Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the Tirex tank. Be afraid, Armata ...

Who would have thought ... Militants from the nationalist battalion "Azov" in their free time from shelling residential buildings and torture prisoners are engaged in the development of military equipment. The fact that the representatives of Azov prepared a “draft tank", Reports the chief editor of the Ukrainian portal Defense Express Sergey Zgurets. According to Zgurts, the Azov engineering group (and there is such a ...) presented the development of the “Ukrainian TIREX tank”.

Sergey Zgurts statement:

As you know, the fighting in the ATO zone pushed the Defense Ministry leadership to the need for an urgent solution to the task of further upgrading the T-64 tank and creating a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. These landmarks are marked as part of the state order for the 2016 year. Tank "Tireks" is a deep modernization of the T-64 tank in order to create a combat vehicle with capabilities, layout and equipment that will meet the requirements of both modern conflicts and future combat operations and methods of using heavy armored vehicles both in the offensive and in defense.

According to the developers, "Tirex" will exceed in its characteristics "Oplot" and "Bulat".

From the characteristics and features of "Tireks: mass - 39 tons, uninhabited tower, the gun allows you to fire shells and guided missiles" Combat ". As a protection, the elements of the DZ “Duplet” and “Knife” developed by the BCT “Microtech” (Kiev) should be installed. The total length of the "perspective" tank 9225 mm, width 3560 mm, height (with the tower) - 2500 mm.

Considering the fate of such Ukrainian developments, the “promising tank” may well be called not “Tirex”, but “Tyrex” in the sense that the development can again allow “tyrit” budget funds for loud cries about protection from the “Kremlin aggression”.

PS It is reported that the engineering group "Azov" submitted to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine also a project of a heavy BMP - "Azovochka".

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[kimyth1]

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Original news RT in Russian:
https://russian.rt.com/article/1582

[Thrall]

To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATO

[SRC P-15]

Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!

[Yars]

Quote: SRC P-15

Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!

nothing to do with the name! The tank itself is another upgrade of the m-64 and not a project from scratch.
Yes, and in life this miracle must also be realized ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: YARS

The tank itself is the next modernization of the t-64 and not a project from scratch.

It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64, and if there are no questions as to the BM (combat module), then there’s a lot of them on the platform itself ...

Quote: Vadim237

In Ukraine, the platform of the T 64 tank in bulk in the form of scrap metal and if they build it only in a single copy.

Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into combat-ready condition, as the Kharkov plant demonstrates ...

[Makarov]

obviously "base" means metal remelting 64-ok)

[crazyrom]

Dill even can not lie normally: the tower is declared as uninhabitable, and a gas extractor on the trunk.

[Evgeniy-111]

Yes, and the hatch behind the machine gun ...

[Ivan_ich]

Quote: PSih2097

It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64, and if there are no questions as to the BM (combat module), then there’s a lot of them on the platform itself ...

Judging by the picture, there won't be any armored capsules, which, in general, makes the whole venture meaningless ... This project is like an underground "wall" on the border.

[Ivan_ich]

The result will be something like this ...

[2s1122]

What is it, a new gas turbine engine or something

[yehat]

direct-flow)))

[Albert1988]

Quote: Ivan_ich

Judging by the picture, there won't be any armored capsules, which, in general, makes the whole venture meaningless ... This project is like an underground "wall" on the border.

Judging by the drawing, there are no sights there either! Any panoramic, etc. That is, the tank is completely blind ...

[rehev931]

and if the tower is uninhabited, then why on the cannon an ejector? or armored capsule means the entire hull of the tank! ???

[In100gram]

Quote: PSih2097

here you forget that to bring them (T-64) into a combat-ready state doesn’t take a lot of time

Almost two years is not a lot of time? Well, the regulators ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: PSih2097

Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into a combat-ready state,

And to bring in incapacitated?)))))

[Gray brother]

Quote: PSih2097

It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64.

Use footless heroes of anti-terrorist operation - they occupy less place.

[UREC]

Technical matters are the tenth thing, the main thing is to cut down the dough at the beginning of development type.

[svp67]

Quote: PSih2097

It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64.

They removed the battery and tank rack from the control department, and instead of them placed an armored capsule. The fuel tank was moved to the stern, but where did the battery go?

[Retvizan 8]

Which battery? Do not see the rectangles on the tower; these are solar panels!
Azov -in development ahead of the rest.

[Serg81]

Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into combat-ready condition, as the Kharkov plant demonstrates ... Yeah, not a lot of time from six months to a year for each unit. You think the tanks were stored in compliance with all preservation requirements, yeah. those tanks that could drive and could be quickly put into operation have already been put into operation, and those that remained are more suitable as scrap metal. You look at the photo of storage of tanks and other equipment, they are on the Internet.
As for this miracle, you won’t even push an uninhabited tower there, purely from the design features of the T-64-T-90 tanks.

[alexej123]

How like - yes, usually. On the computer, the model is "pushed apart and shoved".

[ltc22A]

Quote: PSih2097

and if on BM (combat module) there are no questions as such

HOW IS IT NOT? When Ukraine showed at least a prototype, not pictures. Anyone can draw pictures (go to thematic sites). And the idea was licked off from "Armata", there is no own version (and will not be)

[Vladimirets]

Quote: YARS

the next modernization of the t-64

Figase, modernization! On the basis of the T-64, make an uninhabited tower, change the crew, the entire control system.

[Sergerius]

You are mistaken, he is on the radio control, the crew smokes in the bushes.

[EVIL KOLORAD]

The claim to MERCAVI is steered ... but brains and arms grow from assholes ...))

[svp67]

Quote: YARS

Yes, and in life this miracle must also be realized ...

T-64BV already weighed 41,5 tons, and this "protrusion", higher, and even equipped with a large set of mounted protection - 39 tons ??????????? Here, either the engineers deliberately underestimated the figure, or somewhere, where ????????, used "drywall" to reduce the mass of the tank.
The suspension from the T-64 was used and this is not the best solution, which of course allows to reduce the mass of the tank, to use the huge numerical potential, since the elements of this suspension, in the form of T-64 tanks, are SUPPLY in Ukraine, but it is too "soft" even for the usual "sixty-four", and for this "overgrowth" - I think it will generally be critical.
The removal of the fuel tank from the control compartment to the stern is of course an interesting solution, but it will be interesting to see how this car burns when these tanks flash splinters and how much fuel is enough.

[poquello]

Quote: SRC P-15

Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!

Tyrex, tyrex, to the author +, very accurately, it is not clear only they will still be given money or not.

[Ze Kot]

And the next will be the "plane" "Pterodactyl"

[oleg-gr]

What exciting news! So the Outskirts military-industrial complex is alive and ready to show its power? Or plywood tanks just here are outlined? Indeed: tremble, "Armata"!

