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The protective grille did not help: a cumulative RPG-26 grenade broke through an armored car through (video)

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The journalists of the Zvezda channel filmed an RPG-26 grenade launcher video test to show how a cumulative grenade operates when it hits a protective grid installed on an armored vehicle, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




The developer of the grenade launcher Pavel Sidorov attended the test. The transporter MT-LB became the tested armored vehicle.

“As expected, the lattice screen did not completely save the car’s side from the cumulative projectile. He broke through the screen, and the cumulative jet burned through the car, coming out from the back side, ”- says the newspaper.

The publication notes that “in the experiment, far from being the most powerful and modern grenade launcher was used, however, even this was enough for such a result”.



The debate about the usefulness (uselessness) of protective screens has been going on for a long time. But with a new force, they broke out after ka from Syria began to come photographic materials depicting various armored vehicles, "protected" by similar structures.
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http://npoaeg.ru
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  1. Velizariy
    Velizariy April 12 2016 13: 56
    +41
    Why burns through? !!! The cumulative jet is PUNCHING !!!
    1. PROSTEEL
      PROSTEEL April 12 2016 14: 02
      +20
      Because we have such specialists ... Couch))
      Of course breaks through.
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut April 12 2016 14: 08
        +30
        в the experiment used far from the most powerful and modern grenade launcher,

        So, even the most lightly armored specimen was chosen as a target.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 15
          +24
          the lightest armored sample selected.

          This sample from a heavy machine gun is stitched through. The cumulative jet of this obstacle did not even notice, you just have to compare the diameters of the inlet and outlet - almost the same, no scattering, etc.
          But the lattice was tested, and it does not stand up to criticism at all.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 12 2016 14: 40
            +4
            And that characteristicly no distance did not prevent her from reaching the opposite side.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ April 12 2016 17: 30
              -1
              The bad news
              http://www.interfax.ru/world/503263
              Confirmation follows.

              According to the Mi-28N, it was not shot down.
          2. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot April 12 2016 22: 39
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            the lightest armored sample selected.

            This sample from a heavy machine gun is stitched through. The cumulative jet of this obstacle did not even notice, you just have to compare the diameters of the inlet and outlet - almost the same, no scattering, etc.
            But the lattice was tested, and it does not stand up to criticism at all.


            This is a fully propaganda program. A lot of mistakes and the text of the presenter is adjusted to the picture. I looked a couple of times, then I didn’t ... It's disgusting ...
        2. Koshak
          Koshak April 12 2016 14: 21
          +13
          Quote: Mahmut
          в the experiment used far from the most powerful and modern grenade launcher,

          So, even the most lightly armored specimen was chosen as a target.

          The question was not whether it will break through or not break through the armor, but whether the lattice will save.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas April 12 2016 14: 43
            +27
            Quote: Koshak
            The question was not whether it will break through or not break through the armor, but whether the lattice will save

            Well, the lattice was, let's say, not so hot. laughing , just like yesterday's "two-meter" wall.
            1. PAM
              PAM April 12 2016 16: 20
              +17
              Well, the lattice was, let's say, not so hot. laughing

              so directly and say how dill homemade
              The question was not whether it will break through or not break through the armor, but whether the lattice will save.
              a full-fledged grille (according to the statistics of use by the coalition in Afghanistan) "saved" over 40% (if we take into account that they did it under a known threat - to protect against Soviet RPG7) destroys a grenade without detonation or a cumulative funnel, detonates a grenade at a distance from the body with a possible by changing the direction of the shock stream, or at least reducing the likelihood of breaking light armored vehicles with the subsequent inflow of the shock wave.
              And the fact that they got stuck and showed full pornography is even a little embarrassing for our military, which makes it possible to shoot and make such programs to journalists who did not even serve in the army
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad April 12 2016 21: 08
                +2
                You did not notice one nuance! The lattice did not prevent the charge from detonating, and modern cumulative grenades are equipped with a metal lining of the funnel, so that a small increase in the distance to the armor not only does not interfere, but even improves the damaging effect! Example: shown on the same site in VO, cassette carriers and armor-piercing, intelligent blocks that hit armored vehicles from a distance of one hundred - fifty meters, as well as anti-aircraft mines.
            2. 111.
              111. April 12 2016 17: 58
              +6
              yeah)) also the first thing the grille caught my eye ... on my old gas stove, the grill and then more solid))
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit April 12 2016 20: 04
                0
                Well, yes, they would have made a papier-mâché lattice and fired at cardboard boxes.
            3. Lexa-149
              Lexa-149 April 13 2016 10: 44
              0
              They would have pulled the mosquito net!))))
          2. alexmach
            alexmach April 12 2016 22: 24
            +3
            The question was not whether it will break through or not break through the armor, but whether the lattice will save.


