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How much is our humanism, or Who will pay the Ukrainian bill?

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It is beautifully said today by those who yesterday spat poison at us. The words are beautifully chosen to make me think of the love of mankind, of humanism, of good. You listen to such "humanist-humanistic people" and you understand that something in this world has turned upside down. For some reason, the legs, which, logically, should be below, stick out above the head ... But the head is where people usually have another, also very important organ.



Dutch "De Telegraaf" has published an article entitled "Welcome to the Wild West of Eastern Europe"


Now everyone is discussing the results of the referendum in the Netherlands. The topic, which in our opinion, should be of interest to all Europeans. And what really? And in fact, everything goes according to the old Russian saying. Maxim died, well, to hell with him. Those who had some opinion on the association of Ukraine in the EU, expressed themselves. The rest doesn’t give a damn about all these "Europeans too." His problems enough.

In Ukraine, they also understood that the informational “taran” did not work. It is already difficult to deceive even its citizens with the famous "world-wide". Somehow it turned out that this very "whole world" has other problems on hearing.

Europe? Europe suddenly saw that everything about which they and their visiting Ukrainian politicians enthusiastically told them turned out to be a pure bluff. Reforms that cost so much money from the pockets of European taxpayers did not even begin. None The heroic war with Russia goes on only in the heads of Ukrainian politicians and the president personally. Ukrainians are already wrong and want to get a "visa-free". They firmly believed that the abolition of visas would give them the opportunity to study and work in Europe. Will give the opportunity to enjoy all the European achievements on an equal footing with the indigenous Europeans.

But it turned out that the abolition of visas is a simple formality that does not give anything concrete. Yes, come. But show me the money so that we know about your solvency. And the return ticket, too. So that we here, in Europe, were sure that you, here with us, would not linger. Just in case.

The Americans, finally, directly stated what fate awaits Ukraine in the future. An agrarian country without any claims to the role is not so much in world, even in regional politics. A sort of big Moldova or Hungary. We sow, we remove. Roguley country.

By the way, this word is absolutely not offensive. European, right to say, the word. According to one version, it comes from the word "slingshot". That is how in Galicia put barriers in front of cities. And the villagers could import their products to Lviv, for example, only at night. And in the morning, be sure to disappear on your farms. In order not to spoil the view from the window for their Polish gentry.

But most importantly, the Americans put in place their European friends. Ukraine's big deriban is now closed for European business. Okay, for the Russians. Here the Europeans are in favor. But for Europeans ... It's a shame, I guess.

Such a fate for the former "brothers" we predicted two years ago. Even a person who was far from politics, but who had a simple everyday experience, could clearly see what would happen in the future.

Money must be earned, not to beg. And then, when you have earned money in your pocket, you will be treated with respect. And to the poor on the porch are treated with compassion. Not with respect, but compassion. On holidays they serve a lot of money for food. Unless, of course, there is an extra penny.

All the louder in Europe voices sounded about the role of Russia in the restoration of Ukraine. Yes Yes! It is Russia! Once we wrote about it. “Banquet” in Ukraine was only at its beginning, and the question of who will pay for it, has already arisen. His, this question, in every possible way tried to bypass the Ukrainian, and our politicians in their comments. Everybody was talking about economic chaos, the destruction of individual industries, the decline in living standards. But about the one who will pay for it, everyone preferred to be silent together in a pillow.

Ukrainians were hoping for Europe. Come in, and where will go? Common European Values. And the example before the eyes is Greece. They live somehow. Though completely parasites. And we, Ukrainians, hard workers.

Europeans were hoping for Americans. Even the total European economy is not close to the American one. Yes, and this Maidan is organized from there. The money at the beginning of the action also seemed to flow. But then it turned out that such international institutions as the IMF and others like him are controlled by the United States, and everyone invests money there. And it was precisely this money that became the gasoline with which the Ukrainian machine ground the country's economy, the lives of ordinary Ukrainians, and the stability of Europe.

Americans also did not particularly plan to finance Ukrainian poverty. At the beginning of the Maidan, Ukraine was really a tasty morsel. And in itself, and as a window to Russia. Or as a way to bend Russia very much. But two years of deriban turned this piece into dust. A competent policy of Russia in time "threw a noose" on the Ukrainian benefits. The Russian market was protected from the flow of Euro-American goods. And moreover, work is in full swing on replacing the products of Ukrainian factories. Hard, but coming.

In the first year, and even last year, there were many truly pro-Ukrainian citizens in Russia. Another Soviet postulate that the rulers were to blame, and the people had nothing to do with it, acted. Yes, and Russian ties with the Ukrainians remained. But Ukrainian propaganda was doing its job. Increasingly, we received a spit in response to the call there. Occupants, you are killing us! From those with whom they have known for many years. From those with whom blood ties are related. From those who constantly came to visit. We kill them ...

It is clear that the Americans did not calculate the change in the attitude of Russians towards Ukrainians. For a Westerner, it is difficult to understand why there are now Ukrainians, whom we still treat very well, and there are dill. Why do Russians go to war as volunteers for the Ukrainians of Donbass against the dill of Ukraine? Why do Ukrainians who do not kneel in the Crimea and in the Donbas speak about their Ukrainians with pride? Why do Russians make a friendly laugh at the "Khokhly" and the Ukrainians over the "Moskaly" in these places?

It turned out as they always said. Russians and Ukrainians are one people. With their cockroaches, but one. But not all Ukrainians are Russians. And this "broke the pattern" of American and European strategists. However, as usual, when it comes to the strangeness and peculiarities of the Russian mentality.

And today, from different places in Europe and America, we increasingly hear that the Russians, based on the idea of ​​humanism, should help Ukraine to build an independent and strong state. Humanism as the greatest value of humanity ...

Just how does this idea of ​​humanism relate to the corpses of Donetsk children, old people, warriors? How does the idea of ​​humanism relate to American military instructors and supplies of equipment for war? How does this idea relate to those former friends and relatives I mentioned above?

One killed child is not worth all the ideas of the world. Whatever they are beautiful. Russia helped and will help build the LDNR. And we will feed as much as possible. And we will teach young people. And, if necessary, volunteers will go again. I wrote a lot about what I do not like in LDNR. I really do not understand much there. But there people build their country. The way they want it. And what can build. Not me, not another Russian, not American, not European.

I will not vote for helping Ukraine build a state. And I will not forget that they have done dill in the Donbas. You have to pay for everything. Remember how the foreman taught you to observe military discipline? It does not come through the head - it comes through the legs. And it came. Even for the most stupid and hard-nosed.

The political crisis in Ukraine is heating up. If someone thinks that with the appointment of a new prime minister everything will calm down, believe me, you are very mistaken. Any prime today is just a pawn. A pawn, by analogy with chess, is completely uncovered by "heavy" pieces. Easy prey for everyone and everything. Leapfrog with governments (I’m sure that the future appointment is not the last one this year) will continue until a certain point.

And the moment will coincide, unless, of course, someone or something plays completely unexpectedly, only with elections in the Donbas. That is what matters most today. To force the elections to take place according to Ukrainian laws and thereby legalize the federal idea of ​​Ukraine.

After the election, there will be no other way for the Kiev authorities. Or a broad federation, or a new state. Elections will be under European control. It is only doubtful that the Donetsk residents would agree to this. Very doubtful.

In the meantime, we are waiting for statements by European politicians, our liberals, American commentators on the need to pay for the "Ukrainian banquet" in Russian rubles. Western humanism for Russian money! Russian compassionate. Russian do not throw their. Exactly. But only your own! We do not need someone else.
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  1. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich April 13 2016 06: 14
    +57
    Everything is said correctly.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 April 13 2016 06: 50
      +73
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      Everything is said correctly.

      Not all. Mr. Staver aka domokl as always neglects reference data:

      Europeans hoped for the Americans. Even in total, the European economy is not near the American one.

      Very one hundredиt:
      According to the IMF, at 2015, the PPP GDP was: US 17947 billion, EU 18640 billion
      According to the IMF, at 2014, the PPP GDP was: US 17348 billion, EU 18011 billion
      According to the World Bank, for the 2014 year, the PPP GDP was: US 17419 billion $, EU 18423 billion $ (of which 13107 billion $ - Eurozone countries)

      If we take the GDP data at face value, not PPPs, then the data for the USA / EU remain the same.
      BUT - If you take the GDP at PPP, in the first place - China, and if the GDP at face value - then the United States (from countries) or the EU (from associations).

