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In the coming years, Americans may need “no more” 18 Russian-made XDUMX engines

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In the coming 6 years (before creating their own rocket engine), the Pentagon may need some more 18 Russian RD-180 to launch military satellites, reports RIA News Statement by Deputy Head of Office Robert Wark.


In the coming years, Americans may need “no more” 18 Russian-made XDUMX engines


“The United States needs to have at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space,” said Wark to Reuters.

In this regard, "until the advent of American counterparts, the Pentagon has to rely on Russian RD-180," he added.

“We just don’t see a way to get a new engine earlier than in six years, and therefore we need RD-180 for this transitional period. No more 18 ",
noted wark.

The agency recalls that in March, the military department concluded contracts with United Launch Services and Aerojet Rocketdyne to develop new rocket engines, up to 2019, which the RD-180 should replace.

As is known, Senator John McCain initiated the refusal of Russian engines.
Photos used:
RIA News. Yuri Strelets
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 9 2016 12: 27
    +29
    Once they decided to refuse then there is nothing for them to sell them! Let them as they want and launch.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur April 9 2016 12: 34
      +51
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Once they decided to refuse then there is nothing for them to sell them!

      They are refusing demonstratively. For an anti-Russian, anti-aggression image. Even if they make these in 6 years, they will definitely be much more expensive. And they, congrez, will easily "reject" and continue purchasing if necessary.
      McCain - type patriot-parsley-rooster. This is all dust in the eyes of taxpayers.
      And we need to sell, because You can’t stop the conveyor and lose money! Again, a lot of money is needed to develop new ones.
      Such a cool production.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 9 2016 12: 43
        +30
        The agency recalls that in March, the military department concluded contracts with United Launch Services and Aerojet Rocketdyne to develop new rocket engines, up to 2019, which the RD-180 should replace.


        If we deliver, then their developments will not accelerate, but it may not work out ... we need to sell, let them depend on us.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 April 9 2016 14: 43
          -3
          Quote: cniza
          ... you need to sell, let them depend on us.


          Are you very interested in exchanging real products for American waste paper? In this case, it is necessary to give the documentation for the production of the latest developments ... And why should they suffer?
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 9 2016 21: 55
            +5
            Are you very interested in exchanging real products for American waste paper?


            You exchange this American waste paper for real products, including imported food products that you simply don’t produce in sufficient quantities.
          2. alexander 2
            alexander 2 April 10 2016 03: 31
            +2
            Such engines have already been supplied to the United States, so they will not learn anything new.
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          4. anykin
            anykin April 10 2016 10: 45
            +3
            For waste paper is not necessary. They have a shortage of engines and we have a shortage of chips. Let's hit in kind by sanctions!
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 April 9 2016 18: 45
          0
          In the coming years, Americans may need “no more” 18 Russian-made XDUMX engines

          With the Chinese, an example is taken from under the silence? COPIAST !!!? How are our AK-47 and RPG-7 made in usa? am
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 9 2016 14: 56
        +14
        Quote: Baikonur
        And we need to sell


        Read the same:
        for start Military satellites
        . Against WHOM these satellites will send precision weapons, huh?
        With her own hands Russia gives weapons to the ENEMY against itself!
        Maybe Americans so do? Or England, France, etc.?
        Wildness!
        1. zennon
          zennon April 9 2016 16: 20
          +39
          Quote: Aleksander
          With her own hands Russia gives weapons to the ENEMY against itself!

          Yes, you finally understand! Before the 92nd year, the United States launched satellites on its own! MUCH!30 YEARS!!!. They have their own carriers - "Delta" for example. There is "Arian" frogushatnikovsky. There are Chinese! We are not unique. Our engines are cheaper, more efficient, more reliable. The ratio of the thrust impulse to the mass of ours is better, but that's all !!! they launch themselves, they have everything without any trampolines! It’s just more profitable for them to use our stuff. If we refuse, they will launch all their satellites themselves, as it was before 92! And we will lose the market! We have a lot of high-tech products that we can sell over the hill ?! These are our jobs, support for existing production and money for promising R&D. Well, do you have any brains? I explain simple things. Well, try to understand!
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 9 2016 16: 38
            +11
            Quote: zennon
            We are not unique. Our engines cheaper, more effective, more reliable

            I will add:

            Quote: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71994/#cut
            The agreement between Moscow and Washington, which provided for the supply of 101 RD-180 engines to the United States and was estimated at approximately $ 1 billion, was concluded in 1997.

            - that is, one RD-180 costs a little less than $ 10 million.
            - and then we look and wonder:

            Quote: http://www.rbc.ru/society/11/05/2011/590218.shtml
            NPO Energomash OJSC carried out sale of Russian rocket
            RD180 engines in the USA for half the cost of their production
            . As the Auditor of the Accounts Chamber (SP) of the Russian Federation Sergey Ryabukhin told reporters, the joint venture came to this conclusion as a result of checking the activities of the scientific and production association

            That's the whole secret, actually .. where already here .. cheaper sad
            1. Proxima
              Proxima April 9 2016 19: 16
              +11
              Americans will buy engines at normal prices. 20 years ago, they were going to produce them under license, but they did not succeed. It turned out that they would have to spend about $ 1 billion only on test benches. They calmed down on this, but the fact that someone in Energomash is taking a rollback should be mercilessly imprisoned for this.
          2. gergi
            gergi April 9 2016 16: 43
            +7
            I completely agree. Better to sell high-tech goods than raw materials. It's time to get off the pipe. Let them buy. Again, McCain will die of bile faster. Solid pluses.
            1. DMB_95
              DMB_95 April 9 2016 18: 09
              +3
              Quote: gergi
              I completely agree. Better to sell high-tech goods than raw materials. It's time to get off the pipe. Let them buy. Again, McCain will die of bile faster. Solid pluses.

              Solid will not work. New Amer’s military satellites in orbit are definitely not a plus.
              1. gergi
                gergi April 9 2016 18: 13
                +6
                They will hang there anyway. Only our production will receive problems. Well this is not a bakery, I want to bake, I want not to bake. Stopping production is easy; starting a process is very difficult. Such plants should work smoothly, without jerking, predictably.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 9 2016 19: 07
                  +10
                  It is necessary to sell so as not to engage in "import substitution". For example, the line for assembling the Abrams (as they say) was dismantled. Only repair facilities remained. It will be very expensive to resume production. And the longer they buy, the more expensive it will be to renew or make an analogue, here and with the staff there will be problems (loss of qualifications without definite work). From a business point of view, to create an analogue that will obviously be more expensive (after all, a number of enterprises must be built) - is there any sense ?! The situation will be the same as in the Russian Federation with electronics. Does it make sense to create enterprises of the element base for electronics, which will not be able to work for export and will be clearly more expensive than analogues in Southeast Asia (China, Taiwan, etc.), because everyone uses them (even the US military-industrial complex)?
                  So you can already observe that the market for commercial launches of Roskosmos is crushing under itself - therefore, any sanctions against anyone are not appropriate. Why create a competitor with these sanctions? It will be even worse if the USA and the EU unite on this issue, create their own engines (analogs of the RD-180, with a fuel "afterburning" system - so to speak) and begin to compete. On the contrary, it seems to me that we need to "open up" - offer them to the Indians, Chinese, etc. for "peaceful" launches, capturing the market, and due to the massiveness to make such prices that no one could refuse and even think about making an analogue. And to work out new income or you never know where you can use the money. And at the expense of the whale. copier - sell for a specific launch. Yes, they are unlikely to be able to - try to pick up materials - a jet for a fighter is not working yet. hi
                  1. Nikolay74
                    Nikolay74 April 10 2016 11: 23
                    +2
                    Dear, the Yankees also succeeded with Russian uranium; our politicians from the Eltsin gang sold cheaply. So it became unprofitable for them to produce their own. Our production ... rily. Now they seem to be refusing to sell them, and they started shouting that this was a diversion against the USA, and that means you can use a freebie ....
                    hi
          3. clidon
            clidon April 9 2016 19: 04
            0
            Until 2002, Americans used only their carriers.
            As for the carriers, only today the next Falcon flew.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 10 2016 16: 23
              +2
              Quote: clidon
              As for the carriers, only today the next Falcon flew.

