Media: one of the groups in Syria has received about 85-ty anti-aircraft missiles

Militants of one of the groups got at their disposal at least 85-ti anti-aircraft missiles, reports RIA News message agency Sputnik.

About this with reference to the recording of the intercepted conversation between the militants told an informed source in Aleppo.

"They got 85 anti-aircraft missiles, 85 heat-guided missiles imported into Syria",

said the source, providing the agency as evidence of the recording of the conversation.

“From the text of the conversation it is not clear where the rockets came from, as well as their modification. We only know that we are talking about one of the groups based in the suburb of Aleppo, "- says Sputnik.

According to the source, “the area in which the conversation was conducted is controlled by militants of the Jaysh al-Fath group”.

According to Wikipedia, “Jaish al-Fatah” (Army of Conquest) is a coalition of militant factions opposing the Syrian government, the largest of which is the Islamist group Ahrar al-Sham. ”

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

[Mountain shooter]

With heat heads? And how does he detect a target at such a distance? While there are no such heads, and MANPADS of such height - no.
The highest is our "Verba", up to 4.5 km in height, 6 - in range.

[Vadim237]

Yes, there are such missiles, for example, IRIS T LS with a thermal seeker in the version of a ground launcher, firing range of 25 kilometers.

[76rtbr]

Well, there the GOS works on the final flight section for maneuvering !!

[Vadim237]

Who said that there the GOS turns on at the final section of the flight.

[igorka357]

Well, I can tell you, and I am the KO of the MANPADS department, in 1999 during the events in Dagestan I was retrained to KO ZU 23-2, I are nine out of ten lowered ITCs with the help of "Needles", I am personally awarded by the commander of the air defense of the 36 ! Damn .. I did not go too far with conceit, do not .. ?

[igorka357]

Of course there is, only the thermal GOS for such missiles is turned on at the final stage! And the detection and guidance on the target, from a serious ground station .. no less seriously trained specialists!

[Vadim237]

What other ground station is an air-to-air rocket.

[igorka357]

Vadim isn’t willing to be rude to you! Did you read an article about how an anti-aircraft missile can be an air-to-air missile? AIM installation, instantly kills the air-to-air formulation in a container! AIM-9X block 2 Sidewinder missile is launched from a multipurpose ground launcher! And this is not equipment in the form of boxes and buttons!

[Vadim237]

Nothing will prevent them from launching such air-to-air missiles from the ground; you only need an optical device to detect, determine the range and direction to turn the missile-based missiles on approaching the target, and the launcher can be done in a makeshift way - the same thing happened in Libya: X 29 missiles from jeeps, in Husita, the Husits ​​use MANPADS Strela 2, Strela 3 against armored vehicles and vehicles, in Afghanistan our helicopter pilots used missiles with TGSN on the columns of militants, namely on machines - for such missiles, wherever you start them from - the main thing would be to field of view of the head hit a heat source.

[Signore Tomato]

Quote: Vadim237

What other ground station is an air-to-air rocket.

Ogh-ogh!
The militants bounce along with the launch container and at the time of the flight, when they jump, press the start button.
Nuacho? Air-to-air, cool!

[Vadim237]

Militants could even deliver AIM-9X with the necessary equipment for launching from the ground.

[igorka357]

Yeah, such small equipment !

[Vadim237]

They can deliver to the truck.

[igorka357]

Why, maybe they already set it up ..)))? And what .. Americans are generous people!

[Observer2014]

Media: one of the groups in Syria has received about 85-ty anti-aircraft missiles
Enough to tear your soul out for this news! What media reported? When? April 1 was not long ago. Here and reprinted each other. What can I say if on VO's website in the floating windows for two days there was info that Russia had thrown Yars there.
Now, when our General Staff officially announces such a fact, then we will discuss it.
Each MANPADS has its own name. And just like that to print anti-aircraft missiles, so what? And if with a greater range than MANPADS, then they do not shoot from the hands. Only from their installations.

[Lukich]

Quote: Observer2014

Media: one of the groups in Syria has received about 85-ty anti-aircraft missiles

this journalistic "about" infuriates me all the time. about, does it mean not exactly ??? it is "about" human lives. and if you don't know exactly why you spread rumors. the journalist is not a grandmother on a bench. it is forgivable to say that I heard something like that somewhere.

[ZKB]

and missiles, missiles, but the plane also has anti-ballistic missiles. not so easy to fill up

[poacher]

Osama lived, is alive, and will live ... until the Yankees play enough with daish, God forbid there and planes are raining down in Europe .. and it looks like a fake, nothing.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The highest is our "Verba"

the highest Swedish RDS-70, it hits 5000 meters

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Алексей_К

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

Where does this infa about the "mobile anti-aircraft complex" come from? After all, this is not one car, there are several of them in the complex, you just can't hide them, with so many drones in the sky of Syria.

[User]

You are right, but there is one point.

It’s not just one car, there are several of them in the complex ...

