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Environmentally Friendly Chinese Initiative

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The Ministry of Economic Development recently agreed to move shipbuilding enterprises, chemical plants and metallurgy plants and something else from China to the Russian Far East. The export capacity initiative belonged to Beijing. Experts believe that as a result of such an agreement, Russia may get dirty technologies, waste disposal and a poor environmental situation.




5 April Minvostokrazvitiya of the Russian Federation reported that at the talks the director of the Department of the Ministry of Eastern and Eastern Development Rustam Makarov and the director of the Industry Development Department of the Northeastern Provinces of the PRC of the State Committee for the Development and Reform of the PRC Zhou Jianping discussed investment issues in the Far Eastern regions of Russia.

Beijing has taken the initiative to export its production facilities to Russia in twelve sectors of the economy: the construction industry, metallurgy, energy, engineering, shipbuilding, the chemical industry, the textile industry, the cement industry, telecommunications, and agriculture.

It is noted that we are talking about the possible transfer of Chinese enterprises to the territory of the Far East, taking into account compliance with environmental requirements established in Russia.

The representative of the Ministry of Development and Development Rustam Makarov confirmed Russia's readiness to cooperate. He also stressed that enterprises created within the framework of the territories of advanced development and the Free Port of Vladivostok receive substantial tax privileges and administrative preferences.

"We are ready to accept Chinese enterprises and create joint export-oriented production in the Far Eastern territory", - quotes his department.

Let us ask ourselves the question: for what purpose did the Chinese decide to transfer production to the Russian Far East? Answer is easy.

Three years ago, China began to think about changing priorities of economic policy. It was a question of a partial rejection of the status of a “world factory” and the upcoming withdrawal abroad of a number of industries — the chemical industry, the steel industry, the cement industry, and many more. etc. According to analysts, these "excess" production can be taken to Africa, that is, to the countries of the "third world". Mentioned and Central Asia (now the Middle Kingdom is actively developing it).

The Chinese have planned to keep the production that can be considered high-tech and in which there is a high proportion of value added. Beijing’s party decision to change priorities was probably due to rising labor costs in the PRC, which year by year reduced the competitiveness of far from the best-quality products of the “global factory”. In addition, the Chinese with their productions so dirtied their own nature that the decision on the withdrawal of hazardous industries, of course, is associated with attempts to correct the environmental situation. Nobody would think of, for example, the Chinese chemical industry, environmentally friendly.

The Russian Far East is much closer than Africa. And in the context of Western sanctions and low oil prices, production and investment from a “partner” could be at least some incentive for local development.

On the other hand, the transformation of the Russian sparsely populated region into a “third world” region with outdated production facilities and a dirty ecology is not a pleasant prospect.

However, while we are talking only about the readiness of Russia to cooperate.

“In fact, I’ll remind you that we have had two such precedents over the past year: the first precedent is with the lands in the Trans-Baikal Territory, when there was a very negative reaction of the Russian public,” said in an interview "Vesti FM" Alexey Maslov, Head of the HSE School of Oriental Studies. - I remind you that there was a discussion about the possibility of renting areas of almost 150 thousand hectares of land in the Trans-Baikal Territory under Chinese farmland, and there was a negative reaction from the Russian side. Now, basically, the reaction is also negative. It seems to us that China is conducting such transfer negotiations. In fact, now China is very attentively watching the reaction of public opinion, not only ordinary citizens, but above all politicians, people who are somehow connected with China in big business in order to understand how Russia reacts to such things in general. For now, I will remind, we have no agreement, there are no economic calculations, and in general, just talking about how useful or not useful it is for the environment, not seeing numbers, not seeing any specific calculations, is absolutely my mind, empty talk. And now China gains more from them, because it looks at what Russia thinks about when it speaks about the transfer of Chinese factories to Russia. ”

State Duma deputy from the LDPR, chairman of the State Duma Health Committee Sergei Furgal believes that the transfer of Chinese factories to the Far East is beneficial only to China. His opinion leads IA "AmurMedia".

“If it is simpler to say, the officials of the Ministry for the Development of the Far East have agreed that Chinese business will transfer its outdated plants and enterprises in the construction industry, metallurgy, energy, engineering and shipbuilding, chemical, textile and cement industry, telecommunications and agriculture to the Far East.”


According to the expert, almost all the listed enterprises are extremely environmentally harmful and even dangerous. In China, a “terrifying ecological situation”, “solid smog”, “all water has been poisoned” has already developed, and “the same thing should not be allowed to happen in the Far East”.

“As for statements on compliance with environmental legislation, it’s enough to ask the opinions of the residents of Vanino of the Khabarovsk Territory, who will tell you in detail how we observe this legislation.”


Separately, the expert highlighted the issue of so-called agriculture in China. Chinese agriculture, he noted, has long been "associated with pesticides and environmental pollution." The territory used by the Chinese turns into “a desert where birds do not sing, but insects are not found”.

In addition, in the Far East there are not so many specialists to work in enterprises. So, anyway, Chinese citizens will work there.

Finally, “all taxes will go to China.”

April 12 in the central press of the Russian Federation appeared some explanations about the possible Chinese expansion into Russian territories. In addition, it turned out that the Chinese, "driving out" production from their homeland, are interested not only in the Russian Far East.

The transfer of Chinese industries to the Far East is possible under the condition of full compliance with Russian laws, including environmental ones. In these industries, 80% of workers must be Russians. In addition, priority should be given to suppliers and contractors from the Russian Federation. About it TASS told in the Ministry of Development.

“Within the framework of cooperation in the export of production capacities from China, the creation of joint export-oriented industries is being worked out first of all. The initiative of the PRC to export the production capacity of the economy concerns the construction industry, energy, engineering, shipbuilding, the chemical industry, the textile industry, the cement industry, telecommunications, and agriculture, ”reports the Ministry of Oriental Development report.

The ministry also clarified that cooperation with China does not imply priority for this country. Russia works with Japan, and with South Korea, and with Australia, and with India. In turn, the Chinese side does not consider the Russian Far East as the only territory for localization of capacities.

Last, we add, sounds particularly interesting. This is, in fact, a kind of test Chinese statement about the coming competition for exported production in different regions of the globe - regions, of course, backward, because developed countries do not need Chinese production. Like, you will not accept, Russian - the plants will go to Central Asia or Africa.

That is why our ministerial guardians about the fate of the Far East are in a hurry to declare readiness for cooperation, substantial tax benefits, administrative preferences and so on. God forbid, the Chinese chemical industry or the steel industry will go to the Africans.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii April 13 2016 06: 18
    +36
    The plants will be transported and they will move.
    1. Portolan
      Portolan April 13 2016 06: 29
      +76
      we don’t need these Chinese plants and we don’t need China itself either. You need to rely on your strengths, on your science and your production, and of course on your people. And all these officials who want to destroy the nature of the Far East for the sake of their pocket are criminals
      1. DIMA45R
        DIMA45R April 13 2016 06: 44
        +10
        It's the same as selling their bodies (metaphor) .... and so we have nuclear waste processing, now they offer us another processing.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 13 2016 08: 05
          +46
          Do not be afraid of factories and the Chinese, we must be afraid of our corrupt officials who do not comply with laws and their duties.
          1. Hurray
            Hurray April 15 2016 03: 53
            +1
            No need to stick your head in the sand. From this, you not only do not hear and do not see, but also think tight!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 53
        +20
        Quote: Portolan
        we don’t need these Chinese plants and we don’t need China itself either

        Correctly! And in general, the Japanese are building factories with us, or rather have already built them. To destroy them in FIG, we do not need them.
        Quote: Portolan
        And all these officials who want to destroy the nature of the Far East for the sake of their pocket are criminals

        Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.
        1. Portolan
          Portolan April 13 2016 07: 47
          +21
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Correctly! And in general, the Japanese are building factories with us, or rather have already built them. To destroy them in FIG, we do not need them.


          we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.


          yes you are a sophist
          1. Jagermeister
            Jagermeister April 13 2016 08: 54
            0
            But a quarter century has passed, and strength and mind are not enough.
            We’ll wait another quarter century, it may increase our minds.
            Do not worry so, they will not build anything with us.
          2. Pereira
            Pereira April 13 2016 10: 52
            +14
            we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attract these capital and economies to our land


            20 years ago there was enough strength and intelligence. Now the wise guys divorced immeasurably, and in smart shortages.

            Tens of thousands leave the Far East annually. What kind of strength?
            1. 34 region
              34 region April 13 2016 11: 33
              +20
              Pereira! 10.52. This is a dream come true for our leadership. Come, invest, build, release! It's amazing how the technology of our military-industrial complex is dispensed with western technology. After all, the manufacturers of dryers and nuclear submarines do not yell: Come, invest, produce! How do they manage to do it themselves and do not rely on a good uncle? I want to hear the proud: Nobody but us! Where is Russia, there is success and prosperity! How disgusting when they invite and call, and how nice to know: This is our job! Well, why does not our leadership have a peasant grip: WILL I DO IT !? Why does this impotent show through: I can’t! Let them come and help! It's disgusting that someone came to us and did something! I can’t, I’m not digesting such a psychology. I’m the boss but I don’t know anything, I don’t know how and I can’t! But I have to live better than anyone! I so want !!! And such a leadership wants self-respect. And what respect do you have if you are completely impotent? You can't do anything! If the Chinese transfer their production to us, it means we are complete dbills. We can not do ANYTHING! We do not move progress, waste is pushed back to us! The author of the article is one hundred percent right!
              1. Pereira
                Pereira April 13 2016 12: 34
                +8
                I periodically uproot this cry of the soul.
                But there is a rationale for reasoning.

                The defense industry is largely state. property, works for state. money, profit to the budget, directors on dividends are not tied. There is a demand for products, but at least somehow they are paying.
                Everything else is private business and all risks are with the owner. And you need to feed the officials, crazy interest on loans, taxes, the absence of workers - locksmiths, machine workers, engineers. And unguaranteed demand? This is only an embargo now. And if they take it off? Again, everything will bark since CX.
                Under our state policy, there are no fools to invest in projects with payback in 10-15. Only the state can afford this. In particular, China. Moreover, the Chinese will be hard to extort bribes.

                For domestic investors to believe in the long term, it is necessary to break down the entire state system for managing the economy, which was created a quarter of a century. And with landings and shootings on camera. Only then, maybe.
                Otherwise, only state-owned enterprises. There is no third.
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar April 13 2016 14: 59
                  +6
                  "Domestic investors" appeared out of nothing in the Yeltsin-Gaidar-Chubais times, they are from their team! Even with 100% guarantees, they will not invest anything, and not because it is not profitable, but because in real life they do not know how to do anything (make money with their minds and work and "grab", simply rob the essence of things from different operas), and their long-standing overseas owners will be strongly, to put it mildly, unhappy with their behavior.
                2. weksha50
                  weksha50 April 13 2016 16: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Pereira
                  only state enterprises. There is no third.


                  And not only in industry, but also in agriculture ...

                  It is strange that this on the lower classes became clear a long time ago, and above - the vessels in the brain stuck together from a sweet life ...
                3. Anglorussian
                  Anglorussian April 13 2016 18: 03
                  +4
                  Corruption scandals involving Chinese businessmen in Latin America and Africa (and in China itself) suggest that with bribes in China it is quite normal.
              2. Karlovar
                Karlovar April 13 2016 14: 51
                -4
                To industrialize, I think, I think, for a trillion Baku rubles! Money where to get ???? West lending to Russian corporations covered (sanction), but the denyushka does not grow on the tree!
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 13 2016 17: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  To industrialize, I think, I think, for a trillion Baku rubles! Money where to get ???? West lending to Russian corporations covered (sanction), but the denyushka does not grow on the tree!

                  Against the backdrop of the political situation in the world and the neighboring country, the outflow of capital from the Russian Federation increased significantly in 2014, when more than $ 150 billion was withdrawn during the year. This is twice as much as in 2013 (about $ 60 billion).
            2. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 14: 45
              +2
              These clever men themselves will enjoy in Rostov, Krasnodar, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Samara, and let others (suckers supposedly) use their strength and mind in the Far East ...
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 25
            -3
            Quote: Portolan
            we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

            God forbid Russia such economists.
            Quote: Portolan
            yes you are a sophist

            Yes, so far to me.
            1. iConst
              iConst April 13 2016 11: 49
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Portolan
              we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

              God forbid Russia such economists.
              ...

