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Will the German "cruisers" go to storm Kaliningrad?

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Without unnecessary noise and emotion in the shipyards of Germany, the construction of the first of four newest class destroyers "Baden-Württemberg" ends. These are real monsters by the standards of the Navy of the country, having a displacement of 7200 t. For example, the American cruisers "Ticonderoga" have 9600 tons. The first German “cruiser” will be commissioned already this year, presumably in November. The emphasis, as in the case of earlier frigates of the class “Saxony”, is placed on a powerful anti-aircraft defense. However, we will consider not the ships themselves, but the political consequences of their appearance in the Baltic, which will inevitably come and very soon.




For example, it is not difficult to link the novelty of the German Navy with recent statements by the former US Ambassador to the Russian Federation, Michael McFaul, about the desirability of returning Kaliningrad to Germany, as well as many other events that have taken place around the Russian half-clique recently. A complete list of these events can be found on the Web by setting the appropriate time interval. One thing is clear - military clouds are gathering over the Baltic bastion of the Russian Federation.

For reference, the German Navy today is the 6 submarine; 3 air defense frigate; 7 multipurpose frigates (three of them will replace the four destroyers of the class "Baden-Wuerttemberg"); 5 Corvettes; 4 rocket boats and 15 minesweepers. Attention is drawn to the large number of large supply vessels, five of which have a displacement from 14 169 thousand to 20 240 tons. In general, in the supply courts, Germany already surpasses Japan in number, although it is behind the UK with its Royal Fleet Auxiliary.

For the Germans, Königsberg is even more a symbolic place than for the Russians - Crimea. This city from 1525 to 1701 was the capital of all of Prussia, and Prussia, as you know, later became the core of the German association. After the Second World War, in 1947 (March 1), the Prussian state as a source of “militarism and reaction” was liquidated by the Allies, and Koenigsberg became Kaliningrad, but historical the memory of the heirs of the Reich, of course, is difficult to cancel. And the true attitude of the Germans from time to time makes itself felt. So in 2010, one very influential newspaper “Bayernkurier” placed an advertisement on its pages inviting “to visit East Prussia occupied by the Russians”. And this is only one of the most scandalous examples. Needless to say, even if Germany officially recognized the Kaliningrad affiliation of the USSR only in 1970, and even then with a number of conditions.

It should also be remembered that Berlin, a quarter of a century ago, abandoned the purely defensive concept for its armed forces, having had time to actively participate in punitive actions against Yugoslavia and the occupation of Afghanistan. In the Russian establishment, blinded by oil and gas profits, these significant facts were preferred not to be noticed, and the “political analysts” on television screens did write about the benefits of the mythical German-Russian union.

The German fleet, with a slightly reduced total number of ships, still represents a very formidable force, and it was sharpened precisely under the blockade and capture of Kaliningrad, for there can be no other target for such large naval forces. Germany does not have overseas possessions or large foreign bases for the defense of which a similar fleet would be required. She does not have large remote islands, like the Swedish Gotland or the Danish Bornholm. Of course, we can assume that Berlin built such a fleet to participate in expeditionary missions within NATO, but here something does not fit. For expeditionary forces large landing ships and / or aircraft carriers / helicopter carriers are needed. Not one such ship is listed at Deutsche Marina, although it would not be a problem to build it for such a country. Consequently, the potential target is somewhere in range and for coastal airfields. You do not need to be a big mind to understand what this goal.

Why does Germany need such an adventure? In fact, this is certainly not an adventure, but a very specific geopolitical calculation. Europe's largest economic power is facing a dead end in its development. The potential from the emotions of combining 1990 year has passed. The economic effect of the opening of the markets of the former socialist camp also exhausted itself. And then there was the new barbarians from the Middle East ...

Against this background, the return of the old capital and the restoration of Prussia at its base may be the impetus for a new upsurge of German self-consciousness and military power. At the expense of Russia and on its fragments. Such an option would suit America completely, for Germany in Washington has long been prepared for the traditional role of a European troublemaker in opposition to an overly independent France and Great Britain. No wonder the French and British politicians figured in the recent Panama dossier, but for some reason the Germans did not. This is also a signal for those who can see. *

But for the success of such an invasion, it is imperative to remove Moscow from the game, which can be done only if the federal government collapses in the Russian Federation. Here it is necessary to refer an inquisitive reader to extensive materials on the Web about separatist sentiments, which have long been gaining strength in the Russian half-clique. The reasons for separatism are purely economic. Many elements of everyday life do not compare even with similar indicators in neighboring Poland and Lithuania, not to mention Germany. With the development of the economic and political crisis in mainland Russia, the slogan “Stop feeding ...” can take very, very many to the streets. It is clear that such a scenario will greatly facilitate the implementation of the most radical scenarios for the Germans.

So the emergence of as many as possible, and the most powerful destroyers in the Baltic, plus the political background that accompanies them, make experts think. Whether those on whom the adoption of key decisions in the Russian Federation depends is a threat is still an open question. More likely no than yes.



* Along with Germany, representatives of the United States, Canada, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Turkey, Iran, Taiwan, Myanmar, and some others were not mentioned in the dirt. The conclusions are fairly obvious.
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  1. perm23
    perm23 April 12 2016 06: 07
    +39
    As always. If anyone can harm Russia, it is only because of traitors within the country.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 12 2016 06: 39
      +48
      The article, of course, is stupid, since Germany’s capture of Kaliningrad, even in a hangover dream, is not a dream. Most likely, the author simply wanted to emphasize the necessity of updating the shipboard staff of the DCBF. Indeed, besides corvettes pr.20380 there is nothing more or less combat-ready there, and even those are not without flaws request
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 12 2016 07: 00
        +78
        And with Kabardin, it’s all right - to take a far-fetched occasion and declare itself loudly.
        Why shouldn’t the same Germans think about returning Danzig, for example, with the adjacent territories, instead of choosing an inelegant reason for suicide, having demanded something territorially from the nuclear power? There are plenty of territorial disputes and problems in Europe even without Koenigsberg - Strasbourg, the Alps, Silesia, Basques and other Catalonia.
        It is necessary to renew the fleet in the Baltic, but by no means in connection with the "Teutonic threat". As for me, the same Poles are much more dangerous because of the flawed national idea and the paranoid idea of ​​domination "from one to one."
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 12 2016 07: 37
          +23
          Quote: inkass_98
          It is necessary to renew the fleet in the Baltic, but by no means in connection with the "Teutonic threat". As for me, the same Poles are much more dangerous because of the flawed national idea and the paranoid idea of ​​domination "from one to one."

          Quite right, the German fleet, although it is considered the most powerful in the Baltic, is too weak for the blockade of our enclave from the sea alone. Its main task, in addition to assisting in US operations within NATO, is primarily to ensure freedom of navigation, as well as stable and free access of Germany to raw materials and sales markets. After all, the Baltic Sea is a chain of continuous straits that can very easily be closed with powerful navy and aviation.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina April 12 2016 09: 05
            +28
            For the umpteenth time I’m writing that Kabardin is either an alarmist or a mishandled Cossack.
            Either he demanded to send troops to Donbass, and not just troops, but practically the entire Russian army, then to Syria, now 100500 Pskov paratroopers must be urgently sent to Kaliningrad. They have already written about separatist sentiments in Kaliningrad at the same VO, how strong they are and how serious this threat is, it is difficult to judge, living a couple of thousand kilometers away. But the threat of the seizure of Kaliningrad by the German Navy was simply sucked from the author's finger. Right now Putin will sit and silently watch as Garmania will take away Kaliningrad from us ?! I am not a very big specialist in military equipment, but it seems to me that the Kaplibrov missile salvo will neutralize the entire potential of the German fleet, to the level of the plinth! And taking into account the fact that Russia is a nuclear power, all the conclusions of the "afftor" boil down to schizophrenic delirium from ward 6!
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            2. bulvas
              bulvas April 12 2016 09: 40
              +16
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Right now Putin will sit and silently watch as Garmania will take away Kaliningrad from us ?! I am not a very big specialist in military equipment, but it seems to me that the Kaplibrov missile salvo will neutralize the entire potential of the German fleet, to the level of the plinth! And taking into account the fact that Russia is a nuclear power, all the conclusions of the "afftor" boil down to schizophrenic delirium from ward 6!


