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Ambition orbit

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"The rivalry in space will always be"


Russia's space activities in the past 20 years have been limited to fulfilling international obligations to deliver astronauts to the ISS and promises to repeat a manned moon flight half a century after the Americans, Svetlana Savitskaya, the Deputy Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Defense, is disappointed. She shared with the “Military Industrial Courier” memories and assessments of the current state of the industry.

- Svetlana Evgenievna, how do you remember 12 of April of 1961?

- I was 12 years old. The fact that the first manned flight into space was successful and the Soviet pilot Yuri Gagarin returned to Earth safely, the class teacher told us. Of course, the feeling of joy and pride overwhelmed. It seemed that a new era was beginning. And it was a national sensation. The whole of Moscow participated in the spontaneous festivities. People carried homemade posters and banners. Everywhere music and songs were heard. Helicopters circled in the sky, scattered leaflets with a portrait of Gagarin in a flying helmet.

- How do you explain the special attention to the development of astronautics in those years in our country and the USA? The industry took a lot of money from the national economy. Were such expenses justified?

- If you look historythen interest in space exploration appeared at the end of the XIX century. We had the works of Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. He developed a scheme of flights using rockets and jet engines, calculated the basic formulas used in astronautics today. Parallel work in this direction was carried out in Germany, later in the United States.

The implementation of these ideas in the USSR began in 30-ies of the last century in Leningrad, in the gas-dynamic laboratory of Valentina Glushko and in Moscow, in the Group for the Study of Jet Propulsion under the leadership of Sergei Korolev. Then they merged. Talented scientists, designers and engineers gathered around them.

During the Great Patriotic War and after its end, the interests of creating military rockets and military jets took the first place. But the peaceful exploration of space in Soviet developments has always been present. In 1959, the interplanetary program was approved in the USSR. Three main goals were set: to carry out the first manned space missions, to build rockets and manned spacecraft to conquer interplanetary space, to create habitable stations on the planets. The ultimate goal was identified expeditions to Mars and Venus.

The launch of the Vostok spacecraft with Yuri Gagarin into orbit, and 6 in August of the same year with German Titov (he was in 25 space for hours and made 17 revolutions around the Earth) convincingly showed the world the superiority of Soviet science and technology. The United States realized that they were inferior to their geopolitical adversary, and began to actively stimulate the development of rocket technology. Began the rivalry of two superpowers in space.

- How was the international cooperation in the exploration of outer space? What was more - interaction or competition?

- The policy of the Cold War period, the tough confrontation of the two world systems prevented the pooling of efforts. Although such attempts on both sides in different years were made.

Ambition orbitThe beginning of the “space race” is the launch of our first satellite. Opinions differ on her graduation. Some believe that this is due to the Soviet-American program "Union" - "Apollo" in 1975 year. Then they talked a lot about detente in international relations, and this project was one of its manifestations. As is known, our Soyuz-19 and the American Apollo conducted an orbital docking, which enabled the astronauts of both countries to visit each other’s ships in flight and conduct joint experiments. However, the development of this project is not received and by the beginning of 80-x was minimized.

To a certain extent, the continuation of the “race” can be considered the creation of reusable space systems in our countries. In the US, the Space Shuttle, which has been put into regular operation since 1981. In the USSR - a very promising system "Energy" - "Buran". It passed unmanned tests, but in 1988, the program was frozen.

At present, in connection with the appearance of space programs by a number of countries, it can be said that new players have entered the competition for the exploration of near-Earth space. These are European states, China, Japan, India. At the same time, a cooperation program is being carried out: the International Space Station - the ISS has been created and has been operating for many years. Representatives of various countries take part in its work. The delivery of people and cargo there is carried out by Russian ships. But in my opinion, rivalry in space exploration has always been and will be, competition is the engine of scientific and technological progress, although it is determined in many respects by political motives.

- What is happening in the domestic astronautics after the collapse of the Soviet Union? How much does the state of our economy affect it?

- After the collapse of the USSR, the Yeltsin-Gaidar government closed most of the space projects, including Energia - Buran. Now our unique reusable spacecraft decorates the VDNH as a dumb reproach to those who destroyed the Soviet space program. Only from the beginning of this century the situation began to change gradually. The Federal Space Program was adopted at 2006 – 2015 years. Unfortunately, due to financial difficulties, a number of projects had to be abandoned or postponed to a later date. As Dmitry Rogozin explained: “Now we cannot afford to undermine the budget for the sake of cosmic ambitions — we have a little money and we are in a hostile environment. However, the USSR had no more money in 1945, and the former "allies" sagged atomic weapons. But after 12 years after the war, the first satellite was launched, and through 16 Gagarin and Titov flew into space. We have virtually nothing in the last 20 years, except for fulfilling international obligations to deliver astronauts to the ISS and promises to repeat half a century after the Americans, a manned mission to the moon.