            so the lattice itself does not save, only if there is sufficient thickness of armor behind it ... according to legend
        3. Berg berg
          Berg berg April 12 2016 14: 26
          +4
          And they shot the weakest!
        4. tchoni
          tchoni April 12 2016 14: 44
          +19
          I will say more: the lattice is not chosen the most correct .. The lattice should consist of cutting blades of not the mildest steel, as it were .. Able to deform the grenade body (horizontal metal stripes)
          I also add that the lattice nevertheless saved it from the main damage in the form of a breach in the armor. If there was a landing in the car, then there would be one or two dead (those who were unlucky to get in the way of the cumulative jet) and a little lightly injured with metal splashes and splinters ... If they were lucky, they would have cost lightly wounded. And if the landing was at least in light armored overalls or winter hb, then there wouldn’t be such ones (curtsy towards the runik).
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 12 2016 16: 12
            +10
            Quote: tchoni
            I will say more: the lattice is not chosen the most correct .. The lattice should consist of cutting blades of not the mildest steel, as it were .. Able to deform the grenade body (horizontal metal stripes)

            the problem is that against the RPG-26 grenade, even a normal cutting grate would not work. Because, unlike the grenades for RPG-7, the RPG-26 grenade has 2 fuses. An additional inertial fuse is just designed for all sorts of gratings, tearing a piezoezbite fuse chain or deforming a cone.

            So the destruction of the grenade with RPG-26 does not work. All that remains is a premature detonation with a decrease in armor penetration. But for this, the grill should be carried much further from the side + the thickness of the main armor should be higher (to feel the effect). A submitted for testing multi-purpose tractor for easy booking even the "pencil" will pierce. smile
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 12 2016 19: 07
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              the problem is that against the RPG-26 grenade, even a normal cutting grate would not work.

              It is difficult to break through something when half of the cumulative funnel is absent.
              After all, grilles are exactly for this purpose
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA April 13 2016 11: 02
                0
                Quote: Spade
                It is difficult to break through something when half of the cumulative funnel is absent.
                After all, grilles are exactly for this purpose

                When half of the cumulative funnel is gone - This is some very braking inertial fuse. smile In RPG-26, after hitting an obstacle, a grenade manages to pass no more than 10 cm before undermining.
        5. sir_obs
          sir_obs April 12 2016 15: 00
          +2
          The question is whether the lattice will help, it did not help. Would be more armored, would not have pierced through
        6. Mercenary
          Mercenary April 12 2016 15: 03
          +2
          And that the Koklis have something abrupt than the samples of the 80s?
        7. evgenii67
          evgenii67 April 12 2016 15: 39
          +10
          Quote: Mahmut
          So, even the most lightly armored specimen was chosen as a target.

          I agree. they would have another experiment at UAZ set. We would take a sheet of homogeneous steel, say a meter wide, grind it with this RPG, look, yeah break through 900mm (I conditionally say), then into a similar leaf, but already crated and from a similar RPG, shmalnuli, yeah penetration is already 800mm, then it makes sense, or breaking through still 900mmthen there’s no use and this is a translation of shots and senseless destruction of equipment.
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          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 12 2016 15: 55
            +4
            I agree. They would still put dynamic protection on the MTLB and shoot. Nothing would remain of MTLB.
      2. ,
        , April 12 2016 14: 26
        +8
        Well, everyone just ran into a journalist))) They need to show something, so they go nuts. I remember the first time I heard the "trill" of AKSU (at the age of 12), and when I shot myself I just walked out of this song for a week))) ...
        1. firefighter
          firefighter April 12 2016 18: 32
          +1
          let them go to the national economy and go nuts. The experiment shown is an excerpt. those who showed it too. people are not in vain criticizing.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 12 2016 15: 38
        +9
        Quote: PROSTEEL
        Because we have such specialists ...

