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Mark Milli: Russians in Europe are superior to Americans in artillery capabilities

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In Europe, the US is somewhat lagging behind Russia in terms of artillery capabilities, reports RIA News Statement by the Army Chief of Staff Mark Milli.

Mark Milli: Russians in Europe are superior to Americans in artillery capabilities


“We don’t like it, we don’t want it, but, really, they have more range and more trunks”,
said the general at the Senate hearing.

“However, the advantage does not look too dramatic,” he added, without becoming deeply involved in the analysis of the situation.

Earlier, the outgoing commander of NATO forces, Philip Breedlove, gave a high assessment to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

“He (Putin) created good land forces. You saw his air force in Syria, where they were tested. He also achieved a powerful long-range missile potential, launching missiles from both ships and submarines. He created an opportunity to demonstrate strength and managed to show it in the Crimea and Donbass, ”the general said on Estonian television.
Photos used:
RIA News. Igor Russak
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  1. MIKHAN.
    MIKHAN. April 8 2016 08: 52
    +26
    I do not like when enemies praise ... Just alarming right away!
    1. Nick
      Nick April 8 2016 08: 58
      +24
      Quote: MIKHAN.
      I do not like when enemies praise ... Just alarming right away!

      "This should be alarming for the American taxpayer. Their tax deductions are going to be cut once again. wink
      1. MIKHAN.
        MIKHAN. April 8 2016 09: 05
        +5
        Quote: Nick
        Quote: MIKHAN.
        I do not like when enemies praise ... Just alarming right away!

        "This should be alarming for the American taxpayer. Their tax deductions are going to be cut once again. wink

        Think in the right direction ... hi Brand "Russians are Coming!" it's always been a lot of money!
        The "regional power" suddenly turned into a serious and strategically dangerous enemy (we were just pissed off again ..))) The printing press in the United States works at high speeds ...
        1. Byshido_dis
          Byshido_dis April 8 2016 09: 29
          +6
          Ohhh, they haven’t seen our flowers yet ... Hyacinth, Tulip, Peony, Acacia, Astra, Lily of the valley and many, many wonderful flowers that can give our enemies a lot, a lot of fire-steel happiness wassat
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 8 2016 09: 35
            -3
            It is high time to send all this "flower garden" for melting. Except, perhaps, "Tulip", which needs a total modernization
            1. VP
              VP April 8 2016 09: 49
              +4
              Why would they be re-melted? In World War II, the guns were much simpler, but who would say that they were frivolous frivolous with which nothing can be achieved? Even those guns were enough to demolish the positions and grind the defense into dust.
              And, some kind of Peony would be more serious.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 8 2016 10: 14
                -3
                Quote: VP
                Why would they be re-melted?

                By old age.
                1. VP
                  VP April 8 2016 10: 35
                  +3
                  Are the trunks worn out or just not looking advanced?
                  If Hyacinth can throw ordinary high-explosive fragmentation 152 by 30 kilometers every 10 seconds, then why is it needed for scrap? Such a division can be razed to the ground for anything in a few volleys.
                  If, for example, the DPR had such a division, then ukrovoyak would have greatly increased the reasons for zrad
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov April 8 2016 10: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: VP
                    Trunks are worn

                    And trunks as well. How to change them if they are not produced since the days of the USSR?


                    Quote: VP
                    Hyacinth can throw ordinary high-explosive fragmentation 152 by 30 kilometers every second 10 why is it needed for scrap?

                    - No automation
                    - Not resistant to counter battery
                    - Problems with accessible trajectories, the possibility of using in the mountains, closed and half-closed areas, and settlements is very limited.
                    - Ammunition issues
                    - Problems with an outdated and no longer manufactured chassis.

                    The modernized Msta-S and even more so the "Coalition" are capable of completely replacing them, and with an increase in efficiency by an order of magnitude.
                    1. VP
                      VP April 8 2016 11: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: Spade
                      No automation

                      This does not stop you from doing 6 rounds per minute
                      Quote: Spade
                      Not resistant to counter battery

                      After the volley of the division, this issue becomes irrelevant
                      Quote: Spade
                      Problems with accessible trajectories, the possibility of using in the mountains, closed and half-closed areas, and settlements is very limited.

                      Well, it’s like we don’t have mountains everywhere, where you can always find
                      Quote: Spade
                      Ammunition issues

                      I won’t say anything, I don’t know how difficult it is to produce ordinary PFs and how many of them are available at RAV warehouses
                      Quote: Spade
                      Problems with an outdated and discontinued chassis.