              If it was a question of the USSR of the sample of the 30s or 50s of the last century, then - yes, these tasks would be feasible.

              And now without "investment" - not a single step. The neoliberal model rules ...

              They used to take and do. And now they argue - no, no loans! laughing

              The trick of neoliberal politics is to promote the cultivation of one's own "I", on the one hand, and the transformation of the general population into a controllable dumb mass, on the other.
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 10
                -3
                In the 30s, by the way, the Soviet Union bought machines and technologies over the hill, invited foreign engineers as well ...., of course, for lack of those at home, which was the only right decision at that time. The result of such a policy is known to everyone! By the way, gold for machine tools, technology, engineers was earned from the sale of grain, then the grain was the equivalent of current oil and gas ... Sending grain over the hill led to the impoverishment of the peasantry, hunger ... Such a side effect, such an industrialization price, dear, cruel, but necessary at that difficult time!
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 13 2016 17: 44
                  +7
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  In the 30s, by the way, the USSR bought machines, technologies,

                  True, but there is a "slight" difference. These purchased machines were installed in plants under construction. Show me at least one plant under construction for the production of means of production (plants for the production of Coca-Cola and wall panels, please do not mention).
                  They looked at these machines, disassembled, copied and created DOMESTIC on their basis. What domestic machines are MADE now, and not assembled in Russia?
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  invited foreign engineers ....,

                  These engineers not only built, but, as it was DESCRIBED in their contacts, trained ours. Which of the foreign engineers are now invited to Russia and which of the invited ones is teaching our engineers?
                  1. Karlovar
                    Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 00
                    0
                    We must first start up factories, machine tools, technologies ... in order to disassemble, copy, and create DOMESTIC on their basis. And engineers must first be invited (for large carriages) to train ours ..
                2. 34 region
                  34 region April 13 2016 20: 33
                  +1
                  Carvalol! 15.10/30. In the 7s in the USA there was the Great Depression, according to the current crisis. And then there’s the question of who helped whom. Rather, the Union helped support US industry with its orders. Before this crisis, they kind of turned their nose away from us. They bought grain, but they died of hunger themselves. 8-90 million died in well-fed America. Some were starving, while others were destroying food in order not to drop the price. I suspect that grain purchases in the Union were aimed at causing hunger in our country. Such an economic war. And the creation of collective farms made economic sense. In the XNUMXs, the mass of shuttles went to be purchased. Then there were large stores. But no one hinted at the dispossession of shuttles! But in fact it’s the same thing. What a collective farm, what a hypermarket, is one large economic unit. The creation of monopolies is also collectivization, but nobody on this occasion screams that they left a small private trader without bread!
                  1. Jagermeister
                    Jagermeister April 13 2016 20: 59
                    0
                    You are fantasizing.
                    You will not find data on those who died of starvation in America anywhere.

                    Shuttles ride now. But no longer cowards and trainings.
                  2. Karlovar
                    Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 09
                    0
                    If the grain had not been sold, causing hunger, then in 1941 the Germans would have taken Moscow, with the ensuing, the losses would have been an order of magnitude greater, and there would have been no country, there would have been about ten colonies with a standard of living, or rather mortality, as in Haiti , Africa ... Well, the United States saved several million citizens from starvation due to the purchase of Soviet grain. This is called mutually beneficial cooperation (both sides gained pluses), although forced. Well, shuttles were forced to do this business, they survived on their own fear and risk, many, by the way, have lost health, life.
                3. Jagermeister
                  Jagermeister April 13 2016 20: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  In the 30s, by the way, the USSR bought machines, technologies over the hill, and invited foreign ones ..
                  .Sending grain for a hill led to the impoverishment of the peasantry, hunger ... There was such a side effect, such a price of industrialization, expensive, cruel, but necessary at that difficult time!

                  Was it really impossible to leave at least a few bags of flour for the family? What is the need to rake everything from the barns to the last seed ...
                  1. Karlovar
                    Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 14
                    0
                    There was not enough gold, and most importantly, time ... Stalin knew perfectly well that the collective west was preparing another campaign to the east and time was running out! Psi: my great-grandfather and grandfather fell under dispossession (were real fists, not middle peasants) ...
          4. Al1977
            Al1977 April 13 2016 16: 03
            +2
            Quote: Portolan
            we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

            "We have a very sharp drop in incomes. A sharp one - both in real wages and incomes in general. This is all reflected in the decline in the purchasing power of the population, and this is all reflected in the retail turnover, which is declining, and at such a serious rate,” - said Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation O. Golodets.
            How do you combine the miserable (material) position of most people and the ability to achieve everything yourself?
            1. Alf
              Alf April 13 2016 17: 46
              +2
              Quote: Al1977
              How do you combine the miserable (material) position of most people and the ability to achieve everything yourself?

              Perfectly combine. It’s not in vain that he himself said-there will be no change of course, liberalization of the economy will continue and we will reduce costs.
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 April 14 2016 09: 32
                -1
                Quote: Alf
                Perfectly combine. It’s not in vain that he himself said-there will be no change of course, liberalization of the economy will continue and we will reduce costs.

                And the Central Bank, together with the mines of the economy, developed a plan so that the ruble would not be strengthened. That is, we don’t care about your income, we don’t care what you can buy, we need to fill the budget for pensioners. who need only bread and milk did not appeal to the upcoming presidential election. And the middle class, yes you go to jo * u, as you want, and live with this course. Go to bread and water.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 14 2016 12: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Al1977
                  what would pensioners. who only need bread and milk didn't cry out

                  Quote: Al1977
                  middle class - you go to jo * y... go to bread and water

                  what

                  Strange somehow .. pensioners should have enough for milk, but the middle class - no ..

                  Al1977Where did you find such a "middle class", I wonder?
            2. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 20: 23
              0
              Horoschij vopros, no otveta ne budet.
          5. Al1977
            Al1977 April 13 2016 16: 03
            0
            Quote: Portolan
            we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

            "We have a very sharp drop in incomes. A sharp one - both in real wages and incomes in general. This is all reflected in the decline in the purchasing power of the population, and this is all reflected in the retail turnover, which is declining, and at such a serious rate,” - said Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation O. Golodets.
            How do you combine the miserable (material) position of most people and the ability to achieve everything yourself?
        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev April 13 2016 07: 53
          0
          Japanese, with a different culture. China with Mao syndrome.
          1. Simon
            Simon April 13 2016 09: 21
            +14
            The Japanese on Sakhalin produced the same oil under Yeltsin, so what, about the whole Sakhalin island, they violated the environment, after which they were asked, and when will nature recover? How much time will pass. Also, China - not its own, you can crap. request
            1. Pereira
              Pereira April 13 2016 10: 54
              +5
              The Japanese on Sakhalin produced the same oil under Yeltsin, so what, about the whole Sakhalin island, they violated the ecology,


              The Japanese did exactly what our officials allowed them to do. I do not blame them. But I would deal with officials.
              1. S_last
                S_last April 13 2016 16: 23
                0
                Who will ask the official if it is he who is set to ask everyone?
        3. troyan
          troyan April 13 2016 10: 08
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.

          1. That is, officials have nothing to do with it? did the people just come to chop wood for themselves in the winter and warm up thousands of hectares to zero? Or maybe, after all, someone issued permission and carte blanche to destroy the forest with full connivance and lack of control?
          2. But what about the valiant police? Or can large ranks from the police only ban websites that disagree with the ongoing, for 25 years, policy of the collapse of the country's economy?
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 13 2016 10: 54
            0
            Troyan, you do not understand anything.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 26
            -1
            Quote: troyan

            1. That is, officials have nothing to do with it? did the people just come to chop wood for themselves in the winter and warm up thousands of hectares to zero?

            Yes, there are gangs buying up the forest, and people selling it to them.
            Quote: troyan
            2. But what about the valiant police?

            It works, the removal of illegal forests fell at times.
            Quote: troyan
            Or can large ranks from the police only ban websites that disagree with the ongoing, for 25 years, policy of the collapse of the country's economy?

            They ruin the country, but they cannot ruin everything. Like people like you.
            1. troyan
              troyan April 14 2016 09: 32
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              They ruin the country, but they cannot ruin everything. Like people like you.

              1. That is, it’s like us, we are ruining the country, but we can’t ruin it?
              2. And how did we get it? By saying the truth, and by drawing it from official sources and the realities of life? Your "Race-rises-with-kalen" (and at the same time Putin's raw materials economy) suffered a complete collapse on December 16, 2014, it seems that many have an epiphany. Well, I understand, the truth hurts.
              3. Well, although your praise to the great helmsman is understandable, getting good rubles from the Head of All Russia you can sing praises to him. It would be interesting to look at you like that if you worked somewhere in an ordinary Russian factory or somewhere else with an average Russian salary (not the one they write, comparing some prokhorovyh-miller-yakunin and ordinary people).
          3. guzik007
            guzik007 April 13 2016 12: 09
            0
            Or the big ranks from the police can only ban those who disagree with
            -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------
            Onet adore it: =)
        4. NordUral
          NordUral April 13 2016 10: 23
          +1
          One-eyed you, Romanov.
        5. Corsair
          Corsair April 13 2016 11: 16
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.

          Alexander, this is exactly the whole conversation, for the sake of profit, our officials will turn a blind eye to anything, the region will certainly profit, but for how long - the question is whether it will be possible to live there and in the okrug after.
          Landfills are arranged by people, but it is controlled by the executive branch - and this is the direct responsibility of local officials - to arrange work so as to litter people with no desire.
          The federal authorities, however, need to establish normal and inexpensive logistics and infrastructure so that people do not want to dump from there on the "mainland".
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother April 13 2016 11: 28
            +8
            Quote: Corsair
            Landfills are arranged by people, but it is controlled by the executive branch - and this is the direct responsibility of local officials - to arrange work so as to litter people with no desire.

            I bought a house in the Vladimir region, inside it is littered with rags and trash right up to the waist, I want to throw it away culturally, but I don’t have the opportunity - because it’s a wilderness. There is no landfill.
            I found the old silo pits, I will bring down there.
            Before you discourage my desire to litter, give me the opportunity to do everything normal.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 28
            -3
            Quote: Corsair
            Alexander, this is exactly the whole conversation, for the sake of profits our officials will turn a blind eye to anything, the region will certainly profit, but for how long - the question is whether it will be possible to live there and in the okrug after

            Strange, you do not know how it will be, but claim that it will be bad.
            Quote: Corsair
            Landfills are arranged by people, but controlled by the executive branch -

            Komers took out the garbage for the nearby hill, so that money would not be paid. Is the power to blame?
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 13 2016 13: 00
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Komers took out the garbage for the nearby hill, so that money would not be paid. Is the power to blame?

              The police and the prosecutor's office + other oversight bodies - this is all the power, took out the commerce - they found they were punished not with a fine of 100 thousand when the damage was done, but with cleaning and restoration work - people will quickly begin to think that it would be cheaper to take it to the official training ground.
              Quote: your1970
              Landfills are generally a separate song. In order to fine a person, one must sit in ambush with a video camera and 2 witnesses while waiting for him to bring the garbage and dump it out. Otherwise, when appealing in court, the courts decide that the fact of violation was not proved by this person.

              Here we have to think about how to solve this issue, well, plus considering that now every third person has a camera phone - ask people to be vigilant and involved, and the police control - if they see a truck carrying garbage - where it carries it, where it will be unloaded, etc. . If our deputies were puzzled by normal questions, and not by inventing some unthinkable bills, then a solution would be found quite quickly.
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 April 13 2016 20: 07
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                Here we have to think about how to solve this issue, well, plus considering that now every third person has a camera phone - ask people to be vigilant and involved, and the police control - if they see a truck carrying garbage - where it carries it, where it will be unloaded, etc. .



                The most interesting thing here is that the Federal Law "On Local Self-Government ..." clearly defines the activities of local, municipal authorities to organize cleanliness in settlements and organize the removal, storage and disposal of solid waste ... That is, not Putin, not LADIES, not the Duma, but the local government, which is elected by the local population ...

                So to say: Purely not where they clean, but where they do not litter ...