              The article clearly says:

              But for the success of such an invasion, a prerequisite is the removal of Moscow from the game, which can only be done if the federal government collapses in the Russian Federation.


              If such a collapse occurs, we will not be left alone, I don’t think that we will be limited to the Kaliningrad region

              The Kremlin does not seem to understand this. The creation of the National Guard of Russia (Rusguard) - clearly speaks about this


              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander April 12 2016 10: 10
                +3
                Quote: bulvas
                The Kremlin does not seem to understand this. The creation of the National Guard of Russia (Rusguard) - clearly speaks about this


                In any case, this is a strengthening of Germany, as a result of the Labeled and EBN-m passing the results of the Victory in the Second World War-decisions of the Potsdam Conference on NOT arming Germany.
                Today we are reaping the results of betrayal.
                The fact that Germany, in which case, does not apply to seize the opportunity, there is no doubt, and here the author is right.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 12 2016 10: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  In any case, this is a strengthening of Germany, as a result of the Labeled and EBN-m passing the results of the Victory in the Second World War-decisions of the Potsdam Conference on NOT arming Germany. Today we are reaping the results of betrayal. The fact that Germany, in which case, does not apply to seize the opportunity, there is no doubt, and here the author is right.



                  What difference now, what were the reasons. We must look ahead and look for new solutions.

                  Although the only solution is to restore order in the country, it is necessary to remove all officials who impede development for their own benefit.

                  I would like to hope that the president needed a new National Guard just for this ...

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                3. wasjasibirjac
                  wasjasibirjac April 12 2016 13: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  The fact that Germany, in which case, does not apply to seize the opportunity, there is no doubt, and here the author is right.
                  and which of our neighbors "partners" in the event of the collapse of the Russian Federation will not use the opportunity to grab the "Kemsk volost"? perhaps the Spaniards and the Portuguese, for they are distant and insignificant. the rest will definitely try. conclusion - no need to disintegrate, we must stick together.
            3. dorz
              dorz April 12 2016 09: 51
              +1
              ... it’s easy to connect the German Navy’s novelty with the recent statements by former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul about the desirability of returning Kaliningrad to Germany ...

              Lies. Strengthening Germany is not beneficial to the Americans, as well as the European Union as a whole. Divide and conquer, push the foreheads of the countries and regions of the basis of US policy.
            4. spravochnik
              spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 05
              +17
              Yes, there are no separatist sentiments in Kaliningrad. There were three morons with such statements who regularly received muzzles during their actions, and even they disappeared. There is some dissatisfaction with the inconsistent policy of the central authorities in terms of taking into account the special situation of the Kaliningrad region.
              You need to understand a simple thing - the Germans do not need the Kaliningrad region, which is less than 1/3 of the former East Prussia. If necessary, then all completely. And this is Klaipeda (Memel region) in Lithuania and the eastern regions of Poland. It is advisable to have a direct land connection, which means that it is necessary to return Pomerania, etc.
              The fact that Kaliningrad is written as Kaliningrad on the road signs, but Wroclaw, for example, is indicated as Breslau, eloquently speaks of the vector of German politics in this regard. In addition, the Germans are very actively buying land in Poland in the former German regions.
            5. Pharao7766
              Pharao7766 April 12 2016 11: 08
              +13
              You know what I will say as a resident of Kaliningrad ... The author, of course, spread a panic about the German fleet. For to consider it without all NATO utter nonsense.
              But there is a big BUT!
              The separatist sentiments in the region are indeed artificially fueled, and indeed this is largely due to the region’s economy. (go to any regional site and read the comments for any news, you will see so many liberal hamsters ...)
              I won’t write about what and how for a long time, but my opinion, for a very long time, is the introduction of direct presidential rule in the region, because the fact that effective local managers are doing it already smells like (a long time) lawlessness.
              1. spravochnik
                spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 01
                +3
                I will answer as a former resident of Kaliningrad. Let the authorities first decide on their own position regarding Kaliningrad and deal with their "liberal hamsters" in the government.
                1. Pharao7766
                  Pharao7766 April 12 2016 12: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: spravochnik
                  spravochnik LV Today, 12:01 ↑ New

                  I will answer as a former resident of Kaliningrad. Let the authorities first decide on their own position regarding Kaliningrad and deal with their "liberal hamsters" in the government.

                  ****
                  Victor, I agree. Fish, as they say, rots from the head.
                  But if this fish does not want to lose its tail, then it should start to engage in its limbs ...
                  1. spravochnik
                    spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 17
                    0
                    Only if they don’t figure it out, I’m afraid that things may not reach the extremities.
            6. Idiot
              Idiot April 12 2016 23: 34
              0
              DIANE ILYINA (1): If YOU are really a woman, then you are probably happy in family life, since YOU have time to discuss at this particular forum, incomprehensibly versatile, - serious questions. Yours faithfully...
          2. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU April 12 2016 10: 26
            +2
            Ascetic Long time no see!!! drinks
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 10: 07
          -10%
          And they won’t demand, they’ll just pick up when events like the Ukrainian ones begin in Russia ... Now everything is going to Russia in Russia ... The authorities are constantly discrediting, and there’s nothing to justify in places, Putin - Rotenbergs, Ragozin - apartment for 500 miln, Peskov - watches, Seagull, Matvienko, etc. One gets the feeling that all power is corrupt, and in part this is true ... The people are embittered ... The USA through its funds takes control even of the Russian regional media about the Internet, I don’t even say ... You won’t look back when the uprising breaks out, they hit and in other places ... And in a flash 4 Baltic tanks will turn into 4 tank brigades, and the Germans will enter Kaliningrad without firing a shot ...
          1. gamer
            gamer April 12 2016 23: 15
            +1
            Fuck you guessed it, my dear! I live here and I won’t let the fascists pop into the region!
        3. user
          user April 12 2016 11: 38
          +2
          With the development of the economic and political crisis in mainland Russia, the slogan "stop feeding ..." can bring very, very many to the streets.


          That is precisely for such purposes that the Rosguard is being created.
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 12 2016 15: 15
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          Why don't the same Germans think about returning Danzig, for example, with the adjacent territories, instead of choosing an inelegant reason for suicide, demanding something territorially from the nuclear power?

          I suggest the Germans start traditionally - from Austria. laughing
        5. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad April 12 2016 18: 53
          +1
          take a far-fetched pretext and declare yourself loudly.


          Yes, a strong revelation. So much lies and nonsense in one article - it must be able to. it is pointless to refute - people simply believe in everything, then the facts will not help, it’s a diagnosis.