Not quite true, for example, OSA-AKM or TOR-M2 are autonomous air defense systems and one BM is enough for combat operation (the complex includes TZM, AKIPS, Alignment, etc., but they are needed only for servicing the complex). Both cars are currently in service. In the photo below the OCA.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: User

Not quite true, for example, OSA-AKM or TOR-M2 are autonomous air defense systems and one BM is enough for combat work

Until he shoots his entire missile ammunition, and then what? You can’t charge BM without TZM, therefore all auxiliary vehicles are needed in battle.
And then: hitting the target in height, given by the complex, is not much different from the "Verba" MANPADS:
"Target detection range, (typical aircraft TA), km 45
The boundaries of the affected area: in range, km 1,5-10
The boundaries of the affected area: height, km 0,025—5
The boundaries of the affected area: by the course parameter, m up to 6000 "

[User]

You, in general, highlighted that I wrote:

Quote: User

You are right, but there is one point.

And about your message.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Until he shoots his entire missile ammunition, and then what?

Tell us how long the battery will shoot 24 missiles.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You can’t charge BM without TZM, therefore all auxiliary vehicles are needed in battle.

On one battery goes 2 TZM. Everything. The remaining facilities of the complex remain deep in the rear. The same alignment machines may be one or two and a division. Directly during the battle no one will charge rockets.

This I wrote to the fact that for the combat operation of the C300 or C400 you need at least three separate BM: search radar, tracking radar and the launcher itself. As for the air defense systems that I mentioned - one BM is enough to leave, find and destroy the target. One compared to at least three. Feel the difference?

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And then: hitting the target in height, given by the complex, is not much different from the "Verba" MANPADS:

I know these performance characteristics. That's just for willow range - 6km, the ceiling - 3,5. Tor - 15km and 10km respectively. The difference is more than double! Yes, and to compare MANPADS, which has only a missile defense system and a full-fledged air defense system, can only be a person who has absolutely nothing to do with air defense and most likely the armed forces.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: User

Tell us how long the battery will shoot 24 missiles.

What’s the battery here? We are talking with you about one BM. In general, the conversation began with this:

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Where does this infa about the "mobile anti-aircraft complex" come from? After all, this is not one car, there are several of them in the complex, you just can't hide them, with so many drones in the sky of Syria.

If you are talking about the battery, then thereby only confirm my assumption.

Quote: User

Tor - 15km and 10km respectively. The difference is more than double! Yes, and to compare MANPADS, which has only a missile defense system and a full-fledged air defense system, can only be a person who has absolutely nothing to do with air defense and most likely the armed forces.

I didn't write anything about "TOP" at all.
I did not compare "Osu" and "Verba" in terms of performance characteristics, but only wrote almost the same height of destruction of the target - about 5 km.
If you noticed, then my nickname "SRTs P-15" stands for an abbreviated form: reconnaissance and target designation station. I served as an urgent (1973-75) at the S-125 complex, as an operator at the P-15 station.
Our complex included: P-15, P-12 stations, an antenna post, the main cabin (as we called it), 2 or 3 TZM, four launchers (two missiles each). So, as you can see, I still have little relation to air defense.
Let's no offense! For the sake of reconciliation, I will give you a plus.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

We are talking with you about one BM

Sorry to wet. I will express my opinion.
Even despite the possibility of creating a kind of rocket and artillery fire zone, where 23 mm will work at extremely low altitudes, and at small air defense systems, the actions of the bearded men will be more partisan than "traditional" with logistical and technical support.
Most likely, bearded men will receive intelligence from our overseas partner, withdraw from the air defense system cover, open fire, and try to hide in cover as quickly as possible. The presence of TZM and other auxiliary machines will not allow you to quickly and quietly retreat.
And here for bearded men (read their overseas creators) it is more important not to keep the operational zone, but the psychological consequences for the fired enemy. Even one shot down SAM / airplane / helicopter will do so much to a chipper ...
If successful (God forbid), the intensity of the use of front-line and army aviation will be reduced significantly. For this, even a one-time "action" is enough. Again, God forbid!

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Let's no offense! hi For the sake of reconciliation, I will give you a plus.

It’s expensive to observe such a polite polemic.

[User]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Let's no offense!

I have no grudge against you. I just wanted to say "Eski" are not the only air defense systems, albeit the most powerful. Sometimes only one vehicle can cover the troops moving in a column on the march or directly in the ranks of armored vehicles when attacking.
True is born in a dispute. If I offended you, please forgive me.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: User

True is born in a dispute. If I offended you, please forgive me.

What are you, what an insult! In addition, I served in Belarus, in the Brest region. By the flag, I see that you are from there. Say hello to those places (Mr. Kobrin)! As I understand it, you served or serve in the air defense. Therefore, I congratulate you on our holiday Air Defense Day!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: ARMAT

Yes, he fucked up ... (I’ve been watching him for a long time))) Whiner, State Department

Despite the fact that I also consider the statements of Aleksey_K more often inappropriate than reasonable, I believe that you have no right to show boorish attitude to other forum participants in the comments.
The fact that your opinion differs from the opinion of the interlocutor does not mean that he

Quote: ARMAT

fuck

And in the light of the fact that you wrote the indicated word with an error ... it would be better to say nothing in general.