        What can be the protection against a cumulative grenade designed to penetrate the armor of main battle tanks at MTLB and the like?
        Are you crazy? laughing
        Even DZ is by no means a panacea.
        It is time.
        Second, our fathers and grandfathers abandoned bed nets and similar self-made screens during the WWII years because of their futility against faustpatrons.
        Making a real anti-cumulative grille is not easy.
        This is not done by a rural blacksmith, but by the Steel Research Institute. And then, it does not give a guarantee of protection.
        All kinds of homemade products are more for psychology, although more or less thought out options may occur.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 12 2016 15: 56
          -2
          Quote: Alekseev
          Are you crazy?

          Great, Lesh.
          Glad to hear you, have not seen each other for a long time.
          hi

          I ran home for lunch, went to the site for a short time, and then ... they "burn through" some kind of armor, some "myths" are debunked ...)))
          In general, Khan Mamai is resting on the Ecological Babai.
          The namesake, the plankman in your hands, hit the sofas.
          See you.
          drinks
          1. firefighter
            firefighter April 12 2016 18: 37
            +3
            troublesome it, couch peel. better to ignore
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 12 2016 16: 29
          -2
          Quote: Alekseev
          What can be the protection against a cumulative grenade designed to penetrate the armor of main battle tanks at MTLB and the like?

          There is only one way out on this technique - to prevent a grenade from exploding. That is - a knife lattice: breaks the chain of the piezoelectric bomb + deforms the cumulative funnel.

          The problem is that it does not work against grenades with an inertial fuse: this fuse has no chain and works almost instantly when braking the grenade, so the funnel does not have time to collapse.
      4. zennon
        zennon April 12 2016 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: PROSTEEL
        Because we have such specialists ... Couch))
        Of course breaks through.

        Punches. More precisely, it shifts the layers of metal by colossal pressure. Under the influence of a cumulative jet, the metal begins to behave like a liquid, remaining a solid substance. It's all about pressure that far exceeds the yield strength of the metal. And the temperature there is not high. About 450-500 degrees ...
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 12 2016 14: 44
      +22
      Quote: Velizariy
      Why burns through? !!! The cumulative jet is PUNCHING !!!

      Sells, to be exact.

      And the video is complete bullshit.
      The grill is bullshit.
      What a ......?!?!?!

      Is it difficult to open textbooks or, if laziness, google?
      The specialist was upset that he participated in a frank performance.

      The real grid is to the Steel Research Institute.
      Steel, the dimension of the cells, the thickness and width of the metal verified.
      The distance to the armored object is calculated.
      The task of the lattice is the deformation of a grenade, the destruction of the ideal course of the cumulative effect, the removal of focus from the armor.
      Those. attenuation of exposure.

      And here, through some kind of self-made hrendelupin, figurants with 26 are on a simple trough ...
      Wow, damn it ...
      request
      One Mat with annoyance .................
      1. firefighter
        firefighter April 12 2016 18: 39
        0
        One Mat with annoyance ...
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Quote: Velizariy
        Why burns through? !!! The cumulative jet is PUNCHING !!!

        Sells, to be exact.

        And the video is complete bullshit.
        The grill is bullshit.
        What a ......?!?!?!

        Is it difficult to open textbooks or, if laziness, google?
        The specialist was upset that he participated in a frank performance.

        The real grid is to the Steel Research Institute.
        Steel, the dimension of the cells, the thickness and width of the metal verified.
        The distance to the armored object is calculated.
        The task of the lattice is the deformation of a grenade, the destruction of the ideal course of the cumulative effect, the removal of focus from the armor.
        Those. attenuation of exposure.