Now after several transfers, the Federal Space Program of Russia for 2016 – 2025 (FKP-25) has been finalized and adopted. At the government meeting, the main priorities for the development of the industry for a ten-year period were announced. The delay in approval of the document is explained by the fact that the funds for the implementation of the planned projects are reduced. Separate events from the program have been removed or postponed. But in general, the government, according to its conclusion, managed to keep the main directions and adopt the document with some corrections. The volume of budget financing of FKP-25 is 1 trillion 406 billion rubles. At the same time, additional financing is provided after 2022 in the amount of 115 billion rubles. This is less than originally planned, which is natural, given the economic conditions, changes in the exchange rate and inflation in the country.

- What issues worry veterans of space conquest today?

- Probably, like everyone, the plight of the overwhelming majority of the population, the degradation of leading industries, the de-industrialization of the country, and the lack of confidence in the future.

As a positive fact, I note that our manned cosmonautics is derived from the subordination of various departments, including the Ministry of Defense. Today it is engaged in Roscosmos. This is a civil structure. It also included the Cosmonaut Training Center. This allowed to eliminate interdepartmental disunity, and sometimes the struggle, which only interfered with the cause. True, some attempts are being made to return the center to the structure of the Ministry of Defense. But according to the majority of veterans and even young people preparing for flights, this will be a movement in reverse, a return to what we have safely left.

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Svetlana Savitskaya - deputy of the State Duma of the II – VI convocations. Born in the family of a famous Soviet pilot, Marshal aviation E.K. Savitsky. She graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute, the Central Flight Technical School of DOSAAF, and the school of test pilots of Minaviaprom. In 1969-1977 she was a member of the USSR aerobatics team, the absolute world champion in 1970. Since 1976, she worked as a test pilot, mastered more than 20 types of aircraft. In August 1980, he was included in the cosmonaut corps. Twice - in 1982 and 1984 she participated in flights of the Salyut-7 orbital station. The only woman in the country twice Hero of the Soviet Union. In 1986, she defended a thesis of a candidate of technical sciences. The military rank is colonel.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 13 2016 15: 24
    +5
    Be that as it may, money must be invested in the army and space. The first is the country's security, the second is the future of the planet.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 13 2016 15: 27
      +8
      Quote: Spartanez300
      money must be invested in the army and space. The first is the security of the country, the second is the future of the planet.

      In the army, first of all, if there is not enough money for the army, then other countries may use the fruits of our space successes.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 13 2016 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: Vladimirets
        In the army in the first place,


        Naturally ... Although "manned space flights" were removed from the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense and became supposedly civilian, but the main impetus for their development was (and are) military interests ...

        If there were no army, in particular - the Strategic Missile Forces, there would be no manned flights ...
      2. Blondy
        Blondy April 13 2016 16: 20
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        In the army, first of all, if there is not enough money for the army, then other countries may use the fruits of our space successes.

        But we will not invest in space, firstly, they can fuck it up for us, and secondly, all the warm places will be occupied, they won’t let us go there, and thirdly, an increase in the scientific and technological backlog (as there are nerds, while you sleep others swing).
    2. cniza
      cniza April 13 2016 15: 30
      +6
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Be that as it may, money must be invested in the army and space. The first is the country's security, the second is the future of the planet.


      Yes, there are advanced technologies and science, and these developments are then always used for peaceful purposes.
      1. Dad lawyer
        Dad lawyer April 13 2016 16: 03
        +16
        You need to invest money in children, in their education and patriotism, as in the USSR ..... And we will be the first in everything!
        1. Uncle
          Uncle April 13 2016 16: 08
          +3
          If the photo is real, not editing, then it's just a miracle.
          1. Dad lawyer
            Dad lawyer April 13 2016 16: 29
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            If the photo is real, not editing, then it's just a miracle.

            The photo is real, but the point is not in costumes And IN THE EDUCATION of a new generation! Those who were born in the USSR will understand .. We were clearly educated, and everyone had equal opportunities ... hi
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    4. Portolan
      Portolan April 13 2016 16: 11
      0
      Comment of the famous Russian physicist and inventor, senior researcher, doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, professor Alexander Ivanovich Popov about the NTV broadcast "50 shades of Belov" taken off the air.

      The fact that Savitskaya and K are serving NASA is clear. (As with the CIA, I don’t know the facts). But what NASA serves is unambiguous.
      It would seem that if Savitskaya is true on your side, then you bring it to the audience in simple and understandable words. Instead, Savitskaya and her henchmen cosmonauts (drivers of special equipment - and nothing more) prefer loud demarches with a refusal to even discuss the topic. In essence, they demonstrate their own impotence. It’s good that Aldrin wasn’t with them yet. And then I would close up the hook for both filmmaker Elkhov and associate professor at VGIK Konovalov. Yes, Popov would have gotten if he had arrived.

      http://bolshoyforum.com/forum/index.php?page=929
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 11
        0
        Quote: Portolan
        Commentary by the famous Russian physicist and inventor, senior researcher, doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, professor Alexander Ivanovich Popov

