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Analytical program "However" with Mikhail Leontyev, 07 April 2016

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The Dutch referendum is a cruel blow to the "European choice" of Ukraine. What did you fight for ?!

“The real goal of the referendum organizers is not an association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union. This is an attack on the unity of Europe, an attack on the spread of European values,” Petro Poroshenko said.

From the film "Beware of the car":
- He swung at the holiest thing that we have - the Constitution!

This is who, it turns out, we have a guarantor of European values. Poroshenko is really focused on the values ​​- European, American, and in the extremely liquid form - monetary. By the way, actually, for this — notice how, like the American special services, Poroshenko merged in his very carefully selected Panamanian denunciation, which for beauty is called a journalistic investigation.

From the film "Beware of the car":
- The investigation informs the court that a criminal case has been filed against comrade Semitsvetov.
- Dad !?
- Nothing, nothing, find yourself another, honest!

In fact, the Dutch referendum has very little concern, in fact, to Ukraine. To a greater degree it relates to the same liquid values ​​that Europeans are willing to defend. The Dutch referendum is the refusal of Europeans to share. Specific values ​​for the sake of some abstract.

“I wrote seven or eight years ago that the European Union could not survive its first crisis. The European Union was created mainly for prosperity. When prosperity ended in 2008, the question arose of how to distribute poverty,” explains the founder and head of Geopolitical Futures , founder and former owner of the Stratfor political consulting agency George Friedman.

Notice, only Holland conducted such a referendum. At the same time, the Netherlands is the most prosperous, the most tolerant, the most representative European country. Perfect indicator.

"The EU would be a wonderful idea if it were not implemented in Europe. And in Europe it could not work, because in Europe there are both Hungarians and French, and all this is not one nation. I would say that at the moment the European Union it is already falling apart. Because its key decisions are not being implemented. No one feels obligated to follow them. I think the EU will not collapse, it will simply be ignored, as the League of Nations was ignored, "believes George Friedman.

That is, the real meaning of the Dutch referendum - is not in the abuse of Ukraine and its infantile fantasies - this is so casually. And the fact that there is no such country is Europe. Germany is, France, Italy, even Holland. But there is no Europe, and now, probably, there will never be.
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  1. avvg
    avvg April 8 2016 06: 18
    +13
    In my opinion, The poor, present-day Ukraine is not needed by anyone.
    1. The black
      The black April 8 2016 06: 20
      +15
      WHO DOESN'T DOWNLOAD - THAT DAMNED NETHERLANDS !!!!!!! laughing ...... The coolest thing is, if a similar referendum were held in other EU countries, the result would be the same. Oh, how far the EU authorities are from the desires of the majority of the people. Not that way, gentlemen.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 8 2016 06: 41
        +31
        Quote: Black
        WHO DOESN'T DOWNLOAD - THAT DAMNED NETHERLANDS !!!!!!!

        promise revenge
        1. Alex von Dorn
          Alex von Dorn April 8 2016 08: 12
          +15
          Ukrainian empire ... lol This is funnier than a sub window.
          1. Nick
            Nick April 8 2016 09: 10
            +2
            Quote: Alex von Dorn
            Ukrainian empire ... lol This is funnier than a sub window.

            But interestingly, this comrade from Zaporozhye pinned, or is he seriously waiting for the Ruin to become an empire? If the first, then he has a well-developed sense of humor. If the second, then this is the clinic. wassat Kashchenko to help him ...
            1. The black
              The black April 8 2016 10: 00
              +4
              But interestingly, this comrade from Zaporozhye pinned, or is he seriously waiting for the Ruin to become an empire?
              It was this comrade who pinned it or not, I don’t know, but it’s for sure that there are enough people thinking there. Go to some ukroforum somehow and you will understand that in the coming years the most demanded profession in Ukraine will be a psychiatrist. laughing
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 8 2016 10: 10
                +4
                Quote: Black Go to some ukroforum somehow and you will understand that in the coming years the most demanded profession in Ukraine will be a psychiatrist.