CAPACITIES: I informed the administration about your violation of the rules of the site. I don’t like a person - bring him in an emergency, there’s nothing to pour insults at.

[Cat man null]

Supplement if you allow:

Quote: Tibidokh

there is nothing to pour insults

- I agree to 200%

Quote: Tibidokh

... you wrote the specified word with an error ...

- the site will not miss without error

Quote: Tibidokh

Do not like a person - bring it in an emergency ...

- Well, I don’t know .. IMHO it’s like to hide your head in the sand, approximately ..

Quote: Tibidokh

... I also consider the statements of Aleksey_K more often inadequate than reasonable ...

Voooot ...

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- the site will not miss without error

So here it is! Cunning (sarcasm) .

Quote: Cat Man Null

Well, I don’t know .. IMHO it’s like to hide your head in the sand, approximately ..

I agree.
I recalled a joke about sanctions.
- Vladimir Vladimirovich, Obama has warned about new sanctions, what to answer? - Write whatever you want, just do not forget that "poxeR" is spelled together, and "black-footed" through "o".

Thus, you don’t naturally need to hide your head in the sand, but you can only insult and humiliate on this site Obama, Merkel, Erdogan, etc.
Notice how in the sentence above Merkel got along between a black man and a Turk? Fallen woman...
This is how you can insult the site, no one will be upset about this.

[hrych]

Quote: Алексей_К

up to 20 km in height at least

Such systems cannot be MANPADS with a height of 1,5-3 km maximum. To defeat at such heights, radar guidance is needed and interception requires trained specialists, and the missile is a full-size missile and requires a launcher. Powers shot down at that height

[Dormidont2]

it is necessary to develop and install defense systems on airplanes, such as active tank defense, for example, 2 robot machine guns to destroy air defense missiles (air-to-air) in the upper and lower hemisphere

[hrych]

Quote: Dormidont2

for example 2 machine gun robots to destroy missiles

In aviation, every kilogram counts, and here also ammunition, it is also extremely difficult to catch a maneuvering missile at a higher speed from a maneuvering aircraft, as long as work is underway against the GOS missiles, they are confused with false targets and obstacles ...

[igorka357]

You think what you’re talking about? Destroy a high-speed rocket with a machine gun)))), this is something from the realm of science fiction!

[mav1971]

Quote: igorka357

You think what you’re talking about? Destroy a high-speed rocket with a machine gun)))), this is something from the realm of science fiction!

You will not believe. but the prior art will easily achieve such a result. if you set a task for him.
I don’t see anything impossible in this particular task.
And I’ll say even more - you can implement it in 3 months.

Laser turrets do exist.
There is not a hover problem. And in the power of the lasers.


rate of fire up to 2 thousand in a single-barreled. up to xnumx thousand at gatling.
The computing power of modern computers is quite enough to miscalculate the required algorithms for calculating lead points.
Mechanical engineering allows you to make high-speed turrets, with virtually no backlash and angle accuracy of zero, tens of degrees.

What is fiction?

[Jack-b]

Quote: mav1971

What is fiction?

In order to fasten such a canoe to the plane. On the ships, then they have been standing for a long time, only you were interested in their weight?

[mav1971]

Quote: Jack-B

Quote: mav1971

What is fiction?

In order to fasten such a canoe to the plane. On the ships, then they have been standing for a long time, only you were interested in their weight?

I don’t see a problem at all.
Counterquestion.
Are you interested in aviation?
Look at the old Tu-16.
More closely.

Now imagine that instead of 23 mm guns there are ultra-fast machine guns in caliber 5.56.
More caliber and not necessary.
Simplified in 5 times less.
You need to do a solid turret module.
Easily removable. Removable.
Serviced not by plane. and in workshop conditions.
Its volume, taking into account the machine gun, mechanisms and drives, the ammunition load on the 3-4, thousands of rounds can be brought to 150, or even 120 liters.
Using all the latest developments in technology, you can bring the weight of the module to 100-150 kilograms.
I do not see any technological complexity.

[Jack-b]

Quote: mav1971

I don’t see a problem at all.

Where do you look at all?
Take an interest in ship systems, the history of their creation, characteristics, problems that were solved during their creation. Then try it all on the plane. And also keep in mind that this is not just a "rapid-fire machine gun" but a system. On ships, for defense from all sides, at least two such systems are installed. How many of these are you going to put on planes?

Quote: mav1971

Look at the old Tu-16.

Are you adequate? Have you seen cannon or machine gun weapons on modern bombers designed at least in the last thirty years? You probably think that the current designers are dumber than their predecessors and especially you? Can you imagine at least some of the threats that were supposed to protect the TU-16 and from which modern bombers?

Quote: mav1971

Are you interested in aviation?

Well, something from the opposite side. I am an air defense reserve officer. Excuse me, what can you brag about?

