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Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the Tirex tank. Be afraid, Armata ...

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Who would have thought ... Militants from the nationalist battalion "Azov" in their free time from shelling residential buildings and torture prisoners are engaged in the development of military equipment. The fact that the representatives of Azov prepared a “draft tank", Reports the chief editor of the Ukrainian portal Defense Express Sergey Zgurets. According to Zgurts, the Azov engineering group (and there is such a ...) presented the development of the “Ukrainian TIREX tank”.


Sergey Zgurts statement:
As you know, the fighting in the ATO zone pushed the Defense Ministry leadership to the need for an urgent solution to the task of further upgrading the T-64 tank and creating a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. These landmarks are marked as part of the state order for the 2016 year. Tank "Tireks" is a deep modernization of the T-64 tank in order to create a combat vehicle with capabilities, layout and equipment that will meet the requirements of both modern conflicts and future combat operations and methods of using heavy armored vehicles both in the offensive and in defense.


According to the developers, "Tirex" will exceed in its characteristics "Oplot" and "Bulat".



From the characteristics and features of "Tireks: mass - 39 tons, uninhabited tower, the gun allows you to fire shells and guided missiles" Combat ". As a protection, the elements of the DZ “Duplet” and “Knife” developed by the BCT “Microtech” (Kiev) should be installed. The total length of the "perspective" tank 9225 mm, width 3560 mm, height (with the tower) - 2500 mm.

Considering the fate of such Ukrainian developments, the “promising tank” may well be called not “Tirex”, but “Tyrex” in the sense that the development can again allow “tyrit” budget funds for loud cries about protection from the “Kremlin aggression”.

PS It is reported that the engineering group "Azov" submitted to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine also a project of a heavy BMP - "Azovochka".
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  1. kimyth1
    kimyth1 April 11 2016 18: 58
    +94
    Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded the title Hero of Russia to Senior Lieutenant Alexander Prokhorenko, who died heroically during an operation in Syria.
    “For courage and heroism shown in the performance of military duty, to assign the rank of Hero of the Russian Federation to Senior Lieutenant Prokhorenko Alexander Alexandrovich (posthumously),” the Kremlin website reported.
    Alexander Prokhorenko died on March 17, 2016 while performing a special task of directing strikes of Russian aircraft in the area of ​​the city of Palmyra in the Syrian province of Homs. Once surrounded by militants of the Islamic State, the officer called fire on himself. The city was liberated by the Syrian government army and Desert Falcon militia units with support from the Russian Air Force on March 27.

    Original news RT in Russian:
    https://russian.rt.com/article/1582
    1. Thrall
      Thrall April 11 2016 19: 00
      +117
      To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATOlaughing
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 11 2016 19: 20
        +20
        Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

        Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!
        1. Yars
          Yars April 11 2016 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

          Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!

          nothing to do with the name! The tank itself is another upgrade of the m-64 and not a project from scratch.
          Yes, and in life this miracle must also be realized ...
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 April 11 2016 19: 56
            +15
            Quote: YARS
            The tank itself is the next modernization of the t-64 and not a project from scratch.

            It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64, and if there are no questions as to the BM (combat module), then there’s a lot of them on the platform itself ...

            Quote: Vadim237
            In Ukraine, the platform of the T 64 tank in bulk in the form of scrap metal and if they build it only in a single copy.

            Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into combat-ready condition, as the Kharkov plant demonstrates ...
            1. Makarov
              Makarov April 11 2016 20: 08
              +8
              obviously "base" means metal remelting 64-ok)
              1. crazyrom
                crazyrom April 12 2016 00: 53
                +6
                Dill even can not lie normally: the tower is declared as uninhabitable, and a gas extractor on the trunk.
                1. Evgeniy-111
                  Evgeniy-111 April 12 2016 08: 42
                  0
                  Yes, and the hatch behind the machine gun ...
            2. Ivan_ich
              Ivan_ich April 11 2016 20: 29
              +6
              Quote: PSih2097
              It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64, and if there are no questions as to the BM (combat module), then there’s a lot of them on the platform itself ...

              Judging by the picture, there won't be any armored capsules, which, in general, makes the whole venture meaningless ... This project is like an underground "wall" on the border.
              1. Ivan_ich
                Ivan_ich April 11 2016 20: 35
                +41
                The result will be something like this ...
                1. 2s1122
                  2s1122 April 11 2016 21: 12
                  +4
                  What is it, a new gas turbine engine or something fool
                  1. yehat
                    yehat April 11 2016 22: 52
                    +2
                    direct-flow)))
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 April 11 2016 21: 26
                +4
                Quote: Ivan_ich
                Judging by the picture, there won't be any armored capsules, which, in general, makes the whole venture meaningless ... This project is like an underground "wall" on the border.

                Judging by the drawing, there are no sights there either! Any panoramic, etc. That is, the tank is completely blind ...
            3. rehev931
              rehev931 April 11 2016 20: 40
              +8
              and if the tower is uninhabited, then why on the cannon an ejector? or armored capsule means the entire hull of the tank! ???
            4. In100gram
              In100gram April 11 2016 20: 57
              +2
              Quote: PSih2097
              here you forget that to bring them (T-64) into a combat-ready state doesn’t take a lot of time

              Almost two years is not a lot of time? Well, the regulators ...
            5. Albert1988
              Albert1988 April 11 2016 21: 25
              +1
              Quote: PSih2097
              Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into a combat-ready state,

              And to bring in incapacitated?)))))
            6. Gray brother
              Gray brother April 11 2016 21: 39
              +4
              Quote: PSih2097
              It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64.

              Use footless heroes of anti-terrorist operation - they occupy less place.
            7. UREC
              UREC April 11 2016 22: 19
              +1
              Technical matters are the tenth thing, the main thing is to cut down the dough at the beginning of development type.
            8. svp67
              svp67 April 12 2016 04: 52
              +1
              Quote: PSih2097
              It’s interesting how they push the armored capsule into the T-64.

              They removed the battery and tank rack from the control department, and instead of them placed an armored capsule. The fuel tank was moved to the stern, but where did the battery go?
              1. Retvizan 8
                Retvizan 8 April 12 2016 11: 55
                +1
                Which battery? Do not see the rectangles on the tower; these are solar panels!
                Azov -in development ahead of the rest.
            9. Serg81
              Serg81 April 12 2016 08: 23
              -1
              Only now you forget that it takes a very little time to bring them (T-64) into combat-ready condition, as the Kharkov plant demonstrates ... Yeah, not a lot of time from six months to a year for each unit. You think the tanks were stored in compliance with all preservation requirements, yeah. those tanks that could drive and could be quickly put into operation have already been put into operation, and those that remained are more suitable as scrap metal. You look at the photo of storage of tanks and other equipment, they are on the Internet.
              As for this miracle, you won’t even push an uninhabited tower there, purely from the design features of the T-64-T-90 tanks.
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            11. alexej123
              alexej123 April 12 2016 08: 58
              0
              How like - yes, usually. On the computer, the model is "pushed apart and shoved".
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            13. ltc22A
              ltc22A April 12 2016 09: 15
              +1
              Quote: PSih2097
              and if on BM (combat module) there are no questions as such

              HOW IS IT NOT? When Ukraine showed at least a prototype, not pictures. Anyone can draw pictures (go to thematic sites). And the idea was licked off from "Armata", there is no own version (and will not be)
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 11 2016 19: 58
            +7
            Quote: YARS
            the next modernization of the t-64

            belay Figase, modernization! On the basis of the T-64, make an uninhabited tower, change the crew, the entire control system. request
            1. Sergerius
              Sergerius April 11 2016 20: 33
              +12
              You are mistaken, he is on the radio control, the crew smokes in the bushes. drinks
          3. EVIL KOLORAD
            EVIL KOLORAD April 11 2016 22: 02
            +1
            The claim to MERCAVI is steered ... but brains and arms grow from assholes ...))
          4. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2016 04: 50
            +1
            Quote: YARS
            Yes, and in life this miracle must also be realized ...