          Interestingly another - who are all the people who put the article "+"?
        6. Dart2027
          Dart2027 April 12 2016 20: 04
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          Why don't the same Germans think about returning Danzig to themselves, for example, with the adjacent territories

          And this is not so impossible. The Poles have recently forgotten the story and can run into.
      2. code54
        code54 April 12 2016 08: 08
        +6
        It would be better indeed to read about the ships themselves !!!
      3. gergi
        gergi April 12 2016 08: 13
        -7
        Such boats are not being built for the Baltic puddles. It will be a little crowded there. Drown quickly. They need ocean space. This is a hint to pin.do.stanu that it is time for them to x ... Like, we don’t need you anymore. Occupants, get out!
      4. Achilles
        Achilles April 12 2016 08: 28
        +4
        The author went over something with the invasion of Kaliningrad, as far as I know, we have anti-ship missiles there and there are still Iskanders who can destroy the entire German fleet, in any case they will not turn up, just there’s not enough darling
        1. lysyj bob
          lysyj bob April 12 2016 10: 00
          +12
          Kaliningrad Oblast is only one third of East Prussia. Two thirds are given to Poland. Claiming Russia will have to do the same for the block ally. Without this, the ideological component of the reconstruction of Prussia as the core of a united Germany would not work. The conflict within the US bloc will not be allowed. This can lead to the collapse of their offspring in Europe. Germany will not fight with Russia without support from overseas, and she will not receive such support, because in the event of a conflict with NATO, Russia will first have to level the strongest member of the bloc, and the states are not ready for this. And in any case, a conflict within the bloc does not make sense without a conflict with Russia. There will be no military conflict. But the fleet and ground grouping must be kept in readiness. But all of the above does not exclude other methods of pressure, but it will grow.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 10: 16
          -11%
          They will not storm it, but simply block it from the sea and enter by land through Poland ... All this will begin after the overthrow of power in Russia ... Preparations for this are in full swing, as is the pulling up of arms to our borders in a circle from the Baltic to Asia and Japan ... In the USA in 6-8 years at the existing production rate, oil will run out completely !!! And they appointed us as their prey, and they will distribute part of the pieces to their vassals so that they also try better ... And they should make a provocation. to justify the invasion of Russia - as simple as that ... for example, such - after the coup in Russia, it is not able to control its nuclear weapons and therefore the United States decided to take control of it, otherwise Russian terrorists will kill everyone ... And a flock will attack us dogs like a driven bear in the face of all US vassals from Germany and Japan to Georgia and the Baltic states ... And the United States will make a mortal shot ...
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 28
            +4
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            And they do a provocation. to justify the invasion of Russia - as simple as that ... for example, such - after the coup in Russia, it is not able to control its nuclear weapons and therefore the United States decided to take control of it, otherwise Russian terrorists will kill everyone ...

            In the 90s already tried under this pretext. How did it happen? We don’t want to, and they can’t.
          2. gamer
            gamer April 12 2016 23: 18
            0
            And here is the first alarmist found!
          3. Weyland
            Weyland April 13 2016 02: 26
            0
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            And a flock of dogs will attack us like a driven bear in the face of all US vassals from Germany and Japan to Georgia and the Baltic states ... And the USA will make a mortal shot ...


            If it was a stigma in the 90s, now they will not take any chance!
        3. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 12 2016 10: 17
          +6
          Quote: Achilles
          Something the author went over with the invasion of Kaliningrad

          Look at the name of the author. He, IMHO, in life .. went through laughing
        4. Stas57
          Stas57 April 12 2016 10: 47
          +2
          Quote: Achilles
          The author went over something with the invasion of Kaliningrad, as far as I know, we have anti-ship missiles there and there are still Iskanders who can destroy the entire German fleet, in any case they will not turn up, just there’s not enough darling

          what it might look like:

          In "pseudo-realia" * of course it will be like in one big Brest fortress - everyone will slip around Moscow, but ours will fight back for a long time and heroically, there will be many prisoners and civilians.
          Of course, ours will have time to shoot at them with what they need and where they should from the Iskander, the fleet will not go anywhere and will be flooded according to the old Russian tradition (the day before on the canal, directly opposite Catherine, the Panama container ship under the Liberian flag accidentally gets out of control blocking all the exits), on the beaches of Baltiysk, reckless marines will be sapper shovels chopped with all sorts of NATO marines, scattering scraps of their meat on white quartz sands with amber chains. Don helicopter pilots will probably have time to fly away, but not far, Mamonov’s artillerymen will shoot at the inhabitants of Braniewo, and the Guards Air Defense Forces, as well as the Air Defense Forces from Frishe Nerung, will manage to bring down many people and the NATO airplanes will smoke falling into the cold black waters of the Baltic ... well such a terrible dream.

          Of course, she would delay both time and effort so that everyone could run to the subway, and whoever did not have time to run or there was no metro in his village, he gathered all the sheets in organized columns and moved towards the nearest cemetery. (I can climb especially high and prepare lenses and filters for fixing the rarest physical process - - uncontrolled process of the release of a large amount of thermal and radiant energy as a result of a nuclear fission chain reaction or fusion reaction in a very short period of time).

          * but in real life, I hardly imagine a non-nuclear end to a conflict like "Hummers in Kaliningrad" (c), so sorry,
          here such a stupid alternative has turned out, everything as Igor Kabardin loves.
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 18
            +1
            You can read this dream in a more literary form in Lugovoy's book "Hot Spring 2015".
        5. gamer
          gamer April 12 2016 23: 17
          0
          And s-400 too!
      5. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 10: 00
        -4
        The article is very correct !!! Germany will not capture Kaliningrad right now, but when events like the Ukrainian ones start in Russia ... Novalny, Kasyanov and other nits get money for that ... Now the legitimate authorities in Russia are being discriminated against, funds from the USA are taking control of our regional Media, etc. These NATO wolves and their slaves are preparing to tear Russia to pieces ... While we are laughing at 10 tanks in the Baltic, they are pulling troops to our borders from all sides, and anyone can wait for a provocation from them ... In the Baltic, who thought these tanks? Are there exactly 4, not 400? And they can prepare for example such a provocation - a coup in Russia and announce that Russia is not able to control its nuclear weapons, and this is 4500 warheads, so we must urgently take control (occupy) Russia - and everyone will swallow and no one will be outraged ... They blew up their 3000 citizens in the twin towers, shot down a civilian plane over Ukraine !!! Nothing will stop them ...
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 12 2016 10: 22
          +3
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          The article is very correct !!! ... a coup in Russia and it will be announced that Russia is not in a position to control its nuclear weapons, and this is 4500 warheads, so we must urgently take control (occupy) Russia

          paranoia is contagious. laughing The Kremlin needs to urgently change its strategy! We need to learn from Kroshka Una - to threaten the Germans with a preemptive strike, presenting Kabardian delirium as an argument !!!! What the Germans are there! To everyone!
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2016 10: 47
            +1
            Paranoia? The United States killed its citizens by blowing up the twin towers in order to justify the invasion of Aganist ... The United States told the world about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and invaded there ... The United States led the Maids and displaced power in Ukraine ... The United States shot down through Poroshenko the civilian side, as they began to sympathize with the Donbass militia in Europe, the United States has bases around the perimeter of our country, the United States is building the Aegis system and pumping neighboring countries with our equipment ... Here everyone neighs that there are 4 Abrams tanks in the Baltic ... And their Did you think anything? Are there exactly 4, not 400? Take a look now at these Abrams - often they don’t even write numbers on them ... Germany, Japan, the EU, the Baltic states, Georgia - all are increasing the arms of their countries ... Why? Money nowhere to go? What if this happens? What then?
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 12 2016 11: 06
            +5
            Quote: Pinky F.
            threaten the Germans with a preemptive strike, presenting Kabardian delirium as an argument

            Imagine how unsuspecting Germans get stiff from this .. belay
            1. the villain
              the villain April 12 2016 21: 52
              +2
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Imagine how unsuspecting Germans get stiff from this ..

              Yeah, and, like, "What are you doing ??? After all, when you renamed Koenigsberg to Kaliningrad, we were FOR two hands"
        2. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 20
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          In the same Baltic, who considered these tanks? Are there exactly 4, not 400?

