Scouting fight

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The aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh showed weaknesses on both sides

Nagorno-Karabakh is a fairly closed territory, and the discourse on the quality of fortifications created by the NKR Defense Army over the 22 of the year were mainly theoretical. Recent events have allowed to evaluate all that has been created during this time.

The command of the army of defense (AO) of Nagorno-Karabakh was taken as the basis for the Israeli experience of organizing in case of a possible invasion of Syria in the Golan Heights region. At the same time, the positions as a whole were placed and strengthened in the manner prescribed in the Soviet manuals on engineering support and combat regulations.

NKR JSC paid great attention to facilities for tanks (both single cars and entire units). They, playing the role of moving firing points, became the basis of defense. Equipped positions allow you to quickly change the location, if necessary, and then come back.

Equally important was the preparation for action in the conditions of superiority of the enemy in the air. Defensive positions were filled with air defense systems, in particular, MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns ZU-23-2. Shooting at aerial targets were trained not only for large-caliber machine guns, but also for RPG-7, which proved to be highly effective in the fight against helicopters.

Initially, Azerbaijan was preparing to break into the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh, successively capturing each line of fortifications with assault infantry groups under cover of continuous massive artillery fire, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, as well as strikes aviation. Such a scenario fully satisfied the enemy - the NKR and the armed forces of Armenia. It is clear that the Azerbaijani military, bogging down the assault on defensive positions and incurring significant losses in personnel and equipment, could hardly capture the whole of Nagorno-Karabakh in the two-week plans laid down in combat plans.

Bid on technique


But at the end of 2000-s, Baku drastically changed its strategy, deciding not to arrange bloody battles for insignificant trenches and heights, but to inflict fire on the enemy to the entire depth of its defense, isolating the forward positions from the rear and quickly destroying them separately.

Scouting fightTo solve this problem, Azerbaijan has begun serious purchases of weapons and military equipment. In particular, long-range self-propelled howitzers MSTA-S, 120-mm 2C31 “Vienna” and heavy flame-thrower systems were purchased in Russia. Baku purchased various artillery systems from the Russian Federation, Israel and even Turkey, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles, including such exotic ones as the one-time Khamop kamikaze.

One of the most expensive acquisitions was the Israeli anti-tank missile system Spike-NLOS (Spike-NLOS - non line of sight, hitting targets out of sight) capable of destroying armored vehicles, various buildings and field fortifications over a distance of 20 kilometers. The purchase of "Spikes", however, like the "Kharopov", was kept by Baku as a great military secret. So there is still no exact information on how many units of each system appeared in the army.

The leadership of Azerbaijan paid serious attention to armored vehicles, in particular the purchase of T-90 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3. Judging by the video footage taken by the national television at the exercises, the military planned to use Russian vehicles as mobile firing points operating behind the combat formations of the infantry and stripping enemy positions with the help of not only high-explosive shells, but also tank guided missiles and anti-tank missiles.

Azerbaijani special forces received modern means of communication, equipment, means of protection and night vision devices. The main task of the commando was the adjustment of artillery fire in the rear of the enemy and night storming of fortified positions. Special Forces officers were appointed not only to take the object, but also to hold it with the support of artillery and military helicopters. Such tasks were worked out constantly, the interaction of special divisions with pilots and artillerymen was established at a sufficiently high level.

Plans and realities


The April battles developed according to the standard scenario for local conflicts. After the shootings, the situation on the front line began to deteriorate, and at some point one of the parties decided to strike. It is still not entirely clear exactly who went to the aggravation. But it cannot be denied that it was Baku who managed to pull up additional forces in advance, transfer helicopters to temporary sites and create a sufficiently strong artillery fist. In the night from 1 to 2 in April, the Azerbaijani military launched an offensive, using accumulated reserves.

In the area of ​​the village of Talysh, in the north of the buffer zone, Azerbaijani commandos with a surprise attack took several Armenian positions. Another group of special forces entered directly into the settlement, where it came into contact with the fighters of the NKR.

Already after the end of the conflict, photographs of civilians killed during a night battle in the village became public knowledge. The Armenian side accuses the Azerbaijanis of deliberately shooting down the civilian population, as well as mocking the dead and the living. At the same time, photographic documents suggest that the commando attack was so sudden that the civilians did not have time to leave the battle zone, and the Armenian military could not repel the enemy’s attack.

True, the special forces in Talysh were not lucky - the superior forces of the defending enemy and the loss of the element of surprise forced them to move away. But on departure, the commandos came under fire from an automatic grenade launcher and were destroyed. According to other sources, pressed by fire, they were covered with mortars.

The actions of the special forces supported the Mi-24G helicopters (Gebe, Azerbaidzhan - “Night” - this is the name of the Super Hind helicopters in the Azerbaijani Air Force) from the 1 squadron “SkyWolf”. According to the available information, the squadron as a whole consists of six “twenty-fourths” who had undergone modernization, painted in the characteristic black color. It is the “heavenly wolves” who constantly work out joint actions with the special forces, for which they received the semi-official name of the “special operations squadron”.

At the positions of the NKR AO, recaptured by the commandos at night, units of the Azerbaijani infantry were supposed to approach in the morning. Covered movement, blocked enemy positions and prevented the approach of reserves by artillery, the fire of which was corrected Drones. But the Azerbaijani infantrymen, faced with shelling from the side of the uncaptured Armenian positions, could not change the commandos in time, who were forced to repulse the attacks of the NKR AO fighters early in the morning of April 2 in the light of the sun.

In local counterattacks, the special forces, having lost some of the previously occupied positions, still managed to hold several key heights. But the Azerbaijani military had to use the helicopters of the 1 squadron, one of which, the Mi-24G, was hit by an accurate shot from the RPG-7. Immediately after this loss, the command of the Azerbaijani Air Force suspended all flights in the battle zone.

The artillery involved by Baku, the drones, the long-range Spike anti-tank guided missile system showed themselves well, if they didn’t disrupt the enemy, seriously hampering the transfer of reserves and organizing counterattacks to the enemy. In particular, on the account of the shock of the Israeli "Haropov" bus with the Armenian military, as well as the likely liquidation of the battalion headquarters of the NKR joint-stock company. “Spikes” destroyed at least three Armenian tanks, and directly on the caponiers, from where they tried to bombard positions occupied by Azerbaijanis. Most likely, the targets were detected with the help of UAVs, which transmitted the image and coordinates directly to the ATGM calculation.

In order to prevent the NKR reserves from approaching possible nominations, Azerbaijan’s MLRS Smerch, Grad, 122-mm howitzer D-30, SAU 2С3, and also, according to some, 152-mm 2С19 attacked. The Karabakh artillery actively joined the fire confrontation, trying, first of all, to help its units, who were striving to return the positions lost at night from 1 to 2 in April.

But despite all the efforts of the NKR fighters, the Azerbaijani military managed to hold their positions until the cease-fire decision, which became the subject of national pride and loud statements by the military-political leadership of the country.

We should also dwell on the use of tanks by both sides. There was no wall-to-wall fighting during the transient conflict. Both sides used tanks as mobile firing points. A unit of Azerbaijani armored vehicles hit a mine, and several Armenian T-72, as stated above, were victims of artillery and long-range "Spikes"

Toys are expensive now


The April battles showed the army of Nagorno-Karabakh that it was much more difficult to hold out for the appointed two weeks. Tanks as a basis, even operating in well-trained positions, are victims of long-range "Spikes" and conventional artillery. It should be noted that Baku did not use the most formidable attack weapon against fortifications - heavy flamethrower systems "Solntsepek", which, as experience shows in Syria, even well-fortified bunkers can do.

Long-range howitzers and MLRSs, whose actions were corrected by drones, in mountainous terrain, where the number of possible approaches to the reserves approach is limited, although they did not paralyze efforts, they created serious difficulties for the NKR command.

It was the continuous strikes of artillery and long-range ATGM on the positions of the NKR units that did not allow the command of the defense army of Nagorno-Karabakh to accumulate enough funds to dislodge the Azerbaijanis from their positions.

But not everything is so smooth for the armed forces of Baku. Their weak link traditionally remains personnel, especially in the infantry. Even the unarmed fire of Armenian units stopped its movement in the morning of April 2.

In the battles, the high-moral qualities did not always demonstrate the units of the Azerbaijani special forces. In particular, the departure from the village of Talysh was more like an escape.

Yes, due to a higher technical level, the Azerbaijani military were able to achieve some success. But the question arises about the price of victory. For four days, in fact, local battles for several heights of Baku spent quite a lot of expensive "toys", in particular, the Kharop long-range Spike missile. This is not counting the shot ammunition for the MLRS and howitzers. One Mi-24G helicopter and several UAVs have been lost. So the stake of the NKR leadership on the in-depth training of their servicemen for fighting air targets turned out to be justified. "Twenty-fourth" shot down an accurate shot from an RPG, while the UAVs were victims of small-arms fire, ZU-23-2 and large-caliber machine guns.

The experience of the April battles showed: Azerbaijan has found a way to get out of the positional impasse in Nagorno-Karabakh, but such hostilities require very serious material resources and high-tech weapons. But even the use of WTO and artillery does not relieve the Azerbaijani military from the need to take the stance of a well-motivated enemy with much higher moral and volitional qualities and ready to conduct close combat to the last.
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  1. 0
    April 16 2016 05: 01
    "Intelligence by fighting" ... but in the Caucasus it does not happen otherwise bully
    1. +40
      April 16 2016 05: 20
      What about the clash ... the Armenians forgot to win the war in Karabakh of the 90s. Underestimation of the enemy comes sideways always and without exception. Serious losses in the ranks of Armenian soldiers on the conscience of the snickering and dizzy with nostalgia for the past victories of the command. Although I and the Azerbaijani ... but I also sympathize with the mothers of the enemy soldiers. The Armenians also howl for the truth ... their own truth. And we have our own truth.
      1. +23
        April 16 2016 08: 00
        But what did the Azerbaijanis achieve in particular ???
        So many years of preparation, so much money spent ...
        A sudden attack and, in fact, a very local success.
        No army of the world can, and does not want to keep all lines of defense, everywhere
        Azerbaijan laid out its trump cards.
        The second time they will not play.
        1. +20
          April 16 2016 08: 37
          But what did the Azerbaijanis achieve in particular ???

          For Azerbaijan, this attack was of purely political significance. At one time they suffered a very significant defeat, and all these years the population has required revenge. In the period of oil abundance, a lot of money was invested in the army, the whole country lived on this fix idea. In fact, for Aliyev it was an inevitable decision, the question was when. Then he gladly went to a truce, as the political tasks were completed: they let off steam, enthusiastically telling the population about the victories of the Azerbaijani army.
          1. +9
            April 16 2016 15: 13
            Quote: Nikolai K
            they let off steam, enthusiastically telling the population about the victories of the Azerbaijani army.

            But the population will ask, probably: what is it, the cities and villages of Karabakh who remained behind?
            What the hell victory? Now the Armenians will simply strengthen the defense, find a way by electronic warfare, camouflage, etc. successfully counteract the WTO models, they are completely mined by dangerous directions, and the political process has been abandoned.
            Do Azerbaijanis want war? This is unlikely, but with this approach they will get it and not at all victorious. They also isolate themselves from the EAEU Yes But oil is cheap now.
            Since they don’t like Armenians so much, it’s necessary to find a compromise and share the world, and not fool yourself with the hope of Victoria.
        2. -17
          April 16 2016 08: 51
          Quote: Olezhek
          But what did the Azerbaijanis achieve in particular ???
          So many years of preparation, so much money spent ...
          A sudden attack and, in fact, a very local success.
          No army of the world can, and does not want to keep all lines of defense, everywhere
          Azerbaijan laid out its trump cards.
          The second time they will not play.


          Do you think that you’re sitting on our general staff? Or did they send you a plan for the operation to capture Yerevan, but were they able to capture a couple of knolls? The Armenians were biased towards us. and the USSR in 0. I do not wish the Armenians to see our trump cards ... this will turn into darkness for them.
          1. -3
            April 16 2016 13: 18
            How much is known from the media Ohanyan threatened to use the Iskander ....
            1. +13
              April 16 2016 14: 19
              I didn’t read about the Iskanders, but after the words of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry that they would fire at Stepanakert, the Armenians warned that they would hit the pipeline in response, after which everything slowed down.
              1. +5
                April 16 2016 14: 27
                Quote: Stavros
                I didn’t read about the Iskanders, but after the words of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry that they would fire at Stepanakert, the Armenians warned that they would hit the pipeline in response, after which everything slowed down.

                And for what B-T-D. where are the shareholders
                The pipeline is owned by the international consortium BTC Co, its shareholders are BP (30,1%), State Oil Company of Azerbaijan (SOCAR) (25%), Unocal (8,9%), Statoil (8,7%), TPAO (6,5 , 5%), Eni (3,4%), Itochu (2,5%), ConocoPhillips (2,5%), Inpex (5%), Total (2,4%) and Amerada Hess (1%) [ XNUMX].
                Where is Kazakhstan oil transported?
                1. +10
                  April 16 2016 15: 37
                  Do you think that in the event of a large-scale war, the Armenians will calmly watch how Baku pumps oil?
                  1. +2
                    April 16 2016 15: 48
                    Quote: Stavros
                    Do you think that in the event of a large-scale war, the Armenians will calmly watch how Baku pumps oil?

                    The list of shareholders has been seen, more than one Armenian lobby will not help. And given that the pipeline was considered as a possible route, and until now, Russian oil in the event of "unpredictable situations" in the form of sanctions. Although it seemed that Russian oil was turning into Kazakh.
                    1. +7
                      April 16 2016 16: 20
                      The list of shareholders was seen, not one Armenian lobby will help. And if we consider that the pipeline was considered as a possible route


                      You don’t know the Armenians well: you’ll snag it - they will grind both the oil pipeline and oil mines ...
                      1. 0
                        April 16 2016 16: 26
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        You don’t know the Armenians well: they’ll snag it - they will grind both the oil pipeline and oil mines ..

                        Yes, I know ...
                    2. +5
                      April 16 2016 16: 36
                      And what does the lobby have to do with it? The thing is that the shareholders absolutely do not need a war, the grandmothers are flowing, why do they need a bogeyman? BP Alieva herself will gobble up if she interferes.
                2. +1
                  April 16 2016 16: 00
                  In war as in war ...
                  1. +2
                    April 16 2016 16: 17
                    Quote: finish
                    the finish

                    They will do so that you will take out the "fig."
              2. +5
                April 16 2016 18: 05
                Quote: Stavros
                I didn’t read about the Iskanders, but after the words of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry that they would fire at Stepanakert, the Armenians warned that they would hit the pipeline in response, after which everything slowed down.

                Armenia does not have iskanders yet. But they could strike with Scuds, but there is one small nuance-Scud with low-precision weapons, and you still have to try to get into the oil pipeline. From Scud you can get a maximum to a big city. Anywhere it can.

                Well, let's say they hit the oil pipeline. An emergency blocking instantly stops the pumping of oil, a good team will eliminate it all in a maximum of 10 days. Do you think the pipeline’s stopping will solve anything? But there will be such a hemorrhoids, you will have to answer to joint-stock companies
                1. +8
                  April 16 2016 19: 57
                  Quote: lonely
                  Well, let's say they hit the oil pipeline. An emergency blocking instantly stops the pumping of oil, a good team will eliminate all this in a maximum of 10 days. Do you think the pipeline’s shutdown will solve anything?

                  Stopping the pipeline even for a few hours is already a lot of money. A sudden stop for 10 days, and even with unclear prospects for the timing (what if they fall again?) Will entail, in addition, large technological costs, up to shutting down and mothbaling the wells.
                  Hemorrhoids will really not be weak. And the answer to the shareholders will be held primarily by the leadership of Azerbaijan. Indeed, despite the problems with transit due to Ukraine, they are asking Gazprom for the execution of contracts. And Armenia, as far as I know, has nothing to do with oil transit, it has warned of intentions. So the shareholders will have all questions and complaints to Azerbaijan.
                2. +1
                  April 18 2016 12: 43
                  Emergency recovery points (WUAs) repair damage to pipelines in a much shorter period than 10 days. Usually in 2-3 days, as worked in such an organization.
              3. wax
                +4
                April 17 2016 20: 29
                I think that the strongest argument of strategic importance is the possibility of recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh. If not only Armenia, but also the Russian Federation recognizes, the NK problem will go beyond the competence of Azerbaijan, and so will Armenia. By the way, during the conflict, the Americans said that NK’s right to self-determination was taken into account.
                1. +3
                  April 17 2016 21: 33
                  The enemy Yankees have voiced the right to self-determination of NK, and allied Russia still does not "know" who aggravated the situation on the border of NK.
        3. +4
          April 16 2016 12: 03
          But I had to "read" this opinion: today "several hundred meters" ... tomorrow "several hundred meters" ... the day after tomorrow ....... So the "Azerbaijanis" will chop off half of Karabakh! and the whole of Karabakh!
        4. +6
          April 16 2016 17: 59
          Quote: Olezhek
          So many years of preparation, so much money spent ...
          A sudden attack and, in fact, a very local success.

