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Ukraine is going to cooperate with Turkey for the joint production of military electronics

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The Ukrainian concern Ukroboronprom and the Turkish company Havelsan have recently signed a memorandum of cooperation in the production of military electronic systems. We are talking about the production of radio electronics for military aviation.


Press office Ukroboronprom cites the statement of the head of the concern Roman Romanov:
"Ukroboronprom" has considerable experience in the development of radar technology. We will join forces with a leading Turkish company and develop a powerful innovative product that will meet international weapon standards.


Ukraine is going to cooperate with Turkey for the joint production of military electronics


This is another statement by Ukrainian officials (this time from the defense industry), in which all actions are described exclusively in the future tense.

The leadership of the Ukrainian defense concern notes that cooperation with Turkey plays an important role for Ukraine, since Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic military bloc, and therefore co-production "will help to more effectively switch to NATO standards."

For reference: the Turkish company HAVELSAN was founded with the active participation of American capital in the 80s of the last century. Today he develops software for managing various types of equipment, including aviation. In addition, HAVELSAN specialists are engaged in the production of reconnaissance systems, aircraft simulators, and automated troop control systems.
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http://www.havelsan.com.tr
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  1. Michael67
    Michael67 April 11 2016 13: 39
    +3
    "signed a memorandum of cooperation" ... And that's all. On this, most likely, everything will fade. Territory 404 starts a war again, which will finally finish them. And what kind of cooperation memorandum is there? ukroboronprom hastily brews cracks in its bmd, and here is a memorandum. Laughter.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 11 2016 13: 41
      +21
      Quote: Michael67
      "signed a memorandum of cooperation" ... And that's all. On this, most likely, everything will fade.


      It will fade after the Turks pull out all the information they need from the Maidan ...
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR April 11 2016 14: 10
        +1
        "signed a memorandum of cooperation"

        Purely to spoil Russia.
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        2. cniza
          cniza April 11 2016 15: 42
          +4
          Quote: gray smeet
          Quote: Michael67
          "signed a memorandum of cooperation" ... And that's all. On this, most likely, everything will fade.


          It will fade after the Turks pull out all the information they need from the Maidan ...



          The Turks need Soviet developments and documentation, and not joint production with Ukraine, they will marry and abandon.
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  2. Abbra
    Abbra April 11 2016 13: 42
    +2
    We are talking about the production of radio electronics for military aircraft. Which, by and large, in Ukraine came into a state of stupor.
    1. Sibbars
      Sibbars April 11 2016 14: 32
      +1
      In the pitch, not only Ukraine, but also those to whom it sold and repaired its aircraft .. during the time of independence.
  3. Kibl
    Kibl April 11 2016 13: 44
    0
    But to the hell with the Turks, such a trailer with ballast in the face of Ukraine? What a big deal? What is the benefit of a bankrupt, enlighten, or I will die a fool gray! I always thought that you need to build a relationship with a trusted, reliable partner. Surely something has changed in this world.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris April 11 2016 14: 00
      0
      To hell? I’ll explain to you .. It’s just that one ass found another to tarnish under the neighbor’s door in a tandem. And so .. Even together, they can create serious things only on the Chinese element base and in the long term.
      Quote: KIBL
      But to the hell with the Turks, such a trailer with ballast in the face of Ukraine? What a big deal? What is the benefit of a bankrupt, enlighten, or I will die a fool gray! I always thought that you need to build a relationship with a trusted, reliable partner. Surely something has changed in this world.
  4. weksha50
    weksha50 April 11 2016 13: 46
    +2
    "Ukraine is going to cooperate with Turkey"...

    Here the whole point, it seems, is in this phrase ... Two anti-Russian objects (subjects) show Russia that together they are power ...

    The Turk - it’s not a pity ... they will lose time and money - the road is there for them ...
    1. asadov
      asadov April 11 2016 13: 51
      +2
      Yes, they will not lose anything from this, as they will do nothing and will not. These are empty words and hopes of dill and nothing more. As they say do not bite so bark.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 11 2016 13: 51
    +4
    Quote: KIBL
    But to the hell with the Turks, such a trailer with ballast in the face of Ukraine? What a big deal? What is the benefit of a bankrupt, enlighten, or I will die a fool gray! I always thought that you need to build a relationship with a trusted, reliable partner. Surely something has changed in this world.