          I thought they were transporting them under the windows.
        3. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 59
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          While we are laughing at 10 tanks in the Baltic

          And we are doing it right. In Latvia, in Adazi, where these warriors are stationed, locals regularly beat the Americans face. They are not dangerous, but those politicians in the power echelons of Russia who have green eyes.
        4. larand
          larand April 12 2016 17: 51
          +2
          yeah, in this situation it is better for us to "overdo it than not do it." And we have some kind of indifference. For example, there are a lot of openly Russophobic sites in the regions of the Russian Federation, to which there is no government, since they are allegedly not registered as mass media. Svyaznadzor disowned them and slops in the Russian Federation with calls to overthrow the authorities are pouring around the clock not from foreign countries, but from local spills. Played out on freedom of speech.
      6. bogdan4ik
        bogdan4ik April 12 2016 10: 28
        -3
        Read carefully - if Moscow is eliminated. That is, in the case of a coup, which is not far-fetched.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 12 2016 10: 37
          +1
          Quote: bogdan4ik
          in case of elimination of Moscow. That is, in the case of a coup, which is not far-fetched.

          not far-fetched? laughing Have you thought of Kabardin, co-authors?
          Quote: bogdan4ik
          Read carefully

          I’ll not even get a grasp of this nonsense.
      7. Alex777
        Alex777 April 12 2016 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Baden-Württemberg class destroyers

        Quote: Wiruz
        The article, of course, is stupid, since Germany’s capture of Kaliningrad, even in a hangover dream, is not a dream. Most likely, the author simply wanted to emphasize the necessity of updating the shipboard staff of the DCBF. Indeed, besides corvettes pr.20380 there is nothing more or less combat-ready there, and even those are not without flaws request


        To begin with, the Germans themselves believe that they are frigates.
        RCC - 8 pcs. There is nothing to strike at ground targets like Harpoon or Caliber.
        One air defense and 4 landing craft. Plus the concept of interchangeable crews.
        Even from 155mm guns and then refused. She then wedged, then missed)))))
        Why attack the shore?
      8. alpamys
        alpamys April 12 2016 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        The article, of course, is stupid, since Germany’s capture of Kaliningrad, even in a hangover dream, is not a dream. Most likely, the author simply wanted to emphasize the necessity of updating the shipboard staff of the DCBF. Indeed, besides corvettes pr.20380 there is nothing more or less combat-ready there, and even those are not without flaws request


        some sort of order is direct on the intensity of relations between Germany and Russia, here on the site there are delusional articles about the capture of Kaliningrad by Germany, in the German press yesterday it came out that Putin, through the network of Russian hand-to-hand fighting clubs "System", is training a hidden army in Germany, rallying all former airborne troops around him and SpetsNaza bSSSR.
      9. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 12 2016 14: 38
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Most likely, the author simply wanted to emphasize the necessity of updating the shipboard staff of the DCBF. Indeed, besides corvettes pr.20380 there is nothing more or less combat-ready there, and even those are not without flaws

        This primarily indicates the speedy updating of our fleets and the quick, if possible, commissioning of new ships, as well as the acceleration on the design of destroyers Leader, with the advent of which, many heads in the west will cool.
      10. larand
        larand April 12 2016 15: 28
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        The article, of course, is stupid, since Germany’s capture of Kaliningrad, even in a hangover dream, is not a dream.

        And in what hangover dream in the fall of 2013 did you see the situation in dill in February 2014? The saying is "never say never"
      11. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 12 2016 17: 10
        0
        These new German frigates in terms of their strike capabilities are precisely our corvettes and correspond, obviously not against Russian ships.
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 April 12 2016 10: 49
      +1
      The Germans are invaders? Let them protect their women from migrants first, and then come ... let's talk from the old memory ...
      1. alpamys
        alpamys April 12 2016 11: 31
        0
        Quote: marlin1203
        The Germans are invaders? Let them protect their women from migrants first, and then come ... let's talk from the old memory ...

        Germans are waiting for the order, everyone is ready wink
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 12 2016 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: alpamys
          Germans are waiting for the order, everyone is ready

          Europeans have always been short of memory ... apparently they can’t live without lyuli from Russian Ivan. Keneksberg is our land, as well as the Kuril Islands. The Keneksberg is then Iskander, and apparently, after the Ball and the Bastion, the Macedonians will be put on the Kuril Islands.
    3. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 April 12 2016 12: 58
      +1
      As a resident of Kaliningrad, I’ll say that there is no separatist sentiment, and there’s nothing to seize from us, the whole old city was broken, and in its place there are Khrushchev’s, the author simply got stuck or something
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 12 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Well, besides Kaliningrad, there are other cities (Sovetsk, Chernyakhovsk, Gvardeysk), but something has been preserved there.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 12 2016 22: 38
      0
      Very good curious. The nation of warriors, in fact, our cousins, with whom Russia could keep the rest of Europe in check, was forced to wear American diapers that absorb even the subtle highlight of the nation’s spirit! What kind of assaults? What are you talking about? It is already understood by the Germans themselves that the spirit of their nation without Russia will never be reborn. For without a spirit, a nation is necessarily someone's colony.hi
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 April 13 2016 07: 44
      0
      Everything is not correctly arranged in the article. Such a powerful new generation ship is not for the Baltic. It is an ocean zone combat ship. Look at the tonnage. If you look closely, you can clearly see Germany coming out on top of the countries of continental Europe. Under the cries of our liberals about Russia's best friend, Germany quietly and not noticeably began rearmament. Air Defense Ship Don’t tell, are the Germans really so stupid. German ships always had means of attack and, by the way, not bad. Apparently, the time has come to spread the wings of the military-industrial complex to the complex. They deftly apply the same tactics as we do. The jet is all collapsed. .Powerful economy In Europe, it took up that favorite thing that it always has been. Not long ago, the United States began to attract Germans to its expeditions to establish Democracy outside the country. A student studies diligently under the approval of his older brother. Forgotten in vain. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan small steps in the shadow of a big brother.
    7. karpah
      karpah April 13 2016 16: 22
      0
      But if we assume that Germany will offer the population of Kaliningrad German salaries and pensions and social programs, and then hold a referendum on joining Germany? It will be very difficult to resist this, because an iron precedent has been created with Crimea ...
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 12 2016 06: 09
    +4
    And then the German cruisers stormed little. The results are true ... but this is a different matter and have nothing to do with the topic.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 12 2016 08: 55
      +4
      Well, straight "Ships are storming the bastions"! Ushakov did it, but the Germans have little guts!
      1. the villain
        the villain April 12 2016 22: 02
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        "Ships are storming the bastions"! Ushakov did it, but the Germans have little guts!

        Moreover, if such an unlikely turn happened, IMHO, there will be another picture - "Ships vs" Bastions " hi
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 06: 11
    +22
    Will the German "cruisers" go to storm Kaliningrad?
    Kabardin in his repertoire ... so why are there such provocative headlines? who needs it? After all, stupidity is utter!
  4. MARGADON
    MARGADON April 12 2016 06: 13
    -2
    They dug deeply. For Germany, Kaliningrad is a tidbit, but our General Staff is sure not to be asleep.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 12 2016 08: 57
      +6
      Quote: MARGADON
      For Germany Kaliningrad a tidbit

      where did you get this? From social networks?
      1. IS-80_RVGK
        IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 09: 03
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        where did you get this? From social networks?

        Kabardin writes.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 23
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK
          Kabardin writes.

          ahhh ... Well, it's the same thing.
          Last December, he yelled that the Finns were about to annex Karelia. And he was very sorry "that Moscow did not react to such a direct challenge" (c).
          Hysterical woman.
          1. IS-80_RVGK
            IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 09: 31
            +9
            Quote: Pinky F.
            ahhh ... Well, it's the same thing.
            Last December, he yelled that the Finns were about to annex Karelia. And he was very sorry "that Moscow did not react to such a direct challenge" (c).