            T-64BV already weighed 41,5 tons, and this "protrusion", higher, and even equipped with a large set of mounted protection - 39 tons ??????????? Here, either the engineers deliberately underestimated the figure, or somewhere, where ????????, used "drywall" to reduce the mass of the tank.
            The suspension from the T-64 was used and this is not the best solution, which of course allows to reduce the mass of the tank, to use the huge numerical potential, since the elements of this suspension, in the form of T-64 tanks, are SUPPLY in Ukraine, but it is too "soft" even for the usual "sixty-four", and for this "overgrowth" - I think it will generally be critical.
            The removal of the fuel tank from the control compartment to the stern is of course an interesting solution, but it will be interesting to see how this car burns when these tanks flash splinters and how much fuel is enough.
        2. poquello
          poquello April 11 2016 19: 59
          +4
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank.

          Did they name this "miracle of technology" by rearranging the letters in the word "sticker"? And what, painted and stuck - cheap and cheerful!

          Tyrex, tyrex, to the author +, very accurately, it is not clear only they will still be given money or not.
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot April 12 2016 22: 12
            0
            And the next will be the "plane" "Pterodactyl"
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr April 11 2016 19: 43
        +5
        What exciting news! So the Outskirts military-industrial complex is alive and ready to show its power? Or plywood tanks just here are outlined? Indeed: tremble, "Armata"!
        1. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai April 11 2016 23: 58
          +4
          So against Varmata new vna prepares Krajina.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 11 2016 19: 44
        +2
        In Ukraine, the platform of the T 64 tank in bulk in the form of scrap metal and if they build it only in a single copy.
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      5. maks-101
        maks-101 April 11 2016 20: 46
        +4
        Why are the tanks worth them you can draw and fight
      6. Persistent
        Persistent April 11 2016 20: 50
        +3
        To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATO

        And the armor plates will be glued together with "Moment" glue as before ?? laughing Apparently have to. Cooking armor plates is not for you to jump around burning tires !!!! laughing fool
      7. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper April 11 2016 21: 02
        +7
        They will not even get to plasticine, they stole 3DMach-ovsky digitization from a moderator-lover of tanks, and the "skin" of the fotogaber never finished, and sent it to Russia.
        One thing is true - the "tower" of the skakyborgs is uninhabited. No brains lived there.
      8. YARUSSIAN39
        YARUSSIAN39 April 11 2016 22: 46
        +1
        The project was copied from the armata, so let's see who will have a "paper tank" and who will have a shooter wassat
      9. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot April 12 2016 22: 11
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        To build a full-scale model of the tank, the Azovites have already begun to press clay in children's stores for the needs of the ATOlaughing



        Polystyrene foam
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    5. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 11 2016 19: 55
      +10
      Well, yes, now these Azov engineers will invent a perpetual motion machine for this miracle.
    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 11 2016 20: 00
      +4
      And what, the garbage bin on the tracks already changed their minds to release?))))
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 11 2016 21: 33
        0
        I finally realized what this tank looked like. He looks like a Jordanian Chieftain with an uninhabited tower.
    7. marlin1203
      marlin1203 April 12 2016 00: 47
      +2
      Yeah ... to draw pictures is "not to roll bags ..." laughing
    8. Archon
      Archon April 12 2016 08: 56
      -2
      Explain why in the commentary to write the news, which is on the topvar in the next branch, very close?
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 11 2016 18: 59
    +19
    Well, the guys did a good job, the pictures are colorful. It's time to plan the model of wood, plastic and no longer.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 11 2016 19: 10
      +16
      Well, I’d be surprised if it turned out that the developers had stolen a picture of a computer game about tanks, and given out as the latest development ... there were precedents.
      1. crumb
        crumb April 11 2016 19: 16
        +6
        Yes, they just copied from ARMATA well, sawed a bit with files and it turned out TYREKS
      2. just exp
        just exp April 11 2016 19: 55
        +7
        Duc there is the whole concept of Almaty, an uninhabited tower and 3 crew members in front.
        but how they screamed that the armata is bad and outdated and not impressive.
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    3. firefighter
      firefighter April 11 2016 19: 10
      +13
      But why plan? I blinded him from what was ... And they have this material (from which they mold) in everyone.
  3. KSLip
    KSLip April 11 2016 19: 00
    +24
    ... and also he is jumping across the battlefield ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall April 11 2016 19: 03
      +23
      I do not understand in the diagram where his moonshine is integrated? recourse
      1. Pereira
        Pereira April 11 2016 19: 08
        +13
        Apparently in the tower. And under the tower, as can be seen in the picture, a spill occurs on the tanks - gray ones.
  4. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik April 11 2016 19: 00
    0
    So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 11 2016 19: 07
      +20
      Quote: Egorchik
      So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.

      Maybe because they make tanks at UVZ, more than a dozen years, and they know more about them than collective farmers from Ukraine.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 11 2016 19: 08
        +40
        I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk. laughing
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        3. zennon
          zennon April 11 2016 19: 26
          +14
          Quote: Thrall
          I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk.

          But those who broke it (clickable):
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          2. Yars
            Yars April 11 2016 19: 47
            +6
            Quote: zennon
            Quote: Thrall
            I'm from the future. Here is a photo of this tank somewhere near Donetsk.

            But those who broke it (clickable):

            photography is not inherently correct !!!
            1. zennon
              zennon April 11 2016 21: 09
              +2
              Quote: YARS
              photography is not inherently correct !!!

              This is a photo from the calendar. In the lower right corner it says "Vacation at your own expense." Is that correct?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado April 11 2016 21: 18
                +9
                Quote: zennon

                This is a photo from the calendar. In the lower right corner it says "Vacation at your own expense." Is that correct?

                It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 11 2016 21: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Mikado
                  It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))

                  ehm ...
                  patriotic ..
                  1. cheap trick
                    cheap trick April 11 2016 22: 31
                    0
                    FURY (rage) movie
                  2. Retvizan 8
                    Retvizan 8 April 12 2016 12: 08
                    0
                    A shot from the comedy film "Rage".
                2. wasjasibirjac
                  wasjasibirjac April 11 2016 22: 09
                  0
                  trophy. or land lease. another option - somewhere off the pedestal or the museum was removed
                3. zennon
                  zennon April 12 2016 16: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Mikado
                  It remains to explain the origin of the "Sherman" on which they sit))

                  Trophy, clear stump! Mattress covers are kohlam from the master's shoulder, they will send rubber boats, then old "Shermans" are lying around!
          3. Serg81
            Serg81 April 12 2016 08: 55
            +2
            At least Photoshop was made on the basis of the T-34, and not on the basis of the Sherman - the firefly, which were not settled in the Red Army, but ordinary Shermans with a 75-mm gun. And then we wonder why, on May 9th, Panthers and Luffaff pilots appear on posters.
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 11 2016 20: 33
          0
          Further - near Slavyansk.
      2. Verdun
        Verdun April 11 2016 19: 34
        -43%
        I’m afraid that those who made tanks at UVZ today are looking for lanterns in the next world. Age. But even if there are promising ideas and developments, their implementation seriously rests on the lack of a serious engine-building base in Russia. Its main part remained in Ukraine.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 11 2016 19: 42
          +22
          Quote: Verdun
          I’m afraid that those who made tanks at UVZ today are looking for lanterns in the next world. Age. But even if there are promising ideas and developments, their implementation seriously rests on the lack of a serious engine-building base in Russia. Its main part remained in Ukraine.