                For a small part of the population (PS) urgently needed, a pathologist, then for the rest, a psychiatrist is not required.
                1. Luga
                  Luga April 8 2016 13: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: avva2012
                  For a small part of the population (PS) urgently needed, a pathologist, then for the rest, a psychiatrist is not required.


                  Here I am in a dispute with one respected person I asked the question: how many people in modern Ukraine need to be killed, and how many to plant in order to stop the mess that is present there?

                  Unfortunately, the scientific methods of such calculations, if they exist, are unknown to me. Purely intuitively, I believe that one hundred shot and tens of thousands planted for a period of ten years or more is enough. There is only one condition - to do this within one day. So that once - and it’s done, some are shot, others are planted. And in ten years, when the first of those planted begin to leave, everything will be completely different.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 April 8 2016 14: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Luga Unfortunately, the scientific methods of such calculations, if they exist, are unknown to me.

                    Mental epidemics - simultaneous manifestation and "epidemic" distribution among significant groups of people of various kinds of the same type of mental deviations (disorders of higher nervous activity) of varying severity, accompanied by unusual, often deviant behavior, with signs of mental and neurological diseases.
                    The following factors usually contribute to the emergence of mental epidemics: 1) superstition, 2) infectiousness, 3) self-hypnosis.
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Психические_эпидемии
                    The first legal provisions regarding the reduction of the considered category of persons involved in mental epidemics are noted in the "Judgment Law", where they were determined to be executed by burning, however, starting with Yaroslav's Church Charter, only a fine was imposed for "sorcery, sorcery and evil deeds". In subsequent legislative acts, it was established that “sorcerers and sorcerers, among other criminals, were subject to prosecution, but the degree of their punishment did not always reach the level of bloodshed.
                    The treatment was carried out by dividing the crowd into small groups with their simultaneous movement to different places. For example: "The mental epidemic of the" Pavlovian peasants ", manifested by the pogrom of the Orthodox Church, was initially reduced by the seizure of the adept M. Todosenko, who was recognized, however, by doctors as mentally healthy, and the determination of him for this act to 15 years of hard labor. At the same time, the process of "admonition" was subjected to the rest of the participants. "
                    http://magazine.mospsy.ru/nomer4/shig02.shtml
                    They lie to us that, in Ukraine, universal insanity is the first time in history. But whatever you say, you're right. Perhaps a combination of beneficial executions and humane isolation. wink
                  2. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 April 9 2016 13: 38
                    0
                    A good thought, but you underestimate the scale of what is happening in the banderlog, so you need to increase the number of the first and second by an order of magnitude i.e. ten times, then maybe something will change.
              2. stas132
                stas132 April 8 2016 10: 10
                +3
                What forums are there .. There, go into electronic petitions, that's where the symptoms are rushing! One bare cable in Azov is worth it.
            2. Lukich
              Lukich April 8 2016 10: 08
              +8
              Quote: Nick
              And interestingly, this comrade from Zaporozhye pinned,

              what's this. they do not give out
              1. question
                question April 8 2016 11: 13
                +1
                Che, hohlushki should already give free? ☺
                1. Lukich
                  Lukich April 8 2016 11: 40
                  +8
                  Quote: question
                  Che, hohlushki should already give free? ☺
                  1. Evpatiy.
                    Evpatiy. April 8 2016 12: 32
                    0
                    It was strong! I almost dislocated my jaw! Thank you!
                2. Lukich
                  Lukich April 8 2016 12: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: question
                  Che, hohlushki should already give free? ☺

                  not everyone
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 April 8 2016 12: 42
                    +6
                    not everyone

                    Recently, already on the site this video was, but now in the subject. Given what is painted on their T-shirts.
            3. yehat
              yehat April 8 2016 13: 15
              +3
              in fact, they seriously believe that the Russian Federation should give them ALL the land right up to the Kuril Islands.
              hence the talk about the empire. They negatively perceived Medved’s agreement with China on a new division of the border along the river, because they give OURS to some Chinese!
              you must understand - this is taught in Ukraine in schools. For this, children give grades. All in all seriousness, no jokes.
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 8 2016 09: 52
            +3
            Quote: Alex von Dorn
            Ukrainian empire ...

