Occupation fee. Evil Ivan №21 with Ivan Victory

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Hello to all ours and not to ours! I am Ivan Victory. And today I am angry again, today I count the money!

Ukraine requires 1 trillion hryvnia from Russia for the annexation of the Crimea. This news only the latest episode from an already fed-up series of news demanding compensation from Russia for certain historical events. Most often they demand grandmothers for the Soviet occupation. This is committed by all sorts of small, certainly proud, and now, it seems, as a long time ago independent and independent countries.

One, then another, then the third is dragging a dull song about the victims it suffered during the ruthless Soviet occupation, the insidious Russian invaders and the non-healing emotional wounds that can be healed only with big Russian money.
Oh, if then there was no curse of Russian occupation, all these countries would be rich, well-fed and successful. Yes, that there! They all, of course, would be superpowers who would admire, well, and that would envy the whole world.

But I am not a fan of fairy tales and alternative stories. So, the lamentations of the poor and the wretched will be ignored. But they whined me into one simple and wonderful thought. But really. Claims for compensation for the Soviet, Russian "occupation" are fair!

With the collapse of the USSR, all newly-minted, newly-formed countries, suddenly, for no reason at all, the entire Soviet infrastructure, entire cities with new neighborhoods and roads, schools and hospitals, theaters and museums, factories and plants, institutes and universities, fell. Ports and airports, nuclear, thermal and hydroelectric power stations, sanatoriums and boarding houses, agrocomplexes, cosmodromes, power lines and railways went to the load. They also received military equipment, military bases and military warehouses.
Not to mention the intellectual property. Soviet drawings, patents, inventions and technologies. Do you know how much it all costs? Well?
Yes, ohulirdy okhulirdov rubles, dollars, euros, yen, yuan and MNT!
After all, before entering the USSR, in most of these territories there were only villages, farms, auls and villages. With primitive rudiments of economic infrastructure. But when they left the Union, they got rid of such nishtyaks and all this for free. That's really lucky, so lucky!

But if we consider the entire process of the collapse of the Soviet Union from a legal point of view, then all these local presidents, kings, khans, bai and hetmans, just under the guise of sleep *** is someone else's Soviet people's property. Covering all this with slogans about national revival and taking advantage of the weakness and lack of will of the then leadership of the USSR.

Everything stolen was immediately divided between their relatives and the local larvae of oligarchs. Although the peoples living in the fragments of the Union and miserable crumbs from this thieves feast, but from this theft, did not cease to be theft.

Well, then ...
All the debts of the Soviet Union and even Tsarist Russia were hanged on the Russian Federation. And bros and sisters with looted good and impeccable credit history joyfully rushed to join democratic and universal values. Along the way, pouring mud, lies and hatred on Russians and Russia.

And now the most interesting
As a result, Russia paid off all the debts of the USSR and Tsarist Russia, including for all these freshly baked states. Paid in full. And no one helped her in this. And after paying all the debts, Russia officially became the sole successor of the USSR.

Follow the thought?
Now, from a legal point of view, everything that was created during Soviet times in the Soviet Republic, and now independent countries, belongs to Russia, as the successor and the only legitimate heir to the Soviet Union. Oh, those legal subtleties! =)

Is it possible to solve this question quietly?
Yes! To do this, all the independent and separatist must return to the form in which they belonged to the USSR. To abandon the territories that they have grown during their stay in the USSR, to demolish the city and destroy the entire infrastructure.

What, do not like the option?
Well, then Russia will have to pay compensation to Mother for the land received. For each meter of paved roads. For every square meter of real estate, and for every year of using all this for free. And this is not yet including royalties for the right to use Soviet, and henceforth, Russian intellectual property.

It is now howl that this was a joint and equal work of all the Soviet Republics.
Oh, my crafty opponents. From a legal point of view, this is no longer important. But we are for justice?

Well, let's count!
The Soviet Union was a single economic organism. But budget money was not entirely distributed in it, in all fairness. Assume that all the republics of the Union worked in the same way. And each contributed its share to the country's total GDP in proportion to its population. And already further the budget of the Soviet Union was distributed throughout the country.

And here it turns out, one interesting detail.
All the republics in the Union were subsidized, except for the RSFSR, that is, Russia (and later Turkmenistan) That is, they received more money from the country's budget than they contributed to it. You see, they lived in debt.
For example, here is a table of subsidies for the 1989 year.
Occupation fee. Evil Ivan №21 with Ivan Victory

As we see, from every inhabitant of Russia, including infants, they took 209 rubles per year. And this money was given as subsidies to other republics.

For example:
Every Lithuanian resident subsidized the Union for 997 rubles a year, Estonia for 812 rubles, Georgia for 354, Moldova for 612, Armenia for 415, Belarus for 201, Ukraine for 56 rubles

I do not judge and do not resent.
The task was quite understandable, it was necessary to tighten the standard of living throughout the whole country. But in fact, this very level was tightened at the expense of the inhabitants of Russia. It was they who paid for the well-fed life of all these health resorts, breadbaskets and shop windows of Socialism.
And to be honest, at the time of secession from the USSR, each national republic first had to repay debts.

For example, Lithuania had the right to take at exit only 5-10% of what it pulled off. The same with Estonia and Latvia. And with the Republics of the Caucasus, the percentage would be about the same. Is that Azerbaijan on this background looks modest. He pulled the entire 50% of Russia's property somewhere. Ukraine had a little more right to take with it, but even when it came out, it picked up somewhere 35-40% of others.
Here she is such a bitch, justice!

Why have the demands of the occupation fees increased lately? It's simple. In 90-s, all these republics, without paying a penny, were screwed with someone else's property. Over the years of independent existence, they have managed to prozhrat, destroy, sell off and plunder all that they have stolen. And now they want supplements, they want freebies and new nishtyakov. So they groan about occupation fees.

Yes, Russia is still too good, generous and generous.
But I have advice for them. Small, but shitty ... before once again starting to howl about compensation for the Soviet occupation, think carefully. Russian patience is not unlimited, and they can eventually make you pay for it. After all, you have been living in debt for a long time, at the expense of the once stolen assets from the Great People of the Great Country.

In everything that happened, I do not blame the peoples who now live on the fragments of the Soviet Country. All the fault lies entirely with the local kings, bays, khans and hetmans. Namely, for the sake of profit, these former ardent Komsomol and Communists demolished a common country. Betrayed and sold. They fooled their heads, people who believed them. Turn them into a herd. They sowed enmity and hatred between parts of a single people. Forced to abandon the common history and common great victories.

And it just hurts me, for those formerly recently Russian, peoples ... Is it possible that poverty, humiliation, degradation and the complete lack of prospects and future are worth the inflamed sense of self-worth and ethnonazi pride that you are combing through the media local propagandists from the authorities?

Everything! Believe in your people and your country! We begin to awaken. And you still have a chance to become part of the coming great events. But for this you need to realize yourself, Russian, regardless of their nationality.

See you soon!
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  1. bad
    +43
    April 12 2016 18: 40
    I’d like to show them! .. at the state level, count everything and present .. let them howl and scratch their turnips .. especially the balts .. bully
    1. +2
      April 12 2016 18: 49
      Yes, Russia is still too good, generous and generous.

