and Turkey. Who is it profitable? USA! Washington is the only beneficiary, says First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship, Mikhail Yemelyanov.

“The political settlement of the Karabakh conflict is vital for Russia, because for us there is nothing more dangerous than the conflict in the post-Soviet space. Naturally, the revitalization in the region will involve Turkey in this war. It is not beneficial to anyone. It is obvious that the United States are the only beneficiaries of the conflict, "- quotes the chairman of the Duma committee Parliamentary Newspaper.

According to him, after the implementation of the scenario in Ukraine, it became clear that the White House will try to destabilize the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. “It is clear that Armenia is our ally in economic association, and Azerbaijan is our partner, who has repeatedly supported Moscow,” the expert said. “For example, in PACE on the Ukrainian issue, so Moscow does not need this conflict.”

According to an expert who leads "Reedus"Washington is unhappy with the current (too independent) leadership of Azerbaijan. That is why earlier attempts have been repeatedly made to arrange a “Maidan” in Baku (without success). Irritating America and the behavior of Turkish President Erdogan. His imperial ambitions set Washington against Ankara. The White House does not need it as a powerful regional power. US relations with Russia almost returned to the Cold War. In this situation, Armenia is hostage to its close ties with Moscow.

However, other participants of the round table tend not to give the main initiative to the United States, but to Turkey.

As the director of the Russian Institute for Foreign Studies, Sergey Panteleev, recalled, not a single power, except her, responded positively to the outbreak of violence. According to the expert, not one Erdogan preaches the idea of ​​a new Ottoman Empire. The main ideologue of neo-Ottomanism is the Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. And then there's the quarrel with Russia.

Vladimir Lepyokhin, Director General of the EurAsEC Institute, believes that the quarrel between Turkey and Russia was not accidental, and the downed Su-24 is an element of purposeful policy. In his opinion, one should not underestimate Turkey, which is gradually turning into a strong player claiming to be the regional leader, seeking even to oust Saudi Arabia from this place.

The expert is confident that for the realization of the goals Ankara uses a multi-way combination: it works out various mechanisms for controlling the Kurds and the IG and at the same time seizing foreign territories (Syria). In addition, Turkey is trying to rein in Armenia, to bind Azerbaijan to itself, to negotiate with Iran, and at the same time show the teeth of the United States and Russia. Europe, too, is beginning to dictate terms. Finally, Ankara seeks to spread its influence over the countries of the post-Soviet space with the Turkic population.

What to do in such a difficult situation?

As Vladimir Lepyokhin noted in the press center "Parliamentary newspaper", regional cooperation will help reduce tension in Nagorno-Karabakh.

The implementation of the “three plus three” format, which would be attended by the major players in the region, could push Baku and Yerevan into dialogue: “The solution to the conflict is to create a“ three plus three ”format, where the first group of countries is Azerbaijan, Turkey and Kazakhstan, the second is Russia, Armenia and Iran.

According to the expert, the countries could ensure compliance with the agreements, and regional cooperation “would push Baku and Yerevan to start a dialogue on the future of the region.” The political scientist recalled that the position of Russia is precisely in the development of regional unions.

It cannot be said that the idea of ​​the “three plus three” format drew approval from the experts. “The format does not include the participation of France, most likely, Armenia will not agree to this,” Mikhail Yemelyanov said at the round table. - In addition, the scheme does not provide for the participation of the United States. We may not invite them, but it is obvious that the influence of Americans on the region is enormous. ”

Separately, the Director of the Institute for Political Studies, Sergey Markov, who also visited the press center, spoke on the prospects for resolving the conflict. "Parliamentary newspaper".

In his opinion, now there are all the prerequisites for a partial diplomatic resolution of the Karabakh conflict: Armenia and Azerbaijan have the possibility of a temporary compromise.

As noted by Markov, a partial resolution of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is possible through the implementation of the Kazan formula, developed with the assistance of Dmitry Medvedev.

“The essence of the formula,” quotes its publication, “is that Azerbaijan receives five of the seven regions around Karabakh. Armenia receives including the demilitarization of the regions, the introduction of peacekeepers at the border, which to a large extent guarantees peace. In addition, Armenia will be unblocked by Azerbaijan. ”

The expert noted that this alignment suits most of the participants in the conflict. And you can start implementing the scenario as soon as possible: “The implementation of such a scenario can be started in a couple of weeks.”

On the theme of Nagorno-Karabakh, 12 of April was expressed by the OSCE troika.

The “troika” mentioned includes the country chairing the OSCE and the chairs of the past and next year. Now the organization is chaired by Germany, in 2015, Serbia was the chairman, and in 2017, Austria will be.

In addition to the "troechnik", the event was attended by OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier.

Meeting participants, reports RIA News", called on the parties to the conflict to “stop the violence and stick to the truce regime”, and also stressed that “there is no military solution to the conflict”.

Recall the conflict wick in Nagorno-Karabakh was set on fire by Mikhail S. Gorbachev in February 1988: it was at that time that the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region announced its withdrawal from the Azerbaijan SSR. Later, in 1991, the establishment of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was announced in Stepanakert. During the military conflict, Azerbaijan lost control over the region.

Negotiations on the peaceful settlement of the conflict in the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group have been going on for many years, starting with 1992. At the same time, the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not a party to international negotiations. Azerbaijan, which insists on preserving its territorial integrity, and Armenia, which defends the interests of the unrecognized republic, cannot come to an agreement.

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Comments

[oldav]

So what did the Azerbaijanis achieve? Territories for example, what is the result of the massacre?

[volodya]

The result is very simple, America is fueling, we are putting out! To light one match, you need to put out a lot of money!

[Error]

I agree and therefore it’s necessary not only to stew but to play Turkish Tetori, for example, with the same Kurds, and when it will fade so that at the time to introduce martial law they themselves will resort to us !!! And apologies and compaction for the hacked su24 will be even more so and they will pay for the operation in Syria !!

[xasharat]

Arsonists? I’m ready to cut my head off that they are hiding their real feelings for the Kremlin.

This video is called biting a nursing hand.

[Erg]

Let these Tekhdebilov Turks cut. Do not feel sorry for them. And the real Armenians are our brothers!

[co-creator]

Quote: Erg

. And the real Armenians are our brothers!

They are all like that. Maybe 10% are normal and that's it.

[xasharat]

I don’t understand whom you are defending, yesterday the rallies were held in Armenia, they call you invaders and say they’re out of Armenia.
There are not a couple of people, but a whole people.

[kashtak]

Quote: xasharat

There are not a couple of people, but a whole people.

protesters professionally cover the lens with a banner. but you can still see that at the rally no more than two or three dozen people. rather less. and this is not the whole nation. If you want to be convincing, give a footnote at least for a opinion poll.

[xasharat]

Please do not lie.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And where is the protest against Russia? Protesters demand sanctions against Azerbaijan for starting hostilities against Nagorno-Karabakh ... That they are dissatisfied with the supply of weapons is understandable, but Azerbaijan is not under sanctions and, moreover, Armenia itself receives weapons no less than under more favorable and favorable conditions .. And in the event of an aggravation of the conflict, Russia, I think, will provide appropriate support to Armenia, as always, free of charge ... Why do not they protest against the supply of Israeli weapons to Azerbaijan, especially given that the Armenian tanks were hit precisely by Israeli Spikes? Or against Turkish arms supplies to Azerbaijan? It must be understood that Russia cannot pump weapons into Armenia, and at the same time prohibit its companies from selling weapons to Azerbaijan ... Russia is trying to maintain neutrality in this conflict ... If Russia clearly takes a pro-Armenian position, it will instantly receive ISIS fighters and weapons through Azerbaijan to the territory of Russia ... It is still present, but after that it will reach the state level, which will increase these flows by multiple ... It is unlikely that later these problems will be helped by the Armenians in Russia ... The most correct thing that Armenians can and should do and Azerbaijanis - this is not to fight, it is in the interests of Russia, and the war is beneficial only to the enemies of Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan - Turkey and the United States ... Turkey wants to extend its influence to Azerbaijan, and the United States is creating another war near the borders of Russia ...

[Bakht]

There is no transit of ISIS fighters through the territory of Azerbaijan. With the same success, one can talk about the transit of ISIS militants through the territory of the Russian Federation to Norway.

Armenia has already expressed protest to Russia and Israel over arms supplies to Azerbaijan. But this is all the talk of diplomats. The arms trade is the second most profitable post-drug business. For the bucks. And if Azerbaijan fully pays for everything with the currency so needed by the Russian Federation, then this trickle of currency can stop. And not the mythical militants of ISIS.

[Butchcassidy]

Yes, of course not))) In open sources, you can easily find data on both the number and the number of already killed IS fighters - immigrants from Az.R.

Azerbaijan has a long history of relations with international Islamic terrorism - starting from G. Aliyev, who attracted Afghan militants from the Gulbaddin Hekmatyar group and all kinds of trash like Basayev for the war in N. Karabakh, and a fax that ordered the bombing of the US embassy in Nairobi. Al-Qaeda’s local cell from Baku, and ending with the current IS terrorists.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: ButchCassidy

In open sources, you can easily find data on both the number and the number of already killed IS fighters - immigrants from Az.R.

Of course, I apologize, but the majority of the population of Azerbaijan professes Shiite Islam, like Iran. Caliphists consider them to be the first heretics - how can they even accept them in their ranks

[Butchcassidy]

You are right - Shiite Islam is traditional for the region, however, in Az.R. in view of the difficult social situation, a rather serious radicalization of the population is underway, and Wahhabism / Salafism is being taken to a radical-Sunni sense that is not traditional for the region.

Specialists in the region and orientalists have been writing about this for a long time.

Not so long ago, an Azerbaijani was detained in Moscow - the owner of a car service under the article "financing terrorism": he was collecting money for IS.

[Bakht]

A difficult situation is everywhere in the world. Sunnis enter Azerbaijan not so much through ISIS, but through Turkey. And the difficult situation, if it has an impact, but not so great. The appeal of Turkey as a secular state is much stronger. But that was before Erdogan came to power. Now in Azerbaijan they try not to give development to Turkish lyceums. Their activities are very limited.

[Bakht]

Here, many have such a wild mixture that you don’t already know how to talk. ISIS cuts Shiites worse than Christians. Christians are enemies to them, and Shiites are apostates and traitors. ISIL includes immigrants from Azerbaijan, as well as from Russia. But mix Shiites and ISIS ??? These are the same ISIS people who blew up the grave of the Azerbaijani poet I. Nasimi in Aleppo. Nasimi wrote in three languages ​​(Persian, Arabic and Azerbaijani). But Iranian researchers call him an Azerbaijani poet.

http://news.day.az/society/470775.html

[HERMES]

Quote: Bakht

These are the same ISIS people who blew up the grave of the Azerbaijani poet I. Nasimi in Aleppo. Nasimi wrote in three languages ​​(Persian, Arabic and Azerbaijani). But Iranian researchers call him an Azerbaijani poet.

Yes, these jackals wanted to spit who is our Nasimi ... they want 77 virgins ... nothing ... we will arrange them virgins with strapons.

[HERMES]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Yes, of course not))) In open sources, you can easily find data on both the number and the number of already killed IS fighters - immigrants from Az.R.

If you knew how we feel about them ... you know how Chechens and Dagestanis feel about homosexuals (this time I’ll write politically correct)? Our people also belong to these traitors. We have occupied 20% of the land ... and these @ #% ! 4 in Syria are fighting for the caliphate. Our operatives have already caught a hundred of these ub @ dkov. They are running back, the smell of fried ones.

[Bakht]

Is this the same Basayev who was attracted by Russian special services for the war in Abkhazia? Well, the mess in my head ... With what side G. Aliyev could attract fighters for the war in Karabakh if ​​the same G. Aliyev stopped the war in Nakhichevan.

You first learn the primer.

[Butchcassidy]

Yes, you are right - H. Aliyev really concluded a separate peace with Armenia, he did not stop the war in Nakhichevan, he did not start it. However, this cunning fox pursued purely his own goals - if he did not succeed in taking power in Baku, he had everything to make himself a "separate kingdom" in Nakhichevan. For this, he established relations with Suleiman Demirel.
In addition, the issue of military operations in Nakhichevan by Armenia could be resolved quite quickly, given the exclusivity of the exclave, but in this case, Turkey and Russia could directly intervene, given the status of Nakhichevan.

But fate decreed otherwise and G. Aliyev - "the father of the nation" - came to power in Baku, and then the group of G. Hekmatyar and other "mujahideen" had to be involved.

[garnik64]

There was a protest to Israel. They offer the same weapons to the Armenians. They can be anything. And Russia is a natural, geopolitical and CSTO ally. I think if Armenia helped Ukraine with arms, Russia would not be silent.

[Turkir]

Armenia recognized the accession of Crimea to Russia? Something did not hear about it.
NRP - already recognized by Armenia? Or did Armenia declare war on Azerbaijan?
Did I miss something?
So far, the assistance to Armenia is provided by the Russian Federation.
But, of course, you know nothing about it.

[Muvka]

Quote: xasharat

Please do not lie.

There is not a single poster in your video with the requirements that you voiced. Balabol.

[pig killer]

He has trouble with the English language. Or thinks that this trouble is with us.

[Berserks]

You at least read what is written on the posters, but I with my terrible English could

[xasharat]

Kashtak, I’m ready to show you not only rallies, but a thousand screenshots of how you call Russian names.
Should I start? Either you stop lying or I start to put the video.

[kashtak]

Quote: xasharat

Either you stop lying or I start to put the video.