          An attack by forces of 2 motorized rifle brigades with reinforced artillery divisions that completed brigade level tasks, capturing fortified heights in the north and south. In essence, no one was going to present this attack as a large-scale attack.

          Quote: Olezhek
          Azerbaijan laid out its trump cards.


          Completely incorrect assessment. Only a couple of percent of the entire firepower of the army was used. Besides the kamikaze drones, nothing new or unknown was shown.
          1. +2
            April 16 2016 18: 03
            Quote: lonely
            In addition to kamikaze drones, nothing new or unknown is shown.

            "Work" Spikes. There is something to think about.
            1. +2
              April 16 2016 18: 26
              Quote: marshes
              There is something to think about.

              About drones kamkadze, by the way that I saw.
              I found a goal, and the engine, at all power, I think the kerosene diesel engine, is torn.
              Why not make a solid fuel accelerator so that the BB turns into a rocket, those that have warhead mass, more than 20-30 ... kg.
            2. +6
              April 16 2016 18: 27
              Quote: marshes
              "Work" Spikes. There is something to think about.

              We bought spikes officially and this was spoken and written about everywhere.
              1. 0
                April 16 2016 18: 40
                Quote: lonely
                We bought spikes officially and this was spoken and written about everywhere.

                So I'm on the acquisition of our military department.
            3. +3
              April 16 2016 18: 28
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: lonely
              In addition to kamikaze drones, nothing new or unknown is shown.

              "Work" Spikes. There is something to think about.


              The question is whether the Armenians will change their minds or continue to quarrel ...
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 11: 25
                [quote = HERMES] I. [/ quote]

                The question is whether the Armenians will change their minds or continue to quarrel ... [/ quote]
                You have this mutual.
                Moreover, the Russians were killed there and there.

                In Russia, both Azerbaijanis and Armenians get along.
                Sentence:
                As moral compensation for the murders of the Russian population, transfer to the NKAO of the Russian Federation.
          2. +3
            April 17 2016 21: 51
            They broke through the breach, but could not gain a foothold. Otherwise, they would have taken Mardakert and the Sarsang reservoir, where they were torn. It was conceived beautifully, but the performance is not quite.

            The Armenian side also has trump cards. It was not necessary to stop the invasion, but to put an end to it. Only on the territory of the aggressor.
        5. -1
          April 16 2016 18: 14
          Quote: Olezhek
          But what did the Azerbaijanis achieve in particular ???


          Especially for you
        6. +1
          April 16 2016 18: 56
          We tested the technique. Increased motivation for the future. The next round I'm afraid will bring big problems to the Armenians.
      2. +7
        April 16 2016 08: 41
        on the conscience of snickering and drugged with nostalgia for past victories of command.
        I apologize, but what is your command? Hungry for nonexistent victories?
        1. -2
          April 16 2016 08: 54
          Quote: 72jora72
          on the conscience of snickering and drugged with nostalgia for past victories of command.
          I apologize, but what is your command? Hungry for nonexistent victories?


          Everything happens for the first time ... Armenians forget about it. They will remember for a long time, they love history ...
          1. +1
            April 16 2016 20: 03
            It’s good that ours didn’t let this old man in NKR; he offered to evacuate women and children from NKR to the rest to give out weapons to strike a tank and die in the NKR beautifully taking more of yours. In general, he is a good man of the old Soviet school.
            1. +1
              April 17 2016 16: 14
              He organized a very respected general to capture Shushi. In many ways he is right, sooner or later he will have to fulfill his proposal. In vain they stopped the war, there is no hiding from it. This is a temporary lull. Armenia, I am sure that it can defeat Azerbaijan, but after a few years you don’t know how will develop.
      3. -2
        April 18 2016 10: 31
        It seems to me that in Karabakh they are fighting not for the truth, but for national "show-off".
        True, there can be only one - a peaceful, good-neighborly and calm life.
    2. +4
      April 17 2016 01: 05
      > The experience of the April battles has shown: Azerbaijan has found a way out of the positional deadlock in Nagorno-Karabakh

      author yap, which does not know reality. And the reality is that there was an exchange of territories - how much was given in one place, so much was taken in another.

      in fact, the author does not know the course of hostilities, because no one has canceled the secrecy of hostilities. Everything he said is only his assumptions
      1. -3
        April 17 2016 09: 10
        Quote: xtur
        author yap, which does not know reality. And the reality is that there was an exchange of territories - how much was given in one place, so much was taken in another.


        Dreams Dreams. Now their tactical defeat in two areas is justified in this way.
        1. +2
          April 17 2016 11: 08
          > Dreams, dreams. Now their tactical defeat in two sectors is justified in this way.

          firstly, according to the stories of people living in the NKR, this is exactly the situation (exchange of territories that are not meaningful from a military point of view), and secondly, officials of our Armenian state say exactly that. And the stories of local residents for me will be more important and the statements of the leaders of the state and more important will be the statements of various journalists
          1. -2
            April 17 2016 15: 11
            Quote: xtur
            firstly, according to the stories of people living in the NKR, this is exactly the situation (exchange of territories that are not meaningful from a military point of view), and secondly, officials of our Armenian state say exactly that. And the stories of local residents for me will be more important and the statements of the leaders of the state and more important will be the statements of various journalists


            Arthur, you can tell anything. You can also declare anything. But in real life things are completely different. In the South, the most important heights have been lost. In the north too. But about the exchange you have incorrect information. There were no exchanges of territories. And yet - nobody counterattacks for almost two days, losing people and military equipment
    3. +1
      April 18 2016 01: 03
      What's so good about that?
      "A true victory can only be won by peaceful means, simply because there has never been and cannot be truth in anger and rage."
      In 597 BC e. the troops of the two ancient Chinese kingdoms, Chu and Jin, fought in a big battle, and the Chu warriors completely defeated the enemy. Advisers to the Chu tsar immediately suggested that he erect a tower on the site of the battle in memory of the victory, but the tsar answered them: “You do not understand what“ war ”means. In a letter, this word consists of the signs “spear” and “stop”. To be belligerent means to prevent violence, put aside weapons, do not lose your greatness, spread peace in the country and increase the well-being of people. And now because of me, the bodies of the warriors of the two kingdoms lie in the field, for I have used violence. Because of me, a weapon was bared, for I did not allow it to be put aside. And if I allowed to draw weapons and use violence, can I maintain my greatness? I went against the will of many people - how can I spread peace in the country? I have benefited from the hardships and sufferings of others - how can I say that I have increased their well-being? No, it’s better to erect an altar here in order to offer sacrifices to our glorious ancestors and declare to them of my deeds. We will stop at this, for what I have done is not a real victory. ”

      All the settlements mentioned in the article are familiar to me. As if only yesterday it was all ... Stepanakert, Shusha, Askeran, Agdam, Lachin, Martuni, Mardakert, Fizuli, Umutlu ... bl
      ok-posts, patrols, escorts, cars disfigured on the roads, blown up bridges ... Alazani and 100-mm town-houses ... killed shepherds, stolen cattle, burned houses, trade in corpses, tens of thousands of refugees who lost everything ...
      People, when will you realize that they just cynically have you, talking about your "exclusivity" ... to each about his ...

      He served in the 366th naval and military medical service in Stepanakert.
  2. +2
    April 16 2016 05: 07
    Here is the video of the destruction of the NKR tanks:
    ... apparently by kamikaze UAV strikes. Unlucky guys, to be honest ... "a bird flew" from heaven to head ...
    1. +10
      April 16 2016 08: 06
      Quote: HERMES
      Here is the video of the destruction of the NKR tanks:
      ... apparently by kamikaze UAV strikes. Unlucky guys, to be honest ... "a bird flew" from heaven to head ...

      No, this is Spike. It is not for nothing that in the Russian segment of ATGMs it is referred to as "roof-fighters". In general, out of 14 tanks recognized by the Armenian side, 12 are "Spikes". On account of long-range "NLOS" and on account of those in infantry formations "LR" with a range of up to 8 km 6 more pieces. In my opinion, "Harop" was not used very competently. Of the 6 goals voiced, only two were of real value. Battalion headquarters and 122mm Armenian gun battery positions. The hunt for transport rather exerted psychological pressure than caused real damage to the Armenians.
      1. -4
        April 16 2016 08: 58
        Quote: Aaron Zawi

        No, this is Spike. It is not for nothing that in the Russian segment of ATGMs it is referred to as "roof-fighters". In general, out of 14 tanks recognized by the Armenian side, 12 are "Spikes". On account of long-range "NLOS" and on account of those in infantry formations "LR" with a range of up to 8 km 6 more pieces. In my opinion, "Harop" was not used very competently. Of the 6 goals voiced, only two were of real value. Battalion headquarters and 122mm Armenian gun battery positions. The hunt for transport rather exerted psychological pressure than caused real damage to the Armenians.


        A total of 20 burnt Armenian tanks only officially and only Israeli weapons.
        Good thing I say this "Spike" of yours ... any armored vehicle is an easy target for such an ATGM. Are they expensive?
        1. +5
          April 16 2016 09: 01
          Quote: HERMES
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          No, this is Spike. It is not for nothing that in the Russian segment of ATGMs it is referred to as "roof-fighters". In general, out of 14 tanks recognized by the Armenian side, 12 are "Spikes".


          Good thing I say this "Spike" of yours ... any armored vehicle is an easy target for such an ATGM. Are they expensive?

          Not cheap.
          1. +8
            April 16 2016 09: 48
            Not cheap


            Comrades Jews! Well, who so promotes your product!
            It is a shame!
            1. +9
              April 16 2016 10: 43
              Quote: Olezhek

              Comrades Jews! Well, who so promotes your product!
              It is a shame!

              Well, we are all the same at the military-historical forum, but at the forum of Petrosyan. Today, the cost of the longest-range missile in the Spike-NLOS system is $ 145. Closer-range missiles are cheaper, but not by much.
              1. +5
                April 16 2016 12: 36
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Today, the cost of the longest-range missile in the Spike-NLOS system is $ 145. Closer-range missiles are cheaper, but not by much.

                The price is acceptable, given that on average the T-72 tank, from one and a half lyam to three lyam killed raccoons, I judge by the estimated cost of burnt tanks from the fire at home.
              2. 0
                April 16 2016 12: 39
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Today, the cost of the longest-range missile in the Spike-NLOS system is $ 145. Close-range missiles are cheaper, but not much

                Hmm with such prices you will not fight for a long time. if you beat on individual tanks. By the way, for all the time of application there were misses of this system?
                1. +3
                  April 16 2016 12: 51
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Today, the cost of the longest-range missile in the Spike-NLOS system is $ 145. Close-range missiles are cheaper, but not much

                  Hmm with such prices you will not fight for a long time. if you beat on individual tanks. By the way, for all the time of application there were misses of this system?

                  Which is cheaper than 1000 Spikes or 200 tanks? As for the misses, there probably are. I have no data on the number of "Spikes" used by Azerbaijanis. According to information published in Israel, the IDF has a very high percentage of target destruction from the first missile. On average, 3-4 missiles are spent on three targets.
                  1. +2
                    April 16 2016 13: 06
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    According to information published in Israel, in the IDF, the percentage of target destruction from the first missile is very high. On average, 3-4 missiles are spent on three targets.

                    Not bad.
            2. 0
              April 17 2016 21: 57
              They will soon sell to Bandera. Nothing personal is a business.
          2. +2
            April 16 2016 13: 24
            250 thousand $ Spike 90 Javelin and 30 Russian Cornet.
          3. 0
            April 18 2016 10: 38
            I wonder what is cheaper - spike or special shells developed by the U.Koreans for their B. Panther-2? In Turks, this system seems to have also gone to Altai.
        2. +4
          April 16 2016 10: 15
          A total of 20 burnt Armenian tanks only officially and only Israeli weapons.
          And where do you get such numbers, sources do not disclose? Here Azarmia lost 18 tanks, and there is infa on them ...
          1. +4
            April 16 2016 10: 35
            Quote: 72jora72
            ] And where do you get such numbers, sources do not disclose? Here Azarmia lost 18 tanks, and there is infa on them ...

            Today, only one of the destroyed Azerbaijani tanks is known.
            1. +5
              April 16 2016 12: 06
              Well, in hot pursuit, it was still - 2. Now alone, it is very similar to counting the losses of Jewish armored vehicles. In general, unfortunately, not one of the parties presented credible data.
            2. +1
              April 16 2016 13: 07
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Aaron Zawi

              Sholom smile
              Do you happen to develop "shots" for the RPG-7 with high-explosive fragmentation remote blasting?
            3. +4
              April 16 2016 13: 28
              Don’t tell my slippers. With such a mutual mess and 1 tank (and they say it is a mine). And yesterday in Armenia they awarded soldiers who shot down 2 helicopters and soldiers who knocked out 5 tanks from an outdated bassoon.
              1. +5
                April 16 2016 13: 46
                .With such a mutual mess and 1 tank (and they say it in a mine)


                One, of course, is unlikely. But the losses of Azerbaijanis in tanks are not great because of the way they are used. They only supported fire infantry from afar. In such a situation, it is difficult to get tanks even from anti-tank systems, and the borders are generally useless.
                Also, judging by the fact that part of the positions remained in the hands of the Azerbaijanis, in spite of the almost two-day counterattacks, the interaction of artillery with the field troops was not very well set by the Armenians. In the Donbass, the successes of the militias everywhere were achieved by the movement behind the fire shaft. Where it succeeded, there was success. In such a situation, the destruction of the MLRS is quite doubtful. Since counter-battery fighting is a very technological type of combat, if simpler schemes have not been worked out, then ... although, stupidly on the ground, Azerbaijanis could have missed the Armenian UAV, which gave the coordinates for counter-battery shooting and did not change position on time.
                1. +2
                  April 16 2016 16: 23
                  Also, judging by the fact that part of the positions remained in the hands of Azerbaijanis, in spite of almost two-day counterattacks, the Armenians are not very well placed in the interaction of artillery with field troops.


                  Azerbaijanis were stupidly more: artillery soldier of tanks of shells ...
                  Plus they had the advantage of surprise.
                  The second time the same trick is not a ride.
                  1. -1
                    April 16 2016 23: 03
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    Also, judging by the fact that part of the positions remained in the hands of Azerbaijanis, in spite of almost two-day counterattacks, the Armenians are not very well placed in the interaction of artillery with field troops.


                    Azerbaijanis were stupidly more: artillery soldier of tanks of shells ...
                    Plus they had the advantage of surprise.
                    The second time the same trick is not a ride.


                    I am beginning to doubt your competence in military matters ...
                  2. +1
                    April 17 2016 01: 31
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    The second time the same trick is not a ride.

                    Hmm-ah? Well, okay ... in this case, reality provided a chance for a future "test for lice" ... or could not! Could the "Azerbaijanis" and "collapse" Karabakh, like the Croats of Serbian Krajina "some time ago"! Well, we missed it this time .... then "catch up!" - not the best thing!
              2. +5
                April 16 2016 13: 48
                The relatively high losses of tanks by the Armenians were caused not by the perfection of the equipment of the Azerbaijanis, or rather not only, but by the way they were used as mobile firing points in infantry orders for its protection and support both in defense (which once again speaks of low interaction with artillery) and on the offensive. In such a situation, Armenians will have less personnel losses, and more in technology, and vice versa, Azerbaijanis, retaining iron, lost more people.
                1. -2
                  April 16 2016 16: 31
                  Azerbaijan officially lost 31. The Armenians officially 91 if not mistaken. If you do not believe. If you tell me where the info comes from. So the deputy defense of Armenia himself wrote. You can also read the names on his Facebook page. Find hot evidence that Azerbaijan has more rubbed.
                  1. +1
                    April 16 2016 16: 40
                    http://razm.info/ru/8393
                    90 azeri
                    Taken and reprinted from the blog of an Azerbaijani journalist living in Germany and not under the yoke of censorship.
                    He has a more detailed place-time-cause of death and place-date-funeral.
                    1. -1
                      April 16 2016 17: 49
                      The positioner who is in Germany. And who himself admits that he took a source from social networks. ))) Once they proved that he does not check the information. ))) But razm.info is generally an Armenian site. )))
                      1. +1
                        April 16 2016 18: 40
                        Istiglal and others, to which some refer as a fact, are Azerbaijan.
                      2. -1
                        April 16 2016 18: 57
                        Actually, Istiglal writes about our army. And about the goal. ))) And if he calls the name of the dead Armenian soldiers, he took a source from the Armenians themselves. That is, from their MO. The deputy defense minister of Armenia himself wrote the name of the dead soldiers on his Facebook page. If you do not believe, you can check.
                  2. 0
                    April 18 2016 10: 50
                    about the number 31.
                    I will not check the sources, I will check another:
                    how many soldiers can actually hold a settlement for 2 days, firing off several dozen motivated and experienced infantry, as well as support means? As I understand it, among them the losses are great. Moreover, some of these soldiers were successfully covered with mortar fire in the open. plus the loss of support forces like the crew of a downed helicopter, tank crews. This is the minimum! And you want to say that only 3 dozen died? as they say, lie, but do not lie.
                    I estimate the MINIMUM loss of 50 killed and about 40 wounded.
          2. +2
            April 16 2016 12: 41
            Quote: 72jora72
            The Azarmia lost 18 tanks, and there’s infa

            Where? In all videos only Armenian burned tanks.
            1. +5
              April 16 2016 12: 43
              Where? In all videos only Armenian burned tanks.
              Yah? Same video of one tank ??
              1. 0
                April 16 2016 13: 08
                Quote: 72jora72
                Yah? Same video of one tank ??

