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New patrol ships of the 22160 project will be equipped with unique technical complexes

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The company Kronstadt Technologies (part of the Kronstadt Group) will equip the patrol ships of the 22160 project being built for the Russian Navy at Zelenodolsk Shipyard with unique complexes of technical equipment, reports press office enterprises.




“Kronstadt Technologies” company is the developer of a unique set of integrated bridge system, which will be delivered to the shipyard for installation on the first and second ship hulls. The integrated bridge system is a ship complex of navigation, lighting, control and communication equipment used by the crew in an automated way, ”the release says.

According to the information, “the complex includes equipment for measuring, testing and navigation, communication, radio and television equipment for in-ship and external communications, means for providing radar, radio navigation and remote control, as well as an electronic cartographic complex.”

“The integrated bridge system unites all controls and is designed to improve the quality and efficiency of organizing control of the ship, its combat and technical means, to ensure the ship’s alert No. XXUMX,” the report says.

"Russian developer of integrated solutions for the Naval Fleet - Kronstadt Group - has extensive experience and a set of key competencies to create both unique and serial, letter-based solutions for equipping ships and special-purpose ships. At the same time, a number of large projects are being implemented simultaneously, in compliance with all contract terms, which confirms the multitasking and high production potential of our enterprise, ”the press service of the head of the military-technical direction of the Group, Ilya Brilliantov, quotes.

A total of 6 patrol ships of this project will be built. The lead ship, which should arrive in the Navy by the end of 2016 of the year, was laid in February of 2014 of the year, the second and third hull - in the summer of 2015 and at the beginning of 2016 of the year, respectively.

Company Help: “The 22160 project ships are designed to protect territorial waters, as well as escort ships and vessels during sea crossings, to patrol the exclusive economic zone in the open and closed seas; suppressing smuggling and piracy, searching for and assisting victims of sea catastrophes, and carrying out environmental monitoring of the environment. The state program of Russia involves the construction of six ships, which will be included in each of the four fleets, up to 2019 of the year. ”
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Nikolai Novichkov, http://www.janes.com
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  1. just exp
    just exp April 11 2016 18: 56
    -3
    By the way, a balanced ship turns out both air defense and anti-aircraft defense and shock functions are normal, from Onyx to Caliber. and there is a spinner.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov April 11 2016 19: 02
      -1
      Where did you get information about onyx and calibers on these ships?
      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 11 2016 19: 15
        +6
        Gauges?
        Obama just said that the United States has all the trump cards of the world, but it turns out, only Jokers? laughing
      2. just exp
        just exp April 11 2016 19: 41
        +4
        Have you tried using search engines? Speaking strongly in life helps.
        at 22160 is UKKS
        that's even with pedivics
        Radar weapons radar "Pal-N"
        Radar station "Positive-MA1"
        Radio-electronic weapons ГАК МГК-335EM-03
        GAS "Vignette-EM"
        GAS Pallada
        complex REP TK-25
        complex rep PK-10
        Tactical strike weapons UVP RK "Caliber-NK"
        Artillery 1 × 1-57mm АУ A-220М
        Missile weapons RCC 3M54 and / or 3M55
        1 × launcher 3M-47 "Bending"
        2 × launcher SAM "Shtil-1" [1] (optional)
        Anti-submarine weapons 2 grenade launcher DP-65
        91Р1 and 91РТ2 rocket torpedoes
        Aviation group helicopter weighing up to 12 tons (Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31)
        or several UAVs [2]

        Can you find Caliber and Onyx there?
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov April 11 2016 19: 54
          -10%
          Quote: just explo
          Have you tried using search engines? Speaking strongly in life helps.
          at 22160 is UKKS
          that's even with pedivics
          Radar weapons radar "Pal-N"
          Radar station "Positive-MA1"
          Radio-electronic weapons ГАК МГК-335ЭМ-03
          GAS "Vignette-EM"
          GAS Pallada
          complex REP TK-25
          complex rep PK-10
          Tactical strike weapons UVP RK "Caliber-NK"
          Artillery 1 × 1-57mm AU A-220M
          Missile weapons RCC 3M54 and / or 3M55
          1 × launcher 3M-47 "Bending"
          2 × launcher SAM "Shtil-1" [1] (optional)
          Anti-submarine weapons 2 grenade launcher DP-65
          91Р1 and 91РТ2 rocket torpedoes
          Aviation group helicopter weighing up to 12 tons (Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31)
          or several UAVs [2]

          Can you find Caliber and Onyx there?

          Yes, I found it on Wikipedia, but before that I read that there would be no strike weapons on this ship, and you are uncle HAM.
          1. just exp
            just exp April 11 2016 20: 07
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            Well, I didn’t hide it, but you have a bad habit of writing anyway without having to double-check the data.
            mass article, and there about weapons. Gauges will stand there. the only thing that is in question is the presence of Calm by default (if desired, it can be added to any of 22160, because the ship is modular). and it was written about this more than once or twice. from the first request to the search engine. article for almost half a year
            Six patrol ships of project 22160, which should be replenished by the Russian Navy by 2020, will be equipped with Caliber missile systems, TASS reports citing the first deputy general director of the Gorky Shipyard named after Gorky Alexander Karpov


            According to Karpov, such a decision was made, in particular, after the successful defeat by missiles of this complex of Islamic State facilities in Syria.