I didn’t start lying. on the photo posted several people are visible, no more. The video uploaded later (thanks for the info) talks about 500 participants. but not a word is said about the Russian occupation. there are complaints about the sale of weapons. I will be grateful for additional information that will help to understand the situation. enough footnotes. By the way, the conflict is old, but neither Baku nor Yerevan can boast of success in the settlement, or am I lying again? Yes, and I'm Russian. and you and the Armenians can’t agree, is Russia to blame? why don't you go to the CIS structures? sovereignty more expensive? or do you hope that the OSCE will support you? so how are you doing? enough already. both you and the Armenians have obligations under the CIS and not the United States, or I'm wrong. who is the chairman now? Kyrgyzstan? call intermediaries and sit down for negotiations. and don't grab a weapon. and so the situation is tense.

[xasharat]

Because the author is Armenians.
You post the video how the parents with the coffins came to Yerevan and what they shouted.
You used to say dozens. Now it’s already 500. If you give me time, I will still show.
From the mobile I.

[xasharat]

Hold on to a more detailed video.

[garnik64]

There were about a hundred people at the rally. And what was to be expected? The sale of military equipment to the enemy, your military ally. Is that how? As for transparency, this is a provocation. The vast majority do not, to put it mildly, support it.
Arms deliveries to Armenia from Russia began. They were probably right when the Russian authorities said that the sale of arms to Azerbaijan is possible only with no use in Artsakh, but ....

[xasharat]

Watch the video and count how many people are there.

[kashtak]

calmer dear xasharat calmer. in the video you quoted, they say about arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, no more. than to prove anti-Russian sentiment in Yerevan is better let's discuss how to find a way out of the situation. as I understand it, neither you nor the Armenians need me. By the way, why do you think the poster you quoted is not in Russian or Armenian, but in English? mutual ultimatums are not a good start to negotiations. can you first determine exactly who started shooting? IMHO, arbitration is necessary for such conflicts within the CIS, but are you ready to accept the decision of who and what should recognize and which territory belongs to whom. there will be no rallies on interference in internal affairs?

[co-creator]

Quote: garnik64

Selling military equipment to the enemy, your military ally. How's that? As for transparency, this is a provocation. The vast majority, to put it mildly, do not support

Such demonstrations can only be if propaganda comes from the media, and this depends on the authorities.

Quote: garnik64

The supply of weapons to Armenia from Russia began.

And before that, where did you get the weapons and spare parts for them? What did you do? Have you paid us at least one dollar for a weapon?

Once again I am convinced of the ingratitude of the Armenians, it is not in vain that all the neighbors do not like you in any country in the world. I hope Putin seizes the moment and collapses our bases.

[garnik64]

It’s paid for everything, which is not transferred free of charge. Only when Russian troops withdrew from Akhalkalaki did part of the armament be transferred to Armenia.
You will not find a more grateful and devoted people like Armenians. Look at the map and you will see that you have 2 Christian states in your friends, and that then. The West is to blame, perhaps. You think you have no complaints from neighboring countries, you are mistaken. In the Caucasus, you have two friends, Ossetia and Armenia, that’s why they hate them. There was Georgia, but alas ... I wanted you to be in fact RUSSIAN.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Russia defends its interests in Armenia, too ... Russia is primarily interested in peace in the Caucasus ... Where would Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh be without Russian help? And a small crowd of activists - a herd of fools, because of their stupidity or for the sake of money, went to a rally ... Judging by the photographs, mostly young people ... who don’t even know what the Karabakh conflict that began in the USSR with the fact that the Armenians were expelled from They killed Azerbaijan and don’t even understand what the war for Nagorno-Karabakh is, where 20 Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh and 000 volunteers from Armenia themselves opposed, besides 8000 Azerbaijanis, Turkish cadre officers and volunteers, fighters from Chechnya Raduev, Basayev with detachments, UNA-UNSO militants and even the Afghan Taliban and mercenaries from the former Soviet army! And that the actual independence of Nagorno-Karabakh and peace would not have been possible without Russia ...

[Butchcassidy]

The facts in your post are correct, the conclusions are completely wrong. The independence of Stepanakert is not thanks to Russia, but in spite of - read about the official participation of Shamanov (the current head of the RF Airborne Forces) in the war on the side of Baku. Russian paratroopers actually broke into the defense of Stepanakert, which was held by yesterday's teachers and doctors, but this tactical success of Baku did not turn into a strategic one. Therefore, the conclusions about "thanks to Russia" are at least puzzling.

[Stavros]

Enough to lie, that didn’t fight. With what then Shamanov’s shirts on a tunic in Azerbaijan’s medals.
But labels to hang and call the whole nation a creature does not do you honor.

[co-creator]

Quote: Stavros

Enough to lie, that didn’t fight. With what then Shamanov’s shirts on a tunic in Azerbaijan’s medals.

Where am I lying? What would get to Stepanakert had to fight with the Armenian militia, but how else? After the airborne forces began to advance deep into the NK, the Armenians agreed to release the explosives, but without a heavy. weapons. They were taken out along an old abandoned road. After that, the Airborne Forces no longer participated in the conflict. There was a task and it was fulfilled, well, the fact that the operation played into the hands of Azerbaijanis, the Armenians should have blamed the explosives immediately.

Everything is in order with honor. It is not the Russians who speak of the brotherhood that we are Christians, and then they just throw eggs at the embassy and still hold our military hostages in the NK. Here our soldier killed a whole family in Armenia and tens of thousands of Armenians took to the streets with the slogans to expel all Russians, give him to the mercy of the crowd, etc. How many Russians are killed by Armenians in Russia? Why don't Russians blame all Armenians for this? So don’t touch my honor.

[Stavros]

There are plenty of creatures and scum in any nation. I repeat to you, look at the Shamanov’s Azerbaijani awards.

[Bakht]

What awards did Shamanov receive from Azerbaijan? I don’t know a single one. Enlighten.

[Kenneth]

Wikipedia is silent on this topic. Where did you get the information

[Butchcassidy]

Listen, well, write funny things - at least read something on Wikipedia))) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/A summer_offensive_Azerbaijan_ troops_(1992)

Read about the "cleanup" here: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ring_(1991)

More than 20 Armenian villages were deported.

As you can see, the information is exactly the opposite of what you write.

[Svetlana]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The facts in your post are correct, the conclusions are completely incorrect.

Where did you fall from on the territory of the Russian Federation? Or just born yesterday? I am shocked by your findings. I thought that only in Ukropia could such a thing be written.

[Butchcassidy]

What specifically confuses something? Or just interested in my origin?))

[midivan]

Quote: xasharat

I don’t understand whom you are defending, yesterday the rallies were held in Armenia, they call you invaders and say they’re out of Armenia.
There are not a couple of people, but a whole people.

very funny picture It’s interesting, but they didn’t think that if we get up and say the Armenians out of Russia, will the Armenians fit in their homeland?

[Svetlana]

These are dumb threesome students. In politics, it’s a complete zero, but in order to earn money on a new tablet, they will go to any rallies and with any banners, without even reading what is written on them.

[midivan]

Quote: Svetlana

These are dumb threesome students. In politics, it’s a complete zero, but in order to earn money on a new tablet, they will go to any rallies and with any banners, without even reading what is written on them.

that is, they are children ??? well, they’re stupid, but what about their parents, neighbors and the older generation?

[the finish]

But the main ally - Lukashenko, is kissing in Turkey today, on a yacht, with Erdogan at the summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. What side is he there?

[the finish]

But what happened today in Istanbul where Lukashenko was also present.
Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev thanked the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) for the decision to create a contact group at the level of foreign ministers on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
“The Armenian occupiers periodically carry out armed provocations to break the negotiation process. One of them was committed in early April. As a result of the armed attack, Azerbaijani military and civilians were killed. The Azerbaijani army stopped the provocation of Armenia, ”Aliyev said, speaking at the XNUMXth OIC summit in Istanbul, Anadolu reports.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in turn, noted that an important indicator of the international influence of the OIC is a contribution to "The liberation of the occupied Palestinian territories, Nagorno-Karabakh and the Crimea." “Each of us should strive for joint defense of borders. They should also adhere to a common position against attempts to split the Islamic world, to protect, within the framework of international law, the territorial integrity of all Islamic countries and the entire Islamic world, ”Davutoglu said.

[the finish]

So far, 70 victims have been confirmed by Armenia and 95 by Azerbaijan.

[xasharat]

Finish
Well, stop lying ahhh. I will give you 99 names of Armenians. You will find at least one living person, I will change my name. Wait, I'll write you all.

In photo 99, this is a list of 2 days ago.

Write a mail, I will send you the whole list

[the finish]

Here is a list of Azerbaijani
http://razm.info/ru/8393

[garnik64]

About 80 people were recognized dead, they may still be. Azerbaijan is silent. About 4 days at least 2 planes with corpses of special forces of Turkey, ISIS and wolf cubs flew out from Azerbaijan. They also did not hinder to calculate. As a result, the Azerbaijani forces had one altitude. Yes, detachments from ISIS fighters were used on the Martuni front. Brothers gathered.

[kamikaze]

these people died defending their homeland from aggression and these who went to the rally defending the interests of the aggressor and Turkish daishov

[Berserks]

But doesn’t it bother you that the list of Armenian victims is in Azerbaijani? Where does Azerbaijan get accurate information about exactly the names of the killed Armenian soldiers? Is this an obvious game for the public by the authorities, just don’t understand, or don’t want to understand?

[Bakht]

There are not only accurate data, but also places and dates of birth. Scans of captured documents are on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. Most were called up in Armenia and it’s only related to Karabakh that they didn’t die in Armenia. For the simple reason that the NKR army is a myth.

[xasharat]

Plus, do not forget that we are the attacking side and 25 years of engineering work, our army blown up overnight.

[xasharat]

The result of the slaughter.

Heights taken. 200 killed occupants and more than 600 disabled.
Trophies with us. And much more.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The burnt truck, several PCs and grenade launchers of unknown origin are not great trophies ... Occupied the heights - yes ... Was it worth it? They lost people and equipment and multiplied anti-Azerbaijani sentiments in Armenia ... They destroyed the engineering structures that were built for 25 years ?! So you say as if there was a Maginot line, several trenches and rooms to hide from rain and cold, and that's all the structures ... You just hit the first, but to whom - the army of the NK, which is much smaller ... Naturally they could not to hold back the strike only at the border planned in advance by the Azerbaijani side ... But now they are preparing, drawing conclusions, and with the next provocation it is very likely that you will lose these heights again, people and technology again ... Now imagine if this conflict did not exist ... And Azerbaijan would be larger in territory, and instead of war, Azerbaijan and Armenia would develop economic relations and people would be alive ... Have you achieved much by your nationalism in relation to the Armenians? Nothing good ... But Nagorno-Karabakh is the land of Armenians ...

[Bakht]

You don’t even know what to answer to this ...

We will not touch the military aspects. They are obvious and unquestionable. This is the success of the Azerbaijani army. Recognized by everyone except the "experts" of this site.

Whose land is this - this is where the conflict began. This is the land of those who have lived on it for a hundred and more years. Maybe several hundred years. Who started the conflict? Armenia. What have you achieved? Economic decline, casualties, closed borders. "Imagine if this conflict did not exist at all ...." So who is to blame? Who is to blame that the Azerbaijani population was expelled from Armenia? From Karabakh too. That the Armenian population was expelled from Azerbaijan. Who is to blame for the thousands of deaths? The answer is that the Armenian nationalists and their hangers-on, Kaputikyan, Balayan, Starovoitova, are to blame. The list is endless. In Azerbaijan, there has always been only a response to the hostile actions of Armenia.

Oh yes, "anti-Azerbaijani sentiments in Armenia" have intensified. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Do you just knock on the keyboard or sometimes you think? How can you strengthen what is already at the very limit? Or do you think that there are some "pro-Azerbaijani sentiments" in Armenia?

PS Once upon a time there was a hypothesis that if a million monkeys bang on the keyboard for ten years, then, according to the theory of probability, they will eventually write "War and Peace". With the development of the Internet, this hypothesis died.

[kashtak]

Quote: Bakht

"So who is to blame? Who is to blame for the fact that the Azerbaijani population was expelled from Armenia. From Karabakh, too. That the Armenian population was driven out of Azerbaijan. Who is to blame for the thousands of deaths? The answer is that the Armenian nationalists and their hangers-on, Kaputikyan, Balayan, Starovoitova, are to blame."

that then a great tragedy happened. but why there are no Azerbaijani surnames in the list. events in Baku were no less tragic. whoever was punished?

[xasharat]

This is called biting the lactating hand.

[Berserks]

So how did you determine that these are Armenian RPGs and mortars? Can’t you take such good from Azerbaijan too, or am I mistaken?

[Kenneth]

It seems that they recaptured some heights. Next time will be where to start. The army was cheered up a bit. Actually, it seemed like reconnaissance in battle. New tanks were not used, achieved local success and calmed down.

[Stavros]

The only thing that Aliyev achieved was that he rallied the people for a while, took them away from economic problems, last month slipped in their press, people burned themselves and threw out bundles of skyscrapers, I hope gentlemen Azerbaijanis agree with me that this is so. Lead az huggin.az passed the az, they wrote about it. Aliyev found the best way to distract the people, and because so many people would die for him, then his children did not fight.

[Butchcassidy]

No format will actually be effective without the participation of the NKR authorities. This is despite the fact that the Bishkek Protocol in 1994 was signed at the initiative of G. Aliyev in a trilateral format: Yerevan-Baku, Stepanakert-Baku.

