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Flight tests of the Envelope-8 UAV began in the Russian Federation

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Petersburg Research Institute of Applied Problems (GosNIIP) began testing an unmanned convertiplane "Envelope-8", reports RIA News.


Flight tests of the Envelope-8 UAV began in the Russian Federation


The convertoplan is capable of horizontal flight, hovering, taking off and landing in vertical mode.

“The complex is being created for reconnaissance of the area, including with the possibility of throwing small-sized technical means into hard-to-reach places using a vertical take-off / landing drone, flight tests have already begun,”
said the source in the defense industry.

According to him, “the maximum take-off weight of the UAV is eight kilograms, it uses a tandem-wing scheme, which provides a large carrying capacity, and four rotary screws, driven by electric motors.” The wingspan of the “Envelope” is 1,6 m, with a flight time of 1 per hour, it can carry up to 1,2 kg of payload.

“In the future, the UAV can be scaled to other dimensions,” the source said.

He said that “the complex includes UAVs of the convertoplan type, a modular optoelectronic surveillance system, a ground control system console, and a drop transport module.” For the operation of the complex requires the calculation of 2-x people.

“In Russia, work is currently underway on several projects of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the convertoplan type. They, in particular, involve the Kronstadt company (previously called Transas) with the Fregat and Rikor Electronics UAVs (together with the Unmanned Systems group of companies) with the devices Rikor and Aeroks the devices of the Era family, began research on this topic and Russian Helicopters ”, - said the expert in the field of unmanned vehicles Denis Fedutinov.
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  1. Kronos07
    Kronos07 April 9 2016 10: 02
    -6
    and y us .........
    1. Abbra
      Abbra April 9 2016 10: 08
      +7
      We were already scared .... bullyA good trimaran for barbecue trips.
      1. Kronos07
        Kronos07 April 9 2016 10: 11
        -10%
        you should not be afraid hi
        1. Altona
          Altona April 9 2016 10: 36
          +14
          Quote: Kronos07
          you should not be afraid

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          All schemes of ships of the classic, catamaran and trimaran types were described back in the 80s. Their advantages and disadvantages. I read in some popular science magazine, I don’t remember now. Either "Modeler-Constructor", or "Science and Life". Now there would be such a press instead of glossy rubbish.
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris April 9 2016 12: 04
            +3
            And what have the ships to do with it, after all, we are talking about an aircraft of a rather promising design - helicopter takeoff and landing, flight like an airplane .. About the magazines I completely agree with you. "TM" has been subscribing since 1978.
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: Kronos07
            you should not be afraid

            -----------------------
            All schemes of ships of the classic, catamaran and trimaran types were described back in the 80s. Their advantages and disadvantages. I read in some popular science magazine, I don’t remember now. Either "Modeler-Constructor", or "Science and Life". Now there would be such a press instead of glossy rubbish.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 9 2016 12: 35
              +2
              There is nothing promising in this unit.
      2. Portolan
        Portolan April 9 2016 11: 47
        +1
        it is not clear that in the picture, roofing felts envelopes, roofing felts under the envelopes
      3. vv3
        vv3 April 9 2016 15: 12
        +1
        They are testing not a convertoplan UAV, but a control system for such objects. The capabilities of UAVs themselves are so primitive that they do not reach the level of an aircraft model circle and why they were brought in the article is unclear. It could be said that they are working out a control system for an aircraft of the type that is being created here ... Now, if they were to test a mini engine that allows, instead of 2 hours, to stay in the air for 8 hours for an UAV .... Or try new UAV information systems ......
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 9 2016 10: 21
      +5
      And we have a water supply! Here!
      This is the same underwater robot that floats on the ocean and shouts to the whole ocean with its sonar - "Am I here?"
      A very big question, from the trimaran scheme to the way to search for submarines with active sonar.
      For such screamers, homing torpedoes were invented.
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch April 9 2016 10: 31
      +1
      SO WHAT ? In the oceans all sorts of accidents happen. The Great Kraken, for example, can drag a vessel. The dock of bad duo Eun, for example. And even in general, the abyss can. And do not dig, the law of the sea - it is a loose concept and double-edged. Is it weak under water? And we have already.
  2. tomcat117
    tomcat117 April 9 2016 10: 07
    +2
    Only beautiful planes fly well (A.N. Tupolev.)

    ..... sorry complex ......