            “Successful salvos at the Islamic State’s facilities showed the firepower of these missiles, while they take up little space. The complexes will be extended to other ships, in particular, we are talking about project 22160, ”A. Karpov said.
            According to the agency’s interlocutor, the first patrol ship of project 22160, complete with a missile system, will be handed over to the customer in 2017, five more ships will be delivered by 2019, and by 2020 the plant will hand over all six ships.
            Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/27692
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov April 11 2016 20: 19
              0
              Quote: just explo
              Well, I didn’t hide it, but you have a bad habit of writing anyway without having to double-check the data.
              mass article, and there about weapons. Gauges will stand there. the only thing that is in question is the presence of Calm by default (if desired, it can be added to any of 22160, because the ship is modular). and it was written about this more than once or twice. from the first request to the search engine. article for almost half a year

              I won’t argue with you. Maybe I was mistaken in confusing 22160 with the patrol ships being built for the FSB.
              1. just exp
                just exp April 11 2016 21: 12
                0
                for the FSB, yes. there from emnip weapons only a couple of small-caliber guns and machine guns.
                The FSB will not be at war with the enemy fleet.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 11 2016 23: 29
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                  Quote: just EXPL
                  for the FSB, yes. there from emnip weapons only a couple of small-caliber guns and machine guns.
                  The FSB will not be at war with the enemy fleet.


                  Not certainly in that way. )))
                  There is a lot that the place is reserved.
                  Just in case...
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 42
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              Quote: just EXPL
              Well, I didn’t hide it, but you have a bad habit of writing anyway without having to double-check the data.
              mass article, and there about weapons. Gauges will stand there. the only thing that is in question is the presence of Calm by default (if desired, it can be added to any of 22160, because the ship is modular). and it was written about this more than once or twice. from the first request to the search engine. article for almost half a year
              Six patrol ships of project 22160, which should be replenished by the Russian Navy by 2020, will be equipped with Caliber missile systems, TASS reports citing the first deputy general director of the Gorky Shipyard named after Gorky Alexander Karpov


              According to Karpov, such a decision was made, in particular, after the successful defeat by missiles of this complex of Islamic State facilities in Syria.

              “Successful salvos at the Islamic State’s facilities showed the firepower of these missiles, while they take up little space. The complexes will be extended to other ships, in particular, we are talking about project 22160, ”A. Karpov said.
              According to the agency’s interlocutor, the first patrol ship of project 22160, complete with a missile system, will be handed over to the customer in 2017, five more ships will be delivered by 2019, and by 2020 the plant will hand over all six ships.
              Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/27692


              There is a joke: on the shed, God knows what is written, and there the firewood lies. hi
              1. just exp
                just exp April 11 2016 22: 54
                0
                when it is written on all sheds, it is not a fact that there is firewood.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach April 11 2016 20: 43
            +1
            As I understand it, there is either Calm or Universal Launcher.
            1. just exp
              just exp April 11 2016 21: 04
              -1
              UKKS required, Calm optional.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach April 11 2016 22: 32
                +1
                UKKS required, Calm optional


                But where? I saw photos with a lifting installation at the stern. Like UKSK, but then where is Calm? The nose module, as I understand it, is busy.


                If you really shove everything that the UKKSK and Calm and the helicopter and the GAS promised, plus the promised seaworthiness and sailing distance, then I agree the boat will turn out much better than 20380.

                PS .. Here below in the posts I look at the diagram - and I see: either Calm - or a residential module, or calibers - or GAS. That's why they say - modular
                1. just exp
                  just exp April 11 2016 22: 59
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                  and where you can see below in the comments where it is indicated that either Calm or residential module, and either Caliber or GAS. since Gus there is a surname. and the gauges are not at the stern (if according to the scheme, and not according to the photo).
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach April 11 2016 23: 15
                    +1
                    I will copy the picture from the post below. The inscription on the SAM shows the front slot .. which, as has already been written several times, is occupied by some fixed premises. - Improving habitability is also a matter.

                    Judging by the photographs in the article, gauges are even in elevating launchers in the stern.

                    And PU Shitilya then Where to put? into these side compartments, which in the photo are "reserved for the caliber"? And surely there is at least something to fit there?

                    Gas under the keel - I agree.


                    I’m just comparing it with the same 20380. 22160 has less displacement and everything else is larger. Both autonomy, and anti-ship complex, and SAMs have not been forgotten. And the helicopter climbed. There is only no package. How is this possible?