[Pavel Tsybai]

So against Varmata new vna prepares Krajina.

[Vadim237]

In Ukraine, the platform of the T 64 tank in bulk in the form of scrap metal and if they build it only in a single copy.

[maks-101]

Why are the tanks worth them you can draw and fight

[Persistent]

To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATO

And the armor plates will be glued together with "Moment" glue as before ?? Apparently have to. Cooking armor plates is not for you to jump around burning tires !!!!

[Thronekeeper]

They will not even get to plasticine, they stole 3DMach-ovsky digitization from a moderator-lover of tanks, and the "skin" of the fotogaber never finished, and sent it to Russia.
One thing is true - the "tower" of the skakyborgs is uninhabited. No brains lived there.

[YARUSSIAN39]

The project was copied from the armata, so let's see who will have a "paper tank" and who will have a shooter

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Thrall

To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATO

Polystyrene foam

[vovanpain]

Well, yes, now these Azov engineers will invent a perpetual motion machine for this miracle.

[vodolaz]

And what, the garbage bin on the tracks already changed their minds to release?))))

[Basarev]

I finally realized what this tank looked like. He looks like a Jordanian Chieftain with an uninhabited tower.

[marlin1203]

Yeah ... to draw pictures is "not to roll bags ..."

[Archon]

Explain why in the commentary to write the news, which is on the topvar in the next branch, very close?

[Mavrikiy]

Well, the guys did a good job, the pictures are colorful. It's time to plan the model of wood, plastic and no longer.

[Dr. Bormental]

Well, I’d be surprised if it turned out that the developers had stolen a picture of a computer game about tanks, and given out as the latest development ... there were precedents.

[crumb]

Yes, they just copied from ARMATA well, sawed a bit with files and it turned out TYREKS

[just exp]

Duc there is the whole concept of Almaty, an uninhabited tower and 3 crew members in front.
but how they screamed that the armata is bad and outdated and not impressive.

[firefighter]

But why plan? I blinded him from what was ... And they have this material (from which they mold) in everyone.

[KSLip]

... and also he is jumping across the battlefield ...

[Thrall]

I do not understand in the diagram where his moonshine is integrated?

[Pereira]

Apparently in the tower. And under the tower, as can be seen in the picture, a spill occurs on the tanks - gray ones.

[Yegorchik]

So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.

[Muvka]

Quote: Egorchik

So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.

Maybe because they make tanks at UVZ, more than a dozen years, and they know more about them than collective farmers from Ukraine.

[Thrall]

I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk.

[zennon]

Quote: Thrall

I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk.

But those who broke it (clickable):

[Yars]

Quote: zennon

Quote: Thrall

I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk.

But those who broke it (clickable):

photography is not inherently correct !!!

[zennon]

Quote: YARS

photography is not inherently correct !!!

This is a photo from the calendar. In the lower right corner it says "Vacation at your own expense." Is that correct?

[Mikado]

Quote: zennon

This is a photo from the calendar. In the lower right corner it says "Vacation at your own expense." Is that correct?

It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Mikado

It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))

ehm ...
patriotic ..

[cheap trick]

FURY (rage) movie

[Retvizan 8]

A shot from the comedy film "Rage".

[wasjasibirjac]

trophy. or land lease. another option - somewhere off the pedestal or the museum was removed

[zennon]

Quote: Mikado

It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))

Trophy, clear stump! Mattress covers are kohlam from the master's shoulder, they will send rubber boats, then old "Shermans" are lying around!

[Serg81]

At least Photoshop was made on the basis of the T-34, and not on the basis of the Sherman - the firefly, which were not settled in the Red Army, but ordinary Shermans with a 75-mm gun. And then we wonder why, on May 9th, Panthers and Luffaff pilots appear on posters.

[Vadim237]

Further - near Slavyansk.

[Verdun]

I’m afraid that those who made tanks at UVZ today are looking for lanterns in the next world. Age. But even if there are promising ideas and developments, their implementation seriously rests on the lack of a serious engine-building base in Russia. Its main part remained in Ukraine.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

I’m afraid that those who made tanks at UVZ today are looking for lanterns in the next world. Age. But even if there are promising ideas and developments, their implementation seriously rests on the lack of a serious engine-building base in Russia. Its main part remained in Ukraine.

Of course, you think you made 1800 strong engine. Not a gas turbine. Who does not do such today. Everyone can, right?

[Verdun]

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. And even in the case of creating a workable prototype before establishing mass production - a huge way. As for the Ukrainians, the engine-building base that remained at their disposal nevertheless allowed them to create a powerful diesel engine in the dimensions of the T-80 motor compartment, but ours did not. Although in the present mess they will certainly lose all their achievements.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. And even in the case of creating a workable prototype before establishing mass production - a huge way. As for the Ukrainians, the engine-building base that remained at their disposal nevertheless allowed them to create a powerful diesel engine in the dimensions of the T-80 motor compartment, but ours did not. Although in the present mess they will certainly lose all their achievements.

Then you can ask, does the T-14 drive? Rides. And what engine is there? And about the engine. What dviglo Stronghold, as I understand it, is better than our V-92S2F? Why did the Ukrainians succeed, but we did not? And if you poke a difference of 70 horses at me, which is ridiculous with such numbers, I will immediately answer you, there are only 10 strongholds, EMNIP, and our B-92S2F are placed at 72 in bulk. The plan is not one hundred.

[Verdun]

In those distant days, when I worked in the automotive industry, the first motors that came to hand were installed on demo samples. And what do you think? The cars were driving! That's when "Armata" goes into series and we find out what it is like in combat and operation, there will be something to talk about. Until then, alas!

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

In those distant days, when I worked in the automotive industry, the first motors that came to hand were installed on demo samples. And what do you think? The cars were driving! That's when "Armata" goes into series and we find out what it is like in combat and operation, there will be something to talk about. Until then, alas!

So what engine is there? Please note that it is X-shaped, i.e. short in length, only 3 pots. There will not be cleaned dviglo from 72 or 90. Purely physically. So if this engine does not exist, what does the T-14 work on? By fortitude?

[Verdun]

Have you personally seen this motor? Then share your impressions.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

Have you personally seen this motor? Then share your impressions.

Hold on.
http://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/201503/17/1467166/3.jpg
Or maybe like a tower? From cardboard?

[Verdun]

How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.

Quote: The 12N360 engine is a fully-developed engine, not a bench engine at all, it was exactly the same on our promising tanks (object 195), which passed state tests not so long ago. In terms of the power plant, the GIs were completed successfully, the engine had no complaints - despite the fact that the tests were very stringent.
If this is not enough for you, I will no longer answer you. For it is useless.