                There are three of them. There are not a single one with the tanks of Azerbaijan, but you say that they are confirmed in some way.
            2. +2
              April 16 2016 13: 29
              Probably people fought, and did not shoot movies in the first place.
            3. 0
              April 16 2016 16: 44
              Which side is the night fight shot from? Who will tell you.
              http://yandex.ru/video/search?p=3&filmId=VeUm27JgUXI&text=%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%
              B0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%85%20%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B9
              1. +2
                April 16 2016 19: 56
                This war does not apply to the original source uploaded to Youtube 06/05/2011
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2KPYbBmMs
                the link to the original source there is clearly audible commands in English + I will not forget the sound of minimi in my life.
          3. +1
            April 16 2016 17: 45
            Quote: 72jora72
            A total of 20 burnt Armenian tanks only officially and only Israeli weapons.
            And where do you get such numbers, sources do not disclose? Here Azarmia lost 18 tanks, and there is infa on them ...


            You, for a change, not only read Armenian sites ...
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        4. +4
          April 16 2016 13: 22
          What would you do if the Armenians hid the losses as you conceded. The helicopter recognized it through their teeth, but you hide 24 tanks and 1 Solcepek and 2 Tornado + 1 helicopter. Expensive reconnaissance in battle. It’s a pity for the dead on both sides.
          1. -3
            April 16 2016 17: 49
            Quote: finish
            and hide 24 tanks and 1 Solcepek and 2 Tornado + 1 more helicopter.


            ... and 2 more aircraft carriers and 2 nuclear submarines shot down during an RPG air attack ... the Death Star is seriously damaged.
            1. +4
              April 16 2016 18: 46
              With a similar answer, you reset everything you wrote before. It was a pity that it seemed that you were trying to talk seriously, but it turned out to be just a cheap propaganda conversation about anything, hidden in a pseudo truthful shell.
              1. +5
                April 16 2016 18: 58
                Quote: skeptic31
                With a similar answer, you reset everything you wrote before. It was a pity that it seemed that you were trying to talk seriously, but it turned out to be just a cheap propaganda conversation about anything, hidden in a pseudo truthful shell.


                But how can he answer? Why do we need to drag Tornadoes to the front line to lose them? I can put them out of reach of enemy fire. TOS-1 was also not lost. It was used once and immediately left the firing position. 24 tanks - this is a serious loss. Considering that ours was advancing from 24, at least 1-2 should have remained in the territory controlled by the Armenians. Let them provide video photos of the evidence of the tanks. 24 tanks — more than half of the tank battalion.
                No one denies the losses. 1 helicopter, 1 tank, about a hundred manpower and several mortars that were lost during shelling.
              2. +1
                April 16 2016 19: 02
                Respected. The Armenians say that Azerbaijan has 2500 casualties. 24 tanks of whirlwinds and a few more helicopters. The fact is that there is more than one evidence)))
              3. 0
                April 16 2016 20: 15
                Quote: skeptic31
                but it turned out to be just a cheap propaganda talk about anything, hidden in a pseudo truthful shell


                Since when has sarcasm become "cheap propaganda"?

                We have our own truth, you have our own. Who is right - time will tell.
          2. +6
            April 16 2016 19: 04
            How do you plan to destroy the tornado? Crawl and puncture tires. Or even Solntsepek. About the helicopter - I believe the mega-sniper got from an RPG. But how the Armenians destroyed the beating technique from far away - I can’t imagine.
            1. +2
              April 16 2016 20: 37
              Quote: Kenneth
              How do you plan to destroy the tornado? Crawl and puncture tires. Or even Solntsepek. About the helicopter - I believe the mega-sniper got from an RPG. But how the Armenians destroyed the beating technique from far away - I can’t imagine.


              In the ranks of the self-propelled artillery, there is no lost equipment. "GRADs" were gouging at the fortified areas and the places of deployment of the command. "Tornadoes" were used, apparently, for remote mining (although it is not clear what and where they mined).
              The Armenians, in turn, distinguished themselves with fairly good mortar attacks.

              But we really used 2-3% of the possible firepower. If we had brought out three hundred howitzers, dozens of "SMERCH" and almost a hundred "GRAD" to positions and would have opened fire from all barrels ... imagine what would have happened on the opposite side, thousands and thousands of soldiers would be buried right in the trenches, all communications and infrastructure were smashed into the trash, airfields were plowed up, all strikes would be corrected from reconnaissance UAVs, which would make them even more deadly. Read how they work. It would be total HELL.
              1. -3
                April 16 2016 21: 02
                Quote: HERMES
                It would be a total hell.

                Now add to this picture an Armenian guy who came out of the barracks to smoke a cigarette, the sun rising in the morning (which rises from our side). And from behind the sun thousands of flying rockets are shown, and after a minute there are flashes from explosions that overshadow the sun itself. I do not wish the enemy.
              2. +1
                April 18 2016 10: 58
                do not hang noodles, please, about hundreds and thousands)))
                1. The leadership of Azerbaijan was simply not ready for such costs.
                2. To drive hundreds of installations for the sake of a single salvo is generally nonsense.
                And if not for one, can you imagine how much ammunition this is?
                How do logistic costs rise?
                3. In addition, Azerbaijan would completely lose the element of surprise at such a concentration.
                4.Place. Where to put all this? these are mountains, not the plain of Europe. Closely.
                5. Finally, such a quantity of artillery would sweep away the entire civilian population and infrastructure, which is unacceptable in any situation.
        5. +3
          April 16 2016 18: 07
          Quote: HERMES
          for such an ATGM any armored vehicle is an easy target. Are they expensive?


          more than a hundred thousand dollars a piece. but it costs that money
  3. +3
    April 16 2016 05: 15
    It is good that both sides found out the weaknesses and stopped in time. Now we can correct the weaknesses for the next 22 years, and during that time, maybe the smart thing will come to mind.
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 06: 34
      Quote: Holsten
      It is good that both sides found out the weaknesses and stopped in time. Now we can correct the weaknesses for the next 22 years, and during that time, maybe the smart thing will come to mind.


      The second coming will happen sooner ...
      1. +1
        April 16 2016 08: 03
        The second time the same chips no longer work.
        And on preparation new years will leave
      2. 0
        April 16 2016 10: 50
        I agree in the near future ....
  4. -5
    April 16 2016 06: 10
    but also RPG-7, which have proved their high efficiency in the fight against helicopters.

    What does the author smoke?
    Defensive positions were saturated with air defense systems, in particular MANPADS and anti-aircraft mounts ZU-23-2.

    And they shot down 1 (one) helicopter from an RPG belay
    But even the use of the WTO and artillery does not exempt the Azerbaijani military from the need to storm the positions of a well-motivated opponent, who has much higher moral and volitional qualities and is ready to engage in close combat to the last.

    Can I find out a measure of moral-volitional qualities?
    1. -7
      April 16 2016 06: 32
      Quote: KKND
      And they shot down 1 (one) helicopter from an RPG

      At night ... from an RPG ... a helicopter ... do they have a Rambo vacation there or what?
      1. Riv
        +5
        April 16 2016 07: 56
        Moreover, the helicopter was painted black! No, it wasn’t Rimbaud; it was Chuck Norris himself.
        1. +2
          April 17 2016 01: 41
          "Rambo" ... "Chuck Noris" ... Why don't you let the "old people" rest in retirement !? And the way for the "young"?
      2. +6
        April 16 2016 08: 40
        Well, firstly, this is not the first helicopter destroyed from an RPG. And secondly, young replenishment, sometimes, with fright and with a fool, does this ...
        1. -7
          April 16 2016 09: 04
          Quote: black
          Well, firstly, this is not the first helicopter destroyed from an RPG. And secondly, young replenishment, sometimes, with fright and with a fool, does this ...


          The Armenians have something on an ongoing basis ... which makes me doubt ...
      3. +5
        April 16 2016 09: 15
        Hermes dear at 7-00 this morning and in the standard for MI-24 coloring from 50 m. My opinion is that he simply lost his orientation and the crew decided that he was behind his positions. And so the guy himself said that he was in trouble. But the fact hit and knocked him out, he fell on a netrack between them and our positions was finally defeated by artillery. The bodies were evacuated during the 5-hour pyremyria.
      4. +1
        April 16 2016 11: 12
        The helicopter turned into an attack at an altitude of 30-50 meters. And how can one not bring it down under such conditions? And the level of training of pilots flying at trenches at this height.
      5. +1
        April 16 2016 12: 43
        Quote: HERMES

        At night ... from an RPG ... a helicopter ... do they have a Rambo vacation there or what?

        So it was recognized by the authorities of Azerbaijan. You can get from an RPG to a helicopter. if he is flying low.
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 12: 53
          Quotation: blooded man
          So it was recognized by the authorities of Azerbaijan. You can get from an RPG to a helicopter. if he is flying low.

          Vulnerabilities in helicopters, cockpit-engine and main gearbox, tail boom and tail rotor gearbox.
          Also on this site is the possible use of OGOL-7V Oskolok / 7P50 grenade.
    2. +3
      April 16 2016 09: 11
      Azerbaijan’s losses were 3 Mi-24s, they themselves confirmed that we just handed over the remains of 4 pilots to them, and one side fell in netral (shot down from RPG-7) they took the pilots themselves. For those who do not know the crew of MI-24, 1 pilot, 1 pilot-operator of weapons and 1 BortMekh. Thus, 2 sides were shot down in the depths of the NKR positions. In addition, 2 helicopters MI-8 of the Azerbaijan side were lost during the database. They do not expose it, but we do not insist.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 09: 22
        Quote: esti1979
        Azerbaijan’s losses were 3 Mi-24s, they themselves confirmed that we just handed over the remains of 4 pilots to them, and one side fell in netral (shot down from RPG-7) they took the pilots themselves.


        Comrade ... I’ll ask for a link about the Mi-24, namely about the three Mi-24s. If you are not too lazy of course. And about the Mi-8, do not forget ...
        1. +3
          April 16 2016 10: 29
          1 One side was shot down from MANPADS near Mount Mrav (the board number is on the website of our Moscow region), one was shot down from RPG-7 and fell on a non-powered truck, 3 side was shot down by OSA-AKM in the Khoradis area (he just had nothing left exploded at an altitude of 100 m, there’s just nothing to shoot there. The biggest piece is the engine’s part). The video of the downed board that we twist is the side shot down at Mount Mrav. of what was shot down from RPG-7, your loss was confirmed by yours. For MI-8, the situation for me is also unclear since they landed a sabotage reconnaissance group. They were spotted by our radars and they were fired. There is no information on them, maybe they managed to get back but with damage. Therefore, as I said, ours do not subject them, but yours do not annihilate. According to the lists of military personnel of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, we have laid out a list with military ranks, those that were found at our positions and passed to yours.
          1. +4
            April 16 2016 18: 15
            Quote: esti1979
            3rd board was shot down by OSA-AKM in the Khoradis area (there was simply nothing left of it; it exploded at an altitude of 100 m, there simply wasn’t anything to shoot; the biggest piece is the engine part)

            ))) In the south, nothing was shot down. Ours lost 1 Mi-24 helicopter. Nobody will lift the helicopter on Mrov — neither yours, nor ours. The mountains are too big there. You need to study the terrain before believing such statements. And the helicopter not a toy, even if it explodes in the air, there’s still a lot left of it. It’s impossible to hide
        2. +1
          April 16 2016 10: 49
          In addition, information about 4 pilots also confuses me. Most likely these are the remains of the crew that was shot down from MANPADS in the area of ​​Mount Mrav, 3 bodies and the remains of one crew member of the crew shot down from the Osa-AKM in the Horadis region probably threw it in a shock wave.
      2. +1
        April 16 2016 12: 17
        The crew of the Mi-24 - 2 people .... the pilot and the operator of the 3rd began to "add" "proactively" during the "Afghan" war, as a method of self-defense of the helicopter from hitting the machine from the "ground". That is, in each case were deciding whether a "third" was needed ?! Conclusion: why is there such confidence that the "Azerbaijanis" flew "three together"?
  5. +8
    April 16 2016 06: 11
    Azerbaijani special forces killed a minefield.
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 06: 27
      Our commandos are not to blame for the fact that they are sitting in our intelligence dalb @ fuck. There will still be demand for such miscalculations. Not for the first time, so the intelligence mows ... UROD.
      1. +5
        April 16 2016 07: 59
        Spetsnaz - in fact, this is intelligence (maybe this word has a different meaning in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan?), It’s another thing that a detailed study of the area was neglected when planning
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 08: 25
          Quote: yawa63
          Spetsnaz - in fact, this is intelligence (maybe this word has a different meaning in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan?), It’s another thing that a detailed study of the area was neglected when planning


          This time the task was to take and hold the altitude. We managed to get out and knock the Armenians out of it. But because of the crossfire, we had to leave, also under fire. If they knew about the minefield, they would hardly have climbed there.
        2. +1
          April 18 2016 09: 07
          Is special forces and intelligence the same thing? Seriously?
          wink
        3. 0
          April 18 2016 11: 06
          you rave!
          firstly, intelligence is also different
          secondly, SPECnaz has a specialization, which is obvious
          the specialists in question were clearly militants, not real scouts.
      2. +7
        April 16 2016 09: 17
        Quote: HERMES
        Our commandos are not to blame for the fact that they are sitting in our intelligence dalb @ fuck. There will still be demand for such miscalculations. Not for the first time, so the intelligence mows ... UROD.

        We are also not far behind .... To tear out the troop deployment and unloading of ammunition on the ground ... In general, these are the same .... In general, there are ....
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 09: 25
          Quote: esti1979
          Quote: HERMES
          Our commandos are not to blame for the fact that they are sitting in our intelligence dalb @ fuck. There will still be demand for such miscalculations. Not for the first time, so the intelligence mows ... UROD.

          We are also not far behind .... To tear out the transfer of troops and the grapple of ammunition to the ground ... In general, such are the same .... In general, there are ....


          Well, let's raise the bar together bully Only peacefully.

          I also wanted to ask, did your MO confirm the loss of two dozen tanks officially?
          Quote: Aaron Zawi

          No, this is Spike. It is not for nothing that in the Russian segment of ATGMs it is referred to as "roof-fighters". In general, out of 14 tanks recognized by the Armenian side, 12 are "Spikes". On account of long-range "NLOS" and on account of those in infantry formations "LR" with a range of up to 8 km 6 more pieces. In my opinion, "Harop" was not used very competently. Of the 6 goals voiced, only two were of real value. Battalion headquarters and 122mm Armenian gun battery positions. The hunt for transport rather exerted psychological pressure than caused real damage to the Armenians.
          1. +2
            April 16 2016 09: 57
            Quote: HERMES

            I also wanted to ask, did your MO confirm the loss of two dozen tanks officially?

            I probably didn't put it exactly. Today, the Armenian Defense Ministry has recognized the loss of 14 tanks of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry. He considers that 2 vehicles were destroyed by Azerbaijani tankers and 12 ATGMs "Spike". 6 long-range tanks and 6 wearable ones. As you know, "Spike" is a family of ATGMs of different ranges but on the same principle.
          2. +2
            April 16 2016 10: 14
            Yes, the pater confirmed the irretrievable loss of 14 tanks (they cannot be restored), and about 10 more slaves received damage of varying severity and need to be repaired.
      3. 0
        April 16 2016 19: 40
        Quote: HERMES
        Our commandos are not to blame for the fact that they are sitting in our intelligence dalb @ fuck.

        Quote: lonely
        .For the last 10 days, 4-5 Armenian and 1 our military were killed there.