                    Okay, let's say a higher degree of automation and less crew. This probably gives + to autonomy. The rest was pushed into a smaller and more elegant case?
                    1. just exp
                      just exp April 11 2016 23: 20
                      0
                      The air defense system here is clearly less than that of the 20380, the 20380 radar has a lot and at 385 it seems like the optronic mast should have been.
                      and a 100mm gun.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach April 12 2016 08: 54
                        +1
                        SAM here is clearly less than 20380


                        And less than 20380 is practically nothing. on the 20380 universal Redutovskaya installation, only he cannot use the entire range of missiles for this installation because of the very radar. It turns out in the best case, the characteristics at the level of Calm, in the worst - only self-defense of the near zone.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 12 2016 12: 28
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                        Quote: alexmach
                        SAM here is clearly less than 20380


                        And less than 20380 is practically nothing. on the 20380 universal Redutovskaya installation, only he cannot use the entire range of missiles for this installation because of the very radar. It turns out in the best case, the characteristics at the level of Calm, in the worst - only self-defense of the near zone.


                        And Calm-1 better than Reduta will be in almost everything. From the speed of a rocket 1,5 times greater to the speed of the target hit - 3 times greater. And at a price several times cheaper.
                        This is, by the way.
                        All Redut's nomenclature is what?
                        9M96 are not induced. Somehow adapted Puma and all.
                        No one has seen the 9M100 yet. The idea of ​​capturing a target at the time of launch was never realized.
                        IMHO the concept of Redut from the 90s is hopelessly outdated. Goals have become faster and others. And the price is biting.
                        The groundmen claim that the 9M96D fires no further than 45 km. And the fact that it can fly> 120 km cannot be applied to the case if it does not hit the target.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 44
              0
              Quote: just EXPL
              UKKS required, Calm optional.


              No UKKS and cannot be.
              Do not argue - just believe. hi
              1. just exp
                just exp April 11 2016 22: 56
                0
                Well, if not UKKS, then UVP, will that be?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 11 2016 23: 06
                  0
                  Quote: just EXPL
                  Well, if not UKKS, then UVP, will that be?


                  Decrypt, please, that there is UVP.
                  To understand the same.
                  1. just exp
                    just exp April 11 2016 23: 13
                    0
                    UVP installation of vertical launch.
                    To be honest, I believed that UKKS is the UVP for missiles that can be used from one type of launcher. In the photo I often saw that the UKKS had a large launcher for 4 rockets. Perhaps you meant it.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 11 2016 23: 27
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                      Quote: just EXPL
                      UVP installation of vertical launch.
                      To be honest, I believed that UKKS is the UVP for missiles that can be used from one type of launcher. In the photo I often saw that the UKKS had a large launcher for 4 rockets. Perhaps you meant it.


                      3C14 - this is UKKS.
                      On the Caspian boats they occupy the entire height. I won’t tell you for sure, but the length of the Caliber that flew to Syria ~ 8m.
                      Plus a place below, etc.
                      There is a Club solution in containers.
                      At 20 feet - inclined PU of Uranus.
                      At 40 feet - Caliber runs vertically. Which ones is the question because there are a lot of them.
                      With a submarine, for example, they "only" fly 1500 km. Apparently because for a TA the length should be no more than 6 m. Something like that.
                    2. just exp
                      just exp April 12 2016 06: 43
                      0
                      so the fact is that they write that here they will stand 3С14
                    3. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 12 2016 09: 20
                      0
                      Quote: just EXPL
                      so the fact is that they write that here they will stand 3С14


                      Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning ...)))
                      In response to my OPUS colleague, I attached a picture.
                      A little lower. Where there is a helicopter landing pad, under it - 2 40 foot containers. hi
                    4. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 12 2016 09: 44
                      0

                      To remove all questions completely.
                      That's how Caliber stands and flies there.
                      UKKS, as I said, is not and cannot be.
                    5. alexmach
                      alexmach April 12 2016 11: 42
                      +1
                      Gee. and this is not a lifting UKSK by chance? Have you heard about the prototype of the inclined UKSK on the Gadfly?
                    6. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 12 2016 12: 33
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Gee. and this is not a lifting UKSK by chance? Have you heard about the prototype of the inclined UKSK on the Gadfly?


                      Do not confuse warm and soft)))
                      Only Onyx starts sloping.
                      And not related to UKSK Uranus.
                      Inclined PU Caliber is not. Until.
                      I am attaching a UKKS photo for you.
              2. alexmach
                alexmach April 12 2016 09: 00
                +2
                Look carefully at the picture from the layouts in the article. You see there such a thing sticks out aft of the hatch. What is your opinion? Indeed, an eight-meter rocket has nowhere to push into this boat in height. They say from hoisting launchers on it.
          3. just exp
            just exp April 11 2016 23: 15
            -1
            although it seems like there and there 3C14.
  • ssergn
    ssergn April 11 2016 20: 53
    +1
    It is better to use this:

    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-789.html


    Armament (default - source):