                      To the dates of the chassis ... It is towed
                      Quote: Spade
                      The modernized Msta-S and even more so the "Coalition" can completely replace

                      Sure. In the case of one gun against one gun. But I doubt something that a dozen Coalitions will be able to replace a couple of thousand Hyacinths.
                      No one says that old artillery systems are better than new ones. The thing is that old systems are also effective. Though less. But rearm everything in the Coalition is a dozen two to three years.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov April 8 2016 13: 03
                        0
                        Quote: VP
                        This does not stop you from doing 6 rounds per minute

                        Automatic or semi-automatic loading have nothing to do with automation.
                        6 rounds per minute? Perfectly. But the first shot from the "Genocide" march will take 3-3.5 minutes. A "Coalition" or a modernized "Msta" - in 25-30 seconds

                        Quote: VP
                        After the volley of the division, this issue becomes irrelevant

                        Exactly. The "Genocide" division is a sacrificial lamb. For one fire strike. Because the 18-gun division 2S5 is three sedentary targets. And the 2S35 division is 18 maneuvers, changing their position after each minute fire raid.

                        Quote: VP
                        Well, it’s like we don’t have mountains everywhere, where you can always find

                        But closed and half-closed terrain is a very common occurrence, as are settlements.


                        Quote: VP
                        To the dates of the chassis ... It is towed

                        Hello, we’ve arrived. But what about 2C5?
                        But with the towed 2A36, it’s even worse. Heavy, inactive, problematic during transportation. During her stay in the army, dozens of people were crippled or died when a gun barrel was stuck in the cabin of the next car.
                        Great calculation, a long transfer time from combat to marching and vice versa, low speed of movement even on roads.
                        The truck tractor KrAZ due to its high weight and high load on the towbar.


                        Quote: VP
                        Sure. In the case of one gun against one gun. But I doubt something that a dozen Coalitions will be able to replace a couple of thousand Hyacinths.

                        They can. It is due to its much higher efficiency.

                        Quote: VP
                        The thing is that old systems are also effective.

                        "Also" they are effective only in "antipapois". And then, if you do not require high accuracy or low response.
                      2. VP
                        VP April 8 2016 14: 32
                        +1
                        Well, to be honest, my knowledge of artillery is more limited to "figas banged" at the training ground when the artel was frolicking there)
                        Therefore, I concede to your reasoned opinion.
                      3. Lexa-149
                        Lexa-149 April 9 2016 00: 10
                        0
                        All your arguments are absolutely fair. BUT!
                        Exactly. The "Genocide" division is a sacrificial lamb. For one fire strike. Because the 18-gun division 2S5 is three sedentary targets. And the 2S35 division is 18 maneuvers, changing their position after each minute fire raid.

                        To increase battery survivability, a dispersed arrangement of guns at a firing position can be used.
                    2. Ardein
                      Ardein April 8 2016 14: 13
                      +1
                      On the subject of "Coalition", it claims to be an art sniper. This is the topic for counter-battery work. ;)
                      Its two radars allow real-time adjustment of the trajectory for subsequent shells;)
                      and if you add "Zoo" and drones to it;)
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov April 8 2016 15: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Ardein
                        Its two radars allow real-time adjustment of the trajectory for subsequent shells

                        This is one radar. But really the accuracy should greatly increase.
            2. Arh
              Arh April 8 2016 09: 58
              0
              Anglo-Saxons and others piss !!! We are not aggressors, WE are PEACEFUL !!!
              1. Ardein
                Ardein April 8 2016 14: 15
                +2
                But they are a little annoyed by the number of artillery barrels that we have in storage ... there are several thousand actually;)
            3. Blondy
              Blondy April 8 2016 10: 04
              +1
              If you figure out what the fuck the difference is, we are superior, we will surpass, they’re going to seriously fight, who the fuck they need, Aniki warriors
              1. Ardein
                Ardein April 8 2016 14: 16
                +1
                They must somehow justify their presence in eastern Europe;)
          2. sgazeev
            sgazeev April 8 2016 13: 27
            0
            Quote: Byshido_dis
            Ohhh, they haven’t seen our flowers yet ... Hyacinth, Tulip, Peony, Acacia, Astra, Lily of the valley and many, many wonderful flowers that can give our enemies a lot, a lot of fire-steel happiness wassat

            Here Ukrainians saw "Cheburashka". laughing
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 8 2016 13: 25
        +4
        Quote: Nick
        Quote: MIKHAN.
        I do not like when enemies praise ... Just alarming right away!

