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Where does the Russian world end, or again about the "fraternal" gratitude

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Some time ago, during the new clashes in Karabakh, something happened that was to be expected. First, in blogs, and then more publicly, in newspaper articles, individual Armenian observers began to ask questions: “Where is Russia? Why do we need an ally that does not help? ”Later attacks against our country became even more numerous and harsh, right up to direct Russophobia. At the same time, consciously or not, I avoided the question that, in general, the Russian Federation has no military obligations to the NKR. None Such commitments exist in the framework of the CSTO to the state of Armenia, to which no one has yet attacked. Unfair and insulting accusations give rise to quite fair arguments among Russian citizens about where the Russian world ends, which we are obliged to defend at all costs..


Where does the Russian world end, or again about the "fraternal" gratitude


And the reasoning, by the way, is by no means idle, considering how much depends on correctly placed priorities. The incorrect definition of priorities and their substitution with the affairs of the third and tenth importance have already ruined more than one country, including the USSR. And to set priorities correctly suddenly turns out to be an extremely difficult affair, having an artificially constructed veil of lies in a public space. In his recent article “Configuration of helplessness,” your humble servant pointed out a completely obvious thing: the CSTO alliance created during the time when Yeltsin and Kozyrev had dominated the foreign policy views did not reflect Russia’s national interests in the least. Moreover, he deeply contradicted them. At the same time, a tool such as the CSTO allowed the well-known external forces to moderate northern Eurasia with the hands of appeased Moscow, laying new political mines on top of the old ones around the Russian Federation.

The expressed and repeatedly reasoned idea of ​​abandoning the support of the most irresponsible republics of the former USSR evokes totally inexplicable emotions among our individual citizens. Oh, how does this bad person (the author) propose to give up the support of Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan? They say it is the same as to abandon the Donbass, Crimea, Transnistria, Rostov, Voronezh, Siberia, the Urals and shrink to the limits of the Moscow region. Arguing in a similar way, as a rule, either people with extremely limited intellectual abilities, or banal provokers, and provokers of the most bad sense. Some of them agreed to the fact that they called the part of the Russian world Syrian Latakia and Palmyra. As a rule, these are the same people who two years ago said something like “how our soldiers should die for these miners of Donbass lying on the couch”. Now it turns out that for Syria, which most of our fellow citizens can hardly find on the map, it is possible to die to our soldiers, but for, without exaggeration, the original Russian lands are not. So the porridge comes out of “Crimea is ours,” “Donbass is not Crimea, there are lazy miners there,” and “in Syria (!) We are threatened by a terrible ISIS”. For such individuals, in due time they invented the apt expression “both the leaflet and me”, now, unfortunately, almost forgotten.

In fact, a true patriot should not eat what television and network “experts” offer, but think with his mind, understanding what is good for the Motherland and what is not. I would like to remind you that under Gorbachev, too many loud words were said about patriotism and how we stand guard over Soviet interests and show more to the West. What has been done in reality and how it all ended, I suppose everyone remembers. So do not judge by the words. Judge only by deeds, and by deeds you recognize them.

What is the Russian world, which must be protected at all costs? Exit to the natural borders, necessary both from the standpoint of security and from the point of view of optimal functioning of the state’s economy, is an old dream of so many powers and their rulers. The natural borders for the Russian Empire were approximately reached by the end of the XIX century. In the north-west Petersburg was covered with protrusions of Finland, the Aland Islands and the Baltic; in the west, the borders of the empire rested directly into the possession of European powers; in the south, the Caucasus was a natural obstacle, as well as the deserts of Central Asia; in the east - the mountains and the Pacific Ocean. These borders proved so successful that neither the peaceful loss of Alaska and the Kuril archipelago under Alexander II, nor the loss of South Sakhalin under Nicholas II had any significant effect on the economy or the security of the empire. Russia as a state and civilization could quite comfortably exist without these remote territories.

Today, the Russian Federation is in a much more vulnerable position than the Russian Empire a hundred years ago. The resource base has also catastrophically decreased. For the most part of the indicators, we are no longer a great power, but we don’t even draw on an average country. Based on this, going back to the beginning of the text, it was sheer madness to fight for Armenian, Kyrgyz or Tajik interests in territories to which the Russian Federation does not even have direct access. These nations are gratuitous consumers of Russian resources, including our “security umbrella”. Thanks to him, they exist at all, and were not erased from the face of the earth by hostile neighbors (Armenia) or did not drown in the squabbles of civil wars (Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan) and the influx of Islamists. Russia protects with its soldiers and money the territories that do not belong either to the Russian world or to Greater Russia, and in return receive only black “fraternal” ingratitude. We note that the same Armenians protect, as well as Central Asian nations and Syrians, while in the Donbas Russian and Russian-speaking citizens die almost every day.

In this sense, the CSTO partners would like to wish with great respect to appreciate the attention from the Russian Federation, which they currently use. One day this attention may end.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 11 2016 06: 13
    +67
    Unjust and insulting accusations give rise to quite fair reasoning among Russian citizens on the topic of exactly where the very Russian world ends,


    I think it’s enough to carry chestnuts for those who do not put a penny on the Russian people ..
    some of our allies in quotes think that RUSSIA is obliged to do everything for them
    in exchange for their friendship ...
    even get into a fight with fatal consequences ... but it is not.

    The Russian world ends where lawlessness begins ... where baseness, meanness, deceit, cruelty and other delights of the servants of Satan reign.
    I will never support people who want, with the blood of our people, to achieve some of their base desires.
    As for DONBASS .. as soon as KIEV there again begins genocide against the Russian people of RUSSIA, it will be necessary to stand up for his defense there can be no hesitation.
    At the moment, I see that the danger of a new military adventure of KIEV against the DNI and the LC is growing ... all the signs are there ... wait and see.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 11 2016 06: 52
      +31
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      believe that RUSSIA is obliged

      They should reflect on the topic: what have we done for Russia such that it is obliged to protect us?
      Do not like the CSTO or the EAEU? Let's go to FIG!
      There are enough examples of thoughtless isolation from the Russian Federation, let them stir gyrus ...
      1. PKK
        PKK April 11 2016 07: 16
        +10
        Without an Armenian sacher in any way. It is time to designate the Armenian sacher on an international scale, which would clearly demonstrate betrayal. To the author +.
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      3. Starshina wmf
        Starshina wmf April 11 2016 11: 37
        +5
        We, first of all, need the CSTO and the EAEU, and not them. The Americans and the Chinese will readily clean them. And we will be without such allies. Alone. and how many Russians live there, throw them away as well in Ukraine. See how many bases there are and will be with NATO. If we undertook to carry out alliance agreements with them, then please be kind enough to fulfill them. AND THERE ARE STILL A LITTLE AND GENERAL AT THE BORDER WE WILL. THROUGHOUT CHINA WHY DPRK. And THEY SHOULD SUPPORT THIS IT. And about the article, if the Azerbaijanis attacked Armenia, then we would have to bomb any Azeri, otherwise we would be worthless as allies. The Chinese would spit
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth April 11 2016 12: 20
          +10
          But to solve the problem of the repatriation of Russians from these countries, it is NECESSARY. And it’s better to spend a billion on these needs than the stealing clans of our supposedly allies. And what's the point with the fact that the Americans will tidy up. Let them suffer.
          1. puffnutiy
            puffnutiy April 11 2016 13: 32
            +25
            I do not work for our repatriation program. Many would be glad to leave, but where? Into an open field? Where there are no schools and no medical services? In such conditions, you can only run, saving your life. Now in Russia, to get a passport, like a repatriate, lie down over the bones. It is not necessary to "resolve the issue of repatriation", but to offer a coherent, clear program for those who WANT to return. This program should work without bureaucratic failures and slippage.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas April 11 2016 17: 48
              +1
              Quote: puffnutiy
              Many would be happy to leave, but where?

              The answer is - to Moscow and to St. Petersburg, And to the "outback" - no one wants to, not even the "refugees" from Ukraine. Here is the program and slips.
              1. puffnutiy
                puffnutiy April 11 2016 18: 02
                +2
                I myself am from a big city. Often comes the thought of life in the "outback". Stops two main difficulties: difficulties with secondary education and medicine.
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas April 11 2016 18: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: puffnutiy
                  I myself am from a big city. Often comes the thought of life in the "outback". Stops two main difficulties: difficulties with secondary education and medicine.

                  For those who do not want to go anywhere - all the cities, except for the two voiced - outback, even if there are at least three universities and a medical academy.
                  In Primorye, no one wants, I would go to Vladik or Nakhodka with pleasure. Only late. In the region, some former state farms (not all) live in such a way that, in comparison with the houses of the villagers, the houses of the "summer residents" are tents.
            2. andrewkor
              andrewkor April 11 2016 18: 32
              +11
              At the time of EBNa, I was greatly impeded by the law, which equated Russians from the CIS to foreigners (waiting for citizenship for 5 years). Yes, and GDP said 5-6 years ago: "Whoever wanted to, has already arrived in Russia." Tashkent aircraft plant (10 people) is not a drop, but an atom in the sea! And now there is no strength to move and no one is waiting!
              1. kuz363
                kuz363 April 11 2016 21: 27
                +6
                Recently, for a neighbor, I was looking for a term for obtaining Russian citizenship. He wants to move from Kazakhstan to the Krasnodar Territory in Yeysk. I read the information and was surprised how difficult it is for a pensioner, a native of the RSFSR, to make such a move. This is despite the fact that there is a privilege in relation to those who were not born in the RSFSR. First, obtain a temporary residence permit, then a residence permit, then you can apply for citizenship. In total, the official decision period will be at least 7 months (2 + 2 + 3). Really, of course, more. In this case, the applicant must renounce his former citizenship when applying, not yet having Russian! This is some kind of absurdity. And if he is denied Russian citizenship? Then he will be a stateless person. Why can’t you give up your previous citizenship while receiving a Russian passport at the same time? You hand over your old passport, you get a Russian one. Plus, retirees are removed from their previous pension when issuing a pension in the former country. But with a residence permit, you can apply for retirement. With an incomprehensible result. And after such laws, Russia wants to attract Russians? Stupidity, on the contrary, scares
          2. dorz
            dorz April 11 2016 14: 05
            +2
            For the most part, we are no longer a great power, but not even a middle country.

            Controversial statement. In any case, Russia is the 5-6th economy of the world and owns 20 percent of the Earth’s natural resources, and Russians are among the top ten in terms of literacy.
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 16
              +8
              Quote: dorz
              Controversial statement. In any case, Russia is the 5-6th economy of the world and owns 20 percent of the Earth’s natural resources, and Russians are among the top ten in terms of literacy.


              It’s worthless ... Most of the property in Russia is concentrated in the hands of a small group of parasites.
            2. kuz363
              kuz363 April 11 2016 21: 33
              +1
              Owning natural resources is not a measure of the economy and well-being of a population. Take Switzerland, Japan, Finland, Belgium ... Yes, many countries without natural wealth are an example for Russia.
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        3. What a
          What a April 11 2016 13: 12
          -4
          Armenians as Ukrainians, I forgot how in the summer Maidanili against Russia. Throw Armenians, let them defend themselves.
          1. Camel
            Camel April 11 2016 15: 03
            +6
            Not to "throw", but to clearly explain that it is necessary to answer for the words, and not hide behind an older brother. "Kidalovo" is not typical of our country, it is, rather, to the Ukrainians.
          2. Seal
            Seal April 11 2016 17: 16
            -2
            Well, they did not just maidan, but with a specific purpose - to make money out of us. And then they are offended that their neighbors are buying weapons from us - and we, the Armenians, do not want to give them for nothing. Well, the little guy was greeted - and for some reason our Minister of Transport flew to them and brought them in a beak 200 million dollars specially for the purchase of our weapons.
            Although, they from the States also decently drain money.
            1. Seal
              Seal April 12 2016 01: 44
              +2
              What 6 people did not believe? Or is it all 6 .. well, are these the same?
              There you are. Website of the President of the Republic of Armenia.

              http://www.president.am/ru/press-release/item/2015/06/26/President-Serzh-Sargsya


              n-meeting-with-Minister-of-Trasport-of-Russia /

              President Serzh Sargsyan today (26.06.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX) received a delegation led by Maxim Sokolov, Chairman of the Russian part of the Intergovernmental Commission on Economic Cooperation between the Republic of Armenia and the Russian Federation.
              According to Serzh Sargsyan, today's meeting of the intergovernmental commission was also marked by the signing of an agreement on providing Armenia with a preferential export loan for $ 200 millionThat will significantly expand the range of modern weapons of the arsenal of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia.

              The President noted with satisfaction that during this period a number of issues of fundamental importance were resolved for Armenia, including the issue of pricing for natural gas supplied to Armenia: from January 1, Armenia pays $ 1000 for 165 cubic meters, instead of the previous $ 189 USA.

              In the evening of June 27, the President of Armenia announced a decision to postpone the increase in energy tariffs. Protesters in central Yerevan enthusiastically accepted the president’s decision. Music sounded on Baghramyan Avenue, many demonstrators began to dance, celebrating the victory.

              In simple and understandable language, the President of Armenia waited for M. Sokolov to fly away, then calmly went out to the allegedly protesting people and said that "Everything, thank you all, the crowd can be free, we got everything we wanted." After that, music sounded on Baghramyan Avenue, many demonstrators began to dance, celebrating the victory.
        4. Vadim42
          Vadim42 April 11 2016 16: 19
          +2
          You're right. Article - because the author is not a distant person mixed everything up to the heap. (the loss of Sakhalin is not great) these are the words of a provocateur. Any small, which means a weak country enjoys a strong one. Saudis, Baltic states, Belarusians, etc.
        5. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 11 2016 18: 55
          +1
          Quote: Starshina wmf
          CSTO and the EAEU are needed first of all for us, and not for them. They will be cleaned with pleasure

          And we are nowhere without the CIS ... No.
          So what do they need first? Lacy panties and the EU?
          Let them draw conclusions from world events: Arab and other color revolutions and springs, Maydown, etc.
          And there is no need to allow speculation "both ours and yours", and even give money - this is a harmful political debauchery.
          Stricter need. yes
      4. Androsh
        Androsh April 11 2016 15: 21
        +6
        Now is not the 18-19th century to close borders, to sit and wait when they crawl to ask for help.
        Then there was no aggressive United States, NATO and Greater China, now it is the 21st century and its security must be ensured at long distances, as was done during the USSR, even in Cuba.
        And small republics need to be held for eggs (debts), and not forgive everyone in a row.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder April 11 2016 09: 40
      +21
      I agree with the opinion in the article. I would add this. The territorial claims of the former CIS countries are their own business, and it will be a big mistake if Russia takes sides, simply because these very borders were taken from nowhere. Let's remember what the borders were just a hundred years ago. And such that all these Armenia, Azerbaijan and Central Asian countries were part of the Russian Empire, some voluntarily, some forcibly, and before these entry the borders were completely different from now, which means the dispute is groundless. And when someone who tries to close the border, he simply uses the right of the strong, but as they say there is a six for each company, lacks strength? there is no need to fight, he himself did not overcome? inviting a brother, a friend to answer the offender is not a man's business. In this regard, the division of borders by such small countries reminds me of a picture when children fight without sharing the goodness of their father, for example an apartment :) what to say about Russia he said, it's like choosing the side of one of the sons, and all are the same to the father. As for Armenia, it is right in the article, another country will attack, treacherously invading the Soviet Union in 41, so you can answer with a whole crowd, and you need to decide your borders with your neighbor yourself, preferably not by force, which is equal, but by a compromise ... And to involve Russia as an older brother is, forgive me, an escalation of the conflict, but what if Azerbaijan pulls NATO up, the United States? do the Armenians care about that? Reminds of how in the movie "Troy" Paris was discouraged by another man's wife, in the war that broke out not only his brother Hector died, but also Father Priam, and the whole country was on fire, But Paris himself is safe and sound hugging his Elena. Sly, sly :)
      1. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 17: 36
        +1
        What if Azerbaijan pulls NATO, USA? the Armenians do not care?
        You didn’t mix anything up? Is the Azerbaijani lobby the second most influential in the United States. Is it the members of the Azerbaijani kokus who head the most important congressional committees on foreign policy and international allocations in the US? No !! There is no Azerbaijani lobby there at all. Azerbaijan is trying to somehow oppose the Armenian lobby in the US Congress through friendship with Israel. But to be friends with a country that has even the first most influential lobby in the US Congress and has its own lobby (the second most influential after the Israeli) are still two big differences.
        So, don’t worry about the Armenians. The US will not give them an insult. Now this comrade, the mouthpiece of the State Department, who instead of Psaki, spoke on April 4
        Washington, April 4, 2016, 23:14 p.m. - REGNUM The US Department of State called for a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh problem, taking into account the right of peoples to self-determination. This was announced today at a briefing on April 4 by the official representative of the US State Department, Mark Toner.

