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The State Department did not decide on whether the publication of "Panamanian papers" theft of documents

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State Department spokesman Mark Toner failed to answer the question, what is the difference between declassifying "Panamanian documents" and publishing illegally obtained documents on the WikiLeaks website, reports RIA News.




One of the journalists reminded Toner that "the US government took a firm stand against Julian Assandge and Edward Snowden, calling both criminals, and declassifying documents - theft."

“This is a fair comment,” noted Toner. “But I’m not ready yet to answer the question of whether the US government considers the publication of the Panamanian archive as a theft of documents, and whether the US administration as a whole will consider these actions criminal.”

Earlier, Washington took a principled position, stating that “the declassification of WikiLeaks documents is theft”. Then the State Department called such actions non-patriotic, and even criminal.

Recall that the recently published “Panamanian papers” refer to the involvement of a number of world leaders and their entourage to offshore schemes.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 9 2016 10: 51
    +6
    Like in a movie, a conversation with my wife: If I sleep with my mistress, then we fuck, if you sleep with a lover, then they fuck us. smile
    1. milann
      milann April 9 2016 10: 56
      +14
      The United States is the largest offshore company in the world, and the publication of the Panama Papers is a banal elimination of an offshore competitor in this market, by the way, the financing of this scam was carried out by Soros, the most rotten citizen of our planet. So no thefts. Business only.
      1. neo.
        neo. April 9 2016 11: 12
        +3
        Quote: milann
        The states are the largest offshore in the world

        And they say that it is safest to keep money in their banks.
        Most banks, even the most closed Swiss banks, are obliged to issue information about deposits and depositors to the states (otherwise, large fines or worse (they know how to play tricks), and American banks will not give anything to anyone.
        And the bolivar will not stand (will not tolerate) other offshore companies.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 9 2016 11: 54
          +4
          The United States, as always, admits that all are not guilty only.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur April 9 2016 12: 20
            +1
            By the way, many Western media are screaming that these "papers" exposed Putin's corruption, Putinoliards, ..., although there is nothing on him. Here is such a dirty info-war.
            V.V.Zh. : "Scum, scoundrels!"
          2. assam4
            assam4 April 9 2016 21: 50
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            Yes, the State Department screwed up, instead of forty billion Putin found some miserable 2 billion cellist, who he honestly earned and kept in an offshore to buy musical instruments for the Russian Federation. It would be a pity if this money is arrested, it would be possible to provide Russia with musical instruments for 50 years ...
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      2. demo
        demo April 9 2016 12: 12
        +2
        And in addition.
        Disclosure of such information by journalists seems unlikely.
        It was not without special services.
        And whose service in Panama feels at home is the United States.
        Why do they need it?
        Eliminating a competitor is half the battle.
        Disclosure of information is the path to destabilization in those countries whose officials are smeared with this story.
        There is a possibility of changing leaders in a "democratic" way.
        The elimination of objectionable and obstinate will open the way for the promotion of their own candidacies.
        1. ARMAT
          ARMAT April 9 2016 13: 32
          +1
          I think the whole point is .... [quote = demo],
    2. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2016 21: 45
      0
      Like in a movie, a conversation with my wife: If I sleep with my mistress, then we fuck, if you sleep with a lover, then they fuck us. smile

      What is characteristic: not a single surname from Germany and the FSA! Load the oranges in barrels.
      The cellist is a great musician and a person with a capital letter, a philanthropist and Master who does a lot to find talents and educate them. Created the "River of Talents" project.
      And these insects from ex-matzylatyn, gonopolsky and others, what did they do?
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  3. Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 10: 53
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    The Americans are completely confused in their aspirations ... It is called "manual sunrise".
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 9 2016 10: 53
    +1
    whether the US government would regard the publication of the Panama Papers as theft of documents, and whether the US administration as a whole would consider these actions criminal