        "This should be alarming for the American taxpayer. Their tax deductions are going to be cut once again. wink
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 8 2016 08: 59
      +10
      In Europe, the United States is slightly behind Russia in terms of artillery capabilities,

      But hell wouldn’t make streaky ears in Europe. negative
      We don’t like it, we don’t want it, but, really, they have a larger range and more barrels, ”the general said at a Senate hearing.
      And then give me money!
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 8 2016 09: 17
      +2
      “We don’t like it ...” but we like it! still like it
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    5. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 April 8 2016 09: 35
      +6
      And because they praise that the NATO and American warriors (and especially the representatives of the military-industrial complex, whose interests they lobby for) just need money - and the more the better. So they got the myth of the Soviet from naphthalene, I'm sorry - already the Russian military threat, in order to more intimidate our governments and people - you look and fork out. The main thing - at the same time, do not say any specific figures that those who know how to think suddenly did not think about why the Russians themselves should be afraid of aggression - if the US and NATO are at least not inferior to Russia, and if to be frank, then surpass it and in terms of the number of armed forces, and the number of military equipment in service (at least not inferior or inferior only slightly in qualitative characteristics). So such simple horror stories and custom articles of experts, such as D. Majdumdar and others like him, come into play.
      I have the honor.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 8 2016 10: 43
        +2
        Quote: Alexander72 And because they praise that the NATO and American warriors (and especially the representatives of the military-industrial complex, whose interests they lobby for) just need money - and the more the better.

        Simply, really want to bite.
        There are so many weapons that it is possible to blow up not only the globe, and with one TNT without nuclear weapons. No, everything is small. Moreover, if it takes a long time to cut money for a new superplane, then for some climatic, energy, electromagnetic bubble, the process stretches for decades. They will ask, "and, where?", "But no, the topic is complex, unknown science."
        I’m thinking that if it weren’t for the USA’s desire to crush the whole ball under itself, then where would we be? After all, what enormous resources go into their greedy throat.
    6. VP
      VP April 8 2016 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN.
      I do not like when enemies praise

      They would have learned their rituals a long time ago, everything is straightforward, "everything is gone, give us the dough."
      Now it’s just the turn to the hunters.
    7. mr.grin19z
      mr.grin19z April 8 2016 14: 02
      0
      afraid mean respect
  2. kopar
    kopar April 8 2016 08: 52
    +9
    Well done man, subtly hints at an increase in the military budget.
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz April 8 2016 08: 55
      0
      Otherwise, it doesn’t work out.
      If there is no strong enemy, then there is no funding for military spending.
      And there is no money, then there is nothing to cut ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 8 2016 09: 18
      +2
      They have been "subtly hinting" for 20 years without much progress in this area.

      Excessive enthusiasm for aviation, including the army, led to a clear lag in artillery.

      For example, self-propelled guns. The American authorities have already "stabbed" the new samples ready for production twice, "Crusader" and NLOS-C

      But at the same time, do not forget that the Americans greatly surpass us in the possibility of effective use of artillery due primarily to the presence of a working system of automated fire control. Well and better than the artillery reconnaissance system
      1. russmensch
        russmensch April 8 2016 09: 37
        +10
        But at the same time, do not forget that the Americans greatly surpass us in the possibility of effective use of artillery due primarily to the presence of a working system of automated fire control.

        Personally, I started working on these systems back in 1979. Do you really think that since then we have remained at this level? Read the performance characteristics of our modern systems, compare with the state ones and you will be pleasantly surprised. And in general it is not clear why do you think that their artillery intelligence is better than ours? I ask this as a former intelligence chief of the division.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 8 2016 10: 12
          -1
          Quote: russmensch
          Personally, I started working on these systems back in 1979. Do you really think that since then we have remained at this level?

          We not only did not stay "at this level", we lost it too.

          Both in the second Chechen and Georgia artillery worked according to the topographic data (!!!). Here, for example, in our division there was not a single working DMK, and there was no way to replace them, this junk was simply not produced by this time. And we did not receive meteo from the senior boss. There was no way to try to work with more exotic methods, like the POR newsletter or create benchmarks.

          Normal fire adjustment was only possible with the possibility of a direct corrective / fire connection.
          In the second war, it came to a total circus. For example, a spotter who is part of a reconnaissance group calls out fire. The team goes to the grouping, from there along the ZAS (!!!) to the "operational artillery", from there along the vole to the battery.