        What are our? Ours do not fight there. And you can understand that the Russians are fighting there.
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 21: 59
          Since the authors of these comments are Azerbaijanis, respectively, “ours” are Azerbaijanis.
      4. +3
        April 16 2016 19: 50
        It sounds strange "our special forces" under the Russian flag in the nickname when the conversation is about Karabakh! So there is no special forces under OUR flag! Define a patriot .....
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 22: 01
          Quote: Bredovich705
          It sounds strange "our special forces" under the Russian flag in the nickname when the conversation is about Karabakh! So there is no special forces under OUR flag! Define a patriot .....


          I am from Baku) Better help me to fix this misunderstanding with the flag) In the profile settings, the "place of residence" column is blocked for me. And my IP address is also local. What is the problem?
      5. 0
        April 16 2016 23: 40
        Do not meddle, and you will be alive ....
    2. +1
      April 16 2016 13: 13
      In this video, he says that where they pulled back they didn’t even pay attention or ignored the Caution Mines sign.
      1. +1
        April 16 2016 17: 57
        Quote: finish
        In this video, he says that where they pulled back they didn’t even pay attention or ignored the Caution Mines sign.


        You will also read various "signs" under fire?
        1. +3
          April 16 2016 18: 44
          They manage to shoot the video (not with a drone), and the words Caution do not read the mines ...!
          1. +3
            April 16 2016 22: 02
            Quote: finish
            They manage to shoot the video (not with a drone), and the words Caution do not read the mines ...!


            Where did you see the video from April Karabakh, when the operator is hollowed out from all calibers? Give the link I'll see.
  6. +1
    April 16 2016 07: 30
    Indeed, to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear! But the stereotype must be BREAKED and the conflict should not grow further. Put out, and the sooner the better.
  7. dFG
    +4
    April 16 2016 07: 33
    And the Armenians thought that it was jokes so actively buying weapons ?? Conclusions show the old Soviet truth - if you want peace, prepare for war, there will be no arms purchases, then these pair of heights are just the beginning; reconnaissance for Azerbaijanis was successful
    1. +27
      April 16 2016 08: 49
      And you read the Armenian press. Armenians blame Russia for everything. Like an ally like that, HAD to help, but did nothing, did not protect us. In my opinion, the guys are bawdy. They generally understand that NKR and Armenia are not the same thing, and the former are not included in the OKBB agreement. Moreover, in addition to standard reproaches, such as Russia sold weapons to our enemy, and Russia provides weapons to us on credit little and slowly, reproaches such as Russia should have warned us of an attack using space intelligence data were also heard. In a word, the Armenians sat on the priest did absolutely nothing, hoping for Russia and now we are to blame. But all this time, the Armenian diaspora has been cutting money in Russia quite well, but it is by no means in a hurry to return profit to its homeland and invest money in the country's defense.
      1. +2
        April 16 2016 09: 06
        Quote: Nikolai K
        And you read the Armenian press. Armenians blame Russia for everything.


        Are you surprised? Did you expect something different from them? Well, I can only say that they are at least ungrateful. They forget that their country is completely and completely supported by Russia.
        1. +5
          April 16 2016 10: 04
          Are you surprised? Did you expect something different from them? Well, I can only say that they are at least ungrateful. They forget that their country is completely and completely supported by Russia.
          Just do not breed ethnic hatred here, for this go to the Ukrainian "Censor" ......
          PS And as for fighting spirit, so your the war quality will be thinner .....
          1. +1
            April 16 2016 12: 46
            What a convenient method to refer to "ethnic strife"! Maybe it is better not to "blame the mirror if the face is crooked"?
          2. 0
            April 16 2016 18: 00
            Quote: 72jora72
            Are you surprised? Did you expect something different from them? Well, I can only say that they are at least ungrateful. They forget that their country is completely and completely supported by Russia.
            Just do not breed ethnic hatred here, for this go to the Ukrainian "Censor" ......
            PS And as for fighting spirit, so your the war quality will be thinner .....

            I am stating a fact, not stirring up discord. As for the "quality" of our soldiers - you are not to judge, you did not fight with us.
            1. 0
              April 18 2016 11: 11
              do not misinterpret the words, the man spoke about the fighting spirit of the soldiers, and not about the soldiers as a whole.
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        3. +5
          April 16 2016 10: 59
          They accuse of supplying offensive weapons to Azerbaijan, on the part of the military ally, forgetting that this is all and we get a penny, and NKR is still de jure territory of Azerbaijan. We are simply the guarantors of the security of this enclave. Just someone decided to cover his ass. Therefore, this hysteria on the part of our MO, then the government. During 48 hours, the perimiry of Armenia transferred Tochka-U and Elbrus, Tornadoes and Hurricanes, as well as the newest TOS-1 which we received just recently, to the NKR OTRK. The Russians are just keeping paret. And Azerbaijan conducts the right policy by purchasing high-tech toys on the side and modernizing them.
          1. +5
            April 16 2016 12: 57
            Quote: esti1979
            Therefore, this hysteria on the part of our MO, then the government

            The fact is that this hysteria is supported by the majority of Armenians. How do you order the Russians after that they treat you. For example, Donbass has more rights to "hysterics", but people there understand everything and clenching their teeth are fighting without pouring mud on Russia.
            It is unfortunate that there are few people like you among Armenians, and something tells me that they were an officer in the Soviet army.
            1. +5
              April 16 2016 15: 17
              Dear co-religionist, did not serve in the Soviet army, served in the Army of Armenia in the Air Force PSS as a paramedic then worked in other places. As for the DPR and LPR, about 500 Armenians are fighting there. They were not allowed here for one reason, half of them wanted by Interpol. And the majority of the officer corps of our power structures support my point of view because everyone studied mainly in Russia and for 5 years of study they learned to love this country as their own and there are a lot of friends left, specifically from me in St. Petersburg, the Lipetsk Training Center, and so on. .d. Therefore, hysteria of some odious does not mean anything and it is not worth taking its calculation.
          2. +1
            April 17 2016 01: 41
            > NKR is de jure still the territory of Azerbaijan

            fellow countryman, you should be careful with words whose meaning is not completely clear to you. Or you are young, and do not know that the USSR had a law determining the procedure for withdrawing from it the Union republics, in which the entire exit procedure was prescribed

            the decision on the collapse of the USSR from a legal point of view is untenable. The only republic to hold a referendum on secession from the USSR was Armenia.

            And since there was no legally correct decision on the collapse of the USSR, and apart from Armenia no one began the process of leaving the USSR, then all the borders of the post-Soviet states are based only on whether other states recognize them or not. This is a political issue, not a legal one. Even in the Armenian press, the American ambassadors have often said in plain text - that the recognition of the NKR is only a political issue, implying an appropriate political fee for them to recognize the NKR.
            1. +2
              April 17 2016 06: 11
              Quote: xtur
              union republics

              the law did not apply to ed. republics or regions, only to the union republics.
            2. -1
              April 17 2016 06: 50
              Quote: xtur
              fellow countryman, you should be careful with words whose meaning is not completely clear to you.


              Your fellow countryman is a captain ... an active military doctor. He knows what he is talking about.

              Quote: xtur
              The only republic to hold a referendum on secession from the USSR was Armenia.


              Will you also leave the Collective Security Treaty Organization after the successful annexation of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region and forward to the West?
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 10: 40
                > the law did not apply to ed. republics or regions, only to the union republics.

                it’s not important at all - it’s important that the exit procedure prescribed in this law, in particular the referendum, was not launched.


                > Your compatriot captain ... an active military doctor. He knows what he's talking about.

                firstly, I’ll be older than him; secondly, I served the same in the army. thirdly, my children will serve in the army, and will be at risk. and yes - unfortunately, being peaceful does not mean guaranteeing peace. Armenians have lived in Ottoman Turkey for many centuries, and even directly before the genocide they defended the independence of this state

                > Will you also leave the CSTO after the successful annexation of the NKAO and forward to the West?

                What does this question have to do with what I said?
        4. +7
          April 16 2016 13: 20
          Hermes, advise the Russians to read your Azerbaijani press when the plane was shot down in Syria, what joy you had and what comments you had. They boiled over with boiling water for photos of the killed pilot.
          1. 0
            April 16 2016 18: 05
            Quote: Stavros
            Hermes, advise the Russians to read your Azerbaijani press when the plane was shot down in Syria, what joy you had and what comments you had. They boiled over with boiling water for photos of the killed pilot.


            Specify ... our underdeveloped media, or their readers, were "pissing with boiling water"?
      2. +1
        April 16 2016 12: 42
        You have noticed that correctly: sayings like: "The master will come! The master will judge us!"; "Why teach geography? Cab drivers will take you everywhere!" - it turns out not only Russians! Do you want a "roof"? And you have to pay for a "roof"! Did the Armenians pay enough for the “roof?” That is the question!
      3. +3
        April 16 2016 17: 05
        Quote: Nikolai K
        And you read the Armenian press. Armenians blame Russia for everything .. And besides the standard reproaches, such as Russia sold weapons to our enemy and Russia did little and slowly supply us with weapons
        Nu as it were, the situation for Russia is generally ugly and unsightly .. request
        Russia supplies weapons to both sides of the conflict .. Those weapons that will kill the children of Armenian mothers and sons of Azeri fathers ..
        Here on "VO" they like to reproach the Old Man, the National Academy of Sciences and other leaders of the CIS for "sitting on two chairs", while the position of the Kremlin in this conflict is similar ..
        Of course, they will not openly reproach, but they will reel in a mustache ..
        Yes, the budget of the Russian Federation receives income from military supplies, but this is "blood money" and "moral authority" of the country negative..
        In this sense, the position of the "malicious" West is more logical and consistent - an embargo on arms supplies to both countries. Moreover, "Nazi" Germany has blocked the sale of its engines to the Turkish Firtyna self-propelled guns, which were purchased by Baku ..
        1. 0
          April 17 2016 11: 54
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Nu as it were, the situation for Russia is generally ugly and unsightly .. request
          Russia supplies weapons to both sides of the conflict .. Those weapons that will kill the children of Armenian mothers and sons of Azeri fathers ..
          Here on "VO" they like to reproach the Old Man, the National Academy of Sciences and other leaders of the CIS for "sitting on two chairs", while the position of the Kremlin in this conflict is similar ..
          Of course, they will not openly reproach, but they will reel in a mustache ..
          Yes, the budget of the Russian Federation receives income from military supplies, but this is "blood money" and "moral authority" of the country negative..
          In this sense, the position of the "malicious" West is more logical and consistent - an embargo on arms supplies to both countries. Moreover, "Nazi" Germany has blocked the sale of its engines to the Turkish Firtyna self-propelled guns, which were purchased by Baku ..

          We will not sell, they will buy from others.
          It's not about weapons sold. The point is politics.
          Why ours did not prevent this war?
          I do not know.
          Maybe, indeed, it was overdue and it was necessary to let off steam, with relatively little blood, so as not to allow more blood.
          Maybe they wanted to put the west in place with their alternative pipes.
          And to be honest, it was interesting to us from a military point of view.
          We tested our equipment, tested the tactics.
          Sorry for civilians.
      4. +3
        April 16 2016 19: 05
        And what did not sell? Read our press about how our grief allies the Americans stealthily fed the Nazis during the years of World War II. So, we can write, but not the Armenians? Indeed, why the hell did we sell the Sunshine to the Azerbaijanis. Money? Yes, it's a penny. Better began to relate to us? Yeah, well. In any case, at least observe equidistance - they would sell the same to the Armenians. In this case, certainly there would simply be no offensive.
      5. -1
        April 18 2016 16: 33
        For example, the Tashir Group of Companies, as far as I heard, is related to the family of the Armenian president. TNT TV channel, Comedy Club - it all belongs to them.
      6. +1
        April 18 2016 16: 33
        For example, the Tashir Group of Companies, as far as I heard, is related to the family of the Armenian president. TNT TV channel, Comedy Club - it all belongs to them.
  8. +2
    April 16 2016 07: 34
    Quote: Holsten
    Now we can correct the weaknesses for the next 22 years, and during that time, maybe the smart thing will come to mind.

    I doubt they will be enough for 22 years. As they fought, they will continue to fight. Now they will lick the wounds and start again. And the Americans use it, give the command "fas" in time.
  9. +6
    April 16 2016 07: 55
    From a military point of view, reconnaissance took place in battle. Or combat training.
    Each side has something to analyze and work on bugs.
    From the point of view of humanism, people cannot agree (give way to each other), which leads to a fight.
  10. 0
    April 16 2016 08: 00
    The Azeri warriors are still the same (urgently in the "international army" of the USSR there was an opportunity to compare them with the Armenians - you can always retreat "to the bazaar"))). The Armenians will be more serious, especially since this is their land.
    1. +3
      April 16 2016 16: 18
      General Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan: "The Azerbaijani army has fully completed the task assigned to it"
      https://istiglal.com/2016/04/06/%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D0%B
      0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80-%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B
      5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8F%D0%BD-%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0-2/
  11. +2
    April 16 2016 08: 06
    and at some point one of the sides decided to strike. It is still not clear who exactly


    Is this humor?
  12. +5
    April 16 2016 08: 07
    Article "plus". The author, without unnecessary emotions, tried to analyze the past hostilities, the success and failure of the newly used technology and tactical techniques. Assessment of the situation itself was not included in the author's plans. Significant costs of conducting such operations are now too high for Azerbaijan - thanks to the dropped oil prices. But when they rise again ...
  13. 0
    April 16 2016 08: 16
    Reconnaissance took place in battle, almost like a drill in a combat situation. Only here are the losses .. Isn't it better to study the experience of others more deeply?
  14. +2
    April 16 2016 08: 20
    The experience of the April battles showed: Azerbaijan has found a way out of the positional impasse in Nagorno-Karabakh


    An interesting conclusion.
    Why didn’t Azerbaijan take this exit?
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 12: 49
      Maybe: there wasn’t enough clueless consideration ... and they regretted the penny!
  15. 0
    April 16 2016 09: 09
    But isn’t it better to dampen emotions and close the problem at compromises?
    1. +2
      April 16 2016 09: 14
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      But isn’t it better to dampen emotions and close the problem at compromises?


      In the East, they don’t like compromises ... either to us, or to nobody.
  16. +9
    April 16 2016 09: 21
    “A few small earthquakes are better than one big one.” ©

    The recent attack by Azerbaijan is one such.

    Silushka, as it turned out, is there, but far from heroic.
    The dull build-up of material and technical base is not directly converted to victory.

    This was understandable, on the example of how the "Houthis" extinguish the super-duper-equipped "Saudis".
    However, their own "big bumps", as always, are much more intelligible.

    On the other hand, the Armenians - arrogance was shot down unambiguously. And it turned out that
    stand up for this next "small but very proud people" in the region,
    except Russia, there is no one else.

    In general, objective preconditions have been outlined for the fact that towards Russia,
    the stench on both sides will decrease.

    And this is good.
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 09: 35
      Quote: VSkilled
      Silushka, as it turned out, is there, but far from heroic.


      Already eat porridge ... a double serving.
      1. avt
        +6
        April 16 2016 10: 25
        Quote: HERMES
        Already eat porridge ... a double serving.

        The question is who and why? To fill the belly and then smoke a hookah on the couch? In fact, if you do not measure losses, reconnaissance by force failed exclusively due to mediocre planning and command of the operation. The Armenians, of course, also dunked their pride in the manure - not that they did not underestimate, but rested on their laurels in their "Maginot Line" and did not make allowances for the really changeable technical equipment of the Azerbaijanis, as they did not bother to keep their nose in the wind and some new tactics A stalemate result, despite the acquisition of territorial Azerbaijanis. In such a victorious way, they will destroy all the equipment and will be left without trousers with the next purchases. But in the relationship in general between Armenia and Azerbaijan - zugzwang and there is no peaceful solution in the future. true option and I wrote about it -US they bring to power their fosterling ethnic Armenian from the USA and he is on the motive of Saa ... Ah! What a man! He brings the Russian bases under the "peace guarantees of the USA", well, as with Adjara and Akhalkalaki. Then the picture will change dramatically.
        1. +3
          April 16 2016 11: 54
          The stalemate result, despite the territorial acquisition by Azerbaijanis.
          Prosperities on a number of plots from 500 - 1000 m. Nekhilo they preobrel territory. Mainly positions of military guard. It wasn’t worth it
          1. +1
            April 16 2016 13: 01
            https://istiglal.com/2016/04/08/итоги-трехдневного-противостояния-2-5/

            Do you disagree with such estimates of the enemy? Particularly interested in whether a map with occupied heights is true.
            1. 0
              April 16 2016 14: 00
              Quotation: blooded man
              https://istiglal.com/2016/04/08/итоги-трехдневного-против

              state-2-5 /


              Do you disagree with such estimates of the enemy? Particularly interested in whether a map with occupied heights is true.