        And here, through some kind of self-made hrendelupin, figurants with 26 are on a simple trough ...
        Wow, damn it ...
        request
        One Mat with annoyance .................
      2. firefighter
        firefighter April 12 2016 18: 41
        0
        why is ONE mat? GOOD MATS!
      3. Oml
        Oml April 13 2016 04: 21
        0
        And even more correct - it washes.
    3. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar April 12 2016 14: 50
      -3
      Russian helicopter crashed in Syria

      The Mi-28N attack helicopter of the Russian Aerospace Forces crashed in Syria. Two crew members were killed, reports TASS.
    4. opus
      opus April 12 2016 15: 03
      +4
      Quote: Velizariy
      The cumulative jet is PUNCHING !!!

      Probably still washing? wink

      The interaction of the armor and the cumulative jet occurs according to the laws of hydrodynamics...


      The material of the jet spreads in the direction opposite to its velocity vector. At the boundary of the jet and barrier materials, pressure arises, the value of which (up to 12-15 t / sq.cm) usually exceeds the tensile strength of the barrier material by one or two orders of magnitude. Therefore, the material of the barrier is taken out ("washed out") from the high pressure zone in the radial direction.

      Although of course, armor burning is not written in the SC TTX, but armor penetration is written
    5. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 12 2016 20: 59
      +1
      The cumulative jet behaves like a superdense liquid! However, the armor, too. And therefore, the cumulative jet washes (washes)! GOOGLE to help you. smile
  2. Engineer
    Engineer April 12 2016 13: 59
    +8
    Journalists of the Zvezda channel have finally learned that the RPG-26 grenade launcher was developed and adopted in the Soviet Union. And after 30 years, they learned about its impressive capabilities.
  3. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL April 12 2016 14: 00
    +5
    Well, by golly, how children these TV men are!
    If TK Zvezda will shoot a film about the gratings, then their 99% nuclear bomb will not overcome! hi
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 14: 01
    +34
    The lattice should be placed normal from a metal tape so that it deforms the body of the cumulative grenade itself and does not allow the cumulative jet to completely form or weaken it ... But then something was stuck on the nozzles from the wire and conclusions are drawn ... What then the grill is even at the rear of the T-14 and on one of the options for enhancing the protection of the BTR-80 that UVZ did?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 11
      +6
      I agree, the guys have welded on the snot which grate of household waste and want to check something. This is a wire !!! Its even OFS will break through without problems.
    2. Koshak
      Koshak April 12 2016 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The lattice should be placed normal from a metal tape so that it deforms the body of the cumulative grenade itself and does not allow the cumulative jet to completely form or weaken it ... But then something was stuck on the nozzles from the wire and conclusions are drawn ... What then the grill is even at the rear of the T-14 and on one of the options for enhancing the protection of the BTR-80 that UVZ did?

      So on this armored personnel carrier a lattice from some kind of building armature
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 32
        +5
        So on this armored personnel carrier a lattice from some kind of building armature

        Not really. It uses fairly wide band - will not "cut" the grenade, so it will turn. And in "acceptance" just a thick wire of round cross-section. Moreover, the material is not credible.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 12 2016 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          It uses fairly wide bands

          Ordinary steel bus, for grounding. On the edge of the steel sheet in "noodles" guillotine chopped.
          The Israelis will say that bags of soil, sand, need to be placed between the armor and the protective screen.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 14: 33
        +5
        The reinforcement is round, and on the BTR-80 the upgraded UVZ is a metal tape, most likely made of special strong steel, when passing through such a grid, the RPG grenade collapses, like a cumulative funnel, and accordingly it cannot form a cumulative stream ... Naturally, if a grenade will fall into the edge of this grate, it will work ... And of course this grate does not provide 100% protection ... But in some cases it helps ...
      3. PROSTEEL
        PROSTEEL April 12 2016 15: 15
        0
        On this armored personnel carrier, a grill designed and installed by specialists of the Research Institute of Steel.
        At the exhibition (Army-2016) I read an advertising booklet hi
  5. universe1
    universe1 April 12 2016 14: 04
    +5
    It is impossible to allow such inaccuracies on the military website. The cumulative jet breaks through the barrier, and does not burn through, as it is written in the title of the article.
    1. Alexey Lesogor
      Alexey Lesogor April 12 2016 15: 31
      0
      The "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" made an inaccuracy, and VO quotes it literally.
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  6. gas113
    gas113 April 12 2016 14: 04
    +6
    Ostentatious clip
  7. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 12 2016 14: 04
    +2
    There was a video where Ukrainians tried different grenade launchers on gratings. The result of a 50x50 grenade, if it didn’t break, turned and the jet beat to the side or just an explosion without a cumulative effect. But with RPG-7 there is 100% penetration. So it depends on what angle the grenade with the grate meets.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak April 12 2016 14: 28
      0
      Quote: Alexey M
      There was a video where Ukrainians tried different grenade launchers on gratings. The result of a 50x50 grenade, if it didn’t break, turned and the jet beat to the side or just an explosion without a cumulative effect. But with RPG-7 there is 100% penetration. So it depends on what angle the grenade with the grate meets.