              After launching the Dragon cargo ship into orbit, the SpaceX Falcon 9 booster rocket successfully landed on a platform floating in the Atlantic Ocean. For the first time, SpaceX was able to land the first stage of the Falcon 9 booster rocket on a floating platform in the ocean. The rocket launched from the launch site at Cape Canaveral at 23:43 Moscow time on Friday, April 8. The return first stage separated approximately two and a half minutes after the start, after which it carried out a controlled descent. 8 minutes 40 seconds after launch, the rocket first successfully landed on a landing platform floating in the Atlantic Ocean 300 kilometers northeast of Cape Canaveral.
          4. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 10 2016 05: 07
            -3
            Quote: Article

            Concerning, "analogues The Pentagon has to rely on Russian RD-180s, ”he added.

            RD-180 are unique, zennon why write all this? They need them primarily to launch military satellites. In the current conditions, their delivery is like delivering the KV-1 to the Germans in 1941.
            And why doesn’t Roskosmos use these unique engines from Energy (undertaking something with an under-heavy Angara), instead of which they or the government are chasing their beloved America? That is the main question ...

            It was unequivocally stated in the cited that there will be analogues and they will refuse the RD-180, no matter how much they cost! So let them start to rely on their "analogs" right now, why delay it?

            American drones flew into Russia for espionage as far as Volgograd (Stalingrad) even before the escalation in Crimea. Why do we need them to watch us even better from above, or even just lie on us? Cut off their supplies to them and that's all, if that's the case, the pre-established regime of favoring their producers of "analogues", and some kind of "sanctions" ...
            1. zennon
              zennon April 10 2016 13: 07
              +3
              Quote: FooFighter
              RD-180 are unique, zennon why write all this?

              There is absolutely nothing unique about them. RD-180 is half of the masterpiece of all times and peoples-RD 170! I was fortunate enough to be in Khimki to stand next to this peak of human thought.
              Quote: FooFighter
              And why Roscosmos itself does not use these unique engines from Energy

              Because we don’t need him! We were prepared for the Rus-M launch vehicle. But Roscosmos refused to develop it and did not need a dvigun. But it was very useful as an export one. In particular, on the main stage of the Atlas-5 rocket .
              Quote: FooFighter
              Cut off their supplies to them and everything, once that,

              You really don’t understand that they won’t start everything using other media, their own or the French ones from Kuru, and we will be left without a market and of course money? Clinic ...
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 11 2016 05: 10
                -1
                The clinic is with you. And why did Roskosmos refuse from the RD-170?
                Can you give the Americans more Crimea if only they would continue to buy these "absolutely non-unique engines" from us?

                No, we ourselves have to attach the tank to these engines with them, but for now the market belongs to the American ULA using the RD-180 in Atlas-5, and ... the American company Interlaunch, which launches Progressami from Baikonur.

                They are sometimes hired to fast for sneakers.
        2. NORILCHANIN
          NORILCHANIN April 9 2016 20: 38
          0
          Traitors are sitting in the Kremlin and in the Government! The bastards for green paper were sold and their PARENTS were sold, I am silent about the country.
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        4. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad April 10 2016 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          Quote: Baikonur
          And we need to sell


          Read the same:
          for start Military satellites
          . Against WHOM these satellites will send precision weapons, huh?
          With her own hands Russia gives weapons to the ENEMY against itself!
          Maybe Americans so do? Or England, France, etc.?
          Wildness!


          here a comparison arises in general: America, Europe, Israel, etc. offer and sell to Russia, including components for the defense industry-> Russia introduces import substitution, is afraid of bookmarks.

          America buys rocket engines in Russia - and not afraid of bookmarks? and doesn’t care about import substitution?
    2. Portolan
      Portolan April 9 2016 12: 39
      +5
      Yes, take more, suddenly you will not make yours laughing
      1. Portolan
        Portolan April 9 2016 12: 44
        +4
        cool engines it’s a pity that they did not fly, however they flew, but not to the moon, but along an arc to the Atlantic laughing
        1. Proxima
          Proxima April 9 2016 13: 28
          +3
          Quote: Portolan
          cool engines it’s a pity that they did not fly, however they flew, but not to the moon, but along an arc to the Atlantic laughing

          Your photograph and the photograph in the article do not show the RD-180. "Hundred eighty" two-chamber, with two nozzles.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 9 2016 13: 47
          +1
          These engines did not have a mission to fly to the moon - only the launch of the ship into orbit. And what do you compare their F1 engines with ours, the US engines have a whole range - there is something to compare with others.
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        4. Simple
          Simple April 9 2016 16: 16
          +2
          Protoplan .... Sit down 2 with "-".
          F-1 have never been and could not be on the moon!
          THEY ALWAYS FALLED TO THE ATLANTIC.
          On the moon were:
          Thompson-Rameau-Woldridge LMDE. The thrust of this rocket engine is adjustable in the 4,5-0,45 t range, its weight is 170 kg, height - 2,5 m. The rocketdine RS18 rocket engine is installed on the take-off stage of the lunar compartment. The thrust of this rocket engine is 1,6 t, weight - 90 kg, height - 1,3 m.
          Thomson stayed there, and Rockndai probably later fell
          1. Portolan
            Portolan April 9 2016 16: 27
            -5
            Quote: Just
            On the moon were:
            Thompson-Ramo-Woldridge LRE. Ty


            lies pin_doserovskoe Prostatitis negative
            1. Simple
              Simple April 9 2016 22: 36
              0
              Another 2 s "-" ....
              Besides la-la, what is the thread to say?
              Ps. Humiliating others, you yourself will not exalt yourself.
              Example: kaly- rAguli
              1. Portolan
                Portolan April 9 2016 23: 06
                -6
                Quote: Just
                Another 2 s "-" ....
                Besides la-la, what is the thread to say?
                Ps. Humiliating others, you yourself will not exalt yourself.
                Example: kaly- rAguli


                so you say, as if he himself, something sensible said, the Hollywood performance is an induced hallucination and fewer people argue with this, the arguments are over
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 9 2016 23: 20
                  -2
                  None of which we will soon find out whether the US astronauts on the Moon in 1969 were already 100%, but we can already say for sure that the moon landing was not one - because all flights were documented - by a huge number of witnesses, including in our country, as well as a huge number of design engineers who created Lunar machines.
                2. Simple
                  Simple April 10 2016 00: 18
                  -2
                  Proof of e?
                  I'm at 100% sure that you don’t even know the propulsion formula of a rocket engine!
                  I give a hint: the Meshchersky equation!
                  And if you find him on Wiki ... You won’t make sense.
                  But you judge ... Further, as in "Heart of a Dog"
                  1. sa-ag
                    sa-ag April 10 2016 07: 45
                    -1
                    Quote: Just
                    Proof of e?

