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American robotic "Sea Hunter" (video)

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Last week, DARPA Corporation unveiled a new unmanned ship ("Antisubmarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel", ACTUV) "Sea Hunter", which, according to the developers, will allow the US Navy to track in the ocean expanses of stealth submarines, transmits RIA News.


American robotic "Sea Hunter" (video)


“ACTUV is a small vessel with a length of about 40 meters and a displacement of 140 tons. The ship can dodge obstacles and can reach speeds up to 50 kilometers per hour, ”says a report from the Business Insider portal.

According to the resource, “the vessel is equipped with a sophisticated sonar system that can detect silent submarines as well as torpedoes.” The “hunter” will transmit the received information to the control center and the closest ships of the US Navy.

Its daily operation will cost the fleet at $ 15-20 thousand. “This is very inexpensive compared to systems with a crew on board. For example, a Nimitz-type aircraft carrier’s working day costs $ 1,1 million, ”said Pentagon Deputy Head Robert Wark.

“The ship can be used in the South China Sea, in the Baltic Sea, in the Persian Gulf. It can be operated in the middle of the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Such ships will be everywhere, ”he added.

So far, the drone has passed only some preliminary tests. Full-scale testing will begin this summer. The military expects to get the ship into service for 2018.

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 30
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    American robotic "Sea Hunter"
    what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 12 2016 09: 35
      +17
      already completely obsessed with their exceptionalism, now they want to shove this crap into every corner of the world

      “The ship can be used in the South China Sea, in the Baltic Sea, in the Persian Gulf. It can be operated in the middle of the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Such ships will be everywhere, ”he added.

      . . . Take and protect ONLY your continent. . .
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 April 12 2016 09: 44
        +12
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?

        Unmanned underwater bolt .... laughing Near Vladivostok, the research institutes and the base of sea UAVs were organized.

        Although it is interesting what happened to other epic developments .... such as a homing bullet ... a laser gun that should shoot down rockets ... a microwave gun of no lethal effect. Where are the railguns of the sea?

        Scho, it really does not work without hollywood ... winked

        Does not work?
        1. bulvas
          bulvas April 12 2016 09: 56
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          American robotic "Sea Hunter"
          what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?


          We need automatic systems for the protection of water areas, this is understandable

          The waters are huge, but a full fleet cannot be pulled


        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 58
          0
          Quote: Sid.74
          Unmanned underwater bolt .... Under Vladivostok, research institutes and the base of drones organized.

          Here it is, zachotno. yes
        3. Byshido_dis
          Byshido_dis April 12 2016 10: 40
          0
          A very interesting idea, actually. Small ships with a long cruising range, with huge usable space, without a crew, with a bunch of electronics on board. Plus cheap operation and savings on a live crew. If such ships are launched wherever possible, then the secrecy of submarines in the seas will decrease significantly. On the other hand, how will such ships operate in a storm? Or only for seas and coastal areas? And most importantly, how do such ships "keep" electronic warfare? As a variant of the struggle, develop electronic warfare torpedoes that will simply move behind such a ship.
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          2. bulvas
            bulvas April 12 2016 10: 52
            +1
            Quote: Byshido_dis
            A very interesting idea, actually. Small ships with a long cruising range, with huge usable space, without a crew, with a bunch of electronics on board. Plus cheap operation and savings on a live crew. If such ships are launched wherever possible, then the secrecy of submarines in the seas will decrease significantly. On the other hand, how will such ships operate in a storm? Or only for seas and coastal areas? And most importantly, how do such ships "keep" electronic warfare? As a variant of the struggle, develop electronic warfare torpedoes that will simply move behind such a ship.



            Problems with the storm are easy to solve - a sealed enclosure and self-healing during rollover. There are such boats.

            Even if I’m wrong, it’s much easier for a ship without a crew to survive the storm.

            Yes, and such a vessel is cheaper both in construction and in operation.

            This also applies to ship loss.