          Of course, you think you made 1800 strong engine. Not a gas turbine. Who does not do such today. Everyone can, right?
          1. Verdun
            Verdun April 11 2016 20: 01
            -23%
            I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. And even in the case of creating a workable prototype before establishing mass production - a huge way. As for the Ukrainians, the engine-building base that remained at their disposal nevertheless allowed them to create a powerful diesel engine in the dimensions of the T-80 motor compartment, but ours did not. Although in the present mess they will certainly lose all their achievements.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka April 11 2016 20: 06
              +16
              Quote: Verdun
              I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. And even in the case of creating a workable prototype before establishing mass production - a huge way. As for the Ukrainians, the engine-building base that remained at their disposal nevertheless allowed them to create a powerful diesel engine in the dimensions of the T-80 motor compartment, but ours did not. Although in the present mess they will certainly lose all their achievements.

              Then you can ask, does the T-14 drive? Rides. And what engine is there? And about the engine. What dviglo Stronghold, as I understand it, is better than our V-92S2F? Why did the Ukrainians succeed, but we did not? And if you poke a difference of 70 horses at me, which is ridiculous with such numbers, I will immediately answer you, there are only 10 strongholds, EMNIP, and our B-92S2F are placed at 72 in bulk. The plan is not one hundred.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun April 11 2016 20: 12
                -16%
                In those distant days, when I worked in the automotive industry, the first motors that came to hand were installed on demo samples. And what do you think? The cars were driving! That's when "Armata" goes into series and we find out what it is like in combat and operation, there will be something to talk about. Until then, alas!
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka April 11 2016 20: 20
                  +13
                  Quote: Verdun
                  In those distant days, when I worked in the automotive industry, the first motors that came to hand were installed on demo samples. And what do you think? The cars were driving! That's when "Armata" goes into series and we find out what it is like in combat and operation, there will be something to talk about. Until then, alas!

                  So what engine is there? Please note that it is X-shaped, i.e. short in length, only 3 pots. There will not be cleaned dviglo from 72 or 90. Purely physically. So if this engine does not exist, what does the T-14 work on? By fortitude?
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 20: 29
                    -11%
                    Have you personally seen this motor? Then share your impressions.
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka April 11 2016 20: 31
                      +12
                      Quote: Verdun
                      Have you personally seen this motor? Then share your impressions.

                      Hold on.
                      http://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/201503/17/1467166/3.jpg
                      Or maybe like a tower? From cardboard?
                      1. Verdun
                        Verdun April 11 2016 20: 41
                        -20%
                        How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.
                      2. Muvka
                        Muvka April 11 2016 20: 43
                        +17
                        Quote: Verdun
                        How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.

                        Quote: The 12N360 engine is a fully-developed engine, not a bench engine at all, it was exactly the same on our promising tanks (object 195), which passed state tests not so long ago. In terms of the power plant, the GIs were completed successfully, the engine had no complaints - despite the fact that the tests were very stringent.
                        If this is not enough for you, I will no longer answer you. For it is useless.
                      3. MMX
                        MMX April 11 2016 21: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Muvka
                        Quote: Verdun
                        How many such beautiful designs burned down on test benches, without having worked even ten minutes. I would like to see not an exhibition layout, but a working sample.

                        Quote: The 12N360 engine is a fully-developed engine, not a bench engine at all, it was exactly the same on our promising tanks (object 195), which passed state tests not so long ago. In terms of the power plant, the GIs were completed successfully, the engine had no complaints - despite the fact that the tests were very stringent.
                        If this is not enough for you, I will no longer answer you. For it is useless.


                        But not worth it. Tovarisch merged you on all counts. From the side it is clearly visible.
                      4. RUSIVAN
                        RUSIVAN April 12 2016 00: 11
                        0
                        And it is useless to him either to answer, he will still find a reason for sadness and all is lost ...
                    2. RUSIVAN
                      RUSIVAN April 12 2016 00: 10
                      0
                      Well you and the whiner
            2. Yak-3P
              Yak-3P April 11 2016 21: 04
              +4
              You have been working for a long time .. creating now is not a problem - letting go of a series of problems .. and you’ve considered the compression on your accounts
          2. Verdun
            Verdun April 11 2016 20: 22
            -9
            As for the V-92S2F, this one is installed in the T-90 and T-72 motor compartments. The Ukrainian tank "Oplot" is essentially a T-80, with a gas turbine in its engine compartment. The place there is much less. A motor is required that can be crammed into a small size. It is these requirements that the 6TD-2E motor meets. Structurally, it is very different from the V-92S2F. There are engines not in 1800, but tens of thousands of horsepower. But for a tank it is extremely important that the motor is compact. This allows you to reduce the weight of the car, reducing the booking area. At the same time, I do not at all claim that the Ukrainians will be able to create an efficient tank. In their economic conditions, this is as impossible as going to the moon. Here are the pictures in 3D - please!
            1. Muvka
              Muvka April 11 2016 20: 29
              +7
              Quote: Verdun
              As for the V-92S2F, this one is installed in the T-90 and T-72 motor compartments. The Ukrainian tank "Oplot" is essentially a T-80, with a gas turbine in its engine compartment. The place there is much less. A motor is required that can be crammed into a small size. It is these requirements that the 6TD-2E motor meets. Structurally, it is very different from the V-92S2F. There are engines not in 1800, but tens of thousands of horsepower. But for a tank it is extremely important that the motor is compact. This allows you to reduce the weight of the car, reducing the booking area. At the same time, I do not at all claim that the Ukrainians will be able to create an efficient tank. In their economic conditions, this is as impossible as going to the moon. Here are the pictures in 3D - please!

              It’s strange. The length of the T-80 and T-72 are identical. But is the T-80 engine compartment smaller? L- Logic.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun April 11 2016 20: 38
                -4
                The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka April 11 2016 20: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: Verdun
                  The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!

                  Is there any link to the dimensions of the T-80 GTE? And the booking has improved, as I understand the windshield, because 1000 horses after 780 are a good increase ...
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 20: 45
                    -1
                    You are welcome!
                    http://www.klimov.ru/production/landmarine/GTD-1250/
                  2. Muvka
                    Muvka April 11 2016 20: 51
                    +9
                    Quote: Verdun
                    You are welcome!
                    http://www.klimov.ru/production/landmarine/GTD-1250/

                    Total:
                    GTE T-80: D / W / H / 1494 1042 888
                    B-46 T-72: 1480 896 902
                    Where is it smaller?
                    P.S. minus not me. I put the pros, while they allow.
                  3. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 21: 09
                    0
                    Power B-46 - 780 liters. with. GTE, even in the early version - 1000. In terms of dimensions, it is correct to compare it with the B-92 c2 or B-84 MS. They are slightly higher and this is precisely what prevents them from being shoved into the T-80 motor compartment. In addition, it is not the net dimensions that are considered, but the distance from the axis of the drive shaft.
                  4. Muvka
                    Muvka April 11 2016 21: 14
                    +4
                    Quote: Verdun
                    Power B-46 - 780 liters. with. GTE, even in the early version - 1000. In terms of dimensions, it is correct to compare it with the B-92 c2 or B-84 MS. They are slightly higher and this is precisely what prevents them from being shoved into the T-80 motor compartment. In addition, it is not the net dimensions that are considered, but the distance from the axis of the drive shaft.