              The map is good on 02/04 it was. In the talis the enemy lasted 30 minutes before the approach of the moto-maneuverable anti-sabotage company. The battle was fought only with the use of small arms, as there were civilians in the village of 900 inhabitants. Magadis was liberated for 2 days by our units from this populated punka little was left; he changed hands several times. Based on this logic, parts of the Azerbaijani Army are now surrounded. By the way, ours reported on 03/04 that a group of Azerbaijani military with 5 tanks was surrounded in this area. This incidentally, the military unit in Magadis was filmed on 04/04 (I apologize for the musical accompaniment of the Azerbaijani people)
              And on that map, he is in the deep rear of the Azerbaijan Army. So draw your own conclusions.
              1. 0
                April 16 2016 14: 15
                Along the top of Lele-tepe, she always stayed with them 100 meters from the rigging positions, where their KNP of the battalion was there, if they had recaptured it, it means ours took it. And according to the fizuli direction, the Azerbajans advanced 1 to where they achieved the best result and seized the outposts of the military guard and were lower in the valley. In addition, please specify the scale of these cards as they are of different scales. Therefore, it seems that they went well forward.
                1. +1
                  April 16 2016 15: 09
                  Unfortunately, I cannot specify the scale. I just found an article with a map and a description of the successes of ADR. army and decided to find out your vision. The site itself is clearly propaganda. In general, it’s not very clear, it seems like it is already the 16th, and you and Azerbaijan still have different borders in NPOs today. For a long time I have not seen this in the modern world. For example, in the Donbass, too, often many lost and occupied territories were not recognized at first, but after 10 it is impossible to conceal reality.

                  That is, Magadis and Talysh are 100% behind the Armenians now?
                  1. +1
                    April 16 2016 15: 37
                    Yes, our humanitarian aid and materials were sent to Magadis, a group of civilian doctors also left, there were a lot of civilians who were beaten out of the city during the evacuation, Risen barracks because when they entered the village from the side of the positions, the soldiers covered the civilian’s departure until the last and lasted until 7 -00 that is 4 hours, until 12-00 the battle went on in the remnants of the village, the last connection with the medical center was 12-15, It was reported that the hospital was raised in a gun to cover the departure of the wounded. Talish suffered less as it is on the opposite slope of the mountain and did not fall under the shelling of the city. At the positions of our sodats took up a circular defense. The civilian population began the evacuation, and a local self-defense detachment covered it, in these villages the entire population had weapons at home and lasted a battle in the villages these 30 minutes before the anti-sabotage company approached. There, the liberators executed the family of the elderly and cut off their ears. Losses of the enemy in Talish totaled 35 people. There is also undergoing restoration work.
                    1. +1
                      April 16 2016 16: 23
                      It turns out that Azerbaijanis outdid dill in propaganda laughing
                      1. 0
                        April 16 2016 19: 39
                        The video for 02 and 03/04 from the villages of Talish and Mardakert under the age of 18 is better not to watch it, they didn’t manage to make it.
                  2. 0
                    April 16 2016 16: 45
                    Talish villages near the Armenians. We captured the heights around him. And so the village of Talish remained below. Our entered Talish. But the village did not have strategic significance. Since it is on the plain. You can easily get there art.strokes. That's why they moved to a height.
                    1. +5
                      April 16 2016 17: 08
                      An interesting thing turns out, a couple of days ago the Armenian TV showed a report from the village of Talysh that afternoon, that evening the Azerbaijani TV showed how they set up a panel with the name of the village of Talysh and talked about his release, you say that the village is from the Armenians. It turns out your TV Fatih ?
                      1. +1
                        April 16 2016 17: 27
                        Tables set on the road that goes to the village of Talysh. I think you understand the difference. )
                      2. +6
                        April 16 2016 18: 01
                        At the entrance to Tbilisi there is a placard, Sukhumi 450 km. It’s only from that. I hope you understand me.
                2. +2
                  April 16 2016 16: 41
                  Lele-Tepe is still with us. Was you freed now with us. I can throw new videos and photos from Lele Tepe.
              2. 0
                April 16 2016 16: 38
                Where is the evidence that ours got surrounded? The people of our army were to take strategic heights. And do not go deep into Karabakh. Our army fulfilled its people. And holds all the liberation of the place.
          2. +1
            April 16 2016 16: 27
            The results of the three-day confrontation April 2 - 5, 2016
            https://istiglal.com/2016/04/08/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B
            5%D1%85%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82
            %D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-2-5/
        2. 0
          April 16 2016 19: 25
          I don’t think that Armenians are like that. They already have the experience of a hundred years ago, when they, at the instigation of the British, rushed to the Turks and ended up in .... . Your assumptions mean almost the same to them. s, if they differ from the British, then only for the worse, the same scammers. On the other hand, everything is possible, because there is the 5th column, there are liberals who absolutely have everything except their own pocket. And you don’t spare money for this shit.
        3. 0
          April 17 2016 02: 01
          > the Romanians, of course, also dunked their pride in the manure - not that they did not underestimate, but rested on their laurels in their ,, Magino line ”and did not make allowances for the really changeable technical equipment of Azerbaijanis

          it's just some kind of holiday. If you are not familiar with materiel, it’s better to just shut up. Armenia is a poor country - we ruined our entire economy in the last war for the NKR, in addition to the military aspect, the gas pipeline was constantly blown up to us, the country was completely without gas and, accordingly, electricity for all the years of military operations. The ANPP was launched only after the end of hostilities.

          Armenia has only one means of transport for Azerbaijanis - via Georgia, which is exorcising us exorbitantly. A container from the USA to Batumi / Poti costs the same as a container from Batumi / Poti to Yerevan.

          For many years, the military budget of Azerbaijan has been the largest in Armenia. But now the country's leadership will not be able to not bomb the oil / gas / wire, because it becomes clear to everyone that military equipment leads to terrible losses

          so now a lot will change - and it will be very difficult and there will be a lot of blood. This is just the beginning
          1. 0
            April 17 2016 02: 25
            Quote: xtur
            Armenia is a poor country - we ruined our entire economy in the last war for the NKR,


            And you need it? You are guilty yourself. In pursuit of the mythical "primordiality" you plunged your country into darkness.
            1. 0
              April 17 2016 02: 37
              > Do you need it? You are guilty. In pursuit of the mythical "iskonnost" you plunged your country into darkness.

              Of course it was necessary.
              and in war there are always losses, and always very heavy. Actually, my post was about something else - about the ratio of economic potentials, about which the respected author for some reason forgot

              and that only one country in the world could put pressure on Armenia for all 20 years, not allowing them to blow up the oil pipeline through which our enemy was enriched. After all, they couldn’t just discard the only option forcing Azerbaijan to peace in the country's leadership
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 07: 44
                Quote: xtur
                xtur

                Only one caught me ...
                Quote: xtur
                Armenia was assigned a special spiritual status, which even now, according to the Christian Bible, has not changed (Eden, the tree of life).


                I don’t see any Eden, tree, or status in Armenia ... but what I see:
                11. I called the EAGLE FROM THE EAST, from a distant land, the performer of My determination. I said, and I will carry it out; He intended, and I will do it.

                12. Listen to Me, cruel in heart, far from the truth:

                13. I have brought My righteousness, it is not far away, and My salvation will not slow down; and I will give Zion salvation, Israel my glory. Isaiah 48.

                ... the disciples approached Him in private and asked: tell us, when will it be? And what is the sign of your coming and the end of the age? ''
                In response, they heard from Jesus various signs of great future events, among which were:
                '' - As lightning comes from the east and is visible even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man; for where there is a corpse, there will be gathered eagles ... ''

                1. +1
                  April 17 2016 10: 47
                  > I see neither Eden, nor tree, nor status in Armenia ... but what I see

                  The Bible is a holy book for Muslims, along with the Qur'an. And ignorance of the Bible actually speaks of the degree of knowledge of the foundations of their own culture. And the Bible says that after the fall the Lord made Eden invisible to man, and set the archangels to protect him from people



                  you don't know the bible well. on the second page of the Russian version of the Old Testament, it is written that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flowed from Eden, among others.

                  there is only one place in the world where these two rivers flow from. And this place is called the Armenian Highlands. And in Eden there is The Tree of Lifewhose forbidden fruits were tasted by Adam and Eve. But what is The Tree of Life I will not explain, this is a matter of general development and self-education.

                  Tree of Life located in Armenia since the days of Sumer, in the sense of the ideas of the peoples surrounding Armenia. And these ideas passed to the Bible precisely from the Sumerians, through the mediation of the Jews - this is, as it were, a generally accepted point of view.
      2. 0
        April 16 2016 11: 31
        Well, why, why does a goat need a button accordion, and a priest accordion? It was worth it? Massacre again? Who needs this meat grinder? A thin world is better than a good quarrel. Search for the truth? Who needs it this truth? Ask the moms of the dead guys! From their own and from the other side. In addition, the one who has more strength and money is right, and not the one who is right. Revenge? This is somehow not Christian, and even more so the Prophet does not approve. Look for peace and cherish it, grow it and care for it. Otherwise it will be "... behind the crows and coffins ..."
        1. +3
          April 16 2016 18: 19
          A loan to climb into the village and sit in a fire bag. It’s more convenient to sit on the heights and keep the village under control. The same is Matagis. Would you take a village that is around the heights, knowing that as soon as you go there you will start to work from all the artillery? I would not
          1. +1
            April 16 2016 18: 35
            So there is a video that the Armenian military and equipment are in Talysh and Matagis, but something doesn’t hit anything on them (no need to invoke a truce, by and large it is not respected). Conclusion, there are no heights near captured and held. This is the answer to the bag and peel with artillery.
            1. +2
              April 16 2016 18: 46
              Quote: finish
              (no need to invoke a truce; by and large it is not respected).

              The ceasefire refers to large-caliber weapons. The artillery does not shoot. The rifle is naughty the only way. Over the past 10 days, 4-5 Armenian and 1 our military have been killed there.
  17. +3
    April 16 2016 09: 57
    I was interested in the practical application of "Spikes". If the author is not lying to us, then at first they discovered the UAV tanks, and then the ATGM operators destroyed the targets. A rocket with a fiber-optic control channel and a seeker. Butter is obtained. If the coordinates of the target are known, it was possible with barrel artillery. Cheap and cheerful. Even on the opposite slope of the height, you can get it with a mortar. And so it hurts an expensive toy.
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 11: 10
      I think it’s impossible to hit a tank with the first shot from artillery, otherwise it will come out of the shelling. Is that a volley to give.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 11: 56
        I am sure that 4-e mines 120mm, are cheaper than one rocket.
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 18: 29
          Quote: black
          I am sure that 4-e mines 120mm, are cheaper than one rocket.

          These 4 mines need 4 guns for simultaneous firing + service staff. No one guarantees that the simultaneous use of 4 minutes is guaranteed to defeat armored vehicles.
      2. 0
        April 18 2016 11: 21
        to hit the tank, just put a landmine close.
        He will receive at least a number of minor injuries; there is a high probability that he will be temporarily immobilized. direct hit is not necessary.
    2. +1
      April 16 2016 13: 00
      In my opinion, you pass garbage as truth! In this case, the "Azerbaijanis" acted competently! In my opinion, there is a reason to touch on the topic of "Russian Hermes"! Why did he remain "unborn"? After all, it should "work" like a "long-range" "Spike" (!) ... and even better! Modifications with a "range" of up to 100 km were supposed! Events in Karabakh proved the relevance of the idea!
    3. 0
      April 16 2016 18: 25
      Quote: black
      If the coordinates of the target were known, it was also possible with barrel artillery. Cheap and cheerful.

      Do you know the concept of scatter of hit points?
      A tank can be destroyed only with a direct hit.
      It turns out expensive and chickens to laugh.
  18. +2
    April 16 2016 10: 32
    Quote: HERMES
    Good thing I'll say this "Spike" of yours

    The Israelis create mostly effective weapons. This is not surprising, since they constantly undergo testing not only at the training grounds, but in combat clashes. And their tanks are also very convincing. And yet, when I talked with a man who served in the armored forces of Israel, he spoke very respectfully of Soviet and Russian tanks.
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 10: 56
      Quote: Verdun
      . And, nevertheless, when I spoke with a man who served in the armored forces of Israel, he spoke very respectfully of Soviet and Russian tanks.

      why nonetheless? request Just because our tankers are not bad, they may well appreciate Soviet technology. Moreover, in the 70-80s, the IDF was armed with about 400 T54 / 55 captured from the Arabs. They replaced the Soviet cannon with a 105 mm L-7, supplied an American engine, and armed them with 444 rezhevist TDs. On these machines, our tankers took part in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Litany conflict in 78 and the First Lebanon in 1982. We worked fine.
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        1. +2
          April 16 2016 11: 19
          Quote: esti1979
          Shalom ani meod osir toba, beshwil ma helmet electronic engineer 03/04 berevan in karabakh. om khakobit. I'm sorry, not how the hands do not reach the fonts set.

          Shalom. hi And the rest I did not quite understand. winked
          1. -1
            April 16 2016 12: 01
            Your guys from AOI were here with the vice speaker of the kneset, they said smart things ... And we quickly learn ....
      2. 0
        April 16 2016 11: 11
        why nonetheless

        Because there are a lot of people who, praising the technology and armaments of one side, are stubbornly unwilling to recognize the advantages of equipment from other manufacturers.
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 11: 21
          Quote: Verdun

          Because there are a lot of people. which, praising the technology and armaments of one side, are stubbornly unwilling to recognize the merits of technology from other manufacturers.

          Without knowing the advantages of opposing technology, you will not find ways to counter it.
          1. -1
            April 16 2016 11: 24
            Without knowing the advantages of opposing technology, you will not find ways to counter it.

            Your words, yes, some rabid critics in the ears!))
      3. 0
        April 16 2016 11: 22
        You forgot to mention the 60 mm minamet mounted on the tower at the back, as well as new radio stations and an automatic transmission. As well as the modernization of the BTR-152 and the use of PT-76 tanks by Ariel Sharon in the Doomsday War smile
      4. 0
        April 16 2016 18: 36
        I can only add that the IDF Ahzarit still uses, and they are based on the T-55. Well, they created the structure 60 years ago, which is still not the most backward Israeli army, with all its love for the latest types of weapons, it uses it with pleasure.
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 22: 10
          I like Akhzarit ... there is information that Azerbaijan will upgrade its T-54/55 into this model, which in turn are in storage.
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  20. +1
    April 16 2016 11: 45
    In the future, Azerbaijan will purchase modern technology, and then the war will continue, and most likely will end badly for Karabakh and Armenia.
    1. +5
      April 16 2016 18: 39
      Quote: Vadim237
      In the future, Azerbaijan will purchase modern technology, and then the war will continue, and most likely will end badly for Karabakh and Armenia.

      The solution to the Ar-Az conflict (as well as ours with the Palestinians) lies outside the war zone. It is necessary to negotiate.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 20: 51
        This war will now provide Israel with orders for military equipment from Azerbaijan.
      2. +1
        April 16 2016 23: 15
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the future, Azerbaijan will purchase modern technology, and then the war will continue, and most likely will end badly for Karabakh and Armenia.

        The solution to the Ar-Az conflict (as well as ours with the Palestinians) lies outside the war zone. It is necessary to negotiate.


        You will not agree with the Palestinians ... as we are with the Armenians hi I am sure about that.
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  22. +2
    April 16 2016 11: 57
    The Karabakh problem by the world is almost impossible to solve. Need a final fight. After that, the problem will be solved.
  23. 0
    April 16 2016 13: 53
    VO, but today it’s exactly 20 years since they shot the 245msp column. Do you remember the best friend of the Tambovskaya organized crime group every day, and the guys who died in that war are not worth it? It is sinful to forget this, especially since many of my fellow citizens are already trying on a Monomakh hat on Kadyrov’s head.
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  25. +1
    April 16 2016 14: 27
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    The crew of the Mi-24 - 2 people .... the pilot and the operator of the 3rd began to "add" "proactively" during the "Afghan" war, as a method of self-defense of the helicopter from hitting the machine from the "ground". That is, in each case were deciding whether a "third" was needed ?! Conclusion: why is there such confidence that the "Azerbaijanis" flew "three together"?

    On the Mi-24, the technician’s board is in the cargo compartment and monitors the readings of the devices located on the armored partition, and is also responsible for the landing. through the side doors. At the chemist, 2 more operators of the RBDB airborne complex are still flying.
    http://airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi24a.html
  26. +1
    April 16 2016 14: 56
    For good reason, Azerbaijan has massively purchased military equipment. Mostly in Russia. The propaganda effect of past defeats is evident.
  27. +1
    April 16 2016 15: 31
    Quote: 72jora72
    72jora72 Today, 10:15 ↑
    A total of 20 burnt Armenian tanks only officially and only Israeli weapons. And where do you get such numbers, sources do not disclose?