            1. Byshido_dis
              Byshido_dis April 12 2016 11: 15
              +1
              Another point in the case of jamming on all channels and the sinking of this ship will be considered an act of aggression? Or is there no witnesses no case?
          3. Dam
            Dam April 12 2016 10: 54
            +3
            As an option, a cheap fishing trawl. Rescue teams are tortured to send to all corners of the world
      2. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa April 12 2016 10: 08
        +19
        what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?
        Unmanned means nobody. You can organize scrap metal collection points along the coast with a good price. Part of the drones will certainly be in Dagestan - with broken numbers and low landing. laughing
        1. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson April 12 2016 13: 01
          +3
          also thought that in 2 years these trimarans will already be working on new owners on all coasts as transport))
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 12 2016 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        take and protect your continent ONLY
        These defenders of the Fatherland manage to launch these boats into the gutter, which dill and dig dill along the border with Russia, from the Belorussian Sea to the Rostov Mountains.
      4. Seaman77
        Seaman77 April 12 2016 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        The ship can be used in the South China Sea


        But what about the MPPSS?

        Let them send him to the South China Sea. He will "hang" there in half an hour - he diverges with Chinese fish according to the rules ... laughing
    2. Oberon812
      Oberon812 April 12 2016 09: 43
      +1
      Traffic light buoy (with lifelong red signal)
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 12 2016 09: 48
      +3
      An evil construction battalion with crowbars and fittings will arrive in a blue helicopter and will unravel everything in half. So the drone does not work. At least you need a platoon of marines. And how much non-ferrous metal is there ... At the station you can recruit a whole team of homeless drones-killers
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 12 2016 09: 53
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      “The ship can be used in the South China Sea, in Baltic the sea in the Persian Gulf. It can be exploited in the middle of the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Such vessels will be everywhere, ”he added.

      Yeah. Until the first meeting with our naval aviation! laughing Then, with "pride" he will repeat the fate of "Donald Cook".
    5. Finntroll
      Finntroll April 12 2016 10: 09
      0
      "Status 6" laughing A robotic sea hunter for especially snickering coastal countries. Not? Well, or the old fashioned way from the Putin Kraken basin ... smile Anyway, the destroyer will sail next to the super-drone and not one for sure, so for now this is only a good radio-controlled toy.
    6. VadimL
      VadimL April 12 2016 10: 21
      +2
      What answer? A Su-34 aircraft with an EW hanging container, an outboard fuel tank and 2-3 adjustable bombs.
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      2. bulvas
        bulvas April 12 2016 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: VadimL
        What answer? A Su-34 aircraft with an EW hanging container, an outboard fuel tank and 2-3 adjustable bombs.



        A plane, bombs - it’s understandable, but as long as there are no military operations it’s impossible to destroy a ship,

        and he will track the boat. Judging by the speed, he can accompany the boat constantly and monitor its position and condition

        But each ship will not fly its own plane

        It remains to hide under the ice


    7. WKS
      WKS April 12 2016 10: 22
      +3
      Well, if it dodges obstacles and there is no crew on it, then a "friendly" crew must be dropped there from the helicopter, and after the "tuning" of the equipment by the helicopter, they must be picked up. Especially in the Baltic or the Black Sea.
    8. Corsair
      Corsair April 12 2016 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?

      probably torpedoes of passive action, they will drift at decent depths until such an enemy prodigy or ship is discovered, then turn on the active engine and torpedo / jam / intercept control. fellow
      1. Aviagr
        Aviagr April 12 2016 11: 55
        0
        This is the glider mine with the ammunition in the form of a torpedo. But the glider missile carrier with missiles such as C-8 or C-13 will be more versatile for hitting both such katerkov and antennas, carrier-based aircraft and other low-security elements on ships. With a simplified homing head, it will be possible to shoot at helicopters, as well as at launch / landing aircraft on aircraft carriers.
        Gliders are the most promising weapon of the future at sea.
    9. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas April 12 2016 11: 05
      +3
      In two words, it is a mobile hydrological buoy.
      What could be entered into the boat with a displacement of 1 t, well, let it be written in 10 t, in the 140 t trimaran.

      Looking at this child prodigy, for some reason I wanted to shout - Sala to Ukraine!
      Dbl, bld.
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    11. mitya24
      mitya24 April 12 2016 11: 50
      +1
      I don’t know what the answer will be in the Russian Federation, but the USSR would have assigned to each "hunter" a decommissioned fishing laiba and she would puff next to him dear, drowning everything around with the noise of its screws and machines.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 12 2016 09: 31
    +12
    The video is powerful, yeah, it really reveals the issue of drone operation. smile Particularly pleased with the people on board the drone.