    To the evil of Russia. Turks and Ukrainians are now "brothers" laughing Oh scream!
  6. Wolverine
    Wolverine April 11 2016 13: 53
    +1
    These are already miserable convulsions of the former beautiful, rich and developing Ukraine with the help of investments from Russia ... wassat
  7. Verdun
    Verdun April 11 2016 13: 54
    +3
    It was they who read Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol overnight. About how the blacksmith Vakula collaborated with the devil.
  8. sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 11 2016 13: 54
    +4
    Two boots of steam, the Turks may, as they can, but there is nothing to expect from Ukrainians. Stolen and sold.
    1. cap
      cap April 11 2016 17: 55
      0
      Quote: sgr291158
      Two boots of steam, the Turks may, as they can, but there is nothing to expect from Ukrainians. Stolen and sold.


      SHO YOU ARE NOT ZIL, HELP .... laughing
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 11 2016 18: 12
        -1
        Question. What is the difference between a Russian nationalist, Ukrainian or Turkish?
  9. private person
    private person April 11 2016 13: 54
    +4
    And who remembers the picture about how Ukrainians write a letter to the Turkish Sultan? Good luck *** and then Russia save, they say that history repeats itself. Doesn’t teach bitter experience anything.
  10. PKK
    PKK April 11 2016 13: 57
    +1
    Well, glory to you, eggs! Friends have made friends, they may become softer from true friendship. Now the joint capital will go one way, to Dill. Turks, do not be shy, immediately dump some lards and wait for the results.
  11. Editor
    Editor April 11 2016 14: 00
    0
    and to declare intentions or memoranda is normal for many rulers ... after all, no one requires statements about the implementation of early intentions ...
  12. umka571
    umka571 April 11 2016 14: 05
    +1
    Radar in fat?
  13. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN April 11 2016 14: 18
    +2
    Union of offended and losers.
  14. pts-m
    pts-m April 11 2016 14: 27
    +1
    All atas. Now electronic boats of Urinovo production will fill the waters of the Black Sea. Turkish fellahs in fez with the "fork" emblem will act as crews.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 11 2016 14: 33
    0
    No, there is probably a simpler explanation. Crimea is no longer available for recreation, Turkey will be developed. Under the guise of teamwork, travel to resorts at the expense of the host. And then the Ottomans will cut through the "zrada", and the freebie will end. For serious developments, developers are needed, and developers need equipped laboratories and not cheap components. Something I have not heard that in Dill, even in the best times, they spent on equipping defense research institutes.
  16. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 11 2016 14: 33
    +1
    Ukraine is going to cooperate with Turkey for the joint production of military electronics
    It will be the first microcircuit in the history of electronics that will be able to bargain and beg for money at the same time. yes... At what: during their soldering, they will try to bite the soldering iron and shout "Heroes can’t stop!" and "Allah Akbar".
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 16: 00
      -1
      You so confidently claim that the entire elemental base is built on perfect design solutions and there is nothing more to invent?
  17. APASUS
    APASUS April 11 2016 14: 44
    0
    Something tells me that everything will end with the banal purchase of systems from the Turks. For the production of military electronics, billions of dollars of investments are required and not the fact that they will pay off, that's why they produce really good unit electronics.
    By the way, the Turks are not on this list, they simply copy stolen or withdrawn from weapons in NATO countries, and then they simply drag in Ukraine
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 16: 05
      0
      In order to create something more perfect, you really need to have a scientific and production school. What Turkish colleagues do not have. But it would be naive to think that this school was destroyed in Ukraine. You are too self-confident and time will tell who is right and who turned out to be criminally naive.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 11 2016 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        it would be naive to think that this school was destroyed in Ukraine. You are too self-confident and time will tell who is right and who turned out to be criminally naive.

        A simple question: what plant on the ruin now produces chips? I'm not talking about processors.
        And in general Gridasov: what is the solution of ur Laplace in cylindrical coordinates? AND? wink Go study, .
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2016 18: 07
          -1
          And a ram can be taught something. Do you have your own opinion and not be this ram. There is a common coordinate system. It is the fundamental basis for determining the relative location of each point in space. Any others, including cylindrical coordinate systems, are something far-fetched and not related to basic knowledge. As a particular solution, this of course can take place. But only for an individual case. But the charges are distributed. Rather, how primitive it is necessary to think that a charge has a material basis for its kind and interaction. But this is not the main thing either. How can the problems of distribution of the same charges be solved at every point in space and on any object through integral equations, if statics is generally a fantastic concept? Therefore, you are not able to understand the patterns of distribution of potential levels between points on surfaces and in general space. "Truly, make the idiot pray - he will break his forehead."
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan April 11 2016 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: gridasov
            And a ram can be taught anything.