    IMHO no offense will be said to the designers about the look of this miraculously-envelope envelope.
    I hope that this is the crown of a technical miracle ...... with difficulty .... but still.
    1. Kronos07
      Kronos07 April 9 2016 10: 15
      -8
      oh these minuses crying
    2. dauria
      dauria April 9 2016 11: 09
      +6
      I hope that this is the crown of a technical miracle ...... with difficulty .... but still.
      wink

      Hope in vain. One of thousands of already flying toys (both industrial and home-made)
      And the phrase "" In the future, the UAV can be scaled to other dimensions, "is a masterpiece for an" aircraft designer ". (don't yell, I also heard about the likeness of Froude and Reynolds, though a long time ago smile )
      With an increase in size, not aerodynamics will give them on their forehead, but simple strength and type of engines.
  3. Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 10: 10
    +4
    In general, a drawing (snapshot) in a not entirely successful projection for consideration. But the fact that now in Russia there is great competition for the creation of UAVs can only please. For mass production, the most worthy will be chosen.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 9 2016 10: 18
      0
      the fact that now in Russia there is a lot of competition for the creation of UAVs can only please

      I fully support you. While we are lagging behind in this area of ​​the aircraft industry, but everything goes to the point that this lag is not for long.
  4. gridasov
    gridasov April 9 2016 10: 10
    -11%
    You just need to add. that the UAV is super newest and super modern. There are not enough "ruffles". They do not fly better because of the number of wings.
    1. Fafnir
      Fafnir April 9 2016 10: 18
      +4
      Well yes, yes. We need new physical principles, pyramids, cosmic energy, aliens, etc. am Go on, otherwise you yourself are not like yourself.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 9 2016 10: 30
        +7
        Quote: Fafnir
        We need new physical principles, pyramids, cosmic energy

        As well as energy transformations, fractals .. and so that the electrons are necessarily rubbed by spins laughing
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 9 2016 10: 44
          -12%
          Yeah! And such clever people need graphs to analyze processes in a dynamic environment. And a full-volume holographic structure changing in algorithms can be pulled tight. But you can’t do without fractal dependencies in radial space. According to your mind, which is able to single out only particular solutions, but is not able to see the systemic relationships in its entirety, you can judge your professional suitability. Do not take up your job!
      2. gridasov
        gridasov April 9 2016 10: 34
        -12%
        "It is useless to scatter pearls in front of those who do not understand." And in fact there is no scientific approach to problem solving. Everything looks like the circles of young technicians. If it is serious at all. Then only new propellers, which have already been substantiated and calculated, can radically expand the possibilities of using aircraft. Physics and mathematics have always been and will be the basis for - first, justification and a thoughtful approach to solving aerodynamic problems and optimization of technical solutions.
        I once looked at how the issue of the input circuit in the SU-35S was solved (and not only). Solid hollow tube. It's a shame and a shame. Quite simply, you can increase the cross-sectional area of ​​the inlet nozzle several times. Moreover, not necessarily in the frontal vector of air pressure. Further, the surface of the flow outflow in the "pipe" must have its own configuration and structures of the outflow surface itself. In general, it seems that few people are seriously engaged in hydro-gas dynamics. But you need to change the essence of the methodology for analyzing such processes. In general, everything is connected and tied.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 9 2016 11: 00
          +5
          Quote: gridasov
          "It is useless to scatter pearls in front of those who do not understand." And in fact there is no scientific approach to problem solving. Everything looks like the circles of young technicians.

          -------------------------
          Why are you so with such comments? This apparatus was actually built by the "young technicians". Apparently, they were given this task in this form as TK. They coped the way they did. And why do you link the solution of the 8 kg drone problem with the Su-35? It is completely incomprehensible. Throw out an incoherent set of words, sorry, pseudo-scientific commentary. Not all contingent understands you right there.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 9 2016 11: 10
            -5
            That’s the essence of the fact that you look at UAVs and are enthusiastic or you don’t like it, but I consider how a person or people solved the problem of modeling and constructing aircraft. Therefore, the example with Sushka cited as an indicator of the level of analytics of the mind of its creators and those techniques that led them to such decisions. This does not mean bad or good in conclusions. It only means that they are capable or not.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil April 9 2016 11: 07
          +8
          Quote: gridasov
          "It is useless to scatter pearls in front of those who do not understand"

          Quote: gridasov
          In general, there is a feeling that few people are seriously engaged in hydro-gas dynamics.