      That's right ...! We have been and will be ... And in vain you are trying to pit us, with each other! Russian soul, we are doing everything right, but it’s difficult, robbing ... But then gentlemen ... (I'm not even sure what will happen to you ..))))
      1. -41
        April 13 2016 11: 39
        I do not agree. Russia took over all the external debts of the USSR as the sole assignee of the USSR. Therefore, Russia inherited all the property of the USSR located abroad. Abroad in relation to the USSR, and not to Russia. Residents of all republics participated in the construction of roads, factories and steamboats. And with a divorce, everyone got their share. But all foreign property (the value of which was many times higher than the value of USSR debts) completely went to Russia, which assumed an obligation for all USSR debts. So everything is fair.
        1. +8
          April 13 2016 12: 09
          WHAT IS JUST, REQUIRING MONEY FOR AN SO CALLED OCCUPATION? FOLLOW HAND! JOKE THIS KNOW, TIME OF THE USSR
          1. -31
            April 13 2016 19: 57
            You do not need to follow the hand, but the text, son. Everything is written there- And what is fair and why is fair. Evil Ivan turned their stupidity 180 degrees and decided that it would turn into wisdom from this. Everything that is created, what is built in the republics is built by hands, hump, and then by the inhabitants of these republics. And not at all the party apparatus of the CPSU. And these republics do not owe anything to anyone.
            1. +15
              April 14 2016 05: 52
              Quote: Mahmut
              Everything that is created, what is built in the republics - built by hand, hump and then the inhabitants of these republics

              If I hire Tajiks to build a cottage for me, then I build a cottage, not Tajiks. They are just hired personnel. Even if I build a summer house in Tajikistan
              1. +7
                April 14 2016 13: 09
                But he is Mahmut and Mahmut, so as not to understand elementary things. Besides somewhere found sons.
            2. +5
              April 14 2016 11: 04
              yes, and how are the humps of these republics? pulled out?
              I worked in a construction organization in Siberia that carried out orders throughout the union
              even in the most prosperous "European" Baltic states there was an acute shortage of specialists - they traveled from all over the RSFSR to "raise the virgin lands." So don't lie!
            3. +4
              April 14 2016 16: 55
              Why are they not building anything now, with their "hump and then"? Without the Russians in any way? Can I remind you how advanced, high-tech industries were transferred to the republics from the RSFSR? KraZ, Yuzhmash, damn it, you can't remember everything. Leave the fables about "sweat and blood" to those who believe in this nonsense, the censor will appreciate you.
            4. +4
              April 14 2016 23: 50
              [quote] "Everything that is created, that is built in the republics, is built by hands, hump and then by the inhabitants of these republics."
              You got nothing wrong, son? At whose expense there was a banquet. May I remind you of the All-Union, Komsomol construction projects and the percentage that took part in them, based on their belonging to a particular republic of the USSR. Or do you think that shepherds, winemakers, and others like them, overnight have become skilled welders, masons, electricians, etc. and with shock work they built nuclear power plants, state district power plants, major enterprises, ports, railway infrastructure, etc.
              Or maybe you should remind WHO, after graduating from MANDATORY distribution, went to the fraternal republics of the USSR to teach, treat, raise !!!!
              DO NOT LAUGH MY CURVED SHOES !!!!!!!
              [quote = Mahmut] And these republics do not owe anything to anyone. [/ quote]
              Nobody demands anything from them YET, but "these republics" should shut up their whistle, for good health.
            5. +4
              April 15 2016 09: 16
              Dear Mahmut ... How about arithmetic? Do you cope? So try to continue the arithmetic. How did Russia acquire foreign ownership? Was it sweating and abutting, built, erected and bought by the inhabitants of the Union republics? I apologize...
              The inhabitants of the Union republics consumed the Russian product, which the Russians sent to you in the republics to "pull up". And in these republics they did not itch too much about shock work. Right? Or am I fucking lying? Well, honestly, for yourself, let's remember. Well?
              You, I once again apologize, ate in seven necks and mercilessly stole. And to work ... horses die from work, right? Let the Russian work, he's stupid. And smart Mahmut ... I don’t know about you personally and I don’t presume to say. But the average Mahmut did not build or buy anything from foreign property. Because he ate six more than he had gained.
              Which is confirmed by practice. That Russia has ceased to tear for you so what? HERE is your labor productivity. Here she is, we see her. Impressive, huh? Has a lot of foreign property been bought by the republics of the bais, khans and presidents? Not yourself, but the republics? That's exactly what is owed to you. Zero integers, shish of tenths and blowing. Freeloaders.
        2. VB
          +4
          April 13 2016 13: 22
          Almost all the property of the USSR abroad is the property of tsarist Russia; nobody canceled the right to inherit from parents.
        3. +1
          April 14 2016 11: 01
          everyone took part, but after all, they received budgets for this, forming their notorious GDP, no one "built" for free and this is taken into account in the statistics.
          so I do not understand the claim.
        4. -3
          April 14 2016 14: 55
          I mean, if the Black Sea Fleet and all enterprises that were in Ukraine but owned by the USSR were donated to Ukraine in the 90s, and Crimea was donated to Ukraine in the 1950s, then Ukraine now has the right to demand money for joining Crimea to Russia?
        5. +1
          April 14 2016 16: 49
          Do not need all the property under one comb. Some property was taken fairly, and some not. The republics undeservedly got large industrial facilities, power plants, all military equipment, everything that the republics themselves would never have built. So the ukrovermaht insolently seized Sevastopol, which, when the Crimea was transferred, was left subordinate to Moscow, the Ukrainian people did it taking advantage of the difficult situation in Russia, and now they are offended when they did the same to them, eye for eye.
        6. +1
          April 14 2016 23: 04
          Mahmut you were left Mahmut. So simple no offense. I know what, because I myself am writing from Ukraine.
        7. 0
          April 15 2016 05: 36
          You're delusional? What share? My grandfather restored the Donbass. Shakhty. My friends ancestors worked in Kazakhstan, the Baltic states, UkrAin, grapes were harvested in Moldova, a metallurgical plant was built in Georgia. What are you talking about? Sucker? Or a goat-fag-traitor?
        8. 0
          April 15 2016 05: 39
          so answer. Type MAHMUT]]]]]]
    2. +54
      April 12 2016 18: 54
      Quote: bad
      I’d like to show them! .. at the state level, count everything and present .. let them howl and scratch their turnips .. especially the balts .. bully