[mav1971]

Quote: Jack-B

Well, something from the opposite side. I am an air defense reserve officer. Excuse me, what can you brag about?

Well, it’s not worth boasting with your image - it’s worth crying.
You did not have enough brains to see what I clearly indicated to you.
Yes, and minusers as well. The brain is zero.
Unable to see, well, turn on the brain.

But I will say.
On the Tu-16 there were double-barreled DT-V7 and DT-H7-S installations.

Let me remind you. double-barreled 23mm guns, each module on 1400 kg of weight in full ammunition.
Similar, DT-B12 and DT-H12-C stood on the 95's.
I hope that you can still find a picture of the aircraft with two such modules placed on them.
Not for me - for my self-education. What would be ashamed then for the air defense forces. And then they will think that everyone in the air defense boxes is apparently small and nothing fits there.

And the fact that even 10 years ago it was impossible to get a rocket into a rocket is now possible. And not a big rocket. And in the small one it is already possible. and not just possible, but with 0.9 probability.

[Jack-b]

Quote: mav1971

Well, it’s not worth boasting with your image - it’s worth crying.
You did not have enough brains to see what I clearly indicated to you.

With my education, there are just enough brains to understand that one artillery installation will not get off. She still needs to give target designation. And this is a plus radar system, plus ACS.
Here is how it looks in the collection: http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/kashtan-m.htm
At the end of the plate with the mass. Only the mass is given without taking into account the EU, it is believed that it will receive power from the ship network. On the plane, it will be necessary, respectively, to either install additional power units or change the existing one to a more powerful one. Plus, for complete circular protection of such installations, you will need three pieces. And in pursuit. Naval air defense missile systems are designed to counter anti-ship missiles, which have a large EPR and are less maneuverable than missiles used against air targets. In addition, the carrier itself, the aircraft is more mobile than the ship, which will also cause problems.

There are enough brains to master the letters and figure out what it will result in?

[PKK]

Then it’s better to crack from a shotgun on an approaching rocket. More likely to fight back.

[mav1971]

Quote: PKK

Then it’s better to crack from a shotgun on an approaching rocket. More likely to fight back.

We spin further - a gopnik with a baseball bat? Who is next? :)

[Dormidont2]

machine gun of Almaty will shoot down

[zadorin1974]

It is practically impossible to create an active aircraft protection system based on the principle of Afganit or Arena. Most air defense ammunition hit the target with a cloud of damaging elements after remote detonation, anti-aircraft artillery during WWII worked on the same principle (shells exploded at a certain height).

[mav1971]

Quote: zadorin1974

the barreled anti-aircraft artillery during WWII worked on the same principle (shells exploded at a certain height).

Only the large-caliber FOR worked like that.
And then, not in height. and the fuse delay.
Remember, if you want what the quantity of anti-aircraft defense was:
- machine guns (quadruple maxims) forgot?
- 20, 37, 45 mm guns - forgot?
There were just a huge number of them and no explosion in the air ...
Only hardcore hit-to-kill ...

[zadorin1974]

I had in mind large-caliber artillery. By determining the height of the rangefinder, a delay was set on fuses. Amerikosy against Japanese carrier-based aircraft were generally used on cruisers. They were also the first to develop air defense artillery on naval radar with remote detonation of ammunition.

[igorka357]

Oh, a high-ranking man in the campaign! Well, where did the firewood come from, eh? I blurted out without thinking?

[Black Colonel]

No, this is a new word in the active protection of aircraft against MANPADS. I think something is missing on our devices. And it’s won!

[NordUral]

And why not up to 100 mind in height?

[Koshak]

Quote: Алексей_К

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

Do you even know the details? Please share what you got there in your "An-shit" from the fagot.

[dmi.pris1]

Otkel Do you know all this? There is no evidence or attempted use so far.

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Алексей_К

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

20 km.? And from the shoulder ??: Hic ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Алексей_К

This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

Found a new previously unknown novel by Jules Verne?

[n.kolesnichenko]

And where is it written that these are mobile complexes?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Алексей_К

These are not tubes. This is a mobile anti-aircraft complex with missiles up to 20 km in height at least.

(I can’t even comment ....)

[Lukich]

Quote: Алексей_К

These are not tubes.

and they are in tubes. can be called containers in which rockets are placed

[Gray-haired]

"Ivan Vasilyevich sometimes when you speak, it seems to me that you are delusional ..." film "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession." That's how it is, sofa-general! Stop shining with polishing your sonorous skull!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Did you pass them on to their barmaleas? In the article on the type of missiles, not a word or a word, where did you get such awareness?

[ARMAT]

Pinocchio let them work squared ... (air support ..))

[Black Colonel]

But what, Pinocchio can already shoot 30 km?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Black Colonel

But what, Pinocchio can already shoot 30 km?

- not .. Pinocchio - only 6 .. here Cheburator - that daaaa ...