          All right, I sit down to write a letter to Putin that such a skull is disappearing. This is Mozhaisky and Korolev in one bottle! And suddenly the khokhlam will start building a pepelatsy with an "increased cross-sectional area of ​​the inlet nozzle"! They will bomb all our armored Buryats! We urgently need to take our comrade home.
          Dear, such a monster as TsAGI is working on these problems, do you really think that a smarter team with horseradish knows how many tens of years of experience?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 9 2016 11: 15
            -10%
            "The general level of intelligence does not change from the number of sheep in the herd." Therefore, do not personally take this wisdom to yourself and in general to any of those present, But as they say, you cannot throw out words from the song. So a lot of research institutes are still needed, at least in order to understand. that this is not worth doing.
    2. Altona
      Altona April 9 2016 10: 30
      +5
      Quote: gridasov
      . They do not fly better and on the number of wings.

      -----------------------
      Why don't they fly better?
      A biplane is an aircraft with two bearing surfaces (wings), usually located one above the other. This design allows you to get a large wing area and lift with a smaller wingspan, which is very important with a lack of strength. Moreover, the increase in strength is facilitated by the ability to use closed frame structures from the upper and lower planes. The disadvantage is the increased aerodynamic drag. A variant with a lower wing significantly smaller than the upper one is called a half-wing. A variant of a biplane with planes not located one above the other (with spacing) is called tandem.

      The advantages of a biplane over a monoplane are as follows: dividing the bearing area into two planes has a good effect on the overall dimensions of the aircraft, which in turn causes a decrease in the total weight, as well as the vertical and horizontal moments of inertia. The decrease in moments of inertia positively affects the maneuverability of the apparatus. An additional gain in weight can come from the use of wing box bracing. The winged wing box can be implemented in the form of a statically indefinable design, which gives an additional margin of reliability. Practice has also shown greater than monoplanes resistance to stalling the flow from the wing, which is explained by the fact that, first of all, the stalling began on the upper (usually) forward wing set with a large angle of attack. At the same time, the lower wing continued to perform bearing functions. Instead of breaking into a corkscrew, a well-built biplane lowers its nose and picks up the speed necessary to create lift.

      Disadvantages of a biplane: the main of them, compared with a monoplane, is a higher profile resistance caused by the presence of two wings. The resistance of the strut and brace system, which is attributed to biplanes, is more likely to be present in the earliest aircraft designs, rather than in the pattern itself. In the history of aviation there are examples of biplanes with both clean (without struts and braces) wings, the so-called free-carrying biplanes. As a disadvantage, in some configurations of the apparatus, there may also be a restriction of the view between the wings.

      ------------------
      http://www.dogswar.ru/stat-o-wow/4009-poslednie-biplany-ss.html
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 9 2016 10: 51
        -5
        Explaining! If we consider the whole range of issues that should be harmoniously combined in aircraft, then with the modern approach everything looks like "pulling a blanket with holes." Here we pull it, it's cold. So it is with such decisions. Of course, if a UAV is needed for a specific task, then all the same, all flight conditions are too changeable. Therefore, not just a reserve of engine power is needed, but a "reserve" of opportunities for a favorable flight in these changing conditions. It means that?! We need a propulsion unit combined with an engine on fundamentally new proportional dependencies, or rather independencies. What am I talking about for the thousandth time.
        1. activator
          activator April 9 2016 13: 54
          +4
          Quote: gridasov
          The mover is already combined with the engine on fundamentally new proportional dependencies, or rather independencies. What am I talking about for the thousandth time.

          Quote: gridasov
          The mover is already combined with the engine on fundamentally new proportional dependencies, or rather independencies. What am I talking about for the thousandth time.