And the proposal to exclude France and the USA from the negotiation format and to include Kazakhstan and Turkey (Turkey, Karl!) Into it with some fright is generally nonsense. Although I welcome the participation of Iran in the negotiations in view of the common borders with the parties to the conflict and a neutral position in the conflict as a whole.

[a dark horse]

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Here what is more or less clearly described.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: oldav

So what did the Azerbaijanis achieve? Territories for example, what is the result of the massacre?

They occupied the dominant heights + broke through the line of defense. Now control the approaches from above

[HERMES]

Quote: oldav

So what did the Azerbaijanis achieve? Territories for example, what is the result of the massacre?

In fact - reconnaissance in force. The Armenians were so arrogant that they did not even expect such a blow from the "traders", "rams", "cowards"
etc, etc ... Now let them wake up, and they will understand what kind of army they are facing this time.

PS I also advise you to look at the site voskanapat.info ... "ANALYTIC-PATRIOTIC PORTAL" (the DPRK media were not lying around) you will understand the mechanics of convolutions in most Armenians.

[garnik64]

You’re a good artist for AZ Media. Dreaming is not harmful.

[HERMES]

Quote: garnik64

A good artist for AZ media

I will take this as a compliment) Well, it's better than the dregs that they write on voskanapat. Propaganda is propaganda ... but you need to have a conscience.

[siberalt]

Nobody will understand there except the Armenians and Azerbaijanis themselves (better in the form of assimilation). And no one except Russia will be able to hold back even an unstable peace there. By and large, neither Turkey, nor the United States, nor Iran need it. And the OSCE is not doing there at all ...! If the world order does not change, then everything will remain so for another 100 years and more. In the world there are many such "suspended by the situation", "unrecognized" and "undeclared". The need is ripe for the creation of an international body to "sort out" such situations as mandatory for the parties - an imperative. But some people do not want to share this imperative with anyone yet. They want to be "exceptional" or even a world empire.

[RuslanNN]

Quote: oldav

So what did the Azerbaijanis achieve? Territories for example, what is the result of the massacre?

They liberated part of their occupied lands. and most importantly, the people believed in their army and their forces. 20 years of negotiations did not lead to the liberation of a single inch of occupied land. Azerbaijan is fighting for the liberation of its lands and it will win, the truth is on its side. Time plays against Armenia, it is weakening more and more economically and demographically, Azerbaijan, on the contrary, is becoming stronger. With unsubstantiated territorial claims against almost all neighbors, Armenia was isolated and a movement is also gaining momentum in Iran to help Azerbaijan liberate land; it can be googled. The only way to avoid war is to liberate the occupied territories and agree on the status of Nagorno-Karabakh peacefully. I hope that politicians are smart enough to agree, and not to push thousands of young lives to death. Both Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus, and other countries recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan within internationally recognized borders. Let's hope for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Azerbaijan has proven that it is no longer a whipping boy. Good luck to everyone in the liberation of their territories and peace. The Karabakh conflict was specially inflated by the West, using the Armenian diaspora, with the goal of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[midivan]

Experts agreed that the “unfrozen” conflict is disadvantageous neither to Azerbaijan, nor Armenia, nor, of course, to Russia. But Turkey and the USA have their own interests in the “hot” conflict.

They liberated part of their occupied lands.

Your comment is very out of place, otherwise I read it, I was generally disappointed with experts no one needs it, but the Americans have begun, but they’re far away, they will endure

[xasharat]

What they wrote, translation in my send Russian to
I do not understand who you are protecting :(

[kenig1]

The UN General Assembly did not recognize the results of the referendum in Crimea. Not recognized 100 countries incl. Azerbaijan, recognized the results of 11 countries, including Armenia. Your Aliyev is still that .....

[Lekxnumx]

And what was Aliyev supposed to recognize the Crimean referendum setting a precedent for Karabakh? The Armenians will say we also held a referendum, and our admit, it’s just one small difference. The Armenians drove out all the locals from Karabakh. And Russia didn’t do this for the Ukrainians in Crimea. Explain why the Armenians attacked with their FOR, or will you guess? from the PACE of Russia, the Az delegates opposed the exclusion. And the Armenian? I explained the logic of Aliyev’s policy towards the Crimea, and you explain why the Armenian delegates voted to exclude Russia from the Pase? SHAH AND MAT comrade

[kenig1]

Do not tell the chess player. Russia recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but did not recognize Kosovo, it is necessary to have political will. DO NOT LIE, Armenia abstained in the PACE vote and possibly because of dissatisfaction with Russia's supply of weapons to A-jan. Go horse.

[co-creator]

Quote: kenig1

DO NOT LIE, Armenia abstained in the PACE vote and possibly because of dissatisfaction with Russia's supply of weapons to A-jan. Go horse.

That is, the Armenians are not allies of the Russian Federation, but how hoh..ly your and ours? If you are an ally, then why not for the Russian Federation? I understand you have weapons from the moon?

[Kenneth]

You don’t have to lie. In full force, only delegates from Azerbaijan, Armenia, Cyprus, and Serbia did not support the decision on Russia.

[Bakht]

Politics is politics. And everyone defends their interests. For example, the Russian Federation recognized the referendum in Crimea and did not recognize the referendum in the Donbass. Azerbaijan did not recognize the referendum in Karabakh and did not recognize in the Crimea. What did not stop you from participating in the sanctions war. The United States recognized the referendum in Kosovo and did not recognize the referendum in Karabakh and Crimea. Armenia recognizes the referendum in Karabakh, Crimea and Kosovo. Even peacekeepers were sent to Kosovo.

If anyone finds a pattern - then the Nobel Prize. We will take it from Obama and hand it over. There is one single criterion - YOUR OWN interests. But that does not make us enemies.

So watch carefully for rallies in Yerevan.

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

did not recognize the referendum in the Donbass.

Have you read the text of the referendum question in the Donbass? Compare it with the text of the referendum in the Crimea?

Quote: Bakht

. And everyone defends their interests

Well, it’s yes, and it twists, turns in its direction.

Quote: Bakht

So watch carefully for rallies in Yerevan.

What for ? What is new, cunning, or smart at these meetings we learn? What is the largest US embassy in Yerevan in the region? Well, that’s known. What are they pushing their candidate for the presidency of Armenia, well, an ethnic Armenian from USA? We also know.

Quote: Bakht

. Who struck the first blow?

It doesn’t matter, the result is important, but in fact, if you don’t measure how much you put, reconnaissance in battle showed that, given the technical superiority, Azerbaijan could not carry out a blitzkrieg. Fist collected? Collected. Have you chosen a place? Have chosen. But they could not break through the defense and break through. Well, wait, when the US will bring its protege to the post of President of Armenia and the Russian troops will leave Armenia, as they once from Georgia with the advent of Saa .... Ah! What kind of man was Ivanov, the then Foreign Minister went to Adjara and persuaded Abashidze to leave without a fight, well, not to arrange a new massacre in Georgia, as under Gamsakhurdia.

[Bakht]

The text doesn't really matter. The very fact of "the will of the people" is called into question. When it is necessary to be recognized, when it is not necessary, it is not recognized. And the text can be any.

Actually, I read that the largest embassy is in Kyrgyzstan. Recently I learned about Armenia. Why and why is not entirely clear.

Now about the fighting. A breakthrough of defense has occurred. The entire NKR defense system is now violated. Scout groups reached Jabrail and Fizuli. This is far beyond the front line. The goal of a full-scale war was not set. Which incidentally speaks of the spontaneity of what happened. The forces of two brigades were involved and the defense was broken. Now the dominant heights under the control of Azerbaijan and the NKR need to build a defensive line in the new conditions. It's impossible. Both for military and economic reasons.

And about the coming to power of the puppets. Do you admit the option that Russian troops might leave Armenia? But what about the "natural ally", "Christian unity", "outpost", "Russia's interests in the South Caucasus"? Everything is involved in one country, which has a powerful diaspora and support in the West. If these are the interests of the Russian Federation, then happy sailing to you. I have already said more than once that the West can offer Armenia such a bonus that the Russian bases in Armenia will collapse in one day.

Last time. The interest of the Russian Federation in the South Caucasus lies in stability and peace. This is achieved by the settlement of the Karabakh conflict. There is also Abkhazia and South Ossetia. But that doesn't concern me. Russia needs the North-South transport corridor (this was the purpose of Lavrov’s visit). Russia needs a radar station in Azerbaijan.

You now have a breakdown of consciousness. They didn’t put it on that ... Well, I can say so in comfort. They put EBN-a democrats in Armenia in the 90s. Because it was necessary to break the USSR. But sober-minded politicians have always put on Azerbaijan. Now this is not the situation. You don’t have to bet on anyone. All countries of the South Caucasus are gone. If Russia does not resolve the conflict, then others will resolve it. With all the ensuing geopolitical consequences. This also applies to the sale of weapons and over-the-horizon radar and relations with Iran and access to the southern direction.

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

The text doesn't really matter.

Yah ! Then write Armenia instead of Azerbaijan, well, the text doesn’t matter Again, it seems like you don’t need to fight, just agree with the Armenians on the common name of Karabakh.

Quote: Bakht

Why and why is not entirely clear.

Oh how! Isn’t it clear? Or are you just cheating?

Quote: Bakht

. Do you admit such an option that Russian troops can leave Armenia?

I admit and gave a very concrete example of such a conclusion from Georgia.

Quote: Bakht

But what about the "natural ally", "Christian unity", "outpost", "Russia's interests in the South Caucasus"?

Throw a link where and when Az the sinful wrote something similar, but when you find it, then draw conclusions

Quote: Bakht

You now have a breakdown of consciousness. Not on that set ...

Quote: Bakht

Well, I can say as a consolation.

I’m not going to console you, but I’ll advise you to get used to the idea of ​​both Azerbaijanis and Armenians that after the collapse of the USSR their countries are not Great Game Players, well, not once. And at best, the figures are played. However, no one has canceled lobbying and the Armenians are playing an order of magnitude better in THIS clearing both in Russia and in the USA, for France with Charles / Shanurg Aznavour / Aznavuryan and other d.Artanyanyami and I do not speak.

Quote: Bakht

If Russia does not resolve the conflict, then others will resolve it. With all the ensuing geopolitical consequences.

The most terrible consequence for Russia is that when you start siphoning off blood on the current scale, but pouring rivers into rivers, then trample on en masse to Russia. As it was already at the beginning of your "glorious" deeds, and tensions will begin in the same Moscow as it was in the area of ​​the vegetable base in Biryulyovo, but we fucking did not give up, one hope - the current authorities quickly send "messages" to the diasporas, here are the stalls near the metro, well, what Izmailov's brother kept, demolished. The rest, well, like

Quote: Bakht

over-the-air radar

we will decide for ourselves and we can completely manage ourselves - be calm and have no doubt.

[avt]

Yes ! About

Quote: Bakht

. Russia needs the North-South transport corridor (this was the purpose of Lavrov’s visit).

Lavrov personally told you!? And the transport corridor is not a problem - water transport is cheaper, so the canal from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean is underway with Iran and transit countries are not needed. And whoever will object - will go under the escort of him digging a ticket.

[Bakht]

Almost personally. This is if you follow the events. The meeting in Baku was planned in advance and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran took part in it.

Water transport is cheaper if the long shoulder of the drive. Otherwise, heavy trucks would have been canceled long ago.

Sarcasm is understandable, but out of place.

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

Almost personally.

Quote: Bakht

So we want to stop pouring blood. But they offer us surrender. You do not know why people do not capitulate? I can’t help you.

Zugzwang and I do not see a way out. Russia also does not have a solution for Yu, which satisfied both sides, which means that we can only really freeze from time to time, well, as it is now, when it is very hot.

Quote: Bakht

You did not write, others wrote.

And I'm not the defendant for others.

Quote: Bakht

Donbass must remain a part of Ukraine as an autonomy.

Who owes whom is a debatable question, again, the further, the less depends on Ukraine itself. Look at the example of Georgia and how long Russia really tried to find a federal option for it, even, as already indicated, they went to export Abashidze from Adjara. BUT hot Georgian guys thought that it was they all themselves, well, they created Georgia within the borders of the USSR, again, America is with us. "Well, .... with them. As they assembled Georgia from tsarism to Stalin, they dismantled it. Be calm - they will continue in the same spirit in Ukraine and we will analyze it, and Poland and Hungary will also play around there, but the Romanians will go with their Wishlist including Odessa.

[Bakht]

The text really doesn't matter. Of interest is the interest of the State. And what is written there is all uninteresting. Donbass must remain a part of Ukraine as an autonomy. That is the whole reason.

Regarding the embassy, ​​it’s really not clear. Only with an eye on Armenia’s future withdrawal from the Russian protectorate. In Azerbaijan, the color revolution has not yet succeeded. The US ambassador was asked from the country.

You did not write, others wrote. After all, if I start specifically to answer each, then I can’t move away from the computer. Browse through the pages of the site. You will find many such statements.

I do not need consolation either. We didn’t communicate before. I will specially repeat it. The Karabakh conflict has made political objects of Armenia and Azerbaijan. We can be manipulated. Than all and sundry do. And the fact that the Armenian diaspora is stronger than the Azerbaijani is well known. And she is strong not even in Russia, but in the States and France.

So we want to stop pouring blood. But they offer us surrender. You do not know why people do not capitulate? I can’t help you. Such examples in history once or twice and miscalculated.

Of course you can. But you need it. For good reason, negotiations are underway.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Bakht

Russia needs a radar station in Azerbaijan.