          Quote: russmensch
          And in general it is not clear why do you think that their artillery intelligence is better than ours? I ask this as a former intelligence chief of the division.

          Have you ever looked into your own PDP? 8)))
          Well, if you are an entire HP division, you should rate this photo. By the way, made last month:
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 8 2016 08: 53
    +1
    Now the Americans will begin to massively rivet cannons with cores and force Europe to buy them with the F-35.
  4. seti
    seti April 8 2016 08: 53
    +2
    Rightly fear our army and our artillery. Soon at the Victory Parade you will see all this again. The Russian army is one of the strongest (most likely the strongest) in the world and should always be such.
  5. Sally
    Sally April 8 2016 08: 55
    +1
    Preparing for the offensive?
  6. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv April 8 2016 08: 58
    +1
    If he praises the armament of a potential enemy, then in the next act of this performance he will ask for money for new toys.
  7. dobrik10
    dobrik10 April 8 2016 09: 02
    +1
    That nature spawned mother Anglo-Saxon suit ... Apparently so that the Slavs did not relax.
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 8 2016 09: 02
    +1
    Again they ask grandmothers .. interesting as usual OTHER .. WHERE the USA and WHERE EUROPE .... or the USA ONLY PROTECTS her COLONY .. let them think about themselves .. otherwise they will take it off completely!
  9. sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 8 2016 09: 07
    0
    Already decently behind, here at them and the tantrum begins.
  10. Flinky
    Flinky April 8 2016 09: 09
    +1
    This is your "opportunity to demonstrate strength." Demonstrators are bad. And we have a normal army.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2016 09: 09
    +1
    “This is for us. don't like it, we don't want itbut, really, they have a larger range and more barrels, "

    It is clear that, ideally, they would like for us to remain at the level of the 90s. Just how they can not understand and get used to the fact that Russia has long been different. It’s time to learn that it’s more expensive to threaten her.
  12. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr April 8 2016 09: 10
    0
    Give money for a new saw recourse
  13. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog April 8 2016 09: 16
    0
    The "regional power" suddenly turned into a serious and strategically dangerous enemy (we were just pissed off again ..))) The printing press in the United States works at high speeds ... [/ quote]
    If only it jammed already)))
  14. Holsten
    Holsten April 8 2016 09: 17
    +2
    I want to believe that this is an objective opinion and not squeezing money. In this case, NATO, with all the desire, will not be able to get around the growing Russian military-industrial complex, neither in artillery nor in aviation ...
  15. Kibl
    Kibl April 8 2016 09: 18
    +1
    Everything is done to turn on the afterburner of the printing press! Charge new rolls of paper, fill in with green paint, machine tool!
  16. Neophyte
    Neophyte April 8 2016 09: 27
    +1
    Scared the poor Limitrophs, they already do not sleep at night and are ready to jump out of the windows!
    Even if our guns were fewer, would our TRIADA be silent?
    1. MIKHAN.
      MIKHAN. April 8 2016 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: Neophyte
      Scared the poor Limitrophs, they already do not sleep at night and are ready to jump out of the windows!
      Even if our guns were fewer, would our TRIADA be silent?

      It scares them ... Russian spirit! Do you think they forgot? No ..! The souls of our children are now being processed intensively .. I hope they won’t succeed this time too ...
  17. Taygerus
    Taygerus April 8 2016 09: 28
    0
    and not only in artillery soldier
  18. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 8 2016 09: 28
    +2
    NATO tactics imply total superiority. When their general talks about our superiority, he is cunning - NATO has at least 2 times superiority in the number of art systems !!!! Another thing is that all this "good" is not concentrated. In the current configuration, in the event of an open confrontation, NATO would have an "unacceptable level of casualties." By the way, we have it too.
  19. jovanni
    jovanni April 8 2016 09: 31
    +2
    In Europe, the United States is somewhat lagging behind Russia in terms of artillery capabilities, RIA Novosti reports the statement by the US Army Chief of Staff Mark Milli.
    Actually, we live here! And what the hell is the artillery of mattresses doing here? That's what everyone needs to think about ...
  20. vic58
    vic58 April 8 2016 09: 39
    0
    “He (Putin) created good land forces. You saw his air force in Syria, where they were tested. He also achieved a powerful long-range missile potential, launching missiles from both ships and submarines. He created an opportunity to demonstrate strength and managed to show it in the Crimea and Donbass, ”the general said on Estonian television.