            Those. are they going to conquer the neighbors? Interestingly, due to what resources? Economic attractiveness or military power? Where does the pokryachka of Ukraine forge? Is it not in Zaporozhye? Damn, but Putin still does not know!
            1. The black
              The black April 8 2016 10: 22
              +4
              Those. are they going to conquer the neighbors?
              Well, what? The Mongols have already been issued an ultimatum - demanding compensation for non-pecuniary damage for the invasion of the Tatar-Mongol wassat Soon the Black Sea countries will be presented for the use of the Black Sea .... laughing
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 8 2016 13: 37
                0
                Quote: Black
                The Mongols have already set an ultimatum

                Cho, like, khan to the Mongols?
                Well this is where the hand of Kiev reached out stretched out!
              2. papas-57
                papas-57 April 8 2016 22: 22
                0
                "Soon, the Black Sea countries will be charged for using the Black Sea." They will bill the whole world for the fact that everyone breathed and breathed "Ukrainian air" without payment. Payment for three thousand years plus interest. After payment in Ukraine, paradise will come, if the oligarchs again don’t hang money.
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      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 8 2016 06: 47
        +7
        Well, you don’t need to talk about other EU countries, the whole of Eastern Europe will vote positively..And really this referendum does not carry legal action, well, the government recognized the opinion of the people. And then one click on the nose from the fenders and the Dutch will run with tulips to hug Svidomo ..
        Quote: Black
        WHO DOESN'T DOWNLOAD - THAT DAMNED NETHERLANDS !!!!!!! laughing ...... The coolest thing is, if a similar referendum were held in other EU countries, the result would be the same. Oh, how far the EU authorities are from the desires of the majority of the people. Not that way, gentlemen.
        1. 97110
          97110 April 8 2016 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: dmi.pris
          And then one click on the nose from the fenders

          Do they need it? Great way to wash your hands. The project then collapses, we must leave, saving face. The largest contribution to the outcome of the referendum was made by the South Caucasus and Ukraine, attracting the attention of local speeches, buttocks and muzzles. Not weird?
      3. Altona
        Altona April 8 2016 10: 18
        +3
        Quote: Black
        WHO DOESN'T DOWNLOAD - THAT DAMNED NETHERLANDS !!!!!

        ------------------------
        As Klitschko said: "This is while the Netherlands voted, let's see how Holland votes!" laughing
    2. OlegV
      OlegV April 8 2016 06: 24
      +26
      "The real goal of the organizers of the referendum


      here it is, what purpose ...))
      1. hrych
        hrych April 8 2016 07: 18
        +6
        Quote: OlegV
        here is what purpose ...

        There is still a fat rat - Britain is not traced ...
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 25
      +6
      shameless Europe! well, give me "lace panties" !!! in vain perhaps "svidomye" choked on cookies? am wassat
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      2. Very old
        Very old April 8 2016 07: 56
        +2
        Here are a couple of new screenshots - Keep A.Yu. - this is not a thong
        1. Very old
          Very old April 8 2016 07: 58
          +14
          Answer to the previous one: (open in a new tab, easy to read)
          1. Very old
            Very old April 8 2016 08: 03
            +2
            I was thinking: is it necessary to litter the Zoo
            1. bovig
              bovig April 8 2016 10: 27
              0
              Quote: Old very
              I was thinking: is it necessary to litter the Zoo

              Well, if the reserve, then even worse ...)) Let the zoo is better!)
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre April 8 2016 11: 22
                +1
                Only a cattle cemetery. No zoos.
              2. Very old
                Very old April 8 2016 12: 03
                0
                We bring children and grandchildren to the zoo

                And for ...... this contingent (rude, but true) Govnopark am
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 11: 18
              +1
              Quote: Old very
              I was thinking: is it necessary to litter the Zoo

              perhaps a place for them, in the Kunstkamera ...
          2. Very old
            Very old April 8 2016 12: 16
            0
            And still after - with the Censor, poisonous saliva choke
            (read in a new tab)
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 11: 17
          +1
          Peremogu did not happen ... I was already thinking, maybe the Dutch do not smoke so much? wassat
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 8 2016 11: 23
            +3
            Peremogu did not happen ... I was already thinking, maybe the Dutch do not smoke so much?