      Treaty of Nystadt (1721) - a peace treaty between Russia and Sweden, which ended the Northern War, was signed on August 30, 1721 in the town of Nystadt (Finland). Under its terms, Sweden forever ceded Livonia, Estonia, Ingria and the southwestern part of Karelia to Russia. Vyborg. For this, Peter returned Finland to the Swedes and paid 2 million rubles for the received territories. As a result, Sweden lost its possessions on the eastern coast of the Baltic and a significant part of its possessions in Germany, retaining only a part of Pomerania and the island of Rügen. Thus, not only the Northern War in particular ended. Finally, the persistent, almost two-century, efforts of the Moscow tsars to firmly establish themselves on the Baltic shores were crowned with great success. On the day of receiving the news of the signing of a peace treaty with Sweden, Peter I organized wide festivities in St. Petersburg. The masquerade went on for a whole week, cannons were fired, fountains with white and red wine beat. According to his contemporaries, the tsar "had fun like a child, danced and sang songs." On October 20, 1721 in the Senate, Peter I announced that he forgave all convicted criminals, freed state debtors, and paid back arrears accumulated since the beginning of the war. On the same day, the Senate presented the tsar with the title "Peter the Great, Father of the Fatherland and the Emperor of All Russia." So let the Baldeans return 2 million in gold, taking into account inflation and costs, this amount is now in trillions of green bills. hi
      1. +44
        April 12 2016 19: 35
        Quote: vovanpain
        Here and let the Baldays return 2 million gold, taking into account inflation and costs, this amount is now in trillions of green pieces of paper

        From 1991 to 2014, dear horses Russia invested more than $ 200 billion in Ukraine, how much the USSR has invested in Ukraine cannot be accounted for, so you won’t get rid of Crimea, you need to return all of New Russia, and in the remaining areas you need to work out the interest of 500 years, which applies by the way who was part of the USSR or the Russian Empire. hiThese are the Russian "barbarians":
        1. +9
          April 12 2016 23: 17
          Everything lends itself to accounting. There was such an organization - Gosplan. The archives should be preserved. There you can calculate for each year of "occupation" to whom, how much, from whom.
          1. +9
            April 13 2016 08: 43
            Quote: magosvel
            There you can calculate for each year of "occupation" to whom, how much, from whom.

            There’s nothing to add
            1. +1
              April 13 2016 11: 38
              Alas, he is ....
              1. -26
                April 13 2016 20: 31
                Russian people burst into villages and villages leaving behind cities, universities, libraries and theaters.

                And why do not they break into their villages and farms and leave behind cities, universities, libraries and theaters.
                Yes, you still cannot build normal roads, but to missionaries there too. What the fuck are you going to build in Samarkand or Yerevan, each of which is older than Kiev, Moscow and St. Petersburg combined. Who are you going to open your eyes to science?
                Descendants of Ulukbek, Avicena, inventors of the mathematics of chess and surgery. Who did you imagine the evil Ivanes who betrayed their gods and forbade their signs in the name of the foreign two-headed chimera and the Jewish religion created ONLY FOR EXPORT TO LOOZER. And they also betrayed their father to the tsar, who gave him to be torn to pieces by the rabid Khazars. Nobody called you into a strange world. Well, if a hefty neighbor would burst into your apartment, throw out old cheap furniture from there and bring in new expensive machines. And then I would still demand compensation from you.
                1. +22
                  April 14 2016 04: 18
                  Enough to set fire, Mahmut - Abdullah has long been killed by Sukhov. If it weren’t for the school that your grandfather Ivan built in your cluttered village, you couldn’t even write this sneaky libel. Samarkand founded the Macedonian (Alexandria Dalnaya), and the city was built by the Sogdians, who are never Mahmouths or Saids, but the ancient Iranian peoples. Turks still did not even come into the world. So it’s enough to cling to them, as the Azeri are also puffing that they are ancient, and the Armenians are gypsies. I advised one of such people to go to Rome and look at the walls of the Coliseum of the map of the Roman Empire, where for 117 under Armenia there is Armenia big and small Armenia, but there are no words of Azerbaijan tam. You 20 years ago, your Churek clever men scribbled a fantastic story for bloating the FGM and you, like rams, accepted this, although you studied in Soviet schools. So you are not the descendants of Ibn Sina and al Khorezmi (the Indians invented chess, the clever horseradish), but the miserable jackals who came to Central Asia from Altai in the VI century and exterminated the Sogdians and Bactrians only gave you a piece of bread to your brain. And in the 20s, your grandfather and great-grandfather were illiterate, poor, dirty and smelly farmers, and
                  and you, their descendant, are a thankless pig.
                  1. 0
                    April 14 2016 15: 19
                    You scolding him with a pig in vain - this is cruel. For the rest - I agree :)
                    1. -5
                      April 15 2016 12: 45
                      As I blew you well, missionaries of Kiev. Visit the cities built by "Macedonian" and compare their cleanliness with your pissed porches and elevators. And also visit public transport to see at least one sitting horseman in it in the presence of at least one standing woman or child. Peter was built by Italians, Moscow by Armenians, and the new Putin's Russia is being built by Moldovans and Tajiks. And what are the Russians doing at this time? And the Russians shit in comments and build roads - the most fucking roads in the world.
                      1. 0
                        April 15 2016 13: 00
                        Samarkand founded Macedonian

                        And who built the Russian city "Armavir".
                      2. +2
                        April 15 2016 13: 11
                        ... announce all the names of Alexander, and his titles, as well as nicknames .., please ..
                2. 0
                  April 14 2016 17: 45
                  Who are you going to open your eyes to science?
                  Descendants of Ulukbek, Avicena, inventors of the mathematics of chess and surgery. Who did you imagine yourself the evil Ivan who betrayed his gods and forbade their signs in the name of a foreign two-headed chimera and the Jewish religion

                  There were once Avicenna and Ulugbek ... But a very long time ago. But their descendants for some reason other than Allah Akbar scream, they know nothing else. And they do not know how and do not want to work. They want freebies and steal and rob with impunity. But all owe them something (especially the Russians). What is a vivid example of this opus.
                  1. 0
                    April 15 2016 04: 01
                    ..and were they really ..?
                3. +1
                  April 14 2016 18: 29
                  Mahmut, I don’t recognize you today in makeup ... stop
      2. +3
        April 13 2016 13: 54
        Correctly! only what for us worthless, unsecured pieces of paper? GOLD let them return!
        1. +1
          April 14 2016 17: 03
          So they don’t have anything, but what happened was long ago depreciated. The problem of all the former is that for twenty years they have not invested in production.
      3. +3
        April 14 2016 06: 43
        This is correctly noted that Vyborg is not Finland, but southwestern Karelia. This is Alexashka I, in life, included her in the Principality of Finland, like the Khrushchev Crimea, and the artful-assed Suoms seized during the collapse of the empire. But the main mistake of the author of the post - Peter paid 2 million gold efimki, and this is not rubles (you can say this is the euro of that time). The gigantic amount paid for 7 years, i.e. another 3 years after the death of the emperor in 1725 by Catherine I. So by 1991, for 270 years, a wild sum had run up and even Sweden itself could not redeem these territories.
    3. -69
      April 12 2016 19: 07
      And why did he keep silent that Russia took over the debts in exchange for the republic's renunciation of nuclear weapons?
      1. +36
        April 12 2016 19: 30
        Yeah, freebie infrastructure, industry freebie common debts also took over and nuclear weapons from above had to be reported? Monkeys grenades supply this inheritance of effigies from Fashington they have extensive experience.
        No, feed these beggars themselves, Russia such Svidomo parasites did not stare at the mustache.
        1. -50
          April 12 2016 21: 24
          Why are you trying to argue with the facts? Take a closer look at the topic of debts. Ivan expresses the victory too one-sided. One gets the impression that all the republics did nothing, and "manna from heaven" fell on their heads. It turns out who created the USSR fools? They had nowhere to put their money?
          1. +6
            April 12 2016 22: 34
            So it was, what are you not happy with?
            1. -18
              April 13 2016 20: 04
              Yeah, infrastructure for free, industry for free