    "Its daily operation will cost the fleet $ 15-20 thousand." This is very inexpensive compared to systems with a crew on board. For example, a day of operation of an aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type costs $ 1,1 million, "- said the deputy head of the Pentagon Robert Work. "

    And what does the aircraft carrier have to do with it? ISS is even more expensive.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 12 2016 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "Nimitz" costs $ 1,1 million, "- said the deputy head of the Pentagon Robert Work."

      Duc from the Aircraft Carrier is disproportionately more than from this vessel. Why compare horseradish with a finger?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 12 2016 14: 06
        0
        Quote: GSH-18
        Why compare horseradish with a finger?

        So I am about this, probably, so that the "cheapness" was visible to the naked eye.
  3. DIMA45R
    DIMA45R April 12 2016 09: 31
    +6
    From the movie Water World, removed the sail and set the engines, there are no screen plans for you
  4. ava09
    ava09 April 12 2016 09: 36
    +10
    An excellent radio-controlled target for surface ships and aircraft ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 12 2016 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: ava09
      An excellent radio-controlled target for surface ships and aircraft ...

      Yes, with the help of our electronic warfare, you can easily turn it over to our Russian Navy! Amerobespilot in the Crimea, our successfully planted good
  5. brasist
    brasist April 12 2016 09: 37
    +3
    More like a pleasure yacht.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 12 2016 09: 39
    +2
    Now it is clear what a visitor under the flag of the United States was trying to brag about the other day - "And we have what we have!".
    Its daily operation will cost the fleet $ 15-20 thousand

    The Americans have everything "cool": the picture (probably Hollywood attracted), and the amount of greenbacks, and the impact on the consciousness of the average American. Looking at this, we probably need to get scared and return all the nuclear submarines to their bases.
  7. mpzss
    mpzss April 12 2016 09: 40
    +2
    everything is simple, you need to find a way to drown out the GPS, I think that this "miracle" is driving along it, if you drown out the system, then this boat will simply not know where it is, with all the ensuing consequences ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 12 2016 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: mpzss
      if you drown the system

      That boat will use only the main, inertial.
      1. gringo
        gringo April 12 2016 10: 20
        0
        it will, of course, only what is the point in it if the task of this unit is to detect and transmit data. and if he as a routine will ride on the program so let him. such a flying Dutchman will succeed.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 12 2016 12: 37
          0
          Well, for example, the old Soviet BRM-1K also quite "detected and transmitted" to itself, using an exclusively inertial navigation system and a gyrocompass. And without any ZhPS.
  8. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 12 2016 09: 41
    +7
    Already discussed recently.
    I'm interested in something else
    The ship can be used in the South China Sea, in the Baltic Sea

    Is it possible for an inquisitive Russian or Chinese, etc. there is no sailor-fisherman on board the sledge hammer in order to "see" what the hell .. request I'm not talking about professional sailors in uniform.
    "Stick" by chance a beacon with a mine and let it float ..
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 12 2016 09: 47
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      Is it possible for an inquisitive Russian or Chinese, etc. there is no sailor-fisherman on board the sledge hammer in order to "see" what the hell ..

      The main thing is to find armor that can withstand aircraft guns.

      System. Many people tend to forget that the system has been working for a long time, and not individual weapons. The field kitchen is also not particularly armored and armed. But I would not call her defenseless.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda April 12 2016 09: 51
        0
        Antennas and radars above the wheelhouse will not be difficult to dig up. bully
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 12 2016 10: 00
          -1
          Heroically. And then to rake a couple of bursts of air guns and wait for the boarding team in a helicopter.
          1. gringo
            gringo April 12 2016 10: 16
            +3
            if this thing will go within the helicopter’s flight, then what kind of x is it for, will the air gun stand directly on it?
            1. Leto
              Leto April 12 2016 10: 50
              -1
              Quote: gringo
              if this thing will go within the helicopter’s flight, then what kind of x is it for, will the air gun stand directly on it?