[MMX]

Quote: Muvka

Quote: Verdun

How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.

Quote: The 12N360 engine is a fully-developed engine, not a bench engine at all, it was exactly the same on our promising tanks (object 195), which passed state tests not so long ago. In terms of the power plant, the GIs were completed successfully, the engine had no complaints - despite the fact that the tests were very stringent.
If this is not enough for you, I will no longer answer you. For it is useless.

But not worth it. Tovarisch merged you on all counts. From the side it is clearly visible.

[RUSIVAN]

And it is useless to him either to answer, he will still find a reason for sadness and all is lost ...

[RUSIVAN]

Well you and the whiner

[Yak-3P]

You have been working for a long time .. creating now is not a problem - letting go of a series of problems .. and you’ve considered the compression on your accounts

[Verdun]

As for the V-92S2F, this one is installed in the T-90 and T-72 motor compartments. The Ukrainian tank "Oplot" is essentially a T-80, with a gas turbine in its engine compartment. The place there is much less. A motor is required that can be crammed into a small size. It is these requirements that the 6TD-2E motor meets. Structurally, it is very different from the V-92S2F. There are engines not in 1800, but tens of thousands of horsepower. But for a tank it is extremely important that the motor is compact. This allows you to reduce the weight of the car, reducing the booking area. At the same time, I do not at all claim that the Ukrainians will be able to create an efficient tank. In their economic conditions, this is as impossible as going to the moon. Here are the pictures in 3D - please!

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

As for the V-92S2F, this one is installed in the T-90 and T-72 motor compartments. The Ukrainian tank "Oplot" is essentially a T-80, with a gas turbine in its engine compartment. The place there is much less. A motor is required that can be crammed into a small size. It is these requirements that the 6TD-2E motor meets. Structurally, it is very different from the V-92S2F. There are engines not in 1800, but tens of thousands of horsepower. But for a tank it is extremely important that the motor is compact. This allows you to reduce the weight of the car, reducing the booking area. At the same time, I do not at all claim that the Ukrainians will be able to create an efficient tank. In their economic conditions, this is as impossible as going to the moon. Here are the pictures in 3D - please!

It’s strange. The length of the T-80 and T-72 are identical. But is the T-80 engine compartment smaller? L- Logic.

[Verdun]

The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!

Is there any link to the dimensions of the T-80 GTE? And the booking has improved, as I understand the windshield, because 1000 horses after 780 are a good increase ...

[Verdun]

You are welcome!
http://www.klimov.ru/production/landmarine/GTD-1250/

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

You are welcome!
http://www.klimov.ru/production/landmarine/GTD-1250/

Total:
GTE T-80: D / W / H / 1494 1042 888
B-46 T-72: 1480 896 902
Where is it smaller?
P.S. minus not me. I put the pros, while they allow.

[Verdun]

Power B-46 - 780 liters. with. GTE, even in the early version - 1000. In terms of dimensions, it is correct to compare it with the B-92 c2 or B-84 MS. They are slightly higher and this is precisely what prevents them from being shoved into the T-80 motor compartment. In addition, it is not the net dimensions that are considered, but the distance from the axis of the drive shaft.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

Power B-46 - 780 liters. with. GTE, even in the early version - 1000. In terms of dimensions, it is correct to compare it with the B-92 c2 or B-84 MS. They are slightly higher and this is precisely what prevents them from being shoved into the T-80 motor compartment. In addition, it is not the net dimensions that are considered, but the distance from the axis of the drive shaft.

There is another question. How then it turns out that the early engines are the same size, so the MTOs of 72 and 80 are the same + -. But at the same time, when the Ukrainians stuck the engine for 1200 horses - this is a breakthrough, and when ours stuck 1130 to 72, that's right, pff. So it turns out? The initial size of the MTO is the same, I recall. So why are they great and we are not?

[Verdun]

Chelyabinsk motors, whatever one may say, in versions of the specified power appeared relatively recently. Ukrainian - more than 10 years ago. At the same time, I am not saying that Ukrainian specialists are superb. They only took advantage of the developments and the technological base created during the Soviet era. And the dimensions of the engine compartment on the T-72 and T-80 are not the same. After all, there is not only the engine, but also the transmission, with which the location of the engine has to be linked. On the way - T-72 and T-80 are very different machines. The motor installed on the "Armata" has an X-configuration. As practice shows, such motors are very capricious in operation and difficult to maintain. The fact that the engine has not yet been finished can be judged by the fact that during training before the May 9 parade, tanks passing by my house several times a night often stalled and stopped. It was not always possible to start.

[Muvka]

For the first time: The Chelyabinsk GSKB Transdiesel was engaged in engine development, and will be produced at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. The four-stroke diesel engine, X-shaped, 12-cylinder with gas turbine turbocharging and intermediate cooling of the air, liquid cooling, the 12N360 engine passed the whole series of tests, from resource to running ones, back in 2011.
Secondly, the B92 was tested back in 2000, and that was already 1000 horses, mind you, before the 6TD-2E.
A dviglo stronghold, God forbid, was tested in the mid-2000s.

[Verdun]

That's just the power of 6TD-2E - 1200 liters. with.

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

That's just the power of 6TD-2E - 1200 liters. with.

And the power of 12N360, if forced, is 2200. The difference is 5-6 years, like 6TD with our B92. I just can’t find yet what year the V-92S2F appeared. Maybe at the same time as Ukrainian.

[Muvka]

The only thing I agree with is that the 6TD-2E eats less. But, again, you need to consider that it is one thing to make a piece of goods for the record, and another thing to do a mass thing with a low price, because to buy 10 engines for $ 1 million (this is just for clarity, has nothing to do with reality) or 500 for the same price - will fly into a pretty penny. And since the budget is not rubber, and you need to upgrade a lot of equipment, you have to look for a middle ground between performance and price. I am sure that ours can make an even better engine in terms of volume to power, but no one will buy it, because it will be expensive (I mean the military commissar). I think so.
And again, please, give the guy a try.

[Verdun]

The 6TD engine was launched into production in 1985. And even then it had a capacity of 1000 liters. with. Strongly torment iron for an increase of 200 liters. with. the designers did not have to. The motor is quite complicated structurally, but to compare it with an even more complex 12H360 with an X-shaped layout is simply incorrect. And the time gap between these engines is almost 30 years. I just consider it premature to shout at every corner how good the T-14 is until it goes into the series and enters the army. About Sukhoi - Superjet also shouted a lot, but what's the point?

