Tests of the PAK FA with suspended missile weapons

Spotter photos appeared in the network, capturing the tests in Zhukovsky 2-x flight models of the T-50 fighter with mock-ups of guided missiles on external hangers, the blog reports bmpd.

Airplane T-50-1 (tail number "051") with suspended layouts of X-31 and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 08.04.2016

According to the blogger, these tests have been conducted since December 2015.

Aircraft T-50-2 (tail number "052") with suspended models of missiles RVV-SD and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 05.04.2016





Airplane T-50-2 (tail number "052") with suspended layouts X-31. Zhukovsky, February 2016 of the year

Airplane T-50-1 (tail number "051") with suspended layouts of X-31 and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 03.02.2016

Aircraft T-50-2 (tail number "052") with clearly visible external hangers and a suspended model of the X-31 rocket. Zhukovsky, December 2015 of the year

Comments

[Cananecat]

Handsome))

[cniza]

I wish him success in serving for the good of Russia.

[Wiruz]

Aircraft T-50-2 (tail number "052") with suspended models of missiles RVV-SD and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 05.04.2016

I alone did not see RVV-SD anywhere?

[silver_roman]

In-in. I also rubbed my eyes 10 times and nothing.
By the way, here she is

[Pavel Tsybai]

And what kind of engines do the shards in the second photo have? Or a distorted photo, painfully they are hunchbacked.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Pavel Tsybay

And what kind of engines do the shards in the second photo have? Or a distorted photo, painfully they are hunchbacked.

And not everything is in order in our kingdom. Riding what we can. It is symbolic of it, the second photo.

[yehat]

and looked into the inner suspension?

[ism_ek]

Quote: yehat

and looked into the inner suspension?

[NEXUS]

Quote: yehat

and looked into the inner suspension?

So I think the external suspension is the suspension, but what about the internal one? I don’t think that it is empty ...

[clidon]

It depends on whether you are ready to make launches from it or not.

[Foofighter]

Почему нет?

[NEXUS]

Quote: clidon

It depends on whether you are ready to make launches from it or not.

And the point is to check first the external suspension, and then the internal ... If tests with suspensions are already underway, then logically they will test both.

[clidon]

Which is simpler (completed) then we check, especially if we are talking about guided weapons and not about dragging mock-ups for piloting and (or) dumping.

If trials with suspensions are already underway, then logically they are testing both.

There is no such logic here and cannot be. Application from the inner compartment is much more difficult from under the wing.
Over there, the Americans have been letting some types (the same AIM-9x) "outside" for a long time, but from the inner compartment it is only planned and not soon.

[NEXUS]

Quote: clidon

Which is simpler (completed) then we check, especially if we are talking about guided weapons and not about dragging mock-ups for piloting and (or) dumping.

They plan to launch the T-50s in the 17th year ... there is a year left. I suppose, all the same, that work on developing the arsenal is going on as a result of this in an emergency mode. And therefore, I still think that the internal suspension is also being tested .
Wait and see.

[clidon]

Planning, planning ... Reschedule (what time), or surrender without an internal suspension, which will begin to work out after sending to the pulp and paper industry.
We remind you that according to plans for the beginning of last year, 12 prototypes should fly now.

[dogens]

Quote: NEXUS

They plan to launch the T-50s in the 17th year ... there is a year left. I suppose, all the same, that work on developing the arsenal is going on as a result of this in an emergency mode. And therefore, I still think that the internal suspension is also being tested .
Wait and see.

Perhaps for this reason, the PAK Fa will fly with weapons on the external sling, exactly until the moment they finish and use the internal compartments.
It seems to me that the question is that the time is right, but it needs to be launched. And while it flies like that, we’ll finish it there.
We saw this already on May 9 with Armata. From the series "She is so far, but will be different" and possibly even with a 152 mm gun, so be afraid. Here and now.
Moreover, no one has canceled the verification of aerodynamic qualities. Most likely, tests with suspended weapons are also provided for by state standards that any combat aircraft must pass.

And what's wrong? "What if there is a war?" and will you need to take additional load? Are there additional fuel tanks? What about other containers? won't you stuff everything into the internal compartments?

[Foofighter]

The logic is different, and everything works, just corruption from the F-35 program has already returned to Russia

[Foofighter]

Anti-ship missiles have long been launched from bomb bays. Why only one minus? More "experts" from Spacex, Boeing, IMI or Lockheed have not passed by?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Wiruz

I alone did not see RVV-SD anywhere?

Surely he was driven with different layouts in different configurations and not everything fell into the picture.

[Nick]

Quote: Wiruz

Aircraft T-50-2 (tail number "052") with suspended models of missiles RVV-SD and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 05.04.2016

I alone did not see RVV-SD anywhere?

Stealth technology however ... Probably inside the case.

[yehat]

maybe rockets also have their own stealth technology?
invisible, flying without a smoky trail and noise, with inconspicuous hits ...

[patsak]

I propose to carefully study the photo on the background of the An-26. Inner suspension.

[adept666]

I propose to carefully study the photo on the background of the An-26. Inner suspension.

Big-eyed))) Definitely not a spy? For attentiveness + from me.

[Munchhausen]

Quote: patsak

I propose to carefully study the photo on the background of the An-26. Inner suspension.

You wanted to say against the background of the An-32.

[Slavianin_37]

Well, unless you pay attention to the words that the rockets were not suspended at all, but the layouts, then there weren’t any missiles there, then yes, you can wipe your eyes.

[supertiger21]

I am very glad of this news, but now we do not see the entire horde of critics of the F-35, who so desperately declared that carrying weapons on an external sling increases the EPR, the Penguin is not a 5th generation fighter, stealth is fading away, and so on ... I am aware that in addition to external compartments, both the PAK FA and the F-35 also have internal ones.