                So the garbage roots begin to grow from an individual, a family, an entrance, a house ...
              2. your1970
                your1970 April 13 2016 20: 13
                0
                "that now every third phone with a camera - to ask people to show vigilance and participation," - showed and ??? They are a state inspector ??? NO !!!
                everything is free, the court will annul the decision by rail (even if it is not the Rockefeller owner of the landfill (which type will pay off), but an ordinary collective farmer who drove his own ... manure).
                We carry out trivial control, we must establish the data of an individual - the FMS, referring to the law on personal data, does not give such information to anyone, including the prosecutor’s office ..
                And without data on the person (year of birth, passport number, registration) - you can’t draw up a protocol and you can’t bring to justice.
                And even if they found the person, they were fined, then the person may not pay the fine (especially if he is considered unemployed) because the 20.25 Code of Administrative Offenses provides for arrest, and in this case the court refuses to consider the case without a person. And none of the state bodies has the authority to deliver people essno).
                That is, the person will not have a penalty for non-payment - the decision will go to the bailiffs, because there are unemployed people and there is no income, they will try to do something for a long time, sometimes it turns out, sometimes not ...
            2. AID.S
              AID.S April 13 2016 13: 02
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Komers took out the garbage for the nearby hill, so that money would not be paid. Is the power to blame?

              Probably commerce, but tell me, to whom is commerce accountable, to the people or to the authorities that regulate commerce, simply who established the rules of the game? And why, interestingly, commerce does not go to the landfill?
              Everything is simple, the population, commerce, power - the food pyramid, where the population plays the role of plankton, respectively, the degree of influence on the upper chains is small. Therefore, only the authorities, my friend, the authorities can really influence commerce! Well, who will transfer the functions of power to the population to suppress "disorderly violations" - they will begin to lynch businessmen, and then they will be able to reach the officials.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 15: 41
                -1
                Quote: AID.S
                And why, interestingly, commerce does not go to the landfill?

                Garbage collection to the landfill paid
                Quote: AID.S
                Well, who will hand over to the population the functions of power to suppress "disorderly violations" - they will begin to lynch the merchants, and then they will be able to reach the officials.

                Do you want the authorities to run with a red bandage on your sleeve and restore order? No, this will no longer be.
                Conscience must have.
                1. iConst
                  iConst April 13 2016 15: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Conscience must have.
                  - A call to conscience sounds cool today ...
                  ... And suddenly he says to me: “In our club it is customary for gentlemen to take a word!” And then I was lucky! Lucky and lucky! How not to buy, twenty-one! Just twenty-one: not nineteen, not twenty, not twenty two! Some luck! ...
                  "Freaks" (film)
                2. AID.S
                  AID.S April 14 2016 00: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov (6) Today, 15: 41 ↑
                  Quote: AID.S
                  And why, interestingly, commerce does not go to the landfill?
                  Garbage collection to the landfill paid

                  And where does the confidence come from that the Chinese "will go to the dump"?
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.

                  Waiting, from the Chinese?
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov

                  Do you want the authorities to run with a red bandage on your sleeve and restore order?

                  I want the government itself to run around and put things in order, with or without a red bandage, so that there are no gopher governors who can steal money, but cannot make stolen money work, let alone stolen money. I want to so that officials live on the same salary. Funny? Surely!
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  No, this will no longer be.
                  Conscience must have.


                  And I still fell in love with red blindfolds at school (c), (not to be confused with the Red Flag!)
              2. your1970
                your1970 April 13 2016 20: 24
                +1
                What level of power can affect IP?
                Since I don’t know the people, according to 294-ФЗ, the entire SMALL business is excluded from the inspection plans until the 2019 year (I’m not talking about IP). Why in such capital letters? But:
                "The signed decree sets limit values annual business income for each category of small and medium-sized enterprises: for microenterprises - 120 million rubles, for small enterprises - 800 million rubles, for medium-sized enterprises - 2 billion rubles. "Let me explain, if the income from 120 to 800 million per year-It is a small business and it can only be checked if it is a food machine, where there is a danger to life .....
                I wondered: if we have 6 districts to drive all the IPs into a heap - it can be micro and elongated, but no more ..
                Therefore, local authorities can’t practically influence the IP, unless if he really needs something from them ...
                And still an old feature: 3 of the year cannot be checked according to the law - 2,5 of the year also closed ...
                So do not believe the IP screaming - that I torment them with a large number of checks .... It's all a lie ...
          3. your1970
            your1970 April 13 2016 12: 38
            +4
            Corsair
            "The question is whether it will be possible to live there and in the suburbs after." - and now it is possible to live there? work in bulk? children are born in millions? s / n mad, so that they go from Moscow to work?
            There is nothing there, and there is no prospect of luring ours, the Soviet way - "on a Komsomol ticket" cannot be repeated, and without a large number of human resources ours will not build anything there ...

            "Normal and inexpensive logistics" - the whole USSR was building BAM and then it was not completely brought to mind ...

            Landfills are generally a separate song. In order to fine a person, one must sit in ambush with a video camera and 2 witnesses waiting for him to bring the garbage out and throw it out. Otherwise, when appealing in court, the courts decide that the fact of violation has not been proved by this person. during working hours (according to the regulations), otherwise the check was carried out in violation and again in court the decision is canceled. And is he sick or something to take out the garbage in the field during the day, it’s quiet in the evening ....
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 13 2016 13: 05
              +4
              Quote: your1970
              "Normal and inexpensive logistics" - the whole USSR was building BAM and then it was not completely brought to mind ...

              request Well, I’m just talking about BAM or its upgrade / reconstruction - the USSR, after all, was building a lot of things along the way, and our rulers are all about football, but they are thinking of some populist things and southern streams.
              As for resources, "mega-economists" prefer to buy Treasuries for billions of dollars than to equip the country's infrastructure, and roads are like the circulatory system in the body, blood does not reach - a part of the body dies and rots.
            2. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 28
              0
              Chel calls on more cops to take to work, 50 times more than now, to sit in ambushes. But I did not think who would pay the ambushes .... And the flow of people is now just from the Far East to Moscow and the European part. Who will be the logistics and infrastructure. , and even "inexpensive" to establish, too, did not think .... And about the "inexpensive" infrastructure, I also did not think that the Far East is not the state of California, in terms of relief and climate ...
              1. Corsair
                Corsair April 14 2016 10: 13
                0
                Quote: Karlovar
                Chel calls on more cops to take to work, 50 times more than now, to sit in ambushes. But I did not think who would pay the ambushes .... And the flow of people is now just from the Far East to Moscow and the European part. Who will be the logistics and infrastructure. , and even "inexpensive" to establish, too, did not think .... And about the "inexpensive" infrastructure, I also did not think that the Far East is not the state of California, in terms of relief and climate ...

                laughing very peculiarly you interpret my judgments.
                1. No more cops are needed, but for those who are working fine, plus now is not the Stone Age, there are cameras - video surveillance and other devices, every third or fourth has a camera with them on the phone - well, you need to develop civil consciousness, I saw that someone then he unloads the garbage - write down the number of the car, take a picture and go to the appropriate department.
                2. Construction of infrastructure becomes expensive mainly due to leaks from officials and a sudden rise in prices for materials or purchases through front offices - I myself was involved in the examination of design estimates and design of BPS, BPS-2 (Baltic Pipeline System - Transneft) - I know firsthand what it is " gold pipes and locking devices ".
                The same system with roads - rubble is transported through 2 areas for papers, asphalt after another 3,14 .. yes, excuse me for the expression, for some reason, concrete is also not from a neighboring factory. The lands through which the objects are to be passed are recently bought up by certain people (buyers have time - tenders and other discussions sometimes take years).
            3. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian April 13 2016 16: 58
              0
              Caucasians go and live, this means that you can live there.
          4. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 19
            +1
            In the conditions of permafrost, swamps, impassable taiga, continuous hills, what side do inexpensive infrastructure and logistics be built ???? Do not share your experience ????
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 04
              +2
              Canadians have pretty well developed infrastructure. And not only at the border with USA
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 27
                0
                The population of Canada is almost 5 times smaller than the Russian ... If we take into account that the population, like in Russia, is not evenly distributed throughout the territory, but lives in heaps, then such heaps receive 5 times less. In addition, the territory of Canada is 2 times less than Russia ... Multiplying 5 by 2 we get 10 times less to invest in Canada’s infrastructure compared to Russia. Moreover, the climate in Canada is even softer than in Siberia and the Far East .... Even at the peak of power under Catherine the Great Empires were fools and roads (due to the vast geography and climate) ... It is one thing to build a road from Berlin to Dresden, another from Moscow to Nakhodka ... Costs are higher by ORDER .....
                1. Anglorussian
                  Anglorussian April 14 2016 21: 29
                  0
                  There are 3 times more roads there than in Siberia (population and area are comparable). And even where the frosts crack, there are roads, schools and hospitals. An ambulance arrives at the farm in 20 minutes. For Scandinavians this is also not a problem, reindeer and beautiful roads are adjacent.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair April 14 2016 10: 21
              0
              Quote: Karlovar
              In the conditions of permafrost, swamps, impassable taiga, continuous hills, what side do inexpensive infrastructure and logistics be built ???? Do not share your experience ????

              In Western Siberia there are quite normal roads for yourself, but the concrete is bare in places and you go like on a train from peretukov at the joints, but there are - there are also swamps, sand and permafrost. Inexpensive does not mean at all for a penny, but not like in Moscow.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 13 2016 07: 21
        +19
        Quote: Portolan
        And all these officials who want to destroy the nature of the Far East for the sake of their pocket are criminals

        Jiangsu Province. The city wastewater treatment plant does not cope with the treatment of industrial polluted water. Pipe with sewage beats from under the Yangtze River

        Does anyone there, Navirkhu, want the same? Make him swim in this ... Twice a day .... As long as he will live after that ....
      4. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z April 13 2016 08: 35
        +9
        Quote: Portolan
        we don’t need these Chinese plants and we don’t need China itself either.

        That's it !!!
        After the war, the Americans seem to have also suggested that the Union grant them the right to develop the KMA (Kursk Magnetic Anomaly) for 5 years. And then you will develop it yourself, we say that we will leave all the equipment.
        Like, we’ll remove the cream, and then you pick it.
        But they showed Figo. And then there was no talk of ecology, as I understand it.
        Now China needs territories. Did the officials decide to give them this opportunity? Infect our territories ?!
        So, first of all, build a residential town with full infrastructure in those areas, or under the "wind rose" of future enterprises, and settle the families of those bureaucrats in it! FULLY !!!
        And let them live there! Without a break, as in the Soviet number cities!
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 43
          +2
          China still to master and develop their northern and western provinces! They have about the same problem as the Russian Federation with the Far East: no matter how people are lured there by salaries, infrastructures, different preferences, the Chinese do not want to go to the cold northern and western provinces, everyone wants to live near the warm ocean .... And from Russia, What does China need? So that Russia is stable, predictable, unprecedented! Russia for China, by virtue of geography and resources (natural, military), can be its reliable rear in the future confrontation between the PRC and the USA .... For the USA, striking Russia is not an end in itself, not an end goal, but the desired springboard for driving China into a corner .. ..
      5. Altona
        Altona April 13 2016 09: 34
        +9
        Quote: Portolan
        we don’t need these Chinese plants and we don’t need China itself either. You need to rely on your strengths, on your science and your production, and of course on your people. And all these officials who want to destroy the nature of the Far East for the sake of their pocket are criminals

        ----------------
        It is certainly a disgrace to move someone else's industry. After all, we built shipbuilding and other such plants ourselves, we ourselves provided them with labor. And in China, already 80% of ground (!!!) waters have been poisoned, and there is no need to talk about rivers. It goes without saying that the "transfer of factories" will be carried out for kickbacks to the Russian "curators". And all because our managers can only take away and divide, and are completely incapable of organizing industry, science and education themselves.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 49
          +2
          In the dashing 90s, industry, science (almost), and education (completely), and, as a natural consequence, personnel were successfully eliminated .... Personnel, where to get ??? Can they grow out of a generation of fraternal currency-prostitutes-managers-law economists-sellers ???? It is possible through a generation, if you deal closely with this issue ...
      6. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 13 2016 14: 42
        -2
        Correctly! Nah these yellow plants and factories are not needed! We will build the great AGRARIAN superpower according to the Ukrainian model! Glory to Allah, from the Ukrainians you can learn this experience! Or wait on the far end, while the Americans will build factories for their own non-yellow investments !!!)))))))))
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 April 13 2016 16: 09
          +3
          Quote: Karlovar
          Correctly! Nah these yellow plants and factories are not needed!