                    There is another question. How then it turns out that the early engines are the same size, so the MTOs of 72 and 80 are the same + -. But at the same time, when the Ukrainians stuck the engine for 1200 horses - this is a breakthrough, and when ours stuck 1130 to 72, that's right, pff. So it turns out? The initial size of the MTO is the same, I recall. So why are they great and we are not?
                  5. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 21: 33
                    -6
                    Chelyabinsk motors, whatever one may say, in versions of the specified power appeared relatively recently. Ukrainian - more than 10 years ago. At the same time, I am not saying that Ukrainian specialists are superb. They only took advantage of the developments and the technological base created during the Soviet era. And the dimensions of the engine compartment on the T-72 and T-80 are not the same. After all, there is not only the engine, but also the transmission, with which the location of the engine has to be linked. On the way - T-72 and T-80 are very different machines. The motor installed on the "Armata" has an X-configuration. As practice shows, such motors are very capricious in operation and difficult to maintain. The fact that the engine has not yet been finished can be judged by the fact that during training before the May 9 parade, tanks passing by my house several times a night often stalled and stopped. It was not always possible to start.
                  6. Muvka
                    Muvka April 11 2016 21: 50
                    +6
                    For the first time: The Chelyabinsk GSKB Transdiesel was engaged in engine development, and will be produced at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. The four-stroke diesel engine, X-shaped, 12-cylinder with gas turbine turbocharging and intermediate cooling of the air, liquid cooling, the 12N360 engine passed the whole series of tests, from resource to running ones, back in 2011.
                    Secondly, the B92 was tested back in 2000, and that was already 1000 horses, mind you, before the 6TD-2E.
                    A dviglo stronghold, God forbid, was tested in the mid-2000s.
                  7. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 22: 03
                    0
                    That's just the power of 6TD-2E - 1200 liters. with.
                  8. Muvka
                    Muvka April 11 2016 22: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Verdun
                    That's just the power of 6TD-2E - 1200 liters. with.

                    And the power of 12N360, if forced, is 2200. The difference is 5-6 years, like 6TD with our B92. I just can’t find yet what year the V-92S2F appeared. Maybe at the same time as Ukrainian.
                  9. Muvka
                    Muvka April 11 2016 22: 17
                    +4
                    The only thing I agree with is that the 6TD-2E eats less. But, again, you need to consider that it is one thing to make a piece of goods for the record, and another thing to do a mass thing with a low price, because to buy 10 engines for $ 1 million (this is just for clarity, has nothing to do with reality) or 500 for the same price - will fly into a pretty penny. And since the budget is not rubber, and you need to upgrade a lot of equipment, you have to look for a middle ground between performance and price. I am sure that ours can make an even better engine in terms of volume to power, but no one will buy it, because it will be expensive (I mean the military commissar). I think so.
                    And again, please, give the guy a try.
                  10. Verdun
                    Verdun April 11 2016 22: 34
                    +1
                    The 6TD engine was launched into production in 1985. And even then it had a capacity of 1000 liters. with. Strongly torment iron for an increase of 200 liters. with. the designers did not have to. The motor is quite complicated structurally, but to compare it with an even more complex 12H360 with an X-shaped layout is simply incorrect. And the time gap between these engines is almost 30 years. I just consider it premature to shout at every corner how good the T-14 is until it goes into the series and enters the army. About Sukhoi - Superjet also shouted a lot, but what's the point?
                  11. Muvka
                    Muvka April 12 2016 18: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Verdun
                    The 6TD engine was launched into production in 1985. And even then it had a capacity of 1000 liters. with. Strongly torment iron for an increase of 200 liters. with. the designers did not have to. The motor is quite complicated structurally, but to compare it with an even more complex 12H360 with an X-shaped layout is simply incorrect. And the time gap between these engines is almost 30 years. I just consider it premature to shout at every corner how good the T-14 is until it goes into the series and enters the army. About Sukhoi - Superjet also shouted a lot, but what's the point?

                    Well, if he appeared in 85, then I'm sorry, he was created in the USSR. It was a single country.
                2. Verdun
                  Verdun April 11 2016 23: 03
                  +1
                  As for proplusation, you are in vain. This is how the Internet works. Someone is interested in correctly arguing, someone is interested in trolling an opponent. Or would you be interested in seriously discussing a picture, which, at best, has a place on the pages of the "Technology of Youth" magazine?
                3. Tankdriver
                  Tankdriver April 12 2016 00: 42
                  +3
                  The first appeared T-64 tank. Not a Ukrainian tank, but a Soviet one, in the creation of which the whole country took part. This was followed by a government decree on putting this tank into production at all the country's plants.
                  But in parallel with the development of the production of this tank at UVZ, a version of the T-64 was created with a slightly modified suspension and its own engine. So it turned out T-72.
                  And in Leningrad, they created their own version of the T-64, with the GTE. So it turned out the T-80, the production of which was deployed in Omsk.
                  Moreover, the GTD-1250 has never been a Ukrainian motor, but a Leningrad engine, created at the Klimov plant.
                4. Verdun
                  Verdun April 12 2016 09: 51
                  +2
                  T-72 is a further development of the T-62, the T-80 developed from the T-64. And, of course, the GTD-1250 was not developed in Ukraine. It just so happened that the main production of the T80UD (equipped with a diesel engine) was deployed in Kharkov. Gas turbine cars were produced in Omsk.
          3. Tankdriver
            Tankdriver April 12 2016 01: 06
            +4
            Everything is great, but this engine has a number of serious drawbacks. For example, the two-stroke operation scheme of the engine, which made it possible to obtain such compact dimensions at such a power (the Ukrainian diesel engine is really among the best world tank engines in this parameter), does not allow to obtain good fuel economy and cleanliness of the exhaust. The first increases fuel consumption, and the second greatly complicates the movement of tanks in the convoy.
            In addition, this engine (new) does not start without heating even at a temperature of plus 5-7 degrees, and if it has already walked, it can not start without heating even at plus 15-20 degrees. For a reliable start, this engine, at temperatures lower than those indicated, needs to be heated using a heater, or using an autonomous torch heating system, then oil-injected into the cylinders, and only after that it will start with a starter ...
      3. Muvka
        Muvka April 11 2016 21: 51
        +6
        And in my house, F-35s constantly fly by and strongholds are passing by. Every day I hear them stall. Refute me;)
        And then the question is, how did the 9th or 7th T-8s drive on the parade on May 14 and did not stall? Magnets pulled underground? Remember, there is not a small distance. The column is long. They somehow reached the square. And they drove on without breaking the order.
  5. Bruss
    Bruss April 12 2016 09: 03
    0
    This is St. Petersburg!
  • Alex 1972
    Alex 1972 April 11 2016 21: 19
    0
    Quote: Verdun
    Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine.

    T80 is a gas turbine modification of the T64, and it is diesel.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 11 2016 21: 27
      +3
      Quote: Alexey 1972
      T80 is a gas turbine modification of T64

      Chivoooooo ??? fool
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 12 2016 00: 29
    +1
    left in Ukraine
    Thank you for the competent construction of the proposal.
  • Evgen_Vasilich
    Evgen_Vasilich April 12 2016 08: 27
    +1
    Quote: Verdun
    The logic is to read what is written. Even in the quote you cited, you will find information that the T-80 was originally created by a gas turbine. In its size and weight, it is much smaller than a diesel engine. Although gluttonous. Using a gas turbine, it was possible to significantly increase the level of booking T-80 compared to T-72. Many tankers still count. that it would make sense to continue the production of the T-80 even with a gas turbine. Yes, the trouble is, everything necessary for this remains in Ukraine!

    dear, you are very mistaken in saying that the production of gas turbine engines remained in the urine! GTE always, ALWAYS done in Kaluga. and the 6TD or 5TDf underdrive is just an epic for maintenance and maintainability. the fact of heating before starting at an ambient temperature of +15 degrees Celsius is something. Skakly put their engine at eighty and this tank was named - T-80UD, and then, according to an old tradition, steal and say to everyone that it was always ours (like with space, etc., etc.), Now they are trying to gash a wunderwafel out of the T-64 submarine, the wind in their back and a steam locomotive to meet them.
  • Bruss
    Bruss April 12 2016 09: 01
    0
    Well, not exactly identical! Different body, suspension and something else!
  • Alex 1972
    Alex 1972 April 11 2016 20: 17
    +3
    Quote: Verdun
    I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many