          It’s a pity that you decided to end the discussion about what you wrote below. I know if you broke your brain while reading your posts and I would like you to interpret the above phrase as for a troechnik what kind of fundamentally new dependent independence they are in combining a mover and an engine. This is without banter. hi
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 9 2016 14: 53
            -3
            All my respect! A bit freed.
            So . We simulate a process that is clearly confirmed by the fact that with increasing longitudinal flight speed more efforts are required to overcome air resistance. And on separation from the Earth, on the contrary, the separation force is maximum. So or not? But in both cases, the fact is obvious that there is a force vector of any resistance. or separation from gravity. But! Since this force vector exists, it can always be transformed in this way. so that it can be transformed in such a way that there is a proportional inverse relationship when the speed and, accordingly, the resistance of the medium, and also when it is separated from the Earth, are increased. That is, an increase in resistance reduces the load on the engine. Of course, all conversion processes occur through the mover.
            Of course, not smart people will say. Well this is a perpetual motion machine. But nothing like that! need initiating power and need a process. In which nothing supernatural can and should not happen. These are the simple solutions that are being discussed. Then the aircraft will fly, in principle, with completely different geometrical shapes and aerodynamic qualities will be compensated by the efficiency of the propulsion system. Is it really that hard to understand? No, of course, such knowledge is not scattered. But the mind to understand that this is possible is necessary.
            1. activator
              activator April 9 2016 17: 19
              +3
              Quote: gridasov
              But! Since this force vector exists, it can always be transformed in this way. so that it can be transformed in such a way that there is a proportional inverse relationship when the speed and, accordingly, the resistance of the medium, and also when it is separated from the Earth, are increased. That is, an increase in resistance reduces the load on the engine. Of course, all conversion processes occur through the mover.
              After your explanations, the conversion process didn’t become easier. It resembles the usual take-off of an airplane. The higher the speed, the greater the air resistance, the greater the lifting force, which ultimately exceeds the force of gravity. Nothing else comes to mind if you have another example to share. And I'm absolutely a mechanic I can not imagine how to increase the load on the engine with an increase in resistance, share it if you know.
              Quote: gridasov
              need initiating power and need a process. In which nothing supernatural can and should not happen. That's about such simple

              As I understand it, what kind of power and process you also can’t imagine.
              Quote: gridasov
              Then the aircraft will fly, in principle, with completely different geometrical shapes and aerodynamic qualities will be compensated by the efficiency of the propulsion system. Is it really that hard to understand? No, of course, such knowledge is not scattered. But
              ??????? !!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 9 2016 18: 08
                -5
                How can I not imagine? Of course, the process is carried out through the transformation of properties and hydro-gas dynamic flow and through the physical processes themselves in the form of changes in pressure and, of course, temperature. Well, at least this is how you and others see it. In general, if you are an engineer, you must understand that the "force" itself is determined by a complex of properties, which means that through changes in the property this force can be directed and transformed in different ways.
                1. Koshak
                  Koshak April 9 2016 20: 20
                  +8
                  Quote: gridasov
                  ... the process is carried out through the conversion of properties and hydro-gas-dynamic flow and through the physical processes themselves in the form of changes in pressure and, of course, temperature. Well, at least that's how you and others see it. In general, if you are an engineer, you should understand that it’s сила power ’ defined by a set of properties, which means that through changes in the property, this force can be directed and transformed in different ways.

                  Yes, twisted the plot !!! I associate this with something like this:
                  "Taking into account the combinatory processes, which incorporate languages ​​are agglutinated, thanks to the theory of free-standing, discrediting transcendental hyperlinks ..."

                  Schizophasia - one of the symptoms of schizophrenia (and not only schizophrenia; in particular, it can also occur after traumatic brain injury or as a result of substance use), which is expressed in a speech disorder. The patient connects incompatible concepts, introducing listeners into cognitive dissonance. The structure of speech is not formally broken, there are no grammatical errors, but sentences do not carry any meaning.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov April 9 2016 21: 15
                    -5
                    It's still a question who has a problem. You, like most people, see the world as fixed concepts. I see the world as dynamic processes. That is, for me there are patterns in the form of changing properties. And these properties are simple, not complicated by names. So you create your associations with concepts that do not have a complete definition. Or, for example, in the world of modern teachings, you have electrons, atoms, bosons and an infinite variety of everything that is a consequence of the processes of el. magnetic interactions. Ie, elementary particles are always momentum. But you yourself have drawn and associate elementary particles with "flight" or movement in empty space, something that can never be seen, except for a flash. However, no one even thinks that any movement is therefore energy-consuming because it is forced to "push" other fractal structures of a different level.
                    In general, a person’s imagination is so self-confident or vice versa subject to dogma that a person cannot determine his place in what he knows and what he is not able to perceive. By the way, I did not say a single word that is difficult to understand, but you abused it. Therefore, it is better to agree with the illness of your brain than to offer people your abilities and solutions arising from this. Everything will happen in a natural process.
                    And you for example can imagine. that someone can talk about very important phenomena and their solutions in the public domain. At the same time, without taking into account priorities and understanding that this can change the arrangement of many development circumstances. And not only connected with me, personally.
                2. activator
                  activator April 9 2016 20: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Well, at least that's how you and others see it.