              This is an anti-submarine drone, its task is to search for enemy submarines day and night, of course, from a helicopter, too, but more expensive and more outfit will be required. The fact that he wanders alone does not mean that you can freely swim to him and capture him, there will obviously be someone nearby who hands on.
              1. gringo
                gringo April 12 2016 11: 03
                0
                in my boat Orion is looking. here on all resources on which either Petya or a submarine with the Kyrgyz Republic versus AUG were opposed. Everyone writes that the orions open from 600 km of the boat. And what is the detection range of this thing? And it’s clear that this is an anti-submarine drone, the question was that if someone landed on it, the helicopter with the boarding team would immediately fly and defeat everyone. Therefore, I ask if it will be in the area of ​​responsibility of the AUG with a helicopter and rex why it is needed. Orions and sonars of ships and so they see everything for 600 km
                1. Leto
                  Leto April 12 2016 14: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: gringo
                  in my boat Orion is looking.

                  Not only Orions, the US anti-submarine range is very wide. This is just a new tool that does not cancel the former.

                  Quote: gringo
                  Everyone writes that the orions open from 600 km of the boat.

                  Well, pour a little. Above 600 km. it is very difficult to identify a submarine that has surfaced; there are a lot of objects that can be confused in the sea-okraian, including a dead whale and a container washed overboard. RSL is not scattered over such an area.

                  Quote: gringo
                  And what is the detection range of this thing?

                  While there is no open data, it depends on what passive and active means are used, whether there is a towed GAS again.

                  Quote: gringo
                  And it’s clear that this is an anti-submarine drone, it was just a question that if someone landed on it, a helicopter with a boarding team would immediately fly in and defeat everyone.

                  The fact that it is equipped with optical and radar detection tools for surface targets does not go to a fortuneteller, when unidentified objects appear, the alarm will immediately work and the operator will see who is coming from and needs help. If the connection is broken, he will do it right away.

                  Quote: gringo
                  Therefore, I ask if he will be in the area of ​​responsibility of the AUG with a helicopter and rex why he is needed.

                  In addition to the AUG, there are many places where you can use this device, bases for example, where it is cheaper than a helicopter to drive or the same Orion.
      2. gringo
        gringo April 12 2016 10: 28
        0
        nobody sets the field kitchen task to go to Indian territories and conduct reconnaissance events. but in general it is not clear how this relates to the law of the sea, all the same, safety of navigation is a serious thing, but this device does not understand how it will react, especially in the straits or in the Baltic Sea
    2. Leto
      Leto April 12 2016 10: 51
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      Is it possible for an inquisitive Russian or Chinese, etc. there is no sailor-fisherman on board the sledge hammer in order to "see" what the hell ..

      Such systems do not work unattended.
  9. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 12 2016 09: 41
    +1
    Well, all this is certainly interesting and promising, probably. But he is defenseless. Yes, and they can simply take me away. Then prove that he himself did not swim in other people's waters. And if the squadron is not far away, then a bulky and expensive probe is obtained.
    I don’t want to, I don’t want to downplay the merits of the engineers who created it, but honestly, I don’t understand how to use it in practice. Flying intelligence. the drone is cheap in comparison with this, and there are already thousands of them at all, but here the whole ship.
    1. Altona
      Altona April 12 2016 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Observer 33
      Well, all this is certainly interesting and promising, probably. But he is defenseless. Yes, and they can simply take me away. Then prove that he himself did not swim in other people's waters.

      -----------------------
      And if he is captured by Somali pirates, then what? Now they are advanced people, they have ships of various classes and various electronic communication and detection systems. They are far from being suckers. Well, if not captured, then shot from onboard machine guns. In principle, this ship is not protected by anything, they even have destroyers with tin people who rammed boats with explosives and successfully broke holes on board.
  10. Abbra
    Abbra April 12 2016 09: 43
    +1
    Sail quietly on a rubber boat, take control of all the equipment and steal in Somalia ...
    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis April 12 2016 11: 18
      0
      on a rubber boat at a speed of 50 km / h ??? Yes you are a joker)))
  11. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod April 12 2016 09: 46
    0
    Aerial drones planted and this underwater pipelac (shy)
  12. black
    black April 12 2016 09: 47
    +2
    He can detect a torpedo. Which is right on board, goodbye. I still know the boys, who are sure to steal this boat for spare parts.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 12 2016 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: black
      I still know the boys, who are sure to steal this boat for spare parts.
      Well, what kind of parts are there? And who needs such an engine that will fit only for large vessels, and even then not for everyone. Direct path to him, to the bottom. Yes, and disassemble the electronics, only spoil it. It’s like in a saying: To teach a fool, only to spoil. In short, he and his brothers have one road to the bottom of the sea.
  13. Shuttle
    Shuttle April 12 2016 09: 48
    +3
    Its daily operation will cost the fleet $ 15-20. “This is very inexpensive compared to systems with a crew on board. For example, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier costs $ 1,1 million a day, ”said Pentagon Deputy Chief Robert Work.