                    And about whether or not you asked Boris Chertok a question, he will explain it to you.
                    1. Simple
                      Simple April 10 2016 13: 12
                      0
                      ?????
                      Freak, the letter m ....
                      1. How can I ask Boris Evseich when he rested at 2011 !!!!?
                      2. You will be surprised, but he has already clarified everything:
                      Chertok B.E. Rockets and people. Book 4. Lunar Race - M.: Mechanical Engineering, 1999
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 April 10 2016 15: 42
                        0
                        Americans flew - Evidence e
        5. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 9 2016 16: 56
          +2
          Here is the RD-180, near people, for understanding the size
          1. Simple
            Simple April 10 2016 00: 21
            +2
            You would send this photo to the author of the article, to the editors / moderators too.
            Topwar corrector ... Shame. Shame
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 10 2016 16: 48
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Here is the RD-180, near people, for understanding the size

            But the single-chamber F-1, also for understanding ... smile
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 10 2016 18: 47
              0
              F-1 at the U.S. Huntsville Space Rocket Center.
        6. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 10 2016 16: 39
          0
          Quote: Portolan
          cool engines it’s a pity that they did not fly, however they flew, but not to the moon, but along an arc to the Atlantic

          I wonder how would this first stage of a carrier rocket fly to the moon? laughing
          I wanted to be smart and sat down in a puddle! You need to read more, develop erudition! The first stage of the Saturn-5 LV is separated from the second at an altitude of about 65 km at a speed relative to the ground of about 2,3 km / s. Continuing the ballistic flight, the stage rises to an altitude of about 100 km and falls (in the "engines down" position) into the Atlantic Ocean at a distance of about 560 km from the cosmodrome.hi
      2. dorz
        dorz April 9 2016 15: 58
        +1
        “The United States needs to have at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space.”

        The first way is to fly into space in your Tomahawks.
        The second way is to get the broom from Harry Potter.
        what
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    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 9 2016 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Once they decided to refuse then there is nothing for them to sell them! Let them as they want and launch.

      Yes. Be my will or yours. But the loot defeated us.
      But no, I personally (and I hope millions) will always be against amers. And no matter what they are preparing the trick, the last word will always be ours. Evidence? Easy. We stand for 1 years, and even simpler more, the plan however.
    4. Voha-ha
      Voha-ha April 9 2016 13: 08
      +12
      Sorry, but this is a dumb decision based on emotions, not logic! As a child: offended, so we will not give play. And the fact that this is a high-tech product, and it is produced by OUR people (jobs), it has high added value (profit, both for the enterprise and the budget), these are all trifles. Indeed, in children emotions are stronger than logic!
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 9 2016 14: 27
        +3
        Quote: Voha-ha
        And the fact that this is a high-tech product, and it is produced by OUR people (jobs), it has high added value (profit, both for the enterprise and the budget), these are all trifles. Indeed, in children emotions are stronger than logic!


        Ahem ... And the fact that these engines put into orbit US military satellites, should it somehow make our rulers think too ???
        And THESE satellites, the stump is clear, Russia also carries a threat ...

        So the conversation turns out to be pointless ... On the one hand, it is necessary to maintain its high-tech production, no doubt ... But on the other hand, it turns out that we work as if against ourselves ...

        Some kind of vicious circle ... And so bad, and so bad ...
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 9 2016 23: 50
          -1
          Quote: weksha50
          Some kind of vicious circle ... And so bad, and so bad ..

          Yes, it's easy!

          We must learn to shoot down these satellites nafig, and all things ..

          Moreover, under the Soviet Union such "experiments" were definitely carried out. As for the Russian Federation, I don’t know, but I would like to think that there is something “up the sleeve”.

          A joke, like. But not really wink
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 April 10 2016 10: 25
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            A joke, like.



            Well, this is not a joke ... And such works were carried out ... And now there are such opportunities ...

            But why this conversation? Having shot down the US satellite, we thereby begin the fighting ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 10 2016 13: 30
              0
              Quote: weksha50
              Having shot down the US satellite, we thereby begin the fighting ...

              - I do not urge them to shoot down right now .. I said "learn to shoot down" to "break the vicious circle"

              Quote: weksha50
              But why this conversation?

              - like a joke request
    5. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 9 2016 13: 42
      +6
      The United States needs to have at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space. ”

      I can tell: From a slingshot and: wassat
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 April 9 2016 14: 34
        +3
        ... our Baba Yaga will also announce sanctions to them and will not sell the stupa with a broom under license ... so let the slings start their astronauts, cheaply and angrily ... laughing
      2. clidon
        clidon April 9 2016 19: 19
        +2
        Well, humor everything. The Yankees today sent the transporter to the station. Returnable. Plus a stage was put on the platform. Here is just the time to think. as if we are not going to change stupas with time.
    6. Delink
      Delink April 9 2016 15: 08
      -1
      18 trampolines are enough for them.
      More precisely, to sell them drawings of a trampoline. And in the note: * modify the file.
    7. Delink
      Delink April 9 2016 15: 16
      0
      Another option "Grasshopper"
    8. arnulla
      arnulla April 9 2016 16: 13
      0
      They didn’t refuse at all
    9. Petrovich1952
      Petrovich1952 April 9 2016 17: 16
      -1
      Rogozin offered trampolines with them let them run with sanctions together
    10. hartlend
      hartlend April 9 2016 18: 30
      +1
      Before giving up, you need to understand what Russia is gaining and what is losing economically and politically. If it makes sense, you need to sell. But to refuse emotions and then look pale a lot of mind is not necessary.
    11. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 9 2016 18: 57
      -2
      Concerning, "before the advent of American counterparts The Pentagon has to rely on Russian RD-180s, ”he added.

      I suggest everyone neighing together over this part of the phrase laughing
    12. GSH-18
      GSH-18 April 9 2016 18: 59
      -3
      If for 25 years sesheashniki didn’t bungle anything good, then why did they get the idea that they could do it in the near future ??? belay
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 9 2016 23: 25
        +2
        "They haven't bungled anything worthwhile" - what do you mean, they are already completing the construction of the fifth manned spacecraft, while others are already being launched on engines of their own production.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 April 11 2016 09: 45
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          they’re already completing the fifth manned ship,

          Explain.
          Quote: Vadim237
          while others are already launching on engines of their own production.

          What? Do not fantasize. They have an ambush with their own engines.
          1. clidon
            clidon April 11 2016 18: 55
            0
            Well, "Falcon" then flies on its engines. As well as "Delta-4".
    13. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 9 2016 19: 48
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Once decided to refuse

      /// think right! :)
      This is the same case!
      To veto deliveries of this particular batch ... until normal relations are established in the future:
      "no, what are you, what are the sanctions? just the locksmith Pupkin cut the metric thread instead of the inch at the inlet ... we will fix it soon ... wait!" laughing laughing laughing
    14. Appokalipsis
      Appokalipsis April 10 2016 05: 04
      -1
      OJSC "NPO Energomash" to reduce, send workers to shopping centers .... You are a genius ....
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 April 10 2016 17: 20
        0
        Quote: Appokalipsis
        OJSC "NPO Energomash" to reduce, send workers to shopping centers .... You are a genius ....


        brilliant "revelation" - some kind of foulbrood turns out ... laughing

        18engines, for the financial production plan "Khimki" do not make the weather, this is in the first place.
        Secondly, why the hell to "potential partners", in fact competitors and enemies, to give materiel for preparations and as working full-scale / visual aids for copying?
        Like - with a lousy ofts, at least a shred of wool?

        It is possible to sell only if there is 100% certainty that the engines will not "master" 3,14. But there is no such confidence - it means an embargo under a plausible pretext!
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 10 2016 17: 48
          0
          Quote: Rus2012
          18engines, for the financial production plan "Khimki" the weather is not done, this is first

          - $ 180 million (12060 million rubles)? My applause wink

          Quote: Rus2012
          Secondly, why the hell to "potential partners", in fact competitors and enemies, to give materiel for preparations and as working full-scale / visual aids for copying?

          - is it okay that these engines were developed specifically "for the States" and have been sold there since the late 90s? "For preparations" .. damn laughing

          Quote: Rus2012
          It is possible to sell only if there is 100% certainty that the engines will not "master" 3,14. But there is no such confidence - it means an embargo under a plausible pretext!

          - they cook their "dvigi" .. they cook everything and cook. And not a copy at all, but their own
          - and while they "cook" and are ready to buy - let them sell. Anyway, we have nothing to put them on ..