          This is not a platform where this humor will be appreciated))) Now, if you wrote that Russia is cooler than all China-America combined, then your plus sign would be yours))
          And so ... to question the great mind of our president and the talent and hard work of the people ... it recognized liberalism (the organization banned in this forum)))
      7. g1v2
        g1v2 April 13 2016 15: 06
        -2
        Well, raise your asses and go to the Far East to work. And then all about Stalin's construction projects are all great, but they are ready to participate in them only from the couch. am For especially intellectuals, I explain a simple truth. Southeast Zia is a locomotive of the 21st century. There, up to 50 percent of world GDP is concentrated. Therefore, the development of Far East today is one of the priorities. 80 percent of the population is concentrated on this side of the Urals and there are a lot of people who are ready to sit on their grandmother’s pension, but not go to work. For the development of the Far East, industry is needed and, in general, work is ANY. If our diplomats were able to persuade the Chinese to invest in the industrialization of the Far East, then honor and praise be to them. If everything goes well, then we will have a second outbreak in the east, like the Yankees - New York in the east and Los Angeles in the west of the United States. So the settlement of the CENTER OF THE COUNTRY WILL GO FROM TWO SIDES. For this, a powerful flow of workers in the Far East and, as a whole, huge investments in its industry is required in order to produce as much as possible on the spot. I am silent about cx - 1,5 billion Chinese are at hand, 125 million Japanese and Koreans who will devour everything that we produce.
        Those who turned this project on are good fellows.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 13 2016 17: 59
          +5
          Quote: g1v2
          If everything goes well, then we will have a second hearth in the east,

          We will have a province of China under the alleged control of Russia.
          Quote: g1v2
          So the settlement of the CENTER OF THE COUNTRY WILL GO FROM TWO SIDES.

          No need to populate Russia from the other side.
          Quote: g1v2
          This requires a powerful flow of hands on the Far East

          So China will provide it, and then we will be surprised why the Far East speak Han, accept only the yuan and all local governments eat with chopsticks.
          China practically does not wage a "war" war, as the British say - War War. They prefer creeping expansion.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 13 2016 20: 32
            +2
            Do you have many hands ready to go to the Far East? Even in the USSR there weren’t very many of them, that's why they came up with Komsomol vouchers, distribution, and other ways to lure / force people there .. And now
            - ask yourself - will you go to the tent, to the taiga, to hell with live cakes? maximum-shift for a frantic salary ..
            The time "Behind the fog and the smell of taiga!" Is over, it's over ...
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 42
              0
              Can! Voluntarily-forcibly, focusing on the second part ....
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 41
          +1
          It is useless to explain to comrades for the beads, at the request of the "white man", who ditched their factories, sawed up the army and navy for scrap. youth (some remain the same in old age). And now the yellow people offer for their own investments to build new factories, technologies to replace the ditched at the "request" of "white people" .., and they turn up their noses-fu, fi, yellow, narrow-eyed, dangerous ... Where was their vigilance when they handed over the country for beads to "white people", with the burden of which ???
      8. vitalm
        vitalm April 13 2016 18: 35
        +1
        For the loot, officials will not only give, but they will surrender themselves
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 13 2016 06: 33
      +12
      the concept of "ecology" is not about China at all ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 44
        +8
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the concept of "ecology" is not about China at all ...

        Cupid is now much cleaner than 10 children ago. Chinas are now paying a lot of attention to ecology. And if you look at the forest, then from our side there are continuous burners, and on the opposite bank there is a green forest.
        1. Portolan
          Portolan April 13 2016 08: 04
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cupid is now much cleaner than 10 children ago. Chinas are now paying a lot of attention to ecology.


          and the article says that the Chinese poisoned their country with harmful industries and who is lying?
          by the way, here's another opinion about "pure Chinese industries"
          http://www.oilru.com/news/510757/
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother April 13 2016 08: 55
            -1
            Quote: Portolan

            and the article says that the Chinese poisoned their country with harmful industries and who is lying?

            They have their own legislation, and Russia has their own. In China, they allowed themselves to shit, but in Russia no one will allow them.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2016 10: 27
              +8
              You are a naive person. Yes, our bureaucrat for anything bucks permits.
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 52
                +1
                Calling on to sit on oil and gas ???? The one who does nothing is not mistaken ... The bureaucrats need to be changed, I agree, but to whom ????
            2. Alf
              Alf April 13 2016 18: 00
              0
              Quote: Gray Brother
              but in Russia no one will allow them.

              A pack of bucks will solve all the issues.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 29
            0
            Quote: Portolan


            and the article says that the Chinese poisoned their country with harmful industries and who is lying?

            We have a little harmful production? Payment for the technological level of development.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 54
              0
              Novokuznetsk Metallurgical Plant very ecological! It is not clear how people still live there? And today there is almost Sochi in comparison with Soviet times ...
        2. Bongo
          Bongo April 13 2016 08: 32
          +21
          Hi Sasha!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cupid is now much cleaner than 10 children ago. Chinas are now paying a lot of attention to ecology.

          You are absolutely right, they just don't care about our ecology!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And if you look at the forest, then from our side there are continuous burners, and on the opposite bank there is a green forest.

          Here I can argue with you if I want to take you somehow to those villages where the Chinese worked (in the picture). I understand that you are an urban resident, but we have a large region with wonderful nature, and it’s a sin not to travel around it. And it’s very painful to see this.


          Chinese loggers are actively working in the Ulchi region and leave this behind. In addition, I went hunting last year in the EAO and saw what happened to the agricultural fields that were leased to the Chinese ... wassat Tin, I don’t know how they watered the earth, but there really nothing grows after them. crying However, it is difficult to blame the Chinese for this, there are many of them and they have a locust mentality. Our leaders are guilty who allow such behavior on our land.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets April 13 2016 09: 04
            +16
            Quote: Bongo
            You are absolutely right, they just don't care about our ecology!

            Sergey! Hello! In the Amur region and along the BAM, the same view. About the fields, I just do not speak. There are no Chinese for ten years, and where they were engaged in farming, not only nothing grows in the fields, so also the fish in the lakes where they are bred their plague, povyvelas. And remember the fall of 2006, when the poison from the Sungari to Khabarovsk reached. These are links, one for 2006, the second for 2010. And what they "floated" during the flood of 2013, God knows in Amur they were banned, they even warned on the local radio.
            http://www.medinfo.ru/mednews/7185.html
            http://www.zonafish.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4172
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 33
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            , if there is a desire to take you somehow to those plots where the Chinese worked (in the picture

            Hi Sergey! He was in plots, though on where the Russians worked. And seeing that after themselves they leave Kitayitsa as a whole, normal guys.
            Remember 1998, more than 200 only large fires. And this is only due to the fact that the cutting of burners was allowed. And it was not the Chinese women who did this; our Russians themselves set fire to the forest.
            Quote: Bongo
            Tin, I don’t know how they watered the earth, but there really nothing grows after them

            Chemistry, they covered this shop.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 57
              -1
              It cannot be that the Russians work there! Most likely, North Koreans! Well, or the Indians ...
        3. NordUral
          NordUral April 13 2016 10: 26
          0
          Naturally, the Chinese have scorched and chopped wood.
        4. Altona
          Altona April 13 2016 11: 51
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cupid is now much cleaner than 10 children ago. Chinas are now paying a lot of attention to ecology. And if you look at the forest, then from our side there are continuous burners, and on the opposite bank there is a green forest.

          ------------------
          Strange, why then their bears run to us in Ha?)))
          1. Alf
            Alf April 13 2016 18: 03
            +5
            Quote: Altona
            Strange, why then their bears run to us in Ha?)))

            Bears are illiterate people, they do not know that the ecological situation in China is excellent.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 43
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      The plants will be transported and they will move.

      The Americans threw their plants to China, but did not move themselves.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 13 2016 07: 21
        +8
        so Americans are not a yard and a half! belay
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 07: 29
          0
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          so Americans are not a yard and a half!

          China is now building factories around the world, show me the country where they moved with the factories.
          1. Leto
            Leto April 13 2016 07: 40
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            China is now building factories around the world, show me the country where they moved with the factories.

            When the trouble began in Libya, the Chinese had the problem of taking their citizens out of the war-torn country, there were not enough ships. This indicates the number of Chinese working in Libya. In Tajikistan, only Chinese people work in enterprises built by the Chinese; local personnel are not involved.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 07: 49
              0
              Quote: Leto
              When the trouble began in Libya, the Chinese had the problem of taking their citizens out of the war-torn country, there were not enough ships. This indicates the number of Chinese working in Libya.

              As for the problem of getting citizens out of the country where the warrior is marching, everyone had such a problem. As for the "shortage of ships" Do not lie! Where is the Kitai, and where is Libya, the Greeks took out people and not only the Kitays. Our Ministry of Emergency Situations was taken out by people regardless of nationality.
              1. Leto
                Leto April 13 2016 09: 18
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Our Ministry of Emergency Situations was taken out by people regardless of nationality.

                Ours were taken out by air, the Chinese did not have enough ships for this, which indicates the number of
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Do not lie!

                You either did not follow the events in Libya, or in 2011. your age did not allow it.
                28.02.2011
                More than 10 thousand Chinese evacuated from Libya to Crete
                http://www.greecetoday.ru/home/news/2547/


                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Leto

                  You either did not follow the events in Libya, or in 2011. your age did not allow it.

                  I can bring you the RIA, which says that 35 thousand Chinese were evacuated.
                  For reference, Libya, when it was a good country for tourists. And there were a lot of them, including the Chinese.
                  1. Leto
                    Leto April 13 2016 13: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I can bring you the RIA, which says that 35 thousand Chinese were evacuated.

                    Please bring.

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    For reference, Libya, when it was a good country for tourists. And there were a lot of them, including the Chinese.

                    It doesn’t work out if you have a good mine with a bad game. 10 thousand Chinese tourists in Libya frank oxymoron.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 15: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: Leto
                      Please bring.

                      ria.ru ›In the world› 20110303 / 341483110.html
                      China has completed the evacuation of more than 35 thousand of its citizens from Libya.
                      Quote: Leto
                      It doesn’t work out if you have a good mine with a bad game. 10 thousand Chinese tourists in Libya frank oxymoron.