[Wiruz]

carrying weapons on an external sling increases the RCS, "Penguin" is not a 5th generation fighter, stealth fades away, etc.

We must respond to such criticism with an old joke:
"They say, if the Russians transport missiles in open wagons, then what do they have in closed ones ??? "

[jjj]

That's all I think, but is it impossible to make the rocket itself in shape so that it is hardly noticeable on the external sling? The plane itself is much larger in physical dimensions, and is considered "invisible". The rocket is small and can be spotted immediately. The solution suggests itself

[Wiruz]

That’s all thinking, but is it impossible to make the rocket itself in shape so that it is not noticeable on the external sling.

It is not only a matter of stealth. The placement of weapons (and not only) on external pylons adversely affects the aerodynamics of the aircraft. Have you ever wondered why the mock-ups of missiles are suspended on our planes performing at an air show (at the same MAKS)? Once again prove that we we can and cobra, and the bell, and somersault, and much more to be done with rockets under the wing!

[Mainbeam]

Yes, it was exactly so

[Trigger-Happy]

It is more correct to compare it with the F-22, and not with the F-35. And since 2003, it has been mass-produced. While there is nothing to rejoice about, but you have to work, work and work ........

[alex_tec]

The correction ... was made.

[Stas157]

Quote: supertiger21

I am very pleased with this news, but now I can’t see the whole horde of critics of the F-35, who so desperately stated that carrying weapons on the external suspension increases the EPR

You react desperately, suddenly remembering about the F-35 in the news about the PAK-FA! It is doubtful whether you are somehow happy for the PAK-FA, in fact, trying to level it with the F-35 in terms of capabilities. But the F35, nevertheless, without a suspended weapon, is practically "naked" in comparison with the PAK-FA! And yet, yes, "carrying a weapon on an external sling increases the EPR" many times over! Plus increases air resistance, and as a result, speed characteristics. And of course, the possibility of carrying weapons on an external sling for the PAK-FA will also not be superfluous!

[Foofighter]

PR specialists F-35 they are so ...

it’s not a fighter at all.

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

PR specialists F-35 they are so ...

it’s not a fighter at all.

Just do not lie first of all to yourself.
If their plane and our plane have the same thing, then in every post about their plane it is not necessary to fill in with a cut and does not fly. but about our sing praises.
when you see this you immediately remember Murzilok.

[Foofighter]

Not the same thing, and your colleague came here is not why.

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

Not the same thing, and your colleague came here is not why.

If you consider me the PR manager of F-35, then I could bite your face off! :)

I am for honesty and without slop ...
Diminishing the role of another’s weapon and over-praising one’s own is worthy of receiving a candelabrum or at least from the foot. and then tinker.
My great-grandfathers did not return from the war.
Grandfathers really returned.
And of the 10 children only two survived the war.

So those of the Shkapozakidans. leading to the loss of 1941 of the year, it is necessary to boldly into a bump. yes with the whole family on 7 knee ...
Clearly speaking? the idea is clear?

[Foofighter]

There is nowhere to belittle, below it only the F-117, which was completely abandoned. Better bite off something else for those who in the SGA in 90 threw off all Soviet technologies.

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

There is nowhere to belittle, below it only the F-117, which was completely abandoned. Better bite off something else for those who in the SGA in 90 threw off all Soviet technologies.

You just do not understand all of its electronic filling and its capabilities ...

Look only at the important, but alas, secondary indicators of speed, maneuverability, maximum weight of suspensions, appearance and so on.

And alas, they are secondary now. Be aware of this.
Means of passive detection, means of active but secretive detection.
Moreover, all-round visibility and a range of hundreds of kilometers.

Network-centricity, a single information battlefield with all kinds of forces - this is most people do not understand.
Accustomed to another.
And this is the future.

[Foofighter]

It is much more important for an airplane how it flies, and how noticeable it is, especially if some kind of network-centricity is supposed.
Well, would you put the same electronic stuffing on the F-117?

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

It is much more important for an airplane how it flies, and how noticeable it is, especially if some kind of network-centricity is supposed.
Well, would you put the same electronic stuffing on the F-117?

Let's not concentrate on the F-117.
For some reason it seems to me that the F-35 should fly at the level of the same F-16 and F-18 (not super).
Of course, this is not enough for a dog dump, but they changed the concept.
If you look at both prototypes (32 and 35) of Penguins, it is initially clear that the task of high maneuverability was not posed in principle.
With stealth, everything is fine with him.

The emphasis was made on the platform.

Well, the Americans felt that having:
a) low visibility (detection range compared to F = 18) is 3 times less. From 150km to 50km.
b) an active search for targets and aiming weapons using either a completely passive system (37 complex) or a special AFAR mode that is low-power, noise-like and difficult to select with puffed radiation detectors. at ranges up to 200 km.
c) AMRAAM class missiles of the latest modification, which do not care about all your electronic warfare, and which have just two-way communication on the same noise-like signal.
d) a single information field that allows for the exchange of information with virtually any device of any purpose, from special forces with Abrams, aircraft and drones, up to Aegis, Patriot and Avax-Sentry with a system that is also interconnected.
And not just an exchange of info, but also launch missiles according to this information field. It becomes his own for them.

And the same F-35, essentially flying over Florida, can completely have the whole picture of what is happening over Alaska.

And they considered that a handful of such aircraft, much more promising including in battle, than a handful of super-fast, super-maneuverable aircraft.
Detection of the Su-35 in passive mode 150km - immediately rocketed. A couple. And went home.
Finding F-35 at 100km - and it's too late. Rockets are already flying at you, if they haven’t arrived.

The concept is such that the Americans decided to make Shiva not only 18-handed, but to make an army of interconnected Shiv.