      So that the grenade does not work with the desired effect, it must fall into the grill rod, and if it goes between the rods, then everything will work, as it should.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 April 12 2016 14: 42
        0
        Quote: Koshak
        So that the grenade does not work with the desired effect, it must fall into the grill rod, and if it goes between the rods, then everything will work, as it should.

        If the grenade would have hit the head part of the fuse between the rods of the grate, then, depending on the rigidity of the grate, the grenade body itself would have been destroyed, and only its fragments would have reached the armor. Most likely, the electrical circuits connecting the piezoelectric element in the head part from the subversive charge in the bottom part of the fuse would be destroyed. The body of the grenade in the head is made of thin aluminum sheet. But the probability of such a hit is very small.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 12 2016 16: 59
          +1
          Quote: ARES623
          If the grenade would have hit the head part of the fuse between the rods of the grate, then, depending on the rigidity of the grate, the grenade body itself would have been destroyed, and only its fragments would have reached the armor. Most likely, the electrical circuits connecting the piezoelectric element in the head part from the subversive charge in the bottom part of the fuse would be destroyed.

          It would be if shot from an RPG-7.
          The RPG-26 grenade has an additional inertial fuse, which, when hit in an obstacle, fires independently of the piezoelectric fuse. Moreover, he does this before the funnel is significantly deformed (a maximum of 5-7 cm will pass before the grenade is detonated).
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 12 2016 18: 33
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The RPG-26 grenade has an additional inertial fuse, which, when hit in an obstacle, fires independently of the piezoelectric fuse. Moreover, he does this before the funnel is significantly deformed (a maximum of 5-7 cm will pass before the grenade is detonated).
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            Respect. I did not work with this thing, more like a "fly" and "22". On TV, you can often see them, PG-7 VL can still be found.
  8. Berg berg
    Berg berg April 12 2016 14: 04
    -3
    And if it were a Ukrainian garbage container on tracks - most likely “it wouldn’t have broken through!” - there is still garbage inside!
  9. Velizariy
    Velizariy April 12 2016 14: 09
    +9
    The need to introduce criminal penalties for inaccurate, both in technical terms and semantic parts, publications is simply necessary! Especially on state channels.
    PS Ato, these hollow breeds do not even look at the directory, well, at least they would google it.
  10. Same lech
    Same lech April 12 2016 14: 11
    +2
    With such a cheap tandem RPG, you can ruin the enemy’s military economy ... you won’t get enough armored vehicles for millions of such RPGs in the hands of ordinary soldiers ... cheap and cheerful.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 16
      +3
      He is not tandem like, one charge and engine.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 12 2016 14: 24
        0
        He is not tandem like, one charge and engine.
        smile
        I saw this is a purely populist movie ...
        but this does not detract from the merits of the RPG ... a skilled fighter will find a gap where to plant a grenade.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 36
          +4
          a skilled fighter will find a gap where to plant a grenade.

          Who would argue. And the host sometimes infuriates the order. Especially when he begins the sentence and in questioning intonation gives it to finish the person next to him. And you want ye ... him from this RPG-26.
          Speak clearly, not for small kids transfer !!!!
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 April 12 2016 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            a skilled fighter will find a gap where to plant a grenade.

            Who would argue. And the host sometimes infuriates the order. Especially when he begins the sentence and in questioning intonation gives it to finish the person next to him. And you want ye ... him from this RPG-26.
            Speak clearly, not for small kids transfer !!!!