          Somehow yes
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 April 10 2016 18: 21
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - $ 180 million (12060 million rubles)? My applause

            And not sickly so that “Khimki” only for 2015 revenue from open data - 11.737.359.000 rubles?
            Those. the share of 3,14ndos in this business is only 2bn. (12bn / 6years)
            At present, the entire defense industry of the Russian Federation is loaded to capacity with its own orders. And for outsiders, especially "outsiders" - there is no place there. Have fun further.
            And most likely the Yankees will be "bortanutes". I didn't say ...

            And about -
            were developed specifically "for the States", and are sold there since the late 90s? "For preparations".

            nobody promised them the transfer of technology and backlogs, especially models of work processes ...
            Do as we say - "all by herself, by herself ..."
            bully
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              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 April 10 2016 20: 41
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - I these, damn it, experimental nozzles, for Buran (small ones .. with a bucket size, for some kind of "maneuvering engines" or a hairdryer knows them ..) I myself collected Ti-Nb foil by spot welding at 85 -m, yeah .. and I can roughly imagine all this kitchen .. and you?

                ... in more detail, where did you manage to do this - can’t you tell? laughing laughing

                Firstly, "maneuvering engines" did not exist in nature, but there were "DO" and "DU" 17D16, 17D15. And, of course, "from Ti-Nb foil for spot welding" - they were not assembled. And everything was somewhat, or rather, completely different ...
                Those who were "involved" remember and know. Incl. do not try to "get them" with your knowledge ... laughing laughing laughing


                Secondly, "Khimki" is a direct participant in our great deeds in the restoration of "heavy products", in particular, with militaryrussia.ru -
                - Stage 1 - according to the Annual Report of NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko for 2012. NPO is adapting the 15D285 engine for use in the first stage of ICBMs created according to the Sarmat ROC. Since the 15D285 (RD-274) propulsion system includes four 15D286 (RD-273) LPREs, that is, the assumption that the new propulsion system, taking into account the mass class of the rocket, will use two 15D286 LPREs with a total thrust near the Earth of 234,4 tons.


                By the way, even with Pupkin's arithmetic with pictures you have a problem -
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - which is almost 20% of revenue ..

                just something - 16,6%

                ... and finally, the transition to individuals, to VO - are not permissible, be aware of this, foreigner!
                am
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 10 2016 20: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  in more detail, where did you manage to do this - do not tell?

                  - Lehko: Kaliningrad (Moscow Region), post office A1147, aka Central Research Institute of Materials Science (Minomashmash). You do not need department-department, I hope?

                  The occupation was completely idiotic:

                  - we cut the foil into rhombuses with scissors
                  - we take in our hands a piece of iron, which depicts the inner surface of the nozzle nozzle
                  - in spot welding, we begin to weld these rhombuses to it, artfully alternating them ..
                  - for a couple of days we weld N layers of this .. misfortune ..
                  - a lid is put on all this trichonometry, the container is brewed
                  - pressed in a gas thermostat
                  - if it doesn’t burst, the steel is vented in electroplating (or I don’t remember where else), and the "finished product" is dragged (in KBHM, in my opinion) to the stand - to be tested.

                  I missed this foie gras for six months, and then transferred to the programmers, fortunately, the training allowed.

                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Firstly, "maneuvering engines" did not exist in nature, but there were "DO" and "DU" 17D16, 17D15. And of course, "from Ti-Nb foil for spot welding" - they were not collected

                  - I don’t know anything about engines, and I don’t want to know
                  - my business then was to collect a blank for nozzle nozzle .. nozzle nozzleCarl .. fershane? wink

                  Quote: Rus2012
                  ... and finally, the transition to individuals, to VO - are not permissible, be aware of this, foreigner!

                  - did not find a transition in his comment .. well, okay ..
                  - a foreigner is FIVE! By the side of the road, which programmed drawing flags on the site, all claims, plz .. otherwise already for half a year my flag has been changing in a circle: USA - European Union - Iceland .. before that there wasn’t, which is typical laughing
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 April 10 2016 21: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    nozzle nozzle .. nozzle nozzle,


                    and on the photo above, indicate the part of the LRE where it was inserted.
                    I do not remember nifiga your rhombuses on the engine nirazu ...

                    As for the foreigner - I’m taking pictures of ...
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null April 10 2016 21: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Rus2012
                      I do not remember nifiga your rhombuses on the engine nirazu.

                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - a lid is put on all this trichonometry, the container is brewed
                      - pressed in a gas thermostat
                      - if it doesn’t burst, the steel is bleed

                      - rhombuses are no longer visible on the finished product .. they are sintered and pressed completely belay
                      - By the way, I do not claim that it was our nozzles that went to Buran. It was an experiment, they tried to make them out of such a metal composite. Titanium-pancake-niobium.

                      They continued without me. And at that time I was already working as a programmer, in the same TsNIIMV, on the EU1061, EMNIP yes

                      Something like that..
                  2. vglazunov
                    vglazunov April 10 2016 21: 17
                    0
                    Roman, hello to Konigsberg! I myself have been there a lot, there are interesting sights and the sea near amber smile
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null April 10 2016 21: 28
                      0
                      Quote: vglazunov
                      Roman, hello to Konigsberg! I myself have been there a lot, there are interesting sights and the sea near amber

                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Kaliningrad (near Moscow)

                      - he’s called Korolev now ... and there wasn’t amber there laughing

                      Quote: vglazunov
                      Roman, is he Russian?

                      - I yes .. and you? wink
                      1. vglazunov
                        vglazunov April 11 2016 11: 16
                        0
                        I see you are not traveling further than the Moscow Ring Road, this explains a lot laughing
    15. anykin
      anykin April 10 2016 10: 37
      0
      They have a shortage of engines and we have a shortage of chips. Let's hit in kind by sanctions!
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  2. seti
    seti April 9 2016 12: 28
    +7
    Somewhere we already heard it. Yes, only engines are still being bought in Russia and their own are not expected. True staff members constantly say that soon and almost now, but this is not the first year I've heard.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 12: 42
      +5
      So they only tryndet and know how to show a beautiful picture (there really are no master competitors). And to dig a little deeper, the Yankees rotted inside. The wrapper of the candy is bright, but it tastes good.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima April 9 2016 13: 15
        +9
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        And to dig a little deeper, the Yankees rotted inside. The wrapper of the candy is bright, but it tastes good.

        Until now, the Americans have bought from us RD-180 for Atlases and NK-33 for Antares. Is it a bit fat? Our "overseas friends" were really blown away along the way! Even Alon Musk initiated a judicial ban on the sale of the RD-180. There was a positive decision of the American court, but "things are still there". But these otmazons about the transition period and we need no more than 18 pieces - they are not worth a dime! They said the same thing 20 years ago, and they will buy as they bought.
        1. gg.na
          gg.na April 9 2016 15: 34
          +2
          Quote: Proxima
          They said the same thing 20 years ago, and how they bought it, they will buy it.

          They will buy where they are going to get away from themselves, then there isn’t enough tyami to do something new, only hegemons and almighty people can make themselves up and rot is rot !!! lol
      2. gg.na
        gg.na April 9 2016 15: 31
        -1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        The wrapper of the candy is bright, but it tastes good.

        So wrappers and tinsel and lure such as formerly native Indians and now ohruinu !!!
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 17: 45
          +1
          In the 90s, I also succumbed to this. It was so delicious fanta and chewing gum! And McDonald's is heaven on earth. Glory to you, Lord, matured, wiser. Now, looking back, I think - what kind of "children" we were, naive, - believed in all this rot and lies. Fortunately, today we see our "friends, allies, partners and brothers" in their true guise. This lesson must be introduced into the school curriculum of the modern history of Russia without fail. Let the next generations see our mistakes and learn from them.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag April 10 2016 07: 49
            +1
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Now, looking back, I think - what kind of "children" we were, naive, - we believed in all this rot and lies

            And what about electronics, can you tell us more about this "rot and lie" now? :-)
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      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 10 2016 07: 47
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        So they only tryndet and know how to show a beautiful picture (there really are no master competitors). And to dig a little deeper, the Yankees rotted inside. The wrapper of the candy is bright, but it tastes good.