    There is no need to think. If this is beneficial to the United States, then actions cannot be considered criminal, especially intelligence agencies and provided journalists with these documents. Well, if this information concerned exclusively American politicians, then a priori actions are criminal.
  5. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 9 2016 10: 54
    +4
    The US State Department and morality are not compatible with each other.
    Therefore, there is nothing to discuss ...
  6. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 10: 56
    +2
    Well, we learned that the rulers of many countries are swindlers and embezzlers ... so we knew this before "Panama". The question is, what will this change? Is there really at least one criminal case? Or so - they pole and forget?
    1. Witold
      Witold April 10 2016 23: 54
      0
      Putin is a criminal case against himself .....? Ha ha ha ha!
  7. udincev
    udincev April 9 2016 11: 02
    +1
    Toner. - But I am not yet ready to answer the question whether the American government will regard the publication of the Panama Papers as theft of documents, and also whether the US administration as a whole will consider these actions criminal
    Obviously, the score will depend on the effectiveness of the injection. So far, the influence of the stuffing on Putin is close to 0. And what will turn out for "someone like him substituted" is another question. Therefore, the assessment of the Americans "is not yet ready to answer."
    The money was invested, "baked" (this is in contrast to the revelations of Assange and Snowden), the result is "still unknown" ...
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 9 2016 12: 00
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      Quote: udincev
      Obviously, the score will depend on the effectiveness of the stuffing

      Petersburg creaklo-liberalists have already become aroused - they have impeached Putin.
      I can’t understand - where they are only caught, such pterodactyls. wassat
      In St. Petersburg psychiatric hospitals, the open day was similar (especially the dude in the blue hat delivered it).
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 9 2016 12: 25
        +3
        Gray brother In St. Petersburg psychiatric hospital open day was like

        Yes, no, not from the hospital. But funny faces are like one degenerative. Maybe we didn’t see what. A spontaneous mutation has occurred and a new subspecies has appeared: Homo Liberasticus?
        I can’t say that I like to beat someone, but these, so I want, clogged my head in the army push. Remember, such a toilet, such as a station.
        The therapy, of some especially stubborn, after dipping head over heels, took leaps and bounds towards a rational person.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother April 9 2016 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          but these

          Their police guard, unfortunately.
          On the other hand, during the events on Bolotnaya, the contingent was somewhat different - mostly office stewards. And now, every time, such animals get out into the white light that you are amazed.
          Degradation is evident.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 9 2016 13: 50
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            Gray brother Degradation is evident.

            Well, if so. But somehow it develops with this opposition that you cease to believe in the natural process (paranoia?). Looked at a meeting in Vilnius. The behavior of Kasparov, Bozena. So people who understand do not behave with reporters. that any of their sneezes, repeatedly amplified and distorted. And, there’s no need to invent anything. Hoopoes. I can’t believe in simplicity and landslide degradation. But I could not understand what the catch is, there is no information.
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 17: 17
        +2
        I live in St. Petersburg. For the first time I saw how a handful of mentally unhealthy people staged a mega-action at the arch of the gates of the General Staff. Well, what can I say - look at their faces and you will understand everything yourself and make the correct diagnosis yourself. We generally have a lot of all kinds of informal people here - they weren’t hungover.
  8. avva2012
    avva2012 April 9 2016 11: 03
    +5
    If Kerry really brought Panamanian papers as a diplomat, then, the United States has not yet received such a slap in the face. He rode with full confidence that the blackmail would work. With it, insolent. If Russia were led, then the whole world would still know about it. Without details, without disclosing the facts, but that the blackmail was a success, they guessed. That is, they wanted to put Russia in a stalemate. They were sure. And it turned out that Kerry is just a show. Ah, USA, inept gopnik. What a loss of face.
    Moveton.
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob April 9 2016 11: 30
      +3
      Quote: avva2012
      If Kerry really brought Panamanian papers to a diplomat


      By the way, this is a new word in the history of international diplomacy - almost openly blackmailing the President of the Great Power with fake dirt, in full confidence that he’ll give a ride. They are truly exceptional ... dely.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 9 2016 12: 03
        -1
        Quote: lysyj bob By the way, this is a new word in the history of international diplomacy - almost openly blackmailing the President of the Great Power with fake dirt, in full confidence that he’ll give a ride. They are truly exceptional ...