        Who is this "famous Russian physicist and inventor" Popov? Another clown - an exposer! The talk show participants were outraged that they were trying to involve them in a deliberately anti-scientific discussion, started with one goal: to create a scandal at any cost, while ignoring the real facts. In protest, some of the guests of the program, among whom were cosmonauts Svetlana Savitskaya, Sergei Krikalev and Valery Tokarev, left the studio, promising not to cross its threshold at all. In parting, Svetlana Savitskaya forbade the use of footage already taken with her participation in the program.
        1. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho April 13 2016 22: 08
          0
          Who is this "famous Russian physicist and inventor" Popov?
          Doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, if that. At a minimum, knows how to make calculations.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 14 2016 06: 00
            -1
            Quote: Ajent Cho
            At least able to make calculations

            Attention! wink
          2. Portolan
            Portolan April 14 2016 07: 05
            -1
            Quote: Ajent Cho
            Doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, if that. At a minimum, knows how to make calculations.
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            Yes, they all know these podpin_dosniki, Alexander Popov has long been known as a whistle-blower of the American Moon crap, and as for our astronauts from Arkhipich to Savitskaya, all this cooperation with the enemy smells disgusting and bad.
    5. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 13 2016 17: 43
      -1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The first is the country's security


      Absolutely right. If we ourselves do not invest in our own security, then they will invest in us according to the most hello. hi
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 13 2016 15: 28
    +2
    The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?
    1. Fregate
      Fregate April 13 2016 15: 32
      +4
      This is what kind of power you need a charge for all states to fly to the moon ?! laughing
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 13 2016 16: 00
        +4
        Quote: Fregate
        It how much power do you need a charge for all states to fly to the moon ?!


        For an irrevocable flight, probably half the world would have thrown itself at such a charge ...
    2. Muvka
      Muvka April 13 2016 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?

      Let's not argue, just give us the facts. :) One thing confuses me simply. Why did they take the flag? Why not leave? It would be 100% proof that cannot be refuted. Or did they have a tissue deficit in the country? That is why it was necessary to take it?
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 13 2016 16: 21
        +2
        Quote: Muvka
        Let's not argue, just give us the facts

        Speaking of the states, I do not mean the country, but the astronauts, I probably all understood this, but I want to pin it. And the facts ... Do the Shtatovs have facts that they flew?
        You just need to turn on your head.
        1. States fought a war with Vietnam, an expensive one I must say.
        2. They did not have engines capable of raising the mass of the returned module.
        3. The soil, allegedly brought from the Moon, was inaccessible to other countries, at least as proof that they had really been there.
        4. The lunar program was curtailed by both the states and the USSR, which can only be said about one thing - an agreement was reached between governments that we were the first to go into space, the first states on the moon.
        5. But really, where is the flag on the moon? Ah, they brought it back as a souvenir! No, if they had installed it, it would still have stood.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 13 2016 16: 42
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          Quote: Muvka
          Let's not argue, just give us the facts

          Speaking of the states, I do not mean the country, but the astronauts, I probably all understood this, but I want to pin it. And the facts ... Do the Shtatovs have facts that they flew?
          You just need to turn on your head.
          1. States fought a war with Vietnam, an expensive one I must say.
          2. They did not have engines capable of raising the mass of the returned module.
          3. The soil, allegedly brought from the Moon, was inaccessible to other countries, at least as proof that they had really been there.
          4. The lunar program was curtailed by both the states and the USSR, which can only be said about one thing - an agreement was reached between governments that we were the first to go into space, the first states on the moon.
          5. But really, where is the flag on the moon? Ah, they brought it back as a souvenir! No, if they had installed it, it would still have stood.

          So I misunderstood your first comment. We are talking about the same thing that they did not fly. And by the way, I didn’t seem to joke about all the states :)
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik April 13 2016 17: 09
            0
            Quote: Muvka
            I didn’t seem to be kidding about all the states

            This is not for you, next to the comment, at the same time answered.
        2. DREDD
          DREDD April 13 2016 17: 22
          0
          If suddenly, by some miracle, the United States admits that it did not fly to the moon, then the thrust of the incandescent gases generated by my "bombing" "fifth point" will be enough for me to fly to it myself. Since we have to admit that the Brezhnev USSR was completely controlled by the will of the United States.
        3. gergi
          gergi April 13 2016 18: 43
          -1
          I am sure that flying to the moon is a bluff, a hoax. Yes, just like all the other continuous lies and shameless monotonous lies. They cannot exist otherwise.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 30
        0
        On the moon, launch platforms remained from the Apollo ships.
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk April 13 2016 17: 55
          +4
          "To be, to be" - as Raikin said. There is a photo of the "Lunokhod" on the Moon and the landing module "Luna-16". And there is no photo of the Apollo lunar modules.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 22
            +1
            Quote: 16112014nk
            no photo of Apollo lunar modules.

            This stuff is full on the Internet, too lazy to look?
            The picture shows the lunar vehicle (LRV) and the lunar module (LM). .
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 15
        +1
        Quote: Muvka
        Why did they take the flag? Why not leave?

        NASA experts said that images taken with the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) spacecraft show that five of the six flags left by lunar expeditions are still in place. Only the very first flag left by the Apollo 11 historical expedition was not found. Flight participant Buzz Aldrin, in his book Return to Earth, recalls that when the lunar module detached from the landing pylons, he noticed the flag fall under the influence of the jet thrust of the engines.
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        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 13 2016 20: 43
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          images taken with the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) spacecraft show that five of the six flags left by the lunar expeditions are still in place.