        What are you doing, you use them to develop them and right there you go :-)
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  3. Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 12: 29
    +21
    Nah ... I think we need to sell. Another's product liquefies the brain and relaxes. And then they will immediately engage in import substitution and sbatsyat engine for the year. And we’ll build in six even better. In my opinion it is logical. AND?
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer April 9 2016 12: 31
      +6
      It’s a matter of principle! They threaten our eyes with sanctions and we sell them engines ?! Well, no. We must have a sense of pride
      1. hrych
        hrych April 9 2016 12: 46
        -2
        It is necessary to sell, but to fix the malfunction, so that after the stand the resource does not allow to withdraw ... A couple of missiles so that they are lost and the Atlas is bent ...
        1. Proxima
          Proxima April 9 2016 16: 55
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          It is necessary to sell, but to fix the malfunction, so that after the stand the resource does not allow to withdraw ... A couple of missiles so that they are lost and the Atlas is bent ...

          And so it was, dear. True, not on the Atlas, but on the Antares. And we sold the engine to them, not RD-180, but NK-33. The Americans decided to modernize it a little, but they invited our Ukrainian "colleagues" from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau to do it. They "modernized" it, so much so that the rocket exploded. It's called "licked by the Americans"! The truth is they say that a dumb friend is more terrible than a clever enemy.
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        3. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 17: 50
          0
          Well, they will say that we do bad engines. Shame on the whole world, lose our reputation. Is it necessary? Let the whole world see that mattresses in space depend on us. What can we, but they do not.
      2. askort154
        askort154 April 9 2016 14: 12
        0
        Magic Archer ... It's a matter of principle! They threaten us in the face with sanctions and we sell engines to them ?! Well, no, we must have a sense of pride

        Pride is not cowards, but what is in them!
        Option 1, We "proudly" can contemplate how they "waste" their product for 30 years, and have nothing from it.
        Option 2, We "proudly" can contemplate how they "waste" their product for 30 years, but all this time receive from them, their "nasty bucks". What is better pride?
      3. gg.na
        gg.na April 9 2016 15: 39
        +1
        Quote: Magic Archer
        . One must have a sense of pride

        Not just necessary but necessary !!! But you should at least somehow relax the suckers (overseas partners), let them use a freebie and sit on without doing anything in this regard! Well, we can profit from this profit and launch new developments! In general, I think that our designers have decent development in the stash !!! wink But to realize them, finance is needed! So let the problems help us in the financial side of the issue !!! repeat
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 12: 35
      +8
      Yes, of course you have to sell. This is money, jobs, the prestige of the country (super-super-mega-world power (and the lord of galaxies) is buying engines from the planet’s most important enemy)
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  5. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima April 9 2016 12: 36
    +6
    "The United States needs at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space."
    1. Amurets
      Amurets April 9 2016 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: Tim Coconuts
      "The United States needs at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space."

      Where's the trampoline?
      1. gg.na
        gg.na April 9 2016 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        Where's the trampoline?

        Really! Trampoline is not enough! wassat
      2. Fat
        Fat April 9 2016 20: 09
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: Tim Coconuts
        "The United States needs at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space."

        Where's the trampoline?

        HERE!
    2. Fat
      Fat April 9 2016 20: 07
      -1
      Quote: coconut tim
      "The United States needs at least two affordable and reliable ways to get into space."

      Well, there were ... Fuy-se jokes.
      Even I have at least 3 options ...
      method 1: 4x05 in one, cheap and cheerful, after half a glass everyone says "RD-180 Hurray!" and so that not a single unreliable person in the figure is mistaken ... otherwise they will think there is RD181
      Method 2: 1 jamb in one person, more expensive, but more effective (however, 30 years did not try)
      Our RD-180 will soon become a joke-dot, like an American carburetor for 21 "VOLGA" like a stoned man's dream (what do we have there next, according to the forbidden program, acetylsalicylic acid?
      Method 3: tea, coffee, cigar? banana? in vain! we have a wonderful harvest this year!
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 9 2016 21: 00
        0
        Quote: Thick
        otherwise they’ll think there is RD181

        They say there is a contract for 60 of these engines for Antares and the first Antares on RD 181 was supposed to start this year. They say that he is never sacred. US space sanctions are not extended to peaceful space. They say that the RD-181 is an export version of the RD-191 already tested by South Korea. US sanctions on RD-180 apply upon completion of contract
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 9 2016 12: 39
    +6
    Today they boasted that the "Falcon" could take off 100 times. So let them throw 20 tons of cargo into high orbits in six, seven times. Yes, they collect them in orbit. crying
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 9 2016 14: 11
      0
      To this end, Heavy Falcon will start this year, which will carry all the more cargo in the world, before entering the SLS system.
  7. forester
    forester April 9 2016 12: 44
    +7
    They will buy nowhere and we will sell because apart from them there is no one the Chinese also want, but with the transfer of technology - for us it’s not an option for Aviatitan to stop selling them so that the Boeing will bend and raise and develop its aviation industry - I think so
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 9 2016 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: forester
      Aviatitan stop selling them so that the Boeing is bent



      Do you think that Boeing, except in Russia, has nowhere to buy titanium ???
      And what about the Boeing after the cessation of the supply of titanium alloys and various castings by Russia will be bent ???

      Hmm ... I would like, yes - it will not work ...
  8. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 April 9 2016 12: 48
    -3
    Instead of 18 engines, 1 trampoline will be enough
  9. guzik007
    guzik007 April 9 2016 12: 55
    +5
    Oh-oh ... Through a yawn: Cho say? engines? Yes, we have something to do with our own. Well so be it, buy ishsho pieces 18. Let them lie.
    Well, they will manage. For over twenty years we have not been able to establish our own.
    That’s what it means to get ready. We have already gone through this; we asked ... almost all of our production, parasitizing on cheap oil. So that’s it. Why the hell to plant potatoes when the store is full of imported.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 9 2016 14: 34
      0
      Quote: guzik007
      That’s what it means to get ready. We have already been through


      The most interesting thing is that they convinced and planted Russia, while they themselves stepped on the same rake ...
  10. ARMAT
    ARMAT April 9 2016 12: 59
    +1
    Sold ... Well, they used Russia!
  11. SG11
    SG11 April 9 2016 12: 59
    -4
    "18 Russian engines to launch US military satellites." what is the degree of id.ioticism ??! not from the usa, but from us !! uryayaya! peremoga !! rather, sell the engines to the staff, otherwise they have nothing to bomb Russia from !!! ((((
  12. Voha-ha
    Voha-ha April 9 2016 13: 10
    +3
    Quote: Magic Archer
    Once they decided to refuse then there is nothing for them to sell them! Let them as they want and launch.

    Sorry, but this is a dumb decision based on emotions, not logic! As a child: offended, so we will not give play. And the fact that this is a high-tech product, and it is produced by OUR people (jobs), it has high added value (profit, both for the enterprise and the budget), these are all trifles. Indeed, in children emotions are stronger than logic!
  13. volodya
    volodya April 9 2016 13: 11
    +2
    You can’t sell, especially for military satellites!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2016 13: 49
      +1
      And they will not buy their own.
  14. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 9 2016 13: 19
    +3
    “We simply don’t see a way to get a new engine earlier than six years later, and therefore we need RD-180 for this transition period. Not more than 18

    And six years later, he (or his substitute) will say: "In connection with the protracted testing of our engine, there is a need to purchase another 180 RD-180" laughing
  15. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 April 9 2016 13: 24
    +1
    Senator "downed pilot" McCain is now completely sleepy.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 9 2016 13: 36
    -2
    And where did they do their development for the Saturn-V Lunar Rocket? After all, he was, and the rocket was flying, it seemed to lift the necessary weight. Is it really possible with them ... to the core? Oh no no no.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 9 2016 14: 12
      +1
      You probably go to work on Belaz, because the weight is the right one, what is the problem?
      1. lwxx
        lwxx April 9 2016 15: 12
        +1
        The problem is that they (the Americans) made a reusable engine, and we are all proud of the development of past years. Aw, fools, where is the progress? It’s possible to talk about slingshots for a long time, but time does not stand still and where will the cape be in the future if we can now sell (produce) the engine, albeit good, from yesterday’s developments?
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 9 2016 20: 43
          0
          Quote: lwxx
          The problem is that they (the Americans) made a reusable engine, and we are all proud of the development of past years. Aw, fools, where is the progress? It’s possible to talk about slingshots for a long time, but time does not stand still and where will the cape be in the future if we can now sell (produce) the engine, albeit good, from yesterday’s developments?