            As for the ram - I agree. winked
            Quote: gridasov
            There is a common coordinate system.
            what But ...
            Quote: gridasov
            Any other, including cylindrical coordinate systems is something far-fetched and not related to basic knowledge.

            If that is not related to the basic knowledge of grids, it is you yourself. yes No offense. request
            Quote: gridasov
            Statics is generally a fantastic concept.
            Gridasov. Pour over valerian and go out into the yard so that all the local cats rub about you yes . After that, you should respect static electricity. yes . I guarantee ...
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 11 2016 18: 32
              -1
              Why don’t you agree if you don’t have your own opinion?
            2. gridasov
              gridasov April 11 2016 23: 44
              -1
              Nevertheless, I am grateful to you and that possibility allows. even with difficulty, but talk.
              If you solve the problem of the distribution of charges on a surface through integral equations, then it is worth noting that I do not refute this way of solving the problem. However, note that the solutions to the integral equations themselves form a mathematical sequence, which, by the way, also needs to be built into a system. So maybe now you will at least think that it is better not to complicate the task right away than to understand its difficulties later. By the way, even after "scuffing" not every object can have a breakdown. And in the equations you are not able to determine these most important parameters - with what a contour is formed on which there will be a breakdown, and the level of the potential difference of this tension is also not determined.
              Oh, how I want to stop returning to this forum site. Just do not understand what makes me engage in this nonsense. Although in general the process is understandable and it is clear that for a long time it will not continue.
            3. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 12 2016 00: 03
              +1
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Gridasov ... ... so that all the local cats rub about you

              - And can I, too .. mmm .. rub myself? wassat
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan April 12 2016 05: 13
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - And can I, too .. mmm .. rub myself?

                belay belay belay
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 12 2016 09: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                  belay X 3

                  So we have a long-standing dispute with Gridasov. We started with fractals, about six months ago, about laughing
                  1. evil partisan
                    evil partisan April 12 2016 22: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    We started with fractals

                    This is he for you about the emission of flywheels belay didn't tell fool. There is finally a complete Popatets. sad
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null April 12 2016 22: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: wicked partisan
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      We started with fractals

                      This is he for you about the emission of flywheels belay didn't tell fool. There is finally a complete Popatets. sad

                      Emission of mosses .. humps .. yeah ..

                      No, about the flywheels were not. But it was fun - it was, at first I also tried to make sense of this nonsense, then I just started to joke laughing

                      In general, Gridasov is an extremely funny toy, let it be, IMHO yes

                      I associate with Polesov from Ilf and Petrov: "from the remains of a motorcycle .. assembled a stationary engine. The engine was like a real one, but .. did not work" laughing
                      1. evil partisan
                        evil partisan April 12 2016 22: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        In general, Gridasov is an extremely funny toy, let it be