              That is, you believe that only the inhabitants of the RSFSR worked in the USSR. And after that you take the nerve to say that the Americans are stupid. Now I see that the Russians and Ukrainians are twins and brothers in mind.
              1. +2
                April 14 2016 17: 08
                Being outside the USSR, all these republics would not have received such nishtyaks, and even being in the USSR, having received all these riches, after leaving the USSR they pissed away everything, why are they not "working" now?
              2. +5
                April 14 2016 23: 23
                Mahmut (1) - I remember everything perfectly as it was in the USSR. The memories are much more good than negative. But there is one feature. The majority of Russians, communism and socialism, took on faith - they, that is, we lived by this. All the other small, but always proud peoples were, by and large, in Russian, it is called DARMOIDS, with a few exceptions for really hardworking people. No need to tell tales, I saw everything in Baku in due time. If these peoples are so well talented, then what have they achieved over the years of their independence? Well, and most importantly - as soon as the Russians weakened, a krovushka immediately poured. And what did you want to say with all of this?
                1. -3
                  April 15 2016 12: 57
                  It is good that you saw Soviet Baku with your own eyes. So Soviet Baku and modern Baku differ from each other like Samara and Hong Kong. You will certainly say that it is thanks to oil. Well yes. Only after all, in Russia there is no less oil per capita than in Baku. And Russia is full of gold, diamonds and other nishtyaks, which Baku has never had. And then the point. What prevents you from realizing your potential. Could it be that the legs prevented that tapeworm. Or maybe all the same the heavy royal heritage of Faberge.
          2. +14
            April 12 2016 23: 39
            Quote: st25310
            Why are you trying to argue with the facts? Take a closer look at the topic of debts. Ivan expresses the victory too one-sided. One gets the impression that all the republics did nothing, and "manna from heaven" fell on their heads. It turns out who created the USSR fools? They had nowhere to put their money?

            Dear, did you even watch the video or read what is written below? Judging by the written no. Immediately the old song about vysovyreti.
          3. +20
            April 13 2016 03: 27
            It turns out who created the USSR fools? They had nowhere to put money?


            Not at all. They were not fools). And so they did not value the money. And they valued prosperity, enlightenment and friendship of peoples. Money is only a means.
            But you, in the USA, cannot understand this).

            And what about your facts - what are these?) What you said is fiction.
            The reason for this was the "Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" developed by the UN back in the late 60s and signed in the 70s.
            Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons as a result of the "Budapest Memorandum" in 1994! When all the debt issues have already been resolved).
            Russia itself declared itself the successor of the USSR with all the pros and cons in 1991.
            So what facts are you talking about?
            1. +2
              April 14 2016 11: 09
              ..and it’s not so simple as it seems .. V. Ulyanov-Blank .. laid a national mine-having formed national entities .. Ivan the Terrible liquidated the Bulgarian kingdom on the Volga, Ulyanov-Lenin gave birth to the Tatar Republic, inventing a new nationality .., Ukraine appeared .. etc. The national elite has appeared .. There are no ideal options ... There was a plus that Russia has gained a lot of votes on the world stage, but the likelihood of the collapse of the country has increased ..
              1. -1
                April 14 2016 17: 49
                Ulyanov-Lenin gave birth to the Tatar Republic, having come up with a new nationality .., Ukraine appeared ..

                Lenin invented the Tatars ... O tempora! O mores!
                Was there no Tatars before Lenin?
                1. +1
                  April 15 2016 04: 13
                  ... Tatar = Khazarin = Cossack - an equestrian warrior, used as tribute collectors - hence the saying: an uninvited guest is worse than a Tatar (tax collector) ..
              2. 0
                April 14 2016 19: 03
                In relation to V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin, I would not be so categorical. Stalin-Koba-Dzhugashvili "turned to the national question" He worked on this issue both in Russia and abroad. In Vienna, at one of the cheap hotels, you can see a memorial plaque on which it is written that I.S. Stalin-Dzhugashvili lived in this building, working on a book on nationality issues. I would advise you to read his opus "Marxism and the National Question" written by "Koboi" already in 1912. But after the victory of the October Revolution, Stalin entered the Council of People's Commissars (SNK) as People's Commissar for Nationalities! And so Stalin - People's Commissar for Nationalities!
                Learn the mat. part of the cutest!
                Here is a link to his opus "Marxism and the National Question":
                http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t2/t2_48.htm
                Read it - a very funny "job"!
                1. 0
                  April 15 2016 04: 34
                  ... to destroy "tsarism" all means of international "well-wishers" were used .. Stalin was a student of Lenin (we will go the other way) .. It was later that Stalin began to destroy the "Lenin Guard" (look into the nationality of these figures .. and what percentage of the population of Russia they were ..) when the Moor did his job .. it was time for him to leave ..
          4. +10
            April 13 2016 06: 32
            Quote: st25310
            Why are you trying to argue with the facts? Take a closer look at the topic of debts. Ivan expresses the victory too one-sided. One gets the impression that all the republics did nothing, and "manna from heaven" fell on their heads. It turns out who created the USSR fools? They had nowhere to put their money?

            Who created the USSR are not fools! All the infrastructure and logistics of a single economic space were created so as not to produce parasites, but so that everyone would work out their well-being, but the central government assumed the obligation to maintain this entire logistics system, and subsidies went to it. Another question is how they were used locally ... And when this unified system was torn to pieces by "ingenious independent local elites", then the entire burden of keeping these pieces fell on their shoulders ... As long as economic ties were maintained, they could live (though , not so happy anymore, that's why they got angry), but as they began to sever economic ties, the kaput came ... The Baltic states still managed to get on in time to suck the EU under construction (which was reunited at the expense of the USSR in particular), and who did not have time (example , Georgia) - he fell into the service "for the future" ... Only they do not know that the suck is not eternal, and the service is needed for the time being ... And Russia, despite the fact that it was shamelessly robbed by everyone This time (they continue to this day) she managed to recover and recover even in those terrible conditions in which she was put ... And there is not much time left for everything in the world to fall into place! And all these suckers will come back on their own, but in a new quality ... Then we'll see who and what will start to remember!)))
          5. +11
            April 13 2016 09: 20
            Quote: st25310
            They had nowhere to put money?


            Listen smartass, you lived in the Soviet Union, and if you lived, where was and what did you see? So do not tell tales. I rode around the country and looked, all the Union republics, especially the mighty tribaltes, skated like cheese in oil, at least in the cities.
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      2. +18
        April 12 2016 19: 58
        Well, in Ukraine, nuclear plants have not been taken. it must be remembered that the largest accident even during the USSR occurred on the territory of Ukraine. And now the stations are breathing. Leaving them with nuclear weapons would be similar to death. There were not so many Russians who were afraid (they hoped that specialists there stayed with weapons grown on Soviet yeast) but Americans were afraid because they understood who they were dealing with ...
        1. +1
          April 14 2016 11: 12
          and how many scandals were there on the sale of everything radioactive by Ukrainians
      3. +7
        April 13 2016 03: 47
        Quote: st25310
        And why did he keep silent that Russia took over the debts in exchange for the republic's renunciation of nuclear weapons?