        They, as they think of themselves, are simply exceptional. Hookahs, arrogant to fainting. So spite them spitting in a mug.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 9 2016 12: 56
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          Quote: avva2012
          So spite them spitting in a mug.

          Quote: avva2012
          Do not choke on saliva

          laughing
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 9 2016 13: 19
            0
            What, Asya, can’t you calm down?
            Cons from colleagues? laughing
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 9 2016 13: 35
              0
              Quote: avva2012
              Asya

              Asya is FIVE laughing
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 9 2016 13: 57
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null Asya is FIVE

                Thanks. I like it myself. fellow
                I want to ask, who is he, Comrade Krims, known?
                Damn good writing! An indicator, for me personally of journalistic talent, is when a person writes about abstruse things easily and clearly.
              2. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS April 9 2016 13: 59
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Asya is FIVE

                Troll you again laughing
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 9 2016 13: 57
              0
              Quote: avva2012
              What, Asya, can’t you calm down?

              Would you even sleep, or something wink
              Quote: avva2012
              Cons from colleagues?

              As my Friend nvv said, we are all on the site of Fellow soldiers, but people like you took it too close to my heart, He was a Good Man soldier

              You are exaggerating your importance too much, you got some disadvantages that you earned, it was for you to relocate pensioners to a kennel and for a chatter about 2,5 thousand rents.
              and I have long loved these mice. repeat
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 9 2016 14: 20
                -1
                Humorous, ironic, eclectic. And while reading, your comment above is poetic.
                Anecdote, by the way, remembered about mice. Are you a dwarf, or what?
                They talked about caution in choosing a partner, which might, with such a sad fact, be over. I mean, with mice.
  9. PKK
    PKK April 9 2016 11: 05
    0
    Undecided! Well, strike at him big and fat, though they’re more likely to think, don’t stupid.
  10. Pirogov
    Pirogov April 9 2016 11: 06
    0
    We know their uncertainty! Every day, they build a girl from the USA, they do not understand, they have not decided yet, they hope, etc. ...........
  11. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 9 2016 11: 06
    +4
    Offshore Poroshenko discovered:
    smile
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 April 9 2016 12: 06
      +2
      Offshore Poroshenko discovered:
      smile
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 9 2016 12: 18
        0
        And his expense exceeds income. smile
  12. Cat man null
    Cat man null April 9 2016 11: 07
    +11
    There is an interesting version about the reasons for the recent "offshore scandal", I will give a brief summary:

    - Americans have long (and successfully) struggled with the current offshore schemes
    - The last stage in the destruction of the remnants of the old offshore system was the signing by most countries of the world of the Convention on Mutual Assistance in Tax Matters (Convention on Mutual Administrative Assistance in Tax Matters), which involves the automatic exchange of data necessary for taxation between signatory countries
    - the USA itself, however, did not sign this Convention

    Next is a quote:

    Quote: http://politrussia.com/ekonomika/amerikanskie-rotshildy-905/
    Where now to escape to the average large official who has accumulated millions of unjust dollars and keeps them in a trust in the British Virgin Islands or in Guernsey? And here the United States enters the stage, all in white, which just right can be renamed the Offshore States of America.
    ...
    When it comes to the Rothschilds, offshore and the export of corrupt capital to the West, the Russian liberal usually rolls his eyes and starts mockingly wailing about theories of the conspiracy and the newspaper "Tomorrow". Amazingly, such skepticism is usually found among citizens who fanatically believe in all sorts of ratings about the perception of corruption that make up American NGOs. This is very funny.
    ...
    Like all ingenious, the scheme that the Rothschilds offer to customers is simple and effective: a special LLC is created in Nevada that nominally owns a special trust managed by a Rothschild company and / or lawyer, assets are transferred to it, assets are transferred to the American banking system and. .. all. From this moment on, the client is promised complete confidentiality, since the trust managers will not disclose the beneficiaries of the trust to anyone other than the US government, and American banks observe the principle of bank secrecy when communicating with foreign governments.
    ...