As far as I know, the station is unworkable and there is no point in restoring it; now other, more advanced ones are building and placing them in Russia

[Bakht]

She even seems to be taken apart. Russia needs a NEW station

http://inosmi.ru/haqqin_az/20150818/229702985.html

This is just information. Signed a contract or not, I do not know. Every time comes completely contradictory information. That will be built, that will not. This seems to be the latest news.

But I know for sure that there will be no new station if Russia sees Azerbaijan as an enemy.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

This is just information.

Where is the link to the channel and who gave the interview? Why do stuffing.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

Russia needs a radar station in Azerbaijan.

What are you talking about. The Russian Federation will not build such a station all its territory. especially where there is no 100% control. We have long built our own in STAVROPOL.

[Bakht]

Negotiations about the station are underway. An agreement will be signed and no, it is not yet known. But there is a desire of the Russian Federation to build a station. If you are personally not up to date, then do not clog the air.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

Negotiations about the station are underway. An agreement will be signed and no, it is not yet known. But there is a desire of the Russian Federation to build a station. If you are personally not up to date, then do not clog the air.

Of course, I may not litter, but just think logically. We had a station, we destroyed it and are now negotiating the construction of a new station which will also be asked at any moment?
Negotiations are often conducted for the sake of negotiations. After Gabala, no one will invest tens of millions, and it is dangerous to depend on third parties in such matters.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Here you are right ...

[garnik64]

Armenia does not recognize the referendum on Kosovo. No need to lie. Serbs are fraternal people

[Bakht]

Who is lying, we have long been found out. What are Armenian peacekeepers doing in Kosovo? At an American base? Helping the fraternal Serbian people?

Source - Armenian media

http://www.panarmenian.net/rus/news/114902/

PanARMENIAN.Net - July 6 35 Armenian peacekeepers left for Kosovo, where they will be deployed at the Bondsteel US base. In the vicinity of the city of Uroshevac, peacekeepers will carry out their mission in the area of ​​responsibility of the multinational group "East" on the principle of six-month rotation.
The Armenian detachment will be responsible for the commandant service, the security of the checkpoint, the suppression of riots, crowd control and escort of patrols.
The Armenian peacekeeping units that participated in the mission in Kosovo since 2004 were temporarily withdrawn from Kosovo in February 2012 due to the reduction in the number of mission. A memorandum of understanding was signed with the American side to resume the mission of Armenian peacekeepers in the zone of responsibility of the multinational group "Vostok".

[garnik64]

Serbs are happy to see Armenian peacekeepers in Kosovo. Being a peacemaker does not mean recognizing the referendum. They showed on television how the Serbs relate to the Armenians and how they thanked them for controlling the holy places from the encroachments of the Albanians.

The former prime minister of Serbia voiced: “Russia has four friends - Greece, Serbia, Armenia and Belarus.” One of the most respected peoples for Armenians is the Serbs.

[Butchcassidy]

There was no referendum. Even the fact that Obama blabbed that there was a referendum does not change anything. The Kosovars, whose hands are covered in blood to the elbows, have arranged the "independence" of Kosovo as a springboard for the international mafia in the sale of weapons, human organs and other heresies.

The economic interests of the powers that be, including Madeleine Albright, as in Kosovo one of the largest reserves of brown coal in the world.

[Bakht]

Of course it wasn’t. What referendum can be in conditions of war and terror? Similarly, there was no referendum in Karabakh.

[pig killer]

What was the referendum in Kosovo? What to recognize?

[Stavros]

Remind about Lavrov, too, to the Russians where you sent him directly to Baku.

[garnik64]

Do not wait for an answer.

[Bakht]

I hardly believe that Armenians in Yerevan shout slogans in Azerbaijani

[Stavros]

But I don’t understand how the Russians endure you as a supporter of the Bozgurt, that is, the gray wolf, judging by your ava, on this site, after the murder of a Russian pilot. The provocateur is still a concrete hasharat.

[xasharat]

Stavros and why should Russians not respect me?
My country is not such a mono country as your Armenia. We have Russians at home.
How do you not burn Russian flags.
How are you on the Internet in your Russian page is not a matter.


I have a claim to the Kremlin and not to the Russian people.
In our schools and institutes in Russian. But it’s not so with you.

We have billions in turnover and you are a loan, loan, loan.
So why not respect me?

[garnik64]

If your brothers hadn’t slaughtered Christians, there would have been more of them. Do you think cutting out Armenians they bowed to the Russians and passed by. About 200 thousand Russians were slaughtered in the territory of historical Armenia.
Russians and Armenians were there where it was necessary to eliminate illiteracy, including in Baku.
Sorry to get into your conversation.

[garnik64]

So on the topic of 6 supporters of bozgurt.

[Stavros]

It is now that you Armenians pulled themselves here, if you had seen before what was going on in topics about Armenians.

[Butchcassidy]

Something cool this type in the photo is similar to our Shehtman)))

[HERMES]

Armenians even dig our mats)) Pease @ dec ... Just let the command "C @ ktyr" be sent to their serzhik first.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Azerbaijan organized mass persecution of Armenians, and decided to seize by force the Nagorno-Karabakh in which historically the Armenians mainly lived ... In 1992, Azerbaijan was four times the people and technically superior forces of the NK and was defeated ... There would be no peace negotiations - Azerbaijan would have lost even more territory ... A war would not bring anything good to Azerbaijan ... And peace negotiations should be arranged by both parties, not just Azerbaijan - then everything can be resolved peacefully ...

[Bakht]

Incorrect initial data led to incorrect conclusions. You don’t know the history of the conflict, the history of the region. It’s impossible to argue. I can convince a person who knows something. I can change my point of view if I want to learn something and study the material. Faith is not persuasive. I cannot prove to the believer that there is no God. Because he believes. I can’t prove anything to you because you believe. And you are not interested in objective data.

One question "How can you seize the territory of your country by force?" NKAO was part of Azerbaijan in 1988. This is the same as claiming that Russia decided to seize Ichkeria by force.

[garnik64]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5cJNOKA_s0
Watch and listen.

[Butchcassidy]

NKAO self-determined in accordance with then applicable law. Baku’s response was the start of hostilities.

This is if we omit the very fact of the "rooted" border of the NKAO, created in Soviet times.

[Bakht]

Well, how much can you repeat the same lie? Do I need to start a new one?

NKAR tried to secede Contrary to applicable law. And she received a refusal from the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. From Moscow. If you do not remember, then in 1988 it was still the capital of the USSR.

About more ancient declarations, your level of knowledge is the same. That is, no.

[Butchcassidy]

I am talking about a referendum on independence, and not about joining the ArmSSR.

If everything was decided within the framework of the USSR, then blood could have been avoided.

[Bakht]

When and what referendum? Specify the time frame and tell 40 Azerbaijanis participated in this referendum? This is about 000% of the population.

What legislation did this happen under?

Simple questions require simple answers.

[Bakht]

If you really want to know the history of the conflict from a legal point of view, then this is one thing, if you just approve ready-made cliches - another.

This topic has long been exhausted. Just by inertia the most stubborn (including myself), we find out something.

So from the point of view of international law, Union Legislation and any normal human community and even military subordination, none of the "referendums" in Nagorno-Karabakh is illegitimate.

We start with the Constitution of the USSR. The Union Republics had the right to withdraw. But not autonomy. The right to exit was not indicated by the main point in Karabakh. The main thing was joining. It was inspired from abroad. By virtue of this, the entire Karabakh conflict must be considered as Anschluss.
The "referendum" in the conditions of war and the absence of the Azerbaijani minority has no legal force (like Kosovo. By the way, you are right here, there was no referendum in Kosovo. There was a statement by an aggressive minority). The referendum was held in December 1991. Just the collapse of the USSR. Belovezhskie agreements. Now it is clear to whom the collapse of the USSR was beneficial? By the way, it was in Armenia that the referendum on the preservation of the USSR was failed and was not held. The Armenians were not satisfied with the preservation of the USSR.
The referendum is held by agreement with higher authorities. Well, a company commander cannot contact a division commander directly. There are intermediate instances. The decision of the Supreme Council of NKAR was addressed directly to the USSR Armed Forces, bypassing Baku. And it was declared unconstitutional illegal. It was the USSR Armed Forces that recognized it as not complying with the law.
Based on the foregoing, I hope it is clear why ethnic cleansings were carried out in both Armenia and the NKAR?
You will not find a single legal argument in favor of the secession, accession or independence of the NKR. No one. None of the "referendums" has been recognized by anyone in the world. It is because of their legal insolvency.

And finally. In the RSFSR in 1990-1991, similar "referendums" were held. Let's say Tatarstan or Ichkeria. None of them were recognized by Russia. How does Karabakh differ from Chechnya? And there and there there was the expulsion of national minorities, there were military actions. At some point, Russia even signed Khasavyurt.

Just provide proof that "NKAO determined itself in accordance with the legislation in force at that time." And about the "answer" you are greatly mistaken. The deportations were started by the Armenians. And the first people killed in the conflict were Azerbaijanis. And a lot of things can be discussed in a new way. But I am more interested in the legal and legal side of the case.

[xasharat]

Show me who you are?
Tell us how before the Mumgait events you drove our people in Armenia.
Why are you silent about this?

[garnik64]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5cJNOKA_s0
Please look and listen to Solovyov’s YouTube, although I know your answer. And you’re doing it right. Until the Crusaders reach a lot of water will leak.

[Qyomur]

As usual in such meetings, water is poured from empty to empty. As the owners of the Azerbaijani flag have repeatedly stated here, Azerbaijan is waging a war "for the liberation of territories." Every time when representatives of any organizations or political circles of some countries issue the phrase "call on the parties to end the violence" one gets the impression that at least offensive actions are being conducted on both sides. Serious guys are looking for someone who rocks the situation, discussing who benefits from it, who is pushing. First of all, it is beneficial for Azerbaijan. He wants to use military force to resolve territorial differences. There will always be someone who will rock Azerbaijan. The events of the first days of April showed a difference in the attitude of both parties to each other. Old men brutally killed in a Karabakh village with ears cut off as trophies, severed heads of Armenian soldiers, torture of the bodies of the dead. These are the facts that were recorded, among other things, by the OSCE representatives during the exchange of bodies of the dead. And after that, someone else declared that it was necessary to transfer Karabakh under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan, and then hold referendums and other dregs. All these years, the status quo was beneficial to absolutely everyone except Azerbaijan. And therefore, as I said above, all these statements about the "appeals of the parties" are seen as a mockery. As in 2008, it was funny when everyone was shouting about the end of violence on both sides, as they are now expressing about Donbass and it will always be the same in any conflicts. As for reconciliation, it cannot be achieved now for one simple reason - the Azerbaijani people were brought up on revanchism and hatred towards Armenians. And until generations change, propaganda and education change, Azerbaijan will always be ready for aggression, and there will always be someone who can shake it up.

[Bakht]

Already progress - recognize the "territorial differences".
The term aggression is very muddy. To whom attacked Azerbaijan. Whose territory occupies? Simple questions.
Atrocities over the prisoners are fixed on both sides (I am writing about the first war). Armenians committed atrocities neither better nor worse than others.
Hatred in the blood of the Armenian people. During the 100 years, you still live with a feeling of hatred towards your neighbors.

[garnik64]

The hatred of the Armenian people only towards the Turks. And while this state exists, there will be some problems for Russia and not only.

[Holsten]

There was still an expert opinion and it seems Bagdasarov expressed it: there will be no peace in Karabakh as long as Turkey rules the region. The best way to help solve the problem is the restructuring of Turkey, and better from the inside, but here it can and should be helped, without waiting until Turkey begins to reignite hotbeds of tension in Russia. Turkey itself positions itself as an enemy of Russia, and even its proposals for reconciliation remind me more of the demands for surrender, thereby removing the question of choice. It’s simply scary to attack the Russian Federation openly, so that they will spoil quietly wherever possible. And if Turkey frankly sets as its goal the collapse of Russia, then we must respond adequately

[Vova Vartanov]

What 5 districts are we talking about - about Königsberg and Southern Sakhalin or is it Danzig with Silesia
? This land was acquired by Karabakh AFTER the aggression of the Turks living in the Caspian region and is part of the constitutionally fixed territory of Artsakh-Nagorno-Karabakh.

[xasharat]

Not Hassan Dzhalalovsky Arsakh not yours

Not Panah Ali Hanowski created Karabakh.

And do not be distracted at all. All at the rally.

[garnik64]

Wikipedia "Gandzasar."

[uranium]

name at least one country that recognized occupied Nagorno-Karabakh ?? Russia recognized ??? or maybe Armenia itself recognized over 20 years of so-called independence ??

[kenig1]

The American Embassy in Armenia is the largest in the world in terms of the number of employees, why would it?

[Butchcassidy]

Moreover, the United States understands that the size of Armenia does not correlate with the influence of Armenians in the world, therefore this region (and Armenia, moreover, is a gateway to the Middle East and the Caucasus). Therefore, they pay great attention to this region. Although for us, of course, there is nothing good in it ... The activity of Russian diplomacy leaves much to be desired ...

[Pvi1206]

The confrontation in this place of the planet has a long history.
It worsened after the collapse of the USSR and became not only interstate, but also interreligious.
Such conflicts, in principle, cannot be resolved peacefully and can only be frozen.
But relapses will be repeated.
Politicians are eager to use this not in the interests of conflicting peoples ...