    Do you mean the so-called "engineering group" of Azov?
    Let's be serious.
    Specify specifically these many.
  • Serg81
    Serg81 April 12 2016 09: 02
    +1
    I'm afraid to disappoint you, but, according to many, this engine is only in the plans. Writing a beautiful figure on paper and achieving real performance on a test bench are two different things. The T-80UD already has a 6TD diesel engine, this is a descendant of the engine with the T-64, which inherited from it all the pros and cons of this engine. Yes, and these engines cat cried
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 11 2016 19: 50
    +8
    In Ukraine, there is no motor-building base at all, even from KRAZ - they purchased all their engines from YaMZ, and now they are installing Germans and Chinese.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun April 11 2016 20: 06
      -2
      Between a good engine for a truck and a good engine for a tank is an abyss. At KRAZ, YaMZ engines were installed, as it was implied by the project developed back in the days of the USSR. The diesel engines produced by MTU are of very high quality. Like China's licensed Perkins and Caterpillar. But you should not engage in cap-making. Bad ends.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 11 2016 20: 27
        +2
        Now CNC machines allow any details for the engine to be made and there are calculation and simulation programs, but with the rest - there will be problems with consumables and electronics.
      2. Tankdriver
        Tankdriver April 12 2016 01: 16
        +4
        The KrAZ automobile plant itself was created on the basis of a combine plant, which, in turn, grew out of a bridge factory, which was built after the war in the process of restoring the national economy. The production of trucks was transferred from the Yaroslavl plant, and on a car such as the KrAZ-214, there was quite a tank engine YAZ-206, which we did, having bought a license from the Americans ...
        Attention, the question is what does Ukraine have to do with it?
  • Muvka
    Muvka April 11 2016 21: 31
    +1
    Well, it wasn’t necessary to minus the guy like that. We argued well. I learned something new for myself. Try, if not sorry.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 11 2016 21: 54
      +3
      Quote: Muvka
      Well, it wasn’t necessary to minus the guy like that. We argued well. I learned something new for myself. Try, if not sorry.

      You and comrade
      Quote: Verdun
      Verdun

      fucking respect.
      I enjoyed it a lot while reading your comment.
      Thanks guys. Alas, it has become a rarity in VO. Thanks again.
    2. Verdun
      Verdun April 12 2016 10: 05
      +2
      Thank you for your kind words, but it is unlikely to help!)) But seriously, I myself am a supporter of gas turbine tanks. With all the shortcomings of a gas turbine engine - high fuel consumption at low speeds, power drop with increasing height - tanks equipped with gas turbine engines have high speed and excellent acceleration dynamics. At 41 kilometers from Moscow (if I’m not mistaken), there is a museum of the T-34 tank along Dmitrovskoye Shosse. A retired colonel, a former tanker, commands them. So he says that the T-80 with a gas turbine engine is the only tank that he wanted to restrain during acceleration.
  • Aleks76
    Aleks76 April 11 2016 22: 12
    +1
    These are your promising developments ??? "Activists of the economic blockade of Crimea of ​​the Asker public formation have acquired a new armored car. This is a German-made MEN truck sheathed with armor plates and intended for transporting personnel, it is on the move and is in good condition."
    1. Rock2
      Rock2 April 12 2016 07: 59
      +3
      I like cuts on the forehead. These are the initial letters: P - Poroshenko, T - Tyagnibok, N - Nalyvaichenko, CLO - you know ...
  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac April 11 2016 22: 15
    +1
    There is only one answer - crew hatches. placing the crew in an armored capsule in place of the driver, we get only 1 hatch for landing the crew, and at a certain position of the tower it overlaps. in Armata, the hull is elongated to place hatches in front of the tower. at T-64, 72 there is only 1 hatch. the convenience of landing and landing, especially if the tank is damaged, can be imagined.
  • Mayday1981
    Mayday1981 April 11 2016 23: 25
    +4
    Let me disagree with you. If you were talking about aviation, you would be 100% right. But Ukrainian tanks have 2-stroke diesel engines, according to many, there is a dead end in the development of engines for armored vehicles. They simply have no other.
  • AVA77
    AVA77 April 11 2016 20: 45
    +2
    Here, the collective farmers do not need to be touched! They are sitting at the levers in the core. Mercs did not drive more than 75 and the cornfield.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 11 2016 21: 23
      +1
      Quote: AVA77
      Here, the collective farmers do not need to be touched! They are sitting at the levers in the core. Mercs did not drive more than 75 and the cornfield.

      I am figuratively. I myself live on the outskirts of a small town of 35k in a private house. And I wait until the remnants of snow come down and the earth dries out to start digging;) It's just these people who design tanks, without education and from the backwoods. That's what they can get a tank.
  • ssergn
    ssergn April 11 2016 19: 08
    +12
    Well, how's the folk there - it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. I somehow do not think at all that UVZ are some kind of suckers. This, by the way, is not an engineering group, but a Corporation with its own design bureau, pilot production and other, other, other ....
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 April 11 2016 21: 17
      0
      Did you catch the meaning of the answer?
  • Forest
    Forest April 11 2016 21: 37
    0
    So T-14 so on this layout. It’s difficult to take everything out to the tower, it will complicate the rotation of the tower, and when installing the promising 152-mmka it will generally overweight.
  • Serg81
    Serg81 April 12 2016 08: 32
    0
    So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length. They don’t do it because the design features of the T-64-T-90 do not allow three people to cram into the nose of the car, there simply is no place for three people, it will be cramped for two))))
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  • pest
    pest April 11 2016 19: 00
    +5
    In the form of a cardboard layout - this is his fate. And no more.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 11 2016 20: 05
      +5
      You are a great optimist!
      Where to find so much cardboard in Ukraine?
  • Altona
    Altona April 11 2016 19: 00
    +4
    That they always have some kind of influx, some kind of niches for garbage. Are these side ashtrays aft and glass containers? They would call the tank "the dream of the APU drunkard." The symbiosis of a toilet and a tractor. Tank "Push and Rex" ...
    1. Rader
      Rader April 11 2016 19: 53
      +2
      Come on you! Well, they wanted the T-64 to protest a year with the use of plastic moldings and boxes from under the drunk drunk, well, that's it! The picture also turned out pretty (i.e. not ugly as usual).
      There is nothing to say about the technical side of this project. If that works out, then it will be similar to the Polish PL: old tank + a lot of plastic fellow "People are eating", and the money will be cut - everyone is happy, in one word! wink
    2. your1970
      your1970 April 11 2016 20: 01
      +3
      and the basket around the back of the tower? a dream, after all, there’s so much that can be put together, where are there without a trunk ...
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental April 11 2016 19: 00
    +4
    The bottom will also crack until it crawls to the landfill. And most likely it will remain so in the drawings. In general, T-Rex (Tyrex) is a British rock band from the 60s. Ukrainians are plagiarists!
    1. uragan114
      uragan114 April 11 2016 19: 17
      +5
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      (Tirex) is a British rock band from the 60s.


      And in the Hollywood manner, the so-called tyrannosaurus
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 11 2016 19: 22
        +5
        which may have been a scavenger laughing
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental April 11 2016 19: 36
        +3
        Well yes .. Tyrannosaurus Rex smile
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    2. kotvov
      kotvov April 11 2016 19: 45
      +2
      And most likely it will remain so in the drawings,
      what are the drawings, drawings a la Picasso.
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 11 2016 19: 02
    +4
    What does it cost us
    build a tank ...
    Draw - and go!
    1. In100gram
      In100gram April 11 2016 21: 19
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      What does it cost us
      build a tank ...
      Draw - and go!