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

The 6TD engine was launched into production in 1985. And even then it had a capacity of 1000 liters. with. Strongly torment iron for an increase of 200 liters. with. the designers did not have to. The motor is quite complicated structurally, but to compare it with an even more complex 12H360 with an X-shaped layout is simply incorrect. And the time gap between these engines is almost 30 years. I just consider it premature to shout at every corner how good the T-14 is until it goes into the series and enters the army. About Sukhoi - Superjet also shouted a lot, but what's the point?

Well, if he appeared in 85, then I'm sorry, he was created in the USSR. It was a single country.

[Verdun]

As for proplusation, you are in vain. This is how the Internet works. Someone is interested in correctly arguing, someone is interested in trolling an opponent. Or would you be interested in seriously discussing a picture, which, at best, has a place on the pages of the "Technology of Youth" magazine?

[tankdriver]

The first appeared T-64 tank. Not a Ukrainian tank, but a Soviet one, in the creation of which the whole country took part. This was followed by a government decree on putting this tank into production at all the country's plants.
But in parallel with the development of the production of this tank at UVZ, a version of the T-64 was created with a slightly modified suspension and its own engine. So it turned out T-72.
And in Leningrad, they created their own version of the T-64, with the GTE. So it turned out the T-80, the production of which was deployed in Omsk.
Moreover, the GTD-1250 has never been a Ukrainian motor, but a Leningrad engine, created at the Klimov plant.

[Verdun]

T-72 is a further development of the T-62, the T-80 developed from the T-64. And, of course, the GTD-1250 was not developed in Ukraine. It just so happened that the main production of the T80UD (equipped with a diesel engine) was deployed in Kharkov. Gas turbine cars were produced in Omsk.

[tankdriver]

Everything is great, but this engine has a number of serious drawbacks. For example, the two-stroke operation scheme of the engine, which made it possible to obtain such compact dimensions at such a power (the Ukrainian diesel engine is really among the best world tank engines in this parameter), does not allow to obtain good fuel economy and cleanliness of the exhaust. The first increases fuel consumption, and the second greatly complicates the movement of tanks in the convoy.
In addition, this engine (new) does not start without heating even at a temperature of plus 5-7 degrees, and if it has already walked, it can not start without heating even at plus 15-20 degrees. For a reliable start, this engine, at temperatures lower than those indicated, needs to be heated using a heater, or using an autonomous torch heating system, then oil-injected into the cylinders, and only after that it will start with a starter ...

[Muvka]

And in my house, F-35s constantly fly by and strongholds are passing by. Every day I hear them stall. Refute me;)
And then the question is, how did the 9th or 7th T-8s drive on the parade on May 14 and did not stall? Magnets pulled underground? Remember, there is not a small distance. The column is long. They somehow reached the square. And they drove on without breaking the order.

[Bruss]

This is St. Petersburg!

[Alex 1972]

Quote: Verdun

Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine.

T80 is a gas turbine modification of the T64, and it is diesel.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Alexey 1972

T80 is a gas turbine modification of T64

Chivoooooo ???

[Ajent cho]

left in Ukraine

Thank you for the competent construction of the proposal.

[Evgen_Vasilich]

Quote: Verdun

The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!

dear, you are very mistaken in saying that the production of gas turbine engines remained in the urine! GTE always, ALWAYS done in Kaluga. and the 6TD or 5TDf underdrive is just an epic for maintenance and maintainability. the fact of heating before starting at an ambient temperature of +15 degrees Celsius is something. Skakly put their engine at eighty and this tank was named - T-80UD, and then, according to an old tradition, steal and say to everyone that it was always ours (like with space, etc., etc.), Now they are trying to gash a wunderwafel out of the T-64 submarine, the wind in their back and a steam locomotive to meet them.

[Bruss]

Well, not exactly identical! Different body, suspension and something else!

[Alex 1972]

Quote: Verdun

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many

Do you mean the so-called "engineering group" of Azov?
Let's be serious.
Specify specifically these many.

[Serg81]

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. The T-80UD already has a 6TD diesel engine, this is a descendant of the engine with the T-64, which inherited from it all the pros and cons of this engine. Yes, and these engines cat cried

[Vadim237]

In Ukraine, there is no motor-building base at all, even from KRAZ - they purchased all their engines from YaMZ, and now they are installing Germans and Chinese.

[Verdun]

Between a good engine for a truck and a good engine for a tank is an abyss. At KRAZ, YaMZ engines were installed, as it was implied by the project developed back in the days of the USSR. The diesel engines produced by MTU are of very high quality. Like China's licensed Perkins and Caterpillar. But you should not engage in cap-making. Bad ends.

[Vadim237]

Now CNC machines allow any details for the engine to be made and there are calculation and simulation programs, but with the rest - there will be problems with consumables and electronics.

[tankdriver]

The KrAZ automobile plant itself was created on the basis of a combine plant, which, in turn, grew out of a bridge factory, which was built after the war in the process of restoring the national economy. The production of trucks was transferred from the Yaroslavl plant, and on a car such as the KrAZ-214, there was quite a tank engine YAZ-206, which we did, having bought a license from the Americans ...
Attention, the question is what does Ukraine have to do with it?

[Muvka]

Well, it wasn’t necessary to minus the guy like that. We argued well. I learned something new for myself. Try, if not sorry.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Muvka

Well, it wasn’t necessary to minus the guy like that. We argued well. I learned something new for myself. Try, if not sorry.

You and comrade

Quote: Verdun

Verdun

fucking respect.
I enjoyed it a lot while reading your comment.
Thanks guys. Alas, it has become a rarity in VO. Thanks again.

[Verdun]

Thank you for your kind words, but it is unlikely to help!)) But seriously, I myself am a supporter of gas turbine tanks. With all the shortcomings of a gas turbine engine - high fuel consumption at low speeds, power drop with increasing height - tanks equipped with gas turbine engines have high speed and excellent acceleration dynamics. At 41 kilometers from Moscow (if I’m not mistaken), there is a museum of the T-34 tank along Dmitrovskoye Shosse. A retired colonel, a former tanker, commands them. So he says that the T-80 with a gas turbine engine is the only tank that he wanted to restrain during acceleration.

[Aleks76]

These are your promising developments ??? "Activists of the economic blockade of Crimea of ​​the Asker public formation have acquired a new armored car. This is a German-made MEN truck sheathed with armor plates and intended for transporting personnel, it is on the move and is in good condition."

[Rock2]

I like cuts on the forehead. These are the initial letters: P - Poroshenko, T - Tyagnibok, N - Nalyvaichenko, CLO - you know ...