    22160 Ave., optional
    22160 Ave. for the Russian Navy
    Strike missile system 1 integrated missile system "Kalibr-NKE" with a vertical launch launcher UKSK (universal shipborne firing complex) of the "Kalibr-NK" complex on 8 missile systems "Caliber" or "Yakhont" - according to the model from the exhibition "Interpolitech-2015" 2 х 4 container lifting launchers of the "Kalibr-NK" complex with missiles in the TPK. The use of the Kalibr-NK complex is confirmed by Alexander Karpov, First Deputy General Director of Zelenodolsk Shipyard (source)
    SAM self-defense - 1 SAM "Shtil-1" with two modular PU 3S90E.1
    - 1 turret anti-aircraft missile launcher "Gibka", ammunition - 8 MANPADS 9K38 "Igla" 1 turret anti-aircraft missile launcher "Gibka", ammunition - 8 MANPADS 9K38 "Igla"
    Universal artillery 1 x 1 x 57 mm mount A-220M 1 x 76.2 mm mount AK-176MA (source)
    Anti-aircraft artillery -
    -
    Torpedo -
    -
    Other - 2 x 14,5-mm marine machine gun machine gun mounts MPTP machine guns with KPV machine guns
    - 2 anti-sabotage grenade launcher complex DP-65
    - 1 x 12.7-mm mobile heavy machine gun
    - 2 anti-sabotage grenade launcher complex DP-65
    - manual grenade launcher DP-64
    PU interference 1 complex PC-10
    1 complex PC-10
    Aviation Ka-27PS
    Ka-27PS

    Equipment:

    pr.22160
    BIUS
    Radar for general detection of air and surface targets and target designation
    1 x Positive and ME1 radar for detecting air and surface targets
    Radar target designation RCC
    Universal target designation system
    Radar target designation
    Optical system
    Navigation radar 1 x navigation radar "Pal-N"
    Navigation complex
    State recognition equipment
    EW / REP complex
    1 x shipborne electronic jamming complex TK-25E
    HOOK / GAS
    1 x HOOK MGK-335EM-03
    1 x GAS "Vignette-EM"
    1 x GAS Detection of Underwater Swimmers "Pallas"
    Communication complex
    Miscellaneous Telescopic hangar and runway with means for providing take-off, landing and maintenance of a helicopter
  • opus
    opus April 11 2016 21: 04
    0
    Quote: just explo
    Tactical strike weapons UVP RK "Caliber-NK"

    Quote: just explo
    Can you find Caliber and Onyx there?

    Well, if there is UKSK 3S14 ...
    And it costs TAM (pr.22160 for export - optionally 1 hUKSK 3S14, pr.22160 for the Russian Navy nominally 2hUKSK 3S14), THEN:

    At the moment, UKSK 3S14 unified to launch the following missiles:

    anti-ship missiles Caliber - 3M54 and 3M54 () 1 (3M54E and 3M54E1)
    long-range cruise missiles Caliber - 3M14 (3M14E)
    anti-submarine missiles Caliber - 91RT2 (91RTE2)

    anti-ship missiles Onyx (Yakhont) - 3M55
    anti-ship missiles BrahMos
    anti-ship missiles Zircon


    Not so of course:

    But this is how they "fit in"


    there will only be container 3S14UK2 or 3S14UK1

    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 32
      0
      The figure is left. People just fantasized.
      It has nothing to do with real equipment.
      1. opus
        opus April 11 2016 22: 39
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        Quote: Alex777
        The figure is left. People just fantasized.
        It has nothing to do with real equipment.

        show "right", I'll be happy to see what has "to do with reality"
        -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 47
          -1
          Quote: opus
          Quote: Alex777
          The figure is left. People just fantasized.
          It has nothing to do with real equipment.

          show "right", I'll be happy to see what has "to do with reality"
          -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------






          I just know where you found it, this picture.
          And who painted his comments.
          On the embedded board 76 mm on the nose.
          And what will actually be seen when the first is launched.
          IMHO, where "the place is reserved for Caliber" the boats will stand hi
          1. opus
            opus April 11 2016 23: 46
            -1
            Quote: Alex777
            I just know where you found it, this picture.

            and I know. So what?
            And painted "for a reason."
            The bulletin of the verified PCB is attached.
            Quote: Alex777
            And what will actually be seen when the first is launched.

            "Vasily Bykov" has been laid down and will be equipped with Caliber-NK. So they said.


            Quote: Alex777
            IMHO, where "the place is reserved for Caliber" the boats will stand

            Or "machine guns"

            IMHO will not.
            It's stupid to make a ship with low visibility and place "boats" there.


            Many "boats"?



            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 12 2016 09: 13
              -1
              Quote: opus
              Quote: Alex777
              I just know where you found it, this picture.

              and I know. So what?
              And painted "for a reason."
              The bulletin of the verified PCB is attached.
              Quote: Alex777
              And what will actually be seen when the first is launched.

              "Vasily Bykov" has been laid down and will be equipped with Caliber-NK. So they said.


              Quote: Alex777
              IMHO, where "the place is reserved for Caliber" the boats will stand

              Or "machine guns"

              IMHO will not.
              It's stupid to make a ship with low visibility and place "boats" there.


              Many "boats"?