            Finns of Kabardin, they saw, they read, they understood that the plan was open and decided not to risk it.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 36
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK
              Finns of Kabardin, they saw, they read, they understood that the plan was open and decided not to risk it.

              gee..By the way, he "revealed" the intentions of the Finns, arguing with the purchase of leopards-2 from the Germans.
              nota bene: if someone somewhere buys or builds something shooting, he is clearly preparing to chop off a piece from us. Total Achtung.
              1. IS-80_RVGK
                IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 09: 58
                +5
                Quote: Pinky F.
                gee..By the way, he "revealed" the intentions of the Finns, arguing with the purchase of leopards-2 from the Germans.
                nota bene: if someone somewhere buys or builds something shooting, he is clearly preparing to chop off a piece from us. Total Achtung.

                What do you think? Around some non-Martyrs.
          2. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 12 2016 10: 50
            0
            there are some Finns who want to annex to the Urals, and a lot ... and such tanks in such numbers they used to have before
            and from a number of articles of the 1944 peace treaty on non-aligned status and the absence of foreign troops on its territory, Finland recently left
            1. spravochnik
              spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 26
              +1
              Quote: FooFighter
              there are some Finns who want to annex to the Urals, and many ...

              He wanted it before the age of 39, what happened, we know.
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 12 2016 11: 44
                0
                wrote about now
              2. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 12 2016 11: 44
                0
                wrote about now
                1. spravochnik
                  spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 31
                  +1
                  What has changed.
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 24
      0
      Quote: MARGADON
      They dug deep. For Germany, Kaliningrad is a tidbit,

      Yes, no, he is not a tidbit, but pathetic scraps. A tidbit lies in Poland.
    3. gamer
      gamer April 12 2016 23: 27
      +1
      In the ward replenishment!
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 12 2016 06: 20
    +2
    Beautiful boats built by the Teutonic gloomy genius bully
    "Ball" and "Bastion" as friends soldier
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 12 2016 06: 35
      +7
      "Ball" and "Bastion" as friends

      As you will find in Kaliningrad "Bastion", or at least "Ball" - please inform hi
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts April 12 2016 07: 23
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        As you will find in Kaliningrad "Bastion", or at least "Ball" - please inform

        Do you need the exact location?
        Plans, passwords, appearances?
        And "Iskander" is not there either, it's a secret for you hi
        1. Rokossovsky
          Rokossovsky April 12 2016 09: 11
          0
          Do you need the exact location?
          Plans, passwords, appearances?
          And "Iskander" is not there either, it's a secret for you

          Do not write nonsense! Apart from Redoubt, there is nothing there!
          I mean specifically the Kaliningrad region.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts April 12 2016 09: 23
            -2
            They must appear.
            Or in the General Staff Idioluchi sit and listen to your smart head, uttering genius on the go))).
            1. Rokossovsky
              Rokossovsky April 12 2016 09: 37
              +1
              Must appear

              The Ball and the Bastion are absent in the Kaliningrad Region - are you at least able to admit or are you not worried about writing an outright lie ?!
              listen to your smart head uttering genius on the go

              And you are also a boor! Initially, I did not set the cons, but here I'm sorry!
              Happy to stay ...
          2. ARES623
            ARES623 April 12 2016 09: 46
            +1
            Quote: Rokossovsky
            Do not write nonsense! Apart from Redoubt, there is nothing there!

            The Armed Forces of Russia are there, and this is the main thing. The transfer of Iskander by air has been rehearsed for a long time, it is obvious that the Kaliningrad direction is among the priorities, in the same way any group of anti-ship forces will be transferred. There is plenty of information on this. And most importantly, the beginning of the work of the German Navy against Kaliningrad is a world war. Do you think that the "gloomy Teutonic genius" is so crazy that he will risk his place on the map for the sake of historical ruins? Rave! Large ships of Germany are needed to participate in coalition sea voyages led by the United States. Germany is not a sovereign state today and does not implement an independent military doctrine, and therefore will mold what is beneficial to NATO, read the United States, with the proper German zeal.
          3. spravochnik
            spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 28
            +2
            Quote: Rokossovsky

            Do not write nonsense! Apart from Redoubt, there is nothing there!
            I mean specifically the Kaliningrad region.

            Besides nothing, there is C-400 there.
            1. Rokossovsky
              Rokossovsky April 12 2016 11: 48
              -2
              Besides nothing, there is C-400 there.

              We will sink the cruiser using air defense missile systems?
              The original approach! )))
              1. spravochnik
                spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 09
                +1
                This is the question that there is nothing. It will be necessary - will appear. And you know that almost all domestic air defense systems can shoot at land and sea targets.
                And not by cruisers, but by frigates.
                1. Rokossovsky
                  Rokossovsky April 12 2016 12: 29
                  0
                  This is the question that there is nothing

                  I think you understand that the discussion above was about DBK
                  And you know that almost all domestic air defense systems can shoot at land and sea targets

                  I know. In the presence of naval aviation, coastal systems, and other traditional means of destruction, the use of air defense systems on surface ships is doubtful. Don't you think so?
                  And not by cruisers, but by frigates

                  In the article, the new German ships are called destroyers. Sorry for my carelessness. hi
                  1. spravochnik
                    spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 42
                    +1
                    I think you understand that I am about the same. DBK is a mobile thing; if it is required, it will be delivered. By the way, there are older DBKs in Kaliningrad. The presence of a lack of new suggests that at this moment there is no REAL threat from the sea. There will be a threat - DBK will appear.
                    As for the air defense system. The presence of such an opportunity (shooting at sea targets), an additional guarantee. It will be required, they will use this opportunity, especially since the S-400 floor is Amber, practically on the coast.
                    According to the German classification (and not in the article), these are frigates of type 125. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germanys-f125-special-forces-and-stabilizati
                    on-frigates-05119 /
                    1. Rokossovsky
                      Rokossovsky April 12 2016 13: 00
                      -1
                      By the way, there are older DBKs in Kaliningrad. The presence of the absence of new ones suggests that at this moment there is no REAL threat from the sea. There will be a threat - DBK will appear

                      The citizen commenting above claims that new complexes are present. When they showed him back, he began to be rude.
                      In response to your post, I wrote about the shooting of the Triumph on the ships with irony, which I indicated with brackets at the end of the comment.
                      According to the German classification (and not in the article), these are frigates of the 125 type

                      Let them be frigates, I do not mind hi
                      1. ImPerts
                        ImPerts April 12 2016 17: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Rokossovsky
                        The citizen commenting above claims that new complexes are present. When they showed him back, he began to be rude.

                        Take it higher, started trolling.
                        And comrade spravochnik is right to be delivered if necessary. The Germans will finish building the boats, the Russians will deliver the bastion to the ball))).
                        Trying to be clever about whether it is there or has not yet been delivered is an indicator of boring, redneck and childhood. From the category "And you prove it."
                        Therefore, an adherent of mathematical precision ran into rudeness.
                        I bet you can put more 30 rounds in the AKM store))). It is written unambiguously)))
                  2. KaPToC
                    KaPToC April 12 2016 17: 32
                    +1
                    Are they complexes like mobile? It will be needed - they will transfer it.
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  6. VP
    VP April 12 2016 06: 21
    +24
    The article is frankly sucked from the finger.
    And McFaul did not call for returning anything - he had an answer in the form of a counter question, and an air defense destroyer is not the most suitable vessel for suppressing the developed means of saturated coastal defense during a large-scale amphibious operation that there is nothing to carry out, and the German fleet would not even be able to pull such an operation. And the Germans' defense spending is obscenely low for a country with such economic and political influence, and a war with Russia is not the best way to "revive the economy."
    In general, if any Icelanders put anything into the water, I’m expecting an article about their aggressive plans for Murmansk
    1. Jack-b
      Jack-b April 12 2016 06: 27
      +4
      It should be added that the author clearly considers himself smarter than "those who make decisions"
      Quote: Author Igor Kabardin
      Whether those who depend on key decisions in the Russian Federation see a threat, the question is still open. More likely no than yes.
      Although all their recent actions suggest otherwise. Maybe he forgot about the Crimea or Syria?
    2. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 12 2016 10: 47
      0
      By the way, the Kriegsmarine in the Arctic did it ... but what about these cruisers with ice protection?
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 12 2016 10: 54
        0
        maybe again Antarctica was going to divide before WWII, all the more so half of it is already UK on its maps repainted in its union jack
  7. Morf
    Morf April 12 2016 06: 26
    +3
    "... can bring very, very many to the streets ..." - after the events of the last 2 years, I think hardly anyone will lead to sweet stories about future integration with the EU
  8. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 12 2016 06: 33
    +24
    I read the title of the article and the first thought, and not whether Kabardin wrote it. Scrolled and he surely. 5 years assured us that another year and China will attack us, now here are the Germans. Live and cry lol
    I’m not going to read Kabardin anymore — I'm tired of it, the weather in the 50s was predicted more accurately.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 06: 40
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I’m not going to read Kabardin anymore; I'm tired of