            Neighs, infection, well, very contagious!
            1. The black
              The black April 8 2016 12: 03
              +1
              the day was a success .. laughing
    4. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 8 2016 07: 45
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, The poor, present-day Ukraine is not needed by anyone.

      They just went too far with the Maidan, the Europeans wanted what would happen to the economy as under Yanukovych (Russia buys Ukrainian products), but Ukraine would be under the control of the West and would buy Western products. But here it turned out the other way around, Russia abandoned Ukrainian products, where Ukrainian managers themselves banned them, as a result, the economy sank and solvency fell several times. In general, the project with 40 million people turned out to be expensive due to sanctions, corruption, etc. So they decided to make the Dutch "scapegoats", but at the same time lure the "donkey" with a carrot (hope for the euro association).
    5. Blondy
      Blondy April 8 2016 09: 34
      +3
      And once again - George Friedman is a darling, unlike the current Strafor, who analyzed that Putin organized and subjugated the National Guard in fear of a pre-election coup.
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 8 2016 09: 54
        +1
        Quote: Blondy
        George Friedman - darling, unlike the current Strafor


        So George Friedman is Strafor smile
    6. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 8 2016 09: 52
      +1
      avvg
      In my opinion, The poor, present-day Ukraine is not needed by anyone.


      Then why won't she be left alone?
      Even today's Ukraine is a pretty tasty piece for some geopolitical player to leave it to another player.

      It is still far from over ... It’s just a change of one type of confrontation to another. In this regard, the West has a lot of groundwork. Russia also needs to gain experience.
    7. Prager
      Prager April 8 2016 11: 19
      0
      no, these savage rogues oh how mattresses are needed in the fight against us.
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 8 2016 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, The poor, present-day Ukraine is not needed by anyone.


      It's not about poverty. We do not need the current insane in the territory called Ukraine.
    9. Al1977
      Al1977 April 8 2016 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, The poor, present-day Ukraine is not needed by anyone.

      And what the x * government is investing in Yanukovych?
      And what about the Donbass - people went to fight for it from all over Russia, but now we don’t need it? And why on TV EVERY day they say about this country ??????
  2. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 8 2016 06: 21
    +3
    . Let it go breaks up the EU. It is easier to find a common language with each country individually yes
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 8 2016 06: 22
    +3
    Yes to hell with him, with the EU. We will reach an agreement with Germany on Nord Stream as soon as possible.
    1. Volgobalt
      Volgobalt April 8 2016 10: 15
      0
      Already agreed! And precisely because Germany does not believe in the European Union. The union will end and the pipe will remain, along with it the influence on the neighbors!
  4. martin-159
    martin-159 April 8 2016 06: 24
    +1
    , the question arose of how to distribute poverty

    Its shirt is closer to the body.
  5. apro
    apro April 8 2016 06: 25
    +2
    They also say that they smoke in the Netherlands, but they think badly, that’s how Poroshenko smiled intently, you can’t argue against democracy.
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 April 8 2016 06: 27
    +2
    George Friedman is an American political scientist. There is only one thought, there cannot be one Europe. Oh, they really want to. Although, from my bell tower of course, well, they voted against, and so what? It was the referendum in Holland that showed that Europe wants to be united, stable, prosperous. Ukraine does not fit there. According to the United States, it is needed in Europe, just in order for the European Union to break up. IMHO.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 8 2016 06: 44
      +7
      Quote: avva2012
      . Although, from my bell tower of course, well, they voted against, and so what?

      but thoughts on this subject dill
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 8 2016 06: 51
        +5
        Quote: Lukich but thoughts on this subject dill

        Are you sure these are thoughts?
        In some, everything that is secreted by the body is only suitable for fertilizer.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich April 8 2016 06: 56
          +11
          Quote: avva2012
          Are you sure these are thoughts?

          of course thoughts
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 8 2016 07: 20
            +1
            Quote: Lukich of course thoughts