[just exp]

Vitebsk is already standing on our turntables; it must cut off ordinary MANPADS completely.
(Willow against this seems to be protected)

[RUSS]

Quote: just EXPL

Vitebsk is already standing on our turntables; it must cut off ordinary MANPADS completely.
(Willow against this seems to be protected)

The Russian Ministry of Defense in early April showed the combat use of the Mi-28N helicopter in Syria. The “Night Hunter” worked for ISIS fighters near the town of El-Karyatein. A week later, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin published several videos at once with Mi-28N attacks on objects of the ISIS banned terrorist group. The militants did not succeed either in hiding in the buildings or escaping an attack on armored vehicles.
It is worth noting that the helicopter's high survivability in combat conditions is ensured not only due to 10-mm sheets of aluminum, on which 16-mm armored ceramic elements are glued, but also due to serious means of electronic suppression.

Nevertheless, in a commentary on the video posted on the Web, Rogozin promised that the new equipment, weapons, guidance and communications "will be even cooler."
This was confirmed by the CEO of the Helicopters of Russia Alexander Mikheev. In particular, the helicopter will be equipped with the latest airborne defense complex "President-S”, Which will increase protection against defeat by portable anti-aircraft missile systems and air-to-air missiles.

«Installation "President-S" will protect our helicopters from the defeat of the enemy’s MANPADS and ensure a high level of flight safety, ”Mikheev said during a visit to the new Stella-K electronic industry enterprise.

To install an airborne defense complex, he said, is planned for Mi-28NE helicopters in 2017. The need to equip such a complex, according to experts, is associated with an increase in the terrorist threat and the appearance of a large number of MANPADS among terrorists.



Meanwhile, this will only strengthen the competitive advantages of the Mi-28 in the global arms market. Indeed, the “President-S” complex showed its effectiveness during the tests: when the helicopter fired from MANPADS, not one of the missiles hit the target.



"The installation of a modern highly efficient onboard defense system President-S will be carried out not only on new helicopters under supply contracts, but will become an important component of the helicopter modernization program in the interests of foreign customers carried out jointly with KRET," the press service of the Helicopters holding stressed Russia ".

[hrych]

The caravan with these things arrived late in time and actually not so scary. Because our turntables are trying to act from an ambush from unattainable distances, as well as drying bombed from 5 thousand, etc. Or assault attacks at extremely low altitudes, where the enemy only manages to throw AK no more than reserving attack aircraft and helicopters. If we take the records with the defeat of Assad's MANPADS, then there are clearly pilot errors, aviation means must either rise higher, or vice versa lower ...

Here, Asad pilots portray the perfect target ...

[guzik007]

The caravan with these things arrived late in time and actually not so scary. Because our turntables are trying to act from an ambush from unattainable distances, as well as drying bombed from 5 thousand and
-------------------------------------------------- -----
Turntables? With five thousand? Nu-nu. The element of the helicopter and its terribleness for the enemy are precisely low altitudes, which, by the way, are clearly demonstrated by night hunting shots. Have a look.

[hrych]

Quote: guzik007

Turntables? With five thousand? Nude Nude.

With 5 thousand drying, not turntables

[Baikonur]

Quote: guzik007

Turntables? With five thousand? Nu-nu. The element of the helicopter and its terribleness for the enemy are precisely low altitudes, which, by the way, are clearly demonstrated by night hunting shots. Have a look.

More closely! Colleague Hrych wrote: DRY from 5 thousand, but the same thing is written about helicopters as you wrote

Quote: hrych

our turntables are trying to act from an ambush from unattainable distances, ... Or assault attacks at extremely low altitudes,

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir

I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

This group should not be practiced by special forces, but by "strategists". To mix with the earth It is significant.

The Yankees decided to repeat the story with the “Stingers” ???? It is necessary to wean both the Syrian barmaley and the American "hawks" from repeating such stories ....

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

Rather, after additional reconnaissance, the X-555 will arrive, the 111th are expensive, spend them on some kind of gamma. Or calibrated exemplarily. The arsenal is great. But "none of our warriors will die in vain." ... For which I respect the President. I would have run away in the place of local residents before it started.

[ARMAT]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

Rather, after additional reconnaissance, the X-555 will arrive, the 111th are expensive, spend them on some kind of gamma. Or calibrated exemplarily. The arsenal is great. But "none of our warriors will die in vain." ... For which I respect the President. I would have run away in the place of local residents before it started.

Most likely this is as usual ...

[Mavrikiy]

After many, many years, local archaeologists will find strange glass in strange glass. And to hell with her, do we need it? But what I’m sure to find today.

[paxil]

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

I found such a vidyuha, I think there is protection on the turntables.

[GSH-18]

Quote: paxil

I found such a vidyuha, I think there is protection on the turntables.

I talked about this vidyuha on the site last week. She was shown on REN TV. Only many users of the site for some reason did not believe me ...

[sa-ag]

Quote: paxil

I found such a vidyuha, I think there is protection on the turntables.