          Location Apollo 17.
          (cry)
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A April 15 2016 03: 08
            +3
            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: Bayonet
            images taken with the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) spacecraft show that five of the six flags left by the lunar expeditions are still in place.

            Location Apollo 17.
            (cry)

            Since when has the Martian region of Sidonia, photographed in 1976, become the site of the landing of Apollo 17 on the Moon in 1972? Whose photo-toad?

            Nishtyak "proof" of a trip to the moon. In a purely American style ... Maybe Apollo 17 missed the Moon and accidentally flew to Mars, leaving the American flag there? laughing
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 13 2016 15: 34
      +6
      Quote: EvgNik
      The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?

      I won’t even argue ...

      The launch of the spacecraft, steps on the "Moon", a radio signal from the "Moon" and other American "testimonies" (for some reason, the "Jehovah's Witnesses" immediately come to mind - also not the most honest and harmless company) - this is not yet a flight to the Moon ....
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 32
        0
        No, this was a flight to the moon
    4. gamer
      gamer April 13 2016 16: 22
      +7
      Iron evidence has been found that Americans have never been to the moon. There are still no MacDonalds. laughing
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 13 2016 16: 30
        +2
        Quote: igorek
        Iron evidence has been found that Americans have never been to the moon. There are still no MacDonalds. laughing

        The argument is true to all 100! Only one clarification - not a single glass from Kaka-Cola, not a single packet from their chambers. Because in our city, for example, McDonald's is there, but around it is clean, if people eat something on the go, they throw garbage into the bins, and they clean it. And in America it’s not customary to look for the urn - they throw it under your feet.

        So on the moon should not be McDonald's, but garbage from him. Then - were ...
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        2. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 16 2016 10: 43
          0
          If only garbage ...
          http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ugoCuo1h-I8/TtsXPo0sgRI/AAAAAAAAAE8/fEERx0rRUhU/s1600/
          moonrocket + launcher.jpg
    5. volot-voin
      volot-voin April 13 2016 16: 32
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?

      If ours fly to the moon, they will be there first. The USSR sent Gagarin to Space, and the USA shot a film about the Moon with disappointment. I must admit that they knew how to make films in those years. Not that now, ridiculously with their political correspondence, they are moving away from reality.
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 16 2016 10: 15
        0
        Rather, they flew with our help (how the ISS was built with our help and we take them there) and now they are bred for provocation. As if you don’t know these guanoids ... The USSR unofficially helped them fly there because Saturn + Apollo was built mainly on Soviet technologies transferred by the Khrushchevites to the USA, after which they gradually abandoned their Titan-2 + Gemini.
        And there was also such a "moon Gemini", for the sake of which this program in general was made yes
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    6. Starik. 47
      Starik. 47 April 13 2016 18: 57
      +1
      I will not argue but! In various interviews with our astronauts (two or three times) he himself heard their allegations that the Americans were on the moon.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 14 2016 06: 56
        +2
        Quote: Starik. 47
        In various interviews with our astronauts (two or three times) he himself heard their allegations that the Americans were on the moon.

        Leonov said. I understand that in matters of outer space Leonov is more informed than all of us taken together. But Leonov, because the spotlight did not keep the Americans on the moon. Where is the guarantee that they did not cheat him like the whole world? He considers the evidence that Armstrong told him about his flight? Doubtful evidence.
        Edwin Baz Aldrin beat a television journalist on a live television interview in Los Angeles. He was interviewed by TV presenter Bart Seabrel, categorically refusing to believe that the moon landing actually took place. Cibrel invited Aldrin to swear on the Holy Scriptures that he really was on the moon. The journalist poked Aldrin several times with a heavy book. The great astronaut showed that in his 72 years he is in excellent physical shape. Aldrin very sensitively beat the 37-year-old Sibrel ... Cibrel complained that he had tried to make six astronauts - participants of the "lunar program" - swear on the Bible, but not one wanted to do this
        Why do you think so?
    7. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 12
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?

      Let the fools argue! hi
    8. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho April 13 2016 22: 08
      0
      The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?
      Why argue with the obvious?
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  3. engineer74
    engineer74 April 13 2016 15: 30
    +2
    The article is sensible, but you have to tear off your hands by the pictures! On "Buran" there should be a flag of the USSR, and on the moon, if we get there, the Soviet Flag would be more appropriate ...
    IMHO
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 13 2016 15: 50
      +4
      I don’t think it was an accident at the expense of the flag ... there’s still

      - How do you explain the special attention to the development of astronautics in those years in our country and the USA? The industry took a lot of money from the national economy. Were such expenses justified?

      Space brought profit to the national economy, and not small, but almost all manned and unmanned astronautics was "conversion" - they flew on slightly converted rockets, life support systems from the Air Force and from submariners
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 April 13 2016 16: 03
        +1
        Now shopping and entertainment centers bring profit, and high technologies and, moreover, space for HSE chicks is too difficult and too long! Therefore, in Photoshop you can even hang the coat of arms of the House of Romanov, but on the hardware, in all fairness, the flag should be Soviet!
        IMHO
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 13 2016 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: FooFighter
        almost all manned and unmanned astronautics were "conversion" - they flew on slightly modified rockets

        So it was. I served in missile defense and our missiles were almost a complete copy of the rocket on which Gagarin flew.
        Yes, but the article is a plus.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 37
          +2
          Quote: EvgNik
          I served in missile defense and our missiles were almost a complete copy of the rocket on which Gagarin flew.