      They should draw cartoons. At this rate, Disney will be "ahead of" laughing
  • Vitas
    Vitas April 11 2016 19: 03
    +4
    The guys in VOTU replayed. All the designers ... and as for business, they won’t assemble a bicycle either!
  • vnedra
    vnedra April 11 2016 19: 03
    +3
    lapping unfinished, they only do something out of garbage containers.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 April 11 2016 19: 06
    +3
    Ukrainian "Azov" presented the development of the "Tirex" tank. Fear, "Armata"
    Well what can I say to that. I think everyone hid at the Uralvagon plant. And which I’ll only come to ... in the Square one.
  • bolyasnikov evgenij
    bolyasnikov evgenij April 11 2016 19: 07
    +5
    yes well done Ukrainians. know how to draw!
  • konetit
    konetit April 11 2016 19: 08
    +3
    You look, warships have already been built, now they are building tanks, they will soon fly into space on their own. laughing
    1. crumb
      crumb April 11 2016 19: 17
      +2
      yeah and India 500 planes will be built
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 11 2016 19: 10
    +4
    Quote: Egorchik
    So I always thought why UVZ did not begin to apply this layout? In my opinion, it’s a very successful solution. Three people in front like a coalition with a chassis based on the t-90, the tower is freed up and can be re-arranged for longer crowbars, batteries, etc. under the tower, the result is a car in the dimensions of a standard truck with an uninhabited tower. the sides of the armata do not twist almost twice as much because of the greater height and length.

    Any penetration under the tower, detonation of ammunition. The t-72 shells in the carousel lie horizontally, several times lower than the lesion area. This is even me, not a tank expert I can say. And three people in front in 72 will not fit, there is nowhere: ((It was possible to develop the ideas of the black eagle, but the chassis 72 had already exhausted itself. From 42 tons we got under a fifty dollars. You can’t shove the uncanny.
    The seventh rink gave a backlog to increase armor, gun caliber, anything.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik April 11 2016 19: 28
      0
      1.A Armata does not break into the side? She also has ammunition behind the wall of the side, it is possible to re-arrange the crew without problems in the tower and there’s a lot of space. Or put a tower from Burlak with ammunition in a crazy niche.
      2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
      3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one.
      1. Alex 1972
        Alex 1972 April 11 2016 20: 19
        0
        ARMAT KAZ has Afghanite, but what about Tirex?
      2. Serg81
        Serg81 April 12 2016 09: 37
        0
        2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
        3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one.
        Only there’s a small one: Coalition and Msta-B, the reservation isn’t anti-ballistic, and yes, if you make a forehead to hold 30-40mm then three people can be shoved, but then it will not be the main tank, but light, which is in this form tries not needed. And in general I have the impression that the designers of this miracle in WOT play for the French, they also had such tanks in 50-60 years, they were current light and medium tanks, but not the main tank
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  • Pereira
    Pereira April 11 2016 19: 11
    +6
    I have the feeling that some site visitors are discussing these wet fantasies of horses in all seriousness.
    1. In100gram
      In100gram April 11 2016 21: 23
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      some visitors to the site discuss these wet fantasies of horses in all seriousness

      I can’t laugh without tears laughing
  • drags33
    drags33 April 11 2016 19: 12
    +9
    Well, now, the list of projects for a new Ukrope "weapon" has been replenished with one more "development". True, it looks more like the notes of a schizophrenic inventor with an uninhabited tower. Well, well, the silly thought is getting richer ...
    1. sesame
      sesame April 11 2016 19: 55
      +3
      It is a sin to laugh at the sick laughing
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist April 11 2016 19: 56
      +1
      I understand that mattresses pick up bombs from above? Horror belay
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 April 11 2016 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: drags33
      Well, now, the list of projects for a new Ukrope "weapon" has been replenished with one more "development".



      And in the photo - what is (who) 777 "Zaporozhets beyond the Danube" ???
  • Alex 1972
    Alex 1972 April 11 2016 19: 13
    +8
    The picture is nothing ...
    The cannon on the sketch with ejectors; it is not needed in an uninhabited tower. It speaks directly about the professional level of the so-called "engineering group" of the ABC regiment.
    1. VP
      VP April 11 2016 19: 35
      +2
      Duc they still have nowhere to take other guns, only from the old storage and remove the sandpaper-nulevka from rust to clean)
      The production of modern tank guns is a separate very complex and high-precision production.
      1. Alex 1972
        Alex 1972 April 11 2016 20: 07
        0
        I read somewhere that they had mastered the production of guns, at some pipe factory there ..
        Other than jokes.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 11 2016 19: 14
    +3
    Yes-ah, business! Our Tagil residents nervously smoke on the sidelines. Poor Armata has no chance against this. To urgently announce a fundraising campaign for the "Tirex" on Maidania, but no, for a convoy, at least 500 pieces, so that with one blow, Nizhny Tagil will reach ... is it really possible that nobody will fold?
    And "Tirex" is short for Tyrannosaurus Rex? Which one is the same age as the ancient ukram, and they used it on the hunt, trained the Diplodocus? Then everything will work out. Believe Believe Believe
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 11 2016 19: 15
    +18
    We are waiting for the corresponding projects from the "Aydar" battalion ... Schizophrenics breed with a geometric progression.
  • private person
    private person April 11 2016 19: 16
    0
    They just mixed Word of Tanks and mixed up reality.
    1. In100gram
      In100gram April 11 2016 21: 26
      0
      Quote: private person
      They just mixed Word of Tanks and mixed up reality

      richer in thought laughing
  • frekenbok
    frekenbok April 11 2016 19: 18
    +2
    very deep modernization, but such that in appearance as much as the aglitsky counter-terrorism came out .. well, well laughing
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 April 11 2016 19: 19
    +6
    there is not a tank, there they all have a "tower" uninhabited
  • Tanya
    Tanya April 11 2016 19: 21
    +3
    Let the Germans sell their development, otherwise the German designers haven’t figured out yet how to answer Armata. I think they will be happy, torn off with arms and legs.
  • VP
    VP April 11 2016 19: 27
    +4
    And magnets, magnets do not forget! Well, so that the shells rejected.
    How simple they are.
    Leading tank-building countries are investing billions in the development of structures, materials, assemblies, components, systems, meticulously calculating, rejecting and re-creating, inventing new technologies to make it possible to do it, organize cooperation for the production of individual elements with hundreds of enterprises, over the years test in parties and do fine-tuning ...
    And then he lit a cigarette, scratched behind his ear, scribbled with pencil on paper, opened a workshop in the garage and a shit - the tank sculpted in the world is ready, welcome!
    1. Abbra
      Abbra April 11 2016 19: 35
      +1
      And between "lit a cigarette" and "scratched behind the ear" - grunt a stack of vodka!
      1. VP
        VP April 11 2016 19: 39
        +1
        Here you can’t get by with a stack, there isn’t enough inspiration)
      2. gunya
        gunya April 11 2016 19: 56
        0
        Not a stack, but an imaginary glass, but rather a bucket, then the brain invents faster.
    2. your1970
      your1970 April 11 2016 20: 04
      +1
      so they, according to your scheme, their "Patrols-B" and mold, well, those that are cracked repeat .....
  • jovanni
    jovanni April 11 2016 19: 43
    +4
    Tirex, tyreth, ty ... ugh! What is this ... Some kind of dumb name ... Is it like garbage like that for toilets? Although it makes sense. Oh, they will lower the remaining money there ...
    1. Akim
      Akim April 12 2016 01: 02
      0
      Tirex - Tyrannosaurus Rex. In the US, a very popular word for coolness and brutality.
  • skeptik
    skeptik April 11 2016 19: 44
    +2
    Something about the engine did not write anything. Will the foot soldiers push him?
    1. In100gram
      In100gram April 11 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: skeptik
      Something about the engine did not write anything

      And there is no place for it in the picture. Again "ah nane technology" laughing
      1. Bramb
        Bramb April 11 2016 21: 32
        0
        Normal tank!
        The flag is lacking only, springs for jumping and a speaker instead of a gun.
    2. Akim
      Akim April 12 2016 01: 04
      0
      Have you watched the Flintstones? Then why the question about the engine ???
  • vobels
    vobels April 11 2016 19: 44
    +1
    "..development may again allow" tyrit "budgetary funds under loud cries of protection from" Kremlin aggression ".." And it will turn out like with a fence along the border: they blind the layout from the boards, paint and present.
  • sergant89
    sergant89 April 11 2016 19: 47
    0
    They already declare that it will be cooler than "Armata", children in one word