      It should be noted that in fact it is not the size of the economy, but the EU’s lack of the ability to pursue an independent policy based on its considerable economic potential. In fact, EU sovereignty is limited.

      Otherwise, I agree with the article, with the exception of some value judgments. But I will not write my article in the comments.

      Thanks to the authors, the article is a plus.
      1. Berber
        Berber April 13 2016 08: 38
        +55
        Do not find fault with trifles. The main thing is reflected in the essence.
        And about Ukraine I want to say that therapeutic fasting will probably benefit. In the end, if zapadenschina is a disease, then you need to get sick. But Russia should not intervene for as long as possible (well, at least radically), or there will be a relapse.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 April 13 2016 11: 03
          +33
          Quote: BerBer
          if zapadenschina is a disease, then it is necessary to be ill.


          Oddly enough, you won’t get over it. Bandera after the war, not all finished off, and the result is obvious. So a surgeon will be needed here, and not one, and they will have to be cut alive, they have not yet come up with such anesthesia.
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          2. Mik13
            Mik13 April 13 2016 11: 51
            +40
            Quote: Ros 56
            Bandera after the war, not all finished off, and the result is obvious.

            You are not entirely correct. Those who remained on the territory of the USSR were "finished off" all. Not everyone has been re-educated by exceptional measure. Some of them happened to be amnesty. But everyone was allowed through the law enforcement system of the USSR.

            The current ones are those brought up in training camps for 10 years after the events of 2004. Then, under Yushchenko, since 2006 the SBU was headed by Nalyvaichenko - he was in charge of these camps. Considering Nalyvaichenko's involvement in the US special services, it is clear where the neo-Nazis' legs grow from.
            (By the way, Yushchenko’s wife is a US citizen, an employee of the US State Department and the daughter of former USSR citizens who refused to return to the USSR after WWII)
            Some of the radicals started their "careers" in football fan clubs and similar organizations, not burdened with ideology (or anarcho-extremist).

            The "old" Nazis are either individual asocials, like Muzychko or Korchinsky, or offspring under-educated by the "bloody regime", like Yu.R. Shukhevych. They are few in fact.

            So all that herd that is currently observed is raised and trained for US money with the inaction (and with the assistance) of the Ukrainian special services in less than 10 years.
            1. Son of the ural
              Son of the ural April 15 2016 15: 33
              +2
              Then the question arises: "What was our embassy doing there, seeing all this?" After all, it was at our side that all THIS was nurtured and we simply could not ignore THIS.
          3. Katman
            Katman April 14 2016 05: 20
            +2
            I know from personal experience. Bandera's exiled people lived with us. At the time of the "thaw" they were allowed to go wherever they wanted. Let's go to our homeland, to Lviv. 50% returned. Yes, to where they were sent! The concept of independence has changed. They want to live where it is better. However, almost everyone wants this. Everyone chooses for himself, a woman, a religion, a path ... (c).
            1. ver_
              ver_ April 14 2016 06: 29
              +1
              ... a woman chooses a man for herself and ..
        2. BEGA2015
          BEGA2015 April 14 2016 13: 42
          +2
          All right!
          The Germans have a proverb: "Wer nicht hören will, muss fühlen" or in Russian "He who does not want to listen, he must feel."
          And also from the Bible - today's message to Russia: "Do not throw pearls in front of pigs"!
          Here the well-known thesis of the classic of the theory of revolution will also act, defining one of the conditions for the emergence of a revolutionary situation: "The worse, the better!"
        3. satellite
          satellite April 14 2016 15: 14
          +7
          Ukraine will be interesting only after being discharged from the mental hospital. Personally, I already pofigu what is there and how, it's funny to look at this freak show from the side, beetles swarm in the bank and oxygen is running out. There is no need to talk about "we are brothers", before the Maidan there were still illusions, fragments of memories from the USSR, now they are gone. I am disgusted and somehow disgusted to think that after a while, when it becomes unbearable all those "brothers" that are sitting behind their fences will suddenly become foaming at the mouth, vying with each other, shouting that they have always been with us ... mentally ... only during dreams ... very deep dreams ... after vodka. Here I am writing and I want to disown once and for all from all this Dill, they wanted to go to Europe - bring down, the main thing for us is that forever, tired of feeding parasites, let the enemy be better than a cunning and envious friend.
        4. ver_
          ver_ April 15 2016 14: 51
          0
          ... the question, of course, is interesting, but there is a very vigorous mixture of peoples .. The crest is not a nationality ..
          There is no Jewish nation - there is Jewishism - a way of life and worldview ..
          Something similar, crest .. They are very close, a long neighborhood affects .. And who will surpass whom - the grandmother said in two ..
        5. DaMolotoff
          DaMolotoff April 15 2016 15: 54
          0
          This is how people’s opinions are rapidly changing. Like inappropriate men in a drunken stupor. First, they want to break everyone for their Ukrainian brothers, and then they themselves reject them.
          Therapeutic fasting? What state are we talking about? About our sworn enemy or about the neighbor with whom centuries of history connect us?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2016 10: 21
        +1
        The United States and Europe have a turnover of more than a trillion dollars - of course, Europe will be on the hook of the United States.
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 13 2016 17: 51
        +4
        GDP is a hoax. China and the USA may go head to head in terms of GDP, however, in real production, China has long been ahead of the rest, for example, in steel production, China has overtaken the US TEN times!
      4. Katman
        Katman April 14 2016 05: 03
        +3
        I have a doubt that Europe is a country. I was taught different at school. Or am I wrong?
        1. Ragnarjak4
          Ragnarjak4 April 14 2016 05: 23
          -1
          Here ... And the Great and Furious GDP also studied at a school similar to yours. And his friends were there - they studied music.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 13 2016 16: 20
      +4
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      Everything is said correctly

      "But there people are building their own country. The kind they want."
      Not the population, but the oligarchs and officials. The opinion of ordinary people does not mean anything, as in Russia.
      The population just wants to live humanly
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    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 13 2016 22: 17
      +3
      Of course, everything is correct. But some people forgot that Ukraine has always been a part of Russia. In western Ukraine, with Poland, it’s better to remember the blacks of the United States. Who does not like to be Russian, minus.
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 13 2016 06: 25
    +37
    Voices about the role of Russia in the restoration of Ukraine sounded louder in Europe. Yes Yes! It is Russia!

    And we did not doubt it. For some reason, Russia always has to pay for everything destroyed by the West. For a long time they did not receive stars.
    1. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw April 13 2016 09: 21
      +32
      I will not vote for helping Ukraine build a state.

      And I have no desire to feed them, it’s better to restore Syria
      1. Altona
        Altona April 13 2016 09: 47
        +6
        Quote: sanja.grw
        And I have no desire to feed them, it’s better to restore Syria

        ----------------------
        There is no need to feed anyone, this money is being stolen from the IMF by the top, and how subtly there are few ethnic Ukrainians there. But in Ukraine, it seems to me, on the contrary, many people are very loyal to us. I correspond with various people, even hardened Ukrainians, Lyashko's supporters, but some began to consider themselves Russians, and young people from Kherson, Kiev, Zaporozhye. Some even in philosophy classes began to object that Ukraine is a stupid nonsense, which is surprising. When the teacher talks about the "Russian-Ukrainian" war. It’s a pity for them and the country. In general, Ukraine is not a separate ethnic group, there are all our haploids in chromosomes. This is about how the Gorky region was separated, there is the same language with an admixture of rural dialects. But there is no cultural matrix of its own, and there have never been other attributes of the state, there were only bandit republics - Cossack Sichs and the Makhnovist Gulyai-Pole. In general, it was impossible to separate them from the USSR at the time.
        1. sanja.grw
          sanja.grw April 13 2016 10: 22
          +9
          This is approximately how the Gorky region was separated,

          Gorky region do not touch, I live there for 40 years
          No offense
          1. Altona
            Altona April 13 2016 12: 01
            +6
            Quote: sanja.grw
            Gorky region do not touch, I live there for 40 years
            No offense

            ----------------------
            As an example, it is a very indicative territory, very similar to Ukraine and in which many immigrants from Ukraine live. In addition to ethnic Russians, it is inhabited by Tatars, Mordvinians, Votyaks, Chuvashs. It also has a powerful industry in all sectors. And under the USSR, the Gorky region was generally self-sufficient - space, atom, shipbuilding and auto-building, food industry, light industry, electronics, agriculture. And about the same area around Kiev declared Ukraine. Absurdity is complete.
        2. Naum
          Naum April 13 2016 21: 51
          +9
          Quote: Altona
          they could not be separated from the USSR at one time.