          Do you know the amount of work and inspections in order to start these engines for the second time? And how reliable they will be. They always have it, read how they created the first light bulb. Learn a lot for yourself.
          1. clidon
            clidon April 9 2016 21: 39
            +1
            I think that checking the engine (based on logic) costs a couple of orders cheaper than creating a new engine. And the Speysiksists themselves argue that the resource of work and a hundred starts quite pulls itself (although I think that this is subject to major repairs).
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 10 2016 13: 50
              -1
              overhaul after each start-up, and a reusable engine alone is more expensive, while raising less
              RD-180 can be used up to 20 times
              RS-25 increased thrust by 10% and for all its reusable price it turned into a one-off - also say "not corruption"?
              landing a rocket on a platform in the ocean instead of lowering it into the ocean by parachute is also "our all" ...
              1. clidon
                clidon April 10 2016 19: 50
                0
                Why do you think that a reusable engine itself is more expensive. How much more expensive? RD-180 can and can be used arbitrarily much, but alas, it falls to the ground.
                Why did you decide that "reusability" and "disposability" are very different?
                The parachute has already been sucked more than once - it does not work cheaply and the weight is considerable and the soft landing is in question. Well, with scooping up water from the engines, the Yankees already met on the shuttles, they did not like it.
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 11 2016 04: 59
                  0
                  Why is all disposable cheaper? Compare the price. RD-180 falls into the water, the Americans.
                  No one forbids parachuting to the ground as the Airborne Forces lowers the tanks.
                  With a parachute, the first stages of the Shuttle were reusable for more than 30 years and 130 launches, without question.
                  1. clidon
                    clidon April 11 2016 18: 59
                    0
                    It is important not cheaper, more expensive, but how much cheaper. RD-180 can fall anywhere (although I don’t know. As the Americans see, the stage sits down.
                    You apparently don’t understand the difference between a “tank” that descends not on its own, but on a platform (for some reason, and a shell missile stage. However, we have already tried to plant the steps “in the steppe” in this way, it didn’t work out.

                    With a parachute, the first stages of the Shuttle were reusable for more than 30 years and 130 launches, without question.

                    Immediately, the gain will be much greater than that of solid-fuel shuttles.
                    1. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 12 2016 04: 02
                      0
                      Not only that is important. The Americans are landing the Falcon-9 stage and not Atlas-5, instead of just parachuting into the Ocean laughing
                      Planted and it turned out. And how does it land on Mars by parachute, even in the absence of water, but in the presence of atmosphere?
                      1. clidon
                        clidon April 12 2016 18: 33
                        0
                        The Americans sits step with 9 out of 10 engines.

                        They didn’t succeed in planting. That is why this type of landing was abandoned and winged steps began to fence.
                        Compare the gravity of Mars and Earth, not to mention the other "subtleties" of Martian landings.
                      2. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 12 2016 19: 00
                        0
                        Why not c 99yu? Instead of half from RD-170
                        With everything that they planted like that - it turned out, they plant something even now.
                        Compare the degree of rarefaction of the atmosphere ...
                      3. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 19: 40
                        0
                        Because 10 is enough. Of their own.
                        What kind of steps do we plant here?
                        And many Martian devices restarted? ) Honestly, it’s no longer funny to read.
                      4. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 21: 23
                        0
                        Did you decide to continue? laughing And why then do you need to buy halves from the RD-170?
                        Did anybody on Mars fuel them like the Moon-19 sleepwalkers? You should not write such nonsense.
                      5. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 22: 18
                        0
                        Well, here is something else aliens conspiracy did not seem to be disclosed yet?
                        You probably don’t know that there is more than one rocket company in the USA? Falkon is SpaceX. Atlas-5 - ULA.
                        Well, you write the same directly comparing the landing on Mars and the return of the working stage.
                      6. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 14 2016 06: 28
                        0
                        Yes, and they really do not have enough of you to take part in it ... Well, they would put on the Atlas-5 engines from the falcon-9, or start up with a heavy "Delta".
                      7. clidon
                        clidon April 14 2016 16: 53
                        0
                        Well, yes - one competing company will deliver its engines to another rival company. Not me seriously - you have your own world in your head. Moreover, the real is very different.
                      8. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 05: 40
                        -1
                        Well, then they would start with engines from the "Delta". or with the "pantner" RD-33 from "Antares".
                        Falcon-9 was made on the basis of what? ULA is a division of NASA.
                      9. clidon
                        clidon April 15 2016 20: 24
                        0
                        Who launched it? ULA (which is actually the alliance of Boeing and Lockheed) had only the Delta-4, but this missile has extremely expensive engines (and, accordingly, launch). The Americans abandoned the Antaresov RD-33 (which is generally a different office) after the accident.
                        As a result, there is only SpaceX with its own Merlin engines (in the depths of which you can find technology from Apollo lunar modules) on its own Falcon-9 rocket.
                      10. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 20: 58
                        0
                        And what is so extremely expensive about them? ULA is the former NASA unit that launched everything at NASA, then it was taken out of the NASA state, now it can be anything. And they began to paint on ULA rockets instead of USA or NASA, and also began to raise the Florida flag above the US flag at the cosmodrome - in NASA itself, only managers remained ... RD-33 competing? Maybe it's all the same de "partner" like the RD-180? And there were no accidents with the Falcon-9?
                        The rocket may be its own (although it was rather ordered on the side like almost everything now), and its engines are "made" on the basis of a NASA engine. bully In the framework of the same privatization from which only managers remained in NASA ...
                      11. clidon
                        clidon April 15 2016 23: 09
                        0
                        ULA is primarily a private business alliance. And then I don’t know who they were there in girlhood.
                        RD-33 is now generally in brackets. Maybe forever. Falcon-9 was an accident, but not the fault of the engines.
                        This is the tenth case on the basis of what they made their engines there. The main thing is that they exist and fly.
                      12. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 23: 58
                        0
                        First of all, the former NASA division, which uses serious rockets with serious engines, which last time they exploded for a long time, or (those that are RD-180) did not explode at all.
                        Well, and why RD-33 is out of brackets? Not the tenth - these scouts are based on the NASA engine, from serious uncles, some of whom were later hired (not for a pimple countdown). And then a tank is simply attached to the engine.
                        The tenths you are trying to imagine here.
                      13. clidon
                        clidon April 16 2016 18: 58
                        0
                        You probably have a poor idea of ​​the difference between private and state business. People can be the same, but the principles of work are different. Now these are different offices and their inventions also belong to them.
                        RD-33 ditched one launch and was sent to the warehouse. And there were problems with him before that. Therefore, hardly anyone wants to "try again".
                      14. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 19 2016 01: 43
                        0
                        Made by or for NASA, owned by NASA. In America it is. There is no state business, and the private trader is an individual entrepreneur.
                        Well, probably it was necessary to put it on the other side ... But on the stands before that everything was fine?
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  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 9 2016 13: 48
    +6
    It’s better to sell high-tech products than to drive oil for nothing
    the border. How many factories works for these engines, and people have their own
    piece of bread and butter.
  • Dargavs
    Dargavs April 9 2016 13: 52
    0
    Very interesting, here are discussed the REFLECTIONS of the Pentagon on the need to use Russian goods. I invite Russian lawmakers and authorities to start discussing the issue of Sanctioned refusal of iPhone Supplies, after having previously discussed with comrades from Korea the cost of such gambling for them. This will be the answer (Of course, the stink will be, first of all, from his American fans) ☺
  • vglazunov
    vglazunov April 9 2016 14: 04
    0
    Russia, in response to US sanctions, continues to sell rocket engines to launch military satellites, which coordinated the terror of the United States in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, the DPR and LPR ...
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 9 2016 14: 13
      +1
      The capitalist himself will sell the rope on which he will be hung.
      We have capitalism for reference.
      1. vglazunov
        vglazunov April 9 2016 19: 05
        0
        That's what traitors need for eggs and the moon laughing
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez April 9 2016 14: 11
    +1
    The most powerful economy in the world, unable to create its own engine. An interesting criterion for evaluating this economy. Or, as always, LIE?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 9 2016 14: 18
      0
      The following LVs are currently flying on their engines.
      Taurus, Minotaur, Delta-4, Falcon-9.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 April 9 2016 14: 21
    +1
    Doubts in the lunar program of the USA are confirmed by the enchanting lies of the highest ranks of the state and presidents. It is somehow difficult to believe pathological liars. If today the USA cannot do without imported engines, it is difficult to believe in the success of the * lunar program *. If today they do not have technical capabilities for near-Earth space, questions arise.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 9 2016 14: 38
    +2
    You shouldn’t underestimate the Americans.
    The head of Tesla Motors and SpaceX, Elon Musk, speaking at a press conference after the successful launch of the next Falcon 9 rocket with cargo for the ISS, said that the reusable first stage can be used from 10 to 20 times, and after a little modification and repair, one rocket can withstand up to one hundred launches, reports Reuters.
    In addition, he announced the launch this year of a heavy modification of the Falcon rocket, the first stage of which will be powered by 27 Merlin liquid rocket engines instead of the nine found in the Falcon 9 launched.
    On April 8, 2016, SpaceX was the first to vertically land the first stage of a Falcon 9 launch vehicle onto a floating platform in the ocean. The rocket was launched from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral at 23:43 Moscow time.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 9 2016 15: 37
      +1
      Do not tell Hop ... They already had shuttles that were reusable. It turned out expensive, constant problems with ceramic tiles, accident rate, and a lot of things. Why will it be different this time? And then there is a mega step with 27 engines. This is what a control system should be. In general, so far only advertising ...
      1. theth
        theth April 9 2016 15: 47
        +1
        Do not confuse warm (shuttle) with round (reusable first stage of the launch vehicle)
  • Valkh
    Valkh April 9 2016 15: 42
    0
    Well, okay !!! We must leave them to ourselves - they will come in handy someday !!! And Asashays, let them rivet themselves! laughing they flew to the moon))))
    1. theth
      theth April 9 2016 15: 51
      +1
      Insanity, leave it to yourself ... Engines are made for a specific order, there is no order. Our industry is idle, people do not get paid, related industries do not work, young economist.
      And asashaytsya you can not worry
      Head of Tesla Motors and SpaceX, Ilon Musk, speaking at a press conference after the successful launch of the next Falcon 9 rocket with cargo for the ISS, said that the reusable first stage can be used 10 to 20 times, and after a little refinement and repair one rocket can withstand up to a hundred launches, reports Reuters.
      In addition, he announced the launch this year of a heavy modification of the Falcon rocket, the first stage of which will be equipped with 27 Merlin liquid rocket engines instead of nine, which are installed in the launched Falcon 9.
      On April 8, 2016, SpaceX first succeeded in vertically landing the first stage of the Falcon 9 booster rocket on a floating platform in the ocean. The rocket launched from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral at 23:43 Moscow time.
  • Igor Olegovich
    Igor Olegovich April 9 2016 15: 51
    -1
    Quote: Magic Archer
    Once they decided to refuse then there is nothing for them to sell them! Let them as they want and launch.