                      The number of tourists from China today is approaching 100 million. A poor country could have 000 million if China were richer.
                    2. Karlovar
                      Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 31
                      0
                      And how many Russian tourists were evacuated from Egypt ??? Man 5-6 ???
                2. Karlovar
                  Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 29
                  0
                  Do you feel the difference between 10 thousand and 1,5 lard ??? By the way, in the United States, there are about 3 to 13 million Chinese (according to various estimates) ... And nothing, with the ecology of norms, while the United States is not ruled by the Chinese, though not Anglo-Saxons, which is a joke .... In the 30 millionth Canada the Chinese are about 1,5 million + -... Also nothing, the ecology is beautiful there ... In Australia there are even more Chinese (there is warm, the ocean is warm, as in the homeland) than in Canada, there are also no Chinese standards with the environment and the president is Chinese ...
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 11
                    +2
                    These countries do not have land borders with China, and they are simply not allowed into the authorities. But on the Far East Situevina is different. And by the way, they look at Russia in the same way as in Cameroon or Angola, and there events are developing not at all like in America
                    1. Karlovar
                      Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 47
                      0
                      The Russian land borders are not current with China, but also the EU ... What to do with the EU? With their economic power and population? Can preventively use nuclear weapons on them? So it will be calmer to sleep, then maybe ....
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian April 14 2016 12: 26
                        0
                        And what though one of the EU countries is trying to apply creeping expansion to the Russian lands?
                      2. Karlovar
                        Karlovar April 14 2016 14: 27
                        0
                        The entire former Warsaw Pact in NATO, the three former Soviet republics in NATO, 3 more former Soviet republics pull in NATO (the Ukrainian mess on this subject is like that) is that not a creeping expansion ??? Although, yes, not creeping, but very fast ....
                      3. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian April 14 2016 21: 20
                        0
                        Well, the Union republics and even the Baltic states give independent states and their lands to whom and when they want.
          2. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 11: 28
            +3
            Algeria, according to the Algerians themselves (who live in London), is experiencing an invasion of the Chinese. Even the black Africans there are fewer now, and go on Africa! Repeat, this is from the words of local
      2. sisa29
        sisa29 April 13 2016 08: 45
        +2
        He was on a business trip in China precisely at production enterprises. What caught my eye: in the workshops, it’s hot, that’s why they drink beer, but all the empty bottles are lying around here, but in cities it’s clean, there are no people loitering around the city. And an example of an approach to ecology cannot be dealt with by the same galvanizing by private enterprises precisely so as not to pollute, all products required to be galvanized are brought to state enterprises, galvanized and taken back. On salaries, workers in production are about 400-500 eq. To the dollar. True, many are temporarily invited from order to order. Private enterprises are given only small plots of land for production, thus they are not allowed to grow. We have to buy land in several places in small pieces and divide production. This is the situation in Tsendau, I don’t know about other areas of China
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 38
          +2
          In vain you wrote about ZP 400-500 thalers! Breaking stereotypes about 1 thaler per day for a cup of rice and Mao portrait! Shock can happen in people! It’s good that you did not write about their low consumer prices, that for 100-150 thalers a month you can live there normally, that in the countryside for 15-20 thousand thalers you can buy a good house.
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 15
            0
            About the prices for crawling on roads, for education (in schools). Tell us how good it is in China, we'll all go.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 49
              0
              Who wanted to go already ... And do not regret ...
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 14 2016 12: 33
                0
                GDP per capita is lower than in Colombia and there is no need for stories about decent wages, their production would be stupidly unprofitable.
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar April 14 2016 14: 33
                  0
                  Well, believe further in a cup of rice and a portrait of Mao! Your vanity will not suffer ... What in Britain benefits are less than 400-500 Baku? Although I know less, namely 200 pounds per nose (for freebie clothes from the supermarket, freebie products, freebie housing, if the status of a political refugee if) ...
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian April 14 2016 19: 36
                    0
                    I also had a chance to talk with the Chinese (more precisely with the Hong Kong people), so unlike you, I’m not unfounded. Yes, why do all Chinese go to all overseas, obviously not to China? Even to Africa? And the allowance (for unemployment) is 78 pounds a week, plus housing (no more than 26000 a year) plus travel plus subsidies for dentistry and medicine.
      3. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian April 13 2016 11: 25
        +2
        Senegal, Angola, that is why people from there spoke to me. Very negatively black comments about the Chinese in their countries — they brazenly create columns of influence there. This is in Africa!
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 13 2016 12: 48
          +1
          There was such a word - "coolies" in the 19th century, hired workers out of poverty. And they were everywhere, including Africa, even in Russia (they came across the border of the Far East). Described in the literature many times. Coolies are Chinese and Indians

          Due to the rather expensive transportation of coolies, most of them settled in the places of their new employment and subsequently made up a significant proportion of the population of the newly independent states:
          South Africa 1,2 million or 2,5% of the population
          Trinidad and Tobago 40,3% of the population or 0,5 million people
          Guyana 43,5% (350 thousand)
          Suriname, where Indians now live together (37% or 167 thousand), Javanese (15% or 68 thousand) and Chinese (1% or 5 thousand)
          Chinese coolies brought to the Spanish colonies were mostly mixed with the local population and now do not stand out as a separate group.
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 12: 59
            +2
            Uh no. We are talking about those Chinese who have come over the past 15 years. Even savvy Africans openly call this the colonial corps. For state subsidies, they opened small shops, restaurants, relatives came, bought up land. And attempts are being made to create the voice of the diaspora in order to influence the natives. This is what African colleagues tell me. This all follows the large state-owned mega-projects, quarries, factories, agricultural complexes created by the Chinese abroad.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 47
              +2
              Colonist real (European) corps in Africa, Negro children were cut off their brushes for failure to fulfill the plan by their parents, and other "humane" actions ... The same was in the Arab colonies (in the same Algeria), in India, the Philippines, Indonesia ... etc. And the Chinese cut out the North American and South American Indians too ???
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 26
                0
                They corrode the local population in the same way, ousting them from participating in the economy. And by the way, the Chinese colonists are already aggressive towards the natives.
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 41
            0
            Railways in the USA in cowboy times were built on the bones of Chinese workers ...
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 55
              0
              Shaw, the Chinese have already cut off the brushes of their children to African children for their jambs, have they put the chains on blacks and taken away their passports ??? Yes! I lagged behind the realities!
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 14 2016 12: 35
                0
                You went outside Russia at least once? At least to Egypt?
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar April 14 2016 14: 36
                  0
                  At least to China, Singapore, the EU ...., well, Egypt (long ago), Turkey ...
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian April 14 2016 21: 11
                    0
                    And you didn’t notice that multiculturalism and ideas about revenge for colonial politics are nothing? Are you rubbing all about poor blacks? Get to know them better ...
              2. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 14 2016 12: 38
                0
                They do things like this — they drive their dads and mothers off the ground, drive them out of business and children with whole hands die like flies.
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar April 14 2016 14: 37
                  0
                  Without pens, with a bleeding wound, it is somehow more dreary to die ... Or is it more fun all the same ???
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian April 14 2016 21: 15
                    0
                    Why are you smearing the snot on the monitor-squeeze such a homeless kid into your house ... Wipe your nose off with the damned colonialists. And I do not care about his handles; I need gasoline inexpensively, coffee and wood on the floor.
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 39
          +1
          I do not like racists, especially blacks)))))))
          1. iConst
            iConst April 13 2016 16: 44
            +1
            Quote: Karlovar
            I do not like racists, especially blacks)))))))

            - The source is more humorous: Most of all I hate racism, and even blacks ... smile
            1. Kaban4ik
              Kaban4ik April 13 2016 18: 16
              +1
              I'm not a racist at all, but a person should be white)
        3. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 22: 51
          0
          Slightly missed, it was necessary for Black to speak about yellow ... I do not like racists, as well as blacks, and especially yellow ...
      4. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 00
        0
        The Chinese have transferred thousands (!!!) of enterprises to Vietnam alone, Vietnamese work for them ....
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 13 2016 15: 59
      0
      The population density in Germany, Britain is significantly higher than in China .... Information for consideration ...
  2. Anglorussian
    Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 08
    0
    Amers welfare will be higher.
  • DIMA45R
    DIMA45R April 13 2016 06: 50
    +2
    The plants will be transported and they will move.

    Nonsense, move to where you want to spoil? It’s normal for them in their homeland, it’s all built up, now they decided to clean it ...
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 50
      0
      A very logical question! Or you can ask another question - What bald will build a villa in the center of a landfill?
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev April 13 2016 07: 50
    +7
    Quote: Teberii
    The plants will be transported and they will move.

    Let Ulyukaev move with his wise men closer to the chemical plant fool
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 13 2016 20: 42
      0
      but nothing that we have cities that are the first places in the world by pollution
      Chelyabinsk, Ufa, Krasnoyarsk, Omsk, Angarsk, Magnitogorsk, Lipetsk, Cherepovets, Norilsk and Moscow and Saint Petersburg loom nearby? A third of our country lives near these chemical plants ..
  • Jagermeister
    Jagermeister April 13 2016 08: 52
    +1
    Quote: Teberii
    The plants will be transported and they will move.

    This is all blah blah blah ...
    Nobody will build anything with us.
    There is no labor. Who will work then. Tajiks?
    The local electorate will not go to the factories.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 April 13 2016 12: 34
      +4
      There is no labor. Who will work then. Tajiks?
      The local electorate will not go to the factories.
      ------------------------------------------
      don't be naive, they will transfer factories together with the staff. then there will be a real catastrophe in ten years. Demographic. With ensuing territorial claims. And by that time there will be others in the Kremlin, and it is not a fact that they are "guardians".
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 59
        +1
        In Vietnam, thousands of Chinese factories .... Vietnamese work for them! Managers, of course, the Chinese .... have the right to steer their plants ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 13 2016 16: 56
      0
      Also a very logical question! Factories need engineers (not holders of diploma papers), skilled workers (not legal economists and sales managers, just salespeople), experienced managers (not grabber and peacocks), from the word "manage" ....
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 41
    0
    Quote: Teberii
    The plants will be transported and they will move.

    I also thought, first chemical plants to us, and then quietly and grab land
  • Very old
    Very old April 13 2016 06: 18
    +13
    "... you Russians will not accept - the factories will leave ..."

    For me so - good riddance!
    In our ministries, of course, there are "guardians" of the domestic industry and import substitution
    Do we need this?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 13 2016 06: 36
      +6
      Quote: Very old
      Do we need this?

      Hottabych, do you and I need greenhouses in Ostanino? But in Shaidurich? there already the fish disappears on Sapa! poisoned all the fuck ... After all, someone has IT!
      1. Very old
        Very old April 13 2016 06: 41
        +9
        Those same "guardians" have

        Our river was ruined
        Where is our vacation, where is our fishing?
        In the Chelyabinsk region the Chinese grow tomato cucumbers - the local grab their heads - ruined the earth, ponds - and the authorities for a hairdryer
        1. midivan
          midivan April 13 2016 08: 28
          +3
          Quote: Very old
          Our river was ruined
          Where is our vacation, where is our fishing?
          In the Chelyabinsk region the Chinese grow tomato cucumbers - the local grab their heads - ruined the earth, ponds - and the authorities for a hairdryer

          but did not try to grab cuttings and pitchforks instead of the head? Well then, there’s no one to blame, until you think about yourself ............ but to the authorities by a hairdryer, the authorities should know about dissatisfaction first-hand and not on sites
          1. Very old
            Very old April 13 2016 08: 51
            +2
            IVAN, grabbed both the pitchfork and DRYNA ... on your own head
            According to local media and TV, the srach was lit
            And the result is always predictable.
          2. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 15: 12
            0
            What is invented for?
          3. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 15: 14
            0
            What is invented for?
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 01
          -1
          And whose tomato cucumbers, I apologize, do Chelyabinsk eat? They grab and eat at the head? How are hedgehogs?
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 31
            0
            The cheapness is driving the local small farmers out. Their lead is not supported by an expansionist state.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 13 2016 07: 25
        +11
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Very old
        Do we need this?

        Hottabych, do you and I need greenhouses in Ostanino? But in Shaidurich? there already the fish disappears on Sapa! poisoned all the fuck ... After all, someone has IT!

        I had Chinese greenhouses on my way to the cottage - the collective farm leased the local land in order not to work myself. There are no greenhouses for 8 years already, and even weeds do not grow in the fields - the desert .... Sam saw the Chinese sleeping on sacks of chymose ...
  • Roust
    Roust April 13 2016 06: 18
    +11
    China, hands off our Far East !!! Go to ... Alaska!
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 April 13 2016 06: 56
      +2
      Quote: Roust
      China, hands off our Far East !!! Go to ... Alaska!

      Alaska is also our land. Although given for temporary use. yes
      1. iConst
        iConst April 13 2016 16: 57
        +1
        Quote: pv1005
        Alaska is also our land. Although given for temporary use.

        - It is a myth. Alaska was sold. The decision was made at a secret meeting of the most distinguished persons.

        Motivation - report of the Governor General of Eastern Siberia Muravyov-Amursky (and later others) on the inevitability of the loss of these territories in a clash with British Canada or the United States and the inability to maintain and protect them.
    2. Very old
      Very old April 13 2016 06: 58
      +7
      request RuslanRoust, our deputies will not hear your cry, they live on another planet
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 13 2016 10: 34
      +2
      Yes, China should not say this, but our corrupt government. Where normal law is implemented, the Chinese behave in a completely civilized manner.
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 07
      0
      I have long understood that a nation’s everyday life will ruin this country, like a harmless, racism .... And no one most beautiful ruler will help .... How the Arab world has destroyed itself and continues to destroy the Sunni-Shiite squabbles ...
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian April 13 2016 17: 36
        +1
        Live in the society of victorious multiculturalism. Sure, like it.
  • Rust
    Rust April 13 2016 06: 26
    +9
    Russian with Chinese brothers forever? Better an orphan!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 13 2016 10: 36
      0
      In the proposal, I replaced the Chinese with our liberal. Further in the text and meaning.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 13 2016 06: 27
    +7
    Unfortunately, it can be so. Ecologists, officials and other "k / gum" eyes will be smeared with greenery and away we go ...
    The Chinese are not friendly with the environment. It is not for nothing that they say that breathing Beijing air for 24 hours is the same as smoking a pack of cigarettes.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 13 2016 10: 59
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      Unfortunately, it can be so. Ecologists, officials and other "k / gum" eyes will be smeared with greenery and away we go ...

