Multiple Vector Deadlock

Uzbekistan’s maneuvers lead him further away from Russia

Uzbekistan, like other countries of Central Asia, did not get the best part of the Soviet army after the collapse of the USSR. The country received a limited number of vehicles, mostly obsolete.

Due to the extreme closeness of Uzbekistan, it is rather difficult to judge the state of its Armed Forces. In particular, there is no data on purchases of new equipment (except for Russian BTR-80 and American armored vehicles Oshkosh, Cougar and MaxxRo), while the existing ones became outdated over the past years even more, and the country does not have its own production. Very contradictory information about the level of training of personnel. Apparently, it is quite high only in special units (air assault, SBR and special purpose brigades).

Tashkent is pursuing a so-called multi-vector foreign policy, as a result of which it has very difficult relations with Russia, the USA and all the countries of Central Asia without exception. Cooperation with China is developing quite successfully, but this has not yet affected the military sphere.

On the wing got only aircraft factory

Ground forces are divided into five military districts. The North-Western Military District, with its headquarters in Nukus, includes one motorized rifle brigade, which is also stationed here. The South-Western Military District (Karshi) has 3 (Navoi), 7 (Kokayty, Termez), 21 (Hairabad), 22 (Sherabad), 25 (Karshi), MSCR, and another such in Bukhara, as well as the 23 artillery and 80 artillery brigade, stationed in Angora. Central Military District (Dzhizak): The 13 I Artillery Brigade (Kattakurgan) and the reserve MSS in Samarkand. East VO (Fergana): 17-I airborne assault (Fergana), 37 and 34-I reserve motorized rifle (both Andijan), 18-I artillery (Fergana) brigade. Tashkent IN: 4-I SBR, 15-I airborne assault (cropped), motorized rifle and artillery brigades. All are stationed in Chirchik. In addition, there are 15-i engineering and special purpose squad "Shield".

Tank the fleet consists of about 70 T-72, 80 T-80BV, 100 T-64, 179 extremely obsolete T-62. A few hundred T-64s are in storage in an unfit state. It is armed with 19 BRMs (13 BRDM-2, 6 BRM-1K), up to 580 BMP and BMD (120 BMD-1, 9 BMD-2, up to 180 BMP-1, 270 BMP-2), about 700 armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles ( up to 70 BTR-D, 24 BTR-60, 36 BTR-70, up to 290 BTR-80, 159 M-ATV “Oshkosh”, 50 “Cougar”, MachxRro and RG-33 each). In addition, up to 600 BMP-1/2 and BTR-60/70 are stored in non-operational condition. Of all this technology, only the BTR-80 and the unarmed American armored vehicles of four types, which are more likely vehicles than military vehicles, are quite modern. They have very low combat qualities (over the past year, the Yemeni Howsites destroyed up to 80 Saudi and Emirate Oshkoshi, and the Iraqi army lost at least 40 Kugars). That is why the Americans give out these cars in unlimited quantities to everyone in a row, as a rule, for free.

Artillery toilets 140, 54 2B9, 18 2C1, 17 PM-2, 3 M-48), 2 MLRS (7 BM-700 "Grad", 540 BM-30 "Hurricane"). There are ATGM "Baby" and "Bassoon", 36 VET MT-1. Troops air defense has 54 air defense missile system “Strela-20”, 140 MANPADS “Strela-2”, 36 ZSU-210-120 “Shilka”. All this technique is very outdated.

Air Force and Air Defense include the 60 th air (Karshi-Khanabad) and 12 th anti-aircraft missile brigades, 65 th (Bukhara) and 66 th (Chirchik) helicopter regiments. Armed formally there is a Su-21 bomber and X-NUMX reconnaissance aircraft Su-24MR, 11 attack aircraft (24 Su-50, 20 Su-25M, including 30 UM), 17 fighters (X-NNXX Su-NNXX fighter-NiNXX). on 6 UB of those and others). However, currently only a few units of Su-70 and Su-31 (in total no more than 27) are in service, all the others are in storage, the majority are in a state of disrepair. Transport aircraft: 39 An-29, from 6 to 25 An-27, 10 An-13, from 26 to 10 Il-26 (and no less 12 in storage), one by one "Boing-1" and "Boing-24" The 3 is the newest Spanish C-10W. 76 An-2, one Tu-757 and one Tu-767 are stored. Training aircraft: Czechoslovak X-NUMX L-2 (still 295 in storage). There are 10 combat helicopters Mi-2 (even before 134 is in storage). Multipurpose and transport helicopters: 154 – 5 Mi-39, 9 Mi-29, 24 Mi-14, 52 Mi-64 are also in storage.

Ground-based air defense is equipped with obsolete C-75 and C-125 and C-200 air defense systems, which, apparently, have completely lost their combat capability.

The only significant enterprise of the defense industry in Uzbekistan was the Tashkent aircraft factory, which produced IL-76 transport. However, by now he has ceased to exist. Equipment and personnel transported to Ulyanovsk.

Very big but yesterday

Uzbekistan was among the founders of the CSTO in 1992, left the organization in 1999, returned to 2006 in the second, left again in 2012. By the number of such maneuvers, Tashkent is a post-Soviet champion, and they are explained precisely by the aforementioned “multi-vector”. Nevertheless, the main direction of Uzbek politics is obvious: as far as possible from Russia.

The reason for the last withdrawal of Tashkent from the CSTO was the creation of the CRRF, in relation to which it took a frankly hostile position. The official explanation was that Tashkent does not agree with the strategic plans of the CSTO in the Afghan area (what exactly is meant, not specified), as well as with the strengthening of military cooperation in the bloc. The second is especially significant: Uzbekistan did not suit exactly what the CSTO is being built for. Tashkent has never accepted at least formal participation in joint exercises, while actually not concealing what it considers its allies its main opponents: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and in a slightly more veiled form Kazakhstan. The Uzbek president was especially hostile to the idea of ​​creating a Russian military base in southern Kyrgyzstan.

Relations between the countries of Central Asia remain extremely tense. On the one hand, the Tajiks in Uzbekistan dream of returning Bukhara and Samarkand to the “Greater Tajikistan”. On the other hand, Uzbeks in Tajikistan and Kirgizia are such a solid “national minority” that in some places they became long ago a significant majority (which manifested itself, for example, during the Osh events in 2010). It is this given the huge superiority of Uzbekistan over its neighbors in terms of population and economic potential and causes those who are concerned about their own independence. The most explosive Fergana Valley. There is extremely high population density, very high unemployment, an extremely low standard of living. And the borders of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan converge. It is in the Fergana Valley that the positions of radical Islam are very strong, from here you can easily and quickly blow up the entire region.

Uzbekistan ranks first among the former Soviet republics of Central Asia in terms of the number of personnel of the Armed Forces, but today this criterion is by no means primary for determining military power. Much more important is the level of combat and moral-psychological preparation, the quantity and quality of military equipment. Tashkent has big problems with all this.

The Uzbek army today has an overwhelming superiority over the Tajik, a significant one over the Kyrgyz. On the other hand, it is noticeably inferior to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan. Recently, the Uzbeks have been bypassing in terms of their potential the Turkmen army, whose arsenal began to be rapidly updated due to its huge oil and gas revenues. So, the transition of Uzbekistan from second to third place in the region in terms of military power can already be considered a fait accompli.

There are big doubts that Tashkent will be able to seriously oppose the possible aggression of the radical Islamists from Afghanistan. The fight against guerrilla and sabotage-terrorist formations is the most difficult task even for armies that are better-quality than the Uzbek one. In addition, there is not the slightest confidence that the personnel of the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan are resistant to the propaganda of Islamists. In this regard, it may be worth even be glad that the national army’s weapons have hardly been updated since its inception: the Taliban will get less quality equipment or, God forbid, supporters of the “Islamic Caliphate”.

Comments

[Vita vko]

noticeably inferior to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

http://365info.kz/2016/02/rejting-voennoj-moshhi-tsentralnoj-azii-samyj-silnyj-u
zbekistan /? utm_source = traffic & utm_medium = free & utm_campaign = smi2

Tashkent ... in fact did not hide the fact that it considers its neighbors-allies its main opponents: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan in a slightly more veiled form.

And this confrontation is intensifying. I am sure that the United States has long included Karimov in its plans to put pressure on Russia, China and Iran.

[Reptiloid]

It turns out --- it’s better than Azerbaijan. Yes, yeah, the Americans had a hand in knowing. Somehow I stopped monitoring the situation with their bases, I need to clarify.
It’s good that there are articles about the Army of the former Soviet republics. Thank you

[dmi.pris1]

The country's defense capability is determined by many parameters, here the quantity and main quality of the armed forces, and economic opportunities (the country is increasingly slipping into agrarian, not even raw). Compared with its neighbors, it surpasses Kazakhstan, but what will happen next is not clear ..

[Alez]

Uzbekistan is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), it appears as an ordinary port woman of easy virtue. But Russia writes off debts. I would have written off anyone's debts.

[co-creator]

There may be many reasons. The same blackmail with emigrants. like Turkey, the EU is blackmailing or with drug trafficking.

[Kasym]

Alez. Have you ever wondered why Uzbekistan is not in the CSTO? This is how I see it all.
If Tashkent would be in the CSTO, then the Yankees would not talk to them. All matters would be decided with Moscow. But Uzbekistan has a huge influence in Afghanistan - General Dostum with his fighters. Everyone thinks that the Yankees will send bearded men to Central Asia. But at the same time they forget that there were agreements between Moscow and Washington, so that a second Vietnam does not work out (that is, we should not arm anyone in Afghanistan). And now, Tashkent is an independent political player, not bound by any agreement between Moscow and Washington. And the Yankees have to reckon with this.
You need to really understand that the Yankees have little strength there (Dostum is enough to dramatically complicate the life of the allies), and the neighbors can easily arrange the Syrian situation (Pashtuns, Pakistani, Tajiks and Uzbeks, Hazaras and Turkmen, mercenaries). So the Yankees have to reckon with this, to placate the neighbors. Iran has been lifted sanctions, Tashkent is appeased with money and gifts. Thus, the CIS has not one, but two points of support in Afghanistan (the CSTO through the Tajiks and Tashkent). This expands the room for maneuver and makes life difficult for allies. For example, Tashkent refuses to recognize elections that allegedly restricted rights of ethnic Uzbeks (and may start clashes); and Moscow doesn't seem to mind. Or vice versa - let the Yankees settle - how do you like such a "headache".
Naturally, Tashkent receives its dividends from this. So I think there is a BIG GAME going on. And Moscow + Tashkent has much more chances, since such a strategy can "play" for a long time, but the West cannot pull out such a strategy - they need results now.
So it’s not so simple. Of course, these are just my assumptions.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vita VKO

noticeably inferior to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

I don’t want to compare anyone with anyone, but I knew the guys from the Muslim battalion of the 15th (still Soviet!) Brigade — there were desperate men. And, as far as I heard, she is still in Uzbekistan. But one brigade of weather does not, it is firstly, and secondly - it can be called a Uzbek with a stretch. Anyone who knows how the traditions of preparing L / C are formed will understand what I mean. She is Soviet - and this is another calico ...

But in general - they still didn’t have enough to bite each other there ... And without Russia there will be Maidan on the Maidan and Maidan there. Two years later, the Americans, three years later, ISIS with the Taliban. Let them think before making such movements with the fifth point ...