      join the coalition! yes
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina April 12 2016 09: 10
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’m not going to read Kabardin anymore; I'm tired of

        join the coalition! yes


        Boys, and take me to the coalition, I also can’t stand Kabardin’s spirit, one whining is continuous! love
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 12 2016 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        join the coalition!

        And take me!

        Divorced here conspiracy theorist-alarmists .. Kabardin all-different, panimayesh ..

        am
      3. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 12 2016 10: 42
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        join the coalition!

        and I.
        And with Kabardino-Balkaria how to be?
      4. Aryan
        Aryan April 12 2016 23: 20
        0
        Here I was secretly whispered from the Foreign Ministry that
        Soon one country will build a whole orchestra of big battle drums and announce the mobilization of drummers, just don't tell the author, otherwise we will have a new wave of "analytega"
  9. itr
    itr April 12 2016 06: 33
    +2
    however Kaliningrad was, we squeezed them out
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 06: 40
      +3
      Quote: itr
      however Kaliningrad was, we squeezed them out

      and what? winked We didn’t start the Second World War ... whoever comes to us with a sword will be left without Koenigsberg ...
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 12 2016 07: 47
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: itr
        however Kaliningrad was, we squeezed them out

        and what? winked We didn’t start the Second World War ... whoever comes to us with a sword will be left without Koenigsberg ...

        We can show the "Hamburg bill". drinks
    2. midivan
      midivan April 12 2016 07: 03
      +3
      however we may recall wink
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 03
        +1
        Quote: midivan
        however we may recall

        recall what? What time to knock out the carpet? Or is there such a city of Zheleznovodsk?
        1. midivan
          midivan April 12 2016 11: 09
          +3
          Quote: Pinky F.
          recall what? What time to knock out the carpet? Or is there such a city of Zheleznovodsk?

          that Germany could again disconnect smile and where did you see the carpet?
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. April 12 2016 21: 26
            0
            Quote: midivan
            that Germany could again disconnect

            funny fantasy. Due to what?
            Quote: midivan
            and where did you see the carpet?

            and what’s the backdrop?
            1. midivan
              midivan April 13 2016 07: 18
              +3
              Quote: Pinky F.
              funny fantasy. Due to what?

              in case of an attack on Kaliningrad, and the backdrop at the wallpaper Yugoslav smile and judging by age, very high quality
    3. IS-80_RVGK
      IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 08: 02
      0
      Quote: itr
      however Kaliningrad was, we squeezed them out

      There are continuous pressed Slavic lands. So, by right of kinship, everything is ours. Therefore, let them not stutter and remember that they are still being tolerated in Germany, but our patience is not endless.
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 12 2016 11: 23
      0
      Everything was with the consent of our allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. And most of East Prussia, by the way, became part of Poland.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 12 2016 06: 41
    +5
    The author thickens the colors on the possible "plans" of the German Navy. It's one thing the chatter of politicians and officials of different levels, another thing is the use of the German Armed Forces against Russia. As much as the Germans would not like to get Kaliningrad, but they perfectly understand that this is not possible. And to fight with our country is more expensive for us. And which of the Germans, even the most terrifying Russophobes, would dare to do this? And they build ships, so what? Many countries are updating their aircraft.
  11. aov
    aov April 12 2016 06: 42
    +1
    Paranoia? Yes.
    The author forgot to add that it is worth the Poles to think ... wassat
  12. Taygerus
    Taygerus April 12 2016 06: 45
    +2
    complete nonsense, the article recalls some elements of fantasy, they mean trample, and Russia means it will look and do nothing in return, put a minus
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 06: 52
      +2
      Kabardin, but weakly move the next article: "Abrams" from Estonia, will make a dash to the Urals? wassat
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts April 12 2016 07: 27
        -3
        Let them do it, they will lose all arrogance on the dancing bridge in Stalingrad))). Sort of like "Donald Cook" swam in the Black Sea))).
        1. Rokossovsky
          Rokossovsky April 12 2016 09: 19
          +2
          Like "Donald Cook" swam in the Black Sea

          Just don’t start a record about Khibiny disconnecting Aegis ...
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts April 12 2016 09: 21
            -1
            It started not me)))
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 43
            +2
            Quote: Rokossovsky

            Just don’t start a record about Khibiny disconnecting Aegis ...

            just don't start a record about: "Just don't start a record about the Khibiny, turning off Aegis .."
  13. Leto
    Leto April 12 2016 06: 53
    +2
    Nonsense, the Germans uprooted the Germans for so many years and if the next adik (who will have to struggle with pacifism for a long time) doesn’t come to power ... nothing bad will happen ...
  14. midivan
    midivan April 12 2016 07: 07
    +3
    Will the German "cruisers" go to storm Kaliningrad?
    the question is, where will the armies and T-90 go to storm in this situation? and how many cruisers are ready to see Kaliningrad, then to see the ruins of Berlin?
  15. Bayonet
    Bayonet April 12 2016 07: 07
    +2
    "Why does Germany need such an adventure?"
    And why is this to Kabardin? To pass off your fantasies as reality, stir up anti-German sentiments in readers? So these "anti" are already above the roof. request
    1. IS-80_RVGK
      IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 08: 05
      -1
      Quote: Bayonet
      "Why does Germany need such an adventure?"
      And why is this to Kabardin? To pass off your fantasies as reality, stir up anti-German sentiments in readers? So these "anti" are already above the roof.

      Strange questions. Here the entire resource is not biased. Ask the owner who he is on the salary of.
    2. demo
      demo April 12 2016 08: 57
      0
      When you sit alone and think: maybe it can be done to me, or this is one thing.
      And when you are in the same Caudle and godfather says it is necessary. then you’ll climb wherever they say, but too smart and reasoning about their own benefits, they quickly lose their heads.
      Why do you think NATO continues to exist?
      To repel Russian aggression? Iran? China?
      And why did Europe join the EU?
      And why are the structures of tough governance of the peoples of Europe created?
      Let us recall the USSR - "Everything is for man. Everything is for the good of man."

      But.
      I saw this man.

      As long as the above structures exist, it is impossible to discount the turn of politics in the direction that is voiced in the article.

      I somehow forgot that the most effective irritant of public opinion is not an internal, but an external enemy.
      Any nation is more easily mobilized to repel external aggression.

      And then think.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 32
        -1
        Quote: demo
        I somehow forgot that the most effective irritant of public opinion is not an internal, but an external enemy.
        Any nation is more easily mobilized to repel external aggression.

        this, of course, is true, but Kabardian paranoia is unlikely to help mobilization. Or at once he would have called on the people of König to stand in line for salt, matches and pipyfax.
        1. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 37
          0
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Or at once he would have called on the people of König to stand in line for salt, matches and pipyfax.