        Are these, for example, republics? Baltic States, Transcaucasia? Maybe Central Asia?
        Where in the Budapest memorandum 94g (which concerned only Ukraine and has not been ratified by the parties) is it written about debts?
      4. +12
        April 13 2016 06: 02
        Quote: st25310
        And why did he keep silent that Russia took over the debts in exchange for the republic's renunciation of nuclear weapons?

        Did you come up with such a deal, or was there a smart guy who suggested you? With the collapse of the USSR, there were no exchanges! And the republics in whose territories nuclear weapons were located did not want to assume the corresponding obligations for its maintenance, signing all international treaties that existed at that time ... The only Republic of the RSFSR called itself the legal successor and, accordingly, assumed all international obligations, signed by the USSR! And put your fiction about this exchange, stick it in another place ...
      5. +3
        April 13 2016 13: 59
        So that it would be if they also got nuclear weapons !! Scary to imagine!
        And where did they get our nuclear weapons from?
      6. +5
        April 13 2016 19: 18
        Because a vigorous bomb is not just some kind of presence, it is, above all, the ability and the possibility of content, it is a very VERY VERY expensive "Pleasure".
        and yes, imagine for a second that the presence of nuclear weapons was left, for example, in Tajikistan with their Taliban or in Maidanut Ukraine.
      7. +3
        April 13 2016 19: 22
        You are right, it was. Minus either unknowing or stupid.
      8. 0
        April 14 2016 17: 54
        The refusal of the republics from nuclear weapons ...

        It is scary to imagine Tajikistan in the 90s with its yurchiks and vovchiki in the presence of nuclear weapons.
    4. +33
      April 12 2016 20: 53
      Otto von Bismarck: "....... Russians always come back for their money!"
      1. +2
        April 13 2016 05: 24
        Here is a correct and obvious proposition. Memory and memory.
    5. +1
      April 12 2016 23: 29
      The topic is not fully disclosed. Thanks to Ivan, that after a quarter of a century opened his eyes to where the money went! But I would like to hear about the day today.
      1. +9
        April 12 2016 23: 44
        Yes, the money went there. At work, a man is working with us and he used to be related to one of the regional committees. So there he saw with his own eyes a document for internal use on the distribution of nishtyakov among the republics. So there it was written in Russian in white, that the same Baltic states allocated 15 times more per capita than a resident of the middle band of the RSFSR.
      2. +6
        April 13 2016 05: 24
        Quote: Ivan Slavyanin
        The topic is not fully disclosed. Thanks to Ivan, that after a quarter of a century opened his eyes to where the money went! But I would like to hear about the day today

        Yes, everything is so, but not completely so :) Let's take an example - "beloved" Kyrgyzstan. Stopudovo before the USSR there were yurts, mainly after the war there were large investments in industry, etc. But it is precisely that these 246 rubles did not go into people's pockets, not in the form of grants / allowances, but into construction, into development! The population under the Union in some "closed" cities was up to 90% + non-Kyrgyz. In some places they were still sitting in the mountains. For these 246 * how many people and * years = the state (USSR) set up housing factories, etc. Then "independence" burst out. (from whom? By the way, the Kyrgyz proved in all seriousness that the first person appeared in Kyrgyzstan). In those same towns, now there are 90% of the Kyrgyz who descended from the mountains. The Germans left for Germany, the Russians wherever they could, the pensioners who could not die out, the very 10% of the elderly remained, and some were simply killed. Or - not easy. Comrades, do not be offended, but these are facts, read your memoirs. Yesterday I just looked at school photo archives, it's so interesting - under the Soviet Union there are only Russian children, 1-2 Kirghiz, and now - only 1-2 ... retired teachers.
        But - and what the same Russians built for those same 246 rubles now went to these very Kirghiz! That is, it is necessary to divide 246p not by the entire population that was then, but - which is now. This is on one side of the balance sheet, and on the other side it is necessary to subtract from the Russian part (or add, how is it correct? :) "repeated" costs for people who have moved from there. Here is an interesting question, and everything is much worse ...
        1. +5
          April 13 2016 07: 17
          The patience of the Russians is not unlimited, and they can ultimately make you pay for it.
          I do not believe. Faith is over. Because in fact the opposite is true - the patience of the Russians is unlimited, and we cannot force something or someone to repay debts. Apparently due to the natural kindness and generosity of our leaders, especially when it comes to squandering the wealth earned not by them personally, but by the Russian people. The most patient people on the planet? How long?
          1. +4
            April 13 2016 09: 22
            And we forgive all our debts! For tens of billions of greens! And again we give out loans! The parade of generosity. I don’t understand something ...
    6. 0
      April 14 2016 16: 40
      Begging is not our way.
    7. 0
      April 15 2016 05: 31
      The Baltic States are a pleasant, worthless territory. When we come to you, remember everything. All of our soldiers who died for the liberation of YOU, for the KGB officers killed by your forest brothers. We will destroy you. And forever. There will be no such territory, the Baltic states. You destroyed it yourself.
  2. +15
    April 12 2016 18: 43
    You cannot refuse logic to the author ...
    1. +9
      April 12 2016 19: 06
      Quote: Wolverine
      You cannot refuse logic to the author ...

      -------------------
      He still did not mention the territories acquired. About the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the Yalta Conference, all the nyashki from which went to the Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine. And Russia is to blame, which now has only narrow corridors of access to the west.
  3. +11
    April 12 2016 18: 45
    Yes, well, their independent and other holodrozete! Now they are in their usual state, with outstretched hands.

  4. +23
    April 12 2016 18: 47
    I don’t know the subtleties, but when the Soviet Union collapsed I was a student ... and a professor of economics (still Soviet) told us that it was unfair to let the republic go by taking all the debts on themselves ... to pay the general ones as well ... and he said that time would pass show us that we still have to ... as if looking into the water ..
  5. -41
    April 12 2016 18: 49
    want freebies and new nishtyakov
    Oh, the author would know the meaning of the word "nishtyak". would not write. The young windbag is immediately visible.
    1. -15
      April 12 2016 19: 03
      Quote: Uncle
      Oh, the author would know the meaning of the word "nishtyak". would not write

      - and this is a stamp. The author is from the Atomic Berkem sect, or just grabbed the words there laughing
      1. -28
        April 12 2016 19: 12
        Well, yes, grumbled with his gerla, fused on overdrive and let's wrap up the articles. smile
        1. 0
          April 13 2016 20: 45
          oh, the author would know the meaning of the word "nishtyak". would not write. The young windbag is immediately visible.