[SSR]

Quote: Vita VKO

noticeably inferior to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

http://365info.kz/2016/02/rejting-voennoj-moshhi-tsentralnoj-azii-samyj-silnyj-u

zbekistan /? utm_source = traffic & utm_medium = free & utm_campaign = smi2

Tashkent ... in fact did not hide the fact that it considers its neighbors-allies its main opponents: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan in a slightly more veiled form.

And this confrontation is intensifying. I am sure that the United States has long included Karimov in its plans to put pressure on Russia, China and Iran.

The ratings are ratings, but when the Uzbeks expelled the Meskhetian Turks in the 90s and then attacked the Kyrgyz, they said that we were 24 million and the Kyrgyz were 4 million ..... Kazakhs were then 12 million and what helped them did not help.

[Imperialkolorad]

Quote: Vita VKO

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

You still believe these ratings. Who bent more in front of the Americans is higher in the ranking.

[Weyland]

Quote: Vita VKO

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

And who finances these rating agencies?

[Weyland]

Quote: Vita VKO

Strange, but rating agencies say the opposite.

And who finances these rating agencies?

[Talgat]

If you look at open sources, it is obvious that the Uzbek army outnumbers us, but is many times inferior to the Kazakh army in modern weapons - especially air defense and aviation (the same C-300, Su-30, modernized Su-27, the presence of Mig-31, etc.) as well as the number of armored vehicles and artillery systems

Seem to be. that the Uzbek army is also planning to leave second place - losing to the Turkmens.

KZ military budget is higher. The Russian Federation must be recognized that it pumps up our army with modern systems - the same c-300 and, in the future, c-400, where we ourselves buy something or produce it together.

It is also necessary to take into account that, in military terms, the KZ is integrated with Russia and with the CSTO (CRRF, unified air defense with the Russian Federation, etc.)

Obviously, it would be more profitable for Uzbekistan to be in alliance with the Russian Federation and the KZ, this would contribute to stability in the CA. It is not entirely clear why Uzbekistan is distancing itself from the CSTO and the EAC.

Conflicts in the CA are not beneficial for either the Uzbeks or us, or the Russian Federation. They are beneficial to external forces.

[bobba94]

It’s just funny for me to compare the armed forces of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Kazakhstan is a modern army. I’ll just keep silent about Uzbekistan.

[Pancho]

Quote: Vita VKO

I am sure that the United States has long included Karimov in its plans to put pressure on Russia, China and Iran.

Oh, and isn’t this just recently the Uzbeks, our wisest forgave debts for 800 with something million, dollars?

[Indifferent]

It also says that Kazakhstan has a larger army, and Uzbekistan has more scrap metal that is not able to maintain a database, which corresponds to the reference link.

[vglazunov]

Enough wars, it’s better to bring fresh and ripe vegetables and fruits to the market

[Dryuya2]

Quote: vglazunov

Better to bring fresh and ripe vegetables and fruits in the market

I have a question that arose while reading an article
many of our politicians from screens and different stands say: -
we ourselves are "to blame" for what happened in Ukraine because we did not deal with it.
so here I have a question
why we didn’t work and we don’t work with a huge army of migrants (guest workers)? for 20 years, they could be brainwashed in our territory in any direction.
it turns out the police press and drive, young people "run" around the city and look for "rubber apartments" and report to the police, I understand in some case it is necessary. BUT!
only after that it turns out that they leave here angry and "depraved"
here they learn to drink, smoke, girls start to wear "mini" here, etc. ... and what is positive they take away from us, what is good they can remember?
I don’t mean the policy that the EU is currently trying to pursue regarding migrants. (how to hug, kiss, accelerated baptism )
If they set a task for youth organizations, they will quickly figure out how to do it.
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and it turns out oh they have a maidan, oh maidan - and you have to turn on the "ZOMBO RAYS" (with Kremlin propaganda) again - only it's too late.
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how is it there :
you can’t stop the crowd, lead it.
The Federal Migration Service (FMS) of Russia has published the latest data (as of April 5, 2016) on the number of foreign citizens in the country. According to the statistics of the Federal Migration Service, there are currently located in the Russian Federation 1.755.781 citizen of Uzbekistan (including 1.428.167 men and 327.614 women)
a million and a half ! even if somehow speaking Russian, young, healthy - it's the whole army (why they don’t work with them) in the right direction for us
for other migrants here:
http://migrant.ferghana.ru/

[Anglorussian]

What them, in the Institute of noble maidens drive? And if it’s serious, then there are two ways — the Swedish one where they are kissed at the feet and provide their migrant interests at a loss, and the Saudi one — where they are clearly given understand who the boss is and why they are here. The remaining options are modifications of these two. Well, what will we choose?

why they don’t work with them) in the right direction for us

[Safar]

Well, what will we choose?

American-Brazilian - in the ghetto, and so that beyond the borders of the nose they did not show.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Anglorussian

What them, in the Institute of noble maidens drive?

when their children come to our kindergartens and schools, and in Moscow it is almost in every class of the school and in every group of the kindergarten and behave like "savages" (they fight, take away toys, do not respect teachers, do not respect girls, etc., etc.) etc.) and to blame all this on hot blood is not correct. The parents of these children are 20-25 ± years old and no one taught them how to behave in a strange monastery.
I’m not saying that you need to * kiss them, but you need to somehow change the approach so that after the earnings they would leave after all with friends, and not be embittered all over Russia.
according to the FMS for 2016 in Russia, about 10.000.000 labor migrants
and the bulk of them are from 18 to 40 years old - it's easier to work with at least this number here than to try to create some kind of "peoples' friendship centers" on the territory of the former republics for big money

[Anglorussian]

Centers of friendship of peoples in Russia is a guaranteed failure. They will decide that they are afraid, that they can demand even more ... And they will leave not embittered but arrogant. If you leave, then lead and then you can Urus bent ram's horn. Do not believe me-look at the cities of Western Europe-there the authorities did exactly the same.

in Moscow it is in almost every class of the school

[washi]

Quote: Dryuya2

Quote: Anglorussian

What them, in the Institute of noble maidens drive?

when their children come to our kindergartens and schools, and in Moscow it is almost in every class of the school and in every group of the kindergarten and behave like "savages" (they fight, take away toys, do not respect teachers, do not respect girls, etc., etc.) etc.) and to blame all this on hot blood is not correct. The parents of these children are 20-25 ± years old and no one taught them how to behave in a strange monastery.
I’m not saying that you need to * kiss them, but you need to somehow change the approach so that after the earnings they would leave after all with friends, and not be embittered all over Russia.
according to the FMS for 2016 in Russia, about 10.000.000 labor migrants
and the bulk of them are from 18 to 40 years old - it's easier to work with at least this number here than to try to create some kind of "peoples' friendship centers" on the territory of the former republics for big money

If Muscovites are schnicks, then this is their problem.
As far as I know, in many other regions, "come in large numbers", not only Central Asians, but also Caucasians, Chinese, behave politely. And if the parents behave well, then the children too.
Taiga is big.

[alexmach]

for 20 years, they could be brainwashed in our territory in any direction.

And what are you going to rinse them with? A country without ideology can ideologically compete with radical Islam? or with Central Asian nationalism? Nude nude

[igorka357]

Yeah, just let them bring it, and leave for yourself!

[72jora72]

In this regard, it may even be worthwhile to rejoice that the armament of the national army has hardly been updated since its inception: the Taliban or, God forbid, supporters of the “Islamic caliphate” will get less quality equipment.

God forbid in the future also Uzbekistan to clean black from .....

[igorka357]

Oh believe me, unfortunately this time will come! And how sad it will be to clean them up with radical measures, and then control the territory for a very long time! I will tell you the secret about one special unit, the guys fought in Chechnya both the first and second .. so they were guided by special iron as a rule, without a lower one .. at the expense without talking, you don’t know the names of the local elders .. at the expense without talking, I didn’t count three from the basement or the room .. at the expense without talking .. together with the basement and the room! The result is amazing from 48 personnel for both campaigns of the 4-200th and 6-300th, with nothing to do with clearing the villages, all the losses on the way out! This is how it needs to be cleaned so that the locals themselves drive the Wahhabis and all the mob from their villages and auls! The unit was so effective that they copied a lot, like in a Rosenbaum song!

[alexej123]

TOTALLY FOR. There is a video on the internet where Shamanov covers the local elder, oh oh, that he warmed the bandits. Nearby by the way is the current chief of the General Staff Gerasimov. I don’t know how others, but Shamanov did just that — a shot rang out from the house at the soldiers — to raze it to the ground. In a similar way now, Kadyrov is doing the same, until the expulsion of the relatives of the bandits from the villages. If the enemy does not surrender - they destroy him.

[pts-m]

Hai Uzbeks live as they want, and we as we can. You just need to look in both eyes at the migrants from these "fraternal" republics. Another fifth column in Russia is a hotbed of tension on Russian territory.

[Al_lexx]

I think that after the creation of the National Guard, hotheads will cool down.

[poma]

Few of us, Russians, are born ... The Great Patriotic War defeated, and the Gobachev-EBNschina drove almost completely ...

[alexmach]

Yes, you don’t have to look after them - you can’t see them all. They need to be integrated into society ... it’s just not clear how.

[igorka357]

Yeah, EUROPPA has already integrated them into itself, right now they are integrating EUROPE women there to the fullest, and most of them have their will! Border to the castle and from the country let out only the RF Armed Forces, and let in only competent specialists!

[Aleksander]

Tashkent Aircraft Plant, which produced transport IL-76. However, by now it has ceased to exist. Equipment and personnel were transported to Ulyanovsk.

Thank God that at least something was saved from that enormous wealth that Russia had in vain built into nat. republics. The main thing, of course, people were returned home ...

[Chisayna]

What are the Taliban? The Taliban are mostly Pashtuns. Once upon a time, the Taliban took Mazar-e-Sharif as a result of betrayal. And all. Uzbekistan is more threatened by the IMU.

[Alexander Romanov]

The Uzbek army today has overwhelming superiority over the Tajik, significant - over the Kyrgyz.
The Ukrainian army in the ranking, in number and armament was in first place among the countries of the former USSR. But what it really is, it became apparent in 1.

[Lelek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The Ukrainian army in the ranking, in number and armament was in first place among the countries of the former USSR. But what it really is, it became apparent in 1.

Hi Sanya.
You are right, but .... They are right that at present the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a vinaigrette of criminals + forcibly recruited + "gentlemen of fortune" from different countries + a conglomerate of armaments from the times of the USSR, hastily homemade products and "gifts" of BU from Western "sponsors". But, despite this, they can shoot, bomb and mine, and at the same time people will die. This last is the saddest thing I would like to avoid. As for the future prospects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, here (IMHO) we must pay tribute to Commander-in-Chief Valtsman, who has an undoubted talent - no matter how bad it is in the country and the army, he finds a way to make things even worse, and such a talent cannot be spent on drink.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The Ukrainian army in the ranking, in number and armament was in first place among the countries of the former USSR. But what it really is, it became apparent in 1.

Hi Sanya.
You are right, but .... They are right that at present the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a vinaigrette of criminals + forcibly recruited + "gentlemen of fortune" from different countries + a conglomerate of armaments from the times of the USSR, hastily homemade products and "gifts" of BU from Western "sponsors". But, despite this, they can shoot, bomb and mine, and at the same time people will die. This last is the saddest thing I would like to avoid. As for the future prospects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, here (IMHO) we must pay tribute to Commander-in-Chief Valtsman, who has an undoubted talent - no matter how bad it is in the country and the army, he finds a way to make things even worse, and such a talent cannot be spent on drink.