    Then it will be necessary to redo the old joke about the fact that when the launch of the next satellite, three hundred blacks, I apologize, African-Americans, received a hernia.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 9 2016 15: 57
    -2
    What the fuck is this ??? And didn’t you try to turn your hands off to the Americans? Are we so rich, noble? PolPlanet fed under the Communists and stubbornly helping the poor states? Those lobbyists - in the studio, show me their faces. My neighbor, a grandmother, gives almost all of her pension to a rent and is forced to look for a caretaker to JUST FEED. And they are the MILITARY satellites on our dvigunami launch and dream with them to destroy us. This is normal ? Not something in our kingdom. Moreover, it is a betrayal of national interests, it’s time to plant Kazzlov for a long time. They paid attention - the journalists will show a plot about the state gentry, and silence ... The case has been started, the brakes have been lowered, the people under the house arrest, like Vasiliev, moreover, have been dismissed from the civil service. A terrible punishment, you can’t imagine worse.
  • theth
    theth April 9 2016 16: 04
    +2
    Quote: iliitch
    Those lobbyists - in the studio, show me their faces.

    CEO
    State Corporation for Space Activities ROSKOSMOS
    Komarov Igor Anatolyevich
    That showed what's next? Will you go to protest? So for you, the National Guard speared
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 9 2016 16: 12
    0
    It is necessary, it is not necessary ... a lot of water. Here is an article six months ago, everything is in place.

    Is the American BE-4 engine a “buryer” of the Russian RD-180?
    5.09.2015
    Yuri Karash

    The boiling of passions, at least in the media, about RD-180 gradually subsided.
    The United States has a two-year supply of Russian engines, and the Air Force and the United Launch Alliance (ULA) company, which operates Delta-4 and Atlas-5 rockets (the latter uses RD-180) , have already asked Congress to soften the tough demand put forward by lawmakers: “After 2019 of the year - no RD-180! "American rockets that launch payloads into space in the interests of national security will fly only on American engines."

    “Our engine is likely to be ready for the 2019 year, and it is likely that it will have completed a successful flight by this time,” the ULA and the Air Force told Congress. - But after all, flying once and being certified for regular operation is not the same thing. Therefore, it’s good that we have the opportunity to purchase a batch of RD-180 for use after the 2019 year. ”

    The Chamber of Deputies, in principle, is ready to consider this option and has even pledged funds for this kind of purchase into the draft budget for the 2016 year. However, the Senate Committee on Armed Forces is adamant: 2019 is the deadline! Moreover, Russia made it clear that if it will continue to supply RD-180 to the USA, it will only be used on Atlas-5 launch vehicles that will launch exclusively civilian payloads into space.
  • demiurg
    demiurg April 9 2016 17: 18
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    You shouldn’t underestimate the Americans.
    The head of Tesla Motors and SpaceX, Elon Musk, speaking at a press conference after the successful launch of the next Falcon 9 rocket with cargo for the ISS, said that the reusable first stage can be used from 10 to 20 times, and after a little modification and repair, one rocket can withstand up to one hundred launches, reports Reuters.
    In addition, he announced the launch this year of a heavy modification of the Falcon rocket, the first stage of which will be powered by 27 Merlin liquid rocket engines instead of the nine found in the Falcon 9 launched.
    On April 8, 2016, SpaceX was the first to vertically land the first stage of a Falcon 9 launch vehicle onto a floating platform in the ocean. The rocket was launched from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral at 23:43 Moscow time.