              Do you want to say that 80 people will be put on the boat and will not give a single boat? wink
              In the destroyer in your picture, there is simply where to put them unnoticed. 14000t allow. And we have 10 times less displacement. In the picture with Gorshkov there are boats. If you look at it from above, you can even see it. There, near the pipe ... hi
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 12 2016 09: 17
              0

              Somehow like that, there will be a respected OPUS! bully
              The boats are yellow. Under the helicopter, hatches and 2 containers with gauges. On the nose 76 mm. Calm-1 alas no.
              1. opus
                opus April 12 2016 11: 37
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                Quote: Alex777
                The boats are yellow.
                Quote: Alex777
                The boats are white.

                In the photo that I quoted above boats "KRASNENKIE" .You have completely copied sing "opus".

                Did not make out?
                Moreover, the red ones (and in another photo machine guns) from the same photocore, in the same year
                Quote: Alex777
                that 80 people will be put on the boat and will not be given a single boat?

                And they will plant and give, just not "yellow boats" ... there are many options for solving the problem (from inflatable to)
                Quote: Alex777
                Under the helicopter, hatches and 2 containers with gauges.

                Quote: Alex777
                That is not too lazy, especially for you the right modelka where everything is visible!

                and you besides "do not be lazy" look for a photo .. have you tried to turn on the brain?
                Just a little bit?
                А
                Quote: opus
                container 3S14UK2 or 3S14UK1
                THERE (FOR FEED) CARRY?



                Will not "stick out" from the bottom?
                Or on top? Doesn't it hurt a helicopter? wink
                9,6 meters nevertheless, + constriction in the keel and aft zone + GDU shafts ...

                This photo doesn’t bother (where does the launch come from, where is the ZS14 located)?

                And "Dagestan" 1500-1930tn m / y others
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach April 12 2016 11: 44
                  +2
                  Will not "stick out" from the bottom?

                  Will, of course. but not from below but from above!
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 12 2016 13: 16
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                  Quote: alexmach
                  Will not "stick out" from the bottom?

                  Will, of course. but not from below but from above!


                  Colleague OPUS spent a lot of energy.
                  We show him how it will stick out! hi

                  PS For OPUS And the last one. Now Zircon does not fly from UKKS.
                  Not going to argue. Just study the materials on the modernization of Nakhimov. There, a sea of ​​money and time is allocated for the development of UKKS for Zircon.
                3. opus
                  opus April 12 2016 13: 28
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  An OPUS colleague has spent a lot of effort.

                  Not much, do not worry.
                  in any case less than
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The boats are yellow

                  Quote: Alex777
                  The boats are white.

                  At times, moreover.
                  I know that the "container" is shown (Euronaval-2014).
                  Not worth it working so hard.
                  Only now, for our Navy, the UKSK 3S14 is provided (Onyx (Yakhont) anti-ship missiles - 3M55), and it will not fit into the container from a mobile soil Pu.
                  and on "Vasily Bykov" I doubt that we will see a container launcher

                  and UKKS 3S14 will fit in where you have colorful boats

                  Quote: Alex777
                  Poor thing. All beguiled ..

                  appreciate the "care", but don't overdo it.
                  Better to return to the "yellow" and "little white" boats
                4. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 12 2016 14: 25
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                  Quote: opus
                  UVP RK "Caliber-NK"


                  No matter how hard you try.
                  9,6m - You yourself wrote. wink
                  And he’s not there.
                  I appreciate your pioneer enthusiasm and inability to recognize the obvious.
                  I have the honor! hi
                5. opus
                  opus April 12 2016 16: 07
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  No matter how hard you try.

                  Where are your "yellow" and white "boats"?
                  THERE will fit.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  I appreciate your pioneer enthusiasm and inability to recognize the obvious.
                  I have the honor!

                  1.Genosse, you will now pay attention that for some reason you, then poison (and some such "indulgence") proceed.
                  What is it for? Complex?
                  I am no longer at that age, what would be the "pioneer enthusiasm" in the ear drop in farted such.
                  But still, do not bend. And not for the first time already.
                  2. About "I have the honor." Well, you have (in your opinion, moreover). why shout about it to the right, to the left?

                  Musk in his pocket doesn't scream about it on the streets. The smell of musk speaks for him. / Saadi

                  Quote: Alex777
                  And he’s not there.

                  I hope you do not work in KB. And your opinion will remain only yours and will not affect our defense capability in any way.
                  repeat
                  Quote: opus
                  Better to return to the "yellow" and "little white" boats

                  will there be comments?
                6. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 12 2016 23: 36
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                  I have a height of 190 weight 90 and 20 years in hand-to-hand combat wink
                  This is for your topic to drop into the ear.
                  So leave pioneer enthusiasm at home.
                  I consider further conversation pointless.
                7. opus
                  opus April 13 2016 12: 19
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  I have a height of 190 weight 90 and 20 years in hand-to-hand combat

                  The coolest egg, from the time of Adam and Eve has not been cooked, is boiled.
                  Not "intimidated", I'm a couple of cm lower and of course easier.
                  But having musk in his pocket does not shout about it.
                  PM about the "ear" is relevant.
                  it is necessary to behave decently, then no one will write about the ears.
                  GOT A "hand-to-hand fighter with 20 years of experience"?
                  Quote: Alex777
                  So leave pioneer enthusiasm at home.