                        Well, someone should act as a delusional generator request ...
  18. volodya
    volodya April 11 2016 14: 47
    +2
    Together they will invent!
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 11 2016 14: 52
    +2
    It’s interesting, what is left of production in this area in Ukraine now?
    After all, Ukraine has recently made electronics for our defense industry.
    So you need to take a closer look before you laugh.
  20. volodya
    volodya April 11 2016 14: 58
    +1
    I don’t know how in Turkey, but in Ukraine everything seems to have collapsed, except for sweets of course.
  21. Taygerus
    Taygerus April 11 2016 15: 00
    +1
    The outskirts no longer know who to lie under and who to sell themselves to, but not more expensive, but cheaper fool
  22. Holsten
    Holsten April 11 2016 15: 07
    0
    To promise is not to marry. Either the Turks are blind and deaf - they are not aware that the Ukrainians have already pierced wherever they can, or - more than that - they do not even know that they have made a deal of the century. And this already happened, I remember. I confess, I forgot the nuances.
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 11 2016 15: 30
    0
    Labuda is all that! Anyway
  24. Kaban4ik
    Kaban4ik April 11 2016 16: 29
    0
    How small the children are!
    Actually, everything started anew. I don’t know who is the culprit here: we are Ukrainians or Russians. They safely forgot about the "chain mail" and started anew.
    Due to the fact that the Turks will squeeze out information from us, and then wash their hands - who will give them? Moreover, we are talking about the development of something new.
    And about American capital: in the second half of the 20th century, almost everything on our ball, and especially in the military-industrial complex, was built either with US money or with USSR money. To bring such arguments, as for me, is unethical.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 16: 44
      -2
      Years of stagnation, to say the least of the devastation in the country, do not mean at all that scientists were not engaged in honing many fundamental issues. Sometimes it was the occupation of science that made it possible to live in a Deriban and a complete mess in the country. Therefore, at the fundamental levels of discoveries, there may be a problem that the bustle of a normal life does not make it possible to hide in peace and quiet for creativity. It seems a paradox, but this is a fact. But the slightest leak of information and the process cannot be stopped. Hunger is not an aunt, which is why many Ukrainians are hunting with their products in Turkey.
      And what could be new? For example, the same circuitry, when the level of quality factor of the circuit is achieved by the fact that elemental composite circuits are located in a radial contour, and not on flat boards. Or the same induction coils without winding turns. Or the same capacitor with several charged planes, to increase the charge density. Think it all?
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander April 11 2016 18: 03
        +1
        ... the circuits are arranged in a radial circuit, and not on flat boards ...
        ... induction coils without winding coils ...
        ... a capacitor with several charged planes ...

        Do not talk utter nonsense here. Such nonsense can be written by a person who has never heard of electronics and circuitry. One gets the impression that you, dear, have read a lot from the Ukrainian media "peremog" in the design field and then they decided to shock us ... You succeeded! Only the shock came from the level of your incompetence.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2016 18: 17
          -1
          A drop of falling water takes on the shape of a sphere during free fall. Any sharp corners in nature tend to round. How to connect two points on the surface of a sphere? Only a person sees a way to connect these points with a straight line. Moreover, everyone knows that the so-called charges are located only on the surface of this local space. Who, then, is talking nonsense?
  25. demiurg
    demiurg April 11 2016 16: 44
    +1
    Given the fact that the rabbit is retiring, most likely there is nothing to steal. So you can sign memoranda, preliminary agreements, a communique, and other crap indefinitely. As stated in the imperishable film, everyone died.
    Mashkomplekt-Zorya and Motor Sich were worth something, but they would be covered so that the RR and JE did not compete. All that at least how much it cost when it left for China. Late Ottomans came to their senses, they were late for distributing 10 years minimum.
    In Novosibirsk I could clearly see who was plundering the plant and who was trying to fight. NAPO survived, is being modernized, the SU-34 molds like cakes, "radioactive factories, 32 and 80 also live, but what can I say, where the director, although he grabbed the plant, did not distribute the territory for warehouses, and the plant survived, does not live prosperously, But across the street from it, almost the same, only for DC cars, there are only warehouses with beer on the territory.
    And in Square, the net sale of equipment for metal.
    I remember this in Novosibirsk, in '90. Sibtekstilmash, Sibselmash in Novosibirsk. These two factories employed about 20 percent of the population. And now only huge abandoned workshops ...

    And again, in comparison, on the territory of the SSM there was a factory in the factory, Low-voltage equipment (cartridges were made) and on it, suddenly, THE MOBILIZATION LINES HAVE BEEN EXISTED. The neighbors in the village (I live in the suburbs) now they make 12.7 bananas, they leave somewhere by wagons, the guys get well (I did practice there back in the year 90, I remember the machines on which they cut copper plates into sleeves).

    I suffered, just imagine the tragedy of skilled workers who receive a good salary, and suddenly found themselves on the street.
    I was lucky, at 93 I left to work with the police in the third year of the institute (there was no money at all), they paid more or less regularly. Then ELSIB, then, then ... I got a bunch of qualifications, from a sniper to an electrician.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 16: 52
      0
      It should be noted that the most important discoveries are made not by collectives, but by individuals. Amers even have statistics that the "garage laboratories" are the most progressing. No one presses, neither by lines, nor by orders. The only thing that sometimes the minimum funds are not enough.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander April 11 2016 18: 12
        +1
        What are you talking about? That everyone in Ukraine will now PROGRESS MOST when they move from normal laboratories to garages? Read less "amerovskoy statistics" and more include YOUR brain in the analysis mode (if there is anything left to include).
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2016 18: 29
          0
          Of course! All laboratories and production in your opinion and will go to garages. I'm talking about Ivan, and you're talking about boob. And someone will talk to me about the analysis. Something your analysis is wrong ..
  26. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist April 11 2016 16: 51
    0
    "Stable" country Ukraine ... nothing changes laughing