[lubesky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The Uzbek army today has overwhelming superiority over the Tajik, significant - over the Kyrgyz.
The Ukrainian army in the ranking, in number and armament was in first place among the countries of the former USSR. But what it really is, it became apparent in 1.

Good example. But in fairness, for the sake of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they faced a civil war, during an acute political crisis, plus nationalization and fascization, unnatural for the Slavic civilization. Here any army will seem incapacitated (otherwise we looked powerful in the first campaign in Chechnya, and there is no need to talk about Yeltsin's powerless army plundered - many developed countries cannot even dream of the impoverished Russian army of the 90s). So in a real conflict, we didn’t see the army, Ukraine, as a state, doesn’t fight a third party for real.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Chisain

What are the Taliban? The Taliban are mostly Pashtuns. Once upon a time, the Taliban took Mazar-e-Sharif as a result of betrayal. And all. Uzbekistan is more threatened by the IMU.

Leshy, General Dostum is an Uzbek, and he wants to annex the Uzbek part of Afghanistan to Uzbekistan. But the Taliban do not like Dostum. And if Dostum does this, then the Tajiks will want to fuck their piece of Afghanistan over the river. How do you like this scenario?

[Amurets]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Leshy, General Dostum is an Uzbek, and he wants to annex the Uzbek part of Afghanistan to Uzbekistan. But the Taliban do not like Dostum. And if Dostum does this, then the Tajiks will want to fuck their piece of Afghanistan over the river. How do you like this scenario?

I support! There are many nationalities and who gravitate towards whom, you need to look in the directories. Well, is it really difficult to see the percentage composition and distribution of the population on Wikipedia? There is also at the end of the article links to materials from where it came from. For all our life they taught that you can’t take data from only one source, always check in others. In the same Wiki there is data for check.

[Sergej1972]

In my opinion, he does not want to attach anything to Uzbekistan.

[Weyland]

Quote: Mordvin 3

General Dostum is an Uzbek, and he wants to join the Uzbek part of Afghanistan to Uzbekistan

Why would? He certainly wants to create a sovereign "South Uzbekistan" headed by himself, beloved! Should he go to bed under Karimov?

[sgazeev]

Quote: Chisain

What are the Taliban? The Taliban are mostly Pashtuns. Once upon a time, the Taliban took Mazar-e-Sharif as a result of betrayal. And all. Uzbekistan is more threatened by the IMU.

Karimov is aging, the heirs are only women, probably Russia is working with the inner circle of the khan. Usmanov is not sitting idly on the Russian oligarch. We’ll see.

[Karabin]

Quote: sgazeev

Karimov is aging, the heirs are only women, probably Russia is working with the inner circle of the khan.

They also worked in Ukraine, the result is obvious.

Quote: sgazeev

Usmanov about the Russian oligarch

Do not make me laugh. The same multi-vector, as well as fellow tribesmen.

[marshes]

Quote: Karabin

They also worked in Ukraine, the result is obvious.

Yes, not a fig you did not work, bribed certain oligarchs. Come on, a lot of money was spent, and it was crammed into "pockets".
Even relatives in Kharkov are not thrilled, although they were Russian-minded in the beginning, before the Donbass.
It was necessary to start with Western Ukraine in the 90s. Peace, Zhivachka's friendship

[Karabin]

Quote: marshes

Yes, no, you didn’t work

I say - the result is obvious.

[Zomanus]

Yes and figs with them. We need to protect our borders.
And these now have returned the Middle Ages with the buoys.
Who cares, read about life in this country.

[Darkness]

This is typical for all Asian republics. As soon as the "Russian invaders" were kicked out, they immediately slipped into obscurantism and the Middle Ages.

[amirbek]

Quote: Darkness

As soon as the "Russian invaders" were kicked out, they immediately slipped into obscurantism

I’ll tell you Darkness that to any obscurantism did not instantly slide
I won’t write about Tashkent, but I’ll write about a simple town I live in a cat ... yes, there are few Russian, Soviet factories are no longer there either, those that were cost-effective have moved from the urban zone to industrial zones - they now don’t smoke in the city, old decrepit houses are being demolished closer to the center, old trees are cut down; trees are being planted new, somewhere the landscape has changed until it is unrecognizable, park areas have appeared in many places, fountains with lighting and music and park entertainments - you can relax with your family in the evening, there are a lot of cars, roads are expanding , in many yards, the garages were cleaned, people leave their cars in the yards for the night, over the past year and a half prices have fallen, you can afford to buy a good car, orchards are planted outside the city in spring, you enjoy flowering fruits in summer, if you want, you can buy any from the field fruit or vegetable - cheap!

[fif21]

Quote: Amirbek

I'm talking about Tashkent

My opinion is that for the Central Asian republics of the former USSR, religious challenges are more dangerous than military ones. They will preserve secular states, traditional Islam, they will survive, no, they will slide down to the Middle Ages. Fighting the radicals with the army will not work. The CSTO is a military organization and will protect against external threats, but there is no organization to counter radical Islam And it is disturbing.

[andrewkor]

I confirm, bro. That's only on future presidential routes mansions and other infrastructure demolished mercilessly!

[Weyland]

Quote: Amirbek

I’ll write about a simple town in a cat I live ... yes, there were few Russian, Soviet factories also no longer exist, those that were cost-effective moved from the urban zone to industrial zones

I wonder where this town is ... Let me guess: "there are few Russians ..." - really Andijan?
If you have such a happy and rich life there, it is unclear where in Moscow we have so many Uzbek guest workers?

[Razvedka_Boem]

Well, why only Andijan? We have few Russians everywhere now. The exception is Tashkent, it can even be called Russian-speaking. Although there is still Ferghana, it can be said in the Valley, the most Europeanized city.
And as for gastrobayters .. Problems are everywhere, including you. Do we have excess hands? You have a lack of population. Siberia and the Far East you can miss. And Moscow .. Moscow is not Russia. Russia begins beyond the Moscow Ring Road.

[washi]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

Well, why only Andijan? We have few Russians everywhere now. The exception is Tashkent, it can even be called Russian-speaking. Although there is still Ferghana, it can be said in the Valley, the most Europeanized city.
And as for gastrobayters .. Problems are everywhere, including you. Do we have excess hands? You have a lack of population. Siberia and the Far East you can miss. And Moscow .. Moscow is not Russia. Russia begins beyond the Moscow Ring Road.

Of course there are few Russians.
Who will love the fact that they are being killed

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zomanus

Yes and figs with them. We need to protect our borders.
And these now have returned the Middle Ages with the buoys.
Who cares, read about life in this country.

You're right. Here is their mother, the Lord awarded the neighbors. One Kazakhstan is normal, pah, pah, pah. Well, Belarus.

[grandson of the hero]

More recently, I came across such a fact.
Not so long ago I received Russian citizenship. And the whole family except his son. Sami from Belarus, the city of Vitebsk. Why doesn’t the son get? And just everything: waiting for 27 years to come. He, as expected, served an emergency in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus. And he does not want to be called up for the second time in Russia. For with the Republic of Belarus there is no agreement on the mutual recognition of military service. But (to my surprise) such an agreement exists with individual states of the Transcaucasian region. And Uzbekistan is among them.

[Lelek]

Quote: Mordvin 3

One Kazakhstan is normal, pah, pah, pah.

(IMHO), you forgot to put the word "temporarily" after the word "Kazakhstan". For the time being, Nazarbayev is rigidly at the helm of the country, but he will not last forever and with his departure, a bickering will begin between potential khans, as was the case in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. But Russia needs to take this factor into account, since Kazakhstan is our immediate border. And, since the East is a "delicate matter", you need to act very carefully.

[Razvedka_Boem]

By the way, Kazakhs have enough of their Natsiks and you may be unpleasantly surprised by possible problems after Nazarbayev’s departure.

[parusnik]

Uzbekistan was among the founders of the CSTO in 1992, in 1999 left the organization, in 2006 returned to it, in 2012 left again.... Immediately I remember: "In and out, great out!" .... "They themselves do not know what they want" ..

[farhod]

We then know what we want, it will also be clear to you, well, an indefinite time must pass.

[parusnik]

Threaten?

[farhod]

No, I respect Russia and the Russian people.
I was also born and graduated from high school while Moscow was still the capital of the country. I wanted to clear up
someone's opinion to someone if it is possible to become clear after a certain time if it is destined.

[Bath]

we also know what you want, therefore, sit at home; forge shots on the ground; one of the positive aspects of the collapse of the USSR was thrown off by cunning asses (brothers) of Transcaucasia and Central Asia

[alexmach]

Also a positive moment for me. And now you sit and wait when it’s blazing there so that in Moscow it comes around.

[fif21]

Quote: Farhod

We know what we want.

And Russia knows what it wants But what she does not want for sure is the transformation of the countries of Central Asia into a hotbed of radical Islam. She does not want a war with jihadists, and if such a threat arises, she will take preventive measures. And so, peace, friendship, apricot

[Aposlya]

That's not necessary, eh? Comrade, do you know that in the same Uzbekistan they are fighting with religious leaders not in words, but in deeds? That their (Uzbek) religious extremist sect "Hizbud-at-Tahrir" has long been based not in Uzbekistan, but in Russia ?!
And how do you Salafists (Wahhabis) from Bashkiria or Tatarstan seem? You would really not look to Middle Asia, but would rather take a closer look at your edges! And while you are looking out for the fence to the neighbors, so what is happening in your yard already and you don’t see ...

[KaPToC]

Social protection in the republics of Transcaucasia and Central Asia is the second most expensive budget item in the USSR, along with Ukrainian agriculture, for the Russians everything is clear - they threw the yoke off his neck.

[Weyland]

Quote: Farhod

We then know what we want, you will also understand

Yes, and we know what you want - just want is not harmful! Uzbekistan is within the borders of 1405, right?
And about your multi-vector nature:
A calf who loves to suck two (or more) queens intensely can suddenly discover that they were bulls!

[farhod]

Is there anything else on your head besides war, the seizure of someone’s lands, besides aggression?
Do you remember what Putin says:
-We are for an equal, for a mutually beneficial attitude by our partners.
And it sounds from our lips for over 20 years.
We deep down want a balance in the world.
What would the world truly reign in the world.

[Weyland]

Quote: Farhod

What would the world truly reign in the world.

That's the main national character you have - Emir Timur. But the monument to the blacksmith who adopted 15 orphans during the Second World War was dismantled: such heroes are not needed by sovereign Uzbekistan!

[farhod]

Yes, the blacksmith Shoahmed Shomakhmudov and his wife Bahri sheltered 15 orphans, and they are heroes.
And Emir Timur saved all of Europe and weakened the Golden Horde
thereby opened the way to the formation of Russian statehood. Destroying the Horde helped the Russian people free themselves from the yoke of the Mongol Tatars. No wonder the French made a monument of gold to him.

[Weyland]

Quote: Farhod

And Emir Timur saved all of Europe

Do you seriously think that Bayezid could conquer all of Europe? Or this idiot Tokhtamysh?

[farhod]

In my opinion at that time there was no laughing matter.
Yes, he’s a puzzler Tokhtamysh, if you obeyed Timur, now you would live not in the Russian Federation but in the Mongol-Tatar.