                  As for pioneers and enthusiasm, I recommend re-reading
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Poor thing. All beguiled ..

                  Quote: Alex777
                  I appreciate your pioneer enthusiasm and inability to recognize the obvious.

                  Quote: Alex777
                  An OPUS colleague has spent a lot of effort.
                  We show him how it will stick out

                  Quote: Alex777
                  I consider further conversation pointless.

    2. Alex777
      Alex777 April 12 2016 12: 48
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      Poor thing. All beguiled ... wink
      I see no reason to repeat what I wrote to various authors on this thread. Look, read. Everything will be clear. hi

      In short:
      1) Caliber aft in containers (Club).
      2) UKKS is not and cannot be. Size does not allow.
      3) According to unverified data, in the Russian versions there are 76 mm on the nose. and Calm-1 is not.
      4) For the 57 mm guns the shells have not yet come up with new ones, so God be with her. It is not in the arsenal of the Navy.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach April 12 2016 13: 13
      +2
      1) Caliber aft in containers (Club).


      ok, now I understand. That is, Onyx will not fit there, unlike UKKS, only calligra
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 April 12 2016 13: 19
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      Quote: alexmach
      1) Caliber aft in containers (Club).


      ok, now I understand. That is, Onyx will not fit there, unlike UKKS, only calligra


      100% true like that! hi
  • Alex777
    Alex777 April 12 2016 23: 31
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    This is not Dagestan, but the City of Sviyazhsk. wink
    So it is written on it. A completely different project.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 April 12 2016 09: 36
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    That is not too lazy, especially for you the right modelka where everything is visible! The boats are white. hi
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  • Alex777
    Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 28
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    Quote: Pirogov
    Where did you get information about onyx and calibers on these ships?


    Many open sources talk about Caliber.
    In the photo in the stern, he sticks out vertically from the container.
    About Onyx never met, apparently out of habit they mention him, although only in UKKS they are neighbors, but she is not on the boat.
    What is still not clear is the caliber of the gun.
    It was said that on our corvettes will be 76 mm, and there will be no air defense. It was like that on a board.
  • avt
    avt April 11 2016 19: 26
    +1
    Quote: just explo
    By the way, a balanced ship turns out both air defense and anti-aircraft defense and shock functions are normal, from Onyx to Caliber. and there is a spinner.

    laughing What a fright ?? They balanced it in 20380 by cramming the unplanned and ..... it suddenly turned out that they forgot to cram autonomy for the ocean zone. As a result, this divine workhorse errand project was born.
    1. just exp
      just exp April 11 2016 19: 43
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      and you know that 20380 is actually a corvette. not a destroyer?
      or do you think that the less weapons on the ship the better?
      By the way, and maybe from Almaty what is necessary to remove? but it turns out a very good tank, a mess.
      1. avt
        avt April 11 2016 19: 56
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        Quote: just explo
        and you know that 20380 is actually a corvette. not a destroyer?

        Was it like a Soviet joke? Well, Vovochka caught on a walk in the kindergarten hedgehog, and the Teacher -, Who are these children? Well, we've heard about him! "Well, Little Johnny -" So that's what you are - grandfather Lenin! "I have not yet fallen into insanity and I can distinguish Lenin's grandfather from a hedgehog.
        Quote: just explo
        or do you think that the less weapons on the ship the better?

        Only the Japanese were cooler than us, well, in a competition to save on displacement before the war, well, when their destroyer couldn’t stand such an ideology, they shove the inviolable, and with Japanese teeth together, they fired the main ship and rikhtanuli project.
        1. just exp
          just exp April 11 2016 20: 14
          +1
          20380 more than once or twice upgraded, this is not a ship in the ocean zone. he should be protected by the coast and I’m sure that he won’t drown in the Baltic. and given the history of wars in the Baltic, everything that is in it will come in handy there.
          and for the ocean there are 22350.
          You do not require tank tasks from the BMP.
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist April 11 2016 20: 22
        +2
        Quote: just explo
        Do you think that the fewer weapons on a ship the better?


        There should be as many weapons on the ship as it can carry to ensure its tasks (subject to normal autonomy and habitability). 20380 Corvette - a vivid example of overweight for the sake of weapons. As a result, new ships go to the 2 category reserve (!). Well nah ... is it to build?
        By the way, explain why the patrolman "Caliber"? Or, except for a patrol ship, we have nothing to threaten the foreign shore with? It would be better to put Calm, if only in the far zone it was than from some Super Tucano to shoot.
        1. just exp
          just exp April 11 2016 21: 10
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          excuse me . but I have a question - did you even study a little match? (to be honest, I myself am not an expert, but you generally have obscurity here)
          But then, somehow, in addition to calibers, the UKKS also includes PLUR and RCC, are they also not needed?
          why the fleet at all? drive poachers?
          What does overweight mean? it is a corvette for the Baltic, the puddle in which every meter is shot. these ships in case of war, if they go out it is not far away. but to be at the same time also an air defense system and a drummer is very useful to him. read how the Kirov cruiser was used in the Baltic and not only it. and also another bunch of ships.
          but for the ocean there are other ships, I have already given an example.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist April 11 2016 22: 28
            +1
            Quote: just explo
            But then, somehow, in addition to calibers, the UKKS also includes PLUR and RCC, are they also not needed?