            You definitely noticed this. It is impossible to watch the entire cycle of programs with the participation of this correspondent. Such a blizzard carries that the ears wither and fuss like an eighth-grader who has reached a woman's body for the first time. It would be good to drive him from Zvezda, somewhere to Malakhov or Dom-2
  11. maxim1987
    maxim1987 April 12 2016 14: 17
    +6
    Fiends !!!!!!!! How could you destroy one of the pillars of Ukrainian engineering laughing
  12. 2s1122
    2s1122 April 12 2016 14: 25
    -1
    Quote: Mahmut
    в the experiment used far from the most powerful and modern grenade launcher,

    So, even the most lightly armored specimen was chosen as a target.

    The test condition was to establish the ability to count the screen (that is, the lattice) from the RPG, and everything else was nonsense.
  13. Abbra
    Abbra April 12 2016 14: 28
    +3
    And how much effort has been invested in this magical defense !!!!
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol April 12 2016 14: 37
      +8
      And where is the gate at this fence around the grave?))
      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg April 12 2016 14: 40
        +3
        they took this fence from the grave, a trick from the driver’s side!
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 12 2016 14: 43
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      And how much effort has been invested in this magical defense !!!!

      Very similar to a grave fence. There is nothing more to add.
  14. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 12 2016 14: 33
    +5
    The experiment is extremely unsuccessful. Firstly, the lattice of handicraft production and has a design that has long been legitimately considered ineffective. Modern anti-cumulative gratings are cooked from sheets ~ 5 mm thick with a certain interval. In this case, the effect of warhead deformation is achieved before the cumulative stream is triggered and changed. When executed correctly, they do not allow a combat element to correctly perform its work with a probability of 0.5-0.6. In addition, the addition of the lattice with ceramic elements covering the surface of the armor or additional obstacles behind it, leads to a sharp decrease in the efficiency of the cumulative jet. And the fact that they fired from a grenade launcher at MTLB is generally fake. He makes his way into the board with the usual 5,45 cartridge.
    And I got tired of already writing here ... the cumulative jet interacts with the armor material according to the laws of interaction of viscous fluids. She does not burn anything.
  15. Berg berg
    Berg berg April 12 2016 14: 36
    +1
    Then someone wants to sit in this car under the blow of a new RPG? Recently, there was an article somewhere from the Ural Vogon. They wrote that they tried to hang gratings with a tape thickness of 1 cm and the effect is the same - breaking the death of the crew! Dill tried to hang concrete slabs - death!
  16. a-cola
    a-cola April 12 2016 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: Velizariy
    The need to introduce criminal penalties for inaccurate, both in technical terms and semantic parts, publications is simply necessary! Especially on state channels.
    PS Ato, these hollow breeds do not even look at the directory, well, at least they would google it.


    What is wrong with accuracy? Is there some kind of manipulation? I am not an expert, but I was impressed that the car was punched through. The armor of the MT-LB is not very thick, but one side of the car should, as it were, serve as a screen for the other side, and much more durable than any grill. And even carried out at a great distance. Nevertheless, even this "screen" did not help! So the grill, whether it is factory or homemade, will not help any more. This is all just my theoretical reasoning. I also know that the installation of grilles is the world armored mainstream. But here's an example, as they say before your eyes! On tanks, a grill can and will help in consequence of the greater thickness of the armor, but on an armored personnel carrier - a picture on the face ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 12 2016 14: 52
      +2
      The grill must also be properly welded. From the right material. At the right interval. So that the grenade either collapses BEFORE the fuse works, or the axis of the grenade turns to the side.
      Of course, no tiling, ammunition, or ceramics will save the tandem ammunition. It remains to rely only on KAZ.
      And the armored personnel carrier ... armored armored personnel carrier easily breaks thermobaric ammunition. Moreover, together with the crew, passengers and the opposite side.
    2. kov123
      kov123 April 12 2016 15: 45
      +4
      If the cumulative jet is formed, then the MTLB board will not be a screen. Wrong jet obstruction. From the experience of shooting "Storm". The target is a real tank, the location is oblique. The missile hit the cannon mask. The jet - pierced the mask of the gun - pierced the breech of the gun and practically pierced the rear wall of the tower (a "ghoul" formed outside).
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 16: 09
      0
      The essence of the lattice is not that the grenade be initiated on it and the cumulative stream does not reach the armor, but that the edges of the lattice should destroy the grenade itself and the cumulative funnel of this grenade - then the cumulative stream will not form! Yes, this lattice will not give 100% protection as no means of protection will give it ... But you should not neglect it, especially since there is no other option at all ...
  17. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn April 12 2016 14: 53
    +3
    Not very impressed ... What did you want to prove? That the gratings do not help, or that the grenade launcher is good?
  18. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 12 2016 15: 14
    +7
    Absolute protection, as I understand it, does not exist at all. Plus, firstly: as correctly noted above, the car is not the most armored. Secondly: if there is a possibility that such a lattice will protect from impact or reduce its power, then it is better to have it. Even if it protects in 20 cases from 100.
    By the way, do the lattices play the same role on "Armata"? This tank doesn’t dare to moan or ridicule.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 12 2016 17: 02
      +2
      Quote: S_Baykala
      By the way, do the lattices play the same role on "Armata"? This tank doesn’t dare to moan or ridicule.