    27 engines say ... Nude nude. We will look at it.
  • vnedra
    vnedra April 9 2016 17: 30
    +2
    what about the trampoline laughing
  • mik0588
    mik0588 April 9 2016 17: 58
    0
    Quote: vnedra
    what about the trampoline laughing

    I beg you ... Yes, as well as the ammonia pipeline from Samara to Odessa, it has been perfectly functioning for many years, despite the passage of it through the DPR and, naturally, Ukrland ....
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam April 9 2016 18: 13
    0
    They give us sanctions for far-fetched reasons, and we give them RD180. Well is not this stupidity. Jobs, technology, etc. etc. All this requires not only brains but also money, and they (as a means of payment from them). The lifting of sanctions in exchange for engines, I think an honest business. Especially for military purposes.
  • Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 April 9 2016 18: 13
    +1
    Quote: yuriy55
    Quote: cniza
    ... you need to sell, let them depend on us.


    Are you very interested in exchanging real products for American waste paper? In this case, it is necessary to give the documentation for the production of the latest developments ... And why should they suffer?

    What nonsense. At the moment, the dollar is real money. Pay debts, bribe gold, chip technology, etc. Infected Marshal Svidomo - de ... l bl ... b. Kindergarten, to sever ties and contracts themselves.
  • Fat
    Fat April 9 2016 19: 19
    0
    Not in the subject, sorry. Literally now, someone * beats the topic "Russian North" even with 5 attempts!
  • Fat
    Fat April 9 2016 19: 40
    0
    Not tired of selling RD = 180? DECADES! And it’s time for us (especially) and Amers to come up with a replacement .... last year’s flag, the FSE has faded for a long time, and someone continues to wave with this ragged dusty rag.
    A persistent rejection of the "theme" developed ... A little more, six months, a year or two ... There will be a persistent allergy to this ugly "Yeltsin" breakthrough in the trade of "high" technologies .... Citizens! I have a thoroughbred horse, smart, meek, obedient buy it at a high price! I will make a discount!
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 9 2016 20: 49
      +1
      Quote: Thick
      Not tired of selling RD = 180? DECADES! And it’s time for us (especially) and Amers to come up with a replacement .... last year’s flag, the FSE has faded for a long time, and someone continues to wave with this ragged dusty rag.
      A persistent rejection of the "theme" developed ... A little more, six months, a year or two ... There will be a persistent allergy to this ugly "Yeltsin" breakthrough in the trade of "high" technologies .... Citizens! I have a thoroughbred horse, smart, meek, obedient buy it at a high price! I will make a discount!

      Water water water. You do not know about the RD-191? Sometimes it's better to chew.
  • Huan karlos
    Huan karlos April 9 2016 19: 54
    0
    Let them refuse, it is not known when their Carlsons will earn ...
  • Olegater
    Olegater April 9 2016 21: 11
    0
    Remember how Ivan Vasilievich dealt with the first Russian Icarus. Put on a barrel of gunpowder and let fly. So roughly suggest that they launch their astronauts.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2016 23: 31
      +3
      Already fly without our engines - Dragon ship
      1. Appokalipsis
        Appokalipsis April 10 2016 05: 15
        +5
        SpaceX is underestimated, and the office is serious and stubbornly moving toward its goal ... I think that in 3-5 years it will leave Roscosmos ... at 5 points ... And smart people like Rogozin and the grief of the patriots there, too ... There was already one smart guy Sechin with shale oil ... already planted ... in that very place ...
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        2. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 10 2016 05: 27
          +1
          Therefore, it is better to cut off the deliveries of these engines to them and let them with their Space-X come to this point now ...

          have shale oil everywhere
          1. Appokalipsis
            Appokalipsis April 10 2016 05: 57
            +1
            Yes, to ... the whole world ... they put Sechin in ... 3-4 years ago he called the US shale producers a "fake" ... They are also talking about Falkon 9 now ...
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 10 2016 09: 04
              -1
              To do this only in order to assign Sechin? lol
              Have you tried to compare it with Atlas-V with Russian RDs?
        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag April 10 2016 08: 00
          +1
          Quote: Appokalipsis
          Underestimate SpaceX, and the office is serious and stubbornly goes to its goal ...

          There is also Jeff Bezos with his Blue Origin, although he started with a suborbital rocket, but he had all three takeoffs and landings earlier than Mask and it seems he also wants to fit into transport services
  • Awaz
    Awaz April 9 2016 23: 19
    +2
    Of course, you can scold and poke their faces on the table, but not everything is so good in the Russian space agency, and indeed in the space industry. It would be necessary to restore order in yourself first. After all, it is no secret that in small Russian regions the space market is losing. The press has heaps of cheating statements, but in reality there are continuous scandals, accidents and theft. I will not be surprised that the quality of space engineers in Russia is compared with the American one. This comparison is not the best. You yourself admit that with good staff they have strains. It may all end in the development of Soviet technologies and the Russian Federation will finally sink into the third - fourth world.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2016 15: 47
      0
      The next 15 years, Russia will not have any breakthrough in space exploration - the only things that are being done now are promising are nuclear engines and a rocket engine using liquefied natural gas.
  • bald
    bald April 10 2016 05: 22
    +1
    But it’s wiser to sell for the appropriate amount --- to maintain our Roskosmos. Buying from us, they slow down their brains - and this is degradation. And yet - you can sell a modified (in the direction we need) version - I do not mean engine damage.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 10 2016 05: 32
      0
      Support Roskosmos - give it a ... nickname so that it attaches a fuel tank to these engines and begins to make commercial launches of satellites himself and not drive them to America and even launch Protons from Baikonur through an American intermediary firm ...
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte April 10 2016 06: 17
    +1
    All space "victories" of amers are a lie! Without engines, how did they get into space?
    Yes, they know how to shoot linden in Hollywood!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 10 2016 08: 01
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      Without engines, how did they get into space?

      Does the name Werner von Braun tell you nothing?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 10 2016 17: 24
      0
      Quote: Neophyte
      All space "victories" of amers are a lie! Without engines, how did they get into space?

      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
      Well, argue about the Lunar program - God bless them, but it turns out they didn’t fly into space at all ????? This is what kind of horizons one must have in order to think of such a thing ?????
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus April 10 2016 06: 44
    +1
    not to sell engines to them, let them hire ours to indulge, but it’s better to send them altogether, let the catapults build
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2016 15: 50
      +1
      Yes, have already been sent to a new contract for ttps engines: //news.mail.ru/politics/25415414/? Frommail = 1
  • kamski
    kamski April 10 2016 09: 05
    -1
    No US sales, otherwise they wanted and sold them. Let your Wishlist shove in your ass. EMBARGO so EMBARGO and into space let them fly on their rockets. The less communicate with these animals the better, once again we are convinced that they do not understand the normal language of communication. Typical hamlo
  • karakuin
    karakuin April 10 2016 13: 56
    -2
    Gentlemen humiliate you, spit in the face, do nasty things, and you sell them good-natured ones? Hey, wake up! If you don’t respect yourself, keep grunting about business. As always, someone has their own shekel. Is not it? NKVD there are no businessmen on you. Chop off tails, capture the market, deprive the ability to control the constellation of satellites. What's not clear? And monotonously twist them Faberge in all directions. And it turns out exactly as in the forty-first. Put things in order in the economy - the simplest and most logical recipe.
  • Maksim
    Maksim April 11 2016 11: 47
    0
    It seems to me that you need to stop selling RD-180, and start selling RD-180 Service Pack 1, it’s just two times more expensive, given the release of service pack 2 laughing
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 11 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: Makcim
      just two times more expensive, given the release of service pack 2

      Twice as expensive, they don't fucking need! They will use a different medium - "a holy place is never empty" laughing
      Dragon, an American cargo ship (Falcon 9 booster rocket) docked with the International Space Station (ISS) on Sunday. He delivered more than three tons of cargo: drinking water, food, lettuce, laboratory mice, a new folding living module and much more. The docking of the Dragon cargo ship with the ISS did without incident, NASA reported.
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 13 2016 11: 32
        -1
        you see, mice are already being transported - a little more and they will reach dwarf chimpanzees

        on their dwarf engines, in a pack of 9 of which refuse at least one and finita la comedy
        well, they’re unnecessary so they don’t buy, we don’t force them, we’ll not sell it to China, if we sell our government