        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2111470.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 22: 35
          0
          And what do you dislike about this statement? This statement should have come from the lips of Russian officials. To correct historical non-justice, as in the case of Crimea.
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 11 2016 10: 46
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      As for DONBASS .. as soon as KIEV there again begins genocide against the Russian people of RUSSIA, it will be necessary to stand up for his defense there can be no hesitation.


      Have you already deleted Kiev and the rest of Ukraine from the "Russian world"?
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 11 2016 11: 35
      +6
      Well, don’t do this ... We don’t drag chestnuts out of the fire for anyone, we protect not just Armenia, Tajikistan and others, but our interests and it’s much cheaper and more profitable if Tajikistan and other republics preserve their states, rather than turn into into ruins with fertile soil for all kinds of terrorists and aggressors, something like Somalia or Afghanistan ... We just hold back the enemy on long lines and this is our main interest and we spend money on this, and not at all out of love for Armenians, Tajiks and others ... So of course they are our neighbors and people close to us, but we protect our direct interests there and ensure our security ... What would be better if Azerbaijan seizes NK first, and then half if not most of Armenia? Or if a civil war breaks out again in Tajikistan and tens of thousands of ISIS appear there, who replenish their ranks with poor and hungry Tajiks? This is naturally beneficial to them and they understand it ... Because apart from Russia, they don’t give a damn about them at all ... You just need to carry out propaganda more clearly and don’t lie that we are there for them, we’ll be together and that’s how we will ensure our security ...
      1. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 10
        +6
        'What will be better if Azerbaijan seizes NK first?'
        Do not capture and free .... watch out for words.
        “There is not a single state, with the exception of Armenia, which would not recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. Accordingly, from the point of view of international law, those lands that are currently occupied by Armenia are an integral part of Azerbaijan. Call me at least one country in the world that recognizes the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic? Russia does not recognize, even Armenia itself does not recognize it. Which conclusion is drawn from this? All structures located in the territory that is loudly referred to as Artsakh, especially armed structures, from the point of view of the criminal legislation of the Russian Federation, article 208 of the Criminal Code, are illegal armed groups. After the escalation of the conflict on April 2-5, the Armenian Ministry of Defense published on its website lists of the dead and their burial place. So, on this list there is not a single resident of Nagorno-Karabakh.

        All 57 victims who are indicated or officially recognized at the moment by the Armenian Ministry of Defense are natives of Armenia. If Armenia does not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh, then the question arises: what are the citizens of Armenia doing on the territory or as part of illegal armed groups on the territory of another state that they did not recognize?

        From the point of view of the criminal legislation of the Russian Federation, Article 356, this is called “military mercenary”, which is punishable by criminal liability up to 15 years in prison. Accordingly, it turns out that any presence of people in the occupation forces on the territory of Armenia is either a military mercenary, or participation in illegal armed groups.

        Based on this, a reasonable conclusion arises: who can prohibit the sovereign state - the Republic of Azerbaijan from destroying criminals on its territory?
        1. HERMES
          HERMES April 11 2016 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: Otshelnik
          After the escalation of the conflict on April 2-5, the Armenian Ministry of Defense published on its website lists of the dead and their burial place. So, on this list there is not a single resident of Nagorno-Karabakh.

          All 57 victims who are indicated or officially recognized at the moment by the Armenian Ministry of Defense are natives of Armenia.


          So this is how the Armenians underestimate their losses ... meanly ... this is how the soldier, who was called the "Defender of Artsakh" in his homeland, disappeared ... even his homeland does not want to know him.
        2. HERMES
          HERMES April 11 2016 18: 26
          +1
          Quote: Otshelnik

          Based on this, a reasonable conclusion arises: who can prohibit the sovereign state - the Republic of Azerbaijan from destroying criminals on its territory?


          Comrade ... sad as it is, but hypocrisy rules the ball in the world.
        3. Aleks.Antonov
          Aleks.Antonov April 11 2016 19: 57
          +1
          Hermit, but nothing that the Armenians live in Nagorno-Karabakh for at least 1000 years? But did Azerbaijanis begin to settle there only in the 19th century? And nothing that Nagorno-Karabakh annexed to Azerbaijan, tearing it from Armenia, in agreement with V.I. Lenin, the Great Father of Peoples. Nothing that the vast majority of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians? The war in Nagorno-Karabakh has been going on for more than a hundred years. And just like that, this issue cannot be resolved.
          But another thing strikes me! When the rulers of the Union republics tore my country to pieces, they shouted about the right of peoples to self-determination! But when part of the population demanded the same thing inside these republics, they began to be killed! So what happens? Did Russia have to kill all the Balts, Moldovans, Georgians, Ukrainians, Belarusians there? Why do not I mention other republics, because they clung to the Union to the last. But no! Russia did not go this way. So why not give independence, why not recognize: Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Crimea? The peoples of these territories have decided how they want to live! Who do they want to live with!
          And more:
          "Based on this, a reasonable conclusion arises: who can prohibit the sovereign state - the Republic of Azerbaijan - to destroy criminals on its territory?"
          145,6 thousand Armenians out of 189,1 thousand of the total population live in Nagorno-Karabakh. The data is old, still Soviet. But what you are calling for is called a GENOCIDE!
          1. HERMES
            HERMES April 11 2016 20: 22
            -2
            Quote: Aleks.Antonov
            145,6 thousand Armenians out of 189,1 thousand of the total population live in Nagorno-Karabakh. The data is old, still Soviet. But what you are calling for is called a GENOCIDE!

            If, in a certain territory of the State, in which a national minority is numerically predominant ... this does not entitle this minority to secede from the State on its own, until it is confirmed that this particular national minority is subjected to genocide in any of its guises. With the same success, China can overpower its "rabbits" in the Far East and one fine day - voila ... The Far East declares its independence from the RF. And in another week it expresses its desire to unite with the PRC.
          2. Seal
            Seal April 11 2016 22: 59
            +1
            Do Armenians live in Nagorno-Karabakh for at least 1000 years?
            Of this thousand, at least 200 years - from 1600 to 1800, there was not a single Armenian at all. Well, maybe one was request
      2. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 18: 06
        +5
        Well, if you forget about the state interest of your own country. The state interest of Russia is that Azerbaijan is firmly tied to itself, and not continue to feed Armenia with money that always begs for free loans. Which also the United States decently financially feed. And by the way, the NKR also finances the USA. By tying Azerbaijan to us, we immediately kill a lot of rabbits. 1. We cut Georgia and Ukraine plans for Chinese transit bypassing Russia. Without Azerbaijan, they will not have any Chinese transit. 2. We exclude any illusions from our Central Asian and Kazakhstani partners that they will be able to pull their oil pipelines and gas pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan bound to us). Sorry, but Armenia is located in such a place that it will not replace Azerbaijan in these very important issues for us. And because of this location, even if Armenia joins NATO, it will be absolutely painless for it. Well, we’ll just assume that Turkey’s NATO member has a slightly larger ass. But if Azerbaijan joins NATO, and especially if Georgia joins NATO at the same time, this will be a HUGE problem for us. Just look at the map !! A NATO fleet will appear in the Caspian Sea. Large ships, of course, will not appear, but small ships can very well be delivered unassembled by rail or road and then assemble them in Baku. Just as the Germans did in 1941-1942, when Turkey blocked the straits by German and Italian warships. On fig us in the Caspian Sea NATO fleet? Therefore, it is in Russia's public interests to help Azerbaijan regain Karabakh and thereby tie Azerbaijan to us. And then it will be possible to feed Armenia a little. Including weapons. So that Azerbaijan understands that if it only thinks of leaving us somewhere, the Armenians will again go to take Karabakh. Nothing personal. State interests above all.
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 10
          0
          If Ar tsakh (hypothetically) is annexed, Azerbaijan will be 100% Turkish. And don’t even dream that Aliyev will share his good with Russia. Armenia, like a bone in the throat of the Turks, it impedes the creation of Turan in the future. See the map. What is Armenia fighting for? It’s beneficial for Russia. Otherwise, disaster awaits you from the south. Russia is driving itself into a dead end. Only the collapse of Turkey will allow Russia to exist relatively safely. Turkey’s allies are Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. All these peoples are no worse and no better than Armenians, but they will fight on the side of Turkey. Even if there are Russians instead of Armenians, this can be seen in the war in Syria, who is on whose side.
          1. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 17: 25
            0
            The fact that a peasant (Russia) is seen as a drop of rain, a spider (Armenia) seems to be a flood. We fought with the Turks many times in the Caucasus. And never a single Tartar Chechen, Ingush, Caucasian Tartar (now Azerbaijanis) has not fled from the ranks of our army to the Turkish army. Even the sons of Shamil - and then met on the battlefield. The one who left with his father (Shamil) to perform the Hajj - and remained in Turkey when Shamil died during the Hajj - was in Turkish uniform. Another son who stayed in Russia was in our uniform. And the one in Turkish uniform - he left the battlefield. And the one who was in our form continued the battle with the Turks.
            Our Tatars and Bashkirs are much more dear to us than the Armenians. And your provocations aimed at fragmenting Russia-will not work.
            Moreover - even in the interests of the Armenians, so that Turkey remains united. Turkey at least has no territorial claims against Armenia. But if the Great Kurdistan appears instead of Turkey on your western border, then I’ll laugh. Since the Kurds have a way and small, but claims to the Armenian territory. lol
    5. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 11 2016 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Unjust and insulting accusations give rise to quite fair reasoning among Russian citizens on the topic of exactly where the very Russian world ends,

      I think it’s enough to carry chestnuts for those who do not put a penny on the Russian people ..
      some of our allies in quotes think that RUSSIA is obliged to do everything for them
      in exchange for their friendship.


      The "gratitude" of these "allies" has no boundaries. With the hands of the Russian people, they are solving their strategic tasks of creating the "Great and Ancient" formations. And how much meanness Russia received from these tribes after getting involved in conflicts. They love us if there are billions in injections. But at any moment they will betray only as soon as we become weak.
      I support the author +!
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 11 2016 13: 53
        -2
        And how many villainies, enough to shake the air. Yes, remember the metro attack. Thanks to Ratmir_Ryazan, one of the adequate comments.
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 11 2016 18: 40
        +2
        In most other cases, I would say that it is not necessary to drive a barrel at the people themselves, that they are not to blame for what their government is doing. But in the case of the Armenians ... they are with their government like two pairs of boots. Armenians are like Caucasian Poles, if you understand about than me. Being an Azeri, I believe that the only Armenians who are worthy of respect are our Baku Armenians. By the way, in their "historical" homeland, they were driven in the tail and in the mane. They could not get along with those of Yerevan. Today, nationalism in Armenia is flourishing. "Friendship "between Armenia and Russia like a rotten earthen vessel. Time will come - a pebble will come from somewhere ... and the end of" centuries-old friendship ".
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 17
          +1
          In the first war, refugees from Azerbaijan and the locals showed themselves best. Yes, they remember with nostalgia, but there is no turning back for them.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES April 12 2016 02: 02
            0
            Quote: garnik64
            but for them there is no turning back.

            Unfortunately, this is so ... but remember ... the people who killed the Armenians, were thrown out of the windows and balconies in Sumgait and Baku - not Azerbaijanis ... they were savages without a breed that fell on our heads, it’s not known where they came from. [email protected] This evil spirits walked the streets of our city like jackals. Say a word in Russian - you were ready to gobble it alive. And now yell from all angles, return Karabakh. Yes, I’d better go crumble them first, and only then the creatures from Dashnaktsyutun or how them there and others like them, who are no less inferior in brutality to the bastards described above.
  2. avva2012
    avva2012 April 11 2016 06: 20
    +35
    “And where is Russia? Why do we need an ally who does not help? ”Later, attacks on our country became even more numerous and sharp, right down to direct Russophobia. At the same time, consciously or not, the side avoided the question that, in fact, the Russian Federation has no military obligations to the NKR.

    What is the problem? A referendum, and if most of the citizens of Armenia speak out for joining Russia as a governor general, and if the inhabitants of Russia agree to join (referendum), then the conversations will be different. In particular, our diplomats will go directly with Azerbaijan to resolve issues with the NKR. And, as of now, I'm sorry. Do you want to be adults and live separately, be kind, to be responsible for your actions. In my opinion, we have geopolitical interests in Azerbaijan. Good neighborly relations need to be developed with this state. But the fact that some Christians and others Muslims, and so what? Some people and others not? Serbia alone, which was worth it. We have a civil war, destruction, loss of territories and population after the First World War, and they formed Yugoslavia, that is, a new empire arose around Serbia, practically. So that’s enough, charity is over. We have our own problems spilled the sea. Therefore, pay attention to what they write there in the Armenian soc. networks, we should not.
    1. 34 region
      34 region April 11 2016 08: 33
      0
      Avva2012! 06.20. What is the problem? You can certainly not care at all. You can look at the USA. Why did the USA collectivize Europe after 45 years by driving it into NATO? Why harnessed to the Warsaw Pact countries? After all, they could not give a damn about them. Why do they not allow them to live separately and constantly collectivize them? Is NATO, then the EU, then the WTO, then the Asia-Pacific Union? Why? Why everywhere like police stations poke their military bases? Is the USA doing charity work?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 11 2016 08: 54
        +8
        Quote: 34 region Why everywhere like police stations poke their military bases? Is the USA doing charity work?

        As Comrade IV Stalin used to say, "ah, is it really an Amirikan?"
        Yes, we are different. But the difference is not only in mentality. We, three times in a century, survived terrifying disasters in scale. This is the Civil War, the Great Patriotic War, the collapse of the USSR (they will write, I hope, truthful books, present to the world the number of victims and the destroyed industry). We were restored, and they are rich. There is a difference?
        Yes, and not the same as Russia, look back at some gopnik and small blackmailers.
        And your comment can be divided into three groups of questions. I tried to answer all at once, I don’t know if it worked out.
        1. 34 region
          34 region April 11 2016 09: 15
          +1
          Avva2012! 08.54. It can be divided into three questions, one can answer. Collectivizing the West, the United States benefited. Yes, he pays the lion's share to the cash register of the collective farms he created. But he commands them. Who has money, he is the commander. It seems wasteful to pay? But there is a benefit! And obviously more costs.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 11 2016 09: 44
            0
            Collectivizing the West, the United States benefited. Yes, he pays the lion's share to the cash register of the collective farms he created. But he commands them. Who has money, he is the commander. It seems wasteful to pay? But there is a benefit! And obviously more costs.

            I have a feeling that I wrote my comment in Chinese. Disasters, you see, disasters one after another. And these overseas, with every ruined soul in the whole world, had their own fat.
            I am not against Russia, at least to expand to the entire Eurasian continent. But not now, okay? wink
            1. 34 region
              34 region April 11 2016 10: 10
              +3
              Avva2012! 09.44. Well no. Not in Chinese. I’m probably writing this in Turkish. How to explain this? We don’t support anyone today. But they spit on us. I understand that collective farmers are simply forced to support their US chairman. And these friends overlaid us well. And if we are not friends with anyone, then they will strangle us like that. We need to break through this blockade and advance. So far this is Syria. It is necessary to deprive the United States of the possibility of manipulating countries. And they manipulate military and trade unions and even conflicts. The same conflicts created and support the United States. Therefore, we need to help other countries. To train specialists and give them loans to purchase our products. So we will quickly get out of the crisis and boost our economy. hi
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 11 2016 10: 31
                +4
                Quote: 34 region Therefore, we need to help other countries. To train specialists and give them loans to purchase our products.

                ? Well, don’t we sell weapons? Second place in the world in this matter. Now, we are not discussing geopolitics on a global scale, but only the message in the article:
                In this sense, the CSTO partners would like to wish with great respect to appreciate the attention from the Russian Federation, which they currently use. One day this attention may end.
                .
                Stand, we are on the side of Armenia, thereby pushing Azerbaijan towards the United States and its allies. And vice versa. As a result, we sell weapons to both. And also India, China, South America, and the countries of BV.
                Giving them loans to buy our weapons ???
                And what will they give? The USSR, it could have done so, RF, no. Till.
                The way politics is carried out in Syria, this is some kind of song. And, this is just the beginning. And, the crisis is with us, because the power system under capitalism has not been worked out. Real power will come in the country, and the crisis will end. In my opinion. hi
                1. 34 region
                  34 region April 11 2016 18: 58
                  0
                  10.31. 15.20. Giving loans to purchase their products is not giving cash to the lender. This is to give money to enterprises producing products. And it is not the enterprises that repay the debts, but the borrowers. You catch the difference. Therefore, by giving credit, we raise our economy. hi
              2. sherp2015
                sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 20
                +3
                Quote: Region 34
                Therefore, we need to help other countries. To train specialists and give them loans to purchase our products. So we will quickly get out of the crisis and boost our economy.