      On "Armata" the grilles are installed in the engine exhaust zone, where the installation of the remote sensing device is impossible.
  19. demiurg
    demiurg April 12 2016 16: 08
    +1
    The lattice, even the factory one, gives 50% that the charge will work prematurely / collapse and 15-20% that the armor will not be pierced at all (this is if the lattice on an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle on a tank has a much higher chance of getting through without breaking it). This is not a panacea, but an extra chance to survive the landing / crew.
    I will not repeat what was said about the strip, the quality of the metal, the installation angles, they said before me.

    P.S. And they would have withered away from the acacia with a land mine, the motoler would have torn the heart to pieces. The explosion and consequences would be incomparably more beautiful, and we can conclude that the lattice is not needed.
  20. Forever so
    Forever so April 12 2016 16: 26
    0
    again zhurnalyugi someone gesheft with bed nets broke)))
  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist April 12 2016 16: 27
    0
    Shield and sword. There is a grenade on the cunning grate. About "burns" - the explosion always tears, destroys.
  22. devytovskiy
    devytovskiy April 12 2016 16: 47
    0
    And I liked the "cranberry" - it bangs so much !!! wassat
  23. black
    black April 12 2016 16: 56
    +1
    For some reason, everyone forgot about the chains. Yes, the grilles do not protect. Only changing the path of the grenade can save the crew and the car. In the Middle Ages, large developing cloaks rescued knights from arrows flying in the back. In fact, from without additional screens, it is very difficult to destroy a tank from an RPG, even at short distances in a real battle. I also saw the anti-grenade maneuver for lighter armored vehicles, when the car, fearing defeat on board, moves not in a straight line, but in an arc. By the way, it works.
  24. arnulla
    arnulla April 12 2016 21: 24
    0
    Which bullshit journalists, such bullshit and video shoot ...
  25. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 12 2016 21: 48
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: S_Baykala
    By the way, do the lattices play the same role on "Armata"? This tank doesn’t dare to moan or ridicule.

    On "Armata" the grilles are installed in the engine exhaust zone, where the installation of the remote sensing device is impossible.


    Thank you hi
  26. kmv.km
    kmv.km April 12 2016 22: 07
    0
    Lattices are certainly not a panacea,
    BUT WHY Domestic Journalists of the Zvezda TV channel, who have proven themselves VERY NOT BAD Propagandists (ADVERTISERS in the good sense of the word) of Domestic Weapons and Technology needed to spread (demonstrate) this SUCKY (partially, of course, BECAUSE OUR RPGS - OH HOW GOOD) video !!!

    To SAW, a mesh with a cell of 75x200 mm from construction reinforcement with a diameter of 10 mm, even the Syrian "barmaley" will not "come" into the head to put "SUCH EFFECTIVE PROTECTION" on armored vehicles and TOYETS !!!
    And the "old man" MTLB should have been left alone, HE HAS BEEN DRAGGING until THERE, but the "grandfather" just can't protect it !!!