          R-7 is a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile. On the basis of the R-7, a whole family of medium-class launch vehicles was created, which made a great contribution to space exploration - many satellites, starting with the very first ones, were launched into space on the launch vehicles of the R-7 family, and all Soviet and Russian cosmonauts, starting with the first cosmonaut of the Earth Yu. A. Gagarin. "Seven" has never been used in the missile defense system. In the early sixties, the first V-1000 antimissiles appeared, but they had nothing to do with the R-7.
  4. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 13 2016 15: 37
    +5
    the plight of the vast majority of the population, the degradation of leading industries, the de-industrialization of the country, the lack of confidence in the future.

    very accurate assessment of our reality ...
  5. krops777
    krops777 April 13 2016 15: 58
    +1
    Quote: EvgNik
    The states did not fly to the moon. Bet?


    I will add that as soon as cosmonauts land on the moon from some country (not the USA), the whole truth will be revealed.
    1. gamer
      gamer April 13 2016 16: 35
      +2
      What actually found on the moon?
      Empty packs of cigarettes Belomorkanal. tongue
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 13 2016 17: 12
        0
        Quote: igorek
        Empty packs of cigarettes ”Belomorkanal

        Igor, child, do you smoke Belomorkanal? Throw this byak immediately.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 36
      +1
      Reality can be shown even faster in 2018 - 2020, a probe will be sent to the moon so that with high resolution it can take off the places where the Apollo ships have landed.
    3. 16112014nk
      16112014nk April 13 2016 18: 04
      -3
      Ameriko.sosy will lay down with bones, they will not allow anyone to squabble them before, so that their scam will not be revealed. And then fairy tales will be told that the sleepwalkers destroyed the traces of their stay.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 32
        +1
        And there weren’t any scams - they really flew more than once.
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk April 13 2016 22: 11
          0
          You seem to be a U.S. apologist.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 14 2016 00: 18
            0
            There is simply no realist and refuting the obvious is stupid. And do not tell me if it was a shooting - where they found such a giant film set - there will be the same height in the background of 6-7 kilometers.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 14 2016 06: 25
      0
      Quote: krops777
      I will add that as soon as cosmonauts land on the moon from some country (not the USA), the whole truth will be revealed.

      And what then will all sorts of Mukhins, Popovs and others sing ... smile
  6. pavelty
    pavelty April 13 2016 16: 00
    +1
    Today I just read how many contingencies there were in Gagarin’s flight, here’s the heroic mankind, flew, flew, flew, endured, it is clear that little depended on him (everything automatically happened), but it’s still scary ...))
    1. dmikras
      dmikras April 13 2016 19: 39
      0
      He didn’t even have a pulse; that was a man!
  7. demiurg
    demiurg April 13 2016 16: 02
    +4
    That’s why a little about space, so immediately manned flights to Mars or the Moon? And despite the progress, we do not need a composite ship. We need a super rocket lifting 100-150-200 tons, an integral ship at once. They remember Buran with nostalgia, but they forget how much money was spent on it, on an unnecessary return shuttle carrying 20-25 tons each. And the real benefit of it, it is only the Zenith. Create modular ships, what prevents it? The ISS weighs 417 tons, specifically looked. The old Proton / young Angara easily throws 25-35 tons of various modules into the orbit. 4 modules, flight to the moon. 10-15 modules and those who wish to Mars with things to the launch pad.
    And in general, a good half of our planet is located at depths of more than 3 kilometers, and there were fewer people there than in space.
    1. gamer
      gamer April 13 2016 16: 39
      +1
      Americans are going to land on Mars ...
      Almost everything is ready for them - the film crew, the scenery ...
      It remains only to cut out the rocket and rub the brick ... repeat Sorry, just a good mood !!!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 38
        +1
        This landing will be on-line - they will definitely not be able to fake anything there.
      2. 16112014nk
        16112014nk April 13 2016 18: 09
        0
        In the film "Capricorn - 1" has already flown once. The rocket burned out on its return, and everyone is alive. So it is with the moon.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 33
          +1
          You watch more feature films.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 49
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            You watch more feature films.