[Razvedka_Boem]

What we want - you don’t know, because you haven’t even been with us and don’t even want to delve into the local realities.

[Weyland]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

you don’t know, because you haven’t even been with us and don’t even want to delve into the local realities.

Yes, I just happened to be, otherwise I would not write!

[Weyland]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

you don’t know, because you haven’t even been with us and don’t even want to delve into the local realities.

Yes, I just happened to be, otherwise I would not write!

[fif21]

Quote: parusnik

! "...." They themselves don't know what they want "..

East is a delicate matter But what they definitely do not want is to spend money on the elimination of threats that are not real in their opinion and drawing the country into the zone of military interests of other countries.

[Darkness]

We must carefully monitor the young generation of Uzbeks. If the older generation, at least knows the Russian language and a little Russian culture, then the youth in this is zero complete. They do not know how to write or speak Russian, they are extremely religious.
To send them all back to their homeland, just in case ...

[erlikon]

[quote = Zomanus] Yes and figs with them. We need to protect our borders.
And these now have returned the Middle Ages with the buoys.
If you are interested, read about life in this country. You reasoned politically! As Comrade Saakhov said! By the way, not only Uzbeks live in Uzbekistan, but there are many Russians left. And the article frankly smacks of a little bad! Explicitly the person wrote who wasn’t formerly in Uzbekistan. Not everything is as smooth as we would like, but everything is not as the author writes. please tell me why in Russia to us Russians from Central Asia are treated as second-rate? I do not want to say that everything is everywhere, but it is felt. This is the whole problem, it seems to me.

[Amurets]

Quote: erlikon

I do not want to say that everything is everywhere, but it is felt. This is the whole problem, it seems to me.

In our region, I somehow didn’t notice. Although almost all the trade in fruits and vegetables is concentrated in the hands of Uzbeks. They are transported through the PRC, it’s faster and more profitable. From Blagoveshchensk, wagons are taken to the north, to Yakutia and further. Everyone also speaks Russian, now families began to appear, moving to the Far East. I don’t know how to continue, but so far there are no problems with them in the city.

[siberalt]

We have vegetable stalls and Uzbek shops. But there is nothing Uzbek. All are taken from a single local vegetable base (Egypt, Morocco, Russia and the unidentified). They live together. Women with children are sent to clean up the doorways. True, less often.

[Weyland]

Quote: Amurets

Although almost all trade in fruits and vegetables is concentrated in the hands of Uzbeks

Did you read a post before replying? The question was never about Uzbeks:

Quote: erlikon

why in Russia to us Russians from Central Asia treated like second-rate?

[populist]

erlikon
And please tell me why in Russia, Russians from Central Asia are treated as second-rate to us? I do not want to say that everything is everywhere, but it is felt

Met in St. Petersburg Russian from the former Soviet republics. They worked with some. I have never seen a bad attitude towards them and I have never heard from them complaints about a bad attitude.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: populist

Met in St. Petersburg Russian from the former Soviet republics. They worked with some. I have never seen a bad attitude towards them and I have never heard from them complaints about a bad attitude.

Why stupid? The man did not ambiguously say about those who stayed there, and not about those who returned. The possibility of returning is far from everyone's housing prices are several times different, and obtaining citizenship is generally a separate song with jokes.

[co-creator]

Quote: Egorchik

The man did not ambiguously say about those who stayed there

And how can the Russian Federation affect their fate? You know . that whites were expelled from all the colonies of africa and asia and nothing could be done about it.
Russians always refer to Russians.

[Weyland]

Quotation: blooded man

You know . that whites were expelled from all the colonies of africa and asia and nothing could be done about it.

Do you know that they are in their homeland compensated taken away (albeit not completely% by the way, because they didn’t completely, de Gaulle tried to shoot more than once!) - and certainly not a single politician had the audacity deprive them of citizenship metropolis ?!

[onega67]

Many Russians are returning back to Uzbekistan, because Russia met them badly !!! in the villages they burned houses and called them Uzbeks and all because they were very prosperous, not in Russian somehow !!!

[dv_generalov]

This applies to all arrivals. It seems to me does not depend on the region. He himself experienced his fate when he arrived in 1994. to Russia. In the constitution, one thing in the executive documents on the ground "not much else", the reality is usually already the third. But now, having lived and gained experience, it is difficult to say that it was wrong.

[Lelek]

Quote: erlikon

.And please tell me why in Russia Russians from Central Asia are treated as second-rate?

Don't blah blah, dear. In St. Petersburg there are many "Russians" from neighboring republics, and there are no belittles and distinctions between true and second-rate ones. Moreover, in Len. the region is now about 100000 legal and illegal citizens of Ukraine and there is no trace of any negative attitude towards them in connection with the events in Ukraine. There is a negative attitude towards boors, thieves, bandits and "drug addicts", but there is basically no special division based on ethnicity.

[Weyland]

Quote: Lelek

In St. Petersburg, there are many "Russians" from neighboring republics, and there are no belittles and distinctions between true and second-rate ones.

And you asked them if it was easy for them to obtain Russian citizenship? Why does a Jew, a Greek, a German and even a Kazakh, coming to their historical homeland, receive citizenship under a simplified system, various preferences, etc. - and the Russian immigrants to Russia horseradish in tomato? Just don't mention the Resettlement Program: it mainly covered depressive regions, with generous salary offers from three (!) to 20 tyr per month!

[andrewkor]

All Russians who left Uzbekistan were "driven" by "Uzbek" in the best sense of the word!

[Weyland]

Quote: andrewkor

all Russians who left Uzbekistan were "chased" by "Uzbek" in the best sense of the word!

And what is the best and worst meaning of the word?
In the best - this, in my opinion, is in literally translation (his own master)

[amirbek]

Quote: andrewkor

All Russians who left Uzbekistan were "driven" by "Uzbek" in the best sense of the word!

This is probably because neither Russia nor Uzbekistan nor any other state is interested in this ...

farmers say - the tree grows well where they planted initially

Russia somehow must help compatriots to stay and continue to develop where they were born and raised, and even provide support to those who want to return

[Weyland]

Quote: erlikon

why in Russia do Russians treat us from the countries of Central Asia as second-rate?

Because Russia betrayed us vilely and vilely - and now, as self-justification, it is trying to present us as bad!
I have an account all to the Russians who voted for i-y-y-yd, so that he was 9m below the absolute zero!

[saygon66]

- "Russia has betrayed"?! ...
- How is this? Have you been placed in a camp for displaced persons? Imprisoned in civil rights? Forcing to learn the language, history and laws of the state?
- To many, Russia has given the opportunity to start life anew, another thing that not everyone has developed ...

[Weyland]

[quote = saygon66] How is this? [/ quote

Read how the issue was resolved with the citizens of England, France, and Holland returning from the liberated colony - and compare!

[quote = saygon66] Forced to learn the language, history and laws of the state? [/ quote]
And I probably know your native language better than you! And the laws and history books before the collapse of the Union were the same!
By the way, those who graduated from high school in the USSR are forced to take an exam in language - for 4-5 sputters, arrogant, vile and cynical scam

[Weyland]

[quote = saygon66] How is this? [/ quote

Read how the issue was resolved with the citizens of England, France, and Holland returning from the liberated colony - and compare!

[quote = saygon66] Forced to learn the language, history and laws of the state? [/ quote]
And I probably know your native language better than you! And the laws and history books before the collapse of the Union were the same!
By the way, those who graduated from high school in the USSR are forced to take an exam in language - for 4-5 sputters, arrogant, vile and cynical scam

[onega67]

Do not you understand why how to second-rate? because mostly illiterate village boys go there, you can say dark people. are hired for the blackest jobs. but I must say that the Russians also have enough chauvinism. Lenin also wrote about this - about great-power chauvinism.

[avg-mgn]

The East is a delicate matter, but ours. If Russian diplomacy nullifies the work in this region, "Friends" will appear like a fly to whom there are some Uzbeks or Tajiks, the main thing is closer to us and more tense.

[Spartanez300]

Dead End. The word of faith.

[Yak28]

Uzbeks and Tajiks in Moscow in the daytime they clean the streets, and women pull their bags in the evening. In stores, 80% of cashiers are also Uzbeks, Tajiks from their stupid faces are sick, one Dodik Luzhkov launched this rabble into the city, the second Sobyanin does everything to this went on and on. These republics will spot Russia, thanks to the fact that their citizens send money from Russia, and they themselves look into America’s mouth, the ungrateful parasites

[sgazeev]

Quote: Yak28

Uzbeks and Tajiks in Moscow in the daytime they clean the streets, and women pull their bags in the evening. In stores, 80% of cashiers are also Uzbeks, Tajiks from their stupid faces are sick, one Dodik Luzhkov launched this rabble into the city, the second Sobyanin does everything to this went on and on. These republics will spot Russia, thanks to the fact that their citizens send money from Russia, and they themselves look into America’s mouth, the ungrateful parasites

You don’t need to pour dirt at all. When I come to the store, I always say hello, the normal civilized Kyrgyz work, they are indignant at their countrymen and express their thoughts only in Russian, he says richer. A native at the household level.

[Weyland]

Quote: Yak28

Uzbeks and Tajiks in Moscow in the daytime they clean the streets, and in the evening women pull the bags

Nonsense! Sweep alone, and rob - others! The Minister of Internal Affairs of Russia once officially voiced: the majority of the detained Central Asian criminals in the Russian Federation not a day worked - i.e. purposefully arrived in Russia to kill and rob! And here the task is primarily not for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but for the FMS: I came to work - everything is OK, it does not work - what for is needed here, to drive a filthy broom!

[alexmach]

Listen, and if they all suddenly disappear, who will clean the streets instead?

[Pvi1206]

In the Soviet army, Uzbeks served mainly in the construction battalion. Those are still warriors ...

[andrewkor]

On Tashmor near Tashkent, there was one of the best DOSAAF naval schools in the USSR in the field of signalmen, commandants. They served even nuclear powered submarines. Of course, they were the best of the best. Well, and the construction battalion, of course.

[garnik64]

Uzbeks, a kind of imperial people. Of the Central Asians, the most working together with the Tajiks.

[aszzz888]

Tashkent pursues a so-called multi-vector foreign policy, as a result of which it has very complex relations with Russia, the USA and all countries of Central Asia without exception.

The country's leadership does not sit on one, or even two, chairs. But you won’t be nice to everyone - this is the law of nature.

[Million]

Our government needs to work better and pay more attention to the post-Soviet space. Otherwise, American missiles will be based on our borders from the outside.

[user3970]

This is not our khan (a three-letter word), Vovan Tambovsky forgave Uzbekistan a debt of more than 800 million dollars. Well, we shaggy!

[marshes]

Quote: user3970

This is not our khan (a three-letter word), Vovan Tambovsky forgave Uzbekistan a debt of more than 800 million dollars. Well, we shaggy!

Yes, it’s a matter of gas. Gazprom refused to buy “expensive contract gas” from Turkmenistan and switched to “cheaper” gas from Uzbekistan.

Moscow. 4 January. INTERFAX.RU - The head of Gazprom Alexey Miller announced an increase in the volume of gas purchases from Uzbekistan.

"Uzbekistan is our reliable partner in the gas sector, and we will continue to develop our mutually beneficial cooperation. And, quite naturally, the volume of purchases of Uzbek gas this year will increase," Miller told reporters.