          This is not to Kabardin. The central government will cope with this task much better if it does not stop indulging in the status of the Kaliningrad region.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 45
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      "Why does Germany need such an adventure?"
      And why is this to Kabardin? To pass off your fantasies as reality, stir up anti-German sentiments in readers? So these "anti" are already above the roof. request

      and you did not look at YouTube, about how "we will be captured by aliens" in his forecast? belay wassat
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 53
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and you did not look at YouTube, about how "we will be captured by aliens" in his forecast?

        dalana ... Is he also a ufologist ????
        For 2015, he had planned the opening of large-scale databases in the Crimea.
        And the aliens in his diary for when? Between the assault on the KG Prussians and the fall of Istanbul?
  16. kvs207
    kvs207 April 12 2016 07: 18
    0
    Deutsche Marina
    It seems that the German fleet now is the Bundesmarine.
  17. buywol
    buywol April 12 2016 07: 24
    +1
    a German Navy novelty with recent statements by former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul about the desirability of returning Kaliningrad to Germany, as well as many other events
    And so that such thoughts do not come to mind, we need to develop our Armed Forces and the Navy and not look back while pursuing our policy (and what will they say to us, how will the US or EU react). You need to be independent. Let the dogs bark, and the caravan must go forward. And to clean up various NGOs, foundations working for Western "sponsors". Stalin and Beria are probably turning over in their grave from Navalny, Kasyanov, Yashin, etc. Or we’ll squander Russia.
  18. Aliv
    Aliv April 12 2016 07: 32
    -1
    Even this site is censored. Inconvenient comments are simply not published.
  19. AID.S
    AID.S April 12 2016 07: 37
    0
    Nothing, the cruiser near Koenigsberg was already taking a ram for a check.
  20. Neobag
    Neobag April 12 2016 07: 40
    +1
    The author is escalating! angry
  21. Flinky
    Flinky April 12 2016 07: 42
    +2
    Another ordinary kabardism.
  22. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz April 12 2016 07: 42
    -2
    Quote: Aliv
    Even this site is censored. Inconvenient comments are simply not published.

    If you want to write "inconvenient comments", create your own site and do not meddle with people with a long-standing stereotype.
  23. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 12 2016 07: 43
    0
    For example, it’s easy to connect the German Navy’s novelty with the recent statements by former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul about the desirability of returning Kaliningrad to Germany,

    I suppose that we have enough for these super-ships "Caliber" and something better. There is enough space at the bottom of the Baltic for all of you! By the way, and not only nemchur! laughing
  24. Million
    Million April 12 2016 07: 48
    +2
    Whether those who depend on key decisions in the Russian Federation see a threat, the question is still open. More likely no than yes.

    Perhaps they see. But to see a little, it is necessary to take some kind of retaliatory measures
  25. Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 12 2016 07: 52
    0
    Will the German "cruisers" go to storm Kaliningrad?

    And they can come to you Igor. Even to Chelyabinsk. And knock on the door.
    After all, everyone knows that Kaliningrad is an island, a terrible piece of land in the middle of a raging sea, and only cruisers can storm it.
  26. tundra
    tundra April 12 2016 08: 08
    0
    Do not tell my hooves, the article is about nothing.
    They can’t deal with refugees,
    offer their women to relax and try to have fun.
    Where are the Teutons and where are the current Germans?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 12 2016 12: 12
      +1
      It's right. Germany has few youth. There is no one to fight.
      By the way, in Russia too.
      For this reason, a clash between NATO and Russia is unlikely.
      There is simply no one to mobilize.
      Before the 1st and 2nd World demographic position was
      just the opposite. It was everywhere full of youth. And their easy
      could be processed "for war".
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 45
        +1
        In Germany, if anything, Russia has enough youth.
  27. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 12 2016 08: 10
    +1
    To capture Kaliningrad and the 6th fleet in addition to the destroyers is not enough. And from land who will attack? It’s easier to organize a blockade ... but the EU may lose the Baltic states.
  28. Izotovp
    Izotovp April 12 2016 08: 13
    0
    All those who doubt the reality of such an adventure can first refer to the fantastic book Hot Spring 2015, where the scenario of an attempt to "return" Kaliningrad to Europe is described quite realistically, and then remind about the constant buildup of NATO strike forces in the Baltic and the exercises conducted by them.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 April 12 2016 09: 14
      +2
      Quote: Izotovp
      All those who doubt the reality of such an adventure can first refer to the fantastic book Hot Spring 2015, where the scenario of an attempt to "return" Kaliningrad to Europe is described quite realistically, and then remind about the constant buildup of NATO strike forces in the Baltic and the exercises conducted by them.


      Well yes...
      And to hundreds of thousands of other books written in the genres "Alternative History", "Fantasy", "Popadants in the Past", "Popadants in the Future" - do you want to send us?
      There, all of their children's fears and fantasies - anyone can put on public display.
      So what?
      We perceive this set of flows of consciousness - as a reality chtoli?
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp April 12 2016 10: 31
        0
        I pointed out the reason: the mechanism for creating a crisis and the reason for this are quite clearly spelled out. And it is in Kaliningrad.
        1. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 42
          0
          We read, we know. But taking into account the latest realities, everything looks somehow pale. And the name of the year 2015 speaks about the reliability of the forecast. "
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp April 12 2016 12: 12
            0
            I do not argue. From 2016, see the forecast for 2015 ...))). Nevertheless, the opposition continues to work in the regions and what this work will lead to ... who knows !!
            1. spravochnik
              spravochnik April 12 2016 12: 49
              0
              I read this book, if memory serves, at 13, and even then this forecast caused great doubts. As for the regions, do not worry about those. Behind the Urals.
              1. Izotovp
                Izotovp April 12 2016 21: 32
                0
                I do not argue. And by the regions I meant not only Zamkadye, but also all the regions. Especially in light of the fact that all kinds of NPOs are actively operating there.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 12 2016 15: 38
        0
        Quote: mav1971
        And to hundreds of thousands of other books written in the genres "Alternative History", "Fantasy", "Popadants in the Past", "Popadants in the Future" - do you want to send us?

        "Hammers in Khimki"(tm). smile
  29. zluty
    zluty April 12 2016 08: 15
    0
    I would like an article on the technical plan of the ship
  30. Tanya
    Tanya April 12 2016 08: 30
    +9
    Koenigsberg was even more hell for the Germans than Stalingrad and Prokhorovka. With the difference that this hell was already on their territory. Our grandfathers also had a hard time there. The only city that is not the European capital, for the capture of which a medal was established.
    Koenigsberg Germans will not get back. he is no more. There is Kaliningrad and it is in Russia.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 48
      +2
      Quote: Tanya
      The only city that is not the European capital, for the capture of which a medal was established.

      there is such a medal in storage ... (grandfather)
      1. Tanya
        Tanya April 12 2016 10: 13
        +3
        And mine did not have time to get it. He died in May 45th, although for the capture of Pillau he received a Hero. Kaliningrad will not give up.
    2. alstr
      alstr April 12 2016 10: 26
      +2
      My grandfather also has one. He fought submariners on the Sch-307.
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 April 12 2016 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: Tanya
      Koenigsberg was even more hell for the Germans than Stalingrad and Prokhorovka.