          There was no need to create them at all! Most of the "republics" did not even know a word like that. In 1922, a gang of Kagtav cosmopolitans tore apart the great Empire ...
        3. Flexsus
          Flexsus April 13 2016 22: 25
          +2
          Gorbachev and EBN in court!
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      3. creak
        creak April 13 2016 10: 49
        +29
        Quote: sanja.grw
        better to restore Syria


        And even better emergency housing in the Russian regions ....
        1. Altona
          Altona April 13 2016 12: 02
          +8
          Quote: ranger
          And even better emergency housing in the Russian regions ....

          --------------------
          and roads in cities in normal asphalt roll up.
      4. Stena
        Stena April 13 2016 11: 30
        +25
        Quote: sanja.grw
        And I have no desire to feed them, it’s better to restore Syria

        Better to restore Great Russia. Well, for starters - at least make repairs in the apartment ... =).
      5. Astrey
        Astrey April 15 2016 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: sanja.grw
        I will not vote for assistance to Ukraine in the construction of the state

        Quote: sanja.grw
        better to restore Syria



        In these times, nobody is going to restore anything else. Only Russia.
        And humanism on a national scale, although small and ugly, but also only Russia.
        The rest of the planet - not even humanity - is consumers and users, if on the state headquarters, humanism and conscience are only among loners, but the mass of rogues is a crowd and not a power.
  3. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 13 2016 06: 41
    +13
    But it turned out that the abolition of visas is a simple formality that does not give anything concrete. Yes, come. But show the money so that we know about your solvency. And the return ticket, too. So that we here, in Europe, are sure that you are not here, we will not linger. Just in case.

    Formally, but in fact you show your passport and you are in the EU without any problems. And this is the main thing for those who want to live and work there. Yes, there is no right to work, but for seasonal work during the 3 months, please. in addition, you have the right to conclude a contract for work or study. Then in general you can stay there and get a residence permit. So there are many pluses for youth.
    In the meantime, we are waiting for statements by European politicians, our liberals, American commentators about the need to pay for the "Ukrainian banquet" with Russian rubles. Western humanism for Russian money! Russians are compassionate
    -
    Thinking that this time compassion should not be shown.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 April 13 2016 06: 52
      +40
      http://topwar.ru/user/Aleksander/
      Yes, there is no right to work, but for seasonal work for 3 months, please

      And for the sake of this, it was worth ruining your country and starting a civil war?
      in addition, you have the right to conclude a contract for work

      Don't you think that you contradict your words (see the previous sentence)?
      Although, maybe they will conclude this very contract for this very work.
      1. Berber
        Berber April 13 2016 08: 41
        +6
        Shame on every self-respecting nation.
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 13 2016 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Don't you think that you contradict your words (see the previous sentence)?


        Not quite correctly put it, there is no official RIGHT to work, but there is the OPPORTUNITY to conclude a contract if you are interested in the employer. So in reality. If you, already in the EU, have managed to conclude a contract for work or study, you can stay and legitimize your stay in the country over time. For some, it turns out.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 April 13 2016 17: 48
          +5
          Key phrase - Some ........... !!!!!!
          And it was worth because of some to ruin the country ??????
          By the way, probably a pedro chekoladny with a canopy in the ass consider themselves to be some, tk. They multiplied their "loot". I don't know about the pedra, but Senya legalized his stay in Canada, although it may seem ...
    2. varov14
      varov14 April 13 2016 07: 50
      +1
      What good is it for the authorities when the desires of the people become as primitive as seasonal, auxiliary work in a foreign country, or new jobs, no social obligations, no medical care and no money come to the country - usually they don’t leave their relatives. There is no need to fight for such a power, a lack of responsibilities with the obvious benefit of oneself. They lead us to this, only they compress the spring harder, so that when they spread it all over the world they would scatter right away. Now the advanced ones are scattering, and then all at once, like the Arabs now, well, they can slightly make them fight among themselves in order to speed up the process.
      1. flay
        flay April 13 2016 11: 14
        +1
        Quote: varov14
        What good is it for the authorities when the desires of the people become as primitive as seasonal, auxiliary work in a foreign country, or new jobs, no social obligations, no medical care and no money come to the country - usually they don’t leave their relatives. There is no need to fight for such a power, a lack of responsibilities with the obvious benefit of oneself. They lead us to this, only they compress the spring harder, so that when they spread it all over the world they would scatter right away. Now the advanced ones are scattering, and then all at once, like the Arabs now, well, they can slightly make them fight among themselves in order to speed up the process.


        And you ? Why are you still here? Have you been promoted or something? wink
    3. rus-5819
      rus-5819 April 13 2016 10: 37
      +4
      for seasonal work for 3 months, please. in addition, you have the right to conclude a contract for work or study. Then in general you can stay there and get a residence permit. So there are many pluses for youth.

      A kind of construction team is obtained. And why not youth in their native country do some work, so to speak "for the good"
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 13 2016 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: rus-5819
        Why don't young people work in their native country, so to speak "for the good"

        Because in Europe there are more salaries
        1. reservist
          reservist April 13 2016 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Because in Europe there are more salaries

          there are really more salaries there, but the cost of a normal life, too ...
        2. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian April 14 2016 09: 20
          0
          But the cost of living is many times more expensive. And by the way, everyone's salaries are different: there are also 800 euros per month.
    4. reservist
      reservist April 13 2016 18: 35
      +9
      Quote: Aleksander
      you have the right to conclude a contract for work or study

      I won't tell you about studying for the whole of Europe, but in Germany, in order to obtain a student visa, you need to put about 8 thousand euros on a "blocked" account in a German bank for a year ...
      cheat (put, make an extract and then remove) will not work, because money can be spent from such a bank account only on a monthly basis

      Now the question is - who in Ukraine can "raise" such an amount annually?

      Then in general you can stay there and get a residence permit.

      a student visa is granted / extended for a year and does not imply a residence permit in itself

      So there are many pluses for youth.

      Well, if young people have the money ... then of course yes, especially since you do not need to pay 35 euros for a visa at the embassy ...

      In fairness, I note that for Russia, 8 euros a year is sooooo decent money, but if we recall the domestic prices of the ruble and the hryvnia ...
  4. Obstructia
    Obstructia April 13 2016 06: 42
    +15
    This banderostan after the war has already been restored. Sorry for the money and the strength of the people who worked there. It would be better to develop the central regions of the country.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 April 13 2016 07: 05
      +8
      Quote: Obstructia
      This banderostan after the war has already been restored. Sorry for the money and the strength of the people who worked there. It would be better to develop the central regions of the country.

      After the war, it was not "this banderostan" that was restored, but the Ukrainian SSR.
      And in the USSR, the territories were restored and developed, relying not on national policy, but on economic feasibility.

      For example, the famous "Ukrainian" GTS worked until the 1970s in the direction from west to east, relying on gas fields in the west and east of Ukraine (depleted fields in the west are now used as underground storage facilities). The industry of Ukraine also relied on these deposits.

      And EMNIP started developing deposits in Siberia since the 1975 of the year, at the same time gas exports began to the west.
      1. Stena
        Stena April 13 2016 11: 37
        +8
        Quote: Mik13
        And in the USSR, the territories were restored and developed, relying not on national policy, but on economic feasibility.

        Very controversial statement! Economics is a continuation of politics. Well, what was the economic feasibility in transferring Antonov Design Bureau to the Ukrainian USSR? What is the economic feasibility of forming the Ukrainian USSR? There are many questions. And they are not directly connected with the economy.
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 April 13 2016 12: 13
          -1
          Quote: Stena
          Very controversial statement! Economics is a continuation of politics.

          On the contrary - Politics is the most concentrated expression of the economy (c) Lenin V.I.