                Of course, I apologize, but you need to help first of all to your people, and first of all to raise your economy and build your plants.
      2. stas132
        stas132 April 11 2016 09: 33
        +4
        One of the reasons "why" is the presence of a machine for printing candy wrappers. We do not have it.
        1. 34 region
          34 region April 11 2016 10: 14
          0
          Stas132! 09.33. The printing press does not make candy wrappers valuable. Value gives them products. And for products to be valued, you must first level the buyers with the ground, and then give loans and products. hi
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 11 2016 09: 37
        +10
        A good example is the United States and its NATO instrument.

        Consider this topic through the prism of the Karabakh conflict.
        NATO helps both Armenia and Azerbaijan. NATO does not give security guarantees to either Armenia or Azerbaijan. NATO will have a gesheft from what happened during any the development of the situation.

        They demand from us to side with the Armenians. In the difficult matter of taking away a part of its territory from Azerbaijan (let me remind you that Russia officially considers Karabakh to be a part of Azerbaijan). Both the Armenians and our not particularly smart "patriots" are demanding. In fact, playing on the side of NATO and the United States.
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 10: 43
          -5
          You don’t need extra words just to impose an embargo on the sale of weapons, at least offensive, that’s what the Armenians and everyone want. Nobody demands anything from you, only obligations under the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the EAEU.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 53
            +4
            Embargo on non-existent deliveries? This is a one-time action was ...
            However, when Armenia again preoccupies with the signing of the Association Agreement, it can again be repeated ...

            Quote: garnik64
            No one requires anything from you, only obligations under the CSTO and the EAEU.

            That is, to feed and protect on the way to NATO and the EU ...

            They say that the NATO delegation for "deepening and expanding" left Yerevan a day before the conflict? Suddenly ... 8)))
          2. Seal
            Seal April 11 2016 18: 10
            0
            Please do not forget about the honor of Russia. Russia has had, is and will be honored. Especially if Azerbaijan supports it. In the last century, Russia voted in the UN Security Council for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. And later, 3 or 4 times, she confirmed her unchanged position on this issue in subsequent resolutions of the UN Security Council. Please note that Russia voted for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan in the UN Security Council, where we are one of the five permanent members. Not a single UN Security Council resolution can be adopted if at least one of the permanent members of the Security Council is against. And my country did not even abstain, but voted FOR the adoption by the UN Security Council of all resolutions on the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. And now it would be extremely vile and dishonorable from our side when the issue became "hot" - suddenly to go over to the other side and start supporting not Azerbaijan, but Armenia.
          3. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 02: 09
            0
            No one requires anything from you, only obligations under the CSTO and the EAEU.

            Will you be so kind article and paragraph numbers the documents you are talking about? Let's see together what is there for such "obligations" are spelled out that you get us here.
      4. Kenneth
        Kenneth April 11 2016 12: 22
        +1
        Because they have the Fed. And we don’t even have a chance to compete with them in terms of crushing the world for ourselves - the navel will be untied. Like the USSR.
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    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy April 11 2016 11: 27
      +3
      The difference is actually significant. And it's not about the religious closeness of Armenia and Russia.
      Let me remind you that a monument to Russian-Armenian friendship stands in the very heart of Russia - on Red Square in Pokrovsky Cathedral (St. Basil's Cathedral), where, in honor of the capture of Kazan in 1552, the Armenian Pushkari, who were in the service of the Kazan Khan, refused shoot at the co-religionists, for which they were martyred, Ivan the Terrible ordered to establish a chapel in honor of Gregory of Armenia - the Enlightener of Armenia. By his works, Armenia in 301 was baptized.
      But this is a small digression, and in fact Armenia is the only state in the post-Soviet space where there have been no revisions of history, and children are not taught at school that "Russia came and conquered everyone," as is the case in Azerbaijan, but about Ukraine I generally keep quiet. In addition, in Gyumri (formerly Alexandropol and Leninakan) a memorial to Russian soldiers who died in the Russian-Turkish wars was restored. This memorial was located in the now Turkish city of Kars, which Lenin, buying into the promises of Ataturk to participate in the "instant g'evolution", together with the Kars and Ardahan regions, handed over to Turkey. After that the Turks safely demolished that memorial.
      If you read the same history textbooks from Baku, you will be "pleasantly surprised" that Russians have been terrorizing "poor and unfortunate Azerbaijan" since the Middle Ages. This is despite the fact that until 1918 the lands now occupied by Az.R. never called Azerbaijan, but called Arran and Shirvan. The name was chosen for the purpose of further claims to the Iranian ostanes (regions) of West and East Azerbaijan, i.e. the whole north of Iran.

      And emotions are emotions, you need to calmly respond to them, and not throw a tantrum in response to cries of ingratitude. I'm not talking about the fact that Armenia is perhaps the only country to which Russia has not written off debts, but received property on their territory in Armenia.
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 11 2016 14: 12
        0
        Thank you for writing about St. Basil's Cathedral. I wanted to write myself, I was afraid to be laughed at. Some teachers of my children do not know what faith the Armenians have. And about Armenia .... where it will go. We will continue to spread rot. As in a figurative sense Rogozin wrote on Facebook: "We will supply weapons to Azerbaijan." And this is on time confrontation between the zak.stranami. Truth deleted his entry. And this is a statesman?
        1. Seal
          Seal April 11 2016 18: 22
          0
          They were absolutely rightly afraid. That, one of the chapels of the Church of the Intercession on the moat is named after Gregory of Armenia has nothing to do with the Armenians themselves. The fact that the explosion by our sappers of the Arskaya tower occurred on the day when the name day of Gregory of Armenia was celebrated on the church calendar - purely calendar coincidence.
          Damn, well, here is a cunning folk - even purely calendar coincidences - and they credit themselves stop
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 11 2016 15: 41
        +3
        Quote: ButchCassidy
        monument of Russian-Armenian friendship

        Moscow Metro. Ferry between the stations "Pervomayskaya" and "Izmailovskaya"
      3. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 22
        +4
        "If you read the same history textbooks from Baku, you will be" pleasantly surprised "that Russians have been terrorizing" poor and unhappy Azerbaijan "since the Middle Ages

        False. And suddenly someone will take and look at a book of the history of Azerbaijan and not find what you wrote about? Or the expectation that who needs it !!?
        And yet, as soon as we agree with the GDP, we will drive you to the very line of Kim Kardashian, and the 20-year-old "impenetrable line of" Ohanyan "turned out to be easily pierced.))
      4. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 18: 18
        +2
        Oh, how everything is running !!! Oh, what a fake pulled by the ears !!! Where did you get such historical fantasies ?? What kind of Armenian Pushkarians in FIG ?? In one of the chapels of the Church of the Intercession on the moat there really is a church dedicated to Gregory of Armenia. But this has nothing to do with the Armenians.
        The entire Cathedral is dedicated to Kazan events.

        Four side chapels were consecrated in honor of the saints, in the days of whose memory the most important events of the Kazan campaign took place: Kiprian and Justina (October 2 (15) - the assault of Kazan ended on that day), Gregory, the Enlightener of Great Armenia (on the day of his memory on September 30 (13 October) there was an explosion of the Arsk tower of Kazan), Alexander Svirsky (on the day of his memory, August 30 (September 12) defeated the army of Tsarevich Epanchi, hurrying from the Crimea to help the Tatars), Three Patriarchs of Constantinople Alexander, John and Paul the New ( commemorated also on August 30).

        Three more chapels are dedicated to Nicholas the Great, Varlaam Khutinsky and the feast of the Entry of the Lord into Jerusalem. The central throne is named in honor of the Protection of the Virgin, since on October 1 (14), on the day of this holiday, symbolizing the intercession of the Mother of God for the Christian race, the main assault of Kazan began. By name of the central church the whole cathedral was named.

        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/spravka/20110712/392044436.html#ixzz45X0Ysv6V
      5. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 18: 26
        +3
        About martyrdom?
        Where is this from? Again, before lunch, read Armenian historical fantasies?
        There are three variations of MIFA:
        1. As part of our army, there was allegedly an Armenian regiment of "tsarist gunners".
        Actually clean (or rather, dirty) lies. Nothing of the kind has been recorded in history.
        2. The Armenian gunners were mercenaries in the Kazan army, but when they learned that the troops of the Christian Tsar Ivan the Terrible were going to storm Kazan, the Armenian gunners allegedly refused to shoot, for which they were subjected to "martyrdom".
        3. The Armenians were not gunners, so they shot poorly and were martyred for it.
        Let's see where the truth is and where the lie is.

        The Armenians give such quotes.
        “The Kazan chronicler described these events in such a way:“ ... Armenians are full of biyahu and I’ll not improve them, since I’m confused and inadmissible for the core of the skulls, I’ll hardly kill anyone ”


        And then the Armenians write on their own that

        “But the Tatars soon noticed this maneuver and the Armenian gunners accepted a martyr's death. Ivan the Terrible was shocked by the nobility, fortitude and fearlessness of the Armenian soldiers. The Kazan chronicler wrote that the tsar:“ ... to their fatherlands. "


        Now we look at what is REALLY written in the Kazan chronicler.

        The chapter "On the battle of the dead and in the siege of Kazants, and on the anger of the tsar and the grand duke against Kazants".

        "The Kazanians, however, understood from their own words, and from that hour they fought against Russia, escaping the city, tempting their striving and their courage, and shutting themselves up in the city, and siding in the siege, relying on the fortress of their city and on their many food and supplies. , and five thousand with her shutting foreign merchants, Bukhara, and Shamakhi, and Turchan, and Armenian, and inekh, who did not let them out of the city before the coming of Ruskii’s strength to go to their countries, Turchan and Armen: vedahu teh fiery battle is great and forcing them to beat Rus; dumb to those who do not want and deny like those who do not know what to do, and I chained their glands to the cannons, and with their naked swords I stand over their heads, and I pretending death to them; and so they forced them involuntarily to beat the guns at the Ruskim regiment. They are flattering and bad to beyakh and do not get better, like they are incompetent, and the nuclei are too screaming for the pounding or will not allow, I hardly kill anyone. - In taking Kazan, the king, the prince of great mercy for this will give them: letting all the living go to their fatherland.
      6. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 18: 34
        +2
        Do you see the difference between the annals and the Armenian version of our annals?

        Kazan chronicler doesn’t actually note Armenians, but a bunch "Turks and Armenians." And the Turks, that is, the Turks, Kazan chronicler always puts in the first place. Consequently, the Turks, who had “much more fire on the walls of Kazan” than Kazan morethan Armenians. Then it should be noted that the Kazan chronicler does not speak about any Armenian soldiers on either side. Neither ours nor Kazan. He, the Kazan chronicler, explains that the Kazan people were looking for those who were “foreign warriors” from the foreign merchants. And first of all from the Turks, since the formidable glory of the Turkish gunners was widely known. And secondly - from the Armenians, since Kazan apparently imagined that if the Armenians live with the Turks, then they too have something to think about how to shoot cannons.
        But the merchants, who probably saw how they shoot from cannons, did not know how to shoot themselves (well, and of course they didn’t want to, since the fate of Kazan was already clear to everyone). Therefore, they did not succeed.

        “But we who do not want to and who are denied, and who are unaware of the cause of it, and chained their glands to pushkam, and when I have my swords with my rejuvenated ones standing above their heads, and I reproach them with death; and such a force forced them to involuntarily hit the cannon of battle in the Ruskim regiment. But they’re flattering and evil, and I won’t improve them, but they’re unknowingly, and they’re not killing the nucleus through howling a prepush or hardly letting anyone else. ”

        But none of the Kazan citizens attempted the life of these poorly shot Turkish and Armenian merchants. Therefore, if any of them died, it was only from arrows, shots, and cores of our assault troops.
        Kazan annals does not mention at all that one of them was killed. At least Kazan, at least ours. Therefore, "In taking the Kazan tsar, the prince of great mercy will give them for them: having sent them all alive into their own country."
        That is, Grand Duke Ivan Vasilievich did not begin to punish the Turkish and Armenian merchants for the fact that they shot at our troops.

        Once again, please note that this is not about the Armenians, but about the Turks and the Armenians. And about the Turks, first of all.
        No, well, how can history be distorted like ButchCassidy did? angry
        1. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik April 11 2016 19: 40
          +2
          No, well, how can history be distorted like ButchCassidy did?
          He has such a job))
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 48
          -1
          Go to Baku if you don’t sit there, the order awaits you there is the same as that of Safarov.


          What does it have to do in the first or second stage. So were the gunners or not.

          Probably when they take on the service, they check what a warrior is capable of.
          1. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 17: 33
            0
            What does it have to do in the first or second stage. So were the gunners or not.

            Damn, I answered you in Russian - did not have.
            I repeat.
            five thousand with them shutting down the foreign merchants, Bukhara, and Shamakhei, and Turchan, and Armenian, and ineh, who did not release them from the city before the coming of Ruska’s strength to go to their countries,

            See? Kazan did not let out of the city up to 5 thousand foreign merchants - Bukhara, Shamakhi, Turks and Armenians. And then they began to try to adapt Turkish and Armenian merchants as gunners. Which by itself - Did not work out.
            But merchants from Kazan did not suffer. And our Tsar also showed mercy and forgave all these merchants and let them go to their homes.
      7. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 18: 52
        0
        Why did you run into Lenin?
        which Lenin, buying into the promises of Ataturk to participate in the "instant g'evolution", together with the Kars and Ardahan regions, handed over to Turkey.

        Do not want the Moscow Treaty - ask, we will cancel it hi But then, automatically canceled by the Moscow Treaty, the Alexandropol Treaty between Dashnak Armenia and Kemalist Turkey. laughing

        No one gave any promises about the world revolution. Everything was exclusively on a mutually beneficial basis. Mustafa Kemal guaranteed that upon the entry of our 11th army into Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijani troops would not show us any resistance, and most importantly, that the Azerbaijanis would not even try to disable oil wells. And M. Kemal fulfilled his promise. He presented the case as if our 11th army was going to help the revolutionary forces of Turkey, leading a revolutionary jihad against the countries of the Entente. And Azerbaijanis, as Muslims, are obliged to let our army through freely. Turks forced Azerbaijanis to even restore the rails where they had already taken them apart good
        It is clear that Azerbaijan would not have shown serious resistance to our 11th army. But the Azerbaijanis could easily disrupt oil wells - there was enough time, skill and dynamite.
        So that the young Soviet Republic for some unfortunate 10 million rubles in gold received the best oil fields in the world at that time. Without which the Republic of Soviets would have been very tight. If only we could survive without Baku oil in a capitalist environment. Since there were other oil fields besides the North Caucasus, Russia at that time had all. And the development of the North Caucasus oil fields cannot be compared with the Baku ones.
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 29
          -1
          And yet there was a conspiracy.
      8. Seal
        Seal April 11 2016 23: 34
        +2
        I'm not talking about the fact that Armenia is perhaps the only country to which Russia has not written off debts, but received property on their territory in Armenia.

        And why are you embarrassed? You already here takooogoo talkedthat it’s not a sin to talk about it.
        Why a huge number of Armenian enterprises belongs to Russia. Yes, everything is elementary. Armenia took technical (that is, interest-free) loans from us. And how it was time to give - said that there is no money! If you want, then take on account of our debt this or that enterprise.
        Our people go, look, and then reasonably answer that “Sirs, Armenians, I'm sorry, but you have no business there. There even the walls are torn apart. ” Well, the Armenians say this: “But we have it. If you don’t want to, don’t take it, but then you won’t get anything at all. ”
        Our scratch turnips. They consult with Moscow, and from there, as a rule, an order comes: “Armenia is our ally, take what they give.” Well, ours agree, let's say, take it.
        Armenians - that’s good, let's sign the Agreement, that you received our Armenian enterprise for our duty. Our say - well, let me read though. Armenians - yes, read. Sign it anyway. Our read and quietly go nuts. Conditions:
        - the land under the plant is not transferred, but is leased to us. Price per square meter - as in Manhattan (USA. New York).
        - Over the next year, we must invest at least so many millions of dollars in the company and next year we should start paying taxes to the budget of Armenia.
        - we must recruit so many thousands of local residents and provide them with a salary at the level of ...
        - and dozens of different “we must”, “we must”.
        And to our timid question: “Excuse me, gentlemen, Armenians, do you have at least some responsibilities?” - Armenians proudly answer “Of course there are. We are your best friends and allies !! ”
        And still important. Having given us their own, so to speak, “enterprises”, the Armenians solved not only their economic problems. But also military-political. Why, they argue. And rightly, by the way, they reason. If Russia owns more than half of our enterprises, this means that Russia will protect them as its property. So, we, Armenians, can live in peace, eat barbecue, drink cognac and not be afraid of anything. Russia will protect its enterprises, and, consequently, us.

        http://regnum.ru/news/808440.html

        How were objects that had not been working for a long time and without any profit been valued at $ 100 million? Apparently, ask Klebanov about this. After all, even Simonov from RASU officially warned that after being accepted to the balance, the facilities would require additional investments, which at least should be provided for in the budget. However, Klebanov and Ara Abrahamyan stated in response to numerous questions from the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Economic Development that the order to accept the notorious junk from the Armenian side as a debt received over. Of course, this statement is in great doubt.