[wasjasibirjac]

There is only one answer - crew hatches. placing the crew in an armored capsule in place of the driver, we get only 1 hatch for landing the crew, and at a certain position of the tower it overlaps. in Armata, the hull is elongated to place hatches in front of the tower. at T-64, 72 there is only 1 hatch. the convenience of landing and landing, especially if the tank is damaged, can be imagined.

[Mayday1981]

Let me disagree with you. If you were talking about aviation, you would be 100% right. But Ukrainian tanks have 2-stroke diesel engines, according to many, there is a dead end in the development of engines for armored vehicles. They simply have no other.

[AVA77]

Here, the collective farmers do not need to be touched! They are sitting at the levers in the core. Mercs did not drive more than 75 and the cornfield.

[Muvka]

Quote: AVA77

Here, the collective farmers do not need to be touched! They are sitting at the levers in the core. Mercs did not drive more than 75 and the cornfield.

I am figuratively. I myself live on the outskirts of a small town of 35k in a private house. And I wait until the remnants of snow come down and the earth dries out to start digging;) It's just these people who design tanks, without education and from the backwoods. That's what they can get a tank.

[ssergn]

Well, how's the folk there - it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. I somehow do not think at all that UVZ are some kind of suckers. This, by the way, is not an engineering group, but a Corporation with its own design bureau, pilot production and other, other, other ....

[AVA77]

Did you catch the meaning of the answer?

[Forest]

So T-14 so on this layout. It’s difficult to take everything out to the tower, it will complicate the rotation of the tower, and when installing the promising 152-mmka it will generally overweight.

[Serg81]

So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length. They don’t do it because the design features of the T-64-T-90 do not allow three people to cram into the nose of the car, there simply is no place for three people, it will be cramped for two))))

[pest]

In the form of a cardboard layout - this is his fate. And no more.

[Genry]

You are a great optimist!
Where to find so much cardboard in Ukraine?

[Altona]

That they always have some kind of influx, some kind of niches for garbage. Are these side ashtrays aft and glass containers? They would call the tank "the dream of the APU drunkard." The symbiosis of a toilet and a tractor. Tank "Push and Rex" ...

[Rader]

Come on you! Well, they wanted the T-64 to protest a year with the use of plastic moldings and boxes from under the drunk drunk, well, that's it! The picture also turned out pretty (i.e. not ugly as usual).
There is nothing to say about the technical side of this project. If that works out, then it will be similar to the Polish PL: old tank + a lot of plastic "People are eating", and the money will be cut - everyone is happy, in one word!

[your1970]

and the basket around the back of the tower? a dream, after all, there’s so much that can be put together, where are there without a trunk ...

[Dr. Bormental]

The bottom will also crack until it crawls to the landfill. And most likely it will remain so in the drawings. In general, T-Rex (Tyrex) is a British rock band from the 60s. Ukrainians are plagiarists!

[uragan114]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

(Tirex) is a British rock band from the 60s.

And in the Hollywood manner, the so-called tyrannosaurus

[vanavatny]

which may have been a scavenger

[Dr. Bormental]

Well yes .. Tyrannosaurus Rex

[kotvov]

And most likely it will remain so in the drawings,
what are the drawings, drawings a la Picasso.

[Abbra]

What does it cost us
build a tank ...
Draw - and go!

[In100gram]

Quote: Abbra

What does it cost us
build a tank ...
Draw - and go!

They should draw cartoons. At this rate, Disney will be "ahead of"

[Vitas]

The guys in VOTU replayed. All the designers ... and as for business, they won’t assemble a bicycle either!

[vnedra]

lapping unfinished, they only do something out of garbage containers.

[BOB044]

Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank. Fear, "Armata"

Well what can I say to that. I think everyone hid at the Uralvagon plant. And which I’ll only come to ... in the Square one.

[bolyasnikov evgenij]

yes well done Ukrainians. know how to draw!

[conetite]

You look, warships have already been built, now they are building tanks, they will soon fly into space on their own.

[crumb]

yeah and India 500 planes will be built

[demiurg]

Quote: Egorchik

So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.

Any penetration under the tower, detonation of ammunition. The t-72 shells in the carousel lie horizontally, several times lower than the lesion area. This is even me, not a tank expert I can say. And three people in front in 72 will not fit, there is nowhere: ((It was possible to develop the ideas of the black eagle, but the chassis 72 had already exhausted itself. From 42 tons we got under a fifty dollars. You can’t shove the uncanny.
The seventh rink gave a backlog to increase armor, gun caliber, anything.

[Yegorchik]

1.A Armata does not break into the side? She also has ammunition behind the wall of the side, it is possible to re-arrange the crew without problems in the tower and there’s a lot of space. Or put a tower from Burlak with ammunition in a crazy niche.
2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one.

[Alex 1972]

ARMAT KAZ has Afghanite, but what about Tirex?

[Serg81]

2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one. Only there’s a small one: Coalition and Msta-B, the reservation isn’t anti-ballistic, and yes, if you make a forehead to hold 30-40mm then three people can be shoved, but then it will not be the main tank, but light, which is in this form tries not needed. And in general I have the impression that the designers of this miracle in WOT play for the French, they also had such tanks in 50-60 years, they were current light and medium tanks, but not the main tank

[Pereira]

I have the feeling that some site visitors are discussing these wet fantasies of horses in all seriousness.

[In100gram]

Quote: Pereira

some visitors to the site discuss these wet fantasies of horses in all seriousness

I can’t laugh without tears

[drags33]

Well, now, the list of projects for a new Ukrope "weapon" has been replenished with one more "development". True, it looks more like the notes of a schizophrenic inventor with an uninhabited tower. Well, well, the silly thought is getting richer ...

[sesame]

It is a sin to laugh at the sick

[Botanologist]

I understand that mattresses pick up bombs from above? Horror

[weksha50]

Quote: drags33

Well, now, the list of projects for a new Ukrope "weapon" has been replenished with one more "development".

And in the photo - what is (who) 777 "Zaporozhets beyond the Danube" ???

[Alex 1972]

The picture is nothing ...
The cannon on the sketch with ejectors; it is not needed in an uninhabited tower. It speaks directly about the professional level of the so-called "engineering group" of the ABC regiment.

[VP]

Duc they still have nowhere to take other guns, only from the old storage and remove the sandpaper-nulevka from rust to clean)
The production of modern tank guns is a separate very complex and high-precision production.

[Alex 1972]

I read somewhere that they had mastered the production of guns, at some pipe factory there ..
Other than jokes.