Interestingly, I suppose that the response will be to upgrade the rocket, so that the defeat is from above like that of Javelin, so that, for example, the rotor on the helicopter and the plane on the plane are struck, the reciprocal active defense will be on the helicopter :-) the next step will be to use the carrier- uterus with three mini-missiles overloading helicopter air defense :-)

[GSH-18]

Media: one of the groups in Syria has received about 85-ty anti-aircraft missiles

From this media should be asked for concepts. Responsible for the bazaar ??!
If so, then the sources and who sold to whom? Where are they taken?
That's how you need to talk, not chew snot. Take the eggs right away! The Americans, when they need them, are not cerimonious, and they do not care about human rights and democracy.
Then the hunt will fall away yodam zrk to sell!

[sa-ag]

Quote: GSH-18

From this media should be asked for concepts. Responsible for the bazaar ??!
If so, then the sources and who sold to whom? Where are they taken?

Well, if the source is foreign media, then they will answer you :-)

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Vladimir

Our guys let them watch out.
I think the special forces will work this group. Not many tubes will work as a result.

Or maybe it's an anti-aircraft missile system IRIS-T SLS with a vertically launched missile with infrared homing head. In the initial part of the trajectory, it is aimed at the target using the Giraffe AMB all-round radar station developed by the Swedish company Saab. This station provides the ability to detect targets at distances greater than 100 kilometers and altitudes greater than 20 kilometers, while simultaneously tracking up to 150 targets.
Why did you decide that the article is about tubes?

[Vadim237]

I wrote about it above - it's vryatly too expensive a pleasure for militants.

[avvg]

In my opinion, the Turks definitely installed. The more terrorists received, the terrorists based in the suburbs of Aleppo, near the Turkish border.

[demo]

"Announce the entire list, pzhlsta! Take your time, I'm writing it down!"

[just exp]

Saudis, too, could, and Qatar too.

[mirag2]

definitely the Turks set

Saudis could, too, and Qatar too

-Not, not Turks. Turks like this group do not support, frankly, there’s no time to google now, but offhand these Saudis support Saudis, so their work.

[Centurionix]

Do not go to the grandmother here. The same ears.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Centurionix

Do not go to the grandmother here. The same ears.

As in Afghanistan.

[Reserve buildbat]

I wonder what MANPADS came from. It is unlikely that they will bring down even our 1 helicopter, but it would be interesting to evaluate their effectiveness in combat conditions

[rotmistr60]

but it would be interesting to evaluate their effectiveness in combat conditions

Well, you said so. Will you evaluate the effectiveness of the Syrian aviation? The appearance of MANPADS and even in such quantities is very bad news.

[33 Watcher]

And who talked about MANPADS? Well, if the leak (if this is true at all) has reached us, then our intelligence, all the more so, has long been known. To figure out what to do about it. If only to pull apart all over BV, they did not have time.

[tol100v]

Quote: rotmistr60

The appearance of MANPADS and even in such quantities is very bad news.

Unfortunately, MANPADS can work not only for military purposes! But for these scumbags there is nothing sacred, they can work on the civilian sides! And that will be very bad news.

[Muvka]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: rotmistr60

The appearance of MANPADS and even in such quantities is very bad news.

Unfortunately, MANPADS can work not only for military purposes! But for these scumbags there is nothing sacred, they can work on the civilian sides! And that will be very bad news.

Civilians fly at heights inaccessible to MANPADS.

[kote119]

Quote: Muvka

Civilians fly at heights inaccessible to MANPADS.

You didn’t take into account take-off / landing, and when you execute them, you can run into MANPADS

[Muvka]

Quote: kote119

Quote: Muvka

Civilians fly at heights inaccessible to MANPADS.

You didn’t take into account take-off / landing, and when you execute them, you can run into MANPADS

And in those areas there are operating airfields?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Stroibat stock

... but it would be interesting to evaluate their effectiveness in combat conditions

You just need to buy a helicopter and ... fly-rate ...
All known MANPADS operate at a height not higher than 5 km !!! and in range 6 km !!! Our VKS group flies much higher ... It will be more interesting to evaluate the effectiveness of the destruction of MANPADS owners ...

[Berserks]

This is clearly a hostile gesture towards Russia! To find out who exactly put them

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Berserks

This is a clearly hostile gesture towards Russia!Find out who exactly set them

And such things are not a secret for a long time. Someone will chat just the other day. And it turns out that MANPADS were made in Alabama, and they got to the barmaley through Erdogan. Also me, an open secret ...

[mav1971]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Berserks

This is a clearly hostile gesture towards Russia!Find out who exactly set them

And such things are not a secret for a long time. Someone will chat just the other day. And it turns out that MANPADS were made in Alabama, and they got to the barmaley through Erdogan. Also me, an open secret ...

Teach the materiel and the news of 5 a year ago to remember.

Or Chinese again. as it was already many times, or our arrows from the warehouses of Libya,
The arrow was stolen several thousand pieces.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mav1971

Teach materiel and the news of 5 years ago must be remembered.

I taught twenty-odd calendars. On my own skin. In the early 90s, the last time. And from where the legs grow at the Barmalean MANPADS in this world - I know without news of five years ago.