          Quote: Stena
          What is the economic feasibility of forming the Ukrainian USSR?
          That same Lenin V.I. question and need to ask. I suspect that since the economy of the former RI in 1918 existed rather conditionally, the decision was still political.

          Quote: Stena
          Well, what was the economic feasibility in transferring Antonov Design Bureau to the Ukrainian USSR?
          And with this - to Khrushchev. Assume - I can. I would highlight such factors:
          1. The presence in Kiev of an aviation institute (with 1933) is very convenient for training personnel.
          2. The presence in Kiev of an aircraft factory (with 1920!) And a factory design bureau with it.
          3. The presence in Kiev of a large number of technical universities and vocational schools (again, the personnel issue for both design bureaus and production).
          4. The South-East of the Ukrainian SSR at that time was a region with a high population density, developed transport infrastructure and had no problems with the energy sector (Kiev received gas from the Dashava-Kiev gas pipeline.

          This is so, very approximate. It is possible that Khrushchev had other considerations.
          1. Stena
            Stena April 13 2016 12: 23
            +2
            Quote: Mik13
            On the contrary - Politics is the most concentrated expression of the economy (c) Lenin V.I.

            These concepts are highly interconnected. In fact, politics is the definition of strategy. Then they try to conduct economic calculations. Or maybe - on the contrary - first calculations, and then - politics.
            I focused on the fact that when making decisions (and especially strategic ones), first of all, there is politics, and only then - the economy. And then the economy is not monetary, but resource ... Therefore, economic feasibility is usually adjusted to the appropriate political decision ...
            And with the rest of your justifications - I agree.
            The Ukrainian USSR is purely politics.
            The transfer of Antonov Design Bureau is also a policy (the facade of the USSR in front of Europe) should be highly developed. And resource provision is the second (albeit a very important component) ...
            I can cite a large number of such examples of interaction between the USSR and the Ukrainian USSR.
    2. 97110
      97110 April 13 2016 09: 46
      +4
      Quote: Obstructia
      This banderostan after the war has already been restored. Sorry for the money and the strength of the people who worked there. It would be better to develop the central regions of the country.

      That is, again, the bloody tyrant Stalin is to blame. But Nikita the miracle worker, the Bear-labeled, EBN and the whole of Hohland have nothing to do with it? Dear, your dislike of bosses at work cannot be so huge as to completely turn off your brains. Make an effort, answer yourself - to whom did you address your post? Who should have developed? Whose money and energy are you so sorry for? Have you noticed that the country is no longer there, which was rebuilding? They stole it, they stole it from us. And you did not notice?
  5. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 13 2016 06: 49
    +11
    The plan was originally designed to ensure that having muddied ukromaydan to destroy Ukraine and force Russia to pay for it by spending it on their forces and means. Actually, the plan is still in effect ... Now the question is, if there were Canada in the place of Ukraine, and if the USA organized the ukromaydan in the place of Russia, something similar happened in Canada, would the Americans help Canada? The answer is clear - no, that's first. Secondly, and this is the main thing, Russia would never have engaged in such things and never did, because the Russians are humanists. Conclusion: Humanism is never free, we will continue to pay, because we cannot be different.
  6. Nymp
    Nymp April 13 2016 06: 56
    +19
    It turns out that at our expense they spat in our souls, and we have to pay for this "service"! Will the mug crack?
  7. energy701
    energy701 April 13 2016 07: 00
    +3
    Almost agree with all positions ..... but! Why is the head of the CEC of the DPR Roman Lyagin being removed ??? !!!!!
    But he is an implacable, ideological opponent of the Kiev junta !!!!
    Well, isn’t it timed to the elections ??? Perhaps someone has more or less reliable information about what happened with Lyagin ???
  8. parusnik
    parusnik April 13 2016 07: 11
    +15
    And today, from various places in Europe and America, we are increasingly hearing that Russians, based on the idea of ​​humanism, should help Ukraine build an independent and strong state... The Southwestern Federal District as part of Russia yes .. An independent state no .. Enough, already threw good into the water, did not return good ..
    1. Nicola Bari
      Nicola Bari April 13 2016 07: 31
      +8
      I agree, the South Federal District - it sounds beautiful, but can it work out like before with Galicia?

      There must first be a de-banderization program, when the locals themselves (under the strict guidance, it is quite possible that the national guard thought for such a prospect) will clean their house from stubborn Nazis, and they will clean it up with a twinkle and joy, because for a good meal many will be ready for the human order.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 13 2016 08: 06
      +9
      Quote: parusnik
      Federal District in Russia yes.

      Alexei, I’m begging you, but not federal. Enough and regional significance for them (albeit a large area, divided into regions), in the worst case, regional. Do not deserve a federation.
    3. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 13 2016 08: 58
      +19
      Quote: parusnik
      Southwestern Federal District as part of Russia yes ..There is no independent state ..Enough, they have already thrown good into the water, haven’t returned good ..

      I beg you ... what is the composition of Russia? Okay, economic recovery, and who will redo the lacking consciousness of former citizens of Ukraine? If refugees from Ukraine made demands, the inhabitants of Russia did not dream of such! And here, as part of Russia, this will begin ... And all the same officials will be in the same places .... !!! Russia has its own problems above the roof! Let’s take a look at the Crimea - what is it worth remaking the mentality of embezzlement and bureaucracy (Russia did not even dream of such a corruption)! And in Crimea, a full 96% loyalty of Russia !! And here you want with a large percentage of people in one country? - I'm against.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 April 13 2016 11: 23
        +2
        Quote: gray smeet
        If refugees from Ukraine made demands, the inhabitants of Russia did not dream of such!

        And how many citizens of Ukraine received refugee status in Russia, you know?
        And then I often hear about requirements, and when it comes to specific numbers - something somehow the discussion becomes somewhat ambiguous ...
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          1. Mik13
            Mik13 April 13 2016 15: 55
            -4
            Quote: black
            Do you know?

            As of February 2015, there are 250 people. proof: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2015/03/17/1378475.html
            according to Larisa Shessler - for 2014-2015 of the year, only 400 citizens of Ukraine received refugee status in the Russian Federation.
            Quote: black


            And how many silently tried to get refugee status, not being such?
            Tell me. With proofs, preferably.

            Quote: black
            For two decades of true independence, a nation of ideological parasites has formed in Ukraine. And this is not being treated.

            MODERATORS!
            This creature with this expression I have been observing for several times. Do you care about the administration?
            Just say so - "VO is now becoming a Russian version of censor.net, and the site rules do not apply to Ukrainians, we are just actively participating in inciting ethnic hatred."
            1. black
              black April 13 2016 18: 33
              +7
              Wow, I was taken away for quotes! So it is not far from the Pulitzer Prize. It is reliably known that 600 immigrants from Ukraine agreed to accept Russian citizenship. Until now, there are about 000 refugees from Ukraine in the TAP. How many are denied? I will meet with competent persons - I will clarify. Only in our Kuban region, officially, 3000 people from Ukraine are employed. In fact, there are many times more of them. Now, with regard to my statement that "Ukrainians are a nation of ideological parasites." This is my wording and it falls under the copyright regulation. Keep in mind. I have suffered my opinion for five months of fighting in the Donbas. And not theoretically, but practically. And to any of my statements, I can cite not theoretical, but practical examples. With time, place and circumstances. Here's what's interesting to me. Why are you complaining to the moderators? Complain immediately to Strasbourg, to the human rights court. There was already one complaint against me. And finally. The creature that answers you retired at the age of 15 and is equated by its state, in its rights, with the invalids of the Great Patriotic War.
              1. Stena
                Stena April 13 2016 22: 19
                0
                Quote: black
                That's what is interesting to me. Why are you complaining to the moderators? Complain immediately to Strasbourg, to the Human Rights Court. There was already one complaint against me. Well, lastly. The creature that answers you retired at the age of 33 and is equated by its state, in its rights, to the invalids of the Great Patriotic War.