                  The fact is that I absolutely did not understand how you see it and you did not give a single illustrative example so that the brain could catch and push off from something. And so I got the opinion that we are discussing some kind of gravitap on principles unknown to us.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov April 9 2016 21: 38
                    -2
                    Why just gravity? Here I will give you an example of how you can get electromagnetic phenomena in the form of an electric current with a very high EMF and incredibly high voltage. In this case, only the mechanical force of rotation is used, namely the device I am talking about. So. We have a simple metal disk and on it there are blades in the form of inducing elements, which, on the one hand, induce a current using the difference in rotation speeds at the axial part of the disk and its peripheral. But! These current-inducing elements also make it possible to use the ionizing ability of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow to ionize the surface of these already "blades" and simultaneously "coils". Moreover, these are not blades or coils that you and everyone else are able to imagine - everything is much simpler. And why is all this necessary? And this is necessary then that there are such phenomena as the Hutchinson effect or Tesla's, when a high directional EMF and high voltage cause field emission of a metal. That is, metal is destroyed in an always known place. And so that this does not happen in our device at speeds that are determined by supersonic speeds in the flow, and in metal by the indicated effect, and so that these blades do not collapse, such a structure is simply necessary. Therefore, I naturally did not tell, all the nuances are close, but the propeller and the propeller are destroyed for well-known reasons and algorithms, and in order to overcome the boundary threshold of the moment when the additionally applied engine power does not affect the rotational speed of the propeller blades, you need to increase the speed on the one hand rotation, and on the other hand, to level the destruction processes. This is such a contradictory complex process that needs to be resolved. And we solved it. Therefore, gravity is not gravity, but it is absolutely possible to substantiate the reasons for the inefficiency of the screws and, accordingly, all types of turbines, and on the other hand, we can talk about the processes that, in their sequence and combination algorithms, allow creating a new type of propulsion device. Well now try to move your brains! the effects are known and proven by science. Nothing new has been added, except for the coil design without self-induction effects, which is also used as a "blade".
                    1. activator
                      activator April 10 2016 07: 56
                      +2
                      After each of your explanations, there are more questions than answers, that I theoretically understand that this is possible, but as far as I understood, Hutchinson’s effect could not be repeated. That is, there is no understanding why this is happening or am I mistaken?
                      Quote: gridasov
                      growth rotation, and on the other to level the processes of destruction. This is such a contradictory complex process and needs to be solved. And we decided it. Therefore, the gravitsap is not a gravitsap, but it is absolutely possible to justify the reasons for the inefficiency

                      If it's not a secret, who managed to solve this.
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov April 10 2016 09: 20
                        -2
                        Of course a secret! it would be naive to think that I am pouring out here only for my own pleasure or for something else. There is a practice of searching for non-standard or creative ideas and, accordingly, people. Moreover, these people themselves are between "a rock and a hard place." Some dream and make efforts to own the brain of such people, while others accordingly make efforts not to be left without anything. We are already dangerous because we wash differently than others. Therefore, dissent in any important topic has always been persecuted. Nothing has changed in these times either. Consider another thing that the technology of searching for ideas with a prospect of application is also an important element, the ability to strategically develop and see the direction of your development. Whoever does not understand this is already a loser. Therefore, it is better to stay on the verge of learning and blissfulness. And even more so invisible. In this case, we are only giving examples of our reasoning.
                      2. activator
                        activator April 10 2016 14: 35
                        +2
                        You know, I really wanted to understand what you are talking about. But alas, you easily construct abstruse phrases as if trying to divert aside, we started with movers, and end with thoughts expressed in formulas. I had a long experience of communicating with the workers of the "intergalactic association of light" who by the date 12 12 21 increased the vibrations and synchronized the synchronization awaiting the arrival of the pyramids of light to move the earth into the 5th or 6th dimension. You remind me of them.
                      3. gridasov
                        gridasov April 10 2016 15: 09
                        -1
                        I would also like to really help you. But apparently this is my problem. I cannot do what I cannot. Only delirium can be called "VIBRATIONS", not knowing what they are and how they can be mathematically expressed both in their manifestation and their relationship with causes and effects. What kind of pyramids and synchronizations can we talk about is a total delirium. I'm talking about simple devices that can simply simply replace propellers and turbines, because these new devices can be spinned an order of magnitude higher in speeds, which means that it will be possible to create a reference resistance for reactive force. When I show these devices to some people, they are already fascinated by both the simplicity and the complexity of understanding how it works. What can you see there? You can see the effect of converting, for example, water to steam at 500 watts of motor power. It is possible to reduce the power of the motor, but there are no such low-power, but massive ones. so that the already converted energy can withstand strength. Or the simplest induction coil with which each person is in constant contact. But man is blind in mind. Tesla was going to this when he said that the primary winding of his generator should have only one turn. Why Maybe I should explain to someone or you yourself will think of it. Therefore, I can only say that the solenoid output is itself and "paralyzes" by the fact that the magnetic fluxes oppose each other. Therefore, the coil of a new type should not be wound in turns. So is the screw. Hydro-gas dynamic flow in the centrifugal rotation of the blade experiences a complex of influences and at a certain diameter of the blade it affects the transformation of the already potential energy of water (for example) Therefore, it cavitates on the surface of the outflow of the blade, and not at its end, which does not allow the blade to spin further, which destroys its surface. In short. I have already said so much that it is possible to create the process that I am talking about based on all the hints. I get the impression that I live in the "kingdom of crooked mirrors". I'm talking about simple things that I understand that they can change the world, and which are not very cheap in knowledge, but everyone considers me an idiot.
                      4. activator
                        activator April 10 2016 20: 50
                        0
                        Quote: gridasov
                        knowledge, but everyone considers me an idiot.