This is what the F-35 concept is.
We do not yet have an understanding of this, because all this came from IBM, cluster and distributed computing, BigDat, "Cloud" and other similar technologies for transnational companies - which simply did not exist in the Soviet Union.
Plus toys.
Those same computer toys in god mode.
All-seeing and all-managing.
Network-centricity has grown from there.

And we passed it, simply because it passed us.
Therefore, we cannot create anything like this.
We do not have a unified battlefield information system for all participating combat arms.
It must be invented, comprehended, translated into algorithms and business processes.
and then implement.
Believe me, over the years through 10-12 we will make a complete analogue of F-35.
It won't work out before.
which will fly a little, but think and shoot well!

Yes, I agree that the F-35 concept is akin to a hare.
And the Su-35C is a powerful lion in comparison with it.

But let me remind you.
Quote: "And the essence of this fable is that a flock of hares piz..it a lion."

[Foofighter]

Let's not ... Well, put the same rockets and breos on the Wright brothers' planes, just remember to turn on this very mode.
In the missile defense system of Moscow and the Central Region, Elbrus stands, the Americans do not. Country defense assumes network-centricity in itself.

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

Let's not ... Well, put the same rockets and breos on the Wright brothers' planes, just remember to turn on this very mode.
In the missile defense system of Moscow and the Central Region, Elbrus stands, the Americans do not. Country defense assumes network-centricity in itself.

Do you even understand what you're talking about?

Combat computing systems, data centers, US clusters are orders of magnitude higher than ours - if only because their technological level is at least 10 years ahead of ours ...
If you don’t know this, it’s time to find out already ...

The same Elbrus-4С, which recently just went into the series, is still comparable in performance with the 5-8 protons of a long time ago, when compared with the server models on which the clusters are built.
8С - theory. could release him in a year.

But the release is not "already there". It comes to 3-4 years for a finished product in the form of an already working machine on alert.
So disparate things.

[Foofighter]

Isn’t it visible? Then why does the United States have no such missile defense capabilities and Intel bought and is buying technology from Elbrus?

[Foofighter]

Isn’t it visible? Then why does the United States have no such missile defense capabilities and Intel bought and is buying technology from Elbrus?

[mav1971]

Quote: FooFighter

Isn’t it visible? Then why does the United States have no such missile defense capabilities and Intel bought and is buying technology from Elbrus?

What technology does Intel buy from Elbrus?
What parallel universe do you live in?

Those. are you completely unfamiliar that in the USA there is a NORAD system associated with a bunch of data centers?
What IBM, HP fight to the death to put superclusters on the latest elements, the latest structures in the NORAD system?

Elbrus - a technology close to the first implementations of Itanium - the times of the end of zero ...

[Foofighter]

CPU, what else?

NORAD is not a PRO. Yes, let them fight if they share the clearing.

Close because the technology of Elbrus is bought by Intel.

[Gray brother]

Quote: supertiger21

carrying weapons on the external sling increases the EPR,

Actually, it is.

stealth goes to naught

This is generally a controversial concept. In general, it will be interesting if two unobtrusive planes meet in battle - because it will be a melee. Is not it?
And the one who is better suited to it will have more chances.
In this section, even the "4th generation" aircraft do not look as pale as the F-22/35 with their poor characteristics, the greater visibility can be compensated for by means of electronic warfare and the enemy will observe continuous illumination instead of the target. And again there will be close combat.
In addition, when using your own radar in active mode, "stealth" ceases to be "stealth" because it is like walking through the forest with a flashlight at night.

[mav1971]

Quote: Gray Brother

This is generally a controversial concept. In general, it will be interesting if two unobtrusive planes meet in battle - because it will be a melee. Is not it?

Here comes to the fore the detection system on passive elements.
IR, Optics, passive radio.

Modern IR systems, which are working very long with adversaries. So close combat may not work.

Alas, we do not have such a long-range detection system yet.

Quote: Gray Brother

And the one who is better suited to it will have more chances.
In this section, even the "4th generation" aircraft do not look as pale as the F-22/35 with their poor characteristics, the greater visibility can be compensated for by means of electronic warfare and the enemy will observe continuous illumination instead of the target. And again there will be close combat.

The F-22 has excellent features.
EW tools are the same signal source for AMRAAM guidance as a normal reflected signal.
And this rocket can combine in its GOS, as active. and passive modes. That would just level all the distortions introduced by electronic warfare.

Quote: Gray Brother

In addition, when using your own radar in active mode, "stealth" ceases to be "stealth" because it is like walking through the forest with a flashlight at night.

Read more about adversary detection systems.
The overwhelming operation scheme is in passive mode.
And the ranges are huge.

More real forums. at the airbase. here it is also possible, you just have to scroll through a few thousand fasting posts through yourself to find real grains.

[Foofighter]

Quote: mav1971

EW tools - the same signal source for guidance

why do they even need the Americans then?

[Forest]

The T-50 and F-22 have large internal weapon compartments; for air combat or an air defense breakthrough, enough weapons can be placed inside (8-10 and 8 attachment points). F-35 has much more modest compartments (4 node), which is clearly not enough.

[Altona]

Quote: supertiger21

I am very glad of this news, but now we cannot see the entire horde of critics of the F-35, who so desperately declared that carrying weapons on an external sling increases the EPR, the Penguin is not a 5th generation fighter, stealth is fading away, etc.

---------------------------
Carrying a weapon on an external sling increases the RCS and degrades everything else. This is not the question. The F-35 is supposedly a "strike aircraft" of the stealth type. The T-50 is also an air superiority aircraft. Feel the difference as they say. And for this he needs a large ammunition load to be enough to complete all tasks. As for stealth, not stealth, it is difficult for an aircraft to work without target designation from the ground. I do not know of any Air Force that does not use AWACS or ground-based radars. It's just that the radar needs to scan the area with different frequencies in order to track down potential targets.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Altona

It's just that the radar needs to scan the area with different frequencies in order to track down potential targets.