            Engineer Los, back in the twenties of the last century, drove from Petrograd to Mars in a rocket built in a barn on Zhdanovskaya Embankment 11. And he muddied the revolution there! ... If you believe the film "Aelita" wink
  8. tol100v
    tol100v April 13 2016 16: 06
    +2
    It's not about ambitions, but about the real capabilities of the country. The Buran project was closed. For what reasons is another question. But the project itself was very beneficial. Dozens of technologies were developed and created that have no analogues even now. And these technologies helped Russia survive in the difficult nineties and two thousandths! But there are more and more questions regarding the Lunar Program of the SGA! What "super-duper" engines did they use to fly to the moon if they are still buying Russian RD-180s? It turns out that the Russian cosmonautics stands on its own feet, without Hollywood props!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 45
      0
      And what do you compare our RD 180 with F 1 in the USA, a whole line of other engines, and compare them with them - all the more so RD 180 was not created for heavy rockets.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 13 2016 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Tol100v
      What "super duper" engines they flew to the moon,

      On the superfood F-1. Until today, the F-1 is the most powerful single-chamber rocket engine ever used on a rocket launcher in flight. In absolute power it was surpassed by the Soviet RD-170/171 rocket engine, used on the Energia launch vehicle and still in use on the Zenit launch vehicle; while RD-170/171 is a 4-chamber engine.
      F-1 at the U.S. Huntsville Space Rocket Center.
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 16 2016 09: 32
        0
        it’s not necessary to lie, the RD-170 is more powerful and at the same time many times more reliable
        and this one in the museum costs like so much more

        generally lied around in their comments
  9. beer-youk
    beer-youk April 13 2016 16: 31
    -4
    What ambitions are we talking about? Suppose, hypothetically, they hacked supplies of RD-180. The ambitions of the United States turned, well, if zero, rather a negative value. The influx of minds from China, India and the Soviet Union ended 10 years ago, and their MacDowns are not capable of anything except selfies. And what kind of ambitions are we talking about? In the space industry in the next 20 years, competition is possible only from China. The United States has long been firmly on the sidelines.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 50
      +1
      The United States has long been firmly on the sidelines. - Dragon spaceship
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 53
      0
      Spaceship Dragon V2
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 17: 55
      +1
      Orion spaceship
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 00
      +1
      Starliner Spaceship - The first flight is scheduled for 2017.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 06
      +1
      The reusable spaceship Dream Chaser - an analogue of our Bor 4
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 08
      +4
      Orbital aircraft Boeing X-37
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    8. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 16
      0
      Superheavy rocket SLS analogue of Saturn rocket 5 first flight in 2018
    9. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2016 18: 21
      +3
      This year in the United States the world's largest airplane will take off - as you can see, the United States has more than enough ambitions, but on account of the fact that "the United States has long been firmly on the sidelines" - you probably confused this with Roscosmos.
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho April 13 2016 22: 04
        -4
        US ambitions are more than enough
        You have listed so many hotel wishes and so few facts that have come to pass ... And yet the nndos draw a lot of cartoons on the subject of space. Impressions - the sea, but in fact - zilch.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 14 2016 00: 27
          +1
          For you - everything that I listed has already been created in metal and is already flying or will fly before the end of this decade - and in fact, unlike the Wishlist of our Roskosmos, their Wishlist is being implemented and is being completed.
          1. Ajent cho
            Ajent cho April 14 2016 01: 05
            -1
            all that I have listed is already created in metal and is already flying or will fly before the end of this decade
            Wait and see. But life shows us that sshans much more advertise than they do.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 14 2016 10: 11
              +2
              To advertise something, you must first do something.
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        3. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 16 2016 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: Ajent Cho
          US ambitions are more than enough
          You have listed so many Wishlist and so few facts come true ...

          and also put you a minus laughing
          they have such a job
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 13 2016 16: 56
    +1
    5.09.2015
    Yuri Karash

    The boiling of passions, at least in the media, about RD-180 gradually subsided.
    The United States has a two-year supply of Russian engines, and the Air Force and the United Launch Alliance (ULA) company, which operates Delta-4 and Atlas-5 rockets (the latter uses RD-180) , have already asked Congress to soften the tough demand put forward by lawmakers: “After 2019 of the year - no RD-180! "American rockets that launch payloads into space in the interests of national security will fly only on American engines."

    “Our engine is likely to be ready for the 2019 year, and it is likely that it will have completed a successful flight by this time,” the ULA and the Air Force told Congress. - But after all, flying once and being certified for regular operation is not the same thing. Therefore, it’s good that we have the opportunity to purchase a batch of RD-180 for use after the 2019 year. ”

    The Chamber of Deputies, in principle, is ready to consider this option and has even pledged funds for this kind of purchase into the draft budget for the 2016 year. However, the Senate Committee on Armed Forces is adamant: 2019 is the deadline! Especially since Russia made it clear: if she and will continue to deliver to the US RD-180, then only for use on those launch vehicles Atlas-5 which will launch exclusively civilian payloads into space.
    1. Portolan
      Portolan April 13 2016 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Moreover, Russia made it clear that if it will continue to supply the RD-180 to the United States, it will only be used on Atlas-5 launch vehicles that will launch exclusively civilian payloads into space.


      Do you think that the Americans will report which satellite they launched civilian or combatant?
      1. corporal
        corporal April 13 2016 18: 48
        0
        Quote: Portolan
        Do you think that the Americans will report which satellite they launched civilian or combatant?