      The joke is that fines for the environment are spread across budgets, and no one is engaged in reclamation. Yes, often, the amount of the fine is not enough for her.
      In the Moscow region there is no such garbage - they are forced to "do as it was"; I saw felling in the Vladimir region - the pines are cut down by ship trees, which Biron planted but there / suddenly / that which was cut down immediately is planted with young growth.
      But, damn it, the farther away from Moscow and from the tsar the more a star is, it’s not a fact that all bribes are taken completely, what for if you can collect fines into the regional budget and cut them already.
      Rosprirodnadzor considers it more efficient to oblige polluting enterprises to eliminate damage to the environment than to impose fines. Inspectors of Rosprirodnadzor should report to the state not by the amount of fines collected for violating environmental laws, but by hectares of reclaimed land, Natalia Sokolova, head of the state environmental supervision department of Rosprirodnadzor, said during a roundtable at the Moscow City Duma.
      “I’m trying to prove, to teach inspectors to justify, go to court and demand damages“ in kind ”, on the basis of the project of restoration remediation work, then we will report on the areas of the reclaimed land, and not on the amounts of the damage that was calculated and then found in court order, and there are billions of dollars there, ”N. Sokolova said.
      She explained that fines are an ineffective measure to combat pollution by environmental enterprises, because the funds received for environmental violations go to the local budget, where there is no target cost for the restoration of territories polluted by plants.
      “Payment for negative consequences for emissions - 20% goes to the federal budget, 40% to the regional and 40% to the local. Damage due to soil and water is also deducted to the local budget. Therefore, not a single inspector is interested in increasing the amount of the fine, he is interested in reducing the negative impact on the environment, ”N. Sokolova added.
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 13 2016 06: 31
    +9
    But which of these cabinet freaks will heed the voice of the people? Everything will be accepted - and evil plants and a million Chinese.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 13 2016 06: 33
    +12
    Our guardians for the bribe will drag everything to the Far East! In the series "Octopus" even mafiosi were against the import of dirt to their homeland! China has dirtied its country and is now climbing to us!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 48
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Our guardians for bribe will drag everyone to the Far East!

      Something I don’t understand, when the Germans build their plants, it’s good with us, the Americans build the plants too, but China is bad. What do you think about and when you write this?
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      ! China has dirtied its country and is now climbing to us!

      What dirtied? If about Beijing, then it was understandably able to from a large number of cars. And of course, a lot of them work on coal, which is why they are buying more and more gas.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 13
        0
        For people, the color of the plant matters: yellow is bad, white is good! Elementary racism (the superiority of the white race) is called everyday, so to speak ... And in the cities, yes, half of the problem is auto-exhaust ... like in other megalopolises of the world.
  • V.ic
    V.ic April 13 2016 06: 34
    +1
    Attention Banshee! "Hidden mate", not a costume for the holiday. / to the Chinese, of course! /
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 49
      -2
      Quote: V.ic
      e! "Hidden mate"

      Where is the mat?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 13 2016 18: 33
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where is the mat?

        Quote: V.ic
        "Hidden mate", not a costume for the holiday.

        "" Hit "in their mouth", not ... "For ... on their collar, not ...
        Shura, I beg you ... Is that why the second command language has no right to "place to be"?
        "... It is you, Vietnamese, lying in vain
        I clearly heard in the headset:
        "Kolya, press, and I'll cover!"
        "Vanya, hit, and I'll cover!"
        It was the Russian speaker that knocked me out. "
        According to this text, I "broke my fingers" on a 7-string guitar near the fire on May 25, 1972.
        However, you yourself provoked me ... It's up to you to decide. Six or seven. Banshee "drew" 6 / six /.
  • Yoshig
    Yoshig April 13 2016 06: 47
    +5
    The dog barks - the caravan goes on. It would be regrettable, but the residents of the Russian Federation will be asked about this last. The official will sell his signature on the permitting document and calmly leave for Switzerland. There, ecology is better and civilization is all the same.
    Then China smoothly populates the Far Eastern Federal District and annexes it to itself. Although it makes little sense to attach. The profit will go to China anyway, and let the Russian authorities themselves rake the consequences.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 06: 55
      +1
      Quote: Yoshig
      Then China smoothly populates the Far Eastern Federal District

      Show me the place where they populate here? Show me this place, I want to look at this place.
      Quote: Yoshig
      The profit will go to China anyway, and let the Russian authorities themselves rake the consequences.

      So in your opinion, if other countries are building factories with us, is it bad?
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy April 13 2016 07: 24
        +7
        And you will get out from Vladivostok and travel through villages and areas where they are engaged in agricultural work, but where there is a forest, and there you will find them, and even in Vladik in the sleeping areas of their dofig!
        As for the factories, it may not be bad, but because we having such an opportunity do not build our own, this is already worthless.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 07: 33
          0
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          And you will get out from Vladivostok and travel through villages and areas where they are engaged in agricultural work

          I'm not in Vladivostok right now. Traveled a lot in the villages, much more North Koreans than the Chinese. There was a problem with the Chinese greenhouses, now they have a strong cover for the shop, few of them remain.
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          and in Vladik itself in the sleeping areas of their dofig!

          Until fig Azerbaidzhentsev, although as I understand you are Vietnamese and Koreans also write in the Chinese, well, this is understandable, I also do not distinguish between them.
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          but that we having such an opportunity do not build our own,

          Who does not want to see the factories built, he will not see them.
          1. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy April 14 2016 04: 48
            -1
            And you are not in Primorye, but go to the Amur Region, to the EAO, to the Khabarovsk Territory and look there. Representatives of Central Asia and the Caucasus also have a sea, which does not detract from problems with the Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.
            What is one normal Russian plant built independently from scratch in the Far East over the past twenty years? I think you can’t.
            And Vladivostok is already called that way. As well as Khabarovsk has a bunch of popular names.
        2. Jagermeister
          Jagermeister April 13 2016 09: 00
          +1
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          And you will get out from Vladivostok and travel through villages and areas where they are engaged in agricultural work, but where there is a forest, and there you will find them, and even in Vladik in the sleeping areas of their dofig!
          As for the factories, it may not be bad, but because we having such an opportunity do not build our own, this is already worthless.

          Well, let's build.
          Waiting for
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 20
            0
            Who will build it? What shisha? It is much more comfortable to poplik from Moscow and Rostov in a tyrnet ... and more "patriotic" ...
        3. ruslan4448
          ruslan4448 April 13 2016 14: 19
          +1
          The residents of Primorsky call Vladivostok "Vlad", not "Vladik". There are not so many Chinese people, less than there were in the 90s. There are much more Uzbeks and Tajiks, and even more Caucasians. According to my estimates, about 5% of the population. Less than in Moscow, of course, but even 5-7 years ago they were SIGNIFICANTLY fewer. So who will settle us faster (I mean the whole of Russia) - the Chinese or the Central Asians - is a big question.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 22
            0
            In the Far East there is a large diaspora of Soviet (Russified) Koreans who re-settled even under the tsars ... They, too, I understood, were written by the Patriots in the "Kitaisi" ...
        4. ruslan4448
          ruslan4448 April 13 2016 14: 19
          +1
          The residents of Primorsky call Vladivostok "Vlad", not "Vladik". There are not so many Chinese people, less than there were in the 90s. There are much more Uzbeks and Tajiks, and even more Caucasians. According to my estimates, about 5% of the population. Less than in Moscow, of course, but even 5-7 years ago they were SIGNIFICANTLY fewer. So who will settle us faster (I mean the whole of Russia) - the Chinese or the Central Asians - is a big question.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 13 2016 15: 39
            +1
            About "Vlad" is absolutely right, the locals never call the city "Vladik".
            Quote: ruslan4448
            Uzbeks and Tajiks, all sorts of Caucasians.
            Uzbeks and Azeri generally the sea, trade, shops, markets are all under them, there are almost no Russians left in this area. As for the Chinese, these are mainly students of the international departments of the Voronezh State University of Economics and FENU, numerous tourists (especially in the summer), businessmen and government officials.
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 23
            0
            Of course, China))))))))))))))))))))))
      2. Leto
        Leto April 13 2016 07: 42
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show me the place where they populate here?

        And where do you live? If in Moscow, then yes, you can’t see.
        1. Jagermeister
          Jagermeister April 13 2016 09: 01
          +2
          Quote: Leto
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Show me the place where they populate here?

          And where do you live? If in Moscow, then yes, you can’t see.

          In Moscow, you can see. Go to the market.
      3. fif21
        fif21 April 13 2016 08: 09
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So in your opinion, if other countries are building factories with us, is it bad?

        It's good!!! But the question is, on what conditions and what plants! Look on the internet what Chinese farmers have done in the Volgograd region! And how many accidents were at Chinese chemical enterprises. Japanese factories, South Korean factories are what we should strive for.
        1. midivan
          midivan April 13 2016 08: 35
          +4
          Quote: fif21
          Japanese factories, South Korean factories are what we should strive for.

          well yes! so we will go far, maybe it is necessary to strive for our domestic plants?
          1. fif21
            fif21 April 13 2016 08: 56
            0
            Quote: midivan
            maybe it is necessary to strive for their domestic factories?
            This is what I had in mind! But Chinese factories cannot be role models. Need to strive for the best. hi
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        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 24
          0
          And the overseas uncle will allow South Koreans and Japanese to build factories in Russia ????
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  • kuz363
    kuz363 April 13 2016 06: 53
    +3
    "concerns the construction industry, energy, mechanical engineering, shipbuilding, chemical industry, textile industry, cement industry, telecommunications, agriculture", "
    According to the dangers of course here everyone mixed in a bunch. Well, what can be the harm from engineering, textile industry, telecommunications? Environmentalists often try to thicken their colors. For example, in the environmental part of projects, they take into account the hazards emitted during welding, painting of trunk pipelines, dustiness of air when digging trenches, emissions from construction equipment during construction, which are built in the steppe (!) At a distance from tens of hundreds of kilometers from the nearest villages! And these are not constantly emanating harmfulness, but only during the construction period. And what is happening in the auls themselves on ecology (landfills, lack of sewage and its cleaning) - they are not interested. Because the customer of the project pays money to the state for the considered hazards.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 13 2016 07: 19
      +2
      Environmentalists often try to thicken their colors.
      Okay. let's say everything will be environmentally friendly. And who will work at these factories? As someone great said: "Only fools think that Russia is for Russians."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 07: 33
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        And who will work at these plants?