[Mountain shooter]

Yes-ah, business! Our Tagil residents nervously smoke on the sidelines. Poor Armata has no chance against this. To urgently announce a fundraising campaign for the "Tirex" on Maidania, but no, for a convoy, at least 500 pieces, so that with one blow, Nizhny Tagil will reach ... is it really possible that nobody will fold?
And "Tirex" is short for Tyrannosaurus Rex? Which one is the same age as the ancient ukram, and they used it on the hunt, trained the Diplodocus? Then everything will work out. Believe Believe Believe

[Abbra]

We are waiting for the corresponding projects from the "Aydar" battalion ... Schizophrenics breed with a geometric progression.

[private person]

They just mixed Word of Tanks and mixed up reality.

[In100gram]

Quote: private person

They just mixed Word of Tanks and mixed up reality

richer in thought

[frekenbok]

very deep modernization, but such that in appearance as much as the aglitsky counter-terrorism came out .. well, well

[Alexandr73]

there is not a tank, there they all have a "tower" uninhabited

[Tanya]

Let the Germans sell their development, otherwise the German designers haven’t figured out yet how to answer Armata. I think they will be happy, torn off with arms and legs.

[VP]

And magnets, magnets do not forget! Well, so that the shells rejected.
How simple they are.
Leading tank-building countries are investing billions in the development of structures, materials, assemblies, components, systems, meticulously calculating, rejecting and re-creating, inventing new technologies to make it possible to do it, organize cooperation for the production of individual elements with hundreds of enterprises, over the years test in parties and do fine-tuning ...
And then he lit a cigarette, scratched behind his ear, scribbled with pencil on paper, opened a workshop in the garage and a shit - the tank sculpted in the world is ready, welcome!

[Abbra]

And between "lit a cigarette" and "scratched behind the ear" - grunt a stack of vodka!

[VP]

Here you can’t get by with a stack, there isn’t enough inspiration)

[gunya]

Not a stack, but an imaginary glass, but rather a bucket, then the brain invents faster.

[your1970]

so they, according to your scheme, their "Patrols-B" and mold, well, those that are cracked .....

[jovanni]

Tirex, tyreth, ty ... ugh! What is this ... Some kind of dumb name ... Is it like garbage like that for toilets? Although it makes sense. Oh, they will lower the remaining money there ...

[Akim]

Tirex - Tyrannosaurus Rex. In the US, a very popular word for coolness and brutality.

[skeptical]

Something about the engine did not write anything. Will the foot soldiers push him?

[In100gram]

Quote: skeptik

Something about the engine did not write anything

And there is no place for it in the picture. Again "ah nane technology"

[Bramb]

Normal tank!
The flag is lacking only, springs for jumping and a speaker instead of a gun.

[Akim]

Have you watched the Flintstones? Then why the question about the engine ???

[vobels]

"..development may again allow" tyrit "budgetary funds under loud cries of protection from" Kremlin aggression ".." And it will turn out like with a fence along the border: they blind the layout from the boards, paint and present.

[sergant89]

They already declare that it will be cooler than "Armata", children in one word

The engineering group of the Ukrainian Azov regiment developed its own Tirex tank based on the T-64 tank. The modernized armored vehicles, according to the developers, can compete with the latest Russian tank Armata. On Monday, April 11, Sergey Zgurets, editor-in-chief of Defense Express magazine, announced on his Facebook page.
«The T-64 tank existing in Ukraine makes it possible to create new vehicles with the necessary combat potential on its basis as soon as possible. In terms of their capabilities, they are comparable to the most modern armored combat vehicles, including the widely advertised “Armata” ”, - the words of the developers are given in the message.
At the same time, in their opinion, the Tirex “will be comparable in terms of combat effectiveness, and with the introduction of a tactical link control system, it will exceed the capabilities of the most modern Ukrainian tank“ BM Oplot ”.
The Azov engineering group also announced the installation of a “new modern LMS (fire control system - approx.“ Lenti.ru ”) on a tank,” a new technology for the production of heavy armored vehicles in Ukraine, “significantly accelerating both timelines and reducing energy and labor costs “. In addition, the developers plan to create an Azovochka combat vehicle.
On April 1 in Kiev the first tests of the Ukrainian "innovative tank" "Azovets", created on the basis of a bulldozer for "Azov", took place. The creators of "Azovets" described it as a "tank for fighting in the city" or "highly protected heavy universal tracked platform."
BM "Oplot" ("Oplot-M") - the main battle tank, is a deep modernization of the T-80UD tank, performed by the Morozov Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau.
Armata (T-14) is the newest Russian medium tank based on the Armata universal tracked platform.
T-64 - Soviet medium tank, developed in the design bureau of the Kharkov factory named after Malyshev, was produced in the 1960's.
Lenta.ru

[yehat]

Tirex for protection will never catch up with Armata, because the armature of the chassis has more rollers than the t-64 base and can lift about 10 tons more.

[Algetxnumx]

What can you say: "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers!"

[skeptical]

Yes, they surpassed UVZ. We’ll have to invent something new before Tirex reaches the Urals. Ukrainians have already scared everyone with their developments. The world's most powerful army is being created. Soon they will take up the development of space drones or satellites with lasers.

[demiurg]

Quote: Egorchik

1.A Armata does not break into the side? She also has ammunition behind the wall of the side, it is possible to re-arrange the crew without problems in the tower and there’s a lot of space. Or put a tower from Burlak with ammunition in a crazy niche.
2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one.

1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.
Look at the mass of the t-72 first series, 41 tons. T-90 is already 46+. We’ll take out the ammunition from the tower, you also need to book it, an increase in the reservation area will give an increase in weight. What do we get? The chassis is designed for 41 tons, drags 50 with a hook. 20% overload. The problem is solved, we strengthen the chassis, we put a more powerful engine. And all this good will fit into the old building? Yes, you just look at it, the mass has increased. As a result, in the bottom line, what do we have? Redesigned housing, engine, transmission. tower. Moreover, after all the disturbances, we will not have a backlog in weight for modernization. Ahem, isn’t it easier to make a new one than to masturbate? We need a tank not to ride in the desert and not on the autobahns. I have a training ground 15km from the house, I saw it in the fall. Merkava or Abrams won't even get there. (You just don’t need to post a photo here where they ride on a wet wet after rain desert. Dirt, this is when the mechanical drive covers the sunroof).
Need 7 rink, if not cool. It's time for the tankers of normal growth to shove the tank. And a reserve of weight is needed for a 152mm mortar to throw real crowbars, not 800mm tricks.
I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

[Yegorchik]

Quote: demiurg

1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.

1. What does the drawing have to do with it? I asked why the UVZ didn’t follow this path, and you tell me about laying the T-64 once again, you don’t have a crew in the tower, arrange the laying as you like, even if you’re lying at least standing out of the tower.
2. Here you see the crew fits perfectly in the nose t 90 and t 72. And the batteries and stuff fit under the tower there a lot of space because the crew was removed from there.
3. It requires but much less, comparing the Abrams or Leo tower and the Armata tower it is several times smaller. So there will be no maximum weight increase up to the level of 90ms which cannot be reproached, as it were, in poor traffic.