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Qyomur

As usual in such meetings, water is poured from empty to empty. As the owners of the Azerbaijani flag have repeatedly stated here, Azerbaijan is waging a war "for the liberation of territories." Every time when representatives of any organizations or political circles of some countries issue the phrase "call on the parties to end the violence" one gets the impression that at least offensive actions are being conducted on both sides. Serious guys are looking for someone who rocks the situation, discussing who benefits from it, who is pushing. First of all, it is beneficial for Azerbaijan. He wants to use military force to resolve territorial differences. There will always be someone who will rock Azerbaijan. The events of the first days of April showed a difference in the attitude of both parties to each other. Old men brutally killed in a Karabakh village with ears cut off as trophies, severed heads of Armenian soldiers, torture of the bodies of the dead. These are the facts that were recorded, among other things, by the OSCE representatives during the exchange of bodies of the dead. And after that, someone else declared that it was necessary to transfer Karabakh under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan, and then hold referendums and other dregs. All these years, the status quo was beneficial to absolutely everyone except Azerbaijan. And therefore, as I said above, all these statements about the "appeals of the parties" are seen as a mockery. As in 2008, it was funny when everyone was shouting about the end of violence on both sides, as they are now expressing about Donbass and it will always be the same in any conflicts. As for reconciliation, it cannot be achieved now for one simple reason - the Azerbaijani people were brought up on revanchism and hatred towards Armenians. And until generations change, propaganda and education change, Azerbaijan will always be ready for aggression, and there will always be someone who can shake it up.

Did you forget to write about 2500 Igilovs who fought for Az-na on April 1 under the command of the Turks)) Who carried out ethnic cleansing in Karabakh? "Before Khojaly, Azerbaijanis thought they were just joking with us. Azerbaijanis thought that Armenians are people who cannot raise your hand against the civilian population. It was necessary to break it all. And so it happened. " The book Thomas de Vala said the current president, thug Sargsyan, how does Az-tsam treat the Armenians after that? I don’t know how to communicate with Armenians, but I’ll try in our way on the street. Armenians howl about Sumgait without remembering about the expulsion from Kafan. Well offended you Azeris killed, etc. You answered Khojaly killed at least 5 times more. Now I owe Az- tsami will seize Karabakh, expel all Armenians for more than 20 years, they will hold so many years of negotiations. Then write about an eye for an eye, or guess yourself? Return the people living in Karabakh back, give the occupied regions, namely, OCCUPIED and Karabakh to YOU ​​without a corridor to Armenia, it never happened. As a fair option? There then the Armenians themselves join Az-nu))) You gentlemen clowns, neither logic nor international law is on your side. You yourself do not know what you want, you are just playing for time. Did not recognize Karabakh, not annexed to Armenia. Your policy is a complete anegdote to her God.

[garnik64]

Listen, the troops entered Baku, not Yerevan. There was probably a reason. We won’t
argue who started this is stupid.
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Khojalu: Between hunger and fire. Power at the cost of lives ...
Video on demand Khojalu movie ▶ 1:32:31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zC_SgF9vKo послушай другую сторону.

[Lekxnumx]

Of course there was a reason, and the Soviet troops carried out Operation "Ring" for no reason or to disarm the Armenian bandits? But you Armenians interpret it differently. Well, if we are looking for reasons, so let's find the reasons here. I heard that you are Armenians always singing one and the same song. Allegedly in Sumgait Armenians killed Armenians, and in Khojaly Az-ts killed Az-ts Conclusion you are both white and fluffy people, but there is no enemy. But in fact there were thugs, scoundrels, murderers of the civilian population on both sides. The president himself Why did I accept your versions? I know the words of the Armenian and Az-political mugams are identical, only the antiheroes of these tales are different.

[region46]

the most important thing that is clear from this conflict is Armenia - the most lazy nation of traders. Karabakh was under the Armenians for more than 20 years. during this time there one could bury oneself in the ground and dig in. And what do we see on the vidos? some runny trenches, and the equipment is generally standing in the open field. Lazy people!

[xasharat]

They strengthened their insignificant defense of 25 years during the night and broke through.

[BARKHAN]

I would like a person far from this conflict to find out ... Who struck the first blow? Were the Armenian old men killed and their ears cut off? Were the Armenian soldiers decapitated? (Question to the Azerbaijani side).

[Bakht]

And who will tell you? On the front line shoot. And there it is the front line. Who struck the first blow? Unknown There are no observers. But ALL military operations took place on the territory of Azerbaijan. So draw your own conclusions.

About the atrocities. This is not the first war when partisan and semi-partisan units fought. Self-defense and incomprehensible militias. Fought personnel units under the command of commanders. No volunteers were allowed into the war zone from Azerbaijan. So I do not believe in photos with cut off ears and heads. The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan categorically denies any manifestations of cruelty.

[Qyomur]

how is it unknown? just a little higher, your compatriot claims that your army was conducting offensive actions and therefore there are more losses))) you at least agree first who will write something, otherwise someone directly affirms and someone denies. Not serious somehow.

[Stavros]

The teahouse begins work at 12:00, did not have time to agree))).

[Bakht]

I explain on the fingers. The Azerbaijani army conducted offensive operations. In my own land. In response to the provocative shelling of the Armenian Armed Forces.

Who started? So it is beneficial for the Armenian side to provoke a war. So my opinion is that Armenians constantly shell Azerbaijani villages and get an answer. This time, the Azerbaijani army launched a limited offensive (according to the Armenian general - reconnaissance in battle) and recaptured several important heights. Moreover, during the day the defense was broken through.

Any other questions?

[garnik64]

There was only one lelepep height, and then on the neutral strip. The Armenian boys were attacked by the Turkish special forces together with about 300 Azerbaijanis ..., and already the Armenian special forces threw them back to their former positions.
As for the dead, the bodies were mutilated, faces were broken, the two dead were transferred without heads.

[Bakht]

Keep sculpting bullshit. Military sites have a new front configuration. And why only Turkish special forces? Where did the ISIS, Chechens, Afghans, Pakistani tank divisions go? Have you forgotten them or have completely destroyed them? The truth is much more prosaic. The valiant Armenian fidaines and the NKR strongest army were defeated by two AZERBAIJANI brigades. And we think of them 23. I definitely don’t know and no one will give me this data.

[xasharat]

Kurdish terrorists are fighting for Armenians. This was sacked in Karabakh.

[Vadim237]

Is there evidence of Kurd in this photo?

[Bakht]

It has always been known that the Kurds and Armenians are brothers. Well, if not brothers, then allies. Although the same Kurds slaughtered them 100 years ago. A terrorist terrorist sees from afar.

[garnik64]

Yezidi brothers, but not Kurds. Although, for the sake of a common enemy, it is possible and united.
In Germany and France, the Kurds dispersed the picket from the Turks and Azerbaijanis, because of anti-Armenian slogans. So a convergence of interests is possible.

[garnik64]

This is too much. The Sultan will be offended, all the same native blood.

Respect the members of the forum.

[Bakht]

All experts on foot erotic journey. What has Azerbaijan achieved? It has been said a hundred times. It was not about 200 meters or 2 kilometers. And it was not about 2, 3, or ten villages .. Here is the REAL result

"Nalbandian: Baku and Yerevan are discussing the return of 6 occupied regions"

http://ru.oxu.az/politics/127196

PS Although I do not like to give ratings. But I could not resist it. One of the minuses of the article is mine

[Olezhek]

"Nalbandian: Baku and Yerevan are discussing the return of 6 occupied regions"

And ask 5 or 6 and in exchange for WHAT
(for example, recognition of Artsakh within its borders ...)

[Bakht]

And you carefully read. There is no word about Artsakh. There is about Nagorno-Karabakh. There is a referendum. There is a temporary status of NKR. And take a look at history and geography. NKR will not live even a couple of months without joining Armenia. So this is about annexation. So you need to call a spade a spade. Then there will be no confusion.

[Butchcassidy]

No one there will give anything to anyone. And you can discuss anything you like - all the same, the words and signed by the Turks (at least Anatolian, at least Caspian) are worthless. Erdogan in Moscow was an honored guest at the opening of the Cathedral Mosque, and a few days before the Su-24 story, Erdogan personally shook hands with Putin at the summit in Antalya and what? But nothing. This did not stop him from giving an order to bring down our aircraft.

So here - what is the Bishkek truce, signed at the initiative of G. Aliyev, if it is not respected?

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

"Nalbandian: Baku and Yerevan are discussing the return of 6 occupied regions"

Again ?

[Bakht]

So far, nothing concrete has been signed. Perhaps now they will not sign it. But now everyone already knows that the next blow will be taken at least two areas. Geography already allows. Photos of the Azerbaijani military on the outskirts of Fizuli were already online.

[Butchcassidy]

The geography of the region and the built military engineering infrastructure and air defense make it possible to keep the defense contingent of approx. 30 thousand from almost any enemy, if we exclude the theoretical military intervention of countries at the level of Russia or the United States.

25 years of history is proof of this.

[Bakht]

4 days in April it was refuted. Saturation of units and subunits with fire weapons allows you to break through any defense. Even without the intervention of countries at the level of Russia or the United States. Rather, the opposite. The non-intervention of these countries will lead to the collapse of defense.

[Butchcassidy]

Well. Baku's aggressive policy in this matter can only be greeted with the words of the Spartan king Leonid: Molon Labe (Come and take it).

The only difference is that the modern oil-bearing Baku sultanate is far from the army of Xerxes, and the Armenians are not small Spartans.

[Stavros]

Bakhtiyar, honestly, tell me please, do you really believe that the Armenians will return at least one district to you. Yes, any government who takes this step will be demolished.

[xasharat]

We are in no hurry. But with blockade and loans and migrations, they have something to think about.

[Bakht]

Of course they will. Where will they go?

Hand in hand at the place where the party card used to be - do you really believe that Azerbaijan will leave at least one district? Then there will be an American government in Baku, NATO bases will be in Azerbaijan, a constant conflict with the Russian Federation and Iran, and the Russian Federation will not have a billion evergreens a year from military orders.

Take a few steps back and look at everything from the Spasskaya Tower of the Kremlin. See new horizons.

[garnik64]

Then plan B will come into force, the Lezgins will declare their independence, the Talysh will not leave behind and the oil and gas pipelines will be under Russia's control. I don’t know what Russia is slow?

[garnik64]

And what have they already signed? Without recognition of Karabakh, negotiations will not lead to anything from at least two regions.

[Bakht]

First, no one will announce anything. These are all dreams. Although the leader of the Talysh separatists settled well in Yerevan.

But I like the progress in thinking. Up to two districts have already been agreed. Why two? Yes, because according to the results of 4 days in April, it is impossible to protect Fizuli and Jabrail. For Armenia, the southern regions are more important than even the Lachin corridor. This is a connection with Iran. Connection only with Armenia means the economic death of NKR. Now it may become clear why the NKAR has always been a part of Azerbaijan?

[Bakht]

I love local experts and politicians. Much has been said about "allies and friends"

A protest march to the Russian Embassy in Armenia started in Yerevan from Freedom Square. As reported by Novosti-Armenia, the march will end in front of the Russian Embassy in Armenia.

A statement will be published here on behalf of the protesters with the following requirements for Russia: the performance of their duties de jure political ally, in further decisions respect the national interests and security of Armenia and immediately cease arms sales to Azerbaijan.

All is correct. The DUTY of Russia to respect the national interests of Armenia. You can not pay attention to your own.

[the finish]

And why you don’t finish the most important ending of this document. That is what Armenia sought and did not refuse.
The legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh in a few years should be determined by referendum, but subject to the return of refugees. The main thing in this text of the document was that Baku and Yerevan refused to use force to resolve disputes, and in a legally binding form.

[Bakht]

Tell me, only refused to use force?

In 1994, they signed a document that they refuse to use force in exchange for the occupied areas. From 1994 to 2014 (20 years) there were sporadic skirmishes at the front, with a total number of 10-15 deaths per year. This is maximum. But no one returned a single meter. Although it was also signed in a "legally binding form." Since 2014, the ceasefire has actually not been implemented. The reason is that under this pretext Armenia sabotaged "legally binding documents".

Now the situation is different. Do not sign - there will be another war. And in real life everyone knows perfectly well that the army of Armenia and the NKR (combined) will not be able to oppose anything. This is called peace enforcement.

For the hundredth time. If Armenia fulfills the "legally binding documents" - there will be no war. Will not accept - there will be another outbreak.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

. And in real life everyone knows perfectly well that the army of Armenia and the NKR (combined) will not be able to oppose anything

These are your Wishlist. If the Russian Federation does not technically abandon Armenia, then they will fight on equal terms with you. Yes, they will surrender a couple of districts and all. It has long been estimated the approximate amount of weapons, etc. There is no complete military solution to the conflict.

[Bakht]

Contradictions in one phrase. "If the RF does not give up," this means that Armenia and the NKR together will not be able to do anything. There is a military solution, but it will cost a lot of blood. And it was the awareness of the fact that a solution exists that made Armenia sit down at the negotiating table. And "a couple of regions" from the same opera. Until April, no one spoke about a couple of districts. At least take into account the real facts. Everything else is your "wanted".

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

Everything else is your "wanted".

I don't care about Armenians. In general, I believe that Yeltsin was once "imposed" on a base there. Putin didn’t figure it out at first, but now to get her out is to lose face, and with the Turks we have "almost a warrior." The base in Armenia is the biggest mistake of the Russian Federation in my opinion. But you need to evaluate everything soberly.
Yes, your weapon is more modern, but in terms of quantity it is almost parity. Plus, the Russian Federation will throw them RZSO and PTUROV. You understand. that you need to attack, and not just in the field, but in the mountains. This is very difficult. If you do not immediately defeat the enemy, then he quickly gets rid of and will hold the defense for a very long time. For example, in the same Chechnya for weeks, they drove Chechens out of Vedeno, Bamut.