          The word "nishtyak" has been in circulation in Russian for at least 50 years.
          Although the meaning of the word is somewhat lost. But the fact that you do not know this speaks of your young age, or your home, not a hooligan childhood.
    2. -11
      April 13 2016 07: 28
      Oh, the author would know the meaning of the word "nishtyak"
      The brainless ones also made some minuses. Brainless, I appeal to you, look, for the sake of interest, the meaning of the word "nishtyak". I think you will be udevlen))))
      1. +8
        April 13 2016 16: 30
        niche

        Noun, inanimate, masculine, 2 declination (type of declination 3a according to A. A. Zaliznyak's classification).
        Meaning:
        jarg. good, pleasant thing. "Because there are normal nishtyakov left, such as a can of stewed meat, a loaf of bread, half a pot of potatoes, in short, not a fig for myself nishtyakov left."


        I was really surprised: what does this word not fit? Three of those who are minuscule do not give an answer, but only call others brainless. Well, still, all the three are minus to me.
        1. -1
          April 14 2016 19: 30
          ... in the 80s my uncle told me that "nishtyak" is bedding for cattle ... hay, straw ...
  6. +25
    April 12 2016 18: 50
    “And after all debts were paid, Russia officially became the only legal successor to the USSR.

    Follow the thought?
    "...

    But a thought-idea is good ... However, it’s fantastic ... You can’t wait for anything from the return-payment ... But you would have to shut up your mouth somehow ... And this is the business of lawyers and midfielders .. .

    But it is well said: the Soviet Socialist Republic they stole and wanted at the expense of Russia again freebies ... Ugh !!!
    1. +20
      April 12 2016 19: 00
      Quote: weksha50
      And this is the business of lawyers and midfielders ...

      George, there is such a category of neighbors that are domestic, that are geopolitical, who, except in the face, understand nothing, alas. recourse
      1. +5
        April 12 2016 20: 14
        Quote: Vladimirets
        George, there is such a category of neighbors that are domestic, that are geopolitical, who, except in the face, understand nothing, alas.



        Recently, prophetic dreams have begun to dream me ... About the fact that Ukraine and the Baltic are in snot and tears ...

        Wait ...
  7. +6
    April 12 2016 18: 56
    I agree with the Author. Roll out the ACCOUNT ...
  8. +3
    April 12 2016 18: 57
    Maybe someone knows how Ivan Victory without a beard looks like? The search returned no results ..
    1. 0
      April 12 2016 19: 12
      And he walks in it without taking off. laughing
      1. +2
        April 12 2016 20: 03
        Well, I see .. he was born in her ..
  9. +3
    April 12 2016 18: 59
    Howling and crying will be even greater, if the Great Russians entered into a polemic, then they really should. Hence the conclusion - to send to Sasha, they pay more generously for licking cleaner.
  10. wow
    -1
    April 12 2016 19: 08
    I saw a similar layout of the balance back in 1992, before the start of this mess. Only in my opinion the Lithuanian SSR was also in the black (due to meat and dairy products). And right now, everyone "is in trouble, then that is in trouble," according to the previously announced scenario ....
    1. +6
      April 12 2016 20: 27
      In a small plus was only the BSSR!
      And about the rest - there was a game with purchase prices.
      Very ugly.
      Sincerely ...
      1. +2
        April 14 2016 11: 18
        and this speculation with prices was also with the CMEA countries
        when the newest tank was changed to a pea car
        due to which the trade balance of the RSFMR was greatly distorted in the negative direction
        plus, the share of the costs of maintaining the infrastructure ensuring the stable existence of the state — from science to the state apparatus and army — was not taken into account at all
    2. +4
      April 12 2016 23: 46
      Quote: yo-mine
      I saw a similar layout of the balance back in 1992, before the start of this mess. Only in my opinion the Lithuanian SSR was also in the black (due to meat and dairy products). And right now, everyone "is in trouble, then that is in trouble," according to the previously announced scenario ....

      The leaders of the Baltic freeloaders frankly said why work well - you need to correctly demand.
  11. +3
    April 12 2016 19: 16
    conversation about nothing. Everything has already been cleared. It is necessary to demand in fact, that is, according to the principle "if you want to separate, pay a penalty", but those who have now become the oligarchy of the former Soviet republics betrayed and sold each of their people separately. So the denyuzhki sailed away ... everything was divided on the gangster gangway a long time ago. And the whining about "compensation for the occupation" is a political reason not to pay the current debts and create a propaganda background so that the "intercessor" countries under this pretext, having made a coup in Russia, plunder it. The public will have to explain something. Here's a fairy tale ready for you: we are withdrawing compensation for the bloody communist regime. And, what is most "fun", in our country a decent number of people managed to convince traitors of the crime of "bloody" Bolshevism during the reign of traitors.
    So, you’re my patriotic, even if you think the ephemeral iPhone is a worthy substitute for communism, you’ll still never indulge in talk about the criminal USSR, because if you are killed under these conversations, then you will be robbed and ** ut.
    1. 0
      April 13 2016 16: 29
      conversation about nothing. Everything is already spread.

      Well then, it remains only to drink poison.
  12. +8
    April 12 2016 19: 17
    Similar data are in the article of Yegor Kholmogorov.
    Say, in 1990, the RSFSR produced goods and services for $ 17 per capita, and consumed $ 500. And in Georgia it was produced at 11, and consumed at 800. In other words, while every resident of Russia gave $ 10 to other republics in 600, every resident of Georgia received $ 41 from other donor republics, primarily Russia - a lot of money even today.

    The group of donor republics was Russia and Belarus. The production and consumption of Ukraine was relatively parity (at the same time, we will not forget that in reality the east of Ukraine overproduced and the west overproduced). The Baltic republics produced a lot, but they consumed incomparably a lot (Estonia: 15 800/35 800). Central Asia produced negligible production, but consumed more of Russia (Tajikistan: 5500/15 600), while the Caucasus, with modest production, skated like cheese in oil (we already brought Georgia, Armenia: 9500/29 500).

    In other words, the USSR, with its “Leninist national politics”, was a country where 150 million Russians and 8 million Belarusians roamed for everyone else. Each Russian paid a hidden tribute, which far exceeds even his current average salary.


    Why did the Russian have to pay for all this? The official discourse of internationalism was added behind the back with talks about Vanka-invader, who conquered free peoples who would have healed without him, as well as talks about Vanka-alcoholic, who still can not do anything and should be glad that he is sitting drunk at the common a table of beautiful nations. And the fact that Vanka was not able to do anything was proved by the fact that he had one Moskvich in the village, and Givi had two Volga for a family.

    http://vz.ru/columns/2015/8/19/761827.html
    Here are such calculations.
    And based on the current claims of our so-called "soyuznikov" .... they would have walked through the forest .... not to mention the territories "occupied" by the USSR.
  13. +3
    April 12 2016 19: 25
    If you consider the entire process of the collapse of the Soviet Union from a legal point of view, then all these local presidents, kings, khans, bais and hetmans, just sleep under the guise of whether *** foreign property of the Soviet people

    For some reason, the author omits one detail: the decision to end the existence of the USSR was made by the leaders of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. One of them was definitely a drunk.
    No one asked the opinion of other republics, they were simply thrown out, sent to a known address. Left without the same subsidies, which the author writes about. Thrown into the sea from a ship - save yourself as you can ...
    Wasn’t that so? It is at least immoral ...
    1. +1
      April 12 2016 19: 59
      Yes, because in Russia, by that time, enterprises began to go bankrupt in order to buy them up on a cheap. Production began to strive to zero and there was no longer any possibility to release that kind of money for the maintenance of "fraternal peoples".
    2. +1
      April 12 2016 20: 01
      because they didn’t run because they understood what would come. Well, apart from the Balts, who simply didn’t understand by stupidity that although they were being pulled to Europe, they would have to pay for everything later.
    3. +4
      April 12 2016 21: 03
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Wasn’t that so?