[yehat]

Quote: demiurg

I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

an experienced tanker can try to score a ramrod through the barrel of a gun
neither mass nor length is a hindrance.

[HMR333]

the funny thing is that they once again took the armata model and redid it slightly in Photoshop and now they came up with a tank))) it looks particularly funny that they gave the characteristics although the project doesn’t have some pictures from Photoshop)))

[fif21]

Reality is different from the project.

[Vadim237]

This armored car cost 60 million hryvnias, and Tirex will probably cost two more.

[Vadim237]

KNIFE and Duplet can save against RPGs and ATGMs, but there’s no more from everything else, a mine is falling from above — falling into the fuel tank — fire — and then hi.

[Genry]

Have you seen traces of mines on the pavement?
With such a gentle fuse and with a side zone of fragmentation, it is not very dangerous for the tank.

[Vadim237]

I'm talking about getting a mine or artillery shell into a tank.

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: demiurg

I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

We must not eat after 18 00!

[In100gram]

Quote: Alget87

We must not eat after 18 00!

This is from 100+. And where to put 185+? What has grown has grown. In a tank "such" body will fit only lying down. Tankers always had a height restriction. Dimensions, "you know" (C). The irony is unnecessary.
PS: I don’t put a minus, but I don’t need to offend a person for heroic proportions. And you are a tank, apparently only seen in the pictures in Murzilka.

[weksha50]

"Ukrainian" Azov "presented the development of the" Tirex "tank. Fear," Armata "..." ...

Eh-ma ... Fear Russian military science, the military-industrial complex-defense industry and the armed forces ...

Judging by almost weekly applications for super-duper-nano-innovative weapons being created, the most combat-ready in the world (or in Europe?) The army will soon conquer not only the globe, but also the Universe ...

[demiurg]

Quote: Alget87

Quote: demiurg

I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

We must not eat after 18 00!

I will drink, but I will not give up smoking
I drove the weight from 110 to 83, a little over a year. Growth where to put?

[exo]

It turns out that creating a tank is so simple! Why are these research institutes and design bureaus? :)

[Pvi1206]

Information to boost the morale of the right sector.
No more...

[Omsk]

it’s not clear what a laugh. by the way, there will be a battery-powered engine with nuclear rods; no refueling is needed. in addition, the sealing and successful location of the third retractable track allows the tank to move along the seabed for a long time with depths of up to 795,23 m., and torpedoes with increased power and range can be launched through the barrel. The installed anti-aircraft machine gun has also undergone a deep modernization, which allows it to shoot bursts of ammunition with guided bullets with photon pumping in both high explosive and explosive directions. In fact, the Azovites created a small destroyer of deep and orbital action.

[Kibl]

How much Ukrainian soil is still rich! Debiloids just spike to the growth of power transmission towers and the crop is fed 6 times a year!

[S_Baykala]

The Germans and the French united in vain. It was only necessary to take a couple of "Azovs" and in a month or two would roll out a new tank for testing.

[exo]

The Germans and the French, there are not so many old chassis from the T-64. Here they are tormented, they create.

[Sergerius]

No, they need "cranberries"

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Well, the guys did a good job, the pictures are colorful. It's time to plan the model of wood, plastic and no longer.

I can no worse pile and render in 3DS MAX in a couple of hours))

[Bramb]

Pictures taken from an Internet from Almaty. All in one: platform, uninhabited tower, etc. Only the pictures have changed a bit, like ours.
Drawings, I wonder, do they have? Do they even imagine how much they need for only one tower? And the calculations? These are the years of work of the best engineers !!! Wagons of documents !!! And here at a leisure between shelling the lads gathered - and yeah! There is a tank !!! )))))
If a crest does not steal, then he will not fall asleep.

[tchoni]

In principle, given the fact that the T-64 or 80ki turret is quite seriously robotic, then, at the cost of a certain reduction in ammunition and power reserve, they can get an ersatz "armature" with little blood (relatively small). Happiness lies in the fact that in the conditions of today it will not be possible to set up these devices ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: tchoni

given the fact that the t-64 tower ... is pretty seriously robotic

Can't you get more details from this moment? Where is she "seriously robotic"? Here he served on it, and did not notice ...

[tchoni]

Is there any az? - there is!
Already there are two control panels for the turret and gun? - there is! one from the commander of the other at the gunner.
Ballistic computer present - present!
You were in the tower when you sat a lot of RMEN handles twisted? More and more buttons were pressed.
Here you have the robot. And you can bring out these same consoles (or say one console for the gunner) to where the right tank used to be ... But the commander, and in the Khokhlyat spirit, will not be given control at all. Cameras on the body stumble and monitors instruct. Look, command, make decisions.

[Cat man null]

Quote: tchoni

Already there are two control panels for the turret and gun? - there is! one at the commander another at the gunner

- the commander does not have a "turret and gun control panel". There is a target designation button to turn the tower wherever he pleases

Quote: tchoni

Ballistic computer present - present

- which side here? Well, ok .. present

Quote: tchoni

And to bring out these same remotes (or say one remote for the gunner) to where the right tank used to be - you can still

- exactly

Only the gunner will have to show the picture from the sight somehow .. a non-trivial task, by the way ..

And so - yes, robotic ... to the limit, practically

Picture from 1G42:

[tchoni]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Only the gunner will have to show the picture from the sight somehow .. a non-trivial task, by the way ..

No problem. We place the photosensitive matrix behind the eyepiece at the desired distance and the result on the screen at the gunner. Actually not very difficult.

Quote: Cat Man Null

There is a targeting button to turn the tower wherever he wants

As well as buttons, by clicking on which you can measure the range to the target. And one more button - a gunner’s descent understudy. Why not an ersatz gun control panel? and the tower?
And a little to the topic of the article. The skippers shouldn't make a super-tank, they need to make an ersatz reinforcing-like. Even in a single copy. And then yell at the whole Skakel-land, "tse peremog. Ukrainian native" garmat ")

[demiurg]

Quote: Egorchik

Quote: demiurg

1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.

1. What does the drawing have to do with it? I asked why the UVZ didn’t follow this path, and you tell me about laying the T-64 once again, you don’t have a crew in the tower, arrange the laying as you like, even if you’re lying at least standing out of the tower.
2. Here you see the crew fits perfectly in the nose t 90 and t 72. And the batteries and stuff fit under the tower there a lot of space because the crew was removed from there.
3. It requires but much less, comparing the Abrams or Leo tower and the Armata tower it is several times smaller. So there will be no maximum weight increase up to the level of 90ms which cannot be reproached, as it were, in poor traffic.