As a pilot, a superior officer cannot give the radar a command. To do this, you need to create such a radar. And then to command.

[GSH-18]

Tests of the PAK FA with suspended missile weapons

This is just a suspension test flight. Real missiles for PAK FA have a SQUARE section, for example x-59mk2. That is why he does not have hatches for missile weapons. Such a technical solution to reduce radio stealth.
The plane is very beautiful Powerful!

[GSH-18]

Quote: GSH-18

That is why he does not have hatches for missile weapons.

He wrote a little incorrectly, there are still hatches, but to increase the armament (you can’t put much in the hatches) for the external (which is much larger than the internal) radio-inconspicuous suspension, the T-50 will be armed with specially designed radio-obscure missiles for the external suspension of square section. For example, the X-58USHKE anti-radar missile.

[Wiruz]

Handsome, but I’d like to see missile launches from the internal compartments. Okay, everything is clear with the X-31 - it won’t stupidly fit into the fuselage, but why does the RVV-MD hang from the outside?

[vkl.47]

these are mock-ups. these are all aerodynamics tests. who are you to start showing real? here I tested suspended topics. This doesn’t mean that everything will be so. Maybe the plane will carry only two internal rockets. And it’s like an “amega” variant on every fireman

[sanchezzz]

The launch from the inner compartment is shown in the video "flying in a whirlwind" from the RT.

[GSH-18]

Quote: sanchezzz

"flying in a whirlwind"

And do not share the link? I'd like to take a look.

[Leto]

Quote: Wiruz

only now I would like to see missile launches from the internal compartments.

We will not see it soon. This is only a test of the cart, then there will be a dump and only after that starts.

[user1212]

Quote: Wiruz

Handsome, but I’d like to see missile launches from internal compartments

They didn’t upload the video, but the news was passing. If you believe the former Air Force commander Mikhailov, the first launch from the compartment was made at the end of March this year
Interview on Vesti FM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3AdDP4H2bg

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wiruz

Handsome, but I’d like to see missile launches from the internal compartments. Okay, everything is clear with the X-31 - it won’t stupidly fit into the fuselage, but why does the RVV-MD hang from the outside?

Here, see http://topwar.ru/84286-novye-rakety-dlya-pak-fa.html

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Wiruz

I would like to see missile launches from the internal compartments

You are welcome. At 2:56. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCEcOOHAruo

[Blondy]

Quote: Canecat

Handsome))

Beauty is a terrible force (F. Ranevskaya).

[Sid.74]

But what about successes with Americans? Or is there a MO order for new F-35 speaks for itself ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: Sid.74

But what about successes with Americans? Or is there a MO order for new F-35 speaks for itself ...

Well, so far, 3 versions of this pepelats are harped. The most successful while deck. Perhaps due to the fact that the original drawings were overbought from the Yak-141? ...
The T-50 surpasses it in all respects, possibly in terms of EPR, too.

[Vadim237]

174 aircraft were built and they are flying - "Currently, the participants in the F-35 program are Australia, Italy, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as three third-party clients - Japan, Israel and South Korea. a total of 3170 aircraft of all three versions. To date, Prat-Whittney has delivered 266 engines. "

[viktorR]

Yeah, and all 174 cars will be redone and completed, it is not known how many times (if they don’t close the program at all) and all 174 cars are NOT ACCEPTED (and possibly (!) Will be accepted in 2019) and all 174 cars are LIMITED READY.

[Vadim237]

All these problems are resolvable over time, and the program will not be closed for sure, since the infrastructure for these aircraft is already being created.

[ty60]

Junkers 88 Pieces. Applied to date. By speed, ammunition, etc.

[mav1971]

Quote: Sid.74

But what about successes with Americans? Or is there a MO order for new F-35 speaks for itself ...

And where do the legs of this bike come from?
Something I did not see any news of this ...

[grandson of the hero]

In profile he looks like a well-equipped special forces officer: calmness, consistency in everything, confidence and "politeness".
Good luck!

[Basarev]

Hm. And what's the point of stealth if rockets are carried on an external sling? And the overweight midship does not add super-maneuverability ... I would be a supporter of an aircraft with ammunition exclusively in the internal compartments.

[crambol]

Quote: Canecat

Handsome))

Not that word! I look and frost on my skin!

[Flinky]

Handsome, not like the unfinished F-35.

[Wiruz]

And I do not agree with you, the F-35 is quite attractive to itself

[Dim Dimych]

One of the generals of the Pentagon (you can find information on the net) recognized the aerodynamic shape of the T50 as ideal. It is clear that both F22 and F35 look more "pot-bellied" in contrast to our "fit" body, but apparently, our designers were initially looking for a middle ground in terms of the main indicators that the 5th generation should have, but the overseas seemed to think more about , to hammer deadly cargo into the belly of your "stepson" as much as possible. Therefore, beauty in this case is a relative concept ...

[viktorR]

Oh, well, the "pot-bellied" F-22 fits less than the "fit" fifty dollars.

[Awaz]

I'm not special on airplanes, but I also noticed that the T-50 is leaner and leaner))), unlike both American models. As I understand it, all this is caused by simpler systems on board. The Americans, following the path of complication, stupidly pumped gliders with a bunch of unnecessary and excessive equipment in order to please all suppliers and earn dough. Definitely their planes are simply attempts to make good money. If a real plane were needed to carry out real tasks against a real enemy, it would be unlikely that anyone would create hundreds of experimental vehicles and then bring them to the necessary condition for a long time.
Any engineer knows that not all ideas can be brought to practical use. The Americans had a lot of deadlock projects before, and now everything is not going smoothly.
We, by the way, are not doing well either. I would like the T50 to turn into a real breakthrough project, just like Armata. But I honestly do not believe in the tank. The concept is good, but if it comes to practical use, in any other way.
If in the Russian Federation they go along the American path, then nothing good will come of it.