        Sifted at times.
        We have already chewed on this topic more than once. OEK "Window".
  11. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 13 2016 17: 19
    -1
    Someone is encrypted, he does not get out, but shoves the cons, it seems that the shtatovtsy are crap. Guys whom I could fix for the pros.
  12. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 13 2016 18: 39
    0
    About a promising nuclear engine and flight to Mars, not a word. What is it for?
  13. Old26
    Old26 April 13 2016 19: 17
    +4
    Quote: EvgNik
    So it was. I served in missile defense and our missiles were almost a complete copy of the rocket on which Gagarin flew.

    Yah??? And what missile in the missile defense system was almost an exact copy of Gagarin ???

    Quote: krops777
    I will add that as soon as cosmonauts land on the moon from some country (not the USA), the whole truth will be revealed.

    On the network, you can already find a photo from a Chinese satellite that took pictures of the moon and landing sites. Also photoshop? Surveyor PSB made in Hollywood workshops?

    Thousands of people involved in the lunar program and who knew what and how with one stroke of the pen of two crazy writers who made a name for themselves in conspiracy theories (Mukhin and Popov) were included in the category of traitors to the motherland and accomplices of the imperialists.

    Double standards - we admire the first person to go into space, then we consider him a bastard and a traitor, dancing to the tune of the United States.
    TIRED !!!!!!!!

    Tired of reading the ravings of individuals, cheers-patriots who believe that the USSR could do everything, Americans - nothing ...
    Two powers, competing, went nostril to nostril. And why some programs were closed for some reason, they are considered not from the point of view of realities, but exclusively from conspiracy theories. It seems that they know about world history, the history of astronautics exclusively on Wikipedia
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 13 2016 20: 05
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      It seems that they know about world history, the history of astronautics exclusively on Wikipedia

      If they even looked there sometimes, it would be PROGRESS !!! yes
    2. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho April 13 2016 22: 01
      0
      Double standards - we admire the first person to go into space, then we consider him a bastard and a traitor, dancing to the tune of the United States.
      You apparently do not understand the meaning of double standards. The fact that the First Man in Open Space became a traitor does not interfere with the admiration of his act. Well - do not forget that thousands of people worked on the Exit, whose role in this matter is difficult to overestimate.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 14 2016 06: 49
        0
        Quote: Ajent Cho
        From the fact that the First man in Open Space became a traitor,

        And you probably attribute yourself to the pride of the nation? lol
        1. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho April 14 2016 10: 08
          -1
          And you probably attribute yourself to the pride of the nation?
          You are now focusing on me. What for? I just express my opinion about the man whose early exploits inspired. But all the more painful, in the future, the betrayal by this man of his people, who believed Hero so much, responded.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 14 2016 15: 12
            0
            Quote: Ajent Cho
            You are now focusing on me. What for?

            You consider it possible to insult our astronauts by calling them traitors. I consider those who do this to be traitors!
            You can hate Americans, you can not believe their accomplishments in outer space (yes, even where), but publicly call the traitors the heroes of the astronauts, whose feat is valued by the whole world - it’s just mean to not only them, but also our country!
            1. Ajent cho
              Ajent cho April 15 2016 13: 10
              -2
              You consider it possible to insult our astronauts by calling them traitors.
              There was a man a Hero, then he sold himself to the undos. What is this if not a betrayal? The man who betrayed the people who believed him is a traitor. Where is the insult?
              This is not the first case and not the last, why should you deceive yourself?
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet April 16 2016 17: 32
                +1
                Quote: Ajent Cho
                There was a man a Hero, then he sold himself to the undos. What is this if not a betrayal?

                Who sold out? Did the court decide this? I see only your rudeness and slander against a distinguished person! You can answer for this in court as well, though it’s true to mess with this ... they will not, purely out of a sense of disgust.
                1. Ajent cho
                  Ajent cho April 17 2016 11: 58
                  0
                  Did the court decide this?
                  It is the people who decide, and I am part of it. You can silence a person, but to be a national hero you need to be clean in your actions and thoughts. What Leonov has not observed for a long time.
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            3. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 16 2016 09: 45
              0
              Whose is it of ours? Now you here zeppellin bombers in reproach to "Ilya Muromets" crookedly praise, then suddenly put the F-1 above the RD-170, then give primacy to the drawn Convair 200 and not the flying Yaks, from which they were allegedly copied and not vice versa F-35 from them laughing
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet April 16 2016 17: 35
                -1
                Quote: FooFighter
                Then you here zeppellin bombers in reproach to "Ilya Muromets" crookedly praise
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 19 2016 02: 02
                  0
                  Anyone will follow your comments on these topics in your profile and understand what you are systematically doing here.
                  And after that, you still write that you have nothing to do with the US Air Force ... because you have a relationship with the Navy ILC.
  14. Sergg
    Sergg April 13 2016 21: 33
    0
    When the Americans curtailed their lunar program (then it was technically IMPOSSIBLE to visit the moon and the United States could not solve complex technical problems), the USSR received huge loans for the development of our economy, markets for our oil appeared, etc. - this is a payment for our silence, I I believe that the USSR did the right thing, since sooner or later the truth about the nonexistent flight to the moon of the United States will be fully proved, it is now clear to sane people that there were no Americans on the moon.
  15. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 13 2016 21: 53
    -2
    promises to repeat a manned flight to the moon half a century after the Americans
    In the sense - to curl in front of the cameras in the studio? Thanks, we’ll manage.
  16. NordUral
    NordUral April 13 2016 23: 24
    +1
    As Dmitry Rogozin explained: “Now we cannot afford to undermine the budget for space ambitions - we have little money and we are in a hostile environment.”
    That is why space is not worth sparing money. The threat from there, from orbit, is increasing.
  17. kmv.km
    kmv.km April 14 2016 04: 16
    0
    NO PROMISES OF FANTASTIC SHIT - Hollywood is enough! Bases on the Moon, A manned flight to Mars, and a flight to Alpha Centauri too - let the Golden Billion do it !!! Maybe EXHAUST (die) in the end, but I doubt however ...