There is some kind of internal volume of the tank. Moreover, for compactness, the crew and ammunition are nearby. We want to carry crew and ammunition to different places. Here's something tells me that the place is not enough corny. Otherwise, why would the crew have growth restrictions on the t-72? If we take out the ammunition in a crazy niche, yes, additional volume will appear. But we still have to book it. And for an adult. Otherwise, this tank will leave any BMP without weapons. Jamshut with dshk will also be able. We reserve it weakly, the ammunition will be torn when penetrated. The crew will survive, but the tank will not be on the battlefield. Well, no way without increasing the mass (while maintaining the same stability on the battlefield) did not increase the internal volume.
Well, the control question, where will we shove the 152 mm gun? And at least 30 shots to her. On the T-72 or T-90, such a birdhouse will have to be attached, that the KV-2 will seem like a children's party. About the little things like radar, and electronics do not remember. Recall that now anyone can control the tank, without growth restrictions. In a real battle, the tank can be hidden behind a hill (or in a hollow) 1.2-1.5 meters. But the tower will remain. For it is desirable to shoot. Well, if a hefty tower looks at the one who is attacking, remember the safe maneuvering angles. But what if the oncoming battle is on a tank company on each side? And we have ammunition in a hefty, weakly armored tower.
There is such a bike, I do not know if it is true or not. In 44, one wise guy suggested putting a 75mm panther gun in the T-4. But they didn’t do that, although the t-4 case was several times cheaper than the panther. Because the gun did not climb into the old tower, it was necessary to expand the epaulette. And this is a weighting of the tank, and a strong additional processing of the hull. And the transmission would simply not have pulled it.
Understand that if the chassis from the original is overloaded by 20%, this is already close to the limit. The tank is my age, 1972.

[sabakina]

For demiurg.
In the film "Chief Designer" if there is an episode when M.Koshkin and the inspector are watching a German newsreel with a tank bias.
- Not solid.
-What is not solid?
- They have 37 mm guns, not really.
-So what? They’ll put it bigger.
- No, they won’t.
-Why? What do they have no guns?
- There are guns, the tower is small. We calculated our 34th with a margin. At first they set 45 mm, now 76, and in which case you can put more powerful.
A 60 mm gun cannot be pushed into a tank tower of the 152s of the last century. I think so...

[Bramb]

In fact, this was the case.
Money stopped paying. Robbing was also dangerous: you see how it turned into Mukachevo. But money is allocated for the war with the aggressor. We took pictures from an Internet (there are a lot of them) a little imagination - and opple !!! Ready a new tank with a capsule, three tracks and a 300 caliber vigorous cannon!
Give us money, we protect puppies!

True, even in this crazy country they will be asked about the calculations, drawings and the rationale for choosing a particular grade of steel and material. The horses will be surprised greatly by such questions, I suppose. ))))

[Dry_T-50]

Someone has clearly played "tanks online", judging by the Konponovka

[sgapich]

The log at the stern was drawn with extraordinary care. :)

[Pinkie F.]

I don’t know... for some reason I remembered the old man Edelweiss... Readers of the Strugatskys will understand...

[Res_Ullus]

Dear, why is there an EJECTOR on the gun barrel of an uninhabited tower??? A stupid question Something is rotten in the Danish kingdom

[AND_07]

And you poor people laugh
Just...take the dust off the sofa...

[cergey51046]

When they do it, will it reach the front?

[Russia]

Everything is fine!
I’ll draw such a tank now too! Such a tank! I'll call it, for example, "Sledgehammer".
All sorts of Tyreks and Abrams crews will surrender their crews themselves and be melted down!
And the BMP...!
I'm already scared myself!

I haven’t drank yet... but I just read the news.
How does the oseledets put pressure on their brains!

[Beetech]

"Uninhabited Tower"! And for some reason you believe - after all, there are millions of them on Urkain - with an uninhabited “tower”...

[pvv113]

Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the Tirex tank

Another "Iron Kaput"?

[Riv]

How are they doing with the border fence? Already built?

[obstructia]

Tirot turbo for cleaning pipes)) Apart from loud and stupid promotions, they can’t come up with a damn thing. What kind of new tank is this? Have they already delivered all their wunder strongholds to the Thais, or have they already run out of rusty junk to build? .

[kamski]

You can draw anything

[Akim]

I don’t even know whether to be happy for them or sympathize with them. On the one hand, the people are fraternal, at least some kind of production will improve, at least the defense industry will receive orders... but on the other hand, they will put weapons in the hands of a fool...
And yet, I’m not strong in technology, but wouldn’t a direct hit from, say, an RPG on the rear lower part of the turret lead to detonation of the shells, tearing off the turret, or at least to its deformation and jamming? Stylish, of course, but they can’t ride around clubs in a T-Rex

[kinolog2322]

Quote: Sergerius

You are mistaken, he is on the radio control, the crew smokes in the bushes.

smokes nervously

[Zomanus]

The picture is beautiful, yes.
Only to make a super-tank based on an old car...
Well, let's wish good luck to the Ukrainians in this difficult matter.

[Bramb]

Tank made in Photoshop. The description was stolen from the armata. The name of the tank is from an American children's cartoon about dinosaurs.
What is really yours? Nothing but theft. And the main thing is missing in the description: SUGS. Something needs to be praised.))
Thanks to the author, I laughed. They can’t even draw a picture themselves: they have to photoshop someone else’s.
“Don’t you have the same one, but with wings?” Draw it, let there be a flying tank.
Film "Sergeant Bilko" - one to one!))

[Brigadier]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyy laughing!!!!!

[dchegrinec]

Do they think that their findybeaver tower will impress anyone? It’s a trough, and it’s a trough in Africa too...

[AFG-X]

Where are the railgun and the all-incinerating laser cannon? Disorder!

[Ros 56]

These crazy people copied the layout of the Armata and think they created a tank. The poor people don’t realize that in addition to the external factor, details are much more important. Ride on, Oiropa has already galloped.

[Amatar]

To paraphrase an old saying: Drawing pictures is not moving bags.

[Serg81]

To answer all questions about this miracle, here is a link to the article: http://warfiles.ru/show-114776-ukrainskiy-tank-tireks-skopirovan-s-kompyu
ternoy-game.html

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: Thrall

To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATO

What will they select for the construction of the Pterodactyl aircraft?

[I am Russian]

What kind of magazine is this in Russian, where is the version in "Elvish"

[Editor]

That's how this car was developed for world of tanks... isn't it?