                The attitude to anyone on the part of Mik13, who told the truth about Ukrainians - "beat your own, so that strangers are afraid!" To make Ukrainians normal Russians and attract them to our side. Maybe it is somewhere and fair, but only there is no idea that if you do not value yours, then strangers will not become your relatives ...
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  9. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 13 2016 07: 24
    -1
    Reforms that cost so much money from the pockets of European taxpayers

    can I learn more about the connection between taxpayer pockets and IMF loans?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 13 2016 10: 32
      +5
      Easy...
      Where does the IMF come from dampness?
      In addition to indirect financing, there is a direct one from the EU.
      In addition, there is financial assistance and lending from selected European countries. In particular, Germany and France.
      All from the pockets of European taxpayers.
  10. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari April 13 2016 07: 25
    +9
    Russians, based on the idea of ​​humanism, should help


    I especially like - should. This is an "empire of evil", an aggressor ruthlessly rushing through Ukraine, must help. Something does not grow together here.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 13 2016 10: 02
      +6
      Quote: Nicola Bari
      I especially like - should. This is an "empire of evil", an aggressor ruthlessly rushing through Ukraine, must help. Something does not grow together here.

      Everything grows together. This is the twisted logic of the West. Humanists (the West) must destroy, and the aggressor (Russia) must help and restore the destruction of the great humanists.
  11. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 13 2016 07: 26
    +30
    1) Compare the state of the Ukrainian economy to the Maidan and now. At least a public debt.
    2) We conclude that the post-Maidan transformations are destructive.
    3) We recall who contributed to the junta's coming to power. On the Maidan, Carrie, Dalia, Kaczynski, as well as a number of rich Pinocchio-type crying Khodorkovsky, were noted. With Yanukovych, who signed the agreement, which was neglected in two days?
    4) We conclude that those who organized it should pay for the Ukrainian banquet.
    5) It’s time to answer for their actions: the USA, the EU, the oligarchs, let them pay.
    There are also Western media broadcasting about the democratic nature of the execution of Donbass - let them raise money for restoration.
    And Russia will no longer occupy the Ruin. When the regions destroyed by the war were restored by the whole country, many all-Union construction projects, and how much money did the USSR need to invest in this construction? Who gave this money? At the expense of whom did the western regions destroyed by the war be raised? How hard the rest of the country was. If this is an occupation, then do not wait for the second. Help fascists, Bandera, killers, for no reason.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 April 13 2016 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: olimpiada15
      It’s time to answer for their actions: the USA, the EU, the oligarchs, let them pay.
      There are also Western media broadcasting about the democratic nature of the execution of Donbass - let them raise money for restoration.

      How do you make them? We must, we must, that’s what we understand, but they won’t do anything, they will only continue to yell at Russia.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 13 2016 10: 11
      +6
      Quote: olimpiada15
      But how much money did the USSR need to invest in this construction site? Who gave this money?

      This money was given by the USSR.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      At the expense of whom did the western regions destroyed by the war be raised?

      At the expense of the USSR. Who restored his own destroyed territory, and not separately taken by Western Ukraine. Now, this question does not arise. Ukraine is not the territory of Russia. Who destroyed it, let it be restored. Everything is fair.
  12. VeterS
    VeterS April 13 2016 07: 37
    +38
    Oh god What is happening now in the minds of simple Ukrainians. How much malice and confusion. By the way, bestial hatred for us, "mos * ka * lam" from these simple losers, Europeans, is directly proportional to the fall in their standard of living. And here, as they didn’t fall into Ukrainian, or rather hochlyatsky officialdom, no propaganda can bring the degree of hatred to its present state. They sincerely, sincerely believe that Russia is OBLIGED !!! Russia is simply OBLIGED because she is guilty before them! Think about it, we, ordinary citizens of Russia, are guilty of their current voyage in their own shit!
    So the author is right, ETA Ukraine must die. To die in such a way that the horror at the genetic level of the memory of the death of the state of Ukraine would remain in the memory of descendants until the seventh knee, that the hair on the head would move! And there, as one wise man said: - "... we will see"!
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 13 2016 10: 11
      +1
      So the author is right, ETA Ukraine must die.


      Yes sho you say that? Let them live, but not at our expense. request
  13. aba
    aba April 13 2016 07: 38
    +4
    It seems to me that Ukraine will dry out for a long time - not all fat from the Soviet era has been eaten. Although in our fleeting time, anything is possible.
    1. 97110
      97110 April 13 2016 09: 56
      +2
      Quote: aba
      Ukraine will dry out for a long time

      It is drying up the pros. Looted quickly, the locals will not understand anything.
    2. ver_
      ver_ April 14 2016 07: 47
      +1
      .. there is no hurry .. there is such a term, yeah - a medical term - medical fasting - this is when first a big enema to the body, after the body does not give a damn shit, one tok-ma water and the body gets rid of different ailments independently and in the head a clarification the weight is formed and the weight decreases - the grace is so great .. Tarapunka and Plug also "promoted" this (.. the hungry feeding of the assistant professor ..)
      When the Ruin is "treated", and those who refuse "treatment" migrate to Central Europe, then the time will come to "collect stones" ..
  14. V.ic
    V.ic April 13 2016 07: 46
    0
    we are waiting for statements by European politicians, our liberals, and American commentators about the need to pay for the "Ukrainian banquet" with Russian rubles. Western humanism for Russian money! Author Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov

    And pay, no doubt ... Minus, gentlemen!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 13 2016 08: 10
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      Negative gentlemen!

      Asking, let him receive. Get ... +
      1. 97110
        97110 April 13 2016 09: 57
        +1
        Eugene, sorry, the minus turned out by mistake. Instead of a plus.
  15. erased
    erased April 13 2016 07: 56
    +20
    How much does humanism cost? It's simple. Growth of housing and communal services tariffs + increase in late fees + price increases for everything! + freezing of pension and salary indentations + hundreds of settlements where gas wasn’t spent this way + roads without repair. Few?
    The kindness and generosity of the Russian government at the expense of the Russian people.
    But simpler: the price of generosity is the life of Russians.
    Finita.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 April 13 2016 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: erased
      How much does humanism cost? It's simple. Growth of housing and communal services tariffs + increase in late fees + price increases for everything! + freezing of pension and salary indentations + hundreds of settlements where gas wasn’t spent this way + roads without repair. Few?

      No, not a little! Another plus to the rise in prices and tariffs is adding a minus to our salaries. For the month of March from my salary minus about two thousand rubles ... This is a fact. While I live and continue to believe in truth and justicewinked And where to go?
      1. 97110
        97110 April 13 2016 21: 34
        +2
        Quote: Tatar 174
        While I live and continue to believe in truth and justice

        And in the Soviet Army, at political studies, at the institute on the political economy of capitalism, on scientific communism, it was explained in detail that this is immanent (what a word!) The manifestations of its bestial nature inherent in capitalism. Since 1972, I do not believe in truth and justice in a capitalist society.
    2. 97110
      97110 April 13 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: erased
      Growth of housing and communal services tariffs + increase in late fees + price increases for everything! + freezing of pension and salary indentations + hundreds of settlements where gas wasn’t spent this way + roads without repair.
      And you will argue that if there weren’t the notorious humanism, all this would not have happened? And before 2014, never happened?
  16. Egoza
    Egoza April 13 2016 07: 56
    +9
    You know, with all that, but from the beginning of "independence", the Poles issued a "Pole's card" with all sorts of benefits, Hungarians and Romanians - passports and special passes with confirmation that this citizen is .... And only Russia has nothing invented because "no" double-triple citizenship (ha-ha for our oligarchs and officials) why did not the "Russian card" appear? Even without any benefits. She just would have "warmed my soul" But maybe then we would not have been included in the national minority? Then would you be afraid to organize all this mess? Because they know that Russians don't abandon their own people, and that would not be empty words.
    1. Riv
      Riv April 13 2016 08: 12
      +2
      So after all, a "Pole's card" is like a "Volksdeutsch-list" in the 40s. Only the Germans considered the Folksdeutsch as equals, took them to the Wehrmacht, they enjoyed all the rights of citizens of the Reich without restrictions. And for the Poles, the "Ukrainian Pole" is the same untermensch. And all the "blessings" to him - as the same crap, taken to the Reich for work.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 13 2016 08: 30
        +8
        Quote: Riv
        And for the Poles, the "Ukrainian Pole" is the same untermensch. And all the "blessings" to him - as the same crap, taken to the Reich for work.