    "Finish" - Modify GLONASS, I apologize for "finishing", if not right!

    Ensure the operation of the satellites of the Missile Attack Warning System !!!

    Provide a minimum level of providing the Army with satellite intelligence, no matter how hard it is because of sanctions, no matter how America goes ahead in the electronic technology plan !!!

    Complete these three minimal tasks !!!

    As far as I understand, even the "effective managers" did not succeed PROSRATT SOVIET-KOROLYOV-SOVIET HERITAGE, as this brings "REAL BABLO" in terms of delivery to orbit "ovsky" cargo and human material ... At least something.
    That is, with great need, great desire and will, having three cosmodromes, sufficiently long manned space flights and the creation of an independent orbital station for Russia also remain POSSIBLE !!!

    Perhaps NOT EVERYTHING IS LOST, as one wants to BELIEVE in it !!!
  18. zllllo
    zllllo April 14 2016 13: 55
    0
    Simple word Radiation. Who respects physics, he understands what will result in prolonged exposure of the body.
    http://chemanalytica.com/book/novyy_spravochnik_khimika_i_tekhnologa/11_radioakt
    ivnye_veshchestva_vrednye_veshchestva_gigienicheskie_normativy / 5154
    here in numbers.
    Monkeys launched by NASA died in 10 days.
    Astronauts flew in a tin can, without protection.
    Perhaps they are some kind of special. Probably in lead underpants.
  19. Old26
    Old26 April 14 2016 19: 12
    +2
    Quote: Ajent Cho
    You apparently do not understand the meaning of double standards. The fact that the First Man in Open Space became a traitor does not interfere with the admiration of his act. Well - do not forget that thousands of people worked on the Exit, whose role in this matter is difficult to overestimate.

    No, I understand perfectly. But thanks to two scribes, Aleksei Arkhipovich, the first man to go into outer space, twice the Hero in the face of supporters of the conspiracy version of Mukhin-Popov (the first, by the way, is now under investigation for anti-state activities) became almost a traitor to the interests of the USSR, a US puppet dancing to their tune .
    And why? Yes, simply because this person is in reality KNEW about all the details of the flight of the Americans, KNEWthat the Americans were on the moon and there is evidence of this in the form of kilometers of film, in the form of tens of thousands of photographs.
    And some here BELIEVEthat Americans have never been to the moon. And this is enough to be accused of almost treason.
    And the fact that hundreds and thousands of Soviet scientists were studying the soil that was passed on to us by the Americans - adherents of the theory of the lunar scam omit, or they say that the soil is falsified. And do not care that the academic institutions have done a great job comparing the soil - for adherents of conspiracy theory this is nothing. They again record these people in betrayal and claim that they are henchmen of the Americans

    Quote: kmv.km
    Perhaps NOT EVERYTHING IS LOST, as one wants to BELIEVE in it !!!

    Perhaps not all is lost, and I want to believe it, but in space exploration we rolled back to HZ which place. True, everything seems glamorous from the outside. Our pride is regularly warmed up for us, saying that without us space exploration would be inhibited. Which is only thanks to us ....
    I’m only afraid that the hangover will be difficult and, like that old man, we may be left with nothing ...
    I would not want to believe in such an outcome, but alas, the prospects are far from bright
    1. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho April 15 2016 22: 36
      0
      And some here BELIEVE that the Americans were never on the moon.
      My dear, you need to prove what has been done, but not vice versa. In fact: F-1 engines are fake, lunar soil - no, filmed film - no. And there is no need to slip this disgrace, called "photographs of the Apollo landing sites" with such a resolution, as if they were filmed not 50, but 50000 kilometers before the objects.
      And after (but not the last one!): Explain why the moon is gray with normal color rendering in the photo?
  20. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 19 2016 02: 35
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    this is evidence in the form of kilometers of film, in the form of tens of thousands of photographs.
    Can you tell me where the originals of these kilometers of film are? and then the comrades tried several times to get access to them and in response - "lost". You see, these same ORIGINAL kilometers of film were LOST, possibly capturing one of the most important events in the history of mankind! request

    Quote: Old26
    And the fact that hundreds and thousands of Soviet scientists were studying the soil that was passed on to us by the Americans - adherents of the theory of the lunar scam omit, or they say that the soil is falsified. And do not care that academic institutions have done a great job comparing the soil - for adherents of conspiracy theory this is nothing.
    Do you really think that huge scientific institutes cannot write in the final report what they are ordered to write? laughing