        As well as in Japanese, German and American factories, Russians will work.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 35
        0
        It will be necessary to invite Americans, Germans, Swedes, Poles, British, Turks, Lithuanians, and other "white people" to work ... Although, the Turks should be deleted ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar April 13 2016 17: 33
      0
      The Chinese did not come out with a slit of their eyes and a blooming skin, that's all! Right now, I remember how in the 90s the young generation (my) "white people" sold their country with a boom, hooting, rallies, transporters ... for chewing gum, sneakers, amareto, Malvina jeans, leather jackets ... Now these people are gnawing at the realization of their stupidity at that time, but they cannot admit it out loud ... They come off with envy that the Chinese did not sell the country for beads ... PiSi: I did not go to the demonstration with transporters, moreover, I discouraged fellow students from going to rallies ...
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian April 13 2016 18: 17
        +1
        The Chinese are also not respectful of white-headed barbarians.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar April 13 2016 23: 05
          -1
          There are historical prerequisites ... A coalition of European great powers and Japan in the 19th century invaded China, and not vice versa ... And second, this aspect would be relevant if the Russian Federation was going to invest in China, and not vice versa.
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 14 2016 13: 02
            0
            Pay for colonialism ... Well, well. Tip, live among your favorite colored brothers and sisters, and see how it really works. Or do we believe in Soviet little books about fraternal peoples? By the way, the lands of the Russian Far East, the Chinese in their maps designate as the lands of China.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar April 14 2016 14: 58
              0
              Do you have access to maps of the PLA General Staff ??? Who, interesting ??? Well, in life you have to pay for everything, sooner or later! Yes, pay for colonialism! And for the Crusades. What essentially were the Crusades? - The predatory campaigns of uncultured and uneducated European tramps to the technological (Muslims then had universities, libraries, plumbing, sewage, science, technology), cultural, tsivi
              licked, with a developed economy, as a result, the rich Muslim world ... Who opened the first university in Europe, not in curiosity? Who founded the mathematics (the mother of all sciences), not curious? Astronomy, who founded, not in courses? Medicine in the modern sense, who founded not in courses? Chemistry? Yes, Arabs and Chinese and Indians knew that the Earth was round long before Galileo. Well, there’s a lot more.
              1. Ugrumiy
                Ugrumiy April 15 2016 00: 21
                +1
                Why do we need maps of the PLA General Staff !? In school textbooks and atlases, they do a good job of this, I have seen it.
              2. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 15 2016 00: 51
                0
                Yes, the trouble is, we Europeans had a greater strength. And we conquered them, and not vice versa. Why not stay in China? And yes, these are cards from school textbooks. And there was some kind of plumbing in Rome. And the sciences all went from the Greeks. And from the Arabs? Rather, from the great ukrov.
              3. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 15 2016 04: 41
                0
                The universities of Bologna and Oxford are considered the oldest in Europe, and they were not founded at all by your favorite oceders or even ancient Ukrainians.
                (which incidentally was more likely than the first option). Or do inkwells have their own version of history? Modern medicine-Romans craniotomy performed, not in curls?
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  • Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 13 2016 07: 28
    +4
    When will we begin to deal with national traitors as "enemies of the people"? maybe it's time to clone the "father of the peoples" comrade Stalin? he knew how not only to put the Anglo-Saxons in their place, but also Mao in his laborers was a "Cinderella" in a black body? And these "effective managers" - ministers like Ulyukaev or Trutnev (drone. Means a loafer and a quitter) can not really trade anything except their homeland !!!
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 13 2016 08: 43
      +1
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Trutnev (drone. Means a loafer and a loafer), except for the Motherland, they really cannot trade anything !!!
      Well, with Trutnev more careful, and judging by a surname to judge a person is so stupid at all.
    2. midivan
      midivan April 13 2016 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: KudrevKN
      When will we begin to deal with national traitors as "enemies of the people"? maybe it's time to clone the "father of the peoples" comrade Stalin?

      or maybe it's time to raise your jo.u from the computer and the ITT to leave alone? and at the very least at least a petition? and not sit and wait for Stalin to moan how bad everything is, that's all there is to learn and read, but here's an ambush, few people suggest doing anything, well, that’s understandable smile
    3. Jagermeister
      Jagermeister April 13 2016 09: 07
      +2
      Quote: KudrevKN
      When will we begin to deal with national traitors as "enemies of the people"? maybe it's time to clone the "father of the peoples" comrade Stalin? he knew how not only to put the Anglo-Saxons in their place, but also Mao in his laborers was a "Cinderella" in a black body? And these "effective managers" - ministers like Ulyukaev or Trutnev (drone. Means a loafer and a quitter) can not really trade anything except their homeland !!!

      You are somewhat mistaken in the fact that only some criminals, bribe-takers and embezzlers will sit there. LET'S SIT ALL TOGETHER. You will have the full opportunity to share the barrack with the same Ulyukaev, and Trutnev will share his thoughts with you sipping gruel .... together with Chubais you will cut down the forest ... you will also find a place there. There would be a man, but there will be a "case" for him.
  • Kaban4ik
    Kaban4ik April 13 2016 07: 35
    +5
    Carousel, carousel ... Mao - the poor fellow bargained, bargained, and now all this stuff will go back. All these industries came from the Union, our engineers built, laid, gave a start, and now from the lordly Chinese shoulder "here you guys".
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2016 15: 42
      0
      Yeah, Comrade Stalin turns over in his grave, looking at what Russia has come to. It never occurred to him that an advanced, self-sufficient superpower with developed industry and unquestioned authority would slide to the level of the Third World and would beg for at least some investments and at least some backward factories.
  • MOORE
    MOORE April 13 2016 07: 36
    +11
    No Chinese in the Far East. I personally saw in Khasansky district what remains after them! Get out of Primorye!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2016 15: 44
      0
      Shuvalov and Miklushevsky will not agree with you.
  • Leto
    Leto April 13 2016 07: 44
    +2
    The main trouble is not that the Chinese are all the crap they cannot breathe out for us, but that our officials will sign anything for bribes and will not find obvious violations of environmental standards during the day and night.
  • fif21
    fif21 April 13 2016 07: 50
    +5
    What will Russia have from this project? Whose raw materials will Chinese enterprises use? Product markets? Whose treasury will go taxes? ....? It turns out on our land, on our raw materials, our workers will create goods, the profits from the sale of which will go to China what Not economically, not politically, it is not profitable for Russia! Ideally, the creation of our own processing plant with access to the southeastern markets. Alternatively, joint ventures with a share of foreign capital not exceeding 49%. Not oil, but the products of organic synthesis to sell, not round timber, but a board, timber, "lining"!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: fif21
      Whose raw materials will Chinese enterprises use? Product markets? Whose treasury will go taxes? ..

      How hard it was, the Japanese built a plant, why didn’t you ask such questions ???
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 13 2016 08: 23
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How hard it was, the Japanese built a plant, why didn’t you ask such questions ???
        Compare Japanese car and Chinese, compare Japanese TV and Chinese, compare Japanese factory (any) and Chinese. We are not so rich people to buy cheap things! It is in Russia's interests to have modern production facilities created using advanced technologies on its territory, and to turn the territory of the Russian Federation into a garbage dump, as you know, it’s not the way it does. hi
        1. Jagermeister
          Jagermeister April 13 2016 09: 11
          +4
          Quote: fif21
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          How hard it was, the Japanese built a plant, why didn’t you ask such questions ???
          Compare Japanese car and Chinese, compare Japanese TV and Chinese, compare Japanese factory (any) and Chinese. We are not so rich people to buy cheap things! It is in Russia's interests to have modern production facilities created using advanced technologies on its territory, and to turn the territory of the Russian Federation into a garbage dump, as you know, it’s not the way it does. hi

          So compare.
          Japanese TV and Chinese are one and the same.
          You have a Chinese computer on your desk and a Chinese phone in your pocket.
          Not in this case.
          The Chinese will not build anything with us. It would be a desire for a long time to build everything. Output products will be more expensive than in China or Vietnam. This is another duck.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar April 13 2016 23: 08
            0
            People knocking on the Chinese clave and wailing the Chinese ... In the Russian Federation there is no clave Madeade Japan.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian April 14 2016 13: 04
              0
              People are in love with the Chinese in exchange for a keyboard.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 13 2016 11: 38
          -1
          Quote: fif21
          Compare Japanese car and Chinese, compare Japanese TV and Chinese,

          Japanese TV made in China wassat
  • Riv
    Riv April 13 2016 07: 51
    +2
    China really has extremely serious environmental problems. So serious that even solutions are not visible. Very soon, two-headed and four-armed Chinese will become commonplace. :)

    But there are nuances: these problems 1) have accumulated for decades and 2) they are clearly localized around metallurgical and chemical industrial areas. By a district is meant not a province, but industrial zones in which for tens of kilometers there are thermal power plants, workshops, railways, and other facilities. There, even grass cannot grow everywhere, and trees are a rarity. A plant cannot be built in the bare steppe. He needs electricity, steam, prepared water (at least three types of water, Karl!) And most importantly: trained labor.

    Therefore, if you build a plant in Russia, you will either have to: 1) create the entire infrastructure and bring in workers, 2) join the existing industrial zone. In the first case, the cost of output rises to heaven. In the second, environmental problems, as they were and will remain, will not go anywhere. But in this case there is no need to import the Chinese, you can hire local ones. That is, the benefit outweighs the possible harm.

    Well, all kinds of agricultural enterprises, supposedly destroying the soil, are a matter of control and correctly drawn up agreements. Well, the chickens are ridiculed: the Chinese take the land for 10 years, during this entire period they harvest excellent crops, and for the eleventh - for some reason there is no crop. Why? But because if you take care of the land, then it will give birth to a hundred years.
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg April 13 2016 07: 54
    +5
    In China, the environmental situation is awful. Been there more than once. I do not want to see the same at home. Naturally, the Chinese will come to the plants. And unlike Libya, they can do it on the bus. In Central Asia, the Chinese will live in isolation - try to take his bread from the Uzbek, but here, due to the low resistance of the population, they will crawl everywhere.
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 13 2016 07: 58
    +6
    And so for the Urals almost all dirty production was thrown off. In some cities he lived, worked or traveled: Shelekhovo, Angarsk, Usolye-Sibirskoe. Chemistry is continuous, it is impossible to breathe. The trees are gnawed. It is necessary to develop, but not chemical or steel mills. They are already there above the roof. You look: the dirtiest cities in the world, so the Chinese are leading. They will throw high-tech production here? Yeah, they run and slippers lose.
  • krops777
    krops777 April 13 2016 08: 03
    +2
    The transfer of Chinese production to the Far East is possible subject to full compliance with Russian laws, including environmental ones.


    And we have kapets, what are the harsh environmental laws and the responsibility for them is even harsher. lol
  • Спартак
    Спартак April 13 2016 08: 24
    +11
    I propose to build a couple of chemical plants in the suburbs closer to the villages of increased comfort ... Such an unexpected move for everyone to start draining their land from the capital!
  • Ru_N
    Ru_N April 13 2016 08: 41
    +1
    If we build new modern enterprises with joint funds, employ the local population there and pay taxes to our treasury, then we have investments in the development of our Far East. Moreover, such enterprises will be pre-loaded with orders. If you take it apart in China and collect the same plants from us (this option is hardly considered), then of course this does not suit us. Well and most importantly, very careful control over the entire implementation by the center, otherwise the new good-looking guys will trample on leaps and bounds.
  • Siberia
    Siberia April 13 2016 08: 52
    +5
    This is madness! What the hell is China to us as a brother and partner ?! There is absolutely no benefit for Russia and the people to locate harmful Chinese industries (yes, albeit harmless ones) on their territory! Officials who will participate in lobbying for such a "move" will certainly fill their pockets with greenery. Today, Chinese manufactures will move to us, where only Chinese will work (someone believes that Russians will work there, but what about the language barrier? And the Chinese production is high-tech and don't let an inept Russian man break expensive equipment and who then is for it will they pay?), tomorrow these Chinese will drag their families with children, in a year there will be Chinese cities on the territory of the DF, then these Chinese will give birth to their children in our territory and their children will already consider it their home, in the future they will hold a referendum (direct as we are in the Crimea) and the entire DF and part of Siberia goes to China. If it does not work out peacefully, then China will use force (remember the conflict with China on Damansky Island and its results).
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 13 2016 08: 54
    +1
    It would be nice if the authorities were looking for benefits for the country, and not for their beloved ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 13 2016 09: 22
    0
    People. and what are you unhappy with? How long have everyone been screaming, fool us this west, we will be friends with China. Here is the government and fulfills popular requests.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 13 2016 09: 25
    0
    So far, I’ll remind you, we don’t have any agreement, there are no economic calculations, and in general, just talking about how useful or not useful for the environment, without seeing numbers, without seeing any specific calculations, is absolutely my opinion, empty talk. And now China benefits more from them, because it is looking at what Russia is thinking about when it talks about transferring Chinese plants to Russia. ”


    The ministry also clarified that cooperation with China does not imply priority for this country. Russia works with Japan, and with South Korea, and with Australia, and with India. In turn, the Chinese side does not consider the Russian Far East as the only territory for localization of capacities.