These volumes will have to grow from almost zero. In 2013, Gazprom bought about 4 billion cubic meters from Uzbekistan. m, the plan for 2015 was only 1 billion cubic meters. m.

http://www.interfax.ru/business/488430

[Vadim237]

Of course we are shaggy - but didn’t you know.

[amirbek]

Quote: user3970

Vovan Tambovsky forgave Uzbekistan debt of more than 800 million

make this money go under the projects of your compatriots in Uzbekistan ... and many will want to return

[Yarik76]

All this is very muddy and difficult, and I introduced visas just in case.

[Comrade Glebov]

A similar multi-vector policy, an attempt to place not only two or three chairs under the fifth point, but a whole concert hall is also characteristic of Kyrgyzstan, and would be characteristic of Tajikistan if the border of the latter did not rest on Russian bayonets. And the point is not that the nations are so bad, but that professional feeder officials are leading the countries. Uzbekistan does not need any special military force - the main rivals in the region do not pose a threat, and China and the Russian Federation will help them compete with terrorists, because no one wants ISIS at hand.

[alexmach]

And after the collapse of the Union, the former republics did not have much choice. Either multi-vector, or the path of the Baltic states of Georgia and Ukraine.

[kvs207]

Quote: Amirbek

I’ll tell you Darkness that to any obscurantism did not instantly slide
I won’t write about Tashkent, but I’ll write about a simple town I live in a cat ... yes, there are few Russian, Soviet factories are no longer there either, those that were cost-effective have moved from the urban zone to industrial zones - they now don’t smoke in the city, old decrepit houses are being demolished closer to the center, old trees are cut down; trees are being planted new, somewhere the landscape has changed until it is unrecognizable, park areas have appeared in many places, fountains with lighting and music and park entertainments - you can relax with your family in the evening, there are a lot of cars, roads are expanding , in many yards, the garages were cleaned, people leave their cars in the yards for the night, over the past year and a half prices have fallen, you can afford to buy a good car, orchards are planted outside the city in spring, you enjoy flowering fruits in summer, if you want, you can buy any from the field fruit or vegetable - cheap!

If so everything is wonderful, then why the vast majority of gr. Uzbekistan, do not stay at home? Why the vast majority of gr. Uzbekistan does not want to return?

[black]

The Chinese will soon devour Uzbekistan and will not notice. What are the political throwing in FIG. Bakshish is the main factor in Asian life.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: black

The Chinese will soon devour Uzbekistan and will not notice. What are the political throwing in FIG. Bakshish is the main factor in Asian life.

I don't think this is possible at the current stage of time. You know that the "hegemon" considers the entire territory of the planet to be its food base. In addition, the "hegemon" is not at all interested in strengthening China, as well as Russia and Kazakhstan in this region, and therefore would rather initiate a war in Uzbekistan than give it to China, especially since there are more than enough prerequisites for starting a war there. Probably for the realization of these goals, the US budget in the expenditure item for 2017 includes 50 million dollars for the fight against terrorism in Tajikistan, bordering Uzbekistan. We will see what kind of struggle it will be, but practice shows that if mattresses decide to help someone, expect trouble.

[Kasym]

The PRC and Uzbekistan do not have a common border. And Central Asia is separated from the PRC by the "separatist" XUAR, where 30 miles live. Uigur. Therefore, Beijing is unlikely to use force here, since may XUAR, and then Tibet lose - therefore, with Central Asia and the Republic of Kazakhstan, China tried to agree on the borders. Therefore, it operates with economic opportunities.
According to the article. The author is new to the region and what is happening here. For example, Uzbeks have a Chinese analogue of the S-300 (HQ-9), i.e. about quantity and quality is not so. And in terms of preparation and moral and psychological qualities, how should he know (in RU there is a very strong power block, which even before Karimov’s daughter Gulnara did not save)?

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

For example, Uzbeks have a Chinese analogue of the S-300 (HQ-9), i.e. about quantity and quality is not so

Asalam Molecum
They have a Chinese version of the Predator UAV.
They wanted to buy, the Americans did not give a certain amount of South Korean aircraft. The KAI T-50 Golden Eagle, by the way, is a note for us.
Armament-Guided missiles: air-to-air missiles AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-120 AMRAAM, air-to-ground missiles AGM-65 Maverick.
Particularly interesting is the AGM-65 Maverick-designed for the rapid application of high-precision strikes against the enemy. The missile allows you to destroy well-armored and moving targets in urban areas.

[Kasym]

Hello Swamp!
What are we talking about - on weapons. And after the Russian Federation decided to sell weapons at internal prices for the CSTO, I think Karimov will think about another entry into the organization. He will fight with the Kyrgyz and Tajiks (members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization), where the RF Armed Forces bases are located.
Generally speaking, I don't understand Karimov. He is surrounded by "poor" neighbors (Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan), and only we (Kazakhstan) can help him to boost the Uzbek economy through trade. But it seems that this is not the main thing for him, since he does not want to "combine" efforts. But he is vitally interested in this - all transit goes through us. I would like to remind you that the Central Asian countries cannot trade their gas directly with the EU only if they buy Gazprom. The Turkmens have already hit, having abandoned Gazprom - now a whale. They give gas loans, but they themselves do not see anything, hence they are looking for an opportunity to resume supplies to Russia. Therefore, among the leaders of the region, Karimov most often meets with the National Academy of Sciences. Let's see, but my opinion is that sooner or later Tashkent will be in the CU and the EAEU (they are pushing their price). On the other hand, it is difficult to do something in Central Asia without Uzbekistan - Karimov knows this very well. The Yankees also understand that the region is far removed from their zones of influence; therefore, they will cling to Tashkent with their last strength, and they can stick many other sticks.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

What are we talking about - on weapons.

Yes, something did not prevent us from "looking after".

Quote: Kasym

after the Russian Federation decided to sell weapons at internal prices for the CSTO, I think Karimov will think about the next entry into the organization

In principle, it wouldn’t be bad, there Tajiks stick him more.

Quote: Kasym

The Turkmens have already fallen, abandoning Gazprom - now a whale. they give loans by gas, but they themselves don’t see anything, hence they are looking for an opportunity to resume deliveries to Russia.

According to the documents, the Turkmen are right. Gazprom refuses to pay under the contract. It’s not funny with Ukraine. So the Stockholm arbitration will "settle" this topic.

Quote: Kasym

. We’ll see, but my opinion is that Tashkent will sooner or later be in the CU and the EAEU (they’ll get their own price). On the other hand, it is difficult to do something in Central Asia without Uzbekistan - Karimov knows this very well. The Yankees also understand that the region is far removed from their zones of influence; therefore, they will cling to Tashkent with all their might and many more sticks can stick.

And this FIG knows him, maybe for Kazakhstan it would be the best option if Uzbekistan does not join the EAEU, in which case you can then organize your own economic, political, and space. In this case, let the rear be open.

[Kasym]

Swamps in armaments. So it depends on the wallet, so if you look, you will want a lot of things. But judging by the recent events of air defense, electronic warfare with electronic warfare and the air force are of particular importance.
The main problem between Turkmens and Russians was the price. And now the Turkmens agree to give back at the Gazprom price; but they don’t know how to negotiate (all volumes were contracted by Beijing).
The best option is when the neighbors are stable and rich. And even if the Uzbeks are richer and more attractive - we are only better off - our importance in trade will be even higher, the only road to rich markets is through us. I think that this will also affect the well-being of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. But the poverty of Uzbekistan is not stability and radical sentiments. Uzbekistan is overpopulated (it will only get worse over time) and therefore needs to export labor, which is needed in the north (RK and RF). Therefore, I do not think that he will jump over us in the foreseeable future. Although I don’t need this status of the leader of the region for nothing - only responsibility increases. I do not believe that the Uzbeks (if they become the main ones in the region) will begin to build some intrigues for us - this is not in their interests, at least for the sake of transit. We can "close" the region and not pay attention to them (we have the RF and the PRC in our neighbors) - it is much more difficult for them.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Swamps in armaments. So it depends on the wallet, so if you look, you will want a lot of things. But judging by the recent events of air defense, electronic warfare with electronic warfare and the air force are of particular importance.

Yes, it’s clear, the wallet is a little scanty. By June it will be seen.

Quote: Kasym

The main problem between Turkmens and Russians was the price. And now the Turkmens agree to give back at the Gazprom price; but they don’t know how to negotiate (all volumes were contracted by Beijing).

There are still graters.

Quote: Kasym

The best option is when the neighbors are stable and rich.

Damn I dream, also Beijing, there is someone what and why to sell.
I think if that Uzbekistan, all the same, we will provide economic and military assistance, there’s no where to go.

[Kasym]

Yes, of course, I think Karimov understands that in extreme cases, there is no one to help but us - that is why he often contacts the National Academy of Sciences. Other neighbors are too weak to help. Take at least ammunition. But I repeat that the Uzbeks are unlikely to be attacked insolently and directly - there Dostum will act as a buffer. And inside the country, security forces are strong.
I think if there are no "sponsors", then Afghanistan will deal with the submission itself - a civil war, there are too many conflicting "groups" there. And all are armed, have their own leaders who do not recognize anyone, except for themselves-loved ones. And as we can see, all neighboring countries have their supporters in Afghanistan; everything is like in Syria (only there are no large-scale clashes).

[MIK.VIK.]

I am not special, but it seems to me that all young people or almost all of us will be Uzbek at construction sites. And if there’s some kind of misunderstanding, it’s necessary, as with the Georgians, to send all of us home. Let them flap their wings there.

[fif21]

Quote: MIKH.VIK.

send home all of us

Stupid! Learn from mattresses-learned Saakashvili, Yaresku .. well, and other figures and back home, so they are in the interests of the United States compatriots so bent You need to work tightly, especially with the eastern elites, and less malice, otherwise, you know, everything can come back (anger at Russia)

[thinker]

it’s worth even rejoicing that the armament of the national army has hardly been updated since its inception

To the author’s disappointment, the visit of the President of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov to Moscow is scheduled for April 25-26. One of the topics of the visit was the re-equipment of the armed forces of the republic.
http://ru.sputniknews-uz.com/politics/20160328/2311421.html

[Turkestan]

The article DECLARE absolutely crumpled. Information on the armed forces of Uzbekistan 20 years ago and today does not give a real assessment of the armed forces of Uzbekistan. You read and swear the writer.

Uzbekistan, like other countries after the collapse of the USSR, was far from the best part of the Soviet army.


1) tanks - T-72, T-64, T-62
2) BMP and armored personnel carriers BMD-1, BRDM-2, BMD-2, 270 BPM-2, BTR-D, BTR-60, 25 BTR-70, BTR-80, BRM;
3) self-propelled artillery - 120 mm self-propelled guns 2S9 "Nona-S", 122 mm self-propelled guns 2C1 "Carnation", 152 mm self-propelled guns 2S3 "Acacia", 2C5 "Hyacinth-S"; 203 mm 2C7 "Peony";
4) towed artillery - 122-mm howitzers D-30,140 units. 2A36 "Hyacinth-B"
5) multiple launch rocket systems - 122-mm MLRS BM-21 "Grad", 48 units. 220-mm MLRS BM-27 "Hurricane".