        (Does not call. Above is from the then Prime Minister of Russia Mikhail Kasyanov - my footnote).

        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/808440.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
  3. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 11 2016 06: 23
    .
    Russia defends with its soldiers and money territories that do not belong either to the Russian world or to Greater Russia, and in return receive only black “fraternal” ingratitude. Note that it protects the same Armenians, as well as Central Asian nations and Syrians, while in the Donbass, Russian and Russian-speaking citizens die literally every day.

    At the same time, one must also remember that the Russian person was always distinguished by such a character trait as - to keep this word.
    And if you can’t hold him, then don’t tell him.
    1. Homo
      Homo April 11 2016 06: 39
      +16
      Donbass. Yes, there live Russian, but besides the fact that they are Russian? What do they want? What are their goals? Count% fighting for the Donbass,% dreaming of returning to Ukraine,% of those who will take the side of the winner and% of those who do not care (dumped in other regions of Ukraine or in Russia). And it will not be so simple!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 11 2016 07: 04
        +8
        Quote: Homo Donbass. Yes, there live Russian, but besides the fact that they are Russian? What do they want? What are their goals?

        Here's another trick. After the war, the inhabitants, Westerners by nationality, J.V. Stalin, by agreement with Poland, resettled, just in the central and eastern part of the Ukrainian SSR. And, the Poles who lived in the western regions of the USSR, respectively, were sent to Poland. It was connected with the events in Volyn. So, the goals of those who lived in the Donbass were really different. I think that Kiev's aggression against its people has put everything in its place. The settlers, just, either left for Ukraine or took part in the territorial battalions of the same name. I think, who stayed in Donbass now, it is "Russian World". At least the majority.
      2. VeterS
        VeterS April 11 2016 07: 22
        +1
        That's for sure, Russian by birth will not be enough, you still have to PROVE that you are Russian in life!
        1. 97110
          97110 April 11 2016 08: 49
          +6
          Quote: VeterS
          you must also prove that you are Russian in life!

          To prove to passport office staff? Or to whom? You, I suppose, have already proven? And I have a mother-in-law, born in the Yaroslavl region, who married a miner from the Donbass in the Far East, until she proved it. But the process of proof is moving. It may live up to Russian citizenship; there are still 90 of it.
        2. Karabin
          Karabin April 11 2016 08: 50
          +8
          Quote: VeterS
          you must also prove that you are Russian in life!

          those. Assad proved, but Donbass not yet?
      3. Karabin
        Karabin April 11 2016 08: 48
        +7
        Quote: Homo
        Count% fighting for the Donbass,% dreaming of returning to Ukraine,% of those who will take the side of the winner and% of those who do not care (dumped in other regions of Ukraine or in Russia). And it will not be so simple!

        How do we love the interest. Now imagine such a mess for example in the Crimea, or another region of the Russian Federation. For the purity of the experiment, remove the sun from it and add the slurred position of Moscow. I do not think that interest will be different.
        1. 0255
          0255 April 11 2016 11: 22
          0
          Quote: Karabin
          Quote: VeterS
          you must also prove that you are Russian in life!

          those. Assad proved, but Donbass not yet?

          Quote: Karabin
          Quote: Homo
          Count% fighting for the Donbass,% dreaming of returning to Ukraine,% of those who will take the side of the winner and% of those who do not care (dumped in other regions of Ukraine or in Russia). And it will not be so simple!

          How do we love the interest. Now imagine such a mess for example in the Crimea, or another region of the Russian Federation. For the purity of the experiment, remove the sun from it and add the slurred position of Moscow. I do not think that interest will be different.

          I agree with you. The Syrians also flee to Europe in order to live on welfare, arrange a "happy life" for ordinary Europeans, do not want to fight for their country, according to this logic, the Russian Aerospace Forces should not protect them. Maybe it was not necessary to introduce "polite people" into Crimea, even if the Crimeans themselves fought with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to become part of the Russian Federation?
      4. Victor N
        Victor N April 11 2016 10: 50
        0
        Complicated. To understand the understanding. There must be a certain level.
    2. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 28
      +2
      Damn ... a couple of weeks ago, the Armenians were almost terminators, even on this site many wrote how the Armenians are superior to everyone and everything ... well, what ... if the Armenians are such warriors, why do they need Russian?
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 51
        -1
        Such losses will not be enough for you on the floor of Ar Tsakh.
    3. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 11 2016 19: 11
      0
      Based on the reaction, it is quite possible to conclude that not everyone wants to keep their word.
      As they say - oil painting.
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 April 11 2016 06: 28
    +8
    Scrolling through the thoughts of all the events in the Donbass, a very ugly story there turned out and many unfounded statements, including from authoritative people.
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 11 2016 06: 31
    +22
    Well, in general, the author says the case.
    If our troops are now brought into Nagorno-Karabakh, then both sides of the conflict will shoot at them.
    And then both sides will accuse Russia of stealing their victory.
    There are also screams that Russia is trying to crush another young democracy.
    If we act, then at the level of officially accepted methods.
    Like Syria, they asked, we introduced.
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 April 11 2016 08: 42
      +3
      Nobody asks to send troops into the Artsakh. The Armenians simply hoped that the sold weapons to Azerbaijan would not be used in the war against the Armenians, as they were reassured. It is normal when the NATO countries except Turkey imposed a ban on the sale of weapons to these warring countries, and the CSTO countries rub their hands at arms sales to parties to the conflict. And is this a military alliance? Nothing but business. Cynical. It resembles 21 years of the last century, when the Greek army stood on the outskirts of Ankira (Ankara) and the parties stopped fighting due to lack of ammunition. Both states asked for help from Bolshevik Russia, but Russia helped the Turks . No need to ask yourself far-fetched questions and answer them. Unfortunately, the CSTO is a fiction. I would like Russian politics to be a model of the Russian Empire.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 11 2016 08: 56
        +13
        Quote: garnik64
        Nobody asks to send troops into the Artsakh. The Armenians simply hoped that the sold weapons to Azerbaijan would not be used in the war against the Armenians, as they were reassured. It is normal when the NATO countries except Turkey imposed a ban on the sale of weapons to these warring countries, and the CSTO countries rub their hands at arms sales to parties to the conflict and this is a military alliance.

        Tell me, is Karabakh a member of the CSTO? And in the EurAsEC?
        Armenia enters there, but nobody peeed in any form to help Karabakh.
        For precisely these reasons, NATO does not accept countries that have unresolved disputes with neighbors. For some reason, we decided not to look at it.
        And Armenia itself did not recognize Karabakh!
        In this case, Russia can provide assistance in resolving the dispute - and nothing more. Now, if there is an attack on the territory of Armenia, then Russia is simply obliged to intervene, but when the Armenians are fighting on foreign territory, it is not at all obligated.
        The same is about weapons - if Russian weapons are used against Armenia - then we need to react somehow. But the use "against Armenians" is an extremely vague and amorphous category.
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy April 11 2016 11: 35
          -4
          Listen, hostilities are also taking place on the territory of Armenia itself - the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. fired at houses in the Tavush region of Armenia, is it also Karabakh?

          Nobody asks Russia for military assistance, it is enough to control its weapons sold in Baku. Armenian forces did not attack the territory of Az.R. and Tornadoes, Grads and TOS "Solntsepek" were not used by the Az.R. in response, on the contrary, they were used for an attack, which is confirmed by Baku officials - from Ambassador to the Russian Federation Polad Bul-Bul oglu to the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense Az.R.
          1. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 35
            0
            Why are you whimpering? !!!!! We got everyone ... you are invincible warriors of all times and peoples. We have not driven you to Yerevan yet ... they stroked so slightly ...
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 April 11 2016 23: 52
              0
              Stroked and fled.
              1. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik April 12 2016 13: 11
                +1
                ))) You reassure yourself)) well, okay .... it suits us. The only thing is that there are not classmates and housewives and blondes on this site)))
          2. andj61
            andj61 April 11 2016 17: 08
            0
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            Armenian forces did not attack the territory of Az.R. and Tornadoes, Grads and TOS "Solntsepek" were not used by the Az.R. in response, on the contrary, they were used for an attack, which is confirmed by Baku officials - from Ambassador to the Russian Federation Polad Bul-Bul oglu to the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense Az.R.

            Only in real life is it not the Azerbaijanis who occupy the territory of Armenia proper, but the Armenians - the territory of Azerbaijan - if disputed Karabakh is considered the territory of Armenia.
            And shelling is an unpleasant thing, but they will still be. And Armenia, in response to the shelling, did not declare war on Azerbaijan, but in response, it also seemed to be fired - and that’s all.
            Ukrainians fired on our territory two years ago, so Armenia did not declare war on Ukraine ....
            So the claims are not substantiated here.
          3. Seal
            Seal April 11 2016 19: 03
            +3
            It's strange. Two weeks ago and earlier, the mass of the Armenian people (not you personally, but the entire Internet was full of colors), well, simply begged and called upon the Azerbaijanis to "start as soon as possible" and then ..... ".. after 3 days, in a maximum of a week, we will be in Baku. "

            So, have you already taken Baku or what?
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 April 12 2016 00: 03
              -1
              The people want to bring the war to an end. So they started and immediately stopped, having lost almost all of their special forces. The Talyshs and Lezgins will take Baku, we will only go to Barda, then for us there is no land it is not ours.
              1. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik April 12 2016 13: 14
                +2
                If you are so strong that you had to be stopped, then why do you need the support of Russia ???? You guys have already decided on your "logic")))
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 14: 29
          -5
          And here is Karabakh, but don’t need to help him. In case of an attack on Armenia, I doubt something and not only me. Will a Russian soldier die from missiles sold to Azerbaijan by Russia? Maximum will not be allowed to destroy completely, we passed it in 21

          Ar-tsakh is also conveyed by the stroke of a pen, as is Crimea.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 28
            +2
            Quote: garnik64
            And here is Karabakh, but don’t need to help him. In case of an attack on Armenia, I doubt something and not only me. Will a Russian soldier die from missiles sold to Azerbaijan by Russia? Maximum will not be allowed to destroy completely, we passed it in 21

            Ar-tsakh is also conveyed by the stroke of a pen, as is Crimea.


            Why are you sitting here in Russia and scribbling on the keyboard, and not helping your brothers in Karabakh?
            As our brothers love, we point out with a finger what to do, meanwhile, ourselves sitting on the shores of the Black Sea
          2. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 00: 22
            +1
            Ar-tsakh is also conveyed by the stroke of a pen, as is Crimea.

            Again a lie. Crimea belonged to sovereign Russian Empire. Then Crimea legally and actually belonged to the RSFSR. And its exactly that of the RSFSR taken away, and transferred to the Ukrainian SSR.

            Karabakh never belonged sovereign Armenia. And since something never belonged, it could not be transferred from you.

            And in general, if you don’t like everything so much how the Soviet government divided you - for God's sake, ask us to cancel our Moscow Treaty with Turkey. And then your purely Armenian Alexandropol Treaty with Turkey, canceled by the Moscow Treaty, will come into force automatically. And then jump from joy to heaven, like the Ukrainians on the Maidan laughing
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 April 11 2016 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: garnik64 I would like Russian politics to be a model of the Russian Empire.

        RI policy? Enough! What did the RI policy lead to, to remind or not? Could not get involved in the European conflict, if the king was different.
        There is NO such country in the world that paid with such victims, then for some, then for others. Enough! There are geopolitical interests that are carried out with a cold head. We would be in the Donbass, Russian help and that, thank God.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 11 2016 09: 45
        +10
        Quote: garnik64
        The Armenians simply hoped that the arms sold to Azerbaijan would not be used in the war against the Armenians

        Themselves to blame.

        "We are in the EU and NATO, and economically and in terms of security, Russia must provide this path for us."
        I had to give a thick hint of the sale of weapons that such a consumer attitude is unacceptable. And it immediately dawned, right? The signing of the Association Agreement was canceled, the Armenians sharply wanted to in the CU. Yes, I’m just afraid, I’ll have to hint more than once ...
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy April 11 2016 11: 59
          -3
          Do not own the question, Armenia did not refuse to cooperate with the EU, as well as with NATO and the United States. And it has never given up on the Customs Union, the policy of Armenia is multi-vector, and involves harmonious cooperation with all sides of relations.

          As for NATO and the USA, they don’t deliver weapons to Azerbaijan in view of the embargo. But the suppliers of weapons in fact, not so many. Moreover, the issue of price - quality: for the same amount, if it were the armament of Israel, for example, it would have been less Kuuuuda.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 11 2016 13: 43
            +2
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            Do not own the question, Armenia did not refuse to cooperate with the EU, as well as with NATO and the USA

            Here I am about that. This was not the last batch of weapons for Azerbaijan. Some simply do not understand otherwise.
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 11 2016 13: 57
            +2
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            Armenia did not refuse to cooperate with the EU, as well as with NATO and the United States. And the TS has never refused, the policy of Armenia is multivector,



            Hmm ... Cleverly however! Both ours and yours.
            1. Seal
              Seal April 12 2016 01: 27
              0
              Quote: sherp2015
              Hmm ... Cleverly however! Both ours and yours.

              The Armenian National Committee of America still holds the second line, which, compared to the previous year, has noticeably increased. So, in the group on Armenian affairs of the Congress today ( in 2014 - my footnote) consists of 113 legislators against 92 in 2013.
              The members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees:
              - on international affairs (House of Representatives and Senate),
              - on external appropriations (House of Representatives and Senate)
              - The leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate.
              The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the allocation by the US government of free financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, to lobby for the adoption by the state of California of a resolution recognizing the independence of the NKR.
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 14: 39
          -3
          We are already in the union and deliveries continue.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES April 11 2016 18: 59
            +1
            Why did you join the CSTO? What would Mother Russia protect you from both Turkey and Azerbaijan? What would Russia block the connection between its military-industrial complex and Azerbaijan and make it easier for you to annex Nagorno-Karabakh? In fact, the answer to all of the above questions is so accurate!

            Armenia with its claims to Nagorno-Karabakh fell almost into the Stone Age. And what would happen if Armenia was a friendly country for Azerbaijan? All the blessings and billions of dollars Georgia would receive from you. All gas and oil pipelines would go through you. Iron we would build the road with you, and not in Georgia. And you would have no problems with either gas or fuel. And you would have a second economy and standard of living in the region after Azerbaijan.
      4. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 00: 03
        0
        when selling weapons to parties to the conflict.
        What does it mean to sell weapons to the parties to the conflict? Did Armenia buy at least one cartridge for money, not for the songs "I am an ally, I am an ally"? And why did you decide that you have the right to tell us to whom and what we can sell, and to whom not? Only because out of pity you were admitted to the CSTO - and you immediately began to think of yourself, God knows what? Yes, it was generally impossible to accept you in the CSTO until you resolved your issues with Azerbaijan. As in NATO !!! There are territorial disputes with neighbors - first decide - then come.
        Both states asked for help from Bolshevik Russia, but Russia helped the Turks

        What the fuck ??? Greece asked for help from us, from the Bolsheviks ?? Hello, we arrived !! Yes, Greece - a member of the Entente, participated in the intervention against Soviet Russia. And, excuse me, why didn’t Greece turn to England? To France? To Italy? To the USA? To Spain?

        And we helped Turkey because before that Turkey handed over to us Azerbaijan with its oil fields. And in the end - what are you telling us again? Whom they wanted, they helped him. And they did not ask you !!
        Sorry CSTO fiction

        CSTO is not a fiction !!! Just as long as there is one state in it that has territorial disputes with a partner of both Russia and Kazakhstan and Belarus, and which simply doesn’t need either Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan, this one state will whine that the CSTO is a fiction.
        If this aching state does not want to understand that members of the CSTO should not and will not act to the detriment of their national interests, these are problems not of the CSTO, but that aching state.
      5. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 00: 13
        0
        I would like Russian politics to be a model of the Russian Empire.