Quote: Bakht

A military solution exists, but it will cost a lot of blood. And it was the recognition of the fact that a solution existed that made Armenia sit at the negotiating table.

Do you think that the Azerbaijani society is ready for big losses. but Armenian is not?

[Bakht]

I highlighted the most important thing with color. "Russia should." Everything else is little things in life. :-)

[zollstab]

Quote: xasharat
"There are not a couple of people, but a whole people" A small group of individuals with chicken brains. There is such a set in every republic and country.

[xasharat]

Maybe then show how we burn the Russian flag?
How do we make posters Russia get out.

Only Armenians are capable of this.

[NKR007]

At least Armenia, unlike Azerbaijan, does not hide the death toll from its people !!!
Azerbaijanis, your destiny will always be that you will embellish your successes, which are not! Your true front is online forums! firstly, az-an failed its aggression did not achieve absolutely nothing !!! secondly, after a week, a maximum of a month later, the true number of deaths will float in your country, according to official data of NKR JSC 400 Askars, according to an unofficial 2000 !!! Aliyev, who was in the AOE and Turkey during the first war (1991-1994), was spending time in the casino with petrodolars and Hasanov who even hid behind the back promised to wipe the NKR off the face of the earth in 2 hours, but after a counterattack by the NKR self-defense forces they fled to Moscow to ask to stop the offensive Armenians !!!
Russia a second time saves you az-ntsy !!! And remember once and for all !!! you will never defeat us !!! at least give you weapons of the whole world that cannot happen !!! for one simple reason !!! For you, Karabakh is a territory and for us the Motherland !!! because for nomads the word homeland means nothing !!! you can write anything in cyberspace, embellish, compose successes that are not there and we will be proud of our real successes and victories !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLtiUqoVdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSGXQSdfWfg

[uranium]

Yes, you are right not to hide. )) all those who died from Armenia and not one from Karabakh. Believe in yourself what you said

[NKR007]

https://youtu.be/JSGXQSdfWfg

[the finish]

Yes yeah ... There are no words alone emotions!

[AID.S]

Quote: xasharat

Finish
Well, stop lying ahhh. I will give you 99 names of Armenians. You will find at least one living person, I will change my name. Wait, I'll write you all.

In photo 99, this is a list of 2 days ago.

Write a mail, I will send you the whole list

The name of the Armenian whose head was chopped off, name ...

[the finish]

He was an ordinary Yezid-Kyaram Sloyan, a citizen of Armenia, of Yezidi descent. In vain they are so with him. Yezidis made enemies themselves.

[Bakht]

In the photo that was presented there was some militant not in the form of a soldier of the Azerbaijan army. In summer clothes. There are no such in the army of Azerbaijan. There is no evidence either.

By the way, there was a message "that Azerbaijanis are spreading photos in social networks." I spent the whole day on purpose. This photo was distributed by Armenian Internet users. That site on facebook is not the site of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry. Curiosity and you will not find that this photo was posted by Azerbaijani users.

[xasharat]

His head was not cut off but torn.
Armenians are engaged in terrorism and not us.

In the ranks of the PKK terrorists, many Armenians were killed and when they were chewed, many Armenians.

Can I show the photo here?


Further, you kind of said there were no Armenians from Armenia, and in the list of killed 95% were from Armenia.

[Stavros]

Well, the Yezidis have trouble with the Turks even without it.

[runway]

The more diligently Russia "extinguishes" the conflict in Karabakh by supplying arms to both sides, the longer it will "smolder". The Armenians hope that Russia will openly enter the war on their side. These hopes are justified by the entry of Armenia into the defensive blocs organized by Russia. Ask any Armenian and he will say that Mount Ararat and the entire Ararat valley are not the territory of Turkey, but Armenia. Russia, when creating defensive blocks, chased after the quantity, not paying attention to the quality of the participants in these blocks. While "hot conflicts" with neighboring countries persisted, Russia assumed the responsibility to protect its partner.
In this case, the Karabakh conflict can be resolved by Russia only by setting an ultimatum in front of Armenia. The solution of the issue on a mutually acceptable option with Azerbaijan is peace in exchange for a part of the territories.
The ultimatum should imply that if the Armenian side violates the peace, it will be excluded from the defensive blocs organized by Russia and our base will be withdrawn from Armenia.
Monitoring the observance of the conditions of the world must control the forces of the UN

[RuslanNN]

Quote: xasharat

Please do not lie.

And the posters in English for Russia? Whose grandmother work out?

[xasharat]

And after the war, where did Serzh Sargsyan fly? To Moscow? No to Germany.
The United States passed them.

[Vadim237]

They there in Armenia want to leave the CSTO and the Eurosian Union - but for God's sake, there will be less gruzilov with them if they suddenly want to fight again.

[Bakht]

It was all interesting but, unfortunately, not informative. All old scriptures and attempts to justify oneself.

The reality is this. The war will be another, if not agreed. In addition to the 100 T-90S, Azerbaijan seems to have concluded another contract with Russia for the supply of 100 T-90MS tanks. And it seems there is a contract for the supply of 100 BTR-82.

[Butchcassidy]

It’s not weapons fighting, people are fighting and defeating. In the 1990s, Baku’s military superiority in terms of technology and resources tended to infinity, but this did not help in any way.

[Bakht]

There was no superiority. There were detachments and volunteers. There were untrained guys. There was complete unpreparedness for war and betrayal in the rear.

Now the situation is completely different. And the result is accordingly different. Since when did the Armenians become warriors? Just because they call themselves that? They always lost. Otherwise there would be no Turkey but Armenia. And they lose because of their stupidity.

Ter-Petrosyan notes that there is no alternative to compromise: an alternative to compromise is war: “Denial of compromise and maximalism are the shortest way to aggravate the situation in Armenia and the complete collapse of Karabakh. It's not about whether to return Karabakh or not. The point is to keep Karabakh Armenian: for three thousand years it was inhabited by Armenians and should be inhabited by Armenians for another three thousand years. The path I have chosen will provide this perspective. Armenia and Karabakh are stronger today than ever, but without a settlement in a year or two they will become incomparably weaker. "What we reject today, in the future we will have to ask - how many times happened in our history."

[garnik64]

And this time the detachments were on the Martuninsky district. At the expense of stupidity, I would say gullibility you are absolutely right.

[Bakht]

Legends again. And not tired? There are thousands of statements in the military enlistment offices, and at the front there are detachments. Flags in Azerbaijani stores ran out, the troops have no defeated moods, and you write about mythical detachments.

The credulity of the Armenians is something from the realm of fantasy. There is greed for foreign lands. Stupidity is also present. By all laws of geopolitics, Armenia lost the war back in 1994. Ter-Petrosyan understood this even then. You do not understand even now. Victory in one battle turned into a defeat in the war.

[co-creator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAIjOSj2s0s

This is whose soldiers. I just don’t distinguish between Armenian and Azeri?

[Bakht]

This video is about nothing. They say that it was filmed in Diarbakir. Separate words seem to be Turkish (not a single whole phrase). But honestly nothing is clear. The Armenians are spreading. How the video got to them is incomprehensible. Most likely another Armenian fake.

[Butchcassidy]

As a popular saying in Turkey says: half of heroism is running away on time.

Quote: Bakht

By all laws of geopolitics, Armenia lost the war back in 1994

In Baku, apparently, it has changed: half the victory is to lose on time.

An attempt to present their military defeats as victories is ridiculous))

[wanderer_032]

But Turkey and the USA have their own interests in the “hot” conflict.

Presumably. It is interesting why our authorities, knowing the tense situation in this region, sold military equipment to Azerbaijan, the latest, which is enough to fully equip the combined-arms strike group?

19.06.2015 10:12

According to 1news.az with reference to AzeriDefence magazine, the Uralvagonzavod plant, located in Nizhny Tagil, Sverdlovsk Region, is now continuing to supply component parts to Azerbaijan.

“We are pleased with the cooperation with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijani tankers mastered the T-90C in a short period of time, ”representatives of the plant emphasized.

Recall that the T-90 Vladimir is the Russian main battle tank manufactured by the Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Corporation named after F. Dzerzhinsky. Armed with an 125-mm smoothbore gun and two machine guns of the caliber 12,7-mm and 7,62-mm. Speed ​​along the highway is 60 km / h, cross-country speed - 35-45 km / h. Cruising range - 550 km.

Tank T-90С (export version of T-90) is the best-selling tank in the world at the moment. It is believed that the T-90 has gained popularity in the world market due to its good combination of "price-quality", as well as exceptional unpretentiousness and reliability in operation. In addition to Azerbaijan, these tanks were delivered to India, Algeria, Turkmenistan and Uganda.

Note that the supply of T-90С to Azerbaijan began in the 2013 year. At the request of the Azerbaijani side, the Shtora-1 optical-electronic suppression systems were installed on the tanks delivered to our country.

Timur Rzayev, F.B.

http://1news.az/politics/20150619100403000.html

ABU DHABI, 24 February. / TASS /. Russia is completing the delivery of a batch of T-90C tanks to Azerbaijan, a representative of the Azerbaijani official delegation told TASS correspondent at the IDEX-2015 arms salon held here.
"All the contracted tanks produced by Uralvagonzavod have been shipped, their acceptance is being processed by the customer, after which test firing will be carried out at the range," he said.
As Esen Topoev, advisor to the general director of Rosoboronexport, told TASS earlier, in 2017 Moscow will complete the supply of a large batch of weapons and military equipment to Baku under the package of 2010 agreements.
According to media reports, we are talking about contracts for three battalions of T-90S tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, a division (18 units) of Msta-S self-propelled artillery mounts, a division (18 launchers installations) multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) "Smerch", a battalion (18 units) of self-propelled artillery guns "Vienna" and a battery (6 units) of heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek" (a new modification of the "Buratino" system).
The publications noted that, complete with tanks, Azerbaijan purchases BREM-1M armored repair and recovery vehicles and IMR-3M engineering vehicles based on the T-90, and all vehicles necessary for maintenance and shooting control. At the same time, T-90S tanks are purchased in the most advanced serial configuration at the moment, including a new modification of the Shtora optical-electronic suppression system, an air conditioner and an automatic target tracking.
Experts suggest that the value of this package of contracts ranges from $ 700 million to $ 1 billion.
Topoev also added that we are talking about the supply of Mi-17В1 and Mi-35М helicopters to the republic. According to open sources, in particular, in 2010, a contract was signed for the supply of 24 Mi-35M to Azerbaijan.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/02/90_25.html

[wanderer_032]

All deliveries of military equipment outside Russia take place only with the knowledge of Rosoboronexport.

Here is the information that Rosoboronexport provides about its activities:

Status

Rosoboronexport Joint Stock Company, a member of Rostec Corporation, is the only Russian state intermediary for export / import of the entire range of final products, technologies and military and dual-use services.

Rosoboronexport was created by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 4 of November 2000 of November 1834 to carry out foreign trade activities in relation to military products in order to implement the state policy in the field of military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and foreign countries. Since July 1 2011, Rosoboronexport has been operating as an open joint stock company.

Rosoboronexport operates under the strict control of the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of Russia and in full compliance with UN provisions and international arms control agreements.

Only Rosoboronexport has the right to supply the world market with the full range of weapons and military equipment permitted for export produced by the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia. Rosoboronexport accounts for more than 85 percent of Russian-made military products.

Rosoboronexport is one of the leading operators in the global arms and military equipment market. The geography of Rosoboronexport cooperation covers more than 70 countries of the world.

The official status of an exclusive state intermediary gives Rosoboronexport unique opportunities to expand long-term mutually beneficial cooperation with foreign partners, provide guaranteed state support for all export-import operations, and strengthen Russia's leading position in the global arms market.

http://roe.ru/roe/rus_status.html

And in this regard, the question arises.

In whose interests is Rosoboronexport acting? At Rosoboronexport, people are generally on friendly terms with their heads and understand where and to whom they are selling weapons? Or do they just see the loot before their eyes?

Indeed, on the territory of Armenia in the vicinity of Gyumri there is a Russian military base, and one of the northern sections of the border passes with the Russian federal subject - rep. Dagestan, that is.

[Bakht]

In whose interests is Rosoboronexport acting? At Rosoboronexport, people are generally on friendly terms
----
Rosoboronexport operates under the strict control of the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of Russia

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Bakht

Rosoboronexport operates under the strict control of the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of Russia

So what is it about.

[Bakht]

Well, then the president and the government of Russia are not friends with the head ....

I myself do not comment on anything. It turns out so ...

[co-creator]

Quote: wanderer_032

So what is it about.

So Putin believes this is right, it’s not for you to ask who and where to deliver weapons to.

[Vadim237]

"Indeed, on the territory of Armenia, in the vicinity of Gyumri, there is a Russian military base, and one of the northern sections of the border passes with the Russian federal subject - the republic of Dagestan, that is." Excuse me, how does the Republic of Dagestan border on Armenia? As for our base, it can be closed as soon as possible, and the supply of weapons is just business and nothing personal, and therefore the supply will continue.

[co-creator]

Quote: Vadim237

just a business and nothing personal

No, this is not only a business in this region.

[uranium]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

volunteers

again the tales of grandmother Haykanush tell, the Armenians began to drive Azerbaijanis from Armenia back in 1987, if not earlier.

[Bakht]

why our authorities ...... sold military equipment to Azerbaijan, and the latest

The answer is in a speech by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Nizhny Novgorod.

Russia sold arms worth $ 2015 billion in 14,5. 1 billion is supplies to Azerbaijan. This represents approximately 7% of the TOTAL DefenseExport.