        Well, do not tell!
        Person holding a Pole Card:
        - can get a long-term residence visa free of charge, giving the right to multiple border crossings of the Republic of Poland
        - can legally work in the territory of the Republic of Poland without the need to obtain a work permit
        - may engage in entrepreneurial activity in Poland on the same grounds as Polish citizens
        - can use the free education system in Poland at the basic, secondary and higher levels on the same principles as Polish citizens, and at the same time apply for financial assistance and scholarships intended for foreigners studying in Poland
        - can in urgent cases use the free health care system in Poland on the same basis as Polish citizens
        - can use 37-percent discount on railway travel in Poland
        - can visit state museums in Poland for free
        - has the right, as a matter of priority, to seek financial resources,
        intended to support Poles abroad, from the budget of the Polish state or from the budget of local self-government at the commune level.

        Now they have added that those who wish can apply for permanent residence, and they are required to issue a Polish passport within a year, and the amount for the arrangement.
        1. Riv
          Riv April 13 2016 11: 44
          +3
          Well, so the Ukrainian, taken to the Reich, could legally work there. Completely legal, I swear by the Pope! And they drove them there for free. And even treated ... Well, with the scholarships in the Reich, I was straining, that yes - yes. But on the other hand: they do not let you die of starvation and they do not beat every day.
          Not much has changed the world, right?
    2. atos_kin
      atos_kin April 13 2016 10: 44
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      And only Russia didn’t come up with anything,

      So after Yeltsin, nothing has changed for the Russians, and, unfortunately, does not change.
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 14 2016 09: 46
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      And only Russia did not come up with anything, tk. "no" double-triple citizenship ... why didn't the "Russian card" appear?


      It is very sad to see from the comments that it is the Russians who object to the "map of the Russian". Fuck how inspiring ...
  17. Kaban4ik
    Kaban4ik April 13 2016 07: 58
    +7
    Well written. On business. But if they want to help us and what we will pay for this help - there is already nothing to pay with. And again, in case of help, those who promise you "the distribution of funds and the restoration of everything and everything" will be the first, your rubles, will be taken to warm lands.
  18. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 April 13 2016 07: 58
    +4
    Personally, I am deeply ... about what will happen next with the non-brothers-crests!
    But I will never be surprised if the restoration of the country of 404 (God forbid of course) rests on the shoulders of the Russians.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 13 2016 09: 13
      +4
      Quote: Alexandr2637
      But I will never be surprised if the restoration of the country of 404 (God forbid of course) rests on the shoulders of the Russians.

      And so it will be. And there is nothing to be surprised. And once again they will betray (of course, when Russia will restore everything). Not the first and not the last time.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek April 13 2016 09: 44
        0
        And so it will be. And there is nothing surprising.


        Will not be. The train left.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 13 2016 11: 07
        0
        Quote: EvgNik
        (of course, when Russia will restore everything).


        And you are going to restore something, I personally do not. But there are thoughts on this.
  19. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 13 2016 08: 01
    +13

    All the louder in Europe voices sounded about the role of Russia in the restoration of Ukraine. Yes Yes! It is Russia! Once we wrote about it. “Banquet” in Ukraine was only at its beginning, and the question of who will pay for it, has already arisen. His, this question, in every possible way tried to bypass the Ukrainian, and our politicians in their comments. Everybody was talking about economic chaos, the destruction of individual industries, the decline in living standards. But about the one who will pay for it, everyone preferred to be silent together in a pillow.


    In fact, they prefer to be silent in a rag. And as soon as they start talking
    about humanism, this is a sure sign that they want to get into your pocket. Without
    your consent. At the same time they trust in your decency and still shame, they say,
    you will live, you’re used to it.
  20. Naval
    Naval April 13 2016 08: 07
    +5
    Quite a cunning plan, it was not possible to greatly weaken Russia by military actions, take the "brotherly country" and help, maybe you will overstrain, but no, then we will arrange another Maidan for you. Recently I "talked" with fellow countrymen, a young guy from Mariupol, does not speak Ukrainian, does not know literature, but an irreconcilable nationalist, such is the phenomenon, a nationalist without nationality. Therefore, more and more I begin to understand that those famous cherries, "We are not brothers," turned out to be prophetic, and to restore the Ruin, it's like feeding a wolf, it will run away into the forest anyway.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 13 2016 08: 35
      +5
      Quote: Naval
      nationalist without nationality

      I suppose that this is a new phenomenon in psychology - dream nationalism, based on the dream of visa-free entry to the EU, that they wanted to go there to work without hindrance and receive appropriate benefits, especially since the refugees before their eyes, if summarized, wanted a piece of socialism - free labor market, social security and competitive salary
  21. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 13 2016 08: 44
    +10
    When asked who would pay, the Americans replied that they saw the future of Ukraine as an agricultural country. If it is very sober to articulate Russia's interests in Ukraine, it turns out that Russia is not interested in Ukrainian industry. Since in the main areas it creates competition for Russian enterprises and still requires Russia to restore money. Russia is also interested in the agricultural future of Ukraine. Europe does not even need agricultural products of Ukraine, its heaps. So what Russia is doing right when it patiently waits for the end of the collapse of Ukraine’s industry. The lands are not going anywhere from us, and the population, the most Russophobic, will leave for Canada.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 13 2016 09: 43
      0
      it turns out that Russia is not interested in the industry of Ukraine. As in the main directions, it creates competition for Russian enterprises and still requires money for restoration from Russia. Russia is also interested in the agricultural future of Ukraine.

      Well, something like this: a dill plant is not a toy ... let it go to the fields ... and there will be less harmful thoughts in your head ... and people will be healthier ...
  22. volodya
    volodya April 13 2016 08: 44
    +7
    The article is good. But is it worth it to restore it, after the war they already did it, and the Bandera people shot before our 53rd year. My father was killed in a friend of mine in 53rd.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 13 2016 09: 40
      +6
      Quote: volodya
      The article is good. But is it worth it to restore it, after the war they already did it, and the Bandera people shot before our 53rd year. My father was killed in a friend of mine in 53rd.


      Unfortunately, only a few people who communicated with people who were in those areas where these thugs were gangsters knew about what Bandera did.
      But this was not only during the war, but still for many years after.
      At least now, when the coup took place, Russian media covered this topic.
      The people should know who the "Ukrainian patriots" worship, with the help of whom the current junta came to power. The people should understand that Echo of Moscow, covering events in Ukraine, protects the Nazis. And the West considers the fascists heroes.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 13 2016 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: volodya
      But is it worth it to restore, after the war it was already done


      Only in one single case, Ukraine is part of Russia without any conditions like Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Yakutia, etc. And only so without options. But only after a complete and comprehensive denazification and resettlement of banderlogs over the Ural Range, so that the country is not dishonored. N do not pay attention to the cries of state vassals and, if necessary, poke their muzzle into their inferiority.
      1. polkovnik manuch
        polkovnik manuch April 15 2016 22: 30
        0
        And why Banderlog "beyond the Ural ridge", they are not needed there, everyone to Galicia, "tsezh Geyropa!"
    3. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch April 15 2016 22: 28
      0
      In fact, Bandera was finished (officially according to Soviet sources) in 1959.
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  24. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 13 2016 08: 51
    +6
    LDNR needs Russian support and must receive it!
    But the rest, those who were destroying their country --- let them restore it themselves! They collected money for military uniforms, weapons, for ATO, for prostheses, for those who fought against LDNR! Now let them collect it for restoration. Let them take where they want.
    HERE in Blockade Leningrad historic buildings were protected, people who were hungry, exhausted, sheltered, camouflaged from shelling. How many fascists were dropped!
    And yet, in peacetime, Kiev brought to what! Sami! Ugh on them!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 13 2016 09: 29
      +6
      Quote: Reptiloid
      And yet, in peacetime, Kiev brought to what!

      Well, what are you Dmitry, what a peace time. They are at war with Russia, they are saving the Western world from the aggressor. In addition, the receipt of cookies from the states stopped, and even Nuland began to visit not Ukraine, but Russia. True, in Ekatirenburg crackers already presented her:
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 13 2016 10: 48
        +1
        It was they who began to fight with Russia in their heads when glitches went from burnt tires. The road surface was destroyed.
        But in Vinitsa, Poroshenko and Grosman built a drinking fountain, which is nowhere else in Europe. And they, the residents, were proud of it and respected these sponsors of the fountain. And in Europe, they spit on this fountain.
  25. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 13 2016 09: 01
    +4
    So that Ukraine does not return to the orbit of Russia, the West deliberately drives it into the economic and debt abyss.
    The West did the same with Greece.
    Russia did not pull off the debts of Greece and Greece remained in the EU.
    The goal of the West with respect to Ukraine is the same ...
  26. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 13 2016 09: 32
    -1
    The article is full of emotions, and therefore weak in terms of sober analysis.