About these specifically - wait and see. I think that over the past 25 years, a lot of things in the world have changed, but not the warehouse from which spirits are taken from MANPADS, if our helicopter planes fly somewhere ...

[ARMAT]

To the Kurds, supplies will go ... and to Hezbollah, too!

[Mavrikiy]

Well, that’s yours! Allahu akbar, and where were our eyes interesting?
By the way, the glass is made of sand, who does not know. They find bugs in amber, I assure you that they will find militants in the glass. Probably it hurts, as there are less and less willing.

[Mountain shooter]

In such quantity could throw from Turetchiny. It’s close there. And the owners are Saudis or Qatar.
As I understand it correctly, they left Aleppo for a "snack"? First they will deal with Der-eh-Zor, then with Raqqa, and then with all the "Caudle" they will clean up Aleppo.
The largest city after Damascus, and the biggest jumble of all kinds of "oppositions", and also the Turkish factor, the border is not completely closed. And the strength is not enough.

[donavi49]

It is doubtful. Now the main combat-ready units are being transferred to South Fas (Hader) and Northern (Fog) in Aleppo. Persians from the 65 paratrooper brigade arrived there. There are now Lebanese. From Hercules to the front, Iraqis from Badr. Most likely, they will now beat back what was lost in the battles with Nusra and inflict a local defeat on it.

Plus, the shortest route to Raqqa is Tabka — blocking the Euphrates (the Kurds keep a dam in the north, the only way for the Caliphate in the West Bank with the main forces on the east bridges at Saura is Tabka’s base in this city, but you can’t swim in boats), transfer to east coast and march to Raqqa, there from the bridge along the 40 km road.

From Palmyra to DeZa - 200 km in a deserted, sparsely populated area, and this automatically means that there will be regular attacks by convoys, providing and cutting roads, as with the same in Aleppo.

From DeZa to Raqqa - another 140 km.

At the same time, from the gut positions at Itria (this is the way of life in Aleppo) - 50-70km to Saura (if you count from 100% of the controlled or from the fact that the forefront and zones of the database), and there 40 km to Raqqa.

[askort154]

In the suburbs of Aleppo? Definitely Erdogan! Who is against?

[Cappit]

Does Sputnik's management not let the director's laurels sleep peacefully? It is not known how much, or what, or to whom, or from where they brought it, but already: brave the lads, wait, they will start to wet! Moreover, a link to "Wikipedia" is given for greater significance. Uss ... you can crumple!

[avg-mgn]

Is the problem is who delivered or transferred. The mere fact of the presence of an air defense system or MANPADS indicates that there are forces (and no one, I hope, doubts that) which the Syrian Air Force and, especially, the Airborne Forces, is a bone in the throat. States, for example, are sleeping and seeing when ours demonstrate the capabilities of their technical means of counteracting attacks by air defense systems.

[Anchonsha]

Well, who else could have hurried in advance to drag out the war in Syria, and at the same time hope that maybe something will happen to Assad. Except for the Americans - the "exclusive nation" as the black baboon called the Americans.

[raid14]

An article about the delivery of the FN6 Chinese MANPADS to barmalays was posted in October 2015.
More details here: http://nikitich.livejournal.com/795479.html

[Stinger]

Exceptional fussed?

[Insde]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

With heat heads? And how does he detect a target at such a distance? While there are no such heads, and MANPADS of such height - no.
The highest is our "Verba", up to 4.5 km in height, 6 - in range.

President C do not forget))))

[Abbra]

Discussion is good ... Another important question is important: FROM WHOM THEY RECEIVED THIS?

[donavi49]

Is it that important?

In general, there is an official US program - they are arming the SSA to combat IS. This program includes a lot of gunners (eMok and Minimi noticeably against PC and AK), mortars, ATGMs, rocket launchers, 107 mm MLRS, wheeled vehicles (pickups and trucks), Browning 50 machine guns and standardized machine tools for them, with my absorption system recoil, PPE, military medicine (bloodsuckers, kits for mobile hospitals, individual kits), surveillance devices (optics, TPV).



At the same time, there are unofficial deliveries through "smugglers".

[Thunderbolt]

Until now, anti-aircraft missile weapons have not been used by the fighters of the groupings. The products are piece and dangerous. It's just that handing over bearded fighters (albeit trained) into the hands of bearded fighters (albeit trained) is troublesome with its consequences. An example of "stingers" from another opera --- the conditions there were completely different and political moment. Not only can this weapon be turned in the opposite direction (as a result of a simple mistake or ideological discrepancies), as well as on the civilian sides of states that are not interested in this. This is not enough. There is also the risk of being "spotted" by the supplier. public and especially unspoken world laws are fraught with considerable problems. Therefore, unless the anti-Assad men obtained such weapons on their own, then competent specialists of the regular army and under the physical protection of special forces soldiers will use them. But so far such operations have not been carried out on the Syrian front. Like others. important measures that could decide the outcome of this very strange war. This means the enemy has a different task. Not a military victory in supported forces, not the physical destruction of Assad personally, but the main goal is much more global.