        Wonderful desire.
        Having ascended the throne of a truly Russian tsar and autocrat, Emperor Alexander III the Peacekeeper first thing does? First of all, Alexander III expels Loris-Melikov from service.
        And instructs the new Minister of the Interior Tolstoy to take measures against Armenian nationalism. By the end of the 1880s in the Russian Empire, almost all Armenians were dismissed from government posts, in 1885 Armenian schools were closing down, and in 1889 the history and geography of Armenia was excluded from schooling.
        But especially Nicholas II took up the Armenians. At first, in 1897-1899 laws were passed on the transfer of parish schools of Armenia to the Ministry of Education. And on June 12, 1903, the Regulation “On the Concentration of Property Management of the Armenian-Gregorian Church in Russia in the possession of government institutions” was adopted. According to it, all real estate (including profitable land) and capital belonging to the Armenian church and religious institutions passed into the jurisdiction of the state. True, this cannot be called complete confiscation, since the share of their owner, the Armenian religious institutions, was allocated from the proceeds from the sale of confiscated property and cash. And only the revolution of 1905, when our country really was not up to the Armenians, forced Nicholas II to turn off this right path.
      6. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 02: 24
        0
        This is reminiscent of 21 g of the last century, when the Greek army stood on the outskirts of Ankira (Ankara) and the parties stopped fighting due to lack of ammunition

        Looked at something. It turns out here you lied. The Greeks did not need weapons. Since the allies left the Greeks in Macedonia all the arsenals of their Thessaloniki front against Bulgaria. The Greeks had these arsenals before the Second World War. Another thing is that the Greeks were not able to provide regular supplies of weapons and ammunition from these arsenals to almost the very center of Turkey. It was because of the disruption of their own rear services that the Greek army remained inactive from late July to mid-August 1921.
        As for the Turks, yes, they had worse weapons. But besides us, the Turks were helped by Armenians and Italians.
        Kemal organized ammunition depots in Afyon-Karagissar, Eski-Sheyr and Sivas. They replenished after the defeat of the Armenian army, equipped with allies. During the defeat of the Dashnaks and the occupation of Kars, Ardagan, Alexandropol, the Turks captured hundreds of guns, machine guns, tens of thousands of rifles and a large number of shells and ammunition, so necessary for Turkey, which did not have its own factories and plants. In addition, it is no secret that the Italians, leaving Asia Minor, surrendered part of the military equipment to the Turks.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 11 2016 09: 24
      +10
      Quote: Zomanus
      Well, in general, the author says the case.
      If our troops are now brought into Nagorno-Karabakh, then both sides of the conflict will shoot at them.
      And then both sides will accuse Russia of stealing their victory.
      There are also screams that Russia is trying to crush another young democracy.

      ... Already was - on the first conflict!
      Then Russia was accused of the fact that "the Russians stole our victory, did not allow us to win" ... moreover, both warring parties! Both those and others were convinced - if not for Russia, "they" would "show them"! ...
      The same thing - and now, the situation is one to one; only on both sides of the weapon more ...
      It would be something to lose — life in the republics would be more or less tolerable — who would have fought there, with their Caucasian mentality! ... once, they say: grapes must be spudded ... oranges pour ... tobacco weed ... sell tangerines ... pour wine into barrels ...
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 11 2016 06: 39
    +21
    where exactly is the very Russian world that we are obliged to defend at all costs

    Probably where the free aid of our country to the republics ends and it is required of them to remember that there are also obligations along with rights. Russia continues to operate in the old fashion, still using the Soviet experience, when everyone lived in one country and was considered a community by the Soviet people. We still help for free, forgive huge debts, close our eyes to certain anti-Russian actions and statements. But in vain. Some former republics of the USSR still hold us for a dairy cow, but at the same time they strictly adhere only to their interests, forgetting that the agreement (agreement) provides for at least two parties.
    1. 34 region
      34 region April 11 2016 08: 39
      -3
      Rotmister60! 06.39. And what does free help mean? What it is? Is this a humanitarian aid? Here it looks like a freebie. And which one? Help for free? Medvedev said that this is not.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 11 2016 11: 39
        +5
        And what does free help mean? What it is?

        And this: gas discounts, preferences in trade, interest-free loans and write-offs of loans for hundreds of millions of greens, military assistance ... in exchange for eternal discontent with Russia. Or do you think that the huge money saved on this is not a freebie? There is no and will not be a conversation about humanitarian aid - this is a good deed.
      2. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 00: 29
        0
        Medvedev said that this is not.

        Kasyanov also said no. However, http://regnum.ru/news/808440.html

        However, Klebanov and Ara Abrahamyan stated in response to numerous questions from the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Economic Development that the order to accept the notorious junk from the Armenian side as a debt received over. Of course, this statement is in great doubt.
        DO NOT call. Above - this is Kasyanov M.M. At that time, he worked as the Prime Minister of Russia.
    2. creak
      creak April 11 2016 08: 47
      +17
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We still help for free, forgive huge debts,


      It should be added that these attractions of unprecedented generosity never touch their own citizens ...
      We write off debts after all to completely solvent countries - and to debtors including for large families, for example, last winter they turned off gas for non-payment ...
      There was no money for the full indexation of pensions (by the way, laid down by law (and laws must be complied with), but for some reason there is always money for Rosnano, Skolkovo, etc. Their efficiency is lower than that of the engine ...
      In this connection, the question arises - where does the border of the Russian world go all the same, and whether all our citizens live within it ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 11 2016 08: 55
        +4
        the border passes along the borders (sorry for the tautology) of those states that recognized the annexation of Crimea to Russia. the same Armenians - did not hear something, maybe missed it?
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy April 11 2016 11: 37
          -2
          Your information is irrelevant: Armenia, along with Belarus, voted in the UN against a resolution condemning the return of Crimea to Russia.
          1. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 00: 36
            0
            Your information is irrelevant: Armenia, along with Belarus, voted in the UN against a resolution condemning the return of Crimea to Russia.
            This is your next lie. Resolutions of the UN General Assembly, in contrast to Resolutions of the UN Security Council, are not binding. So, the talking room. Concussion. Therefore, who and how to vote there - nobody cares.
            After the Crimean referendum, the Armenian President Sargsyan called our Vladimir Vladimirovich and licked him. He stated that "The referendum in Crimea passed without violations and showed the freedom of expression of the will of the Crimean people."
            What caused full satisfaction with GDP.
            But ours, knowing the sin of apostasy for the Armenians, so that the Armenians wouldn’t include the reverse gear later, took this telephone conversation in the press.

            The US immediately reprimanded Sargsyan.
            But Ukraine called the Armenian ambassador to Ukraine on the carpet and through it demanded explanations from Sargsyan whether these words of the Armenian President about the freedom of expression of the will of the people of Crimea by the official statement of the President of Armenia that Armenia recognizes that Crimea is Russia.
            And this is how Sargsyan dodged.
            He replied that yes, he personally, Sargsyan, in a private conversation expressed his personal opinion that in the Crimea, the referendum, where the people of Crimea expressed their will by free will, went well (but where did Sargsyan go - the telephone conversation is published), but The official position of Armenia is as follows: In order for the results of the referendum to be lawful, the results of the referendum must be recognized by Ukraine. And as long as Ukraine does not recognize the results of the Crimean referendum as legal - until Armenia admits that Crimea is Ukraine.
            And Ukraine, as you know, does not even recognize the fact of holding a referendum as legal.
  7. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 11 2016 06: 41
    +24
    Gather all the Armenians from Russia, Azerbaijanis from Russia and send them to develop their "great" states! Otherwise, they sit with their "f" s in our house and croak at Russia! And so they already have all the benefits, gas is arams with what fright at reduced prices? Our "bros" love freebies! As everything is normal, Russians, we do not know who they are! Like a batch, help people kindness! And we are glad ... we will take off our pants and help everyone. We will forget about ourselves! But we will help! The result is not to turn out like in the USSR. You can and should help on favorable terms, without bowing to someone we help, this is They should bow. And we have the opposite. They blackmail us, but we are led. Ars are not so harmless. Look at the reports in the south.
    1. 34 region
      34 region April 11 2016 08: 53
      -5
      Astronomer1973! 06.41. Send them back? Then come to work with us! It is beneficial for us. You work for a penny. Now back? First invite, and then send ?! They themselves will not develop their economy. We, too, cannot develop at home. What to do? Ask for help from the west? Let them pull them up economically? Yes, it seems we see how the West is successfully pulling up in the Stone Age. Let them kill each other? Let’s fence them and wait for someone to survive?
  8. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 April 11 2016 06: 44
    +31
    This is to be expected. The Armenian diaspora, who lives quite comfortably in Russia, is not eager to fight for Nagorno-Karabakh. What for? They have a pretty decent business or well-paid job. Drag their relatives to Russia. At the same time, they talk endlessly about the military prowess of the Armenian people.
    Armenia forgot about the supply of weapons by Russia in the 90s. Then, with the help of the An-124, a decent number of tanks were transferred within two weeks, and after a while, artillery ammunition from the Akhtubinsk airfield. This operation is reflected in one of the books of the military columnist "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Baranets. Well, I myself was a witness to that.
    Delivering gas at preferential prices ... a lot of things.
    Once again, I will focus on the Armenian diaspora in Russia. Where are their patriotic impulses to defend the "Armenian world"? Maybe all their men rushed to Karabakh at once ... No, they calmly wander around restaurants, sit in markets ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 11 2016 06: 59
      +9
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      The Armenian diaspora, who lives quite comfortably in Russia, is not eager to fight for Nagorno-Karabakh. What for?

      Moreover, I will say that the Azerbaijanis do not need this either ... I myself spoke yesterday in the store "planet Mega" - their stores. they say something like this: "these are all politicians, I don't need Karabakh ..."
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 11 2016 08: 45
        +10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Moreover, I will say that the Azerbaijanis do not need this either ... I myself spoke yesterday in the store "planet Mega" - their stores. they say something like this: "these are all politicians, I don't need Karabakh ..."


        If we recall how in the 90s they fled from conscription from Azerbaijan to Russia in the thousands ...
        And about Karabakh - in general, the situation is very interesting!
        Armenia joined the EurAsEC, but Karabakh did not enter! And what do we see - customs at the border of Armenia and Karabakh? what Yes, there is no mention of them, although, based on the agreements, they must be! repeat
        Accordingly, only Armenia was obliged to defend Russia as an ally, but not Karabakh at all, and, especially, the territories of Azerbaijan proper not occupied by the Armenians.
      2. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 41
        +2
        I don’t agree with you ... I’m not a few years old, but I haven’t seen such a surge of patriotism for a long time ... and most importantly, this applies to all segments of the population.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 11 2016 08: 14
      +21
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      Once again, I focus on the Armenian diaspora in Russia

      These Armenians have already gotten sick. The "owner" of the plant dragged his entire village to our city. They have both work and earnings. There will be a branch of Armenia soon. And all the time I am tormented by the question: Why do they not want to restore their country, why do they not want to live in their homeland? It turns out - the same gypsies who do not have their homeland.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 11 2016 08: 36
        +10
        Quote: EvgNik It turns out - the same gypsies who do not have their homeland.

        You know, I would compare them with the Jewish people. Merchants and money changers, very resourceful people with an extensive diaspora in all parts of the world. The absence of the Motherland, as such, because the main lands of the Armenian kingdom, has long been in someone else's hands. The people who survived their Holocaust. Therefore, in my opinion, the similarity of history, so to speak, professional orientation, left an imprint on the national character and made these two nations as similar as possible, despite ethnic alienness.
        1. Seal
          Seal April 12 2016 00: 42
          +2
          Here it is
          Merchants and money changers, very resourceful people with an extensive diaspora in all parts of the world

          and here it is
          The people who survived their Holocaust.

          Is that somehow interconnected?
          In my opinion, merchants and money changers, very resourceful people with an extensive diaspora in all parts of the world, Jews began long before the Holocaust.
          And the Armenians did not lag behind.
          There is (was, not so long ago died) a famous Armenian historian, professor at a number of American universities (he lived in America) John Kirakosyan. He wrote an interesting work; “Young Turks before the court of history” in which, like a tank, it drove into the Turks (Young Turks), but at the same time gave a lot of interesting information. For example. "Composing 20% of the 25-10 million population of the Turkish Empire, the Armenians concentrated in their hands 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade ”. This he talks about the state before the First World War. That is about the year 1912-1913. John Kirakosyan, having the same mercantile mentality as the rest of the Armenians, does not even understand what effect these figures have on people with a non-mercantile mentality. For example, it becomes clear to me how much hostility towards the Armenians before the First World War accumulated in the Turks. Well, where does the love of Armenians come from in Turks, if 80% of all domestic trade (and this is bazaar trade) is in Turkey in the hands of Armenians !!!! But besides the Armenians in Turkey there were no less inclined to trade Greeks and Jews. Sorry, but it seems that before the First World War, the Turk was not allowed to trade in his native country and in the rural bazaar. Just as now, a Ryazan peasant will not be allowed to enter the Moscow market with his potatoes. Well, a Ryazan farmer can even trade in his Ryazan. And the Turk before the First World War is such that even the local bazaars were closed. So what did the Armenians want? So that the Turks love them for organizing a wonderful uninterrupted trade? As you can see, the whole mind has eclipsed the Armenians inexhaustible thirst for profit! Well, they took 10% of the Turkish market - and take it easy. You have enough for his eyes !! No, they took 10%, then 20%, then 30% !! And it seemed to everyone a little !! Even 50% of the Turkish market seemed not enough !! Even 75% was not enough !!!! And after all, all this happened under the conditions, as the Armenians themselves write of the “Abdul-Hamid pogroms of Armenians”, which they call the “first genocide”.
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 11 2016 09: 12
        +8
        Quote: EvgNik
        And all the time I am tormented by the question: Why do they not want to rebuild their country, why do not they want to live in their homeland? It turns out - the same gypsies who do not have their homeland.

        A joke or a reality walks around the country:
        Rostov Region, one of the first lessons at school in the 1st grade.
        The teacher sees a little Armenian girl, recalls that her siblings attend school at the same time and says a phrase in which he is surprised that Armenian families are all large, and in Russians they have one, at most two children.
        This Armenian girl declares that, supposedly, our Armenian patriarch instructed women to give birth to many children, so that in future the land on which Armenians now live will become the basis for Greater Armenia ...
        The Russian teacher in shock, could not say anything more ...
        So they are not gypsies, but simply mastering richer lands for themselves - in the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region they are full ...
        1. creak
          creak April 11 2016 10: 48
          +5
          Quote: andj61
          So they are not gypsies, but simply mastering richer lands for themselves - in the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region they are full ...


          I wonder how they master them themselves or not without the help of local authorities and law enforcement agencies.
          And why not master if the officials and the police, sometimes, almost walk with them ...
          After all, they have, in fact, all land plots and real estate documents issued by title documents - and who issued these documents to them?
          So it’s not only and not so much about the "come and go in large numbers" - the guests dispose of the house as much as the owners allow them ...
          So all the claims, in this case, are a bit off the mark ...
          1. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 08: 49
            0
            So all the claims, in this case, are a bit off the mark ...

            Well, not quite at the wrong place. You see, in certain regions of the region, especially on the Black Sea coast, the percentage of Armenians is much higher than in the whole Region. And, they, united in their national diasporas, go together to vote and hold their deputies in power.
            So, alas, but the owners in a number of places in the region have long been not the owners. You look at the composition of the City Assembly for example Sochi.
            Well, unfortunately, this
            bureaucrats and the police, sometimes, almost walk with them for a hug ...
            really takes place to be. Yes, and not sometimes, but very often.
            Although again, if you look at the police and officials in profile, so that your noses are visible .....
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 15: 00
          -4
          And you are a provocateur. Once again I will repeat in the magazine Top Secret published that the 38% treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of taxes collected from Russians of Armenian origin. Maybe the Krasnodar Territory is blooming not without the help of the Armenians. And you shouldn’t call you empty, documents, leaflets, etc. And if you suddenly find such a court, and even such provocateurs there would not hurt.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 34
            +2
            Quote: garnik64
            And you are a provocateur. Once again I will repeat in the magazine Top Secret published that the 38% treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of taxes collected from Russians of Armenian origin. Maybe Krasnodar Territory blooms not without the help of Armenians


            I wonder how the "hardworking" Armenians of the Krasnodar Territory suddenly got billions for palaces and 38%?
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 April 12 2016 00: 11
              0
              But you don’t know that money is earned with your head or hands. And how else can you earn it. They steal it, state. enterprises where there are almost no Armenians.
            2. Seal
              Seal April 12 2016 08: 56
              0
              I wonder how the "hardworking" Armenians of the Krasnodar Territory suddenly got billions for palaces and 38%?