                        Why don’t you write an article and post it on VO so for the mass insanity of the parishioners of this resource. laughing I would very much like to observe your discussion with the professor, atalef, and others like them, who will bear the brain for anyone. I will put it on you. yes
                      5. activator
                        activator April 10 2016 21: 15
                        0
                        Quote: activator
                        x, but everyone considers me an idiot.

                        And I’ll add the difference between an idiot and a genius only in the fact that a genius talks about things that are understandable now, and an idiot about what will be clear in two hundred years. request
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 10 2016 14: 42
                +2
                Quote: activator
                After each of your explanations, there are more questions than answers

                - exactly

                You are talking with the combination "troll + text generator". Six months ago, I also tried to do this, with the same result that you have now.

                Only then did the program produce more nonsense than now laughing

                Do not look for meaning where it does not exist yes
              3. gridasov
                gridasov April 10 2016 15: 16
                -2
                Far from it! If you offer at least one of the approximate hints on how mathematically the system of landmarks can be expressed in the analysis of a certain local mathematical space, then I will give you a respected device about which I speak a lot and often. And you will be the richest and most famous person in the world. It all hates me and I have a different system of values. But! You have a chance. I can give you a hint. The reference system is plotted on the axis of precession, as the fourth axis of the coordinate system is times. Second, only through the function of constant value of a number, it is possible to construct the local space itself, for example, in the form of a "person". Think about it. You have a chance. Everything is not as difficult as it seems. I had no prompts. Although I confess that everything came out of "DREAMS". I just learned to memorize them and create a state where they can appear. Do not think that I used the methods of Edgar PO.
              4. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 10 2016 15: 56
                +1
                Quote: gridasov
                reference system in analysis some local mathematical space

                Quote: gridasov
                Landmark system built on the axis of precessionas the fourth axis of the coordinate system

                Quote: gridasov
                via constant value function, you can build the local space itself, for example, in the form of a "person"

                Oooh, yooooooo ... foul, unclean laughing
            2. activator
              activator April 10 2016 20: 30
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Only then did the program produce more nonsense than now

              I’ve got a brain dislocation that I’ve earned with a bot?
            3. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 10 2016 20: 40
              0
              Quote: activator
              I’ve got a brain dislocation that I’ve earned with a bot?

              I do not know. I myself have passed. True, I’m familiar - when some young consultant sets a task, there’s not much to hear about it ..