    We compared a drone with a displacement of 140 tons to a floating city-airfield in 100.000 tons. It is stupid almost 1000 times more. A thousand times, Karl!

    There is one crew for 5680 people. Even if feeding each crew member from the captain to the last sailor of the Nimitz, each pilot and aircraft mechanic will cost no more than 10 bucks a day, they will simply digest at least $ 50.000 in their stomachs a day. Apart from anything else.
    This is called - manipulation.
    With the same success, you can compare a car DVR with a Hollywood movie studio.
    Better to say that it’s even easier to cut the butterflies. Because as Russia, for example, knows how to handle American drones, the world already knows.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 12 2016 09: 55
      +2
      I drank money at different levels.
  14. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 April 12 2016 09: 54
    0
    Recently, have mattresses a mod or something for irons?))) One is funnier than the other, PPC!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 12 2016 10: 08
      0
      Quote: kostyan77708
      Recently, have mattresses a mod or something for irons?))) One is funnier than the other, PPC!

      Overshot of the armadillo! laughing
  15. Lopatov
    Lopatov April 12 2016 09: 58
    +2
    Caps, damn it, we will throw ...

    Whether it’s our valiant PLO helicopters. Invulnerable, tireless, work at any time of the day or night, in any weather. And their heroic pilots are able to stay in the air for weeks, sending natural necessities to empty plastic half-glasses ...
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr April 12 2016 10: 28
      +2
      The only prudent comment ...
      Robotics is the future. Naturally, at first it will hang out near its shores and under the cover of "senior" ships, but after a while the Americans will take care of changing the Law of the Sea, and then it will hardly be so easy to step on board, let alone capture.
      The only alternative to such "hunters" is new types of gliders: mines, launch vehicles, GA-buoys, etc. As well as robotic sailing unmanned catamarans (RPBK), which can perform almost all the functions of a given hunter, but just not chasing a submarine, but drifting each in its square and passing it (PL) "from hand to hand" over the network. But this will require a huge number of them (both gliders and RPBK) in order to close the main directions, straits and combat alert zones of enemy submarines. Fortunately, their cost and operating costs will be insignificant in comparison with such "hunters" or helicopters.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 12 2016 10: 54
        0
        Quote: Aviagr
        to close the main directions, straits and zones of alert of enemy submarines. Fortunately, their cost and operating costs will be insignificant in comparison with such "hunters" or helicopters.

        laughing And after the storms - then collect parts and debris along the coasts of neighboring countries, huh?
        1. Aviagr
          Aviagr April 12 2016 11: 48
          0
          There is nothing eternal, but much more fragile little boats crossed the oceans. I’m not Thor Heyerdahl to prove it again, but the big ships are also sinking - let's stop using the ships at all.
          And the storms in 6 will withstand points, do not hesitate - I did not speak in vain about the complete absence of such structures at present - analogues my RPACs and glazers no, at RPAC had to sacrifice maximum speed in order to increase survivability.
          There are a lot of unique things, here I am looking for partners for patenting and production.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov April 12 2016 13: 02
      0
      Caps, damn it, we’ll throw it,
      no one is going to throw hats, here they are announcing that they did the mine robot. They set it apart and found it to be unpromising. It seems like a miracle from the same row.
    3. Glaaki
      Glaaki April 12 2016 13: 04
      0
      What are you ?! How do you even ... dare ... doubt ... We are them ... Yes, with one left ... One finger! ..