    Azerbaijanis said. laughing
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 16: 24
      If only the photographs showed these 20 destroyed Armenian tanks.
      1. +4
        April 16 2016 18: 22
        Quote: Vadim237
        If only the photographs showed these 20 destroyed Armenian tanks.


        Armenian tanks were knocked out in Armenian positions. What could be removed was removed from a drone. Sorry of course, but the Armenians would hardly have let our photojournalists go there)) wink
    2. +2
      April 16 2016 16: 48
      I do not know about 20 tanks. But the Armenian president himself admitted about 18 tanks and several other techniques.
  28. +3
    April 16 2016 15: 56
    I look at the tolerant attitude to this conflict here, and they are both wrong, the Armenians are impudent, all reasonable peace-loving, but we don’t have any other allies and Ayzerbarjan is needed only because Armenia is our ally and as soon as he solves this problem immediately request NATO to protect against Russian oppressors.
    1. +2
      April 16 2016 16: 48
      Do not wang please.
  29. 0
    April 16 2016 16: 45
    [media = http: //yandex.ru/video/search? p = 3 & filmId = VeUm27JgUXI & text = Karabakh% 20night
    st% 20boy]
  30. +2
    April 16 2016 16: 45
    For me, this mess has shown one thing - the Lord's opponents need to sit on opposite each other 'shove ambitions in the ass and painstakingly solve the issue peacefully for a long time!
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 17: 27
      It would be nice of course, but this is from the realm of fantasy, unfortunately.
    2. +2
      April 16 2016 17: 52
      For more than 20 years we have been trying to solve this problem by the world. Apparently it doesn’t work.
  31. +2
    April 16 2016 16: 49
    According to official data, the Azerbaijani side lost in the course of hostilities from 2 to 5 on April, 31 people were killed, one Mi-24 helicopter and one tank (damaged in a mine)


    Does anyone believe in such a "grace" ??
    Isn't it easier to "light up" real data?
    There will be more respect.
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 16: 55
      The cutest era of technology is now. It is not possible to hide something. If we would have rubbed more, it would be clarified. But the Armenians say that Azerbaijan rubbed 300 people and then generally said that 2500.)))))
      1. +2
        April 16 2016 18: 06
        You know Fatih, look at the photo where your first lady at a meeting with the mothers of those who died these days will understand a lot.
        1. 0
          April 16 2016 18: 30
          And not only saw this photo but also watched the video.))) Do you know what kind of meeting was there and who participated there? Here answer this question.
          1. +2
            April 16 2016 18: 53
            I answer, your site uploaded a photo, and clearly wrote, the first lady of Azerbaijan with the mothers of the dead martyrs. And who participated there, not a word was said. Mother and your first lady, not a word about anyone else.
            1. +1
              April 16 2016 19: 03
              Quote: Stavros
              I answer, your site uploaded a photo, and clearly wrote, the first lady of Azerbaijan with the mothers of the dead martyrs. And who participated there, not a word was said. Mother and your first lady, not a word about anyone else.

              Dear, you had to read to the end. )))
        2. +1
          April 16 2016 18: 31
          Quote: Stavros
          You know Fatih, look at the photo where your first lady at a meeting with the mothers of those who died these days will understand a lot.

          )) Stavros, more than half of the women deputies there are women, officials of various stripes who have no relation to the relatives of the people who died there. There are losses, no one denies. But they are 1 in 1. For attackers they are very tolerable.
          1. 0
            April 16 2016 23: 22
            Quote: lonely
            Quote: Stavros
            You know Fatih, look at the photo where your first lady at a meeting with the mothers of those who died these days will understand a lot.

            )) Stavros, more than half of the women deputies there are women, officials of various stripes who have no relation to the relatives of the people who died there. There are losses, no one denies. But they are 1 in 1. For attackers they are very tolerable.


            With smart and adequate troop control, we can achieve all 10k1, or even 20k1. And this is not from the realm of fantasy. Artillery is a very scary thing. If the means of long-distance combat of the Armenians are eliminated, the war in Garabakh will be a horror for them. We can literally burn out from the fortified areas of Armenia with minimal losses. In fact, the Azerbaijani infantry will simply kill the survivors.
      2. +2
        April 16 2016 18: 14
        But simply, dear, with the nature of the hostilities that took place, on that scale,
        with the forces that were involved in it, with all these offensives and counterattacks:
        it is impossible to bear just such losses. Impossible.
        This is not Hollywood and not a computer strategy.
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 18: 34
          Dear, if our army would have moved deeper then there would have been more deaths. But our goal was to capture the heights.
          1. +3
            April 16 2016 19: 07
            I wanted to ask everyone, but if the Armenians ran, would you also remain at the heights? Most likely the limitation of your success is determined by the size of the captured stars. But still, against the background of past epic defeats - even this result can be considered outstanding.
            1. +2
              April 16 2016 19: 23
              Quote: Kenneth
              I wanted to ask everyone, but if the Armenians ran, would you also remain at the heights?

              Constantine, the specifics of the terrain and terrain forces us to do what was done. A strategic defensive line with the capture of dominant heights was broken.
              Quote: Kenneth
              The limitation of your success is determined by the size of the stars captured.


              Pteri at the enemy and we have a manpower of 1 to 1, they lost 14 to 1 equipment, we just lost 1 helicopter (also 1 to 1 on helicopters, given that a year and a half, two years ago, ours also shot them down 24, taken heights and positions. Who asked who gave the stars? Maybe we rally in our capital and blame Russia for betrayal, tear down and burn your flags?
              1. +1
                April 16 2016 19: 39
                You have been given a sound star. Having an overwhelming superiority in tanks, aircraft, infantry and finally dough, you took several heights with special forces, which is of little importance in the mountainous terrain - the Armenians were fixed on the next chain of heights. Of course, you can be proud of the successful use of Jewish pturs against tanks in caponiers, then this is a celebration for the crowd. And we all understand. This is an insignificant incident for you - success, first of all, not because you took something there, but because you managed not to lose and secure a truce for yourself. Now that the oil has risen in price, you will buy a couple of dozen Sparks, and you can borrow. And the main success is that your special forces did not run, but fought, and the infantry sought to come to the rescue, rather than dissolve in the rear. That's what respect is for.
                1. +3
                  April 16 2016 19: 52
                  Quote: Kenneth
                  You have been given a sound star. Having an overwhelming superiority in tanks, aircraft, infantry and finally dough, you took several heights with special forces, which is of little importance in the mountainous terrain - the Armenians were fixed on the next chain of heights. Of course, you can be proud of the successful use of Jewish pturs against tanks in caponiers, then this is a celebration for the crowd. And we all understand. This is an insignificant incident for you - success, first of all, not because you took something there, but because you managed not to lose and secure a truce for yourself. Now that the oil has risen in price, you will buy a couple of dozen Sparks, and you can borrow. And the main success is that your special forces did not run, but fought, and the infantry sought to come to the rescue, rather than dissolve in the rear. That's what respect is for.

                  Most of all we needed to know the reaction of world society. And sorry accidentally clicked on the minus.
                2. 0
                  April 16 2016 23: 14
                  Quote: Kenneth
                  You have been given a sound star. Having an overwhelming superiority in tanks, aircraft, infantry and finally dough, you took several heights with special forces, which is of little importance in the mountainous terrain - the Armenians were fixed on the next chain of heights.

                  You are a strategist as a ballerina to me. Who will attack the heights with tanks? Have you ever served the cutest?
                  Quote: Kenneth
                  Now that the oil has risen in price, you will buy a couple of dozen Sparks, and you can borrow.


                  And at current oil prices, you can buy a decent amount of these missiles. By the way, the missile is called "Spike", not Spark))
                  Quote: Kenneth
                  And the main success is that your special forces did not run, but fought, and the infantry sought to come to the rescue, rather than dissolve in the rear. That's what respect is for.


                  The actions of the Special Forces groups fettered the enemy’s actions for almost 2 days. All units completed the tasks assigned to them. You simply cannot believe that the 2nd Motorized Rifle Brigades were assigned tasks that they completed in full. Nobody ordered them to take the villages and settlements.
            2. +1
              April 16 2016 19: 24
              In the 4-day battle, only advanced units and special forces took part. If we needed a big war then more human and technical forces would participate.
              1. +4
                April 16 2016 19: 41
                If you could have a big war, you wouldn’t regret the force. And your military leadership needed at least some success, to check the troops in order to start a big war in the future and be sure that you would not lose another quarter of your country.
      3. +1
        April 18 2016 11: 29
        Now is the era of flood in the information space.
        if you finance, in a week the whole world will discuss how a thousand aircraft over the Karabakh spaces were shot down in mutual air battles. Moreover, 999 Armenian and 1 Azerbaijani, and that is because the pilot went crazy, knocking down Armenians.
  32. +3
    April 16 2016 17: 42
    A classic of war ... the territory is not considered captured until it is stepped on the foot of an infantryman.
  33. +3
    April 16 2016 19: 08
    We discuss who lost how much, but we ignore the background of the batch. Namely, Aliyev’s visit to Washington and Turkey’s support. IMHO, with the consent of Washington, the Turks demonstrated to Russia that they could create a headache for the Kremlin in the Caucasus. There was no task to capture Karabakh, it was just a demonstration. Hypothetically, the great war between Armenia and Azerbaijan is capable of drawing Russia and Turkey into it. And three conflicts at the same time - Donbass, Syria, the Caucasus - a lot for the army of any power.
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 19: 25
      Quote: Ultima15
      Namely, Aliyev’s visit to Washington and Turkey’s support.

      Nonsense. Sargsyan was also there at that time.

      Quote: Ultima15
      And three conflicts at the same time - Donbass, Syria, the Caucasus - a lot for the army of any power.


      In the Donbass, the Russian army? You are not there)))
    2. +4
      April 16 2016 19: 28
      Quote: Ultima15
      . Namely, Aliyev’s visit to Washington

      So on April 1, Sargsyan was in Washington at the summit on nuclear safety.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 22: 17
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: Ultima15
        . Namely, Aliyev’s visit to Washington

        So on April 1, Sargsyan was in Washington at the summit on nuclear safety.


        Metsamor will not help the Armenians. It needs money to launch it, and they will not have enough even with the help of the lobby of Armenia.
        1. 0
          April 17 2016 02: 14
          > Metsamor will not help the Armenians.

          what is it about ? ANPP works next to this same Metsamor, since 1994
          1. +1
            April 17 2016 02: 30
            Quote: xtur
            > Metsamor will not help the Armenians.

            what is it about ? ANPP works next to this same Metsamor, since 1994


            I meant the Metsamor NPP. This does not give you enough energy. According to experts, to solve the energy problems of Armenia you need to build another NPP ... whose cost is estimated at least (!) At $ 5 billion. Can you afford it?
            1. 0
              April 17 2016 02: 40
              > $ 5 billion. Can you afford it?

              ANPP is still working. And apparently, it will work another 20 years. There is no reason to decommission it before this time
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 06: 46
                Quote: xtur
                > $ 5 billion. Can you afford it?

                ANPP is still working. And apparently, it will work another 20 years. There is no reason to decommission it before this time


                Let it work ... just ask you about one thing, do not accidentally arrange the Caucasian Chernobl by accident.
                1. 0
                  April 17 2016 10: 59
                  > purely by chance, do not arrange the Caucasian Chernoble.

                  in times of a market economy, the first place is not safety, but the production of money, this can be seen even from the experience of the Russian Federation, analyzing the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station. And the personnel at the ANPP are competent, many of its employees worked in Bushehr, launched this station.
    3. +1
      April 16 2016 19: 29
      You probably don’t know. Let me write to you so that you have information. Aliyev did not just go to the USA. There was a nuclear safety summit. The President of Armenia Sargsyan was still participating there.))) Better write what you know.
  34. +1
    April 16 2016 20: 07
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: HERMES
    Our commandos are not to blame for the fact that they are sitting in our intelligence dalb @ fuck.

    Quote: lonely
    .For the last 10 days, 4-5 Armenian and 1 our military were killed there.

    What are our? Ours do not fight there. And you can understand that the Russians are fighting there.

    He’s actually an Azerbaijani
    1. +3
      April 16 2016 20: 45
      Quote: Fatih88
      He’s actually an Azerbaijani

      I got what you mean. Just write about the battles in Karabakh under the Russian flag is not worth it - "ours". Our people do not want to be killed there. Even though Armenians, even Azerbaijanis.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 21: 06
        And I have the flag of the European Union. )) But I live in Baku)
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 22: 21
          Quote: Fatih88
          And I have the flag of the European Union. )) But I live in Baku)


          Countryman hi Help with those parts ... I have blocked the "place of residence" column ... here is the Russian flag. Although it may be fate) I love Russia)
          1. 0
            April 16 2016 22: 26
            Countryman I do not like the European Union. But I have their flag. )) I do not know how to change))
          2. +2
            April 16 2016 22: 29
            Hermes is the birthplace where the soul is good, For example, I was good at the top of Elbrus, the soul sang after a 10-hour rise. The flag is the little things. And I was offended when I rescued an Azerbaijani mountain climber on Kazbek, and he spat in my face when he found out that I was from Armenia.
            1. +1
              April 16 2016 23: 29
              Quote: esti1979
              And I was offended when I rescued an Azerbaijani climber on Kazbek, and he spat in my face when he found out that I was from Armenia


              This one was worthy of mutual spitting. But though ... what to take from the poor.
            2. 0
              April 17 2016 19: 22
              And I was very struck when at the institute in which I was studying, Azerbaijanis arranged a natural holiday after the Armenian earthquake. This is me to what happens there are concerned. The main thing is not to absolutize.
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 19: 50
                Quote: Kenneth
                And I was very struck when at the institute in which I was studying, Azerbaijanis arranged a natural holiday after the Armenian earthquake. This is me to what happens there are concerned. The main thing is not to absolutize.


                But other Azerbaijanis were sent to Spitak to save the buried alive. And he saved a lot.
  35. 0
    April 16 2016 20: 07
    There are people among you who served in the OTRK in Soviet times. The next question is if there was a topospheric communications station with an army submission missile and artillery brigade. What is the likelihood that in this part were on a special warhead. Enlighten please.
  36. 0
    April 16 2016 20: 33
    Quote: Olezhek
    The list of shareholders was seen, not one Armenian lobby will help. And if we consider that the pipeline was considered as a possible route


    You don’t know the Armenians well: you’ll snag it - they will grind both the oil pipeline and oil mines ...


    We’ll wrap up the radioactive waste repository worse, lay it in Elbrus’s place and set the barrage in the direction of Baku, and we will be glad to see how their S-300 which Baku guards this missile at an altitude of 5 km will be intercepted, and then there will be a wind rose. We also have enough psychos to do this. This conflict has no solution; this will be the final solution to the issue of civilians, which Azerbaijan does not need. This is a war of destruction.
    1. +2
      April 16 2016 20: 50
      Quote: esti1979
      We’ll open up the radioactive waste repository worse

      By the way, are you watching American TV shows?
      there recently everyone remembers the "Armenian mafia". TOP serials are filmed by someone ... So you are quietly "poured". There is something to think about, about "image".
      1. +1
        April 16 2016 21: 14
        No series I do not watch. And as an option it may be that we have a Metsamor NPP and there are delivery vehicles. And so I repeat these actions of Azerbaijan was 100% adventurism. Once again, the war was started by politicians, and the rest of the population is sacking it. I just didn’t want to see anyone who is now signing up to look through the Kolimatra on my AKSU. Everywhere there are inadequacies. Which, for the sake of political interests, bring to life everything and everyone. In 2, in our countries, a generation has grown that hates each other. Therefore, we will kill each other to the last person. I know that among Azerbaijanis there are adequate people who are not obscured by propaganda, that Armenia is the enemy, so I see how everyone is fighting for death here, and it becomes disgusting for those guys who died for the sake of these ideals not to be returned. And who returned then will suffer nightmares and they will have to be treated. And the most interesting thing is that many who are now fighting here are far from their homeland, and do not see how their peers are being buried, and they should not make a choice at the forefront of being killed or killed. Then they would know the price of life, one tank is a crew of 1988 people, one gun is a calculation of 3 people to continue ... Respect the fallen - value life.
        1. +2
          April 16 2016 21: 32
          Quote: esti1979
          I know that among Azerbaijanis there are adequate people who are not obscured by propaganda, that Armenia is an enemy, so I look at how everyone here is fighting for death,

          For starters, you will return to the old borders of the NKAR, then start the dialogue.
          Quote: esti1979
          And as an option it may be that we have a Metsamor NPP and there are delivery vehicles.