    So way

    Quote: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com/89904.html
    the Panama scandal is not about Putin or Xi, but a loud advertising campaign for the new American offshore system.

    The American branch of the Rothschilds kind of hints to various wealthy citizens: "If you don't bring capital to Nevada, you might end up in the next sink." And Putin and Xi - this is so, for the volume of the news feed

    About how belay
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 9 2016 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      About how

      So it is, they pull the loot to themselves, and they frighten others.
      "Exceptional nation".
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 9 2016 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      There is a curious version

      Well, this version is no worse than others, and even seems more reliable. At least it explains some not quite clear points.
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    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 9 2016 12: 22
      +4
      Quote: Gray Brother
      So it is, they pull the loot to themselves, and they frighten others.
      "Exceptional nation"

      Nothing personal - only business (c) Don Carleone, EMNIP

      Quote: EvgNik
      This version is no worse than others, and even seems more reliable. At least explains some not quite clear points

      I generally like the articles of this author. I especially like dragging here repeat

      I recommend: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 9 2016 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        I recommend: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com

        Interesting. Added to bookmarks.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 April 9 2016 12: 48
        0
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        I recommend: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com

        I already liked it by reading an article about the guard. Plus, thanks.
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 9 2016 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      there is an interesting version of the reasons for the recent "offshore scandal"

      This version has the right to life. That's just ... a corrupt official is usually not a titan of the mind, but a cunning one is incredible. And he understands the simple thing - the Americans will not stop. They just do not know how to stop, the wrong people.
      So the money will be taken from him there, in Nevada. They will come up with some reason and take it away. Inevitably. And everything will be quiet and decent, the Americans know how to remove a person so that he does not have time to squeak. And in the diagnosis they will write - cancer.
      I think they rather stepped on their feet, wise guys. They showed everyone that they would open anyone for the sake of momentary profit. Well, a banking service will return that does not use computers at all or uses in such volumes that it will not be hacked. Impossible? Even as possible if the money goes. The same hawala can easily switch to messengers with a trained memory, and it will work even without electricity :).
      In this case, the condition for survival and preservation of money will be a simple rule - kill the American as soon as he saw it. Do not do business with him. Do not even talk! And then they’ll break you through him, but most likely he is looking for your money to take it away. So that...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 9 2016 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        So the money will be taken from him there, in Nevada. They will come up with some reason and take it away. Inevitably. And everything will be quiet and decent, the Americans know how to remove a person so that he does not have time to squeak. And in the diagnosis they’ll write - cancer

        IMHO somewhere nearby grazes horse.. named Spirology .. see:

        - such cases (with the selection of money, and even more so with the physical elimination of the "depositor") - will inevitably come out. What will entail the loss of confidence of the "depositors" and, as a consequence, the outflow of money from the system, therefore:
        - no one will take anything
        - will just "twist" (money, yes)
        - and that’s it ..

        The US debt market is operating on the same basis. Trust, first of all, is the trust of participants ..

        Quote: Mikhail3
        I think they rather stepped on their feet, wise guys. They showed everyone that they would open anyone for the sake of momentary profit.

        IMHO is unlikely.

        Quote: Mikhail3
        a banking service will return that does not use computers at all or uses in such volumes that it will not be hacked. Impossible? Even as possible if the money goes. Same hawala it can easily switch to runners with trained memory, and will work even without electricity

        - carrier pigeons are perfect good
        - and who is "hawala"? belay

        Quote: Mikhail3
        the condition for survival and saving money will be a simple rule - finish off the American as soon as he saw

        - well, this is ... "not our method" (c)

        Quote: Mikhail3
        So ...