      It's a paradox, it's worth here in the comments to objectively admit that American developments in a number of areas have gone far from Russian ones, as you are immediately recorded as traitors, the fifth column and - my favorite expression - "liberal dandruff".
  16. dsi
    dsi April 12 2016 10: 02
    +1
    It became unprofitable for the Americans to contain a screen around each aircraft carrier. But this robot, I believe, is a dead end ...
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 12 2016 10: 03
    +1
    From the point of view of the engineer, it would not be difficult to design such a vessel. Telemechanics and Theory of automatic control were the main subjects at my institute.
    Just what for do you need such a vessel? ?
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle April 12 2016 10: 23
      +5
      Quote: Barracuda
      From the point of view of the engineer, it would not be difficult to design such a vessel. Telemechanics and Theory of automatic control were the main subjects at my institute.

      Well, you know, even such dense amateurism should have its limits.
      Worth it. It is worth while a lot of work. Make at least a model drone. Only a real robot, i.e. without your usual remote control. To choose the reaction to changes in the environment. This, my dear, is the elements of AI so hated by all. Auto target detection - read pattern recognition. And not only optical, but also radar, and sonar, and God knows which ones. And then also selection of targets using incomplete data, and also navigation not only by GPS, but also by natural physical landmarks - the Earth’s magnetic field shone in the sky. And these are only obvious things. And how much more is there inside t.s. usual? And the engine must be made to work for months without maintenance. So that no one refills oil, or oil seals check, nothing. And this is in the sea, where there is a storm, wind, pitching, humidity up to 100% and temperature differences.
      I repeat - the task for engineers is complex and even very difficult.
      1. Aviagr
        Aviagr April 12 2016 10: 37
        +2
        That's right, that's why I took the path of creating my own robotic sailing catamaran, completely abandoning the anthropological control of the sail, winch, etc. - the very concept of "robot" already implies the rejection of humanoid devices. This is the only way to make it cheaper, easier, and more reliable if the mechanism is adjusted to performance of functions, not the convenience of operating it with a person.
        But like any compromise, this also requires sacrifice (in speed, for example). But for the mass production of RPBC - in hundreds of thousands of copies, the main thing: price and cost of operation.
  18. Verdun
    Verdun April 12 2016 10: 16
    +1
    It is interesting to observe the development of various robotic weapons. Does something look like something has changed in the laws of physics? I remember when I was studying, they said that electromagnetic pulses arising from nuclear explosions disable electronics ...
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr April 12 2016 10: 39
      +1
      And in physics device shielding did not pass ?! And every day deserted boats are bombed with nuclear weapons every day ?!
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 12 2016 10: 51
        -1
        It's not about nuclear explosions. EW (electronic warfare) means cut down electronics no worse. Shielding, if it helps, is not strong. I had one friend who worked in this industry (blessed memory of him). so he believed that in the event of a serious war, all parties use such funds in full. Just out of fear that the adversary has something that they don’t know about. Of course, it won’t reach stone axes, but you will have to forget about high technologies for a while ...
        1. Aviagr
          Aviagr April 12 2016 10: 59
          -1
          In the case of electronic warfare, it is necessary to bring the same noise interference power to receiver signals from this Aktuv, he himself can act automatically and through optical / sonar channels - while his task is finding, tracking and transmitting data about submarines. And to put EW you need to keep the noise source near Aktuv - and this is also money, etc. - what is the asymmetry of the answer? We will no longer catch up with the United States in terms of the number of ships, or planes, or bases around the world ...
          From the sofa, crunching chips, it is very easy to give out tips, but money for everything mriy - from where?
          1. Verdun
            Verdun April 12 2016 11: 06
            0
            You will give a lecture about this to the crew of the destroyer "Donald Cook". Maybe they will agree with you ... Although I doubt it.
            1. Aviagr
              Aviagr April 12 2016 11: 15
              +1
              What's wrong with Donald? They spotted the Su-24 for 300 km and could shoot down if there was a military conflict, but they acted in accordance with international law. But when the distance became about 12 km, the Su-24 electronic warfare showed its power. Will he be allowed to approach such a distance in wartime ?! No need to exaggerate the capabilities of electronic warfare and the "ineptitude" of the enemy - 41g is not an indicator for you?
              1. Verdun
                Verdun April 12 2016 11: 33
                +1
                Electronics "Donald Cook", as far as I'm aware, was disabled by the coastal system. Su-24 flew out for photographing. As for the detection of an aircraft 300 km away, the American destroyer does not have such powerful radar systems. I don’t engage in shapkozakidatelstvo and what was 41 - I remember. But! Several years ago, the Swedish Armed Forces conducted tests of a Soviet electronic warfare missile of the 1968 model, which they got from somewhere. And they themselves admitted that its impact on the air defense system is catastrophic.
                1. Aviagr
                  Aviagr April 12 2016 12: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Verdun
                  the American destroyer does not have such powerful radar systems.