            They’ll fit in, but the patrol ship’s functionality does not include carrying the Varangian cruiser onto the enemy squadron as a cruiser. It is more important for him to shoot off the plane and dump the squadron under the air defense connoisseur, rather than ask for target designation in the middle of the ocean. About PLUR in general ... not worth it so frivolously. If it’s near a squadron, then it’s possible, but to drive a submarine on a patrol request . How will he determine affiliation and formulate target designation? Vignette?

            Quote: just explo
            it is a corvette for the Baltic, the puddle in which every meter is shot. in the event of war, these ships, if they go out, are not far away. but to be at the same time also an air defense system and a drummer is very useful to him.


            In the event of a war along the coast, the "Bastion" will watch with a pair of Pantsir, and it will cost an order of magnitude cheaper and more secretive.
            And as for the air defense system and the striker - well, how could I explain to you ... Furke cannot properly provide the missile defense system for Redut, and in the Baltic conditions it will fly not a lone helicopter, but a normal link or more with anti-ship missiles. And that’s all ... And under these conditions, you can drive out at sea even a barge with C-300, even a death star - the difference will only be in the price of what we are about ... in battle. Hence the thought of the corvette - if it was easier and with balanced weapons, it would not have been priced with the escort of a ship group or patrolling. And in the modern form, many hoteliers of the chiefs did not fit normally into one small building.
            1. just exp
              just exp April 11 2016 23: 08
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              It is more important for him to shoot off the plane and topple the squadron under the air defense connoisseur

              umm, are you talking about ships or planes? otherwise I don’t understand how a ship can escape from an airplane.
              About PLUR in general ... not worth it so frivolously.

              chatted, take off, and Gus also take off.
              In the event of a war along the coast, the "Bastion" will watch with a pair of Pantsir, and it will cost an order of magnitude cheaper and more secretive.

              but 22160 will be able to sail away and shoot from there. from where the Bastion and Beech will not be able.
              .. Furke can’t properly provide a central office for Redut,

              1) this is not a reason not to put air defense on other ships.
              2) Furke emnip change.
              3) Furke stood at 20380.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 11 2016 23: 19
                +1
                Quote: just EXPL
                It is more important for him to shoot off the plane and topple the squadron under the air defense connoisseur

                umm, are you talking about ships or planes? otherwise I don’t understand how a ship can escape from an airplane.
                About PLUR in general ... not worth it so frivolously.

                chatted, take off, and Gus also take off.
                In the event of a war along the coast, the "Bastion" will watch with a pair of Pantsir, and it will cost an order of magnitude cheaper and more secretive.

                but 22160 will be able to sail away and shoot from there. from where the Bastion and Beech will not be able.
                .. Furke can’t properly provide a central office for Redut,

                1) this is not a reason not to put air defense on other ships.
                2) Furke emnip change.
                3) Furke stood at 20380.


                Dear, colleague just about the air defense of the corvette 20380 and explained to you. And he's 100% right. Furke does not direct Redoubt. Which means - "naked" corvette. The problem is systemic. It has not been and will not be corrected. Alas.
                hi
                1. just exp
                  just exp April 11 2016 23: 23
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                  so the emphasis is on 20385, and there is already an optronic mast.
                  I will answer tomorrow . we have almost half past one. and get up at 5.
        2. opus
          opus April 11 2016 22: 33
          +2
          Quote: Botanologist
          It would be better if they set Calm, if only in the far zone it was better than to shoot from some Super Tukano.

          The complex is installed on ships with a displacement from 1500 tons. Radars weigh,

          and the energy there is different




          Quote: Botanologist
          By the way, explain why the patrolman "Caliber"?

          they will be there, maybe it's a PATROL SHIP High Seas PROJECT 22160

          SAM Calm, the same (as an option, apparently instead of Caliber)


        3. Winnie76
          Winnie76 April 11 2016 22: 57
          -1
          If it is possible to gracefully bypass the INF Treaty, this should be used to the fullest. It is better instead of Calm, if possible, to still play UKKS. Calmness against a hypothetical spherical Supertukano with a machine gun is clearly redundant. If instead of Tukano there will be a carrier of RCC, it is insufficient. The RCC range has long exceeded 50 km (Calm range) so it’s more appropriate to have a Chestnut, Bending, Duet, etc.
          1. opus
            opus April 12 2016 00: 12
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            Quote: Winnie76
            If it is possible to gracefully bypass the INF Treaty, this should be used to the fullest.