[ty60]

Here is the Jewish way! See concept

[GSH-18]

Quote: Flinky

Handsome, not like the unfinished F-35.

This is for now. Americanoses will certainly bring it to condition. There is no doubt.

Quote: Wiruz

And I do not agree with you, the F-35 is quite pretty winked

The 5th generation has similar features and contours of the fuselage.
But, as they say, the taste and color ...

[supertiger21]

Contrary to popular belief, the F-35 is doing better than the PAK FA. At least it has already been adopted for service. But so far only the F-35B modification is operated by the US ILC.

[Wiruz]

The F-35 has not yet entered service. Although this does not prevent not only massively supplying it to the troops, but also producing it outside the territory of the United States. I may be wrong, but in my opinion, in Italy, that year, they celebrated the assembly of the first "penguin" on their own.

[Leto]

Quote: Wiruz

I may be wrong, but in my opinion in Italy, that year, they celebrated the assembly of the first "penguin" on their own

In Japan, this year they promised the first release.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Wiruz

The F-35 has not yet entered service. Although this does not prevent not only massively supplying it to the troops, but also producing it outside the territory of the United States. I may be wrong, but in my opinion, in Italy, that year, they celebrated the assembly of the first "penguin" on their own.

Not quite right! After all, the F-35 is not one type of aircraft, but as many as three in versions A, B, C, each of which is designed for different tasks. And modification B has already been adopted. A and C on the way ...

[viktorR]

No, not accepted.

[clidon]

Adopted last year.

[Foofighter]

Where are they now? Do they carry their hard service on ships?

[clidon]

I don’t know specifically now. In August 2015, they flew from the deck, in March 2016 they worked out the KC-130J refueling.
What does this have to do with adoption?

[Foofighter]

Large, they rarely fly from large airfields in F-35A mode

With "large hangars" of course

[Wiruz]

And modification B has already been adopted

Link to the studio!

[clidon]

It is not difficult:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/457634

[Foofighter]

The same "scale" is being built in small Britain:
http://topwar.ru/93761-dlya-f-35-v-britanii-postroyat-masshtabnye-angary.html

[magician]

beautiful plane! if only civilian vehicles would do the same.

[inpu]

Quote: wizard

beautiful plane! if only civilian vehicles would do the same.

We almost always have a gap between a citizen and a military commissar. :( There are easier ways to make more money.

[Wiruz]

I am personally concerned about the absence of the RVV-BD rocket on the pylons. How is she there at all? Exist?

[Leto]

Quote: Wiruz

I am personally concerned about the absence of the RVV-BD rocket on the pylons. How is she there at all? Exist?

Meaning? They test the carriage of missiles of different masses for all pylons, it is a pity there are no photos from the PTB, they should be tested for any.

[shinobi]

Well, it came down to missiles. That means combat firing is not far away. And there is a state commission for acceptance. Everything is going according to plan, as it should be. Even liberals are not heard, with their choral singing about backwardness of the military-industrial complex.

[Leto]

Quote: shinobi

Well, it came down to missiles. That means combat shooting is not far off.

How to say. You need to experience external load, internal, opening compartments with internal load, then dumping from external, from internal, and only after that live firing. Here a year can not do.

[Muvka]

Quote: Leto

Quote: shinobi

Well, it came down to missiles. That means combat shooting is not far off.

How to say. You need to experience external load, internal, opening compartments with internal load, then dumping from external, from internal, and only after that live firing. Here a year can not do.

Not the fact that these pictures are fresh. Just at the end of last year, it seems, they wrote that the final stage of testing had begun.

[Leto]

Quote: Muvka

Not the fact that these pictures are fresh.

Well, it was signed there, February 2016.

[Muvka]

Quote: Leto

Quote: Muvka

Not the fact that these pictures are fresh.

Well, it was signed there, February 2016.

And I can sign 2017. Believe it? This is a secret car, anyway. And no one will give us reliable information about it, much less about the trials. This is my personal opinion.

[TSOOBER]

There, the path is still not close to the final stage:
T-50-6-2 - engine development began, April 10-12 - frequency tests with the new version of the KSU, the first flight on the schedule - 23.04.
T-50-8 - RPP is being applied, completion on schedule - 28.04/XNUMX.
T-50-9 - covering with composite panels of the SChF, docking of the OChK until 20.04.
T-50-10 - fuselage docking completed.
T-50-11 - the center section is docked.
A decision was made about the "serial face" of the T-50 - a complex of onboard equipment like the T-50-9, the airframe like the T-50-11.

[clidon]

In 2017 already in service!

[Alex von Dorn]

The external suspension seems to be no longer relevant. Although for certain purposes it may come down. Good luck with flying around!

[supertiger21]

Well, PAK FA has an internal one, which allows not to increase the EPR in front of the enemy radar. And the external will be used when the enemy has weak systems for detecting and destroying air targets.

[mav1971]

Quote: supertiger21

Well, PAK FA has an internal one, which allows not to increase the EPR in front of the enemy radar.

There is not yet another, but very important thing for the 5 generation.
Under the name "gilded lantern".
7 years ago, the info went about that they are working on it and will do it soon.
But they didn’t do nichrome again.

The Chinese, Mlyn. have already done. but ours didn’t.

[Foofighter]

Look at the spacesuits of the first Soviet cosmonauts ...

[mav1971]

And where are the spacesuits?
Show me the real photo of the T-50 coated lamp ...

[Foofighter]

look for a real photo of spacesuits with a gold visor for a start

[Pvi1206]

spotter photos

What it is? Is it possible to write in Russian?
Or the author himself does not understand what he writes ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: Pvi1206

spotter photos

What it is? Is it possible to write in Russian?
Or the author himself does not understand what he writes ...