The answer is banal. Arms sales to Azerbaijan is a strategic interest of the Russian Federation. This weapon will not be turned against the Russian Federation. And perhaps it will strengthen the position of Azerbaijan in repelling the threat from the southern direction. But this is all a theory. But really - this is the currency so necessary for Russia in the conditions of crisis and sanctions.

Who knows: 100 tanks - how busy is the Uralvagonzavod? And what was used in the war. So I did not know that you can plow on the tank. Probably possible, but still not the purpose. To prevent weapons from firing, diplomats work for this.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Bakht

Arms sales to Azerbaijan is a strategic interest of the Russian Federation.

Personally, it’s for me, as a simple person, it’s completely uninteresting for the old internecine conflict from slowly smoldering between Armenia and Azerbaijan to turn into a full-scale massacre in which thousands of people from both sides can die. And then my country to the whole world was later declared the instigator of war by the very United States.
I don’t need such "happiness" for nothing.

[Bakht]

I'm not interested in this either. But for 25 years the Armenians have been claiming that they conquered these areas with weapons. And the standard advice on any Armenian website is “take a gun and fight”. Now Azerbaijan has taken the machine gun and followed the Armenian advice. What's causing all the noise? Due to the collapse of another myth about invincible Armenians? Or are the marshals from the other world not helping much?

There will be no full-scale war. Neither the States nor Russia will give. But periodically there will be such bursts of activity. I do not call for a review of all posts over the past year. But hasn't the situation changed dramatically? By the comments you can’t see?

The only thing I’m afraid is that the situation will be lowered and then all the victims will be wasted. Now is the time to resolve the conflict. And there is a solution. By the end of the year must decide. In the meantime, there is again a shootout at the front. And every day they count up to hundreds of fire strikes. And people continue to die.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

But really - this is the currency so necessary for Russia in the conditions of crisis and sanctions.

The Russian Federation has almost 500 lard in different funds and 1 lard is not critical. They certainly sell not only because of money. So the Russian Federation has its own plans.

[Bakht]

Again. The sale of arms to Azerbaijan is 7% of the total arms exports of the Russian Federation. For the gifted - 7% is very, very significant for the military-industrial complex.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

For the gifted - 7% is very, very significant for the military-industrial complex.

For the gifted, if Ukraine or Georgia orders weapons from the Russian Federation for 7% of the military-industrial complex, will it sell them to them?

[Bakht]

You wrote that 1 lard is not critical. I replied that 1 lard is 7% of military-industrial complex exports. (I skipped the word "export" in the first message). But that's understandable.

Instead of answering, you answer a question with a question. What does Georgia or Ukraine have to do with it? The point is that this billion Azerbaijani currency is very, very needed by the Russian military-industrial complex. And since Azerbaijan is not an enemy of the Russian Federation (at least in the Kremlin), the sale of weapons will continue. It is only on this site that Azerbaijan is considered an enemy. The Kremlin does not think so.

[Bramb]

Quote: Bakht

For example, the Russian Federation recognized the referendum in Crimea and did not recognize the referendum in the Donbass.

Yes, how many times has it been said: these are DIFFERENT things! They can not be compared!
Crimea is an autonomous republic. LDNR - areas. If you don’t catch the difference, it’s better not to write.
And then in your opinion it turns out, I will vote with my family, and we will separate. Well, if it does not matter who votes.

[the finish]

You probably forgot, but Karabakh was also an autonomous republic!

[Bakht]

You probably do not know that Karabakh was NOT an autonomous republic. I do not consider the leapfrog of the 20s. The conflict began in 1987 and then Karabakh was an autonomous AREA within Azerbaijan.

[Bakht]

Great answer. Then you must understand the difference in the Karabakh events. NKAO stands for Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region.

So the decision to secede NKAO is illegal. Moreover, they voted depriving the voting rights of 40 Azerbaijanis of the NKAR. And this is almost 000% of the population.

[Bramb]

Quote: uran

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

volunteers

again the tales of grandmother Haykanush tell, the Armenians began to drive Azerbaijanis from Armenia back in 1987, if not earlier.

Well, why juggle the facts like this?
The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has been going on for 100 years !!!
And who is right - who is to blame - you won’t find it. Both sides are to blame. Cannons cannot resolve this conflict.
But if the Azerbaijanis so want to fight, then recapture the Armenian Ararat from the Turks. Show goodwill. So be reconciled. )

[Bakht]

Do you propose making peace with those who have seized our land? Go crazy, what are you going to read here ....

[Bruss]

I had a friend, an Azerbaijani, originally from Karabakh. He talked a lot about how he was bullied and called tork (Turk) at school! Before the first pogroms, they left, unable to withstand the pressure. He said that the Armenians were allowed to this land when their Turks began to press. After some time, there were many Armenians and they announced that it was their land.
Armenians claim that they always lived there. Here's how to figure it out? Who is right and who is not!
So, not everything is obvious here, not everything is black and white! There are a lot of nuances that we do not know about in Russia!
And do not be offended by all Russian. Many people confess sympathy on a religious basis!

[xasharat]

1) if they are so ancient, why do they have Turkic surnames in their names, at least half the population. For example, the president was Dyamirchyan - in our opinion Zhelezny, Kocharian - a nomad, Allahverdyan - God given. Is it difficult for the ancients with a surname?
Why is their alphabet similar to Ethiopian? Why are there 6000 Turkic words in their language? Why, when you ask them to show documents about their history beyond 100 years, they show nothing. Here the guys are sitting from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. They will confirm: the toponym is Armand, Herman, Armen, these are Turkic and in these countries (Turkic) Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan there are rivers and valleys called Armans. The cards contain the Armenian Minor and the Armenian Major, but what have the Armenians to do with it? They call this famous Armenia hayastan, and their people are haiks. Caucasian Albania, type in the search and their temples, then look at the Armenian, one to one. They will not be able to Armenize our Albanian heritage. Karabakh was founded by Panah Ali Khan. Our he is. And not the Armenians. Persian shahs were Türks. After 2 centuries, the Iranians began to rule Iran and not a large part of the Persian Empire. Please read about the Kashgayts and Kajars, who they are and their role in Persia. If anyone has a fact, let's sit down to discuss. I have a contract. Thank you very much to the State Archive of Russia. Good people shared. There are 2 gears. All facts. Armenia, this is a Russian project !!!! You gentlemen are the founders of the state. It all started with Peter.

2) there is a monument in Karabakh, the Armenians built. In honor of his residence in Karabakh, 150 years. As the war began in the 80s, they immediately removed this inscription. Hide want alienness. Here is a fact.

[Stavros]

So you are an Alban or Turk, you would decide in the end.

[Bakht]

The Azerbaijanian will not suit you? I am a staunch opponent of counting ancient roots after 200-300 years. The history of the South Caucasus is quite dramatic. There is not a single indigenous people, if we consider a couple of thousand years. Neither Armenians, nor Azerbaijanis nor Turks are the autochthons of this region.

The same goes for other nations. For example the Russians. For example L. Gumilev in his writings until 1480 calls the country Russia, and after the Battle of Kulikovo - Russia. He has a phrase somewhere that "the troops of Russia were leaving for the Kulikovo field, and the troops of Russia were returning."

Let's go back to the South Caucasus. Eurocentrism has been hammered into the heads of all of us. Here the war lasted 150 years. But who knows about this? We know the centenary war. The local population was destroyed, expelled, taken into slavery. There is a good book by Sumbatzade (his doctoral dissertation was published in the form of a book). It was published in Soviet times. So there is no politics there. Just research. Toponymy, linguistics, history. As a nation, Armenians and Azerbaijanis were formed by the end of the 19th century. And then the division of land began. The program of the Dashnaks party directly indicated that "every meter of Armenian land should be watered with the blood of a Turk."

It is no coincidence that we all lived without enmity until the beginning of the 20th century. And then it began. There is no self-determination. There is a banal division of the earth. And the Armenians need the most. They have territorial claims against Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey. To Iran, too, have, but so far they are silent. There must be at least some way out.

[Bakht]

I'm sorry, my fingers missed, but I did not check the text. The Battle of Kulikovo was in 1380.

[garnik64]

And you forgot about Lezgin and Talysh. Lek3338 read your koment, I hope. Why take it from the already renounced.
Young Azerbaijan also does not have a bad appetite, graters with Dagestan, Georgia, Armenia, Iran and even Turkmenistan because of the oil field.

[Bakht]

What graters? Are you writing nonsense again? In contrast to Armenia, where territorial claims are voiced at the state level, there are no "graters" in Azerbaijan. Not with Georgia, not with Iran, not with Dagestan, not with Turkmenistan. The division of the Caspian is a common problem and it is being solved peacefully. Territorial claims only from Armenia.

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

The same goes for other nations. For example the Russians. For example L. Gumilev in his writings until 1480 calls the country Russia, and after the Battle of Kulikovo - Russia. He has a phrase somewhere that “the troops of Russia were leaving for the Kulikovo field, and the troops of Russia were returning.

All Russia knows this storyteller, as well as Fomenko. They have common thoughts, but 90% of fairy tales and jokes

And finally. Your comrade has already added that the Turks ruled the Persians. Vrt you read and understand that the Armenians, that you invent fiction masters.

[Bakht]

Fomenko and Gumilyov are absolutely incomparable. Putting them side by side can be a person very superficially interested in history. What Persia, when? Give a link to the works of Gumilyov. Then you can discuss something

[co-creator]

Quote: Bakht

Fomenko and Gumilyov are absolutely incomparable.

I do not put near in depth the study of the topic and the approach to it. I am just saying that their theories are only, theories are no more. Moreover, based on a single platform, two completely different conclusions are made. Both of them are theoreticians and they also need to be treated. Choose who is closer. The same phrase quoted by you in any dispute is refuted at times.


Apparently ancient Persia. This is not Gumilyom wrote, but your fellow countryman above.

[Bakht]

Gumilev is a scientist. Orientalist. The most famous works. His conclusions may not be the ultimate truth, but as professional historians say, it’s hard to refute it.

I quote a fairly authoritative person. Who says what from amateurs is not so interesting to me. I am an amateur myself, so for me the opinion of a famous scientist is more important. So Gumilev is not a storyteller. Can you refute it - please. More venerable scientists did not always succeed.

[Qyomur]

Hmm ... masterpiece theories, but inferior to the legends and myths of ancient ukrov. What do Georgians call Georgia? Why is China in Russian and China in English? Some funny conclusions from your theory. If you don’t know why the Armenians call themselves Hay and Armenia Hayastan, then read the legend about Hayk and Bel. Your ignorance of the reasons for the formation of names is not a reason for the logical chain that you are stubbornly promoting here as truth.
As for the names. As elsewhere in the world, surnames of ordinary people were formed in connection with their activities or other distinctive features, as well as by the name of some outstanding person from the family. Many princely surnames have an ending other than "yang". For example, the ancient Armenian princely family of Amatuni. As for the names, names have always been coming ... all over the world by the way. For example, the rather modern name Arman ... Very popular in France, by the way. You can list a lot. So you are again in flight with your conclusions.
For the rest, just too lazy to print. Who is interested in history - Google knows everything.

[Bakht]

The conclusions are not mine but Armenian scientists. I can quote a lot of quotes. You just specify why the Armenians themselves do not call the country Armenia. This is a later name. And the legends ... Well, for example, a wolf fed Romulus and the Türks descended from a wolf. Also read the legend of Haik? Why do I need it? Do you trace your origin straight from Adam? Or from a monkey (no offense, according to Darwin). Can I also read the legends of Ancient Greece? There are many interesting things.

Does this change anything in modern politics? Or provides a rationale for some conclusions?

An example from the recent past. In one European country, a law on the purity of race was passed not so long ago. It was required to prove that in the fourth generation there were no impurities. It is approximately 100 years old. So then this law was recognized by the Tribunal as racist. 100 years is racism and fascism. What wilds are you calling me to?

Once again and to make it clear. Modern nations and states of the South Caucasus were formed at the beginning of the 20th century. And there is no point in going further.

Oh yes, last names. The ancient Armenian language (and this is one of the hallmarks of the people) died several centuries ago. Quotes from Armenian philologists can also be found. So those Armenians and today's Armenians are not the same thing. There are no direct heirs and cannot be. Surnames have Turkic roots. They have already written about this here. Even the famous Matenadaran has a Farsi sound.

This is all interesting, but unproductive.

[garnik64]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5cJNOKA_s0

[xasharat]

Greed and greed destroyed the Armenians.
1) they are the only people in the world who have land claims against all neighbors, including the south of Russia. Min of water, and in general that zone.

2) they are the only people in the world who are head over heels in the blood of their neighbors. Including Russia. (the first terrorist attack in the USSR in the subway, committed by an Armenian)

3) this is the only people in the world who can’t prove anything. They appropriate and Armenize Panah Ali of Khanovsky of Karabakh, and the Albanian prince Hassan JALAL, I repeat Hassan and not Ashot or Serge, Jalal and not Sargsyan or Petrosyan, it is Hassan Jalal who is the founder of Artsakh, but the Armenians will claim that he is. The Albanian language has a lot of Turkic relationships, but it looks more like Lezgi. And ask the Armenian, okay, Karabakh, let's say in Azerbaijani, means a black garden, or maybe Artsakh has a translation? The other day I learned a translation. Sunny forest in Armenian is Artsakh)))

True, when they came up with, I do not know. But Lezghins have very many words with the endings of the tsars of tsikh arz and so on. You can check ))))

4) let's say the Armenians had Arsakh Armenian and Hassan Jalal say Serzh Sargsyan, in what century was this? 7 or 9 ?????? I am for. Honestly, I am for. But provided that the whole world is redone for that era. Luserov I hope not in the person of my people saw?