          Well, if you talk about it, then you have serious problems.
          1. +2
            April 16 2016 21: 43
            I respect, it is said on your part firmly in a manly way. Just show me at least one document where the Azerbaijani government guarantees the security of the Armenian population. I repeat that we will kill each other to the last person. And at the moment, missiles from BM-21 flew through peaceful villages. Interesting pigeons of peace aren't they?
            1. +2
              April 16 2016 21: 51
              Quote: esti1979
              I respect, it is said on your part firmly in a manly way. Just show me at least one document where the Azerbaijani government guarantees the security of the Armenian population. I repeat that we will kill each other to the last person. And at the moment, missiles from BM-21 flew through peaceful villages. Interesting pigeons of peace aren't they?

              Find "worthy mediators" to start with who are not interested in this conflict.
              You can’t look at the CIS. And start negotiations.
              Countries must be really neutral.
              Make a program like 100 steps to the world. And TD ...
              1. 0
                April 16 2016 21: 59
                Unfortunately, I do not decide like you. This is decided by the puppeteers, not one of our countries does not have our own opinion, we should look back at large games. Therefore, this conflict will last forever because it is a factor of influence on all regional games such as Turkey and Iran. As we are commanded, so will our politicians. The only way is simply to disobey the order, but there is no certainty that the parties will do the same. But no one wants to die ...
                1. +2
                  April 16 2016 22: 26
                  I have vague doubts (and have long suspected that something like this could be) that all this was pre-staged and agreed upon, at the very highest levels, even with the leadership of Azerbaijan and Armenia and some world capitals, in order to give an impetus to the stalled negotiations and to show to their peoples and the world, through the example of numerous victims and destruction (no matter how sacrilegious it sounds now) that bloodshed is an alternative to compromises.
            2. +2
              April 16 2016 22: 44
              Quote: esti1979
              I respect, it is said on your part firmly in a manly way. Just show me at least one document where the Azerbaijani government guarantees the security of the Armenian population.


              I’ll tell you honestly ... in case of defeat, take your mothers away ... your families ... from Karabakh ... animals that they call themselves Azerbaijanis ... animals that I will never call my countrymen, will arrange genocide there. the bastards who threw Armenians from the balconies in Sumgait and Baku. They are no different from the evil spirits of Armenian origin from Dashnaktsutyun. I am afraid that the whole of Garabakh will turn into one big Khojaly.

              They denigrate my nation with their wickedness and inhuman bloodthirstiness. They are not Azerbaijanis.
              1. 0
                April 16 2016 22: 49
                Dear Hermes, we also had Ghouls who killed, robbed and raped. If I come across these, I’ll shoot them down without conscience. Both grandfathers of the Great Fatherland passed with me, and they taught what officer honor was from childhood. The main thing you understand me. Many thanks.
              2. 0
                April 16 2016 22: 52
                HERMES what did you write understand?
                1. +2
                  April 16 2016 23: 35
                  Quote: Fatih88
                  HERMES what did you write understand?


                  I’m not a hypocrite ... I’m a patriot. And I will write the truth that I believe in. I have been rejected a lot for my truth, but it is true and it was. I am not a traitor. I am not an oppositionist, whom I consider to be the 5th column. I patriot. Armenians are not my enemies ... my enemy is any person who will raise weapons against my house.

                  Faateh ... I ask you to understand this.
                  1. -2
                    April 16 2016 23: 53
                    HERMES Your thoughts are alien to me. I can’t understand even if I try. And believe most of our words do not see a patriot in your words ((But I do not say that you are not a patriot. But for me you are wrong. ((
              3. +5
                April 17 2016 00: 29
                Hermes surprised me, she didn’t expect her to read this from an Azerbaijani on this site.
                1. +2
                  April 17 2016 01: 34
                  Quote: Stavros
                  Hermes surprised me, she didn’t expect her to read this from an Azerbaijani on this site.


                  Do not judge a nation by looking at its worst fruits.
        2. +2
          April 16 2016 22: 32
          Quote: esti1979
          Respect the fallen - value life.


          You need to appreciate a person when he is alive, and not after he dies. The words of my grandfather.
      2. 0
        April 16 2016 21: 59
        It turns out that Italians have long been merged ...
    2. +1
      April 16 2016 22: 27
      Quote: esti1979
      Quote: Olezhek
      The list of shareholders was seen, not one Armenian lobby will help. And if we consider that the pipeline was considered as a possible route


      You don’t know the Armenians well: you’ll snag it - they will grind both the oil pipeline and oil mines ...


      We’ll wrap up the radioactive waste repository worse, lay it in Elbrus’s place and set the barrage in the direction of Baku, and we will be glad to see how their S-300 which Baku guards this missile at an altitude of 5 km will be intercepted, and then there will be a wind rose. We also have enough psychos to do this. This conflict has no solution; this will be the final solution to the issue of civilians, which Azerbaijan does not need. This is a war of destruction.


      Baku has very powerful anti-aircraft defense ... it can only be penetrated by a mass strike or using the tactics of network-centric warfare. You don’t have one or the other. About the latter ... I will share military secrets fellow , we have some groundwork in this area. In the event of a large-scale war from our UAVs (and not only), even EW will not save you.

      PS By the way ... I want to express my respect to you. I have not met such an adequate and educated Armenian on the Internet. hi
  37. +1
    April 16 2016 21: 04
    Quote: esti1979
    Quote: Olezhek
    The list of shareholders was seen, not one Armenian lobby will help. And if we consider that the pipeline was considered as a possible route


    You don’t know the Armenians well: you’ll snag it - they will grind both the oil pipeline and oil mines ...


    We’ll wrap up the radioactive waste repository worse, lay it in Elbrus’s place and set the barrage in the direction of Baku, and we will be glad to see how their S-300 which Baku guards this missile at an altitude of 5 km will be intercepted, and then there will be a wind rose. We also have enough psychos to do this. This conflict has no solution; this will be the final solution to the issue of civilians, which Azerbaijan does not need. This is a war of destruction.

    Well, try it. ))) Let's see after that what will happen)))
  38. +4
    April 16 2016 21: 22
    Quote: Fatih88
    And I have the flag of the European Union. )) But I live in Baku)

    And he was born in 1988, right, you served in the Army for 28 years with your higher education and now you drink coffee in a comfortable apartment, and the window shows the sea. What I missed, without any penalties .... The question is, can you, a boy who is 18 years old, did transport amputation after a mine explosion to bring it .... I hope not. therefore, I am not a supporter of the war, by profession I fall on it second, and finish it last ...
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 22: 04
      You guessed about my age. And guessed that from my apartment you can see the sea. I don’t drink coffee. I drink tea sometimes. And about the 18 year old guys were the war and the youngest in age. They learn to kill the enemy. The army is a school. I don’t see anything wrong with this, that an 18-year-old guy on a betrayal defends his homeland.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 22: 25
        Turn my experience of life and the level of training allows you to guess and analyze not only such trifles. Therefore, I lived to be 38 years old. Despite several injuries. And I suppose you drink black tea, long, chic?
        1. 0
          April 16 2016 23: 20
          Quote: esti1979
          Therefore, I lived to be 38 years old. Despite several injuries.


          Judging by the age you were called in 1997, where did you get injured? In what direction did you serve, can you tell if it’s not difficult?
          1. 0
            April 16 2016 23: 39
            Everywhere where the homeland ordered the call sign 405 your name is
    2. +2
      April 16 2016 22: 53
      Quote: esti1979
      Quote: Fatih88
      And I have the flag of the European Union. )) But I live in Baku)

      And he was born in 1988, right, you served in the Army for 28 years with your higher education and now you drink coffee in a comfortable apartment, and the window shows the sea. What I missed, without any penalties .... The question is, can you, a boy who is 18 years old, did transport amputation after a mine explosion to bring it .... I hope not. therefore, I am not a supporter of the war, by profession I fall on it second, and finish it last ...


      Who knows what war is, he won’t say such things.

      Few people know what it is when you chop a soldier’s leg torn to shreds with a saw ...
  39. +1
    April 16 2016 21: 55
    Quote: esti1979
    No series I do not watch. And as an option it may be that we have a Metsamor NPP and there are delivery vehicles. And so I repeat these actions of Azerbaijan was 100% adventurism. Once again, the war was started by politicians, and the rest of the population is sacking it. I just didn’t want to see anyone who is now signing up to look through the Kolimatra on my AKSU. Everywhere there are inadequacies. Which, for the sake of political interests, bring to life everything and everyone. In 2, in our countries, a generation has grown that hates each other. Therefore, we will kill each other to the last person. I know that among Azerbaijanis there are adequate people who are not obscured by propaganda, that Armenia is the enemy, so I see how everyone is fighting for death here, and it becomes disgusting for those guys who died for the sake of these ideals not to be returned. And who returned then will suffer nightmares and they will have to be treated. And the most interesting thing is that many who are now fighting here are far from their homeland, and do not see how their peers are being buried, and they should not make a choice at the forefront of being killed or killed. Then they would know the price of life, one tank is a crew of 1988 people, one gun is a calculation of 3 people to continue ... Respect the fallen - value life.

    We are all mortal. Sooner or later, we will all die. I would choose a worthy of death. Fighting for their homeland.
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 22: 03
      It is your choice and your burden. I wish you to live to a very old age and see your great-grandchildren. You always have time to die. As my instructor said, the main thing is not when, but how and how much you take with you. We are all mortal.
  40. 0
    April 16 2016 22: 09
    Quote: esti1979
    This is your choice and your burden. I wish you to live to a very old age and see your great-grandchildren. You always have time to die. As my instructor said, the main thing is not when, but how and how much you take with you. We are all mortal.

    Smart was your instructor. Well said.
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 22: 13
      In general, a good man was Rusmatov Ruslan for his head your government gave $ 100.
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 22: 14
        Quote: esti1979
        In general, a good man was Rusmatov Ruslan for his head your government gave $ 100.

        As I understand it, he is not an Armenian
        1. 0
          April 16 2016 22: 20
          No, not Armenians at the beginning who fought for you, I thought that you were Hrestians, then I saw crosses on the Afghans of the murdered Armenians and clarified with yours what and how. And that night, they crossed our paths sending 15 of yours to Allah, the GRU colonel was in the USSR after Afghanistan.
          1. 0
            April 16 2016 22: 27
            The first time I hear about him. )))
            1. 0
              April 16 2016 22: 33
              There was still an instructor sniper fighting call sign a tiger. He lived in Chechnya for a long time and looked like a Chechen. In intelligence search, he captured his brother Udugov in 1993. He had the most effective shot from the SVD from 1300 m. He is one of those who stormed Omar in 1994. many of our Russian specialists trained.
  41. 0
    April 16 2016 22: 32
    Quote: esti1979
    In general, a good man was Rusmatov Ruslan for his head your government gave $ 100.

    Tell me, dear, your post about the "wild division" to the comments to another article has not been challenged or confirmed for some reason ...
  42. 0
    April 16 2016 22: 35
    Quote: Uliss
    Quote: esti1979
    In general, a good man was Rusmatov Ruslan for his head your government gave $ 100.

    Tell me, dear, your post about the "wild division" to the comments to another article has not been challenged or confirmed for some reason ...

    Let others afflict or abrogate. If I’m talking about something, it means to know something.
  43. +1
    April 16 2016 22: 37
    Your posts inspire confidence, I wonder why, on the other hand, everyone was silent
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 22: 44
      I do not offend anyone and do not prove anything, I just give information for consideration. And the thinking person understands me. I was taught to relate to the other as you want to be attributed to the ktebe.
    2. +2
      April 16 2016 23: 41
      Quote: Uliss
      Your posts inspire confidence, I wonder why, on the other hand, everyone was silent


      We are not silent ... we just need to hear.
  44. +1
    April 16 2016 22: 51
    Your assessment: Azerbaijan’s losses of 93 plus civilian and 2nd missing persons (the body of one of them was found today in Karabakh, I think) are close to the truth?
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 23: 15
      Today, two captured Azerbaijani saboteurs were shown on Armenian TV. May their relatives be calm, they are alive and in captivity. Their data was transferred to the ICC. I can’t confirm the losses of Azerbaijan, and I don’t want to let others do it. I can say that our losses, along with civilians, were about 120 people, 121 wounded who will be treated in hospital. In addition, the guys who got shell shocks and light stinging injuries and have not been hospitalized before have started to approach. They need outpatient treatment.
  45. +1
    April 16 2016 22: 59
    Quote: Uliss
    Your assessment: Azerbaijan’s losses of 93 plus civilian and 2nd missing persons (the body of one of them was found today in Karabakh, I think) are close to the truth?

    Dear already said one missing foreman. This is his body found. And about the fact that we have combat losses of 93 people. Again, I say no such thing. We lost 31 people, one helicopter and one tank. If someone has evidence that this is not so. So let it prove.
    1. +4
      April 16 2016 23: 25
      Quote: Fatih88
      Dear already said one missing foreman. This is his body found. And about the fact that we have combat losses of 93 people. Again, I say no such thing. We lost 31 people, one helicopter and one tank. If someone has evidence that this is not so. So let it prove.

      Fateh, 94 killed on our part is a fact. Why deny that it is obvious. + 6 civilians who died as a result of shelling of settlements. I would advise you not to hide this. These people died following the order of the command. The enemy has losses not less.
      1. -2
        April 16 2016 23: 33
        Countryman you about what wrote Maidan TV?
        1. 0
          April 17 2016 09: 13
          No, I have exact data. And no maidan tv for me is not a link
  46. +2
    April 16 2016 23: 01
    The fact that a group of Azerbaijani special forces completely died in the minefield indicates that they have a low level of training. The Turks most likely prepared them ...

    I think I'm even sure that the Armenians will eventually win again ... if there is a war ...

    Turks are bad teachers ...
    1. 0
      April 16 2016 23: 47
      Quote: From Samara
      Turks are bad teachers ...


      Anzac about the Dardannels, remind ... they will tell you the opposite. Remind the Balkans about this ... they will tell you.
      1. 0
        April 17 2016 01: 01
        For me, these historical examples are not Authoritative with all the losses of Turkey to Russia ... I prefer our Kings to ask ...
        1. -1
          April 17 2016 01: 37
          Quote: From Samara
          For me, these historical examples are not Authoritative with all the losses of Turkey to Russia ... I prefer our Kings to ask ...


          Nicholas II ask ... the man who shamed the Empire!
          1. 0
            April 17 2016 01: 54
            But Turkey is not here in business, not like ...
            1. 0
              April 17 2016 02: 01
              Quote: From Samara
              But Turkey is not here in business, not like ...


              Everything is interconnected...
              1. 0
                April 17 2016 02: 13
                No way ... Turkey was backward then ... The Germans pulled it a little ...
                1. -1
                  April 17 2016 08: 44
                  Quote: From Samara
                  No way ... Turkey was backward then ... The Germans pulled it a little ...


                  Backward ... which didn’t stop her from fucking half of Europe for five hundred years.
      2. +1
        April 17 2016 02: 26
        > ANZAC about the Dardanelles remind ... they will tell you

        there, from one third to half of the troops there were Armenians ... who were then cut out as a reward for serving the motherland
        1. 0
          April 17 2016 08: 43
          Quote: xtur
          > ANZAC about the Dardanelles remind ... they will tell you

          there, from one third to half of the troops there were Armenians ... who were then cut out as a reward for serving the motherland


          And without the Armenians they wouldn’t do it. Would you like to say?
          1. -1
            April 17 2016 11: 04
            > And without the Armenians, they would not have coped, you mean?

            how do I know ? in fact, the Armenians have always been good warriors, and no one has questioned their military qualities in the region.

            Greek sources said that at the battle of Gaugamela, that part of Darius’s army, in which the Armenian regiments were located, didn’t run, and almost defeated Parmenion’s troops, Alexander had to interrupt Darius’s pursuit in order to save this part of his army.
            1. -1
              April 17 2016 19: 48
              Quote: xtur
              Greek sources said that at the battle of Gaugamela, that part of Darius’s army, in which there were Armenian regiments, didn’t run, and almost defeated Parmenion’s troops


              Give the source. How many times I read about that war, I have never seen anything about the Armenians there.
  47. -1
    April 16 2016 23: 05
    Quote: From Samara
    The fact that a group of Azerbaijani special forces completely died in the minefield indicates that they have a low level of training. The Turks most likely prepared them ...

    I think I'm even sure that the Armenians will eventually win again ... if there is a war ...

    Turks are bad teachers ...