    Say, if it doesn’t cut through, then I didn’t really want to.
  • Million
    Million April 13 2016 09: 58
    +2
    Someone would ask Putin a question about this on air tomorrow .. But censorship will not pass or we will hear the standardly prepared answers to uncomfortable questions
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 13 2016 10: 03
    +4
    China goes to the level of Japan in the 80s -
    withdrawal of metallurgy and primary chemistry from the country
    and transition to high-tech industries.
    Where they will lead out is unclear, but they will.
    One way or another, near Russia grows industrial
    the giant is a new superpower.
    This is an unusual reality for Russia.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 13 2016 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This is an unusual reality for Russia.

      Why so unusual? The whole EU is essentially an industrial giant, we are buying everything from them, and what we cannot take from China and the USA.
      It’s just that everyone is accustomed to considering China a country of consumer goods and rags and small things, but living with the understanding that China has already grown and is changing is difficult. They will go everywhere to high-tech industry, leave some of the simple ones for the domestic market, take out the rest - free up territories and clean up the environment - a very correct and logical policy.

      Z.Y. We have so far the opposite - all the screwdrivers and heavy ones are dragged to themselves, any Mr. just to bring money.
  • Kernel
    Kernel April 13 2016 10: 09
    +2
    Steel prices on world markets have been falling in recent years. What then is the benefit? I have not heard about the additional needs of Russia in steel. This is not a Leninist period - "There are no nails in G-state!"
    With the development of this project, we will no longer be able to scoop clean snow into the pot for cooking on the hunt.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 April 13 2016 10: 11
    +2
    All this is the result of irresponsibility. Well, * those who missed * will resign, and they won’t get everything, even in the face, despite the harm done and the created meanness.
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 13 2016 10: 16
    +2
    In China, only 9% of the land is suitable for agriculture. Since 2008, they have been working on a land lease program abroad. Mostly Africa - Tanzania, Cameroon, Zimbabwe, Congo, Zambia. Brazil with agricultural products fared in time - it seems they are the largest supplier to the Chinese market. In my opinion, the Brazilian option would be more acceptable to us than Cameroon. But alas ...
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 13 2016 10: 20
    +3
    Own plants need to be built, own agricultural. And with the Chinese - as in the fairy tale about the fox and the hare will be. And you need to find money for this, since there is where to get it. It will be necessary - and print. For industrial development, not for consumption mainly, and this inflation will not accelerate. Eastern Siberia and the Far East must be developed and populated, inviting Russians from everywhere. And not only Russians. And crush corrupt officials so as not to trash the country.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 13 2016 10: 33
    -1
    Quote: Portolan

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Can one look at ruined nature by officials? For now, I see ruined nature by our people, who cut down forests in thousands of hectares. I see dumps and dumps and it was not Chinese women and officials who did this.

    yes you are a sophist

    Yes, he’s not a sophist, but he’s an idler, with claims, though he’s nature is delicate, vulnerable, so be careful with him, otherwise he’ll be offended and will bring you into emergency situations. He is, he can.
  • Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 13 2016 10: 46
    +3
    Quote: Portolan
    we have enough strength and mind to do our home without Japanese and Chinese, and attracting these capital and economies to our land is not a right and harmful policy

    That's right, we litter the Far East only with our native waste! fellow
    Seriously, if we don’t have enough mind to control foreign investors for environmental issues, why did you wise guys decide that we could control our capitalists.
    And if enough, then what's the difference with what money the plant is built? Environmental standards are the same for all.
  • AleksM1974
    AleksM1974 April 13 2016 11: 30
    +3
    Well this is how one should not love one’s own people, and a country in order to pass such laws. The Chinese and I have never been friends and we will not be for them people who live on their territory they are hammering it from school.
    And yes, in our Amur Region, even after the Chinese farmers in the fields, even the grass does not grow.
    It is necessary to develop your own.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 13 2016 11: 39
    0
    The entire staff of the Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East, except for the cleaners, is in full force for such a development of the Far East to our "Black Dolphin" for permanent residence.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok April 13 2016 11: 52
    0
    It just so happened that for the authorities (any authorities, in any country, Russia is no exception) - people are a resource. A resource that you can use as you like. Therefore, you can do everything. Pollute the environment About the consequences, few bother.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 April 13 2016 12: 14
    +2
    Classical Chinese policy of small steps. Squeezed little by little. The proposal is the expectation of a reaction on our part. Yeah, they gave up the slack, squeezed their sides. And there, bogged down with a claw, an abyss to the whole bird.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 13 2016 12: 45
    0
    In addition, the Chinese have so polluted their own nature with their industries that the decision to withdraw harmful industries, of course, is also associated with attempts to correct the environmental situation. It would never occur to anyone to consider, for example, the Chinese chemical industry as environmentally friendly.
    ....... the transformation of the Russian sparsely populated region into a “third world” region with outdated industries and dirty ecology is not a pleasant prospect.

    It is incomprehensible to the mind what the greed for profit pushes "people"! For such a prospect, so attractive as kickbacks for our bureaucracy, all these figures promoting the implementation of SUCH a prospect should be PUT TO THE WALL, considering this act as a CRIME!
  • MegaDRON
    MegaDRON April 13 2016 13: 04
    +1
    In addition, priority should be given to suppliers and contractors from the Russian Federation


    It turns out that they bought ore from us at the price of stones, they immediately processed it on our land with our own hands, they threw off production waste to us, and they sent themselves clean little blanks .... This is BRIEF!
  • Error
    Error April 13 2016 13: 27
    +2
    With our honest servants of the people, there is no and no again! And Vladivostok is already in China, no one is given to the couple, our grandmothers lead a Chinese woman to kindergarten! And the worst thing is that they are not assimilated anywhere, and it scares me terribly because we are neighbors with a population like Japan
  • iouris
    iouris April 13 2016 13: 59
    0
    The launch of environmentally dirty industries, previously launched in China, does not mean that this is a profitable business. You have to pay fines for environmental pollution. This full means the loss of sovereignty.
  • Grave of B. Cross2
    Grave of B. Cross2 April 13 2016 15: 36
    +4
    Well, that has begun ... it has long begun. This is called a simple word - expansion. First, the factories with the Chinese, then the Chinese army to protect them. The fool is clear. I think everyone in the Kremlin understands this. Only they do not care.
    Chinas are preparing for war with us - this is understandable to any fool. I will not be unfounded.
    "Selected PLA motorized rifle units are conducting military exercises on the borders with Russia (translation of material from Chinese sources).
    The motorized rifle brigade of the 39th Army of the Shenyang Military District (which is deployed in the north of the country, near the border with Russia) conducted military exercises in winter conditions.
    With heavy snowfalls and low temperatures, motorized rifle formations of the ground forces continue to conduct military exercises to improve troops in "real combat conditions"
    It is noteworthy that it is the snowy terrain and severe frosts, according to the Ministry of Defense of China that are “real combat conditions”. A reasonable question arises, with what enemy is the Celestial Empire going to fight? Obviously not with Taiwan.
    In addition, facts such as the solid military budget of China, the continuous modernization and purchase of modern military equipment, and the conduct of exercises with the transfer of troops over long distances greatly displace the balance of forces with the northern neighbor. According to the Chinese themselves, the so-called "union" with Russia is nothing more than a temporary phenomenon and will be used to achieve economic and military superiority. And then, under the influence of sanctions, the Russian government will agree to any conditions with the Middle Kingdom. This is the real point of view of the Chinese, which for obvious reasons is not published by the official media.
    Original article from the website of the Ministry of Defense of China:
    高清: 第 39 集团军 机 步 旅 新兵 漫天 飞雪 中 训练
    2 月 22 日 , 辽 南 地区 普降 大雪 , 气温 骤降。 陆军 第 39 集团军 某 机 步 旅 充分 抓住 这 One 有利 时机 开展 实战 化 训练 , 不断 锤炼 部队 作战 能力。 (姜云峰 摄影 报道) "
  • Zeeke
    Zeeke April 13 2016 16: 15
    +4
    On the territory of the Russian Federation there is already a certain amount of agricultural land with Asian owners. After these lands, the land becomes unsuitable for growing any kind of culture, not to mention the rivers nearby. If you are not afraid of land depletion, then go ahead.
    1. puffnutiy
      puffnutiy April 14 2016 16: 33
      0
      Can I have more details about these territories? Just when there is no specifics of what and where, it seems that the person took the information from the air. We are not personally acquainted with you, and in our already half-electronic world it is difficult to trust information, and which I do not see anything but a nickname on the site, excuse me.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 13 2016 16: 44
    +4
    "Transfer of Chinese production to the Far East possible subject to full compliance with Russian laws, including environmental. In these industries, 80% of employees must be Russians. In addition, priority should be given to suppliers and contractors from the Russian Federation "...

    The most complete and irresponsible verbiage ...

    Firstly, we ourselves do not comply with our own environmental legislation in most cases, although we have it - well, just sooooo soft, compared to some "rotten West" ...

    Secondly, not only will the ecology creature come, so in addition they will work there, contrary to the assurances of the Ministry for the Development of the East, the Chinese, and not the Russians ...

    As for the ecology and benefits: near me (Central Federal District !!!) there is a cement plant with our workers, littering the whole district, BUT (!!!) 75% of production goes to Europe, only the money goes to the account of the German owner .. According to the agreement, in 25 years from the moment the plant was launched, it will become the property of the Russian Federation (well, or the Russian-Russian owner) ... Thank you, "friends" are Germans !!!

    So the products from the proposed facilities will not go to us, but anywhere, bringing profit to the Chinese ...

    Enterprises with the Chinese are, in addition, the peaceful expansion of our territory ... And if then it is not "peaceful" to take it away, then it will make a mess so that then even the dead will not need this territory ...

    No ... Better to build your own factories, and let our workers work for them ... And only the enemies of Russia can accept such a Chinese option, however, trying to wrap it in a beautiful candy box ...
  • Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 13 2016 17: 57
    +3
    Jagermeister! Well, we are like a worker-peasant black bone, naturally, to the cutting area! But about the citizens Trutnev and Ulyukaev I strongly doubt - even if they are "identified", it is most likely in "fat": there are books to issue or to measure rations in a bread slicer! But the question is: Who will "determine" - our Power or the Chinese People's Power?
  • starhina01
    starhina01 April 13 2016 21: 18
    0
    in the pursuit of profit, you should never forget about the future.
    and most interestingly, the future will come, but the past will not return !!!
  • Amper
    Amper April 13 2016 22: 14
    +1
    It is necessary to clone Stalin, Person 20!
    I want blood, reports of mass recognition of the upper echelons of espionage and the application of the highest measure of state protection .. am
    1. puffnutiy
      puffnutiy April 14 2016 16: 12
      0
      We need about 50 managers from North Korea. They will come, give everyone a gun, send a bag of cartridges and send them to the ministries (I apologize, could not resist).
  • Grave of B. Cross2
    Grave of B. Cross2 April 13 2016 22: 17
    0
    He served in the Far East, what is being done in relation to China is a betrayal of our country. I give an interesting link to those who care about all this and who do not see our elder brothers in China ...
    "Good afternoon, Siberians and Far Easterners.
    I continue to monitor the Internet on the topic of Chinese influence of China on Siberia and the Far East. One of the latest news concerns the "expansion" of cooperation between Russia and the Celestial Empire, or as the Russian establishment likes to call it, "Turn to the East."
    It turns out that Galushka agreed (he can write a whole blog about his negotiation skills) ... There is a pause ... to transfer Chinese metallurgical and chemical ones !!! factories in the Far East.
    This is cool: it helped China to clear up the ecological situation (everyone heard about the Beijing smog), created industrial enclaves in its territory (who will work there, Russian engineers, or something). I wonder how much Galushka received for such an anti-people treaty and who benefits from the Chinese creeping expansion?
    Who knows what on the subject, please, in the comments (Kremlin bots, please do not write).
    Regards, Kim Jong "
    https://www.facebook.com/otechestvo.sibir
    Photo: smok in Beijing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 14 2016 06: 09
      0
      Quote: Grave of B. Cross2
      Regards, Kim Jong "

      Simple Russian patriot Kim John
  • Nasty
    Nasty April 13 2016 22: 26
    0
    Quote: Karlovar
    To industrialize, I think, I think, for a trillion Baku rubles! Money where to get ???? West lending to Russian corporations covered (sanction), but the denyushka does not grow on the tree!

    What are you, other? Money will end sooner or later, but the factories will remain.