    The most attentive audience repeat Would he tell it "on the Ruin" - there would be "lustration" (garbage) laughing
  21. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 8 2016 09: 40
    +1
    Russia has shown its capabilities.
    The West is scratching its turnips.
    But further actions are clear.
    There will be a new round of arms race ...
    1. MIKHAN.
      MIKHAN. April 8 2016 09: 51
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Russia has shown its capabilities.
      The West is scratching its turnips.
      But further actions are clear.
      There will be a new round of arms race ...

      They will no longer untwist Russia in an arms race ... (we showed the world that we can accomplish combat missions with small forces) But we are gradually surrounded by a bloody ring of conflicts ... We hope that we will get involved for a long time. We will direct your weapons against you (we learned from you ..)))) Wait! hi
      1. MIKHAN.
        MIKHAN. April 8 2016 10: 11
        0
        First they minus, then they banyat, for no reason ... These are the things men! Someone clearly disagrees with me ...) I am calm about this .. soldier
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 April 8 2016 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Russia has shown its capabilities.
      The West is scratching its turnips.
      But further actions are clear.
      There will be a new round of arms race ...

      It will, of course, but not like in the 80s! The absence of a link between the price of a weapon and its effectiveness can already be considered proven. Now the competition of "brains" begins, which is much more profitable for us than for the States! wink
      IMHO
  22. Altona
    Altona April 8 2016 09: 53
    +2
    Yesterday I found such a demotivator. True, the rocket is quite large. )))
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK April 8 2016 10: 27
      +1
      remembered ..

      Rogozin planted two poplars in Brussels

      Former NATO Permanent Representative Dmitry Rogozin planted two poplar seedlings in Brussels goodbye, naming them after the Topol and Topol-M ballistic missiles.

      During his farewell reception in Brussels for diplomats, military and journalists on Friday evening, Rogozin planted two trees in the garden of the representative villa of the Russian mission to the North Atlantic Alliance in memory of the Brussels stage of his career.

      “I ask you to get acquainted: this is Poplar, and this is Topol-M,” Rogozin said.
      Later on his Twitter page, he wrote: “I decided to leave something good in mind
      l about his work with NATO, so he planted a poplar. I think poplar is the place in NATO ”
  23. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 8 2016 10: 04
    +3
    Russia is somewhat closer to Europe than the United States. US Army Chief of Staff Mark Milli does not reflect on the question of what US artillery is doing in Europe.
  24. volodya
    volodya April 8 2016 10: 20
    +2
    If ours were in Mexico or Canada, there would be a lot of howling!
  25. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK April 8 2016 10: 25
    +1
    didn’t understand how it happened that the "exclusive nation" is in some way inferior to the "regional power"? )
  26. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 8 2016 10: 38
    +2
    He created an opportunity to demonstrate power and managed to show it in the Crimea and Donbass, ”the general said on Estonian television.
    And in Crimea, and even more so in Donbass, GDP has not yet shown "strength" -
    This work "Putin: I bared my biceps inadvertently, I even took off my jacket for fidelity"is a derivative of"
  27. midivan
    midivan April 8 2016 11: 00
    +4
    “He (Putin) created good ground forces. You saw his Air Force in Syria, where they passed tests. He also achieved powerful long-range missile potential; missiles were launched both from ships and from submarines. He created the opportunity to demonstrate strength and managed to show it in the Crimea and Donbass, ”- said the general on Estonian television.
  28. Prager
    Prager April 8 2016 11: 06
    +1
    we still have much that we can and much that we have, but you don’t need to know about it.
  29. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 8 2016 11: 45
    +1
    In Europe, the United States is slightly behind Russia in terms of artillery capabilities, which means that they will again beg for money from Congress.
  30. Olegater
    Olegater April 8 2016 20: 56
    0
    Yes, they are afraid of us and praise, at the same time, drag their mongrel for a major incident. Who studied history - remember how the Nazis traded with the USSR, exchanged experience, everything was peaceful and quiet. However, before June 22, our pilots landed a reconnaissance aircraft, there were provocations at the borders, etc. And now cannon fodder is being incited against us and provoked everywhere and in everything. And recently I read Life News "An unidentified aircraft was spotted in several regions of the Russian Federation" the analogy is not good (then we landed a plane with pilots, and now in the information age, instead of pilots, a drone).
  31. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 9 2016 13: 48
    0
    Superiority in artillery is the details, the main thing is that we surpass the striped ones in the brains.