This means that the pictures were taken by a photographer specializing in photographing aircraft.

[Dwarfik]

How beautiful and harmonious he is! Great device!

[avg-mgn]

the next stage of testing is underway, checking the aerodynamics and stability of an airplane with suspensions. They will correct the identified deficiencies to the next stage.

[Alexey-74]

Rather, the troops, air supremacy ensured: Su-35, MiG-35, well, of course T-50

[GSH-18]

Quote: Alexey-74

Rather, the troops, air supremacy ensured: Su-35, MiG-35, well, of course T-50

Mig-35 for the Russian Air Force-spraying funds (Dryers surpass it in all respects, are already in the army and are run-in in a combat situation). Better to build a dozen T-50s.
Mig-35 was late by 20 years. But it will go for export for small countries on the territory!

[Stas157]

Quote: GSH-18

instant-35 spraying of funds (Dryers surpass it in all respects, are already in the army and run-in in a combat situation). Better to build a dozen T-50s.
Mig-35 was 20 years late.

MiG-35 with AFAR will not be worse than Su-35, but in close combat, and better. Releasing the MiG-29KUB, there will really be a spray of funds if we do not produce the MiG-35, since the differences in them are not large.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Stas157

MiG-35 with AFAR will not be worse than Su-35, but in close combat, and better.

Why do you have such confidence ??? There is no maneuverability of the Su-35 in the world of combat aircraft. And in terms of armament, rate of climb, speed and range, the Su-35 is significantly superior to the MiG-35, which is still in the form of a flying laboratory, and not a combat aircraft of the Russian Air Force. And the latest Dryers have already shown themselves in real combat situations. Well, what will the RF Ministry of Defense choose for a good mass application?
The question is rhetorical. Yes, I do not exclude that 10-20 pieces will be bought to support the design bureau. But even now, 60% of combat aircraft in our country are Su aircraft. and the remaining 40% is everything else, including the moment. Here is a layout. It is precisely by technical advancement that Sukhoi is entrusted with the production of a 5th generation aircraft, and not with anyone else.

[Stas157]

Quote: GSH-18

Why do you have such confidence ??? There is no maneuverability of the Su-35 in the world of combat aircraft. And in terms of armament, rate of climb, speed and range, the Su-35 significantly exceeds the Mig-35

A light aircraft is better suited for close combat. The Mig-35 also has a deviating thrust vector, and compare the climb rate of the Su-35, 280 m / s, and the Mig-35, 330 m / s! Well, the range of a light aircraft should not be compared with a heavy one, of course, the Su-35 has no equal. But, the price of a flight hour will not be in favor of the Su-35.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Stas157

MiG-35 with AFAR will be no worse than Su-35

Thus, the Su-35 "Irbis" radar system, therefore, has significantly higher characteristics: an expanded (more than double) operating frequency band, an area of ​​detection and tracking of air targets in azimuth increased from 70 to 120 °, a significantly increased range, improved noise immunity, and so on .d. According to these indicators, Irbis is at the level of the most advanced foreign developments in this area, surpassing most American and West European radars with passive and active headlamps and practically not inferior to the most advanced system of this class - the AN / APG-77 radar of the American F-22 fighter. A.F.

http://www.telenir.net/transport_i_aviacija/vzlyot_2006_04/p23.php

Why do we need a blacksmith? We do not need a blacksmith!
"Sukhoi" is the leading Russian design bureau for fighter aviation.

[volodya]

Loved it! How will the tests go?

[Ros 56]

And they kind of said that there would be nothing on external suspensions, everything would be hidden in niches.

[yehat]

external pendants on any relevant
as mentioned above, at least attach the PTB
it’s another matter that it’s far from always necessary to load them on real sorties.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ros 56

And they kind of said that there would be nothing on external suspensions, everything would be hidden in niches.

All those useful things that you want to take with you do not fit into the compartments. Umerikans have the same trouble.

[kit-kat]

I do not understand. PAK FA - 5th generation or not? Why weapons on an external sling?

[Leto]

Quote: kit-kat

I do not understand. PAK FA - 5th generation or not? Why weapons on an external sling?

Because there can be circumstances when the low-voltage circuit is unnecessary, while the maximum TSA load is vice versa ...

[kit-kat]

I thought about that too. I hope that this is really just an expansion of the armament range, and not a regular regime.

[Ugrumiy]

This is not an expansion of the range of weapons, just at the beginning of the test with missile weapons the internal suspension and missiles for it were not completed, so the planes flew with the fact that there are more or less suitable missiles placed on a temporary external suspension. In reality, the design of the aircraft did not provide for external pylons of the suspension.

[clidon]

do not invent, provided what was spoken about at once. Like the American F-22 and F-35.

[Foofighter]

F-22 only provided for the PTB to increase the ferry range or base away from targets.

[Gray brother]

Quote: kit-kat

5th generation or not?

Really.

[Foofighter]

really not

[Foofighter]

really not

[Taygerus]

beautiful airplane, good luck on all the remaining tests and the service of Russia, I take off my hat to the developers, real heroes

[DIMbor]

Judging by the photographs, the rocket’s internal compartment will not war much.

[user1212]

for air combat, in the weapon compartments: 1620 kg (8 × RVV-SD + 2 × RVV-MD)
against ground targets, in weapon compartments: 4220 kg (8 × KAB-500 + 2 × RVV-MD)
It is WITHOUT using external suspension

[Zomanus]

Damn, in the photo how the toy looks.
And put a person next to you for scale ...
Well, in general, working out the working moments.

[complete zero]

Quote: Wiruz

Aircraft T-50-2 (tail number "052") with suspended models of missiles RVV-SD and RVV-MD. Zhukovsky, 05.04.2016

I alone did not see RVV-SD anywhere?