            These are not thoughts, these are selections.
            The brain, as a functioning organ, in this case, cannot get rid of one heat (the thickness of the bone interferes, isolates), so it has to defecate.
      2. Nick
        Nick April 8 2016 09: 48
        +2
        Quote: Lukich
        but thoughts on this subject dill

        These are not thoughts, this is nonsense. In Ukraine, urgent need for mass psychotherapy
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 8 2016 11: 30
          0
          Unfortunately, in addition to mass psychotherapy, it is time to conduct no less massive euthanasia there. Because there are already many who psychotherapy (and even occupational therapy) will not help.
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      4. bovig
        bovig April 8 2016 11: 02
        +1
        Yes, yes! There is no silver lining! This conclusion confirms that psychiatry is already powerless here!))) I must admit that the dill is not only a special nation, even a new kind of homo primatus ...
  7. Roust
    Roust April 8 2016 06: 30
    +3
    Yes ... from those who wish in the EU and lace panties to the fullest ... There is nothing worse than deceived hopes. Bravo, the Netherlands!
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 8 2016 06: 30
    +2
    Hmm, like in the film "Station for Two" (for Ukraine) and now "herself, herself, herself"
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn April 8 2016 06: 33
    +6
    And I get the impression that everything is being done to gouge the outskirts to ashes, to complete irreversibility and then dump them on Russia. And to provide us with an unbearable weight for many, many years. In any case, Europe from the outskirts is already actively rejecting itself as a state ....
  10. Beetech
    Beetech April 8 2016 06: 34
    +3
    That's the end of "Friendship of Peoples" ... Everything is rightly said, it is easy to share the joy of prosperity, but as you pinch your tail, everything is in its own corners, "my house is on the edge."
    The EU, of course, will continue to exist, but rather as a sign on which Europeans will unite their Eurobolt and pay attention last, after observing their own interests.

    Well, the click on the nose of the "non-brothers" turned out to be savory. It is clear that in their rosy fantasies "Very friendly!", And here - such a tub of cold water! Maybe they will sober up a little. Although traditional medicine, it seems to me, is powerless here - psychiatry and surgery will help here ...
    1. 97110
      97110 April 8 2016 08: 49
      0
      Quote: BeeTech
      Although traditional medicine, it seems to me, is powerless here - here psychiatry and surgery will help ..
      If traditional medicine (including surgery, and psychiatry) is powerless, then dancing with a tambourine around the burning Rada should help.
  11. DIMA45R
    DIMA45R April 8 2016 06: 45
    +10
    .............. laughing
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2016 06: 58
    +2
    there is no such country - Europe

    It’s hard not to agree. There are a lot of officials sitting in Brussels and making strange decisions, there are the Baltic states with Poland, who ignore what the Americans do not like and try to push through what the owner demands. That's how they live, having become bureaucratic, having opened their doors for plowing, it is not clear to anyone and at the same time they hope to live happily ever after. But this most likely will not work.
  13. 89067359490
    89067359490 April 8 2016 06: 59
    +1
    Ukraine and Georgia will not be taken into the EU before Turkey in any way. And they really do not want to take Turkey. And in the next 20 years, Albania or Serbia will be taken to the EU.
  14. Taygerus
    Taygerus April 8 2016 07: 01
    0
    Europe doesn’t want to scumbag, it’s necessary to feed them, it’ll break up itself, so far in opinion, but the concrete discord has already gone, I’ve personally drummed it, and the next concrete such insult from civilized Europe has flown to the really insane people that Porosy set himself up as a guarantor of Euro-values fool
  15. tootsy
    tootsy April 8 2016 07: 12
    0
    Nobody needs someone else's problems. Especially with crocheted with spilled blood.
  16. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems April 8 2016 07: 15
    0
    Quote: alex-cn
    And I get the impression that everything is being done to gouge the outskirts to ashes, to complete irreversibility and then dump them on Russia. And to provide us with an unbearable weight for many, many years. In any case, Europe from the outskirts is already actively rejecting itself as a state ....