              IMHO will pass yes
    3. ver_
      ver_ April 10 2016 03: 34
      +2
      ... each progressively thinking individual receives the maximum flow of information, and each assimilating element denies the existence of the substance of thought ..
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 10 2016 09: 00
        -2
        Quite right! As far as I have noticed, usually people focus on the products that I position. Naturally, this is impossible for them. However, it is the work with information that is more important. And here the most important thing is that in fact, the novelty is precisely the physical process in its sequence, and not just iron. Energy transformations are modeled, and the device is only its organizer. Sometimes you don't need to invent a design - you need to think over and organize the algorithms for the stages of the process. Therefore, working with information is that source. which allows you to see from a huge, or rather to see, many repetitive and symmetrical components of the information space and it remains only to highlight what is the progressive part of the information. One has only to imagine that a person will stop making mistakes and will be able to build harmonious algorithms for his development. The progress will be incredible and in a very short period of time. But these are all flowers. The main thing is that we were able to NUMBER to identify all geometric and basic energy processes. Geometry becomes the gradient of a number in its function to express a vector. Moreover, this vector is always expressed by the integer value of a number in its algorithms that determine the dimension of this vector and the direction of its transformation into other subsequent ones. Energy aspects expressed by NUMBER are manifested through the interaction of such properties of NUMBER, which are expressed through potential. All this means that mathematical analysis can be built through the form of perception of the dynamics and density of algorithms for successive transformations and the information flows themselves and those phenomena. which they express. In other words, the thought can be expressed mathematically. And even express the cause and consequences of this thought. Sometimes I do not believe that such "nonsense" can be reached. But if it did not have the specifics expressed in the mathematical justification and in the specifics of the decisions, then I would have called myself a "schizo".
  • Kurou
    Kurou April 9 2016 10: 59
    +5
    I do not see more than one minus for unmanned aparaya
    compactness, great strength, great stability
    the view on the sides of the wing is not critical, because cameras will watch, not the pilot from the corps
    speed again this is not a fighter jet

    Of the pros already said UAV takes off itself, without catapults
    for many aircraft-type UAVs, either a catapult or an operator’s assistant is needed as a gray gelding in an attempt to drop it, so that it would have enough free-stream speed to start the flight
    The tandem of wings 1.5-2 times reduces the wingspan
    Compactness is good, as well as for transportation, and for greater invisibility
    Detecting a 2-2.5m wide object is much easier
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 9 2016 12: 39
      +2
      The main disadvantage of such units is known - the power required for takeoff is several times greater than the power required for horizontal flight, that is, the engines are unreasonably powerful.
  • atamankko
    atamankko April 9 2016 10: 11
    0
    They are very necessary in the army, good luck in testing.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 9 2016 10: 11
    +4
    The original scheme. But quite working. Pass the test - the advantages and disadvantages will appear. An obvious advantage over copters is a high horizontal speed and a larger radius at the same flight time.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov April 9 2016 10: 11
    +11
    A very promising topic.
    Allows you to combine the advantages of UAVs and aircraft and helicopter types.

    Incidentally,
    1. Kronos07
      Kronos07 April 9 2016 10: 23
      -1
      looks good, nasa has something like that.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 9 2016 10: 48
      +5
      Quote: Spade
      A very promising topic.

      You are right.
      But I would like to take a look at the Sukhoi heavy UAV. 20 tons is no joke!
      And then the Raptors, Tritons, Hooks (even global ones!), X-47V do not give everyone peace of mind ...
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 9 2016 10: 58
        -5
        Look at any plane and you will see a whole bunch of problems. There are systemic dependences on the energy of the process that small UAVs with high flight performance will never fly, in the same way, when they are scaled. Again, so it all comes down to the possibility of mathematics and physics to substantiate this. Therefore, I always position new technical solutions with a new method of mathematical analysis of energy dependencies as complex solutions, not private ones
      2. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian April 9 2016 17: 22
        +1
        Hawks and not hooks. Quite a global. (Global hawk)
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 9 2016 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Allows you to combine the advantages of UAVs and aircraft and helicopter types

      The same as in the picture, only "real" (full-size and manned, in the sense) tried to make back in the USSR. If, of course, sclerosis does not change me completely.

      Years - about the end of the 60s.

      It’s just that there is a picture in front of my eyes .. I was looking, it didn’t work out. Specialists, help, please ... do not let me die a fool what
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 10: 14
    +3
    Quote: Kronos07
    you should not be afraid hi

    ... said the American insinuatingly. - We will carry on it into the world new portions of democracy ... hi
  • Denimax
    Denimax April 9 2016 10: 19
    +2
    Something looks awful. It is necessary to finalize.
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 10: 36
    +1
    Quote: gridasov
    You just need to add. that the UAV is super newest and super modern. There are not enough "ruffles". They do not fly better because of the number of wings.

    Who is arguing? IT'S MUCH MUCH MORE
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 9 2016 10: 51
    +5
    Quote: gridasov
    In general, there is a feeling that few people are seriously engaged in hydro-gas dynamics. But you need to change the essence of the analysis methodology of such processes. In general, everything is connected and tied.