      Not this way. Google "parade of sovereignties"
    4. 0
      April 12 2016 23: 47
      So we are not saying anything about Kazakhstan, and about Belarus itself.
    5. +1
      April 14 2016 11: 23
      the solution did not create, but consolidated the actual processes
      the year before that, I remember exactly that literally all the republics brutally pressed Russians and squeezed everything out of them - social status, rights, housing, property
      how many killings were based on nationalism.
  14. +1
    April 12 2016 19: 36
    Here the meaning is that in any case we will not exhibit anything to anyone. Not that education, not that thesaurus. But to remind some presumptuous "comrades" who owes whom and for what - this is not only possible, but also necessary :)
  15. +4
    April 12 2016 19: 40
    So they still blather for the Crimea! Or maybe from dill demand for the illegal use of the Crimea! After all, the peninsula moved to the outskirts by breaking all and international and legal laws at the behest of the bald xokhla-Khrushchov
  16. +11
    April 12 2016 19: 46
    hee hee ---------------------------------------
  17. +1
    April 12 2016 19: 59
    Quote: bad
    I’d like to show them! .. at the state level, count everything and present .. let them howl and scratch their turnips .. especially the balts .. bully

    Well, present ... And what do you take from them?
    1. +1
      April 12 2016 23: 30
      Quote: acetophenon
      Well, present ... And what do you take from them?

      Sprats, but only according to Soviet GOST.
      1. +1
        April 13 2016 19: 25
        and that with Soviet symbols !!! good
  18. +8
    April 12 2016 20: 14
    All this must be included in the history textbooks in order to initially instill the correct worldview among the population of the country. You need to bring up not just pride in your country, but the ability to competently defend this pride, if necessary, explain intelligibly to different "former" who is who.
  19. 0
    April 12 2016 20: 34
    Quote: Uncle
    Oh, the author would know the meaning of the word "nishtyak"

    Well, they don’t know! Well, correct, tell me. The article as a whole ...
  20. +3
    April 12 2016 21: 41
    What s ... and still minus the article? the merchants of the detached republics :))) True, his eyes were stabbed ...
  21. +5
    April 12 2016 21: 42
    "... As a result, Russia paid off all the debts of the USSR and Tsarist Russia, including for all these freshly baked states. It paid in full. And no one helped her in this."
    Now the time has come to collect debts and distribute p .... th.
    1. +1
      April 13 2016 14: 47
      Dream time ...
    2. +1
      April 14 2016 11: 45
      go to the children’s s (z) hell with such ideas. It’s not just fists that create well-being.
      you can scare everyone, but what will you do then?
      How much did the USSR rake off even from the stupid undertaking of a socialist coup in Germany?
      Until Stalin killed all the belligerent Cominterns, problems grew
      and now you are again on this rake ??????
  22. +5
    April 12 2016 21: 59
    I subscribe to every word. It's time to end this nonsense of fraternal peoples - there is only benefit for the country. You can’t give a profit - goodbye. And then this nonsense with the brotherhood is tired.
  23. +2
    April 12 2016 23: 40
    But every pug that is yapping about occupation could have sued Russia for a long time, but no, it’s better for them to bark (the court puts an end to it), and bark as much as you want while your teeth are intact.
  24. +4
    April 12 2016 23: 57
    It just became clear to the Russians who they are
    partners brothers and brothers
    and how can they betray snuff for tobacco.
  25. +1
    April 13 2016 01: 56
    Yeah ... This is how the question is posed to all these "small but proud" ones, like a sickle over cuticules! laughing But with jackals and traitors, it simply cannot be otherwise. They take the nobility of Russia for her weakness and become impudent! Therefore, our government would not hurt to work according to a scheme in which for every independent howl in our direction about the return or compensation from these very "little but proud" we would roll out a counterclaim to them in The Hague demanding payment of Russia for the Soviet inheritance! They would quickly subside! Yes ..... Dreams, dreams ... Ugh!
  26. +2
    April 13 2016 04: 14
    OHULIRDS OHULIRDS !!! Yes, I'm just happy and proud of the GREAT AND POWERFUL! My thanks to the author drinks
  27. +4
    April 13 2016 08: 02
    In fairness, the author’s tablet does not indicate subsidies, but investments, that is, money allocated from the budget for the construction of factories, mines, mines, schools, kindergartens, houses, hotels, cinemas, roads, etc.
    Of this money, not a penny came directly to the population, but indirectly the population of the republics had better housing, good roads, modern hotels and movie theaters, well-paid jobs, and the modest Russians got the rest.
    If the money invested in the virgin lands of Kazakhstan invested in agriculture in the European part of Russia, the problems with the supply of food to the population would be completely resolved. If the money invested in the construction of modern housing in the republics were paid to the RSFSR proportionally to the labor contribution, then by the 80 year the problem of housing would be completely solved and people would live in normal houses, not in slums.
    1. Riv
      +1
      April 13 2016 08: 53
      But then somewhere people would live in yurts and huts, right? Well, they didn’t work! But under socialism this should not be so.
  28. +3
    April 13 2016 08: 28
    Add.
    In 1989, the Main Traitor-Judas Chatterbox of the USSR M.S. Guboslep-Gorbachev withdrew the Soviet Army from Afghanistan.
    Why?
    It turned out that the matter was not at all in the plight of the economic situation of the USSR, as the Most Important Traitors were hiding us. They were asked about it ... USA.
    The CIA officials were concerned that among all the inhabitants of Afghanistan - peasants, clergy, artisans, etc. sentiments like: “We don’t need to fight the USSR - they are building roads, bridges, houses, schools, theaters, stadiums for us, they give us hope for a quiet life for our old people, for a decent future for our children, safety and confidence in the future to our women! "
    That is, Afghanistan would become another ally of the USSR, and not a hot spot at which the USSR would sink, as the CIA hoped!
    And then a bear, he didn’t merge such a thing! Eternal hell to this crazy Gorbachev!
  29. Riv
    +1
    April 13 2016 08: 50
    Funny tales about the USSR. One and the same thing: the RSFSR feeds everyone, and the rest are lazy and mediocre. Of course this is nonsense.

    In fact, the Soviet Union did not even have such a term: "subsidy". Moreover: THERE WAS NOT EVEN MONEY THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY SOMEONE. Subsidization means that a person was given more money than he produced a product. Under socialism, this is impossible. There were two types of money: cash and non-cash. The first is for cash payments to the population, the second is for settlements between enterprises. Conversion of one to the other was excluded. How to pay subsidies to the republics?