Yes, it seems only P73 (on the outer pylon) on the inside I don’t know what kind of armament .. and the medium range is really not visible

[Psaking systems]

Who can explain why, we are Russians, we paint noses for our fighters and bombers with white paint?
Is it considered beautiful?

Isn’t that better?

[sodick]

Apparently other colors can not be applied yet :) And so, this is special. non-obstructing paint

[yehat]

and what kind of pictures?
as I understand it, the Indians fly on the T-50?
What is known about this side of cooperation with India?

[Psaking systems]

This is Photoshop. Introducing Indians to their FGFA.

[kit-kat]

"Noses" are painted with radio-transparent paint, which is quite expensive. Perhaps because of the economy, they paint in one color. Usually gray. Because gray will suit almost any camouflage.

[yehat]

and do civilian airplanes make the white face also radio-transparent paint?
you are not saying something ...

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: yehat

and do civilian airplanes make the white face also radio-transparent paint?
you are not saying something ...

since when is civilian radar required anything other than flight safety?
accordingly, the requirements are many times lower, and the paint almost does not care what, anyway, the remaining capabilities of the radar are enough for the eyes

[Evgeny RS]

Doesn't a suspended weapon unmask PAK FA? The weapon must be inside.

Looked at the answers above.

I remember that they promised that these planes will begin to enter the troops in 2016.

[kov123]

If invisibility is needed to complete the task, rockets are inside. If stealth doesn’t matter, then they hung everything that is possible and flew to water the adversary. Why limit the capabilities of the aircraft. He must be able to carry out various combat missions. So they are experiencing ...

[kvv157]

And I generally noticed that if the plane is beautiful then it also flies. It has always been so, since the days of the USSR

[Kibl]

All this is good, but somehow the whole process is moving slowly. That’s how the fast and the furious would be cut to speed up !!! A beautiful swallow !!!

[Verdun]

But to this day there are no "fifth generation" engines for it.

[yehat]

product 30 is already in the metal, undergoes bench tests in the fall
showed at some air show.

[Verdun]

You answered yourself. It has been tested since the fall. And how long has the airplane itself been tested? The time gap is very significant. A considerable amount of time often elapses between the start of testing and the launch of the series. And the prototype is not serial. And at the air shows that just do not show. Much of what is shown remains exhibits.

[Muvka]

And what does AL-41F1S not suit you? On the Su-35, it completely provides a non-boosting speed of 1,1 M. And the T-50 seems to be easier than the Su-35 ...

[Verdun]

Lighter aircraft often have lower aerodynamic quality. This time. To ensure a speed of 1,1 M and maintain it for a long time - things are different. These are two. Since it is understood that supersonic speed must be maintained for a long time on aircraft of the notorious fifth generation, it is necessary that the engine be economical in operating conditions. These are three. Yes, and not enough 1,1 M, with modern realities ...

[Muvka]

Quote: Verdun

Lighter aircraft often have lower aerodynamic quality. This time. To ensure a speed of 1,1 M and maintain it for a long time - things are different. These are two. Since it is understood that supersonic speed must be maintained for a long time on aircraft of the notorious fifth generation, it is necessary that the engine be economical in operating conditions. These are three. Yes, and not enough 1,1 M, with modern realities ...

For a short time, this is just the afterburner called. And here it is without afterburner. And the requirement for the 5th generation speed is more than 1 M. Here it is. And afterburner, he is faster and F-35 and F-22. Why do not such speeds suit you? By the way, according to the wiki, the T-50 is 35 kg lighter than the Su-500. If this is a lot for you, then I don’t know.

[Verdun]

To consider that in such matters Wikipedia is an authoritative source, your right. And about the afterburner or not ... If you drive a car, you must understand. Fast and the Furious is the tachometer needle in the red zone. Rapid reduction of engine life, if not its destruction. But even in the case when the arrow did not enter the red zone and was somewhere nearby, the fuel tank is rapidly empty and the engine feels not in the best way. At the end of World War II, the Germans created a version of the Bf-109 K (Elector). He also flew faster than 700 km / h without afterburner. But the engine resource was only enough for one flight, 45 minutes. For the T-50, a new generation motor is needed like air!

[yehat]

AL-41F, alas, although a well-developed technique, but according to its capabilities, it’s a cut below the product 30.
without a new engine, the t50 will be inferior to instant-25, instant-31 in some aspects of interception.
and there will be too little chance of gaining superiority against F22, f35, etc.
And without these claims, it makes no sense to create a 5th generation fighter, which makes it easier to stamp 4 ++ drying. As for the power ratio, the T50 is worse in aerodynamics due to stealth requirements and it needs an engine with a higher specific power

[Ugrumiy]

Only now they didn’t show him on the plane and he has not yet flown into the air and will not rise soon.

[soratnik]

That you took part in the tests Therefore, you are so sure that these are new engines and not invented in the 70s, and beautifully shown "at some kind of air show"

[yehat]

I have this question: I don’t understand at all HOW can the 50 shoot long-range missiles if it is very unlikely that it has contact at such a range?
missiles of the KS-172 or P37 type are understandable: they simply fly into a given square and are guided by themselves,
but how is guiding missiles like RVV-AE-PD at 100 range?
Does the airborne radar provide guidance data?
and it’s not yet clear what the average range is?
the sidewinder used to fly on 30-40 km and it was an average range
Now RVV-AE-PD can fly to 120-180 and is also called medium

[Verdun]

An example of the use of missiles with a greater range than the radius of the airborne radar is the attack of the Argentine "Superettandars" during the Falklands War. The target is illuminated by a third-party guidance radar. Ground or air - it doesn't really matter. The target is captured by the missile guidance head and launched. But what concerns the T-50, this secret is sealed with seven seals. After all, so far, even approximately the capabilities of its guidance systems are unknown. There is such a word - secrecy. I hope that it will be so for a long time.