            The INF Treaty does not regulate the KR (and others) on surface / underwater media.
            All for land:In accordance with the agreement, the parties had to destroy all ground-based launchers and missiles with a range of 500 to 5500 kilometers, including missiles both on European and Asian territories of the USSR.
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  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 11 2016 18: 56
    +3
    What can I say, give at least something, but 6 pieces are still not enough.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 11 2016 22: 47
      +1
      As I understand it, only the first contract, if they are good, you can load other shipyards with them
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov April 11 2016 18: 57
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    It certainly looks gorgeous, the only question is why only a patrol ship?
    1. just exp
      just exp April 11 2016 18: 59
      +1
      it was designed as a patrolman. came out modular drummer.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov April 11 2016 19: 05
        +2
        But on the sites I've looked at him there are no rockets, so what kind of drummer is he. ??
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 38
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          Quote: Pirogov
          But on the sites I've looked at him there are no rockets, so what kind of drummer is he. ??


          At the stern, hatches (2 pcs.) Open and the caliber rises from 2x4 containers.
          After the Caspian success, the project was finalized:
          - the size of the hatches increased (under the containers Caliber),
          - the hatches were strengthened and a helipad was made on them.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 11 2016 19: 03
    -1
    So he is with "Caliber"! And even seaworthy and distant. The right boat. Only he also has turbines in the power plant. Will "Saturn" master?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 11 2016 20: 51
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      No.

      The project has 2 large slots:
      1) Nose slot. In picking MOU - these are fixed premises.
      2) Aft slot - 2x40 foot container. There may be Gauges, but there may be say diving boxes, or medical boxes, or a temporary detention center in anti-piracy missions.

      That's about the face, as on the model army 2015.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 11 2016 22: 41
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        Quote: donavi49
        No.

        The project has 2 large slots:
        1) Nose slot. In picking MOU - these are fixed premises.
        2) Aft slot - 2x40 foot container. There may be Gauges, but there may be say diving boxes, or medical boxes, or a temporary detention center in anti-piracy missions.

        That's about the face, as on the model army 2015.


        Old modelka. From 57mm refused in favor of 76mm.
        And Calm-1 on the road lost ...
        But as for the stern - yes. Everything is right there.
  • Verdun
    Verdun April 11 2016 19: 12
    +2
    With its small size (displacement of this project is indicated within 1800 tons), it is not worth talking about serious seaworthiness and cruising range. For long voyages you need at least 3, and better - 5 thousand tons.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 11 2016 20: 52
      +2
      He has normal seaworthiness, it is determined by the hull, and not by displacement. Well, the Swedes drove their 800 ton corvettes under their own power to Aden.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 11 2016 20: 55
        +1
        Have you ever been in a storm on a small displacement ship? Say, somewhere in the Barents Sea?
        1. Throw
          Throw April 11 2016 22: 17
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          Seaworthiness is primarily determined by: contours of the hull, its strength, stability.

          The question is different: at what sea unrest what weapons can the ship use.
  • Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 11 2016 19: 53
    +2
    In my opinion, it looks like the extreme yacht of Abramovich! And the standard sizes practically coincide, but Arkadievich also has a mini submarine with glass (armored glass) sides! I wonder if they are the same for the price, or will these "patrols" be more expensive ?!
  • drlalex
    drlalex April 11 2016 20: 03
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    Handsome ship!
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 April 11 2016 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: Pirogov
    Where did you get information about onyx and calibers on these ships?

    There is a place for removable containers for launchers of various types. This is a modular type ship.
  • Victor Wolz
    Victor Wolz April 11 2016 21: 24
    +1
    When we start building destroyers, that’s the question!
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 11 2016 22: 00
      +3
      Logically, no sooner than we work out the technologies for their production and build at least some mosquito fleet for the near zone.
    2. just exp
      just exp April 11 2016 22: 22
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      Well, the Leader is only being designed so far, so I’m thinking not soon.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 April 11 2016 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: Victor Wolz
      When we start building destroyers, that’s the question!


      After the experiment with corvettes 20380 without air defense and the tests of the main 22350 with the expectation of a gun for several years (they will still be testing everything by the end of the year), they will not build weapons until they work out.
      Design - they will, of course.
      But not everything is bad. On the upgraded cruisers Zircon should already appear. The case is for the sea Shell and marine long-range air defense / missile defense. hi
  • kmv.km
    kmv.km April 11 2016 23: 08
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    Let them Build Warships! Let them Build as they can! Let the Military Shipyards work!

    Let there be MORE FRIGATES AND CORVETS !!! There will be no "Caliber", so there will be "Uranus"!

    Still better than another cruiser-sized YACHT FOR ABRAMOVIC!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 12 2016 02: 04
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    To us at the Pacific Fleet would be like that. Scare the Japanese in the Kuril Islands.
    In general, a normal ship turns out.
    Modularity assumes versatility.
    The corps did, and then there either Caliber,
    or more air defense modules.