              First they privatized our land, which we honestly won in the Caucasian war from the Circassians what
              And the Circassians are now offended by us. They say that
              We recognize
              that we lost to you Russians and we admit that you defeated us. But why is our former land now in the hands of the Armenians? Did they defeat us too?
            3. Seal
              Seal April 12 2016 09: 13
              0
              Quote: Aleksandr1959
              I respect Marshal Baghramyan endlessly

              For what ? Baghramyan is not a Stalinist marshal. Of all the front commanders, Stalin did not give marshals only to Bagramyan and Eremenko. Khrushchov made Marshal Baghramyan.
              1. Until 1920, Baghramyan was a dashnak and served in the Armenian army. Only at the end of 1920 Baghramyan joined the ranks of the Armenian Red Army.
              2. As a commander of a regiment of the Armenian division, he was lucky to get to the cavalry advanced training courses for commanding personnel, where his classmates were G.K. Zhukov, K.K. Rokossovsky and others.
              3. During the years of purges from the Dashnak past, Mikoyan “covered” him.
              4. In September 1940, he was appointed to the post of deputy chief of staff - chief of the operational department of the headquarters of the Kiev PSB. In this post, he met the war. He was not distinguished by anything special in the initial period of the war. Apart from the fact that on the night of June 22, 1941 the head of the operational department is already the Headquarters of the front (from 19.06.1941) Baghramyan together with the encryption department traveled somewhere along the roads of Ukraine in isolation both from the remnants of the District Headquarters, which remained in Kiev, and from the Front headquarters, organized in Ternopol. As a result, neither the KOVO nor the SWF could, on the night of June 22, 1941, either receive or transmit encryption. The Chief of Staff of the SWF tried to call the commander of the formations by telephone - but many commanders, in accordance with the instructions, refused to take orders by telephone. We were still very lucky that the Germans delivered the main blow not in Ukraine, but in Belarus.
              And then Baghramyan would be shot, as well as Pavlov’s staff.
              5. In September 1941 Baghramyan was almost the only major chief of staff of the Southwestern Front who survived when he left the encirclement.
              6. For this he was awarded, promoted and appointed to Tymoshenko himself. But here he was not lucky. Stalin:
              “We here in Moscow, members of the Defense Committee and people from the General Staff, decided to remove Comrade Comrade Chief of Staff of the Southwestern Front from office. Baghramyan. Comrade Baghramyan does not satisfy the Headquarters, not only as the chief of staff, called upon to strengthen communications and leadership of the armies, but does not satisfy the Headquarters, even as a simple informant, obliged to honestly and truthfully report to the Headquarters on the situation at the front. Moreover, Comrade Baghramyan was unable to learn a lesson from the catastrophe that erupted on the Southwestern Front. Over the course of any three weeks, the South-Western Front, thanks to its frivolity, not only lost the half-won Kharkov operation, but still managed to give the enemy 18-20 divisions ”
              .
              7. But Stalin, suddenly, for one reason he knows, appoints Baghramyan the chief of staff of the 28th army, and then - the commander of the 16th army,
              8. Well, then on the whole, the Red Army did better — and Baghramyan too. But Marshal Stalin did not give him even after the Victory.
            4. Seal
              Seal April 12 2016 09: 26
              +1
              I forgot to mention Khrushchov. After all, it was Khrushchov in 1941 who was the commissar of the highest rank and was part of the Military Council of the South-Western direction (Budyonny, Khrushchev, Pokrovsky), as well as five fronts of the south-western and southern directions. In 1941, in the area of ​​responsibility of Khrushchov, an encirclement of Soviet units near Kiev took place.
              And since from the entire leadership of the Southwestern Front in 1941 only Baghramyan survived, who, upon leaving the encirclement, began to sing praises of Khrushchev, Khrushchev began to consider Baghramyan "his own man." That is, Baghramyan already showed an amazing political flair.
              In 1941 and in 1942 Baghramyan licked Khrushchov to survive, and after the death of Stalin, when Khrushchov became the first person - in order to get all the benefits. And Baghramyan received them.
              And it was Khrushchov who gave Baghramyan the title of Marshal. I remind you that Stalin did not give Marshal Baghramyan. Moreover, the Armenians say that "I wanted to give, but did not have time."
              March 11, 1955 I. Kh. Bagramyan was awarded the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union and in the same year he was appointed to the post of Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR.
              So Khrushchov thanked his ward. And the Marshal gave and placed him as his man to the new Minister of Defense G.K. Zhukov. Who, for his part, before that, also considered Baghramyan his friend and did not object to the appointment of Baghramyan to his deputies.
              However, Zhukov quickly figured out whose friend Baghramyan really is and fused Baghramyan from the post of his Deputy in science. So on June 8, 1956 I. Kh. Bagramyan became the head of the Higher Military Academy named after K. E. Voroshilov (in 1958 it was renamed the Military Academy of the General Staff).
              But Khrushchov did not forget about his favorite Baghramyan. And when Khrushchov removed Zhukov, he again returned Baghramyan to the post of Deputy Minister of Defense. And what kind of bread position !!
              On June 2, 1958 Baghramyan was again appointed Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR — Head of the Logistics Department of the USSR Defense (later Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR — Chief of Logistics of the USSR Armed Forces). And for a very, very long time, the main rear of the Soviet Army was Khrushchev's Marshal Baghramyan. Peace to the world - to Armenians - money.
          2. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 April 11 2016 21: 31
            +1
            The question is not about the taxes that are given to the Krasnodar Territory, and not only to it by the Armenian traders (entrepreneurs). The question is about something else. That they have a peculiar understanding of allied relations. Those. Russians go and fight with Azerbaijan ... and at this time we will "help" you build the Russian economy. I am in no way opposed to the entire Armenian people. I have endless respect for Marshal Baghramyan, retired lieutenant general. Hero of the Soviet Union, test pilot Stepan Anastasovich Mikoyan ... and other military men - Armenians, with whom he served in the Soviet Army and the RF Armed Forces. These people are warriors. We are talking about other representatives of this people, hucksters who, instead of themselves, are trying to substitute the soldiers of the Russian Army under the bullets, explaining these attempts by some special relations between our peoples. As if we owe Armenia the most. We don't owe them shit. And similar demarches of the representatives of Armenia. I cannot call it anything other than an insult to Russia.
          3. Seal
            Seal April 12 2016 08: 33
            0
            38% of the treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of taxes collected from Russians of Armenian origin
            Well, yes, one Galitsky, he is a girlhood Harutyunyan (Salonik Armenian) - with his network of Magnets, which is worth it.
            And something, for example, I have never heard such phrases, such as "A brigade of Armenian miners gave out on the mountain so many thousand tons of coal above the plan" or "A brigade of Armenian grain growers threshed so many tons of grain above the plan" or "A brigade of metallurgists- Armenians smelted so many tons of pig iron in excess of the plan. "
            The Armenians "work" for the most part in the sphere of trade and rendering of household and hotel services. That is, they privatized our land, built on it barbecue, cheburek, guest houses and so on. And if we consider that in this business only one ruble out of five shines in front of the tax authorities - I believe that the real percentage of Armenians' coverage of the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory is much higher than the 38% shown.
            Now let's look at the demographic composition of the Region. It turns out that Armenians only 5,4% of the population. And these 5,4% have already concentrated in their hands 38% of the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory. And this is only official. Gentlemen, Armenians, what figure are you going to dwell on? At 50%? At 75%? At 100%? And with these achievements, are you going to win our boundless love and respect for you? You have not beguiled us with anyone? It is you who can win respect from Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks or Georgians. But the Russian man, in general, never respected merchants. Just look at our Russian folk sayings and proverbs about merchants and traders.

            Sirs, Armenians, what, history has not taught you anything?

            There is (was, not so long ago died) a famous Armenian historian, professor of a number of American universities (lived in America) John Kirakosyan. He wrote an interesting work; “Young Turks before the court of history” in which, like a tank, it drove into the Turks (Young Turks), but at the same time gave a lot of interesting information. For example. “Composing 20% of the 25-10 million population of the Turkish Empire, the Armenians concentrated in their hands 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade". This he talks about the state before the First World War. That is about the year 1912-1913. John Kirakosyan, having the same mercantile mentality as the rest of the Armenians, does not even understand what effect these figures have on people with a non-mercantile mentality. For example, it becomes clear to me how much hostility towards the Armenians before the First World War accumulated in the Turks. Where does the love of Armenians come from in Turks, if 80% of all domestic trade (and this is bazaar trade) is in Turkey in the hands of the Armenians! But besides the Armenians in Turkey there were no less inclined to trade Greeks and Jews.
    3. evgmiz
      evgmiz April 11 2016 08: 35
      0
      It is necessary to calculate how many "refugees" from the Donbass of "draft age" are hanging around in Russia, while people from other regions of Russia serve and fight in the armies of the LPR and DPR ...
    4. garnik64
      garnik64 April 11 2016 08: 53
      +2
      The witness himself, 1500 people signed up for volunteers in Krasnodar.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: garnik64
        The witness himself, 1500 people signed up for volunteers in Krasnodar.


        Signing up does not mean going to Karabakh and fighting in the trenches!
        If out of these 1500 people still come 3, then this is the greatest record ...
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 April 12 2016 00: 16
          0
          We don’t see wars. Do not worry about going. Still not everyone knew about the training camps.
      2. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik April 11 2016 16: 42
        +2
        )))))))))))))))))))))
    5. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy April 11 2016 11: 38
      -5
      ;) Armenians in the markets are powerful. It’s immediately obvious that you don’t understand the question.
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 11 2016 15: 01
        -6
        Not a Slav, then an Armenian.
    6. HERMES
      HERMES April 11 2016 19: 27
      +1
      Hmm ... but the Armenians themselves say that Russia threw them during the years of the war in Karabakh. That the Russians fought shoulder to shoulder with the Azerbaijanis. From myself I will say: the defeat in that war of Azerbaijan was quite obvious. For Azerbaijan, it became the 22nd June, the Armenians were ready, and our boys were taken off the buses directly, taken from schools and institutes, pulled out of the house and driven by trains in Karabakh. The untrained ones were actually fired for meat. As a result, we lost 40000 people. The Armenians doubled less. So are the internal political processes ... the Talyshs in the south wanted independence, the Lezghins in the north are the same, the anarchy in Baku itself. And Aliyev appeared. And no matter how much Aliva the elder was, and he was a powerful politician, he became for us the local counterpart of Bismarck. The rescue from repeated collapse. For 23 years, the Armenians have arrogantly recognized themselves - they consider us sheep, cowards, etc., etc. They are stuck in memories of the victory in the war for Karabakh. Well, they underestimated it. The other day, we broke them as it should. I hope to finally come to their senses and understand - what kind of army is standing in front of them this time.
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 12 2016 00: 24
        -1
        It’s your mistake when almost half of the Karabakh passed Afghanistan, and they kept their own, and now send Lezgins and Talyshs to the Karabakh front, and if they rise.
  9. Yak28
    Yak28 April 11 2016 06: 46
    +25
    It is no secret that the vast majority of citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan engage in speculation and crime in Russia, sending non-acid money to their republics, Russia has no benefit from it. Is there still a country of sucker that will launch millions of illiterate and Tajiks and Uzbeks? states withdrew from the USSR, Russians survived from their territories, looked into the US mouth and continued to exist, including at the expense of Russia. And now Russia owes something to someone, ungrateful parasites
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 11 2016 08: 28
      +3
      Europe has let in a bunch of refugees. Moreover, he pays them decent benefits. Well, now they are slurping a full spoon for their "kindness".
      1. creak
        creak April 11 2016 09: 00
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail M
        Well, now they are slurping a full spoon for their "kindness".


        They forgot the old truth - no good deed will go unpunished.
        It is more applicable than ever to this situation ...
    2. 0255
      0255 April 11 2016 11: 55
      0
      Quote: Yak28
      It is no secret that the vast majority of citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan engage in speculation and crime in Russia, sending non-acid money to their republics, Russia has no benefit from it. Is there still a goof country that will launch millions of illiterate and Tajiks and Uzbeks?

      In the USA there is a similar problem with Latinos.
  10. populist
    populist April 11 2016 06: 47
    +7
    Unjust and insulting accusations give rise to quite fair reasoning among the citizens of Russia on exactly where the very Russian world ends, which we must defend at all costs.

    The Russian world ends where there are no Russians; Russian national identity. Then we can talk about Russian interests.
  11. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 11 2016 06: 54
    -1
    Kabardin, in his repertoire, threw biowaste onto the fan, outstripped a fair portion of the site’s readers, and simply the country's inhabitants, and at the end of the article he began to give out geopolitical advice to those who do not really need them.
    There is such an opinion: "every gopher in the field is an agronomist." And to you, Igor, this definition fits quite well.
  12. Dax
    Dax April 11 2016 06: 56
    +17
    It is enough that these ary h., Flooded the entire Don and beyond. Behave to say rude - do not say anything .... And crime - guess who more from the visitors, who consider themselves masters?
    1. kepmor
      kepmor April 11 2016 11: 17
      0
      And where do the "brave" Don Cossacks look?
      What are they, the owners of the Don land, endure the Khachikovsky chaos?
      Or these "mummers" can only drink vodka and bawl songs?
      Why moan and whine?
      Or maybe just one place "bench press" does? Or did the Cossack army have no fighting spirit?
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 11 2016 14: 11
        +1
        Quote: kepmor
        And where do the "brave" Don Cossacks look?
        What are they, the owners of the Don land, endure the Khachikovsky chaos?
        Or these "mummers" can only drink vodka and bawl songs?
        Why moan and whine?
        Or maybe just one place "bench press" does? Or did the Cossack army have no fighting spirit?


        But I think so if you read the directive of the executioner of the Russian people and the scum Sverdlov in my opinion of 1919 "on the total extermination of the Cossacks" as a class when the insurgent Cossacks with children, old people and women were subjected to genocide, then you will understand
        1. kepmor
          kepmor April 11 2016 14: 48
          0
          As always, the Jews and the Masons are to blame for all our Russian troubles ... well, the "sooooo correct" and most importantly "comfortable" position!
          And the "uncle from the side" should come and put things in order on their land, so what?
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 40
            0
            Quote: kepmor
            As always, the Jews and the Masons are to blame for all our Russian troubles ... well, the "sooooo correct" and most importantly "comfortable" position!


            By the way, the word "Masons" is written with one letter "C"
  13. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 11 2016 07: 07
    +5
    It seems that the author makes excuses, they say they drank together, but they went to work separately. Moscow had to put pressure on both opponents and force it to peace, there is a good chance. No good that someone was fluttering at his side. There should be peace around Russia, because war is drugs, weapons, gangs, etc. and at our borders.
  14. Basil50
    Basil50 April 11 2016 07: 09
    +5
    * Young * but very proud democracies are afraid to build their state without enemies and heroic victories. Does autonomy imply responsibility? And then right away, RUSSIA * must *, but no, it just * is obliged * to help fulfill our dreams, but how offended.
  15. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 11 2016 07: 13
    +7
    Article plus. Russia should (?) Intervene if they attack Armenia. If Armenia attacks, then this is its problem.
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 11 2016 07: 15
    +13
    Donbass is a more Russian region than half of the regions of the Russian Federation. These are Russian people and a thousand-year history.
    Asia? ... Far in culture (albeit ancient, hardworking) region ... It is useless to unite with them. Friendship-trade - "yes". To the author - "+".
  17. Darkness
    Darkness April 11 2016 07: 16
    +15
    I live in a small town near Moscow.
    Over the past five years, probably, the number of Armenians and Azeris has increased to incredible sizes. And interestingly, most with Russian citizenship 2013-2016 year of receipt.
    The brave Armenians fled ....
  18. Stas157
    Stas157 April 11 2016 07: 18
    -1
    For such individuals, at one time they came up with the apt expression “both the flyer and myself”, now, unfortunately, forgotten.
    The style of writing this article just resembles that same leaflet. Although I agree with the main provisions, I did not like his attitude towards the audience:
    In fact, a true patriot should not eat what television and network “experts” offer, but think with his mind what is good for the homeland and what is not.
    After all, he himself, Igor Kabardin, is just right for the role of this "network expert"!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 11 2016 07: 36
      +5
      Quote: Stas157
      After all, he himself, Igor Kabardin, is just right for the role of this "network expert"!

      And indicates that for a long time it is necessary to use their brains, and not borrowed from the Internet.
      Moreover, the information will also have to dig. For all news agencies obviously, if not lying, then at least withhold some of the information.

      I do not think that his position is wrong.
      1. IS-80_RVGK
        IS-80_RVGK April 11 2016 09: 23
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And indicates that for a long time it is necessary to use their brains, and not borrowed from the Internet.
        Moreover, the information will also have to dig. For all news agencies, if not obviously lying, then at least withheld part of the information.

        I do not think that his position is wrong.