    Especially in the field of electron-nano converters in structured under the radical-cardinal crystal fluctuations of movers of the type "secondary education-doctoral dissertation".
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 9 2016 11: 00
      -5
      Very smart!
  • gridasov
    gridasov April 9 2016 11: 31
    +2
    Concluding the discussion, it must be said that the question is within the framework of which system guidelines we consider this or that task and solution. Therefore, it is probably worth distinguishing when a cool UAV was created in the project of young shadows and what the armed forces needed to solve vital tactical tasks, and maybe more. Good luck to everyone and success!
    1. Abbra
      Abbra April 9 2016 11: 45
      0
      Damn, was there a discussion? To my mind gridasov one performed?!? request
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 9 2016 12: 43
        0
        Gridasov is right, the UAV is not a fountain, only one thing speaks in his favor, there are not even such ones.
        1. black
          black April 9 2016 17: 29
          +2
          Gridasov forgot to drink his aminazine, but the orderlies did not inspect. Spring, acute conditions in schizophrenics. It is necessary to agree with everything, otherwise the aminazinka will not end.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 9 2016 18: 20
            -2
            This, by the way, is not my problem. It is your problem that you are underdeveloped and give similar advice. Questions are exclusively debatable and if someone does not think out for one reason or another. then this is just a test of ability, but for me the opportunity to understand that you can talk with this person or not. The fact that people are underdeveloped is also not a problem. There is an evolution of consciousness and an expansion of knowledge about the world and its properties. Therefore, on the one hand, we are philanthropic and ready to help those who exert efforts for their development. But those who are doomed to their self-confident illiteracy may remain a slave to other people's knowledge. Usually smart people defend their opinions and at the same time improve themselves. And do not let my health bother you. Medications are used by those who have lost the ability to manage the organizing processes of their health.
            1. black
              black April 10 2016 00: 33
              +2
              Yes Yes. And the blue elephants on the ceilings and walls of the houses do not bother you? From the World Bank of Information, have you received messages?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 10 2016 09: 06
                -2
                You yourself are perplexing yourself. Of course, there are no "blue elephants". But there is a well-founded understanding that your brain is incapable of constructing coherent reasoning algorithms. All your reasoning is chaos and is aimed only at evaluating the other person and his reasoning. at the same time, you yourself do not make any efforts for self-improvement. Therefore, as a scientist, you are not worth a dime. Your reasoning is already a test for professional aptitude. And any scientist cannot neglect a single detail of his reasoning. Another thing is that justifications can determine the right place for each such, even unusual, thought and idea.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 11 2016 19: 51
              0
              Without this one of yours
              Quote: gridasov
              you are underdeveloped

              no way?
  • iouris
    iouris April 9 2016 11: 37
    +2
    It looks like a "product" of the creativity of university students of some provincial city from the series "helicopter-type flying car".
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 9 2016 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Altona
    . In some popular science magazine I read, now I don’t remember. Whether "Model Designer" or "Science and Life". Now would such a press instead of glossy trash.

    The smell of childhood is sweet and pleasant ... For a long time it was, but remained for life ...
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 9 2016 12: 44
      0
      Young technician
  • proud
    proud April 9 2016 17: 21
    0
    Gentlemen of the forum, this device is still poor and far from perfect, the main thing is that it is its own and over time it will be brought to the "mind", and most importantly, it will be built better! You remember, there was a time when drones were bought over the hill, we were forced anyhow, and we also thanked them for this, while building the best combat aircraft in the world!
    1. bertgolz
      bertgolz April 10 2016 05: 24
      0
      yes, you still haven't created any better than this
  • black
    black April 9 2016 17: 38
    0
    The main problem is not the appearance and design of the UAV. It is solvable. Laptop computers, software is where import placement is needed. And the capabilities of cameras for video and photo capture are still far from ideal.
  • Alexdark
    Alexdark April 9 2016 18: 16
    0
    But God forbid, looks.
  • ver_
    ver_ April 10 2016 03: 43
    0
    ... however, two, definitely, are necessary for the resort - such nervous ones ..
  • VIT101
    VIT101 April 10 2016 10: 13
    +2
    “... it uses a tandem-wing design that provides greater payload,”
    The main advantage of a tiltrotor is vertical take-off. Well, why did he need a second wing - this is overweight during vertical take-off. But in general, the problem of taking off a traditional UAV does not exist, this procedure is so simple, why bother with a convertiplane. Here is the creation of a complete convertiplane, like Osprey - this is the task. But I didn’t hear that anyone would do it with us.
  • Avia
    Avia April 12 2016 22: 06
    0
    Mockery! what a disgrace! Craft station young technicians!