Air Force: 1) Su-27, MiG-29 multipurpose fighters, Su-17M 3 bomber fighters;
2) attack aircraft and bombers: front-line bombers Su-24, attack aircraft Su-25;
3) combat helicopters: Mi-8 multi-purpose helicopters, Mi-24 transport and combat helicopters.
Uzbekistan alone got about 10 fully equipped regiments

Nothing to Himself at the time of the collapse of 1992 (NOT THE BEST PART OF THE SOVIET ARMY) and this is not a complete list of what remains of the inheritance. So I would like to ask the author of the article AND YOU DO NOT Snicker

[andrewkor]

TurkVO was a strong rear of Soviet troops in Afghanistan and all these nishtyaks went to Uzbekistan.

[Kasym]

Not certainly in that way. In addition to TurkVO, there was also KSAVO, and when they left Afghanistan, equipment was also driven to Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan. For example, BTK RK is ahead of all countries in the region.

[marshes]

So, I wish peace and prosperity to the neighbors!
The other day, our dad did not speak badly with yours.

[avt]

Quote: marshes

The other day, our dad did not speak badly with yours.

Here's the question - what about? Say what you like, but the generation brought up in the USSR is really leaving and in the very near future the change of leadership in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and ohhh, I really would not want the change of leadership to become a bifurcation point in the republics.

[marshes]

Quote: avt

Here's the question - what about? Say what you like, but the generation brought up in the USSR is really leaving and in the very near future the change of leadership in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and ohhh, I really would not want the change of leadership to become a bifurcation point in the republics.

Not a problem, the next generation is the same from the USSR but those who caught the CIS and then those who do not remember the USSR will come. In the east, they respect age, and they don’t hurry much. Besides those who migrated from the Yenisei.
And so, in essence, they talked, otherwise the neighbors are nearby, he knows what to expect. Previously, the gas was stolen, then the water would be "turned off" without warning, then there were two revolutions in a row. How much money was spent to put gas and water into the district, and build water reservoirs ...

[marshes]

Quote: marshes

In the East, age is respected,

In the east, in the east ...

[Alibekulu]

Quote: avt

oh-oh-oh really would not want to change leadership became the point of bifurcation in the republic

With a fright Everything indicates that an intra-elite consensus has been reached about the post-Nazarbayev K-no. Even someone has ambitions, he cannot understand that changing his privileged position in the Republic of Kazakhstan, to a "waiting chair" in the dressing room of Surkov's office .. is not a very bright prospect ..
And in Uzbekistan, the elites are doomed to negotiate ... they have the prospect, if not agree, - Islamic radicals who will not understand much. They will hang "high and short" ..

Quote: avt

That is the question - about what? Like it or not, the generation raised in the USSR and in the nearest future actually goes away

Judging by how they "tear vests" for Russia in the Ukrainian conflict (this is me about the attitude of the population) .. in the near historical perspective, yours have nothing to worry about .. Well, if your Kremlin ideologues don't successfully squander the current, as in Ukraine, traditionally -a good attitude towards Russia and Russians ..

[avt]

Quote: Alibekulu

With what fright Everything says that an intra-elite consensus has been reached about the post-Nazarbayev K-no.

Do not say gop until you jump over. Everything is very delicate in such matters, and when suddenly one team decides that they were cheated and generally pressed in the hope of multiplying by zero, we will climb out of the carpet under the bulldog. We are in Russia in 1993 with shooting in Moscow from tanks already passed, learn from our experience.

Quote: Alibekulu

And in Uzbekistan, the elites are doomed to negotiability ..

I don’t know anything about the Uzbeks and I don’t dare to argue, and no one gives specifics.

Quote: Alibekulu

... they have the prospect, if you do not agree - Islamic radicals who will not understand much. They will hang "high and short" ..

But this is the prospect of everyone in the region. The Uzbek and radical spirits were thrown into Afghanistan’s Badakhshan ... USAF. So the Kyrgyz and Tajiks have something to think about. Moreover, in the very short term, it’s not without reason that our maneuvers involving strategic aviation were carried out there . It’s easier for Uzbeks from the south - Dostum props up, but what’s inside ...

[Razvedka_Boem]

And dear N.A.N and Nash are of the same age, in fact, even if there were some serious disagreements, they would agree. It is still unknown who will be after them, but there are definitely no daughters on our side. And then all sorts of "experts" who have not been with us and do not know the question with the level info "and my friend's friend says" say all sorts of different things, just to blurt out. Whatever it was, I wish that we remain good neighbors.

[amirbek]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

Who will be after them is still unknown, but on our side there are definitely no daughters.

there was such a case at the beginning of 2000 with a minibus on the Kakand highway (I think in other buses - this evil also visited) ... somehow got hooked like a prophet in white sheets began to talk about the past and the future ... and then he predicted that. .. that a woman will become president and the region will begin to flourish (and most importantly, the common people listened to all this carefully!) ... you see even then ... someone planned and prepared the people - and as now it turns out all this looks like striped tricks .. . and it's good that all of this was cut ... and "" worked with a broom

[Chisayna]

Yeah, compared to Tajikistan, which got almost nothing. Uzbekistan from the republics of the SA got more weapons and military equipment. The Uzbek Air Force attacked militants in Tajikistan, the Uzbek special forces, also participated in the civil war in Tajikistan.

[Chisayna]

Yeah, compared to Tajikistan, which got almost nothing. Uzbekistan from the republics of the SA got more weapons and military equipment. The Uzbek Air Force attacked militants in Tajikistan, the Uzbek special forces, also participated in the civil war in Tajikistan.

[Old26]

Quote: Aleksander

Tashkent Aircraft Plant, which produced transport IL-76. However, by now it has ceased to exist. Equipment and personnel were transported to Ulyanovsk.

Thank God that at least something was saved from that enormous wealth that Russia had in vain built into nat. republics. The main thing, of course, people were returned home ...

What was saved is really good and right. About "built" - so where else to build. After all, the Tashkent aircraft plant was evacuated from near Moscow at 41. It was not up to the fat to choose where to build and where not.

Quote: Turkestan

The article DECLARE absolutely crumpled. Information on the armed forces of Uzbekistan 20 years ago and today does not give a real assessment of the armed forces of Uzbekistan. You read and swear the writer.

To begin, look who the author is. Alexander Khramchikhin known on the network (and not only on the network) ANALitik. You can believe 10 percent

[31rus2]

Dear, the absence of a coherent policy of Russia for a long time in relation to Asian countries led to a logical distance from them and the conduct of their regional policy, when the early unions and organizations came to their senses, adding here the "small-town interests of the elites", our "friends" also took advantage of this situation, there is nothing surprising in the fact that the countries of Central Asia began to play their own political game, think for yourself if we allowed a crisis in "fraternal" Ukraine, what to say about Uzbekistan, alas, we are reaping the fruits of our own policy

[Ramzes33]

Our * partners * (China, USA, Europe) have long been ahead of Russia in investing in Uzbekistan. Cons (additional) - uncertainty in the succession of power due to the age of Karimov and young people (lack of knowledge of the Russian language). Yes, and Ferghana can blaze at any time. I hope our services are working on the receiver.

[Kasym]

I do not agree. And how many migrant workers have transferred and are transferring to Uzbekistan? This is a very powerful lever of influence on Tashkent. And (migrant workers) rides, as a rule, young people who are forced to learn Russian there. So it’s not so bad.
Fergana may "blaze", but you do not know that the power bloc in Uzbekistan is very, very strong. And the last trick on the border of Ouse. and Kirg. their initiative. Or, for example, how Karimova's daughter and her approach were "lowered" on their own initiative.

[andrewkor]

The mention of the TAPOiCh aircraft plant, transported to Ulyanovsk, was especially touched. After these pearls, one can not read further. Competencies - 0.

[wanderer_032]

That is why the Americans give out these cars in unlimited quantities to everyone in a row, as a rule, for free.


Americans for free and just like that, never give anything to anyone.

[wanderer_032]

The tank fleet consists of the order 70 T-72, 80 T-80BV, 100 T-64, 179 extremely obsolete T-62. A few hundred more T-64 are stored in non-operational condition. It is armed with 19 BRM (13 BRDM-2, 6 BRM-1К), up to 580 BMP and BMD (120 BMD-1, 9 BMD-2, up to 180 BMP-1, 270 BM-BMPM) to 2 BTR-D, 700 BTR-70, 24 BTR-60, to 36 BTR-70, 290 M-ATV “Oshkosh”, according to 80 “Cougar”, MaxxRro and RG-159). In addition, prior to 50, the BMP-33 / 600 and the BTR-1 / 2 are in storage in a non-operational state.

This is a fairly large amount of armored vehicles for a country like Uzbekistan. Even if 50% of this technique is combat ready.

[wanderer_032]

Artillery toilets 140, 54 2B9, 18 2C1, 17 PM-2, 3 M-48), 2 MLRS (7 BM-700 "Grad", 540 BM-30 "Hurricane"). There are ATGM "Baby" and "Bassoon", 36 VET MT-1. Troops air defense has 54 air defense missile system “Strela-20”, 140 MANPADS “Strela-2”, 36 ZSU-210-120 “Shilka”. All this technique is very outdated.

Yes of course. In Syria, it’s not obsolete, but in Uzbekistan it has taken and has become obsolete. By the way, in Syria there is a technique even older than this. And nothing - fighting.

[Vadim237]

Well, who is to blame for them - they themselves "screwed up" the technique

[wanderer_032]

There are big doubts that Tashkent will be able to seriously oppose the possible aggression of the radical Islamists from Afghanistan. The fight against guerrilla and sabotage-terrorist formations is the most difficult task even for armies that are better-quality than the Uzbek one. In addition, there is not the slightest confidence that the personnel of the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan are resistant to the propaganda of Islamists. In this regard, it may be worth even be glad that the national army’s weapons have hardly been updated since its inception: the Taliban will get less quality equipment or, God forbid, supporters of the “Islamic Caliphate”.

And why such a concern, if the equipment is all old and unworkable? It’s even strange to read it.

[Yak28]

Quote: sgazeev

they express their thoughts only in Russian, they speak richer. Native at the household level.

I already do not believe big in fairy tales

[trantor]

Ground forces are divided into five military districts.

Not otherwise divided by the number of tribes.

[Kibl]

In a word, legalized Basmachi with tanks, missiles and other crap. But if all sorts of IS, Taliban, Jabhars rush to visit them .......

[Kasym]

At the border, they have General Dostum sitting - an ethnic Uzbek (unless of course you know who it is). He holds the buffer zone between the two states. In this regard, Uzbekistan is most prepared - they just need help to send him across the river.

[Bquunited]

KIBL - the very use of the word Basmach puts you on the same line with the banderlog. Basmach means "occupier" in translation. the term was coined by the RKK in order to impart a negative image to the people's liberation movement.

[pin313]

Quote: wanderer_032

. The military air defense has 400 Strela-1 air defense systems, 150 Strela-2 air defense systems, and 50 Shilka air defense systems. All this technique is very outdated.

And not too much - 400 Strela-1 air defense systems? In my opinion, in the Russian army there will not be 400 first and tenth Arrows. One zero is probably superfluous. In the Soviet anti-aircraft battalion, there were 4 Strela with two batteries, and 6 with three batteries. What, they had 60-100 divisions? That is, 60-100 motorized rifle or tank regiments.

[farhod]

Why are you so worried, don’t have to worry about us
You have no problems besides us. Although our problems are somehow
were not, there is a government like you that deals with these and other problems of our country. They cope by the way. First you need to look and put things in order in your garden than to look at strangers.