    The engineering group of the Ukrainian Azov regiment developed its own Tirex tank based on the T-64 tank. The modernized armored vehicles, according to the developers, can compete with the latest Russian tank Armata. On Monday, April 11, Sergey Zgurets, editor-in-chief of Defense Express magazine, announced on his Facebook page.
    «The T-64 tank existing in Ukraine makes it possible to create new vehicles with the necessary combat potential on its basis as soon as possible. In terms of their capabilities, they are comparable to the most modern armored combat vehicles, including the widely advertised “Armata” ”, - the words of the developers are given in the message.
    At the same time, in their opinion, the Tirex “will be comparable in terms of combat effectiveness, and with the introduction of a tactical link control system, it will exceed the capabilities of the most modern Ukrainian tank“ BM Oplot ”.
    The Azov engineering group also announced the installation of a “new modern LMS (fire control system - approx.“ Lenti.ru ”) on a tank,” a new technology for the production of heavy armored vehicles in Ukraine, “significantly accelerating both timelines and reducing energy and labor costs “. In addition, the developers plan to create an Azovochka combat vehicle.
    On April 1 in Kiev the first tests of the Ukrainian "innovative tank" "Azovets", created on the basis of a bulldozer for "Azov", took place. The creators of "Azovets" described it as a "tank for fighting in the city" or "highly protected heavy universal tracked platform."
    BM "Oplot" ("Oplot-M") - the main battle tank, is a deep modernization of the T-80UD tank, performed by the Morozov Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau.
    Armata (T-14) is the newest Russian medium tank based on the Armata universal tracked platform.
    T-64 - Soviet medium tank, developed in the design bureau of the Kharkov factory named after Malyshev, was produced in the 1960's.
    Lenta.ru
    1. yehat
      yehat April 11 2016 22: 57
      0
      Tirex for protection will never catch up with Armata, because the armature of the chassis has more rollers than the t-64 base and can lift about 10 tons more.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 11 2016 19: 48
    +2
    What can you say: "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers!" fool
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  • skeptik
    skeptik April 11 2016 19: 50
    +1
    Yes, they surpassed UVZ. We’ll have to invent something new before Tirex reaches the Urals. Ukrainians have already scared everyone with their developments. The world's most powerful army is being created. Soon they will take up the development of space drones or satellites with lasers.
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 11 2016 19: 54
    +5
    Quote: Egorchik
    1.A Armata does not break into the side? She also has ammunition behind the wall of the side, it is possible to re-arrange the crew without problems in the tower and there’s a lot of space. Or put a tower from Burlak with ammunition in a crazy niche.
    2. Oddly, the Coalition fit perfectly and yours does not fit.
    3. The mass of the car will not grow, if not cool, and a car with an uninhabited tower does not require such a massive reservation of a tower as an inhabited one.

    1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
    2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
    3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
    Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.
    Look at the mass of the t-72 first series, 41 tons. T-90 is already 46+. We’ll take out the ammunition from the tower, you also need to book it, an increase in the reservation area will give an increase in weight. What do we get? The chassis is designed for 41 tons, drags 50 with a hook. 20% overload. The problem is solved, we strengthen the chassis, we put a more powerful engine. And all this good will fit into the old building? Yes, you just look at it, the mass has increased. As a result, in the bottom line, what do we have? Redesigned housing, engine, transmission. tower. Moreover, after all the disturbances, we will not have a backlog in weight for modernization. Ahem, isn’t it easier to make a new one than to masturbate? We need a tank not to ride in the desert and not on the autobahns. I have a training ground 15km from the house, I saw it in the fall. Merkava or Abrams won't even get there. (You just don’t need to post a photo here where they ride on a wet wet after rain desert. Dirt, this is when the mechanical drive covers the sunroof).
    Need 7 rink, if not cool. It's time for the tankers of normal growth to shove the tank. And a reserve of weight is needed for a 152mm mortar to throw real crowbars, not 800mm tricks.
    I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik April 11 2016 20: 28
      -3
      Quote: demiurg

      1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
      2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
      3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
      Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.

      1. What does the drawing have to do with it? I asked why the UVZ didn’t follow this path, and you tell me about laying the T-64 once again, you don’t have a crew in the tower, arrange the laying as you like, even if you’re lying at least standing out of the tower.
      2. Here you see the crew fits perfectly in the nose t 90 and t 72. And the batteries and stuff fit under the tower there a lot of space because the crew was removed from there.
      3. It requires but much less, comparing the Abrams or Leo tower and the Armata tower it is several times smaller. So there will be no maximum weight increase up to the level of 90ms which cannot be reproached, as it were, in poor traffic.
    2. yehat
      yehat April 11 2016 22: 58
      +1
      Quote: demiurg

      I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

      an experienced tanker can try to score a ramrod through the barrel of a gun
      neither mass nor length is a hindrance.
  • HMR333
    HMR333 April 11 2016 19: 58
    +2
    the funny thing is that they once again took the armata model and redid it slightly in Photoshop and now they came up with a tank))) it looks particularly funny that they gave the characteristics although the project doesn’t have some pictures from Photoshop)))
  • fif21
    fif21 April 11 2016 19: 58
    +5
    Reality is different from the project.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 11 2016 20: 31
      0
      This armored car cost 60 million hryvnias, and Tirex will probably cost two more.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 11 2016 19: 58
    0
    KNIFE and Duplet can save against RPGs and ATGMs, but there’s no more from everything else, a mine is falling from above — falling into the fuel tank — fire — and then hi.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 11 2016 20: 22
      0
      Have you seen traces of mines on the pavement?
      With such a gentle fuse and with a side zone of fragmentation, it is not very dangerous for the tank.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 11 2016 22: 12
        0
        I'm talking about getting a mine or artillery shell into a tank.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 11 2016 19: 58
    +3
    Quote: demiurg
    I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

    We must not eat after 18 00! wink
    1. In100gram
      In100gram April 11 2016 21: 42
      0
      Quote: Alget87
      We must not eat after 18 00!

      This is from 100+. And where to put 185+? What has grown has grown. In a tank "such" body will fit only lying down. Tankers always had a height restriction. Dimensions, "you know" (C). The irony is unnecessary.
      PS: I don’t put a minus, but I don’t need to offend a person for heroic proportions. And you are a tank, apparently only seen in the pictures in Murzilka.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 11 2016 20: 03
    +2
    "Ukrainian" Azov "presented the development of the" Tirex "tank. Fear," Armata "..." ...

    Eh-ma ... Fear Russian military science, the military-industrial complex-defense industry and the armed forces ...

    Judging by almost weekly applications for super-duper-nano-innovative weapons being created, the most combat-ready in the world (or in Europe?) The army will soon conquer not only the globe, but also the Universe ...
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 11 2016 20: 11
    +2
    Quote: Alget87
    Quote: demiurg
    I’m just offended, I won’t fit in 72 :)) 185+ 100+ :))

    We must not eat after 18 00! wink

    I will drink, but I will not give up smoking lol
    I drove the weight from 110 to 83, a little over a year. Growth where to put?
  • exo
    exo April 11 2016 20: 14
    +2
    It turns out that creating a tank is so simple! Why are these research institutes and design bureaus? :)
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 11 2016 20: 20
    +1
    Information to boost the morale of the right sector.
    No more...
  • Omsk
    Omsk April 11 2016 20: 21
    +3
    it’s not clear what a laugh. by the way, there will be a battery-powered engine with nuclear rods; no refueling is needed. in addition, the sealing and successful location of the third retractable track allows the tank to move along the seabed for a long time with depths of up to 795,23 m., and torpedoes with increased power and range can be launched through the barrel. The installed anti-aircraft machine gun has also undergone a deep modernization, which allows it to shoot bursts of ammunition with guided bullets with photon pumping in both high explosive and explosive directions. In fact, the Azovites created a small destroyer of deep and orbital action.
  • Kibl
    Kibl April 11 2016 20: 34
    +1
    How much Ukrainian soil is still rich! Debiloids just spike to the growth of power transmission towers and the crop is fed 6 times a year!
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 11 2016 20: 37
    +2
    The Germans and the French united in vain. It was only necessary to take a couple of "Azovs" and in a month or two would roll out a new tank for testing.
    1. exo
      exo April 12 2016 12: 15
      0
      The Germans and the French, there are not so many old chassis from the T-64. Here they are tormented, they create.
  • Sergerius
    Sergerius April 11 2016 20: 39
    +1
    No, they need "cranberries" crying
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus April 11 2016 20: 39
    +1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Well, the guys did a good job, the pictures are colorful. It's time to plan the model of wood, plastic and no longer.