                  It is his bread.

                  Quote: Verdun
                  And they themselves recognized that its impact on the air defense system is catastrophic.

                  And how else to knock out money from taxpayers ?!
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun April 12 2016 12: 22
                    +1
                    The British destroyer Sheffield was sunk by an Exocet missile with a launch range of 30 km. The missile was detected already on approach - visually. All that his captain managed to do was to command "Cover!" Of course, a lot of time has passed since the conflict in the Falklands, but I would not exaggerate the capabilities of shipborne radars.
              2. Winnie76
                Winnie76 April 12 2016 14: 07
                0
                If he approaches near the radio horizon, they will detect them in 30 kilometers. And if there is RCC, then he will not need to approach
    2. Leto
      Leto April 12 2016 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Verdun
      Does something look like something has changed in the laws of physics? I remember when I was studying, they said that electromagnetic pulses arising from nuclear explosions disable electronics ...

      Nuclear explosions will destroy the entire planet Earth, after which it will not be important if this vessel works or not.
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle April 12 2016 13: 05
      0
      Quote: Verdun
      It is interesting to observe the development of various robotic weapons. Does something look like something has changed in the laws of physics? I remember when I was studying, they said that electromagnetic pulses arising from nuclear explosions disable electronics ...

      Not all, not always. And not just nuclear explosions. An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) is one of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion. Not only, but also significant. And protection from him is also there.
      http://lomasm.ru/ruiny/blog/survival/357.html
  19. NordUral
    NordUral April 12 2016 10: 41
    -1
    We need, without hesitation, to organize something like that. And let these swim. Russia is not an aggressor, and from this strategy it is necessary to build a defense system. In the Pacific, Mediterranean, etc.
  20. Yereke
    Yereke April 12 2016 10: 41
    0
    cool, the Jews also have a boat seems. As they left with the unmanned aerial vehicles forward in the 90s, now on the water they can come off and the submarines will then appear of this type
  21. imugn
    imugn April 12 2016 10: 42
    0
    Can be sunk without witnesses and human casualties. And guided by GPS ...
  22. Leto
    Leto April 12 2016 10: 57
    +1
    The haters somehow forget that the Russian fleet has a huge hole in terms of anti-submarine defense and they don’t even dream of such units ...
  23. MolGro
    MolGro April 12 2016 11: 01
    0
    Our answer will not be so advertised) they will just start to patrol it and can then tell)
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr April 12 2016 11: 05
      +1
      Not at all ... Here's something, but we now have much more "quiet affairs" in PR: they are not in the drawings yet, but already the 7th generation of aircraft, 5th aircraft carriers, 11th - submarines. And hurry up for a medal to the Rulers - here, they say, what a patriot I am!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 12 2016 18: 28
        0
        That's for sure, n .... t - not to build.
  24. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 12 2016 11: 14
    +1
    It can be exploited in the middle of the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Such ships will be everywhere

    Well in the bays and coastal zones okay, but in the ocean? Before the first storm? Very kind of frail dish.
  25. alex80
    alex80 April 12 2016 11: 56
    -1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    American robotic "Sea Hunter"
    what is our "asymmetrical" answer to this tricky * opa?

    We load the Avtobaza complex onto any ship suitable for carrying capacity, we intercept
    control this drone and drive to our port for study and parsing laughing
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 12 2016 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: alex80
      We load the Avtobaza complex onto any ship suitable for carrying capacity, we intercept
      control this drone

      Yes ... And try to "seize control" of some radio-controlled model with a radio receiver, and tell us about the results ...