      It’s a little off topic, but Prokhorovka was probably even a big hell, and it is hardly appropriate to mention it as an example of retaliation on a par with Stalingrad.
      In Kaliningrad I completely agree with you. For 26 million lives, Germany Russia owes the next thousand years, and for its saved - the second thousand. My grandfather, commander of a battery of guards mortars, destroyed him as part of the 2nd Belorussian
  31. Saffron
    Saffron April 12 2016 08: 31
    -1
    If they trample alone, without Nata's support, they will shove it away, plus it will be considered an attack on our country with all the consequences, including Iskander.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 12 2016 08: 43
      0
      And they will rake off NATO. A massive landing, only the United States can organize.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 12 2016 08: 43
      0
      And they will rake off NATO. A massive landing, only the United States can organize.
    3. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 44
      0
      Quote: Saffron
      with all that it implies, including Iskander

      Not with consequences, but with departing.
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 12 2016 08: 39
    0
    Well, yes, we won’t be taken by military means.
    But rocking the region in the wake of the crisis is very easy.
    Yes, and you need to understand that none of the major countries will fight directly with Russia.
    And it seems to me that Germany is just updating its fleet.
  33. Cananecat
    Cananecat April 12 2016 08: 50
    0
    Neighing about "enough to feed ...". The trick is that we can say this, the Russian revolt is so Russian ... but we will pull the ears of the external aggressor under the sly. And about the stretch, the West is somehow unaware.
  34. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 12 2016 08: 51
    0
    The Kaliningrad region currently represents the enclave of Russia.
    But this territory does not border Germany either.
    And in order to conquer it, Germany will first have to deal with Poland, the current NATO ally.
    So dreaming, of course, is not harmful ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 12 2016 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The Kaliningrad region currently represents the enclave of Russia.

      if Russia-then half-exclave.
      Quote: Pvi1206
      And in order to conquer it, Germany will first have to deal with Poland

      that's why Kabardin raves about the "strike by cruisers"
      The Baltic paranoids are preparing for the "strike of Moscow", this bucht about the Teutonic march on the KG. Somali pirates inflated a rubber boat - preparing to be thrown on Tortuga.
      Each cheesecake fancies itself a Napoleon cake.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 12 2016 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        . Somali pirates inflated a rubber boat - getting ready for a throw at Tortuga.

        what is there about Tortuga ???
      2. IS-80_RVGK
        IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 10: 12
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        The Baltic paranoids are preparing for the "strike of Moscow", this bucht about the Teutonic march on the KG. Somali pirates inflated a rubber boat - preparing to be thrown on Tortuga.
        Each cheesecake fancies itself a Napoleon cake.

        Terrible people are these journalists. Probably one of them should be formed by the shock detachment. So if Cho in NATO in the Netherlands. The current detachment behind them to put so that from incredible dashing they did not scatter.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 12 2016 10: 48
          0
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK
          Terrible people are these journalists. Probably one of them should be formed by the shock detachment.

          in the sideboard of the House of Journalists on dirty napkins draw ketchup plans for the upcoming apocalypse ...
          Yes, a terrible people ...
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The Kaliningrad region currently represents the enclave of Russia.

      Not an enclave, but exclaveor rather half-exclave.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2
  35. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 April 12 2016 09: 12
    0
    It is necessary to ask the author and the aliens there are not yet threatening Russia?
    Germany, if it even thinks, then the Poles have much more of their land left
  36. Amatar
    Amatar April 12 2016 09: 12
    +2
    The Germans were able and able to build ships. And this one will be handsome too.
  37. rus-5819
    rus-5819 April 12 2016 09: 47
    0
    For example, it’s easy to connect the German Navy’s novelty with the recent statements by former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul about the desirability of returning Kaliningrad to Germany,

    And the United States does not want to return occupied Germany to Germany?
    You get a bagel hole!
  38. Stas57
    Stas57 April 12 2016 09: 50
    0
    but in general another problem, in the event of war, the fleet is locked in Baltiysk
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 50
      0
      The fleet still has Kronstadt, so it’s also up to the Marquis to puddle.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 April 12 2016 16: 28
        0
        From it mines 12 hours puff past hostile NATO Baltic states.
  39. Lincoln
    Lincoln April 12 2016 09: 53
    -3
    Soon the slogan will be about the liberation of the original German so-called Kaliningrad from the invaders, the liberation of the Japanese islands and native Chinese lands of the Far East. Coincidence, I do not think! ;)
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 12 2016 11: 52
      +1
      As well as the slogan of the liberation of Alaska, California and Texas. Coincidence, I do not think so.
  40. Pygmy
    Pygmy April 12 2016 10: 25
    0
    Germany will not attack Kaliningrad, will not be pulled. The only option is the complete collapse of Russia.
    And if you read the specifics: The emphasis, as in the case of earlier Saxony-class frigates, is placed on powerful air defense. These are the air defense / missile defense ships and now such ships are being built by all the Malomali maritime powers, so there is no need to escalate the panic!
  41. Pig
    Pig April 12 2016 10: 30
    +2
    the author clearly has experience in the "yellow press"
  42. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 12 2016 10: 56
    0
    You don't have to think about the boats' there is someone to figure out with them if that. The "white tape" buildup is underway inside the country.
    1. Tanya
      Tanya April 12 2016 11: 09
      +1
      Rosguard to help them. I hope the motion sickness.
  43. iouris
    iouris April 12 2016 11: 09
    0
    Comparing Crimea with Koenigsberg is strong: how to equate the USSR with the Nazi "millennial Reich". But in our troubled time with beer, perhaps, will roll.
  44. Bayun
    Bayun April 12 2016 11: 21
    -2
    I do not understand the minus. The threat is REAL! I recommend my opponents a retrospective: 1913, someone says that in 30 years the German army will be on the Volga. The reaction is LAUGHTER. Year 1983, someone talks about the likelihood of the collapse of the USSR in 10 years. ALL laugh; even the State Department and the CIA.

    Rights claiming that sooner or later the Eurobarmaley will trample on Russia. There is a rumor that Grandma Wang saw the next GERMAN tanks near Smolensk ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 12 2016 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Bayun
      I do not understand the minus

      - minus people know the author of the article for a long time and very well. They also know the value of his "predictions" lol

      Quote: Bayun
      There is a rumor that Grandma Wang saw regular GERMAN tanks near Smolensk ...

      - if you have paranoia, this does not mean that you are not being watched (s)
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 12 2016 18: 25
      +1
      You there in the 1913th tell the Germans that in thirty-two years the Russian army will be in Berlin and Germany territorially and will shrink twice in terms of population, let them neigh.
  45. guzik007
    guzik007 April 12 2016 11: 29
    +2
    may be the impetus for a new upsurge of German identity and military power.
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------
    Cho, cho, cho ?! The most daring and greyhound bearers of the German gene pool quietly rotted on the fronts of the First and Second World War. How was it written by Petukhov? ".. The Turks are beating the Germans, they are running to the Russian quarter to look for protection. Our people will gather - they are going to teach the Turks. And silence for a month or two."
    Self-awareness ... Every young German wants to get a passport and get away with the historical one. What kind of self-consciousness is there.
  46. Evrepid
    Evrepid April 12 2016 11: 34
    0
    As usual, the "gloomy German genius" made a good car.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 12 2016 18: 27
      0
      Monstrous ship with rickety weapons.
  47. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 12 2016 11: 39
    +1
    "The largest European country in terms of economic power is facing a dead end in its development" ////

    This is not true. The Germans are actively selling their products to China, the Far East, India.
    These are huge markets.
    They started "industrialization-4": the transition to fully robotized production,
    which compensates for the demographic shortage of labor.
    1. IS-80_RVGK
      IS-80_RVGK April 12 2016 21: 00
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      They started "industrialization-4": the transition to fully robotized production,
      which compensates for the demographic shortage of labor.

      So the Chinese also started. So it’s a little taut for them in terms of competition. So far, science is pulling them, but what will be the question next.
  48. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 12 2016 12: 14
    0
    In 41 have already tried, so can not only lose Prussia. No need to escalate.
  49. Trophxnumx
    Trophxnumx April 12 2016 12: 25
    0
    Another adventurer writer who was convinced that he can write ... but forgot to explain that the word "write" has a double meaning ...
  50. dvg1959
    dvg1959 April 12 2016 12: 38
    0
    Yes, Russia must strengthen its position not only on external borders but also on internal ones.