    Did you check our specialists' level of training?
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 23: 10
      I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...
      1. 0
        April 16 2016 23: 21
        This is not so, they fled to our positions through a minefield, under fire. Is special forces another question. But there were not so many of them in the first batch. The positions also had hand-to-hand combat using cold steel. A shoulder in a narrow trench is better than a submachine gun. then there was a second wave.
        1. -1
          April 17 2016 01: 07
          For a special forces soldier for a fight in a limited space, there is primarily a gun, then a shooting knife ... The shoulder blade is a poorly equipped fighter ...
        2. +2
          April 17 2016 01: 43
          Quote: esti1979
          This is not so, they fled to our positions through a minefield, under fire. Is special forces another question. But there were not so many of them in the first batch.


          Whatever it was and whoever it was - they ran, and did not run back, as some are trying to prove to us.
      2. +1
        April 16 2016 23: 54
        Quote: From Samara
        I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...


        You don’t know our real special forces. They will not run, I answer. They ran into mines due to the moron of intelligence. When attacking and seizing a position, no one was blown up. This time the special forces had the task of holding the position until the infantry arrived. The infantry did not have time. I had to leave ... and lured them into the minefield by heavy shelling from Armenian positions. I am sure ... they did not know that there was a minefield. The commando is also a man, he is not armored.
  48. -1
    April 16 2016 23: 18
    Quote: From Samara
    I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...

    Have you been there yourself?
    1. +1
      April 16 2016 23: 31
      Probably no. And unfortunately, I have already visited these areas. I saw a lot from 03/04 to 07/04. The Azerbaijani special forces cannot be underestimated. This is not correct. It all depends on personnel and motivation. The Turkish field gendarmerie has been fighting the PKK for many years; these are well-trained soldiers who are trained for this type of operation. And if the Azerbaijani special forces threw them into a minefield, this does not mean his unsuitability, but speaks of poor leadership that uses people for the preparation of which very serious money, time and resources of the country have been spent like cannon fodder. This is the decision of their country and they should ask their leadership for it.
      1. +1
        April 16 2016 23: 40
        Tell me, it turns out most of the Armenian victims died from long-range weapons, and the Azerbaijani from small arms in direct contact?
        1. +1
          April 16 2016 23: 58
          Yes, in close fire contact we had an advantage. The main losses we suffered at the points of permanent deployment from the MLRS fire. Our soldiers held their positions until the last, because the reserves from the battalion points could not come because of the shelling. Then, all through 02/04, from areas where the enemy managed to break through, they came out in scattered groups, bearing wounded on them, almost without ammunition. But there were few such sites.
          1. 0
            April 17 2016 00: 18
            As for the poor fellow who came to us ... who is he really? If he really is a saboteur ... I condole with your special forces belay Archive 2014.
            1. +1
              April 17 2016 01: 20
              Some kind of circus ... Armenian saboteur and a flag ... why did they plant a flag on him? It's funny ...

              And the guards need a psychiatrist ... who entrusted their weapons to them?
              1. +1
                April 17 2016 01: 44
                Quote: From Samara
                And the guards need a psychiatrist ... who entrusted their weapons to them?

                What's wrong with the escorts? bully
                1. 0
                  April 17 2016 01: 56
                  Why are these show-offs with fists clamped? Ponty destiny of sick and weak people ...
                  1. -1
                    April 17 2016 05: 45
                    Quote: From Samara
                    Why are these show-offs with fists clamped? Ponty destiny of sick and weak people ...


                    In war, all means are good ... and show off too bully
              2. +2
                April 17 2016 10: 49
                The guy was taken in civilian clothes (this is his blue T-shirt), then he was given a camouflage in captivity. In the initial video, where in the Azerbaijani village where he came and the local kids shot him on the phone, he is wearing this t-shirt. I went into the woman’s house and asked for tea, then she called her son and called the military. Here he is such a touched saboteur. So that the shame-tale about the saboteur would not open he was tortured to death.
            2. +3
              April 17 2016 08: 39
              This saboteur shepherd with a developmental disorder came to you in a fog, got lost looking for an animal. how he crossed and did not undermine is not clear. And one nuance is very difficult for us to get the Turkish unloading that is on it. That you have a lot of them. And on it she is. Think for yourself what a saboteur it is.
              1. +4
                April 17 2016 11: 07
                By the way, when he was caught, he was in white sneakers and in some kind of jacket, and then showed him in army boots)))
            3. +2
              April 17 2016 10: 43
              This is just a little crazy guy from a border village, it seems a shepherd.
            4. +1
              April 18 2016 13: 07
              The video is complete nonsense ... This is a shepherd maximum, but not a saboteur, or even just a warrior ... In all the photos shown, people are photographed from the back ... In the photo, the engineering equipment is bridge spacers, and the dude is told that he is a sapper and judging by the demolition equipment ... Two assault rifles, two RPGs, RPG-7s, three grenades for 7-ke, a bunch of shops, mines, checkers ... Just some kind of Terminator ... Bullshit and staging for suckers ...
              It's a pity if he was actually tortured by these "warriors of Allah" ... And they love to play with the prisoners ...
      2. +1
        April 17 2016 00: 03
        Quote: esti1979
        Azerbaijani special forces cannot be underestimated.


        I am very nervous about the constant reports about the "destruction of Azerbaijani saboteurs" ... very ... I know them. They are not cowards ...
      3. +1
        April 17 2016 00: 07
        soldier Special Forces are special forces ...
        1. +2
          April 17 2016 12: 37
          Special Forces - usually light infantry
          with highly individual training of fighters.
          Do not exaggerate their significance.
          Special Forces holds a short defined
          operation and departs. Otherwise, he will certainly be surrounded and
          destroyed with heavy weapons.

          There was a similar episode in the war in Ossetia: the battalion
          Georgian special forces conducted a successful night attack
          in the suburbs of Tskhinval, captured several blocks.
          And then what? But nothing: the Russians retreated, regrouped, and in the morning
          covered them with mortars. Georgians retreated into the forest -
          they were also covered there, inflicting losses. And they went back to the mountains in Georgia.
          1. 0
            April 18 2016 11: 32
            battalion???
            why such a crowd with light weapons?
    2. 0
      April 17 2016 00: 59
      I am a citizen of Russia. There is a video above, I made such conclusions about the location of the bodies of the dead soldiers, it shows that the soldiers died from mines ...
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  49. +1
    April 16 2016 23: 31
    Quote: Fatih88
    Quote: From Samara
    I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...

    Have you been there yourself?

    Name the number of injured from Azerbaijan and refute the data of Meydantv and https://caspiandefense.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/c%C9%99bh%C9%99-x%C9%99ttind%C9%
    99-h%C9%99lak-olan-az%C9%99rbaycan-h%C9%99rbcil%C9%99rinin-adlari-v%C9%99-fotola
    ri /
  50. 0
    April 16 2016 23: 32
    Quote: esti1979
    Today, two captured Azerbaijani saboteurs were shown on Armenian TV. May their relatives be calm, they are alive and in captivity. Their data was transferred to the ICC. I can’t confirm the losses of Azerbaijan, and I don’t want to let others do it. I can say that our losses, along with civilians, were about 120 people, 121 wounded who will be treated in hospital. In addition, the guys who got shell shocks and light stinging injuries and have not been hospitalized before have started to approach. They need outpatient treatment.

    Are you talking about two old people who captivated 2 years ago?
  51. 0
    April 16 2016 23: 42
    Quote: Uliss
    Quote: Fatih88
    Quote: From Samara
    I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...

    Have you been there yourself?

    Name the number of injured from Azerbaijan and refute the data of Meydantv and https://caspiandefense.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/c%C9%99bh%C9%99-x%C9%99ttind%C9%


    99-h%C9%99lak-olan-az%C9%99rbaycan-h%C9%99rbcil%C9%99rinin-adlari-v%C9%99-fotola


    ri /

    Yes, an oppositionist who lives in Germany. And who himself admits that he took the source from social networks.)) How many times have they proven that he does not check the information. And each time he apologized for being wrong. )) He is sending our living soldiers to the next world once again. He couldn't prove anything. And we proved that the person on the list is alive. )))
  52. 0
    April 16 2016 23: 46
    Number of wounded?
  53. 0
    April 16 2016 23: 51
    Quote: Fatih88
    Quote: Uliss
    Quote: Fatih88
    Quote: From Samara
    I do not understand what you mean? And I'm talking about the death of a special forces group in a minefield. So a group with very low qualifications can die. Even an ordinary infantry unit in conditions of war moves with engineering intelligence at least ... And in this case, the group most likely fled in a panic, and ran into mines ...

    Have you been there yourself?

    Name the number of injured from Azerbaijan and refute the data of Meydantv and https://caspiandefense.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/c%C9%99bh%C9%99-x%C9%99ttind%C9%



    99-h%C9%99lak-olan-az%C9%99rbaycan-h%C9%99rbcil%C9%99rinin-adlari-v%C9%99-fotola



    ri /

    Yes, an oppositionist who lives in Germany. And who himself admits that he took the source from social networks.)) How many times have they proven that he does not check the information. And each time he apologized for being wrong. )) He is sending our living soldiers to the next world once again. He couldn't prove anything. And we proved that the person on the list is alive. )))

    How many people from that list are alive? And the link to the Khazar Institute, didn’t you notice it? this is already the second Azerbaijani source...
  54. 0
    April 17 2016 00: 00
    How many relatives of martyrs are there and how many deputies are there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VnNJUPHAdc
  55. 0
    April 17 2016 00: 34
    Now conclusions.
    1.Who started a new round of confrontation?
    answer: someone who is not satisfied with the current status quo
    2. Who won?
    answer: most likely a draw, because Armenia, due to the insignificance of the lost positions, did not return them in order to avoid unnecessary casualties
    3. The reliability of data from the Armenian Ministry of Defense inspires more confidence
    4. Azerbaijan’s plans failed because definitely expected more
    5. If Azerbaijan really scared Armenia, it will be noticeable during subsequent negotiations. If it’s the other way around, we’ll soon notice that too.
    6. Russia still controls both sides
    1. 0
      April 17 2016 00: 40
      And further. Judging by the deathly silence of his opponents, a number of invited Islamists still participated in that adventure, and this became Ilham’s main mistake, because they did not bring a change, they crap themselves and left without a slurp.
      1. +3
        April 17 2016 09: 18
        Quote: Uliss
        And further. Judging by the deathly silence of his opponents, a number of invited Islamists still participated in that adventure, and this became Ilham’s main mistake, because they did not bring a change, they crap themselves and left without a slurp.

        Maybe stop writing nonsense? What kind of ISIS fighter will fight for the Shiites? At least think before repeating the nonsense of some crazy people
    2. +2
      April 17 2016 01: 51
      Quote: Uliss
      Now conclusions.
      1.Who started a new round of confrontation?
      answer: someone who is not satisfied with the current status quo
      2. Who won?
      answer: most likely a draw, because Armenia, due to the insignificance of the lost positions, did not return them in order to avoid unnecessary casualties
      3. The reliability of data from the Armenian Ministry of Defense inspires more confidence
      4. Azerbaijan’s plans failed because definitely expected more
      5. If Azerbaijan really scared Armenia, it will be noticeable during subsequent negotiations. If it’s the other way around, we’ll soon notice that too.
      6. Russia still controls both sides


      I will say one thing - we used only a couple of percent of the available force (when almost everything we had was transferred from Armenia)... the strike of everything we have will be fatal for the NKR.
      1. 0
        April 17 2016 18: 11
        I will say one thing - we only used a couple of percent of the available power


        Dear, this is not a forum: “Visiting a fairy tale.” Azerbaijan played most of its trump cards.
        It didn’t.
        Then we can say that it was just an attempt...
        1. +1
          April 17 2016 19: 52
          Quote: Olezhek
          I will say one thing - we only used a couple of percent of the available power


          Dear, this is not a forum: “Visiting a fairy tale.” Azerbaijan played most of its trump cards.
          It didn’t.
          Then we can say that it was just an attempt...


          Stay with your opinion...but I’m directly in Azerbaijan, and I know more than you about what’s what.
  56. 0
    April 17 2016 00: 44
    Short to the point.

    The quality of special forces depends on the quality of the fighter. The main thing in a special forces soldier is not courage, not fanaticism, not devotion. The main thing is the ability to understand the essence, and patience. Everything else can be taught, taught... and not driven in, knocked out, punished... The main thing in teaching is that If only a fighter could be taught to control fear and emotions...
    1. 0
      April 17 2016 01: 55
      Quote: From Samara
      The main thing in the training is to teach the fighter to control fear and emotions...


      When your squad...your brothers are killed...all the teachings are bullshit compared to what happens in the soul of a fighter when he realizes this. He knows that he needs to move on, but he will return for the wounded...and most likely die with him.
      1. 0
        April 17 2016 02: 02
        That’s why your special forces, having the psychology that you reflected, died. In normal special forces, where there is selection for psychology, there is no outburst of emotions. And if in isolated cases this happens, the commander will immediately shoot such a fighter... Balanced people always survive and calm...
        1. +1
          April 17 2016 05: 51
          Quote: From Samara
          That’s why your special forces, having the psychology that you reflected, died. In normal special forces, where there is selection for psychology, there is no outburst of emotions. And if in isolated cases this happens, the commander will immediately shoot such a fighter... Balanced people always survive and calm...


          ...and who abandon their wounded “colleagues” on the battlefield...
          I wouldn't want to be shoulder to shoulder with you in battle...
          1. 0
            April 17 2016 12: 52
            Gee...I haven’t written anything about the wounded yet...

            In the Spetsnaz there is psychological training, they reject the sentimental ones... It's not about me, it's about the training system.

            The top priority for special forces is always the execution of orders... sometimes using specific methods...

            You will not find yourself shoulder to shoulder with me, you will be rejected right away at the first stage...You talk a lot...without understanding the essence!
            1. -1
              April 17 2016 19: 54
              Quote: From Samara
              They will immediately reject you at the first stage...You talk a lot...without understanding the essence!


              Oh well...
  57. +1
    April 17 2016 01: 25
    The level of frankness reached its maximum during that discussion. Now tell me, Azerbaijan, how do you see a solution to the conflict? Will Armenian troops leave Karabakh and peace will come?
    1. +2
      April 17 2016 01: 57
      Quote: Uliss
      The level of frankness reached its maximum during that discussion. Now tell me, Azerbaijan, how do you see a solution to the conflict? Will Armenian troops leave Karabakh and peace will come?


      Either we or they... a war to destroy... faith. Whoever breaks first will lose.
  58. +3
    April 17 2016 09: 02
    As a result of yesterday's discussion, we came to the following conclusions:
    1.It's a draw.
    2. The number of losses is hidden by both sides so as not to create panic among the population, because despite the screams and tearing of vests, both countries are not ready for a long war of attrition.
    3. Energetic actions of Russia stopped the outbreak of a full-scale war and the entry of Turkey and Iran into it.
    4. BD showed the moral stability of the personnel of the NKR Army, which in the forward positions held back special forces attacks under artillery fire, without the approach of reserves, also engaging in hand-to-hand combat with them.
    5. They showed the poor training of the linear units of the Azerbaijan Army, because According to the assurances of the participants from the Azerbaijani side, they were unable to replace the special forces because they came under fire from cut-off positions.
    6. There is no peaceful solution to this conflict; it will be a war of destruction.
    7. What remains are political maneuvers and bribed officials.
    8. The failure of the Intelligence agencies or simply no one took their information seriously, as the Russians say, both sides hoped at random.
    9. Several generations of people have been lost whose brains are filled with ancient propaganda that say kill your own kind on the other side and save your homeland.
    10. Confrontation will reach its climax in the near future as the two sides have declared victory unless they are strongly influenced by the United States, Russia, Turkey and Iran.
    11.There are adequate people in Azerbaijan and Armenia who are not afraid to express their opinions and are imbued with respect for each other.
    For this I will take my leave. And Azerbaijani long tea is good; they import it to us through Georgia.
    1. +1
      April 17 2016 09: 21
      Quote: esti1979
      1.It's a draw.

      I do not agree.
      Quote: esti1979
      2. The number of losses is hidden by both sides so as not to create panic among the population, because

      I won't argue about this.
      Quote: esti1979
      11.There are adequate people in Azerbaijan and Armenia who are not afraid to express their opinions and are imbued with respect for each other.

      .what's true is true
  59. -2
    April 18 2016 07: 53
    The stupidity of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis is indescribable. The funniest thing about this whole circus is that they all flee to Russia and get along well on Russian soil. Warriors, you just need to transfer your territories to Russia, like in the good old days, and you will live in peace and harmony. After all, as the well-known saying says: “A fool’s glass... won’t last long. Either he breaks it or loses it.” That’s how it is, gentlemen. Stop making fools of yourself and inconveniencing people.
  60. 0
    April 18 2016 10: 31
    I don't like all this! When the “customers” are specifically named and simply hanged, only then will it be possible to talk about the start of full-scale peace negotiations.

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