      The materiel would be worth knowing. "Avtobaza" well, in no way can at least capture something. This is a passive means of electronic intelligence.
  26. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb April 12 2016 12: 15
    0
    “The ship can be used in the South China Sea, in the Baltic Sea, in the Persian Gulf. It can be exploited in the middle of the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Such ships will be everywhere. ”

    Blessed is he who believes ....
  27. karakuin
    karakuin April 12 2016 12: 40
    +1
    Hey smart guys, did any of you go 10 points? Sit there in the swamps of the Central Russian lowlands and broadcast. Ships of thousands of tons with experienced crews are clogged in the bays, and even additional anchors lead there in the bays. And how does this slow-pushed side boat flow, or the fastening beam is deformed, or a gust of wind of 12 m per second on the crest of a wave 50m high in the bottom of the boat, and then immediately the second 15m high, and it’s birthmark at a speed of 50 km per hour or all 15? Ocean, dear wiseacres, this is not the Volga - Mother. I live from birth on the shore, I have walk experience, but the year before last I got it like that, I thought everything, and it was 300 meters to the shore. And about the electronic mind you can crawl as much as you like.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 12 2016 12: 58
      0
      Quote: karakuin
      Hey smart guys, did any of you go 10 points?

      That is, you are directly sure that the use of helicopter submarines with a towed sonar station in such conditions is preferable?
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 12 2016 13: 19
        0
        Real experience shows that the most effective means of combating submarines are submarines. Even a special class has been created - hunter boats. The effect of temperature jump makes it extremely difficult to detect the enemy from the surface by any means.
      2. Aviagr
        Aviagr April 12 2016 13: 23
        +2
        That's right, and the glider will descend on 30-50m and wait out the storm in absolute silence.
        But this will probably already be the next stage of development: a fully submerged robotic vessel with a protruding snorkel above the water. They now need to work out automation and navigation, which is more convenient to do above the surface.
        They allocate money for these trinkets, let 1 from 5 be brought to mind - but experience is gained. We have all the money in Moscow and are settling, no matter what ..

        Quote: Verdun
        The effect of temperature jump makes it extremely difficult to detect the enemy from the surface by any means.

        There you only need to lower the sensor below the layer of sound jump (50-120м), not necessarily the entire a boat.
    2. Verdun
      Verdun April 12 2016 13: 51
      -1
      People who plan to use small tonnage boats on the high seas on an ongoing basis conquered the sea themselves at best on an inflatable mattress with a bottle of beer. And even for buoys did not swim.
  28. flay
    flay April 12 2016 12: 54
    0
    Once he discovers a submarine .. WELL SO LIFE AND SAIL IN SUCH POSITION NEAR IT laughing
  29. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 April 12 2016 13: 35
    0
    Yeah! Why not read it. During the whole vacation I went to VO a couple of times and I am simply amazed at the multifaceted foresight of those hanging out here. When do you work, or is this work? Do not worry, and we can handle this freak. If anything...
  30. alex80
    alex80 April 12 2016 16: 22
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: alex80
    We load the Avtobaza complex onto any ship suitable for carrying capacity, we intercept
    control this drone

    Yes ... And try to "seize control" of some radio-controlled model with a radio receiver, and tell us about the results ...

    The materiel would be worth knowing. "Avtobaza" well, in no way can at least capture something. This is a passive means of electronic intelligence.

    I agree that the Automobile Base itself cannot intercept, it only intercepts signals, but it is part of the electronic warfare complex with jamming stations that can drown out the control of this miracle of technology and
    make him drift, and then options are possible winked Perhaps I didn’t quite correctly put it about Auto Base.
    Mat. I teach a part, I try not to litter the forum with empty statements, here is a reference for you:
    http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/50815/
  31. stayer
    stayer April 12 2016 18: 59
    0
    Before flooding their coastal seas and the oceans with their hunters, amerikos will have to change the Law of the Sea. For on it a ship without a crew is nobody's. Those. whoever met him at sea picked him up.
    In past. In the accident of the Soviet submarine (I can’t remember the number), the crew was evacuated to a towing ship. The Americans insolently tried to break the cable. For a boat without a crew is a draw. Fortunately, the captain remained on the submarine. And they would not succeed and would be considered a seizure.
    But what will prevent you from taking this "Flying Dutchman"? Never mind ...