[Kasym]

Farkhod, good evening. Everyone is worried that Tashkent would not become a close friend of Dr. Sam. And through all sorts of NGOs and US radicals, they would begin to rock the situation in Uzbekistan. Many people evaluate the Uzbek people by migrant workers and do not understand that they are mainly residents of villages and villages, where there is absolutely no work and not quite a good level of education. Therefore, do not pay attention to the biased comments of the Russians, they are not in the topic of the problems of the region and what is happening here (this can be understood even by the article).
Wish you all the best.

[de_monSher]

Everyone worries that Tashkent would not become a close friend of D. Sam

Wow ... the most amazing thing is the experience of the former liberal Russian capitalist banderlogs, which on this site even abound - judging by the level of their knowledge. In the days when they, led by EBN licked ass Uncle Sam hard, Uzbekistan was already under the tough pressinog of the white house, in the form of a sanction, etc. And so far no one has canceled these sanctions and restrictions. Uzbekistan in the late 90s, threw out all sorts of Western funds from its territory, etc. etc. In addition, it seems like the German = Adenaura Foundation, it was also exactly presented in Uzbekistan, in 2005 =.

And now, not knowing any of this, a crowd of xenophobes swoops in on any idiotic article from "helluva lot of clever analysts", and begins, as always, to teach that de, "you can't poke your nose with the left finger of your right hand, this is not accepted in decent society! left toe! We have Banderlog so accepted! ".

[Kasym]

I have one thought here for a long time.
I understand that if the West wants it, it can "incite" militants from Afgan on us. And why are we going to sit and watch all this, like sheep? I think that the Yankees also understand that if the neighbors want to, they will be very, very uncomfortable in Afghanistan. Take that Dostum, or Masud's nephew in the Panjshir Gorge, or the interested party (buy in extreme cases) and supply everything necessary. Give money and the command "face the Yankees." After all, the United States had to negotiate with the Russian Federation so that they would not arrange a second Vietnam in Afghanistan. And we probably agreed that we would not help "our people". And what will happen if they violate the agreements (and I have no doubt about them) and "incite" the militants - I think no one will sit back and quickly find the guilty. Since the Yankees are there, then they are responsible for everything (if something starts, the ambassadors of the US and the EU will be the first to be summoned to the carpet in the region). Our region is "good" for the West because it is too far from their main bases by the buffer countries. And Tomahawks are not particularly popular.

[de_monSher]

The author is delusional, as always. T-64, behaves horribly in Uzbek realities (two-stroke engine, unreliable), and therefore none of them are on the move. Here we have "Ural" old men "72nd", well, some 62nd still on the move = by the way, a wonderful car =. This little thing is enough to judge the author's "competence".

Well, about the nonsense of many Uzbek-phobian banderlogs, who, as always, run in packs, I simply will not say anything. Pay attention to monkeys, waste time.

[Kasym]

Cher, many do not understand why the United States gives gifts and does not ignore Tashkent. And we all understand. Without Beijing and Moscow, Tashkent can arrange so "dark" for the West in Afghanistan that it will not seem little to them. Dostum with his fighters is, give a little money and weapons (ammunition). What else is needed in order to arrange a second Vietnam for the Yankees? The Yankees have a point there, so they sit behind the fence on the bases and don't stick their nose out. The Yankees do not want to get their Syria: on the one hand, the west with puppets in Kabul, and on the other, the Pashtuns (with support from Pakistan), the Uzbeks of Dostum (Uzbekistan), the Tajiks of Masud's nephew (Tajikistan), the Hazaras (Iran), etc. Even the Chinese will find someone to help. Therefore, the United States has only one way out: to appease the most important neighbors of Kabul. Money through any help, BTT and vehicles, etc. Or their incomprehensible proposal for a railway from Afgan to the north, as they call the New Silk Road (or something like that). You and the Turkmens have a railway to Afghanistan, so what's the question. Let only these branches be completed to Kabul and other cities. They run there, and will we build at our own expense? Let them invest here at least - but no, they don't want to, we are called. With this approach, the Yankees will not gain a foothold here, so let them sit in their trapped bases. They will not sit a lot like that, they will rather be dropped off.
Therefore, the following thought develops. Or maybe it was agreed at the top that Tashkent should not be in the CSTO and the Union? A field for maneuver is opened, as Tashkent is becoming an independent player in the political field of Afghanistan, especially since there is a large human resource. The Yankees have to run between Tashkent and Moscow, listening to different points of view and (not going anywhere) take them into account. And Tashkent in the CSTO means talking only with Moscow. Therefore, it is beneficial for Tashkent to be now outside of various unions. There is a sound grain in this thought - don’t you find it !? If there are such agreements between Moscow and Tashkent, then Khan will be in the west in Afghanistan (because such tactics of Moscow + Tashkent are for the long term; and the western only for today).

[de_monSher]

And Tashkent in the CSTO means talking only with Moscow. Therefore, it is beneficial for Tashkent to be now outside of various unions.

I have an acquaintance, SNB-shnik = KNB according to you, like Kasym, or FSB Russian =, senior officer, he will be younger in age = that is, he became as an officer in independent Uzbekistan =. Quietly, calmly works in the elimination of corruption. He "enters" the structure, delves into the situation, takes the heads by the balls, changes everything - management, leadership, work style - leaves, until corruption starts again in this structure. So, in his office I am touched by desk books - everything related to F.E. Dzerzhinsky. Well, his bustyk. Knock bribe takers on the head, probably. And some kind of "very clever guy" like Khramchikhin and Co, sitting in Russia, will argue that Uzbekistan has gone far from the Soviet past?

Okay, the second situation. Moscow region. Summer 2015. Somehow my fate ended with Uzbeks from Tajikistan. They came to visit me often, I treated them, than God sent. They just arranged get-togethers, chat. They come to me once, I made sausages for a quick hand. They are in refusal - we will not eat that. I - "Guys, how is it - the day before yesterday they ate, today no, no?" In response, I hear - "Why, they went to the mosque. There the mullah rode over the ears - like, sausages in the store - it's full of haram. Fuck knows what they are shoving there!" And the bastard, this mullah, did not forget to add - "But I recently opened my own factory in the Moscow region, buy sausages there. They are halal!" It's in Russia. And what will he tell them tomorrow? What is the thread of the type - "cut the infidels"? Let a very clever mullah try in our Uzbekistan, like a thread, to tell his parishioners this. They will immediately give him - "Well, smart guy, what's your name? Come here, to the office. You haven't lost your scent for an hour, comrade minister of the cult? Instead of serving, you organize advertising, eh? You don't Wahhabite for an hour, in general?" ". And such a poor fellow will have a big enema for three liters of ski-pee-gift with gramophone needles. And these gentlemen Russians ... I’m afraid to call them comrades, they will probably be offended. I just remember the TV footage of 93, when some dude, a "revolutionary", was pushing a speech in the frame with an incendiary speech - "Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Let's act, gentlemen! Yes, be Gentlemen, Gentlemen!"... well, now, and these gentlemen Russians, who have made a complete mess with religions in their country, which often slide into completely wild clericalism, will say that Salafism or Wahhabism can "bloom" in Uzbekistan? Does anyone know even them what kind of Islam is widespread in our country in Uzbekistan, in your country in Kazakhstan? At least some of them know that the Hanafi sense of Islam, just on a cannon shot, doesn’t let Salafi or Wahhabi foolishness close to itself = not counting individual id-and-otov ... well, that's why they go to hang their ears, and fall into heresy =?

[de_monSher]

Or maybe it was agreed at the top that Tashkent should not be in the CSTO and the Union?

It may be so, but it may be different, all the same - yes, it looks like a game "bad, good cop". If you noticed, Uzbekistan "torpedoed" not only the CSTO, but also the Organization of Turkic Unity = at all meetings, there are also Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and Kyrgyzstan like ... Uzbekistan ignores this unification =. Didn't you ask yourself why? Simply because, Messrs. Turks, they have “rasped” too much and have forgotten their true roots. Their ancestors came from our lands. Yes, there was a moment when they built the Empire. But as they were "younger brothers", so they will remain - wisdom is not enough = the same, completely wild case with the Russian Su-24 example =. And if some country, in some international organization, tries to crush the rest of the participants by itself, begins to promote exclusively its interests - Uzbekistan will participate in such an enterprise, will not be. You and I, Uyghurs, can promote the organization of Turkic Unity - but not the Turks, who are arrogant ... *) Kazakhstan, too, seems to have begun to distance itself from this Turkish syndicate if we notice ... *))

But the Russians either don’t understand or don’t want to understand - recently their embassy in Armenia was bombarded with coins and some kind of muck. Does Russia, which sells arms to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, really have the shame to say that someone else is trying to sit on two chairs? *) And what will the CSTO do in this situation, the aggravation of the situation in Karabakh? CRRF? Who will the Russians fight for? Will a common religion play a role here (Christian, but generally poor Armenia), or a stable payment for arms supplies (Muslim, but oil-rich Azerbaijan)? Oh, m ...

[Pushkar]

About the "Uzbekophobic Banderlog". A woman worked for me, a refugee, sorry, a displaced person from Tashkent. The whole family left, abandoned a three-room apartment there. I ask why we left. Answers, there is no work, there is nowhere to study in Russian (universities), older sons - as laborers, youngest daughter - as concubines to a rich Uzbek? Now the guys (in Russia) - one has served, graduated from an engineering university, the second graduated from the conservatory, a rather famous opera baritone, the youngest graduated from Gnesinka, a pianist. Russians are leaving you, not the worst people are leaving, they are not leaving a good life. And you are all about "Uzbekophobes".

[de_monSher]

I had a woman, a refugee, sorry, a migrant from Tashkent.

If she left before 2006, then yes, real estate prices were administratively kept at a very low level ... it was probably easier to just "leave" the apartment and leave. In 2003, Zhenya and I = Russian, by the way ... *) =, we bought a three-ruble note in a decent area of ​​Tashkent for $ 4.800. In Chirchik, for example = it is 25 km from Tashkent, the city of the military - who served in the SA in Soviet times, knows this city well =, at that time, you could buy a four-room apartment, for 300-400 bucks. In the second half of 2006, prices went up sharply and became "adequate", approximately - the general CIS. I can sincerely sympathize with this woman = spread his hands =. Thank God, everything took shape in a new place. In contrast, I can give you two examples.
In 2015, the parents of my good friends left for St. Petersburg. Honored people, all their lives they worked to strengthen the "missile shield" of the USSR. They left with a "creak", through "I don't want" - it's just that all the children have already settled in St. Petersburg, grandchildren have been born and have grown up. They wanted to be closer to them. Here they sold an apartment, a piece of land - and bought it in St. Petersburg, sort of like a completely normal apartment from the Central Committee for Public Administration and Development, sort of like three rubles.
And another friend of mine - he had a "Beard". He's still whining. Everything whined, but whined - "Everything here sucks ... yes drug addiction ... yes there is no work ... yes there is no future ... I don't want to go to Russia - everything is worse there than here! I want to Paris!" He was engaged in printing - he got caught in the printing of Islamic literature = he did not care what to print, money would be paid =. They took him by his personal belongings, twisted him, he rummaged and somehow paid off. I quickly sold everything here, and dumped it in my native Paris - as a victim of political repression ... *)) The last time we saw each other, I came to my friends, filmmakers in France, whining all the same - "Oh, how shitty here! Paris ... Arabs. Smelly blacks! Snobs French ... All drug addicts, drunkards! Yyyyyyyyy! "

Morality - everything happens in life, this is not a reason to whine and blame everything and everyone around ...