Regards, Omar.

[garnik64]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5cJNOKA_s0
browse.

[Stavros]

I agree with you, the Armenians liberated their lands from the invaders. You still call your elder brothers of the Turks the heirs of Byzantium, and for more convincing add that the Turks built Constantinople.

[zollstab]

Quote: xasharat
"We have Russians at home" This was before 1990. And then people like you burst into their houses and it started ...

[Bakht]

Which Russians did they break into? Tell me, don't let me die in ignorance. What news do I find out about my hometown .... It seems that V. Pikul wrote "you can't just drink poison. You also need to take an antidote."

[Orakul2000]

Dear Bakhtiyar, I am very impressed by your argumentation in discussing this issue in historical terms. But after all, indisputable is the fact of the existence of Great Armenia, which reached its peak of power, headed by Tsar Tigran the Great, who occupied vast territories even during the time of the Roman Empire. Why weren’t they called Armenians?
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/bse/65085/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1
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Sincerely,
Boris

[Bakht]

Thanks for the kind words. Did I deny the existence of Greater Armenia? Yes, there was such a state. Buffer room between Parthia and Rome. The king was from the Parthian dynasty, and the Romans laid the crown on him. And what does that change?
To restore the ancient Parthia, Rome and Armenia to their former borders? No one in the world demands the restoration of ancient borders. In addition to ukrov and Armenians. This is not an argument, but the complete stupidity of shaking now with ancient cards.
The presence of Greater Armenia does not mean that the Armenians are the autochthons of the South Caucasus. At that time, a population census was conducted, demographic studies were carried out? These are all fairy tales and legends. No more. I already wrote. For 150 years there have been wars between the Caliphate and Khazaria. Arab troops reached the Don, the Khazar to Tabriz. The population was stolen and destroyed. The territory was inhabited by alien peoples. This is all interesting to historians, but modern politicians do not even consider it.
You can bring any cards. This is not an argument. Your map probably does not have Russia, France, Germany. There is not a single modern state. There is only Great Armenia. Should I consider this card? This is not a rhetorical, but a very specific question. Hand on heart, tell me, is this map an argument in the territorial dispute between modern Armenia and Azerbaijan?

[Bakht]

http://hpj.asj-oa.am/2568/

Who can translate? There is of course a translator. And I roughly know what is written there. But I would like to note that this is an exclusively Armenian source.

And here is what the Soviet historical encyclopedia writes

RANDA PEACE TREATY
an agreement between Rome on the one hand and Parthia and Armenia on the other. He was concluded in 62 after a long war, which ended with the defeat of Rome. troops led by C. Pete and their entourage in Rendezvous, near the city of Harberd (Harput). According to the agreement, the Romans were to leave the borders of Armenia, transferring to the Parthians (parmenians) fortresses and convoys; Parthian king Vologes agreed to send a delegation to Rome with a request to transfer the crown of Armenia to his brother Tiridat. After that, Vologes agreed with Rome. Viceroy D. Corbulon on the destruction of Rome. fortifications on the Euphrates and the withdrawal of Parthian troops from Armenia. In Rome, it was decided to provide the army and extraordinary powers to Corbulon to conduct new negotiations, which also took place in Rendezvous. Corbulon and Tiridat agree that Tiridat will receive the crown of Armenia from the hands of Nero. Tiridat traveled to Rome in 65-66 and, having received a crown, became the founder of the Arm dynasty. Arshakids.

Author Manandyan Y. A., Kritich. review of the history of the arm. people, t. 1, Er., 1944; Trever K.V., Essays on the History of Culture Armenia, M.-L., 1959.

As you see, the imperial dynasty of ancient Armenia had Parthian roots. If Parthia and Armenia are one and the same thing, then it is necessary to rewrite the whole of World History to please the Armenians.

[Orakul2000]

No, and absolutely not, in this regard, I Bakhtiyar absolutely agree with you. I have led this to the fact that it seems to me that you are questioning that modern Armenians are direct descendants of the ancient Armenians who inhabited this territory, as well as questioning their habitat. Correct me if I'm wrong. Regarding this conflict, I am deeply and absolutely convinced that my territories should not be ceded to anyone and never. I can now express an idea that many contemporaries can cut the ear a little, but as a believer, I believe that the Creator, Blessed be His name and All Acts, allocated a certain piece of land to each people, which this people should take care of and within which to live and develop . If this or that nation, loses some part of its land for one reason or another and agrees with this loss for some reason and does not try to return it, then that nation, the Creator, Blessed be His name and All Acts, is punished with general stagnation ! And this is punished (loss of territories and state fragmentation) most often for internal processes in society, not respect for one's neighbor, greed, hatred, envy, parasitism, bribery, laziness. What unfortunately happened to the Armenians throughout their centuries-old history.

Sincerely,
Boris.

[Bakht]

It seems to me that my position has long been known. I broke so many copies on this site that I am repeating myself.

I question the words "are direct descendants." It's so confusing. What territory was inhabited by the ancient Khai? Who drew the borders, Great Armenia of Tigran existed for only 15-20 years. So you can justify anything.

There are no "direct descendants of the ancient Armenians" in the world. As there are no direct descendants of Jews, Azerbaijanis or Russians. Civilization did not develop in a straight line. It's a spiral. And you will not find direct descendants of anyone. According to recent DNA tests, there are not even direct descendants of Eve. Scientists suggest the presence of 5 or 6 ancestors.

This is the common land of those who live here. And Armenians and Azerbaijanis and Tats and Kurds and Turks. And you can find a dozen more small nationalities. But this does not give the right to any one people to build their state on conquests. Modern peoples formed in the Middle Ages. National states in more or less modern borders by the 19th century. Some (e.g. Germany towards the end of the 19th century). Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia received their statehood at the beginning of the 20th century. And we must equip the territory that is now. Redefining borders will cause war. These are all common truths. And appealing to ancient maps, legends and traditions is a direct path to war.

As for your thoughts about the Almighty, I am a convinced atheist. Not in the sense that I simply deny. It's just that there is no Lord in my world order. As Laplace said, "I don't need this hypothesis."

[co-creator]

Quote: Orakul2000

Boris

Boris, who defined the creator of Crimea? Donbass to whom? Your theory simply refutes life itself.

[Bakht]

Bramb

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the finish

I am glad that we came to this issue. My main task, I see, is to debunk some myths and convey the truth to those who are still able to think and soberly evaluate facts.

One of the main myths is that the "people of Nagorno-Karabakh" voted in a single impulse to secede from Azerbaijan and join Armenia. So there is no "people of Nagorno-Karabakh". There were Armenians and Azerbaijanis living in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Armenians expelled the Azerbaijanis and deprived them of the right to vote, voted to secede. Received a refusal from the Center. The very fact of secession was declared illegal and unconstitutional. Not giving a damn about Moscow's decision, the Armenians unleashed terror and war in Armenia and Karabakh, expelled tens and hundreds of thousands of people. And now they appeal to some kind of justice they personally know.

All this bacchanalia began with the fact that Armenia decided to seize the lands that did not belong to it, and for this it had to destroy the USSR. Make-up came from abroad. The Arabo Legion was not born on the territory of Karabakh or even on the territory of Armenia. These Lebanese and Syrian Armenians led the massacre and terror under the leadership of Melkonyan. So the Karabakh conflict was unleashed by the enemies of the Soviet Union. And it’s still strange for me to hear the oaths of allegiance to the USSR and the support of separatism on the territory of the same USSR.

You already decide who you are.

[Bramb]

I am personally with reason.
And here you are - exactly with something else.

[garnik64]

I like the Russian Empire. From the soul, without any.

[Bakht]

Why did you destroy it? The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict gave rise to the collapse of the USSR. These are not my words, but a general opinion.

[Bramb]

Quote: Bakht

Do you propose making peace with those who have seized our land? Go crazy, what are you going to read here ....

At first I came up with a question, then I put it in to me and then I challenged it myself! He appointed me guilty. Are you out of your mind? Have you smoked anything?
About "your" land, you remind fleas arguing over whose dog it is.
Well, either indicate the criteria according to which the land should be considered "yours". And then. out, the Americans with the Angles tried and immediately shut up: they themselves had 99,99% of the territory in this way. And yes: you want to be killed on this earth, you, your wife, father, sons? And your whole family died somewhere xs where no one will ever remember. Just think: they will kill them, Armenia will win, and they won't even have a grave left. A very realistic option. Norm, huh? Are you ready for this? And for what?
Smoke less. Scientists have proven that smoking marijuana drains the brain and a person becomes dumber at times or hundreds of times due to the death of brain cells.

[Bakht]

But if the Azerbaijanis so want to fight, then recapture the Armenian Ararat from the Turks. Show goodwill. So be reconciled. )

Is this your phrase? Maybe I don't know Russian well? Who do you propose to "win back the Armenian Ararat from the Turks." And reconcile? Armenians or Azerbaijanis? So the question was not invented by me, but you blamed stupidity.

As for reason, you are right. I made a mistake. You have even less of it than I thought. That is, nothing at all. Explaining popularly for the hundred and first time. The conflict was not started by Azerbaijan. This is the Armenian quirk about Great Armenia "from sea to sea". At first I naively thought from Black to Caspian. But they explained to me on Armenian sites that it was from the Mediterranean to the Caspian.

You can safely not bite because of 4 pieces of rocky land in the Far East. Or, following the example of Chevy and Gorbi, give the Americans a few hundred thousand square kilometers of the marine economic zone. This is your business. We want the aggressor and occupier to get out of our land. Once again, I remind you too clever that this is not about the NKR, but about 6 regions of lowland Azerbaijan. Not cleaned? So much the worse for them.

Thanks for the advice. It seems that your brains have long withered out (I write to you because I received the same familiar letter).

PS By the way, did you understand the regions and republics?

[Shustov]

Armenians leave the whole south of Russia, it’s not yours, as many of you say. Azerbaijanis leave our markets do not spread Turkish products, let our summer residents calmly sell their fruits and vegetables. Go deal with each other.
And then you are experts in participating in corruption schemes in other countries and you can neither protect your poor countries nor make them rich. At the same time, take away Avakov from Ukraine.

[iouris]

This question can only be solved by a third force. Since the Russian Federation is the heir to the USSR, and the territories on which Azerbaijan and Armenia were located were formerly part of the USSR, the Kremlin must finally resolve the territorial dispute. Otherwise, the parties will endlessly fight and appeal to the United States and NATO.

[estixnumx]

I read it and looked fun it was mostly Armenians not from Armenia and Azerbaijanis not from Azerbaijan are fighting to death here.
1. Russia supplies weapons in Armenia on very favorable terms, and the main arms supplier to Azerbaijan is Ukraine.
2. In the NKR on the first day we were given a light from the RZSO, the losses were on the first day.
3.Since 03/04, a very serious group from the FSB of Russia was in Yerevan at their request, from Talish and Magadis to Stepanakert, were delivered the bodies of the killed Alakh wars, whose smoothly shaved but well-tanned faces were fingerprinted and checked intensively at the base. The results of this action were in the form of an informal drive of Lavrov to Baku and the beginning of military exercises of the Southern Federal District in the Astrakhan region. The result was Azerbaijan’s decision to go to the periphery for 48 hours and shot the rest whom we did not finish off. Therefore, small losses among the Azerbaijani armed forces. Those who returned from Turks Nakhichevan under the pretext of an attack on PKK troops finished off on the border with Iran.
4. There were strikes on settlements where there were no permanent deployment points. If we draw an analogy, this is the actions of Georgia on 08/08/2008.
5. The main problem of the Armenian Armed Forces is not the lack of technology, but the lack of re-training of reservists for a new one, as a result, there was simply no one to plant.
6. Howl on the topic where the Russians raised the Westerners after the Russians secured a truce. The sale of weapons to any country is the sovereign right of the Russian Federation. We have nothing to do with it ... They just always and everywhere have dissatisfied with everything and they were mainly at the embassy of the Russian Federation, by the way there were much more cops there. Therefore, about 300 people took off together. About 20 people circumvented the seizure and flocked to the embassy. Everyone was detained and taken to the police. All people are against NGOs who rallied in the summer.
7. According to the Crime against the civilian population, where that wild division such as Azerbaijanis broke through, this data is now being prepared for transmission by our SC and IWC to the OSCE Minsk Group.
As a result, the dry residue
1. Azerbaijan conducted a very effective test of new tactics and interaction, I do not use my personnel as cannon fodder. Specifically, Aliyev is a big plus. Among the dead, mostly technicians, these are tankers, signalmen, pilots, etc. And Turkey got rid of a certain number of bearded which the Russians and Assad squeezed out from Syria. By the way, a titer blood test of the dead shaved comrades showed the presence of narcotic drugs.
2. We are convinced that our people are still ready for a total war (honestly no one expected)
3. Now our jambs 1. Lack of cover by parts of electronic warfare of the peridovy areas. Only cities covered themselves, 2. Failure of reconnaissance in all areas (now there is a very serious debriefing for many people are asking for hats), 3. Insufficient equipment of our positions from the point of mine-explosive barriers and those controls.
In the end, we’re waiting for the second half with more blood. I look forward to the cons.

[ashot1973]

Well done, 100% answer to all questions !!!

[Uliss]

Thank you for the information. I found out something new. I explain a lot and put it in place. I could guess about the absence of electronic warfare. I can’t put a plus, because the new participant

[Tektor]

KMK, the settlement may involve compensation of the territories of Karabakh and around it to Azerbaijan from some future Turkish.