    Voices about the role of Russia in the restoration of Ukraine sounded louder in Europe. Yes Yes! It is Russia!


    It’s just that Europeans are beginning to realize that Ukraine is a sphere of Russian control. Well, if so, it is quite logical to hang the recovery on the one who controls.

    Unfortunately, in the period after the collapse of the USSR, Russia was playing "democracy" in relation to the post-Soviet republics. Like "live as you want, just don't meddle with us." This gave Americans and Europeans a reason to think that Russia excluded Ukraine and other republics from its sphere of control. To be honest, in Ukraine itself they began to think so.

    Well, since Russia does not control such pieces, there were immediately those who wanted to control them. Well, a white man cannot let the natives control his territory. This is the "white man's burden," as Kipling put it.

    And there were "color revolutions" one after another. While these were revolutions in small or insignificant republics such as Georgia or Kyrgyzstan, Russia pretended that this did not concern her. But when on the second attempt Euromaidan burst out in Ukraine, Russia became aware of the real threat of losing a military base in Crimea and gaining a warlike Russophobic state on its border. Moreover, a state with a large number of people and a rather large military potential.

    At this point, it became clear to all the "Kremlin towers" that they needed to restore their control over the post-Soviet republics. And over these two years, Russia has managed to make it clear to the Europeans that Ukraine is Russia's sphere of control. This has not yet reached the Americans in full, and this is understandable: because of a large puddle it is not very clear, and they have lost the habit over the past quarter of a century that someone can "convincingly" object to them.

    As for Russia's participation in the reconstruction of Ukraine, however disgusting it may be for those emotional commentators and authors of the article, Russia will have to do this. The only question is: how will she do this? In the Soviet style: it will restore the country and give it to the local elite oligarchs, or it will begin to equip its own real sphere of control, as a distant frontier of defense.

    Wait and see.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 13 2016 09: 41
      +3
      As for Russia's participation in the reconstruction of Ukraine, however disgusting it may be for those emotional commentators and authors of the article, Russia will have to do this
      The only question is: how will she do it?


      No way: does Nigeria live there or Bulgaria ... Does someone "restore" them?
      But they are certainly in someone's zone of influence.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 April 13 2016 15: 38
        0
        The only question is: how will she do it?

        Russia can’t restore Ukraine in any way, but it makes no sense.
        The USSR could throw resources for restoration — everything was in the hands of the state. But the Russian Federation has nothing. Big Russian business that works in the West will climb, and how will it end? Dissatisfaction of Ukrainians that oaths rob them. Will the army have to fight for the pro-American interests of Russian pickpockets? Grab the last resources and give it to the Ukrainian oligarchs, who will all rake and point to the Russian Federation as a robber? You should not expect anything else from them. No exit.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty April 13 2016 18: 07
          +3
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Russia can’t restore Ukraine in any way, but it makes no sense.

          Quote: Olezhek
          No way: does Nigeria live there or Bulgaria ... Does someone "restore" them?

          Well, you compared Ukraine to ... Ukraine before this still roll and roll.

          You inattentively read what you then try to object.
          I wrote not about the fact that Russia will restore Ukraine, but about the fact that Russia will "take part" in this restoration. This is a big difference in both cost and responsibility.
          And the fact that "there is no sense at all," I wrote reasonably that there is a sense: "to equip a real own sphere of control as a distant line of defense. You wrote without any arguments that it makes no sense. Do you like meeting enemies on your border? Do you like crowds of refugees and shells flying into your territory?

          The United States nearly staged a nuclear war when the USSR decided to put its missiles in Cuba! Here's how to react to the approach of the enemy to their borders! Only to approach !!! An attack on the borders was out of the question.
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  27. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg April 13 2016 09: 32
    +3
    Let the EU and the USA carry this suitcase without a handle. And LDN will help to restore. Yes, there are working people. They will do everything themselves, you just need to give them peace and perspective.
  28. Olezhek
    Olezhek April 13 2016 09: 39
    0
    You heard louder voices in Europe about Russia's role in the reconstruction of Ukraine. Yes Yes! It is Russia!


    No, why not discuss ...
    BUT Ukraine first undertakes to restore ALL demolished monuments to Lenin ... as they were - in its original form.
    We will arrive - we will check authenticity.
    Then we talk.
  29. Siberia
    Siberia April 13 2016 09: 41
    +4
    What nafig Ukraine to restore-Russia itself in ruins! First of all, it is necessary to restore your country!
    1. askort154
      askort154 April 13 2016 10: 36
      +4
      Siberia....What nafig Ukraine to restore-Russia itself in ruins!

      Russia has never been in ruins. In the ruins was Stalingrad.

      First of all, it is necessary to restore your country!

      With this, I agree.
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 13 2016 10: 11
    +4
    And how Europeans represent our assistance to the state, which everywhere says that we are the aggressor,
    that it is fighting with us and holding us back from an attack on Europe?
    And then, this state owes us, it does not ask, but demands dirty tricks, dirty tricks ...
    No, she died, she died ...
  31. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K April 13 2016 10: 21
    +2
    To rebuild on the basis of what, when the worldwide Chinese factory filled everyone and everything with goods. We would have survived by ourselves. Who needs Ukrainian production? What can they offer? And only stupid adult children can blow bubbles about humanism. Ukraine is awaiting fragmentation and subsequent "shaking". After that we will see who to help, and not at a loss to ourselves.
  32. shcishcok
    shcishcok April 13 2016 10: 26
    +3
    no really! let yourself, yourself! so much dirt over these two years was poured on our country by the "non-brotherly" people - horror! and how much more will pour out - nothing is over there yet, everything is still going on. And enough babysitting with everyone! adults already. Nobody supported Russia when, after the collapse, it paid off the debts of the union republics, and all the neat republics began their new path! between our feelings for the "non-brotherly" people there is the blood of the children of Donbass, the blood of the victims of the House of Trade Unions, the humiliated old people.
  33. Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 13 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    You know, with all that, but from the beginning of "independence", the Poles issued a "Pole's card" with all sorts of benefits, Hungarians and Romanians - passports and special passes with confirmation that this citizen is .... And only Russia has nothing came up with,

    The idea is very interesting. I don’t know, probably nobody thought about it. It would be interesting to ask the president this question. what
  34. atamankko
    atamankko April 13 2016 10: 40
    +2
    Those who had a head on their shoulders fought and continue to fight for their homeland,
    and freeloaders are waiting for someone to lie under, and you don’t need to talk about humanism,
    need to talk about the betrayal of Ukrainians.
  35. alicante11
    alicante11 April 13 2016 10: 59
    +3
    What is the help for Ukraine? I am begging you. Our oligarchs did not accept Donbass to Russia, so they feed them with "convoys" and gas. And they there in the West want them to load the whole of Ukraine on "their" budget? I am afraid that the VVP government has learned the lessons of its "Western partners" very well. It was the USSR that could restore after the war the economies of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary - allies of the Reich. Because the USSR was Russia. And the current Russian Federation counts money.
    But in general, this approach is also interesting to me. Help build an "independent" state. From which side do you have to move? If they are "independent", then let them flounder themselves. Now, if they returned as "prodigal sons" - I would accept and help. It is clear that "to teach with rods", so to speak, for the future. But the oligarchs and the Russian government will not lift a finger even in this case. Because they are capitalists.
  36. Same lech
    Same lech April 13 2016 11: 02
    0
    I was pleased with Roman and Alexander in this article ...
    thoughts are in tune with mine ... I agree with almost all the arguments presented in the article.
  37. Pygmy
    Pygmy April 13 2016 11: 21
    +2
    No one at this stage will be invested in Ukraine. Europe is not profitable because there is a meager chance that the money will return. Russia is not profitable because she is considered an enemy! America was not going to invest in restoration, its main task was to create a hotbed of instability. Yugoslavia is an example, the trouble is that the former parts of Yugoslavia were drawn into the EU and the intensity of aggression subsided. The EU seems to have agreed on refugees with Turkey .... But the USA, a strong Europe is not profitable, then it can become independent.
  38. Lelek
    Lelek April 13 2016 11: 57
    +2
    (I won’t vote for help to Ukraine in building the state. And I won’t forget what dill was done in the Donbass. You have to pay for everything. Remember how the foreman taught you how to observe military discipline? Doesn’t reach through your head - will reach through your legs. And it did. Even for the most stupid and stubborn.)