[de_monSher]

I ask why they left. He answers that there is no work, there is no place to study in Russian (universities), the eldest sons - laborers, the youngest daughter - concubines of a rich Uzbek?

Nuuuu ... I’m not calling delirium, but I’ll call it sooner said in haste.

Question No. 1 - and who will take her sons as laborers? Do they even know how to work? For this it is necessary to be born in a village, to be flesh from the flesh of the earth - there are such of ours in Uzbekistan, a dime a dozen in the villages. Get out of Kazakhstan illegally and suffer from it themselves. In the fall there was an embarrassment, we came to visit friends in Chimkent, there was a feast. We went out to smoke, we, several Tashkent residents, our friends Kazakhs. A tractor is driving, 15 Uzbeks are standing in the trailer. The tractor driver stopped in front of us, and yelled - "Guys, do you need labor ?! I will sell for cheap!" We are fucking crazy, friends Kazakhs - quietly freaking out. "Not needed? Well, I went on!" A dumb scene for about five minutes, until the tractor drove off, then one of the Kazakh friends says - "Guys, sorry, tomorrow we'll find out what kind of frame it is, we'll figure it out. Sorry for that." And so sourly he tried to joke - "Guys, just don't think that we will do this with you." We even tried to smile, honestly ...

Number two - "concubine" of a rich Uzbek. If the girl is underage, then such a case will have very serious consequences for any Uzbek - rich, poor - it doesn't matter. Such a piston will be inserted into this frame, for about 10 years it will be walking around, and its reproductive organ will be suitable only for the administration of natural needs at the urinal. We have any "rich man" under the hood, and if you "lose your scent", but simply spread your fingers too zealously, the consequences will be awful for him. We are similar in many ways, but we are not Russia. Here you can only be "modestly" rich, without a strong show, unlike you.

Like that...

[Bquunited]

I never cease to be amazed at the cynicism and stupidity of many commentators. ANALYTICS, too, to me. Now, in your opinion, we are an underdeveloped people just because we speak Russian badly? Well, yes, a surplus of the population. Healthy families. Everyone lacks work and you lack PCs. Not like you gentlemen with 19 liters of alcohol a year per capita. But our grandfathers shed blood in the place with yours, killed enemies without even knowing the Russian language. You pseudo-patriots know the story of Pavlov's house in Stalingrad. So one of these "construction battalions" was Uzbek, who recently died at the age of 90+. And how many families were rescued from hunger, sheltered and nobody mocked them. Belozhopim did not call them names. More than 300 thousand gave their lives for the USSR. However, you have a short memory of the Lord.

Speak with us Khanate !! And who is Putin? Emperor of all Russia? You, slaves, are robbed in broad daylight and all of America seems to you. All his cents are billionaires. Timchenko, Rotenberg, etc. Our officials do not even stand next to yours. A la Serdyukov or Vasiliev. And this is a spit on your faces, not ours.

And on account of the article - FUFLO complete. I don’t even want to start.

Our army is normal. The food is good. There are no grandfathers. There are a lot of served benefits. Even when entering university. Morale is normal. Training may not be at that level, but it is also not inferior. The war in the Middle East showed that modern weapons are not the main thing. But, the author forgot to mention about our drone drones and air defense HQ-9 (China). So it is not in vain that we take a place in the ratings.

Uzbekistan always acts exclusively in its interests. As he notes that someone is rowing for himself, immediately gets up and leaves. This is the CSTO. We do not want to be under anyone. We are on our own. Russia does not feed us. They send home not the loot but the hard-earned. So what about nini

You should be ashamed of the fact that you are so bad about Uzbekistan and the Uzbeks are responding. Oh in vain.

[kon125]

As time goes on, everything changes. I spoke with the Uzbek army general about the development of friendship between Russian and Uzbek cadet schools. He was an adviser to Karimov and had a very competent look at the education of the elite. I invited our children to the Fergana Educational Center. It did not work out.
However, there is no alternative to rapprochement. Yes, Karimov managed in Andijan. But this is not the last push. There will be more.
Regarding the policy of Russia in Central Asia. It should be. In addition to the military, there is also economic policy. By investing in industry, education, grants, programs, Russia can affect the stability of Central Asia. I observe a spontaneous change in the appearance and behavior of people who come to work. They became younger, they know better the Russian language, the distance in command is reduced, they speak competently, and all this is due to everyday communication with the Russians. Good relations. Qualified visitors themselves honestly say that those who are hiding from the wanted list are coming to Russia having committed crimes. And they would have been tough at home with them, but in Russia you can get lost.
Skillfully working, developing cooperation and economic ties, Russia can reduce the flow of guest workers by creating industries to get goods from there. But the elites of Central Asia are not eager to let Russian capital go.
And bring the matter to an explosion.
Factors can be both Islamic functionalism and hopelessness due to lack of jobs and development. Hard workers go to Russia less and less because of the low ruble. They will accumulate at home .. taking into account the flow of volunteers from BV trained to fight, the growth of fundamentalism, even cruel measures against political prisoners and the repressions that await the Islamists may not produce results.
There is no alternative to rapprochement with Russia. Is it right for Russia? Question: The authorities of the Central Asian republics need it more. If they overcome selfishness, inertia and begin to develop production and education at home, with the help of Russia, they will get a chance for stability. Together, in a word, we stronger. And the fact that the tobacco is apart, it’s fair, Russia should not be a donor. This is done once, and that's enough. Moreover, in Central Asia all the attributes of state power, the army, the constitution, the government. I’m only afraid. All this until the first serious explosion.

[de_monSher]

Together, in a word, we are stronger. And the fact that tobacco is apart is true, Russia should not be a donor.

Sorry, old song about the main thing. Surprisingly, in Soviet times, it produced several tens of tons of gold, a considerable amount of uranium, polymetals, chromium, manganese, some rare-earth elements, gas, oil, phosphates, fluorite ... I'm not talking about cotton, vegetables and fruits ... giving all this in the union budget, was Uzbekistan also a recipient? Nude, nude ...

Factors may include both Islamic fundamentalism and hopelessness from lack of jobs and development,

Come, take a look, then write whatever you think up - I'm sure your thoughts will change. And about "fundamentalism" and about "hopelessness". If you are sorry for the plane, come by train to Chimkent, I will personally meet you there and bring you to Tashkent. The conversation is about 7 or 8 thousand rubles per ticket.

Hard workers go to Russia less and less because of the low ruble.

Our hard workers have already "pricked up" and "skis" to South Korea, Japan, China. Less - to Europe. Do not worry, within 2-4 years, it will be done so that people will come to you only under labor contracts, and only after a period of adaptation and training. If you think that remittances from Russia play a big role in the economy ... hmm, yes, they do have a HUGE role in the gray zone of the economy. Do you think the managers are not tired of the fact that there is no tax revenue?

However, there is no alternative to rapprochement.

I sincerely thought so too, quite recently. Now I changed my mind - even judging by the comments on this site - you guys, as a community of people, Russians, are very "sick". They are not even sick with the imperial syndrome - this "disease", just the same, I suffer more, for example ... You are "sick" with megalomania and overestimated self-esteem. It is best for Uzbekistan to get closer, and very closely, only with Kazakhstan. This is a reliable neighbor and friend.

[teron]

About "megalomania" and "overestimated self-esteem" - it's you in vain. The fact that immigrants from Central Asia are looked down upon in Russia is understandable: the average Russian sees them mainly in low-paid jobs, disenfranchised, at the very bottom of the social ladder. The situation is aggravated by periodically committed crimes by migrant workers. It turns out a kind of general background, in the details of which the average person does not want to understand at all. Well, the education system in Russia itself, and the general culture and system of values ​​of the younger generation is no longer Soviet. And what kind of Uzbeks and Central Asia are there, what kind of respect is there for our neighbors if we do not feel respect for our ancestors ?! This is me about the attitude towards the USSR, and the Great Patriotic War. Victory Day is coming soon - we are waiting for another wave of feces from our native intelligentsia.

[Signaller]

How many infantry fighting vehicles How many tanks ???? Yes, no difference. How many Karimov sits at the helm in Uzbekistan ????? Yes, I think 30 years already. That is the question. His whole servants are trying to stay in power. Therefore, the answer-IT DOESN’T PREPARE
NI K OGD A. With their opposition, they will also cope with the technology of the 80s. And for third-party ??? Maybe they are waiting for them ??? East is a delicate matter.......

[Yak28]

Quote: alexmach

Listen, and if they all suddenly disappear, who will clean the streets instead?

All their lives, Muscovites and residents of other cities of Russia cleaned streets and worked as sellers and worked in construction sites, and they didn’t sell lumps in the markets, but grandmothers traded. That Moscow cannot do without Asians retarded in development is nonsense.

[saygon66]

- Mmda ... Uzbekistan is moving away from Russia, its armed forces are in a deplorable state ...
- And this poses a serious threat to Russia? Has anyone imagined the armored armada of Uzbekistan to defend our borders? And if something happened, the heroic representatives of the former fraternal republics will lay bones under the walls of the Kremlin?
- Governments can promise each other anything they want ... but not officials fight ...
- The experience of the Americans in Iraq shows: Swollen millions of dollars and military-technical assistance did not help build at least any effective army, and even more so force it to fight for the interests of creditors!
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[From Samara]

Their troops are in good condition ...

[saygon66]

- Yes, what are you up to? Consider these troops as valuable and loyal allies? This is unlikely ...

[From Samara]

In Central Asia, the army of Uzbekistan is much stronger than the army of Kazakhstan ... The Uzbeks in Ferghana got an excellent training center for the airborne forces, as well as all the property recreated on the eve of the collapse of 105 airborne division. Also, do not forget that the Uzbeks also buy weapons, and significantly, just do not advertise it ...

But the most important thing is that the army of Uzbekistan is well-controlled. And how they suppressed the mutiny, for example, in Andijan, says a lot! In one night, quickly, brutally, without any delay. I doubt that the Kazakhs could handle such a length of time ...

And Kazakhs have modest mobilization resources, and the territory is huge ...

It is not strange that the Russians serve in the army of Uzbekistan ...

For example, the troops of Uzbekistan while suppressing the rebellion in Andijan, on imported cars:

Andijan, suppression of the rebellion:

[bumbarash]

In the 90s, when the Taliban gained strength and strove for the borders of the CIS, Uzbekistan asked Russia for help with ammunition. Specifically with rockets for hail, etc. To simply cover the advancing Taliban in the squares, if anything. Because otherwise it would hardly be possible to cope with them. Be healthy with combat experience. So what? Fuck there! They didn't. Then they preferred to burn in the warehouses of which it was burning, if you remember a lot. Karimov then spoke in his hearts: Chernomyrdin promised an oath, but now he doesn't even pick up the phone. It was a bit unsettling time. I remember how tight it became with butter, cereals, flour. Everything went to Dostum, so that he would feed his soldiers.
It seems to me that is why Uzbekistan does not have much trust in any associations, unions, etc. .

[bumbarash]

It is not strange that the Russians serve in the army of Uzbekistan ...

and what is strange here? and Tatars serve, and Koreans, and Tajiks.