        ... IMHO yet horse...
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 9 2016 11: 08
    0
    They themselves are masters of their own rules - they themselves establish, they themselves change ... Hegemon, he is! He has everything according to the law (rewritten to the needs of the moment).
    1. udincev
      udincev April 9 2016 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They themselves are masters of their rules

      Well yes! A man owns his own word: he gave the word - he took the word back!
  14. soroKING
    soroKING April 9 2016 11: 18
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Like in a movie, a conversation with my wife: If I sleep with my mistress, then we fuck, if you sleep with a lover, then they fuck us. smile

    if I fuck, it’s erotica, and if you (wife), it’s pornography wassat
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  16. Tusv
    Tusv April 9 2016 11: 22
    +1
    Everything is simple. You can cut down the headstock for a quick - Publication, can not - Theft.
    And here it smells like very big dibs
  17. afrikanez
    afrikanez April 9 2016 14: 30
    +1
    Why there is so much talk around the Panama Papers, one might think that no one knew anything before. They inflate an elephant from a fly and all that. Corruption and money laundering have become an integral part of today's planetary life. The greed and greed of people is likely to destroy humanity.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 18: 12
      0
      Dear afrikanez ... forgive me, I accidentally minusanul you ... there was a negro-white puppy before you, I wanted him minusanut .. please understand and forgive recourse
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    3. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 18: 08
      0
      Well, I read the article ... And what to expect from Navalny? The trash is shorter. I do not like belolentochnikov. Catch the minus.
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  19. bloh1
    bloh1 April 9 2016 18: 16
    -1
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    .A what to expect from Navalny?

    Well, yes, he probably doesn’t like the USSR Stalin's dictators of thieves in general radish is a bad person
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 18: 29
      0
      Quote: bloh1
      Well, yes, he probably doesn’t like the USSR Stalin's dictators of thieves in general radish is a bad person

      What does he like? USSR, Stalin is the history of our country. Does he like America? What does he want? That's specifically what you are unhappy with?
      1. bloh1
        bloh1 April 9 2016 18: 43
        0
        here you are in my opinion just from America and arrived laughing
        if you don’t know what common people are dissatisfied with
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 18: 56
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          In my opinion, I just live in St. Petersburg and work as a doctor. I am also dissatisfied with many things, but to bring Russia to what you want is insanity. I remember perfectly the 90s. And you?
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    3. midivan
      midivan April 9 2016 22: 22
      +3
      Quote: bloh1
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      .A what to expect from Navalny?

      Well, yes, he probably doesn’t like the USSR Stalin's dictators of thieves in general radish is a bad person

      if my memory serves me (not personally heard, but somewhere in the open space), then in an interview with Vysotsky to foreign journalists, he replied, yes, I have complaints against the leadership of my country, but I do not intend to discuss them with you. to the liberals, and the bulk and the whole shobla, including those who live on the echoes who graze on the money of the West and their supporting "citizens" except as political homosexuals, I can't call my tongue
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 9 2016 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: Gray Brother
    On the other hand, during the events on Bolotnaya, the contingent was somewhat different - mostly office stewards. And now, every time, such animals get out into the white light that you are amazed.

    And the same contingent, and their animals are the same zoo. It is unlikely that in this rabble there will be a military man, an engineer or a janitor - plankton, victims of EG, and regulars in nightclubs.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental April 9 2016 19: 04
      +1
      I will answer who it is. This is my generation of the 80s. Having been educated and realizing that they pay little in their specialties, we rushed to Western offices. And there all at once. And as soon as they shut off oxygen, everything ... Putin is to blame. And the fact that they wiped the backside of computers while working to the west - they don’t care. They forgot how to work in the diploma, but they closed the office ...
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  21. bloh1
    bloh1 April 9 2016 21: 20
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    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    but to bring Russia to what you want is insanity.

    WE we want an honest, decent power, elected by the people in fair elections and not clique stuffing their pockets and this is your insanity. Kirov, a factory worker.