    Let them row themselves.
  17. Hooks
    Hooks April 8 2016 07: 22
    0
    This is just a joke from the EU. Time is running out.
    There are 28 states in the EU, while each referendum is held, the outskirts will disappear in history.
  18. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz April 8 2016 07: 26
    0
    I'm sick of just mentioning Ukraine. Degenerates
  19. volodya
    volodya April 8 2016 07: 39
    +13
    Europeans are afraid that they will have too.
    1. ochakow703
      ochakow703 April 11 2016 06: 53
      0
      Everything is simple. When Ukrainians made peace - they dug the seas, created an atmosphere, bred ukrohumov, they forgot to raise the sky above the "jump". And then bang - the Maidan! You have to jump. So they fought about the "nebo", now everything is like in Ukraine, the opposite.
  20. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 8 2016 07: 43
    +1
    An insulting click on the nose turned out! After all, Ukrainian agitators agitated the Dutch, and they did not succumb. Ukraine is not only impoverished and corrupt, it is not controlled, underpowered! What for it is needed by the pompous Europe !!
  21. VB
    VB April 8 2016 07: 54
    +2
    And this geyropa-let him go to w ... Let them at least cut each other.laughing
  22. salad
    salad April 8 2016 08: 26
    0
    Mdaaa ....... Poros broke off))) and why I do not see that the Russians are to blame for the failure of the referendum ?? or GDP? why is there silence in the media? why no one blames the Russian Federation? what kind of discrimination? laughing wassat fellow
  23. biserino
    biserino April 8 2016 09: 09
    0
    You never know whether the Islamists arrived in Europe, and now the fascists of Ukraine, no, thank you!
  24. Djozz
    Djozz April 8 2016 10: 28
    +3
    Not for the sake of gloating!
  25. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 8 2016 10: 49
    +2
    5 more offshore companies were found at the PRS. I liked the explanation - "PRSh promised to sell the business, but it does not sell well, and it will be easier to do it offshore ..." Under the table ...
    And one more curious detail - against the background of "impoverished" Ukrainian oligarchs, the PRSh is quite cheerful - + $ 100 million last year. As some xoxol politician explained at the debate, everything is simple: the crisis, metal and other shnyaga fell in price, and the demand for confectionery is stable and even growing
    Still under the table.
  26. solovey
    solovey April 8 2016 12: 09
    0
    Turchynov Parashenko Yatsenyuk urgently declare the Netherlands ATO separatists there wink
  27. Stabilization
    Stabilization April 8 2016 12: 42
    0
    But all this is still flowers, ladies and gentlemen .... take care of the abdominal muscles, because you will have to laugh more than once and harder)) ... Although this laugh for "not brothers" gives off a bitter taste ...
    1. yehat
      yehat April 8 2016 13: 25
      0
      I wonder when they blame Peter-1 for the results of the Dutch vote? He lived there for some time as an agent of the Kremlin’s influence ...
  28. Calter
    Calter April 9 2016 22: 05
    0
    But I don’t understand what is the reason for the stormy joy in the comments?
    1) The referendum is advisory in nature. Those. The EU leaves room for negotiation maneuver.
    2) Ukraine, regardless of the results of the referendum, and the result of negotiations on the Euro-association, will remain deeply hostile to Russia. Or is there a hope that, having broken off from the EU, Ukraine will crawl to us on all fours to ask for forgiveness ?! This will not happen. In addition, no one will refuse them, they will be suspended, like Turkey, for the next half century. After all, a diplomat who says "No" is not a diplomat. wink Therefore, gloating over the referendum, you are likened to the same Svidomo. If, even about 2 years ago, in the event of such an event, one could console oneself with the hope that Ukraine would return to the Russian sphere of interests, now this is even less likely. Even if despairing in the EU, Dill will be asked back - do we need it? For these 2 years, Khokhkhly 50 years ago rolled back in development (economic, of course).
    So, as for me, it would be better if all the wet Maydown euro dreams were fulfilled. Then they will see for themselves that the Euro-association will not give them anything: well, they will fly to Europe, and then what? They will not become either refugees or citizens, which means that they will not see the European social sphere for them. But there are no jobs either: migrants have probably taken their hands on the entire low-skilled niche. So back to their broken trough. Then you can gloat. wink