    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 17: 06
      0
      There really is no country. There is horror! But there are people who are "hungry" and who know. what is bad and that is why they want to live and create and strive for good.
  27. black
    black April 11 2016 17: 06
    0
    Club of the outcast. What a circle of BDSM, for the offended.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 17: 11
      0
      In the midst of the outcasts, it is only necessary to look for hardened, tested by difficulties and not broken people. Offended is the truth - not that contingent.
  28. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 11 2016 17: 33
    +1
    Quote: gridasov
    In order to create something more perfect, you really need to have a scientific and production school. What Turkish colleagues do not have. But it would be naive to think that this school was destroyed in Ukraine. You are too self-confident and time will tell who is right and who turned out to be criminally naive.

    And on what element base will these masterpieces be created. If in Chinese, then yes cool. And can Ukraine and Turkey produce modern electronic components, well, except for resistors and conductors? Radio magazine to help you
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2016 17: 49
      0
      Actually, I did not mean a mass product, but the development of new types of these and resistors and conders.
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol April 11 2016 18: 14
        0
        Sorry, but what new types can these elements have. There are mounted, there are surface (smd). And the rest is transistors and microcircuits. The question is whether Ukraine can produce these components, and not for consumer goods, but for the military-industrial complex. Russia produces Elbrus processors, if I am not mistaken already in the 4-core version. And note this is our development that can be used in the military-industrial complex, as you can be sure that there are no "bugs"
        1. AleksPol
          AleksPol April 11 2016 18: 37
          +1
          I apologize for making a mistake. There are already 8x processors with a clock frequency of 250 gigaflops (billions of operations per second) and peripherals. And this is a purely Russian development.
        2. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2016 19: 00
          -1
          You judge by criteria that are not fundamental in order to understand what the essence of the transistor is and how to improve its parameters. And again, so what does all of Ukraine have to do with it?
          1. AleksPol
            AleksPol April 11 2016 19: 33
            +1
            Well, the essence of the transistor is clear to a freshman student. And why improve its performance in macro. If you are able to increase the performance in nano, then you should work in a silicon valley. I didn’t talk about Ukraine
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 11 2016 20: 21
              0
              With that. that after my answer a cry will rise, but I will still say.
              The process of increasing the performance of computers is reduced to increasing the number of processors. At the same time, an increase in the speed of data processing computers has a whole range of associated negative factors. At least the fact that there is a huge heat release, as well as an increase in energy costs for the operation of supercomputers is required. That is, in other words, there is a limit to this path of development. So that's it. Contrary to these directions, we consider and offer technology that is based on mathematical principles. That is, the main work on pulse shaping and at the same time with which mathematical data processing is performed through actually one processor or transistor. That is, it is designed in such a way that it can form an impulse in a "radial" form and in accordance with the properties of the natural series of numbers. Moreover, this is not a method of assigning a number to a code, but in general a number, as such, does not have its own definition, except through the properties of a number in a natural series of numbers. If a pulse is applied to any of the inputs of such a transistor, then the cumulative geometric distribution of pulses for all other outputs is formed as the properties of the relationship of numbers in this nat. row. I must say right away that it is quite obvious that since known historical times, no one has ever used some property of numbers and some mathematical action, which we refer to as a function of the constant value of a number. On this function of the number, it is possible to build this transistor and processor, the possibilities of variations in the output pulses, which are so incredibly large that even if a million more supercomputers are created, they will not come close in their ability to the capabilities of a computer running on such technology. In addition, the mathematical model allows you to build in the system itself a system of landmarks, which are extremely important for the creation of artificial intelligence, since the system can work exactly as an analytical one and give information as a disposition with respect to other decision options energetically related to the solution that can be considered ... Well, now we are waiting for the stench from the "classics".
  29. wow
    wow April 11 2016 18: 32
    0
    Only the Turks have not yet "shod". Well, everything is still ahead ...
  30. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 12 2016 06: 23
    0
    Taras Bulba would have seen this, would have raised the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks to the Turks, whom they fought for centuries, but the Cossacks apparently ended, only Bandera remained.