    In general, the article is correct, but the forecast that the "nationalists" WILL REACH is pure naivete. It did not come, starting from 1941 to the present day (4 generations of Ukronazis, the 5th is growing up). And they keep the upper hand in this unfinished business, destroy their citizens who do not agree with their orders without regret. Today and every day before that killed and maimed in the SE for "just like that", for drunken fun, to justify the salary, so that the chiefs reported to the overseas conductor that his instructions were fulfilled and it is time to pay.
    (cry.)
  39. mav1971
    mav1971 April 13 2016 12: 18
    +11
    Totally disagree.
    Enough of tolerance, self-deception and the breadth of the soul, and other forgive the Lord for tolerance.
    The history, many thousands of years old, shows that kindness and tolerance leads "to the terpils", in a clear definition of the guilty person and, as a result, is punished by the destruction of an ethnic group that has shown its kindness.

    Not a penny to restore Ukraine.

    For everything we do there (give money, give orders, make purchases, restore) WILL BE perceived:
    1. The recognition of our guilt is that it was the Americans and Ukrainians who did it.
    2. Recognition of OUR participation as one of the parties to the conflict (and not civil war).
    3. The recognition of OUR weakness is that it was Ukraine that forced us to take these steps (albeit jointly with the Euro \ USA but Ukraine).
    4. Recognition of OUR investments as REPARATIONS, we will be the loser in the eyes of any Ukrainian. Ukraine has conquered Russia.

    Ukrainian - will feel like a WINNER for many tens and maybe hundreds of years.
    This is a very strong passionary factor.


    Whether you like it or not, all the successes of our astronautics, science, "virgin lands", the restoration of the country from the ashes (and other state tasks) - come from May 2 (9), 1945 !!!

    That's when WE became WINNERS.

    Our grandfathers (who are 90 years old), our fathers (who are 60-70 years old), ourselves (40-50 years old), our children who (20-30 years old) - we all carry the mood and strength of the winners.
    We know that we have already won and we too can win.
    Thanks to our propaganda, lifestyle, etc.

    Why give such a strong trump card to those who did nothing and only destroyed?
    Why make the winner of the one who lost?

    Look at the Germans - they are so broken by the idea of ​​guilt driven into them that they’ve driven in, so that after 30-40 years no Germans will remain !!!

    Do you want the same for Russia?

    Alexander!
    Novel!

    Stop being kind at the expense of a whole nation and a whole country!
    Look to the future! Do not forget to look in the story.
    Especially giving bad advice.

    Put a minus article.
    Sorry!
    For narrow views, denial of history and facts!
  40. Eustace
    Eustace April 13 2016 12: 44
    +6
    The Ukrainians independently ruined their state, hoping for free Western money. They cut off from themselves a part of the history shared with Russia. And now we have to help them? Open your eyes, except for pensioners, nobody will take our help correctly. A whole generation has grown up, the second has already appeared, which with every fiber of their souls hate us and our country. They turned into our "non-friends". They are sincerely happy about all our problems, the deaths of our officers in Syria and the plane crashes with our citizens. Finally open your eyes! There are practically no our allies in Ukraine.
    So why the hell are we supposed to help them ??? "Do not spit in the well, it will come in handy, get drunk water" - this is not what I said, this is folk wisdom.
  41. karakuin
    karakuin April 13 2016 13: 11
    +5
    I dug up a hole - I bought mittens, dug up a big hole - I bought a car, etc. The main thing is not like in the USSR. No one could understand why the Far East supplying 80 percent of the fish for the country, and even more than that, had less salaries than the Ukrainians. And now everything is exactly the same. In Maaskwe, 50 thousand are not money. In the Far East, a specialist with 25 years of experience - 27 thousand. And half of the Russian-speaking indigenous population remained. This is apparently the very accelerating development of the Far East - to feed someone at the expense of those who still manage to survive in conditions of state economic genocide. And the fact that at the expense of our children and grandchildren will appease Bander is difficult to doubt in the absence of positive examples.
  42. koralvit
    koralvit April 13 2016 13: 12
    +2
    The one who destroyed or contributed to this should restore. So that in the future it would not be pulled to destroy something. The horses from the Maidan should be restored, this is unequivocal, and Nuland will bring the funds, brought the cookies.
  43. Demeter
    Demeter April 13 2016 13: 17
    +4
    Humanism towards foreigners, to the detriment of the population of Russia, is not humanism, it is treason, and abroad these humanists are considered fools
  44. kig
    kig April 13 2016 15: 37
    0
    It is likely that the money will still go to Ukraine, but in exchange for the very special status of Donbass.
  45. trantor
    trantor April 13 2016 16: 02
    +1
    And the poor on the porch are treated with compassion. Not with respect, but with compassion.

    I would not compare them with the poor - they are not so aggressive and do not bite the hand of the giver. These behave like drunken crippled gopniks. There is no compassion at all - sheer perplexity.
  46. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 April 13 2016 16: 10
    +1
    And today, from different places in Europe and America, we increasingly hear that the Russians, based on the idea of ​​humanism, should help Ukraine to build an independent and strong state. Humanism as the greatest value of humanity ...

    Well, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! At the moment, Ukraine with its Russophobia and Bandera, with the screeching "Salo dropped" is nothing more than a cancerous tumor. 150 years must pass to change the consciousness of more than one generation of Ukrainians !!! , who has "Ukraine for a mustache!" True, the problem is that they will produce their own kind ... There is only one way out - "Stalin's". To speed up the process of changing the way of thinking, this tumor must be cut out. It's sad, but true. ..
    Professor Preobrazhensky said: "What is this ruin of yours? An old woman with a stick? The witch who knocked out all the windows, extinguished all the lamps? Yes, she does not exist at all. What do you mean by this word? [...] This is what: if I, instead of operating every evening, I’ll start singing in chorus in my apartment, I’ll be in ruin. devastation will begin. Consequently, devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads. when these baritones shout “beat devastation!” - I am laughing. [...] I swear to you, it’s funny to me! This means that each of them must hit his neck! And so, when he hatches out all sorts of hallucinations and engages in cleaning his sheds - his direct business - the devastation will disappear by itself. Two gods cannot be served! It is impossible at one time to sweep the tram tracks and arrange the fate of some Spanish ragged men! Nobody succeeds, doctor, and even more so - people who, generally lagging behind in development from the Europeans by 200 years, are still not quite confident in buttoning up their own pants! "
  47. iouris
    iouris April 13 2016 17: 20
    -3
    Ukraine is a part of Russia. The reunification of this part of Russia with the Russian Federation is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for Russia's self-preservation. Of course, with an oligarchic approach to property relations it is impossible to solve this problem.
  48. Arkan
    Arkan April 13 2016 18: 06
    +2
    One killed child is not worth all the ideas of the world.


    That's right! Banderlog for pasture.
  49. pacific
    pacific April 13 2016 18: 43
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    .... some began to consider themselves Russian, and young people from ....

    A reservation is straightforward according to Freud: "some","steel".
    And who did they consider themselves to be before? This is something like a seasonal shedding: "the old wool is falling off me, but the new one grows thick and silky (c)".
    Interestingly, "some" Germans in 1945 who began to consider themselves? French, Danes or Walloons?
  50. proud
    proud April 13 2016 18: 58
    0
    How many wolves do not feed, but he will still look into the forest! Let the United States muddied this booze now and dissolve it, otherwise the Ukrainians themselves have plundered everything, destroyed the economy and you Russians now feed them, sing, and restore everything at your own expense! The funny thing is, when they restore everything, they again pour mud on them and flee to Europe and the USA, dumbly cursing the yak-Enough! We wanted to go to Europe!