        I wonder what other wonderful discoveries we should expect from Kabardin in another article. smile
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 02
          +3
          And without him, no way?
          For example, type in a search engine "Armenia NATO", and you will look at much of what is happening in the Transcaucasus from a completely different angle.
          1. garnik64
            garnik64 April 11 2016 15: 06
            -2
            Or Armenia - CSTO.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 11 2016 15: 44
              +1
              What is the CSTO? Don't need these tales ...
  19. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm April 11 2016 07: 24
    +20
    I remember the 90s, the collapse of the USSR. The wife of a Soviet Russian officer with children flees by train from a Central Asian republic while her husband was there with a part and a Caucasian conductor harassed her last night. A refugee teacher from a Central Asian republic whose husband was torn apart by a crowd on the street because he Russian. Tajikistan, where the Russians were killed and driven out of their homes, and they slept on the floor because they regularly shot at the windows.
    1. regdan
      regdan April 11 2016 09: 07
      -8
      Do not lie. I myself from Central Asia, was born in Turkmenistan. On trains, Caucasians never worked as guides.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 11 2016 09: 47
        +5
        Quote: regdan
        On trains, Caucasians never worked as guides.

        You are, to put it mildly, wrong.
        1. regdan
          regdan April 11 2016 10: 37
          -1
          I’m not mistaken, and not mildly, I’m not mistaken at all. Trains traveled through Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, throughout Central Asia and Kazakhstan and everywhere the guides were local residents ...
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 April 11 2016 15: 08
          -2
          I also come from Turkmenistan, mostly Russian women, I have never seen Caucasians.
  20. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 April 11 2016 07: 53
    +3
    To defend not to defend CSTO partners, the rhetorical question is, first of all, it is necessary to assess the geopolitical situation and analyze whether our economic interests exist in these countries and draw conclusions based on these data ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 11 2016 09: 19
      +8
      Quote: Vladimir71
      Defend not defend CSTO partners rhetorical question ...

      I will express my vision of the CSTO, this organization is actually based on Russia, and in fact the rest of the members of this organization participate in it only on paper. For example, in Belarus Lukashenko passed a law according to which the Belarusian military cannot participate in military operations abroad. True, when in 2010 a friend of Rygorych Bakiyev fled from Kyrgyzstan to Minsk, Lukashenko called on the CSTO to send troops and return Bakiyev to power on the bayonets of the CSTO troops, while making a reservation that he would not allow Belarusian mothers to cry for their dead sons. Russian or Kazakh mothers naturally did not interest him. When the Russian SU-24 was shot down and the Russian pilot and marine died, which of the CSTO members openly condemned Turkey, only Armenia, well, there are no options, for example, Lukashenko sent condolences to the people of Myanmar on the occasion of those who died from a landslide, cynicism, yes and only the rest also escaped with the "silence of the lambs." You can, for example, imagine that Kazakhs or Kyrgyz will protect Armenians from Azerbaijanis, never again.
      One sees such a picture, friends go, here one of them is attacked by hooligans, and only the Russian Vanya boldly comes to his defense, and the others go aside, shuffle their legs and say: “Van, when you protect us, don’t forget us, because we are they can also attack, because we know you will help, we have the CSTO.
      1. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 17: 42
        +1
        which of the CSTO members openly condemned Turkey, only Armenia, well, there are no options

        That is yes. It should only be taken into account that Armenia, without our plane and before our plane, quite regularly condemned Turkey for something. So, Armenia has one more condemnation - one less - does not play a role.

        And the second one. Do you remember what joy was in the Armenian Internet sector after the news that the Turks shot down our plane? Yes, condolences were certainly expressed - but the joy in fact was enormous.
        we warned the Russians ....

        Russia will now be obliged to turn to Armenia again ...
  21. Saffron
    Saffron April 11 2016 07: 56
    +2
    They are accustomed to shouting "hey, you are not a good person" from behind the big guy, but they do not understand what the big guy sometimes thinks about whether he should get involved with him
  22. oracul
    oracul April 11 2016 08: 05
    +7
    The fact that most of our fellow travelers (real allies are not visible) long for Russia to have preferences for all occasions is a fact. If the United States offers more, they won’t think for a long time. We have to endure. Remember: a bad world is better than a good quarrel. Only we must not forget that Russia has its own interests and this should be guided.
  23. tundra
    tundra April 11 2016 08: 10
    +8
    Quote: Aleksandr1959
    This is to be expected. The Armenian diaspora, who lives quite comfortably in Russia, is not eager to fight for Nagorno-Karabakh.

    They are strong in buying, they are buying up land in our south, they are building apartment buildings, then people who bought these apartments have a real headache. And with this without a flag and without a homeland, do not hesitate, God forbid, something is wrong with us in Russia and these will rush further, around the world, to poke something.
  24. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 11 2016 08: 17
    +2
    Quote: populist
    The Russian world ends where there are no Russians; Russian national identity. Then we can talk about Russian interests.

    I agree.
    But for a start, it would not be bad at all to define what "RM" is. So many meanings and concepts are embedded that sometimes it seems that everyone is talking about different things. For some it is a revenge for the USSR, something supranational, for others a purely national framework, for others it is a purely ideological substance, for the MIKHANs it is just an excuse to once again shrink into their "patriotic" puddle. And is it necessary to attach someone to it apart from desire?
    1. MOTHER
      MOTHER April 11 2016 08: 33
      -1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      Quote: populist
      The Russian world ends where there are no Russians; Russian national identity. Then we can talk about Russian interests.

      I agree.
      But for a start, it would not be bad at all to define what "RM" is. So many meanings and concepts are embedded that sometimes it seems that everyone is talking about different things. For some it is a revenge for the USSR, something supranational, for others a purely national framework, for others it is a purely ideological substance, for the MIKHANs it is just an excuse to once again shrink into their "patriotic" puddle. And is it necessary to attach someone to it apart from desire?

      Kicks, you reason not bad, but again they lift me up .. And why are you so partial to me? laughing
    2. IS-80_RVGK
      IS-80_RVGK April 11 2016 09: 30
      +1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      But for a start, it would not be bad at all to define what "RM" is. So many meanings and concepts are embedded that sometimes it seems that everyone is talking about different things. For some it is a revenge for the USSR, something supranational, for others a purely national framework, for others it is a purely ideological substance, for the MIKHANs it is just an excuse to once again shrink into their "patriotic" puddle. And is it necessary to attach someone to it apart from desire?

      It is all at once. Because the Russian World is for the Truth. smile
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 11 2016 10: 04
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK
        Russian World is for the Truth.

        and non-russian?
        1. IS-80_RVGK
          IS-80_RVGK April 11 2016 10: 52
          +2
          Quote: Pinky F.
          and non-russian?

          Are you anti-Semite?
    3. garnik64
      garnik64 April 11 2016 15: 14
      -1
      Mikhan and Vatnik are two colorful forum users. Without them, boring in VO.
  25. Qyomur
    Qyomur April 11 2016 08: 27
    +3
    I just want to express my opinion, which in principle reflects the opinion of so many of my countrymen. Of course I’ll grab the cons, but nonetheless.
    So in order.
    Not all Armenians developed Russophobia. Most had only 2 questions:
    1 - Why is Russia selling arms to Azerbaijan, being confident that it will be used against Armenians?
    2 - Why, from the very beginning of the hostilities, did Russia have only sluggish comments, instead of harsh diplomatic interference (even by pressure on both sides of the conflict)?
    On the first question, the following.
    When at one time there was information about the sale of offensive weapons to Azerbaijan, indignation began both in the people and in power circles. In response to this, there were assurances that these weapons would not be used against the Armenians. Then the question arose, and then against whom? Iran? Russia? Georgia? Yesterday I watched Soloviev’s program. He also asked how to answer this legitimate question. And the most annoying thing is that after all these events, Rogozin puts out a message that Russia will continue to supply arms to Azerbaijan, and after a while it erases it, although too many people have already read it and many have creaked. So people have questions of various kinds. Now put yourself in the place of the Armenians and understand what, where, when. I will not give examples; fantasize yourself.
    On the second question.
    Russia considers Transcaucasia a zone of its exclusive interests (if we speak the language of diplomacy). Nevertheless, from the very beginning of hostilities there were only sluggish statements about concern. In Armenia, no one demanded Russian intervention by military means. There were only jitters from such an attitude. The countries that I hate, even those countries, have reacted much more quickly and diplomatically. In the future, the actions of Russian officials were not equivalent in relation to both countries. To my deepest regret, the attention to Baku was much more pronounced. Of course it's a shame that a strategic ally behaves this way.
    To summarize.
    I repeat that NOBODY demanded military intervention from Russia, as many here shout. This is a blatant lie. Yesterday I took part in a march dedicated to the memory of the dead. It was attended by members of the youth public organization (I do not remember what it is called) of Russian-Armenian friendship. Many members of this organization have Russian roots like myself. And you know, I’ll tell you, many Russians here have the same questions for Russia and the same sincere bewilderment.
    That's all, I will not enter into disputes, respond to comments too. I just wanted to express an opinion and no more.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 11 2016 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: Qyomur
      1 - Why is Russia selling arms to Azerbaijan, being confident that it will be used against Armenians?

      Business. The seller does not care how the enduser disposes of the goods. Not us - so the Turks or someone else.
      1. IS-80_RVGK
        IS-80_RVGK April 11 2016 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: Pinky F.
        Business. The seller does not care how the enduser disposes of the goods. Not us - so the Turks or someone else.

        This is too primitive. Although to some extent true.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 07
          +3
          Absolutely not true.

          Again, we type in the search engine "arms sales to Azerbaijan" "Armenia Association Agreement". And we think.
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    2. regdan
      regdan April 11 2016 09: 11
      -3
      I completely agree. I'll even add I'll go to the Armenian and Azerbaijani forums and start writing "Why does Russia not help to defeat the enemy" and there will be such a Kabardin with his rotten opinion ...
    3. nekot
      nekot April 11 2016 09: 23
      +6
      Quote: Qyomur
      The countries that I hate, even those countries, have reacted much more quickly and diplomatically.

      It is funny that, according to news agencies, a truce was achieved precisely with the help of Moscow. Everyone lies? And what does it mean stronger diplomatically? And what is the more explicit attention to Baku, taking into account the same propaganda in the Russian media regarding Azerbaijan, which is being incited by Turkey?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: nekot
        Everyone lies?

        They basically do not pay attention to this. 8)))
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 11 2016 09: 47
      +3
      Quote: Qyomur
      So in order.
      Not all Armenians developed Russophobia. Most had only 2 questions:
      1 - Why is Russia selling arms to Azerbaijan, being confident that it will be used against Armenians?
      2 - Why, from the very beginning of the hostilities, did Russia have only sluggish comments, instead of harsh diplomatic interference (even by pressure on both sides of the conflict)?

      ... Syria - this time!
      ... Ukraine is as much as two times!
      ... Transnistria is already three ...
      ... Nagorno-Karabakh (bang-bang ...) is this ...?
      Sound familiar?
      ... or Russia, like a monkey, to burst, or something !?
      ------
      But weapons are sold because there is a buyer - a responsible state person who publicly and officially, including repeatedly assuring in writing that he never ... in any case ... no, no ... ... and te ... .
      Well, so what is lying?! ... Everyone lies - Armenia simply does not have enough money to buy the same ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 11 2016 10: 08
        +5
        Quote: CONTROL But weapons are sold because there is a buyer - a responsible state person who publicly and officially, including repeatedly assuring in writing that he never ... in any case ... no, no ... ... and te ... So what’s lying?! ... Everyone lies - Armenia just doesn’t have enough money to buy the same ...

        Absolutely agree. Add, as they say, my five cents.
        And why should Russia be sure that weapons will be directed against the Armenians? Weapons are acquired in order to preserve the independence of the state, right? Why, if one state is arming itself, but the other is not, then apparently it is either sure that it will not be attacked, or that it will be protected. Excuse me, why should Vanya protect those who don’t scratch their defense? Buy weapons from us, please.
        If we don’t sell it to Azerbaijan, then this country will buy it elsewhere. And, there are experts from those places, and then the base. The Aliyev clan, for now, is vitally interested in cooperation with Russia, but what if they have a different president? Do you think this will make it easier for the Armenians?
        I doubt it. ISIS, shmigil, or something similar, like, like the NKR Armenians?
        So, I repeat, if Armenia is an adult country, then it should act in an adult way. No money, be interested in something else. We, unlike the United States, do not throw our own (sorry for the expression), but we also do not want to be mugs. Enough.
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 April 11 2016 10: 42
      +7
      Quote: Qyomur
      1 - Why is Russia selling arms to Azerbaijan, being confident that it will be used against Armenians?
      2 - Why, from the very beginning of the hostilities, did Russia have only sluggish comments, instead of harsh diplomatic interference (even by pressure on both sides of the conflict)?

      1. Russia will not sell, others will sell! And why should Russia lose money by refusing to sell weapons to Azerbaijan? Can Armenia compensate for this with its purchases?
      2. I suppose that most likely Putin’s consultations with Aliyev and Sargsyan dampened the severity of this conflict. And as I understand it, Russia took upon itself to defend Armenia in case of an attack on Armenia itself, and Karabakh is not recognized territory.
      1. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 22: 50
        0
        And as I understand it, Russia took upon itself to defend Armenia in case of an attack on Armenia itself
        And then only in the event of an attack by a country that is not a member of the CIS. And Azerbaijan is in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).
  26. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 11 2016 08: 30
    +6
    What is the Russian world that needs to be protected at all costs?

    This is, first of all, the Russian spirit of Russian power!
    While this will not be, then under this slogan the Russian world will spread rot.
    Watch TV, where rootless cosmopolitans rage ...
  27. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 11 2016 08: 30
    0
    ISIS and other comrades who, having devoured Assad, would have trampled on the Caucasus and Central Asia, a very real threat. We can fight, and for the most part carry out an almost range bombing in Syria, Assad is, as it were, a legitimate ruler. In the Donbass, yes, mines are deep, r-times and tanks with crews from militias are being dug up, but it is legally impossible to send troops into Ukraine without starting a war.

    And who are the Armenians? Well, yes, no one. However, in a number of situations there is no particular choice, the same Tajikistan has practically no army of its own, and without Russian troops through it they will trample from Afghanistan such a shot that few will see it.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 11 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      In the Donbass, yes, deep mines, r-times and tanks with crews from militias are digging out, but it is legally impossible to send troops into Ukraine

      Yah? Polite people are concentrated at the border, polite planes fly along. Referendum. 97% of Donetsk residents are FOR. And no war. Scenario 14th year. But someone did it after the Crimea.
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  29. MOTHER
    MOTHER April 11 2016 08: 43
    +4
    Here are some interesting facts: Armenia seems to be a small country (compared to its neighbors), but the number of employees of the US embassy (about a thousand) is the largest among these countries and Kerry met with Aliyev in Azerbaijan, two days later hostilities began in Karabakh ... Interesting alignment turns out!
  30. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 11 2016 08: 45
    -1
    Half of the comments again went to the side of discussing the mercantile merits of the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, "dy-go-to-the-market-look." A question to such commentators: and vegetable markets are part of "RM" or some Armenian / Azerbaijani exclave inside it? It seems to me, "Come on, bays to me, like the Armenian bombards plow the Bolshoi Theater .." - this is not quite appropriate.
  31. then
    then April 11 2016 08: 58
    +5
    The author accurately noticed that after some statements a wave of Russophobia rose. It seems to me that the mishandled Cossacks, who have nothing to do with the Armenians, have run up, the main thing is to fan the flame of hatred. You don't need a knife for a fool ...
    1. nekot
      nekot April 11 2016 09: 37
      -7
      Quote: sedan
      It seems to me that the mishandled Cossacks, who have nothing to do with Armenians, have run up, the main thing is to fan the flame of hatred

      Correct idea, and Kabardin is just one of the first such Cossack women, only from the supposedly "Russian side". The author of the article is engaged in demagogy on the topic of the inadequacy of the CSTO countries and the uselessness for Russia to help anyone outside the Russian world (can anyone, by the way, clearly define these limits geographically?), Using as a seed assertions about the wave of Russophobia in Armenia. By the way, is there any confirmation of these facts, although this is not important for Kabardin, the main point of the article is that Russia should return to the state of the 90s, when it couldn’t do anything on its own and surrendered everyone.
  32. NACC
    NACC April 11 2016 09: 04
    +10
    How many do not help do not come on, one damn Russian bad.
    1. MOTHER
      MOTHER April 11 2016 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: kaik
      How many do not help do not come on, one damn Russian bad.

      This is what you have spoken to ... They love the extreme of us! And the memory of many peoples is short ...
  33. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 11 2016 09: 06
    +18
    1992 Leninakan (Gyumri). Problems with everything, including food. Bread according to coupons. I'm in the service. My wife is waiting in line with her baby for bread. Not only does no one skip, the queue comes up, the seller does not see it at close range and says "we come in large numbers here, we ourselves do not have enough bread." And whose bread did they eat? am
    The time has passed. I no longer hold evil, but I have drawn conclusions. Friendship and fraternity are verified in difficulties and trials, and not in oaths and assurances.
  34. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg April 11 2016 09: 09
    -2
    Although everything was wrong at 08 08 08, the Azerbaijanis probably know what will happen when they attack the Russian military base. While our troops are in Gyumri, the Armenians have nothing to fear.
  35. kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote April 11 2016 09: 44
    -5
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Quote: Qyomur
    1 - Why is Russia selling arms to Azerbaijan, being confident that it will be used against Armenians?