[mav1971]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Until now, anti-aircraft missile weapons fighters factions have not been used.

Learn the materiel. Chinese FN-6 has been used by militants in Syria for several years.

[Prisoner]

CRAWLER bastard crap!

[Urri]

Two weeks ago "Saiga dacha" came to Istanbul. Ears from there. For the Saudi loot.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Cover the storage square with "Calibers" and add X-101. Although ours do not need to be taught, how two fingers will detect the operation of the radar from the same satellite.

[james]

Well, our "partners" have provided "help" if it's not a fake.

[Was mammoth]

"... told an informed source in Aleppo."
What? Where? When? Where from? Zero information. But it is definitely known that 85.
This is not information, it is a provocation. Gossip.
There are also informed sources of money in the yard.

[Holsten]

Based on the intercepted message, we can only conclude about man-portable missile systems, and not about air defense systems.
If this was ensured by the fiery friend of ISIS r ... o Ruin \ state \, then Arrow or Needle - 3, 3.5 km in height.

[black]

85 units, that's a lot. This is already an industrial supply. And no one thought that this is an ordinary grandfather, that would temporarily hold back the use of aviation in Syria. The figure is too fantastic.

[jetfors_84]

And such garbage has not yet been calculated where the militants are hiding?

[awg75]

he understood what he asked ??? !!!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: awg75

he understood what he asked ??? !!!

This is an anti-aircraft missile system IRIS-T SLS with a vertically launched missile with infrared homing head. In the initial part of the trajectory, it is aimed at the target using the Giraffe AMB all-round radar station developed by the Swedish company Saab. This station provides the ability to detect targets at distances greater than 100 kilometers and altitudes greater than 20 kilometers, while simultaneously tracking up to 150 targets.

[atamankko]

Deza, not deza, and flyers need to keep their tail with a gun, not relaxing.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: atamankko

Deza, not deza, and flyers need to keep their tail with a gun, not relaxing.

Well no. The party said: It is necessary. Komsomol snapped off: Yes. And it's time to carpet.

[awg75]

exceptional 3.14 endos approved, the Turks set .... in return it would be nice to send the Kurds something worthy.

[BOB044]

Media: one of the groups in Syria has received about 85-ty anti-aircraft missiles

If this is true, then our Caliber should fly to the point where these missiles are located.

[Jack-b]

Quote: BOB044

If this is true, then our Caliber should fly to the point where these missiles are located.

Be sure, as soon as the coordinates become known, you won’t have to wait long.

[Signore Tomato]

The United States deployed B-52 bombers to pressure ISIS.
They stand and push, you know. Press and stand.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2741261

[hartlend]

I suggest everyone, before commenting on the news, to evaluate whether it is news at all.

Militants of one of the groups received at their disposal at least 85-ti anti-aircraft missiles, reports RIA Novosti agency Sputnik.

About this with reference to the recording of the intercepted conversation between the militants told an informed source in Aleppo.

At best, this is food for thought for the military. For us from the region "one grandmother said".

[hobot]

I think there are two options:
1-fake in order to slow down the active offensive of the Syrian troops with the support of Iran and the Russian VKS ..,
2 - A response to the shame suffered by the amers that they did not release Palmyra, then it is clear what and where and by whose order.

[forest park 86]

Went "humanitarian aid" from mattress covers?

[Olegater]

Dear forum users, it is necessary to establish the reliability of the source at the beginning - it is clear that log lice and the like inhabitants of the gutters of the information field are talking like rabid dogs. If there was such a delivery, then clarity will be known after some time in about a month. Well, on the spot it’s still clear and clear what is happening and the information arrives reliable not just what we read (distortion is present).

[Andryukha G]

For Americans, saliva is dripping from the oil-bearing regions of Syria, because the dollar owes its life only to oil, so coconuts grabbed hold of this land and will wreak havoc with all available and inaccessible means and destabilize the situation until these lands go to the American proteges in the form of the Syrian opposition and other husks behind which American oil magnates will stand and stand, and anti-aircraft and other missiles are just a means to an end.

[crasever]

But there was a rumor - the Kurds, the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Yemenite Hussites can also receive heat-guided anti-aircraft missiles, about 30 each!

[Zomanus]

People, why are you so tearing up this news?
Is it you who will be shot down or are you instructed to deal with this?
I think that whoever needs it, they already understand.

[Siberian]

Yes, it seems the work there, our special operations units, doesn’t plow, this work is not for a year or even two ... in a word, the main thing in the fight against terrorists is yet to come ...

[avg-mgn]

Spit on them. Our air defense is the best!
All holding the sky on their shoulders with
Holiday - Anti-Air Day
Russian defense! Worthy of continuation
glorious traditions and clear skies !!!

[The Cat Ik]

Yyy absolutely fun

[dchegrinec]

How much have they "helped" them before? Likewise, now "help".

[The Cat Ik]

I had no doubt. I am from Ukraine. Do not misunderstand ...