    If industrially developed Ukraine and Azerbaijan produced more products, and Tajikistan less, then the problem was solved comprehensively. In the metallurgical industry in Ukraine, salaries and prices for products were slightly reduced, and for cotton growers in Tajikistan, on the contrary, they were increased. In the end, there was enough money for everyone. It is clear that cotton with this approach is quite expensive. But this is the weakest link in the socialist system: the need for constant control from above. We have to remove and put the bosses in the field. Sometimes shoot, if the plan completely failed. Self-control was ruled out. There, on the contrary, it was profitable to work worse than the average for the Union.

    The republics ran into this after the collapse of the USSR. There was no desire to work better, and no one wanted to pay more money for the products, which were very expensive. As in the old film: "So let's drink to make our desires match our capabilities."
    1. +2
      April 13 2016 13: 18
      Quote: Riv
      In fact, the Soviet Union did not even have such a term: "subsidy".

      That's right, there was no term, so there were no subsidies. Well, obviously!
  30. +2
    April 13 2016 15: 17
    Correctly! I well remember how my parents traveled to Ukraine for sausages and sausages on weekends, and we had empty shelves in our city with defense plants.
  31. +3
    April 13 2016 17: 34
    Quote: st25310
    And why did he keep silent that Russia took over the debts in exchange for the republic's renunciation of nuclear weapons?


    Not from nuclear, but from quark ...
  32. -2
    April 13 2016 19: 20
    Quote: st25310
    And why did he keep silent that Russia took over the debts in exchange for the republic's renunciation of nuclear weapons?

    why are you minus, st25310- right.
    1. +2
      April 14 2016 11: 42
      and what is he right about?
      no republic could normally contain nuclear weapons - all specialists were trained in the RSFSR
      even fewer guarantees were in terms of security
      and the threat of a provoked nuclear war has been very high since the Cuban / Turkish crisis. Remember, missiles were deployed in Cuba as a response to such an action in Turkey.
  33. -1
    April 14 2016 00: 02
    Quote: Mahmut
    I do not agree. Russia took over all the external debts of the USSR as the sole assignee of the USSR. Therefore, Russia inherited all the property of the USSR located abroad. Abroad in relation to the USSR, and not to Russia. Residents of all republics participated in the construction of roads, factories and steamboats. And with a divorce, everyone got their share. But all foreign property (the value of which was many times higher than the value of USSR debts) completely went to Russia, which assumed an obligation for all USSR debts. So everything is fair.

    Not a plus to you, not a minus. In the video about the section, Ivan cunning a little. Indeed, the collapse was carried out in such a way that everything that was on the territory of the republics was left to them.
    Russia, as the legal successor to the USSR, received all foreign property. True, its cost, in comparison with the debts of even only one USSR (not counting the tsarist debts), was simply negligible. In fact, these were the buildings of the embassies, and also all debtors of the USSR had to pay off Soviet debts to Russia. In addition, all the property that today would be called "federal" was to go to the legal successor. That is, what was collected by the entire Union, but it was kept in the RSFSR: the Diamond Fund, the remains of the gold reserve, machines for printing and minting money, collections of large state. museums, archives, etc. small things. Yes, and intellectual property also applies here, but I don't know how it was actually divided.
  34. 0
    April 14 2016 03: 41
    Thanks to the author, plus and plus again
  35. +1
    April 14 2016 10: 43
    And I would have to ask. And somehow it turns out badly ..., not honestly. Yes, and our collectors need to be trained at the international level, otherwise they will soon be shot at by our Immense packs. And so at least some kind of benefit.
    1. +2
      April 14 2016 11: 29
      after WWII, Ukraine was in ruins, the industry is almost zero
      all industry that was created was created at the expense of the resources of the USSR and only to a small extent with the help of Ukraine itself.
      In similar conditions, the USA in Europe, according to the Marshall Plan, became a giant owner,
      and the USSR just gave.
      And so, wherever you look.
      Or an earthquake in Leninakan. At whose expense was restored? The republic’s share is many times less than the costs of the RSFSR.

      and while they built and helped everyone, the roads themselves were not repaired for 10-15 years, the infrastructure had only the necessary minimum.
      1. -1
        April 15 2016 05: 24
        And again, the message to Russia: well, you are brothers, help the evil, well, you’ve made a mistake. It happens to everyone. For .... smiling. Enough to feed Khokhlov already. Let them come and ask. Below. To the vassal. Slaves.
      2. 0
        April 15 2016 16: 34
        Quote: magdama
        well, you brothers, help the evil, well, I was mistaken

        Do we need such "brothers"? Better close (maybe not related) neighbors than such relatives.
  36. +2
    April 14 2016 16: 08
    Thanks to Ivan. What he wants is very important. Youth abroad is watching your shows. My son’s eyes are round. He reads to understand more in life and relates to it differently. As someone who won the Second World War told the school last year, the first one spoke about Gagarin’s flight. They called me to school. He argued with the teacher, showed Wikipedia ..... Such a position they just do not have in the program, so this did not happen at all. Shepard and Guadal Channel .. EVERYTHING. Now the son is silent at school. Nothing ... The truth is ours. Thank you Ivan !!! Return to RUSSIA Soviet education standards !!!
  37. +1
    April 14 2016 19: 56
    First, let Outskirts pay rent for the use of the lands that were part of the USSR smile
    1. 0
      April 15 2016 05: 19
      Will not pay. You just need to return these lands to Uzhgorod)))
  38. -1
    April 15 2016 05: 14
    It is impossible to say elsewhere. About Putin's speech V.V. “I do not think our government is weak. There are a lot of problems. The White House and the Central Bank are very professional. In my opinion, this is the most difficult thing that we have, but also the most interesting. ”
    These are HIS words. All - "out of step", and he "in step" ???? Everyone is already saying that Medvedev is worthless. Both a politician and an economist. In the government, Traitors to Russia, Ulyukaev and company. What, Russia needs to go through all the circles of hell again to remove this fucking government? In the 17th they were removed. Temporary.
  39. +1
    April 15 2016 05: 18
    I didn’t finish it. There will be a bucha, I will go out. Although not a protest by nature. Just- DAMAGED.
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      April 15 2016 07: 49
      Quote: magdama
      What, Russia again needs to go through all the circles of hell to remove this fucking government?

      There will be a bucha, I will go out. Although not a protest by nature.


      Those. Are you ready to provide Russia with all the circles of Hell?

      PS I know those who, just like you, "ZADOLBALO", they finished badly, because physically WERE FUCKED.
  40. 0
    April 15 2016 14: 48
    yeah! sawing! ento in 91 g it was clear! you need to be engaged in the center and not on the outskirts! and right now the kule is also the same in its own way! the state scored! then others both fed and fed! and we’ll sasem our paw in anticipation of svetlava! There’s no need for a stone-builder, but you’ll lose 12 hours on your watch! want those pan pay pay! or not sash your paw! If you protest, then we have to lose the National Guard! hang entih state whores! 37g is not tans. will go to plant taiga now! I am sure social and legal changes in the worship will be! Too many hungry with the most adequate social system in the world! am
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    April 15 2016 15: 47
    Armageddon
    Quote: Mahmut
    Samarkand founded Macedonian

    And who built the Russian city "Armavir".