    Business. The seller does not care how the enduser disposes of the goods. Not us - so the Turks or someone else.

    Liberal. Even the Americans did not begin to sell weapons to Azerbaijan.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
      Even the Americans did not begin to sell weapons to Azerbaijan.

      Did the Azerbaijanis ask?
      But the Americans did not hinder Israeli supplies. As a result, Azerbaijan did not go old, as it did to Russia.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 11 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Did the Azerbaijanis ask?

        requested. Through its lobby in Washington (there is one, it turns out). Air defense and technical defense systems.
        Quote: Spade
        But the Americans did not hinder Israeli supplies.

        and South African.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 58
          +1
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Air defense and technical defense systems.

          I don't know about air defense, and the Americans are not particularly petty about it, about anti-tank equipment ... It's not funny. Even deeply pro-American Poles also preferred Israeli "Spikes" to American "Javelins"


          Quote: Pinky F.
          and South African.

          They are not so much tied to the United States. In South Africa, Americans hold on to the economy only the local branch of BAE
          1. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik April 11 2016 18: 02
            +2
            By the way, these spikes are what you need ... and in general these 3 days of the war did not make bad advertising for Russian and Israeli weapons.
      2. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik April 11 2016 17: 59
        +2
        Here's someone to explain why we need expensive and low-quality American weapons. Yes, they eat a lot of cool, but they don’t sell good to us ...
    2. Seal
      Seal April 12 2016 22: 55
      0
      Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
      Liberal. Even the Americans did not begin to sell weapons to Azerbaijan.

      Well yes. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one.
      The members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees:
      - by international affairs (House of Representatives and Senate),
      - by external appropriations (House of Representatives and Senate)
      And the leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate.
  36. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 11 2016 10: 01
    +8
    Quote: EvgNik
    Why do they not want to rebuild their country, why do not they want to live in their homeland?


    Ask them the question "What is the national symbol of Armenia?"
    99% will answer - Ararat.
    The next question is "How did you manage to describe ... the national symbol?" enrages them.
    They consider themselves a great nation. Russians (in their hearts, of course) are despised.
    So those are still friends.
    The country is not rich. The only source of income is cognac.
    So they go ... There, where is the money.
    Another bad story was told in Vologda about the forest and the Armenians who escaped from the first war. But I will not rekindle.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 11 2016 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      99% will answer - Ararat.

      I doubt it. Maybe Kim Kardashian’s ass? laughing
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 51
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Why do they not want to rebuild their country, why do not they want to live in their homeland?

      Ask them the question "What is the national symbol of Armenia?"
      99% will answer - Ararat.
      The next question is "How did you manage to describe ... the national symbol?" enrages them.
      They consider themselves a great nation. Russians (in their hearts, of course) are despised.
      So those are still friends.
      The country is not rich. The only source of income is cognac.
      So they go ... There, where is the money.
      Another bad story was told in Vologda about the forest and the Armenians who escaped from the first war. But I will not rekindle.


      All true.
      Armenians go where the ass is warm. And let the Russian Slavs with the Turks and Finno-Ugrians fight for them.
      And by the way, the behavior of these "poor, runaway relatives" in Russia is very far from normal.
    3. Roman 11
      Roman 11 April 11 2016 19: 04
      -2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Another bad story was told in Vologda about the forest and the Armenians

      There are good people in any nation, as well as bad ones!
    4. Roman 11
      Roman 11 April 11 2016 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Another bad story was told in Vologda about the forest and the Armenians

      There are good people in any nation, as well as bad ones!
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  38. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 11 2016 10: 01
    +9
    The conflict in Karabakh broke out during the collapse of the Union and was fired up primarily by those who wanted to destroy the Union. The conflict still carries this destructive charge - there are traits of nationalism on both sides, extreme intransigence and the threat of drawing large countries into the conflict. For political parties on both sides, the conflict is an inexhaustible source of public relations, for governments - fertile ground for the consolidation of society, reckless cheers and patriotism, and to write off all ills on the machinations of the enemy. In Baku, a surge of patriotism, in Yerevan through all local channels, patriotic videos. In social networks, it’s just darkness — it seems that people are practicing — who will dirtier and disgustingly insult an opponent. I suppose that this is mainly done by those who have not seen the war in the eye and are not going to the front at all. I do not want to offend anyone, but comrades on both sides feel fine somewhere abroad (in the same Russia) and are in no hurry to help compatriots. Sincerely sorry for the dead on both sides. In no case should Russia participate in this conflict. To reconcile, to exert political pressure, to come to an agreement - as much as you like, to defend Armenia in case of aggression - certainly, but in no case to take part in this crazy massacre unleashed by the foolish nationalists in the name of their selfish goals with active help from behind the hill.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 17
      +4
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      and it was primarily fired by those who wanted to destroy the Union.

      I mean, the Armenians? Judging by the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, the vast majority of the inhabitants of this republic were against the Union.
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 April 11 2016 11: 17
        +4
        And the Armenians too. Recently visited a museum in the center of Yerevan. Very informative. Especially recent history is a pity for explanatory tablets in Armenian and English. Attention was drawn to such a photo series - the end of the 80s - crowds of people at rallies, and after the 90s - people saw trees in the city for firewood. Democracy - it is like that.
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      3. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 11 2016 15: 55
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        I mean, the Armenians? Judging by the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, the vast majority of the inhabitants of this republic were against the Union.


        I confirm.
        The very first advocated the destruction of the USSR.
        And as they are from a great mind, they took and closed the Abovyan NPP built for them by the Soviets. And left without electricity.
        It's simple, well, take and saw off the branch on which they sat
      4. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 22: 58
        0
        I mean, the Armenians? Judging by the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, the vast majority of the inhabitants of this republic were against the Union.

        Republic of the Baltic states, Moldova, Georgia and Armenia generally ignored the referendum on the preservation of the USSR.
  39. Humpty
    Humpty April 11 2016 10: 02
    0
    It is because of such reasoning, a citizen of Kabardin, our country collapsed. Seem to think you are smarter than a long line of kings and general secretaries. Doesn't it seem that with this article you have shit in the souls of many millions of Russians of several generations, who by themselves, by their labor, sweat and blood have created "unnecessary Georgians / Tajiks" for Russia. Solzhenitsyn is your guru.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 11 2016 10: 35
      +6
      Labor ... Then ... Blood ... And collapsed. As soon as labor, sweat and blood for some of the "title" was not enough for a comfortable living according to their concepts.

      Right Away divorce and bedside table between beds holding a referendum on independence instead of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR. And we are building to a new feeding trough with the "proud and independent" Baltic Tigers in the forefront.

      There is such a city in Russia, Toropets. There was filmed in 2002 the series "On the other side of the wolves" with the late Galkin. About the times immediately after the war. Why there? Because there was no need to spend money on decorations, the city has not changed much since those times. It seems that there was not enough sweat and labor for him. Although it was notably washed with the blood of the Slavs ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty April 11 2016 12: 07
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Sweat and labor on him, apparently, was not enough. Although the blood of the Slavs nobly washed him ...

        The main problem of our people now is not "roads and fools" (infrastructure), but demography.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 11 2016 13: 51
          +1
          Are you sure that the situation in the Russian province, due to which the outskirts were raised by sweat, labor and blood, does not affect the demography?
          Question: at what age does the average child from the city of Pupkinsk who left for a good life in the regional center have a first child? About 30 years old?
        2. Roman 11
          Roman 11 April 11 2016 19: 01
          0
          Quote: Humpty
          demography

          I agree.
  40. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 11 2016 10: 03
    +1
    "Today, the Russian Federation is in a much more vulnerable position than the Russian Empire a hundred years ago. The resource base has also been catastrophically reduced. For the most part, we are no longer not only a great power, but we do not even have a middle country." - And here the author should have written in more detail. - What is this more vulnerable position? Which resources have been reduced? And by what criteria and indicators, he lowered our country to "medium size".
  41. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 11 2016 10: 10
    +4
    Quote: 34 region
    Astronomer1973! 06.41. Send them back? Then come to work with us! It is beneficial for us. You work for a penny. Now back? First invite, and then send ?! They themselves will not develop their economy. We, too, cannot develop at home. What to do? Ask for help from the west? Let them pull them up economically? Yes, it seems we see how the West is successfully pulling up in the Stone Age. Let them kill each other? Let’s fence them and wait for someone to survive?

    And what does Russia and the economy have to do with it, which they cannot develop? And why did they decide that we cannot develop our own without them? That is, the aliens "brothers" are developing our economy? In the markets and in shops, engaging in "speculation", oh, the repurchase of goods! Let them kill behind the fence? But somehow they solved their problem, calmed them down diplomatically, without a single loss of blood for our soldiers. And you probably yearn for the introduction of troops? Will you go yourself? Or your kids? So let's-FORWARD !!!! (Yes, for reference, he himself was repeatedly involved in hostilities) But "those who raise the economy", they ran to defend their great Motherland? No? Or rushed to abandon everything? Oh, how can the Russian economy live without them !!!!!
  42. Turkir
    Turkir April 11 2016 10: 27
    +4
    Some time ago, during new clashes in Karabakh, what was to be expected happened. First, in blogs, and then more publicly, in newspaper articles, individual Armenian observers began to ask questions: “And where is Russia? Why do we need an ally who does not help? ”

    I have not heard that Armenia officially recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as its territory, i.e. part of Armenia.
    Nagorno-Karabakh - is an unrecognized state.
    I repeat - Armenia did not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as its territory. The Russian Federation is not bound by treaties with Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Claims to the Russian Federation are unfounded and based on emotions, and not on knowledge of international law.
    ---------
    Kabardin did not answer the question that he himself had raised at the beginning of the article.
    Everything else is general reasoning not related to reality. Sorry.
  43. VSkilled
    VSkilled April 11 2016 10: 33
    +4
    Sorry for the intolerance, but I don’t have the slightest sympathy, neither for the Armenians, nor for the Azerbaijanis.

    The era of "proletarian internationalism" is over.

    Therefore, I believe that now is a very convenient moment to "clean up" both diasporas "at the root."

    Let them go home, and - fight each other "to the last" Armenians with the Ayzer.

    These thieving hucksters of Russia did not bring anything good and will not bring. Hotbeds of ethnic crime.

    Those who will remember the heroes and marshals of the Soviet Union on both sides of the conflict - let them "walk in the woods": the Union no longer exists, just as there is no Stalin's grandfather who is able to keep these "hot guys" in a strict collar.

    Too much stink towards Russia on both sides. Let them fight.

    Bloodletting is an unpleasant thing, but, unfortunately, sometimes it is necessary to bring someone "to their senses" and teach them to appreciate and respect true friends.
    1. infarct
      infarct April 11 2016 22: 22
      0
      Excuse me, but who is the real friend of Russia?
      and the phrase "marshals of azerbaijan" is not and never will be.
  44. iouris
    iouris April 11 2016 10: 46
    +1
    "Russkiy Mir" is a propaganda fiction, which is designed to explain the absence of subjectivity of the states of the former USSR after 1991. The last real "Russian world" is the USSR. The pulling away of the united economy of the USSR to the corners led to its degradation, the formation of "national elites" oriented "abroad" and hiding capital in offshore areas. The degradation of the economy demanded that the social problems of the population be explained by the intrigues of external enemies. If we leave everything as it is, the forthcoming change of "elites" will launch "national cadres" into orbit that are not connected either with the USSR or with the Russian language (including in Moscow).
  45. atamankko
    atamankko April 11 2016 10: 54
    +4
    Former republics of the USSR for some reason believe that Russia owes them something,
    you wanted independence - you got it, now you are independent and demand
    everything you want from your power
    not from a neighbor, although big and good.
  46. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 11 2016 11: 08
    -2
    The author calls other people
    with extremely limited intellectual abilities, or banal provocateurs, moreover, provocateurs of the worst kind.


    And he himself demonstrates the same thing. The way he talks about whom Russia should help and who does not show demonstrates a complete misunderstanding by the author of geopolitics.
    And here everything is obvious. When it comes to the security of its own borders, Russia should be guided by a simple principle: either you will help a neighbor stop enemies on the neighbor’s borders, or you will have to stop enemies on your own borders. Elementary safety belt.

    Now, for example, Russia is paying for the violation of this principle in Ukraine: if Russia had actively supported its supporters in Ukraine at the time, and thereby would not have allowed such a rampant Russophobia (in extreme cases, it would have balanced the Russophobia with its supporters), now if there were wars on its border with Ukraine, and millions of Ukrainians would not flee to Russian territory and shells would not fly. In the worst case, the war would be in Galicia (away from the Russian borders) and there would not be that mass of refugees in Russia, or maybe sanctions, and in general the situation in the world would be more favorable for Russia.
    Ultimately, it would cost much less than what Russia is spending and losing today.

    And, by the way, what the "Russian world" is, the author did not formulate, but actively argued on its topic. And the term "Russian world" needs a serious decoding: what is it, where is it and how this world differs from another world.
    1. Seal
      Seal April 12 2016 23: 00
      0
      And here everything is obvious. When it comes to the security of its own borders, Russia should be guided by a simple principle: either you will help a neighbor stop enemies on the borders of a neighbor, or you will have to stop enemies on your own borders. Elementary safety belt.
      So why do not we help the neighbor with whom we have a common border ?
  47. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha April 11 2016 11: 31
    0
    Everything is right from one point of view and not right from another on the issue that Russia defends something that does not belong to it. Let us give an example: Turks occupied Armenia, the republics of Central Asia occupied Afghan hordes with the Turks. And where are the Turks and Afghans and there is the USA, the West. What do we get at our borders? NATO bases. Another thing is that the Armenians seem to be snickering, considering us so obliged for our military base on their territory, and therefore believe that their rash steps, as well as from the Azerbaijanis, led to a mutual war. No, if they want to fight among themselves, fight, but without us. For us, that Azerbaijanis, that Armenians are equal
    1. infarct
      infarct April 11 2016 22: 17
      -2
      You don’t know well the Armenians, and what you did for the Russians. Just look on the Internet and everything will be clear.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 11 2016 23: 29
        +2
        The Russians did everything they could for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
        But no power in Moscow can allow them to slaughter each other.
      2. Seal
        Seal April 12 2016 23: 02
        0
        http://rosgeroika.ru/geroi-nashego-vremeni/2013/july/lejtenant-shapovalov-oruzhi
        ya-ne-predal

        http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/history/author/single.htm%21id%3D10317984%40fsbPublication
        .html

        http://ok.ru/group/56690877464622/topic/62375996042030

        http://www.rusrepublic.ru/2010-01-06-00-08-43/64-772002/502-2011-05-19-18-33-39
  48. Jagermeister
    Jagermeister April 11 2016 11: 46
    +1
    Armenians are our old and natural allies.
    I still remember how the democratic front of Azerbaijan in Baku smashed not only Armenians but also Russians, including military families ...
    1. iouris
      iouris April 11 2016 23: 31
      0
      Your memory is short. For all the "democratic" movements in the USSR, thank the traitors in Moscow. There is blood and "peace" prizes on their hands.
    2. Seal
      Seal April 12 2016 23: 04
      0
      Armenians are our old and natural allies.


      http://rosgeroika.ru/geroi-nashego-vremeni/2013/july/lejtenant-shapovalov-oruzhi
      ya-ne-predal
      http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/history/author/single.htm%21id%3D10317984%40fsbPublication
      .html
      http://ok.ru/group/56690877464622/topic/62375996042030
      http://www.rusrepublic.ru/2010-01-06-00-08-43/64-772002/502-2011-05-19-18-33-39


      And at least one example of alliance will not please ? Well, not those when the Armenians helped us free them, the Armenians, from the Persians or protect them from the Turks.
  49. koshmarik
    koshmarik April 11 2016 11: 58
    +1
    As they say - everything is according to plan. The United States, through the hands of Turkey, is creating another zone of tension along Russia's borders. We have taken measures, I think everything will work out. I’m more worried about the complete inaction of our partners in the CSTO, SCO, BRICS, Union State, Customs Union, well, there’s still little things. Absolute silence in Ukraine, Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Turkey, Karabakh. Maybe they’re just not up to date?
  50. Ancient hun
    Ancient hun April 11 2016 12: 47
    +1
    It would be time for Russia, both the state and the people, to understand that there are no allies for genetic or religious reasons! And do not take alliance emotionally! That would not be disappointed, then / now. Qualify allies not by the degree of kinship, but by the degree of devotion!
    Where is the "Slavic Brotherhood"? Let's take a look at the map, Serbia, Belarus ?!
    Where is the "Orthodox world"? ... Serbia, Belarus !?