[soratnik]

Or maybe this is not secrecy, but the spreading noodles on the ears of Russians. It is necessary to report where the money went. It is very convenient to frown and make an inaccessible secret look. And maybe it will not be so long - until the money is washed.

[mav1971]

Quote: yehat

I have this question: I don’t understand at all HOW can the 50 shoot long-range missiles if it is very unlikely that it has contact at such a range?
missiles of the KS-172 or P37 type are understandable: they simply fly into a given square and are guided by themselves,
but how is guiding missiles like RVV-AE-PD at 100 range?
Does the airborne radar provide guidance data?
and it’s not yet clear what the average range is?
the sidewinder used to fly on 30-40 km and it was an average range
Now RVV-AE-PD can fly to 120-180 and is also called medium

Contact may be passive.
If PAK-FA has something similar to Amer’s, then on 150-200 km they will be able to detect targets and launch missiles.

RVV-AE-PD - exist? Figase ... At least one that is in the form of a rocket, and not a layout?
And then for 17 years they’ve been carrying a model, they won’t bring it ...
And the fact that she can even fly somewhere?
If only in the transporter ... In the form of an advertising stand.

The sidewinder has always been small.
It’s just that over 60 years, from 5 kilometers, he was increased to 25, and AMRAAM from 40 to 180 ...
Everything is relative.

[L10n77]

Quote: yehat

I have this question: I don’t understand at all HOW can the 50 shoot long-range missiles if it is very unlikely that it has contact at such a range?
missiles of the KS-172 or P37 type are understandable: they simply fly into a given square and are guided by themselves,
but how is guiding missiles like RVV-AE-PD at 100 range?
Does the airborne radar provide guidance data?
and it’s not yet clear what the average range is?
the sidewinder used to fly on 30-40 km and it was an average range
Now RVV-AE-PD can fly to 120-180 and is also called medium

our and NATO range classification are very different, what NATO is considered medium range - we have a small, etc.

[dchegrinec]

There is no doubt that after complete debugging it will be just a UFO!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Gray Brother

In addition, when using your own radar in active mode, "stealth" ceases to be "stealth" because it is like walking through the forest with a flashlight at night.

And not even in the forest, but in the steppe!

[VB]

Rather, the troops ...

[kravch67k]

Something I don’t understand, weapons used to appear, used ... and in 10-15 years we recognized the technical characteristics, now we know the technical characteristics, but we don’t see the weapons. Question: WHAT IS THERE IN THE RUSSIAN ARMY ???? What has been done in Russia? And cheers-patriotism has long been tested both in 1903,1913 and in 1941

[Yak28]

I hope the T-50 does not have time to become obsolete by the time it enters mass production

[mav1971]

Quote: Yak28

I hope the T-50 does not have time to become obsolete by the time it enters mass production

No time ..
The same F-35, which is "rinsed here with or without reason, has been prescribed a service life until 2070.
But.

[Gippo]

Someone will say "spotter".
I'll say "spy".
Two months ago, near Chkalovsky, they caught this, also of the "spotter" type.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2731085

[complete zero]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: GSH-18

instant-35 spraying of funds (Dryers surpass it in all respects, are already in the army and run-in in a combat situation). Better to build a dozen T-50s.
Mig-35 was 20 years late.

MiG-35 with AFAR will not be worse than Su-35, but in close combat, and better. Releasing the MiG-29KUB, there will really be a spray of funds if we do not produce the MiG-35, since the differences in them are not large.

But what is the melee panacea?

[akvanavt98]

But in my opinion, everything is correct. If he is big, beautiful, and can only spit - this is one thing. But if you need someone to pile specifically, so why hide. He is a front-line aviation complex.

[soratnik]

And they promised that all the weapons would be hidden inside the aircraft body. Cheated again? Have the engines already been made? And while the engines will make the United States into service, the 6th generation aircraft will be delivered. Again, one blah blah blah. People's money was shoved into kormans and everyone is happy. By the way, in April the Baltuns promised to launch a rocket from the Vostochny cosmodrome. The initial price of the project was about 150 wooden lards. By the end, more than 400 wooden lyads had already been stolen. Give Rogozin to the premiere. Experience in theft has already proven. So to speak, a person from the team.

[Torins]

Quote: Trigger-Happy

It is more correct to compare it with the F-22, and not with the F-35. And since 2003, it has been mass-produced. While there is nothing to rejoice about, but you have to work, work and work ........

There is something to rejoice about, the Americans have nothing better than the F-22 and in the coming years there will be no 20. And our drying, I think it will be generally better than raptor

And they promised that all the weapons would be hidden inside the aircraft body. Cheated again? Have the engines already been made? And while the engines will make the United States into service, the 6th generation aircraft will be delivered. Again, one blah blah blah. People's money was shoved into kormans and everyone is happy. By the way, in April the Baltuns promised to launch a rocket from the Vostochny cosmodrome. The initial price of the project was about 150 wooden lards. By the end, more than 400 wooden lyads had already been stolen. Give Rogozin to the premiere. Experience in theft has already proven. So to speak, a person from the team.

One another is not a hindrance, where the enemy does not have air defense and serious aircraft, it is possible to load both the external suspension of the rocket and the internal simultaneously. So it is necessary to test the aircraft in these modes. It’s obvious, it’s strange that such things need to be explained to people ...

[infarct]

what is it, but probably nothing will intervene inside. it's a pity. we started serial production at the end of 2015 and now 2017, this plane, like the American f35, doesn’t know anything. sorry we were waiting for something from the new ones, but it seems nothing works ...

[infarct]

Su 35 without parachutes slows down and this one like old with parachute brakes. ((