    I can no worse pile and render in 3DS MAX in a couple of hours)) laughing
  • Bramb
    Bramb April 11 2016 20: 51
    +1
    Pictures taken from an Internet from Almaty. All in one: platform, uninhabited tower, etc. Only the pictures have changed a bit, like ours.
    Drawings, I wonder, do they have? Do they even imagine how much they need for only one tower? And the calculations? These are the years of work of the best engineers !!! Wagons of documents !!! And here at a leisure between shelling the lads gathered - and yeah! There is a tank !!! )))))
    If a crest does not steal, then he will not fall asleep.
  • tchoni
    tchoni April 11 2016 20: 53
    -1
    In principle, given the fact that the T-64 or 80ki turret is quite seriously robotic, then, at the cost of a certain reduction in ammunition and power reserve, they can get an ersatz "armature" with little blood (relatively small). Happiness lies in the fact that in the conditions of today it will not be possible to set up these devices ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 11 2016 20: 58
      +2
      Quote: tchoni
      given the fact that the t-64 tower ... is pretty seriously robotic

      Can't you get more details from this moment? Where is she "seriously robotic"? Here he served on it, and did not notice ... request
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 11 2016 22: 43
        -2
        Is there any az? - there is!
        Already there are two control panels for the turret and gun? - there is! one from the commander of the other at the gunner.
        Ballistic computer present - present!
        You were in the tower when you sat a lot of RMEN handles twisted? More and more buttons were pressed.
        Here you have the robot. And you can bring out these same consoles (or say one console for the gunner) to where the right tank used to be ... But the commander, and in the Khokhlyat spirit, will not be given control at all. Cameras on the body stumble and monitors instruct. Look, command, make decisions.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 11 2016 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: tchoni
          Already there are two control panels for the turret and gun? - there is! one at the commander another at the gunner

          - the commander does not have a "turret and gun control panel". There is a target designation button to turn the tower wherever he pleases

          Quote: tchoni
          Ballistic computer present - present

          - which side here? Well, ok .. present wink

          Quote: tchoni
          And to bring out these same remotes (or say one remote for the gunner) to where the right tank used to be - you can still

          - exactly laughing

          Only the gunner will have to show the picture from the sight somehow .. a non-trivial task, by the way ..

          And so - yes, robotic ... to the limit, practically request

          Picture from 1G42:
          1. tchoni
            tchoni April 12 2016 09: 55
            -2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Only the gunner will have to show the picture from the sight somehow .. a non-trivial task, by the way ..

            No problem. We place the photosensitive matrix behind the eyepiece at the desired distance and the result on the screen at the gunner. Actually not very difficult.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            There is a targeting button to turn the tower wherever he wants

            As well as buttons, by clicking on which you can measure the range to the target. And one more button - a gunner’s descent understudy. Why not an ersatz gun control panel? and the tower?
            And a little to the topic of the article. The skippers shouldn't make a super-tank, they need to make an ersatz reinforcing-like. Even in a single copy. And then yell at the whole Skakel-land, "tse peremog. Ukrainian native" garmat ")
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 11 2016 20: 56
    +2
    Quote: Egorchik
    Quote: demiurg

    1. Everything breaks through. Look at the picture, the ammunition in the AZ is upright. Now fold them, with your socks in the center. How much has the lesion area decreased?
    2. Yeah, they removed everything from the front of the tank. the tower has grown a little in size.
    3. Why does this uninhabited tower reservation not require?
    Everything was invented before us, by people who have access to data on the number of BBT lesions in different places, and moreover, these are people with rich practice and experience.

    1. What does the drawing have to do with it? I asked why the UVZ didn’t follow this path, and you tell me about laying the T-64 once again, you don’t have a crew in the tower, arrange the laying as you like, even if you’re lying at least standing out of the tower.
    2. Here you see the crew fits perfectly in the nose t 90 and t 72. And the batteries and stuff fit under the tower there a lot of space because the crew was removed from there.
    3. It requires but much less, comparing the Abrams or Leo tower and the Armata tower it is several times smaller. So there will be no maximum weight increase up to the level of 90ms which cannot be reproached, as it were, in poor traffic.

    There is some kind of internal volume of the tank. Moreover, for compactness, the crew and ammunition are nearby. We want to carry crew and ammunition to different places. Here's something tells me that the place is not enough corny. Otherwise, why would the crew have growth restrictions on the t-72? If we take out the ammunition in a crazy niche, yes, additional volume will appear. But we still have to book it. And for an adult. Otherwise, this tank will leave any BMP without weapons. Jamshut with dshk will also be able. We reserve it weakly, the ammunition will be torn when penetrated. The crew will survive, but the tank will not be on the battlefield. Well, no way without increasing the mass (while maintaining the same stability on the battlefield) did not increase the internal volume.
    Well, the control question, where will we shove the 152 mm gun? And at least 30 shots to her. On the T-72 or T-90, such a birdhouse will have to be attached, that the KV-2 will seem like a children's party. About the little things like radar, and electronics do not remember. Recall that now anyone can control the tank, without growth restrictions. In a real battle, the tank can be hidden behind a hill (or in a hollow) 1.2-1.5 meters. But the tower will remain. For it is desirable to shoot. Well, if a hefty tower looks at the one who is attacking, remember the safe maneuvering angles. But what if the oncoming battle is on a tank company on each side? And we have ammunition in a hefty, weakly armored tower.
    There is such a bike, I do not know if it is true or not. In 44, one wise guy suggested putting a 75mm panther gun in the T-4. But they didn’t do that, although the t-4 case was several times cheaper than the panther. Because the gun did not climb into the old tower, it was necessary to expand the epaulette. And this is a weighting of the tank, and a strong additional processing of the hull. And the transmission would simply not have pulled it.
    Understand that if the chassis from the original is overloaded by 20%, this is already close to the limit. The tank is my age, 1972.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 11 2016 22: 48
      +2
      For demiurg.
      In the film "Chief Designer" if there is an episode when M.Koshkin and the inspector are watching a German newsreel with a tank bias.
      - Not solid.
      -What is not solid?
      - They have 37 mm guns, not really.
      -So what? They’ll put it bigger.
      - No, they won’t.
      -Why? What do they have no guns?
      - There are guns, the tower is small. We calculated our 34th with a margin. At first they set 45 mm, now 76, and in which case you can put more powerful.
      A 60 mm gun cannot be pushed into a tank tower of the 152s of the last century. I think so...
  • Bramb
    Bramb April 11 2016 21: 04
    0
    In fact, this was the case.
    Money stopped paying. Robbing was also dangerous: you see how it turned into Mukachevo. But money is allocated for the war with the aggressor. We took pictures from an Internet (there are a lot of them) a little imagination - and opple !!! Ready a new tank with a capsule, three tracks and a 300 caliber vigorous cannon!
    Give us money, we protect puppies!

    True, even in this crazy country they will be asked about the calculations, drawings and the rationale for choosing a particular grade of steel and material. The horses will be surprised greatly by such questions, I suppose. ))))
  • Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 April 11 2016 21: 16
    +1
    Someone has clearly played "tanks online", judging by the Konponovka