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Space exploration of the USSR and the USA

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During the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, our country had a socialist social system or, as it is now called, Russian communism. And we continued to amaze the world with our successes in the most high-tech industries, requiring the highest level of development of industry and science. Such industries, in particular, include space and aviation industries. In the described time, Soviet cosmonautics continued to occupy a leading position in the world.


Space exploration of the USSR and the USA


In 1966, the world's first automatic stationary lunar station Luna-9 was delivered to the moon. In 1968, the automated probe Zond-5 flew to the moon for seven days, flew around it, and returned to the earth. Two months later, in November of the same year, Luna-6 automatic station flew around the moon, carrying out the necessary scientific research. For two years, 16 interplanetary automated stations were launched to explore the moon.

“September 12 1970, the Soviet automatic station Luna-16 went to the moon, bringing 105 grams of lunar soil. Of these 105 grams, the USSR handed over 3,2 grams to the USA, that is, about 3%. Probably, we had the right to expect that the Americans would also transfer to us about the same percentage - about 1,5 kg of their samples from the first two expeditions, ”writes Yu. I. Mukhin.

In fact, the Americans did not give us a single gram of soil, because they did not fly to the moon, and they did not have lunar soil. They wrote about the composition of the lunar soil on the basis of the 2,3 of this soil received from us, and the Hollywood script was prepared on the basis of images and panoramas of the lunar surface transmitted by our lunar rovers.

In November, the 1970 of the year the Soviet interplanetary space station Luna-17 delivered an automatic self-propelled spacecraft Lunokhod-1, controlled from the ground, to the surface of the moon. In the period from November 17 1970 to October 4, 1971 passed through the surface of the planet 10 540 meters and transmitted about 20 thousands of lunar surface images to the earth. In addition, they were transferred to the earth more than 200 panoramas of the lunar surface and many other research works were done. Its weight was 756 kg.

The second vehicle, the Lunokhod-2, weighing 840 kg was delivered to the lunar surface 16 in January 1973 using the automatic station Luna-21 in the Sea of ​​Clarity area. "Lunokhod-2" worked on the moon for about one year and passed on the surface of the moon about 37 kilometers, conducting a lot of scientific research.

The interplanetary Soviet automatic stations "Luna-16", "Luna-20", "Luna-24" delivered to Earth, to the territory of the USSR, a lunar soil, called regolith. The Soviet Union is the only country in the world whose automated stations and vehicles visited the moon.

The current generation was told that the USSR was behind the United States in the field of space exploration and, in particular, the moon. Moreover, various liberal researchers call the time lag from 3-s to 5-years. It is strange to hear statements about our lag from the United States, from a country that in the twentieth century was never able to create a rocket for interplanetary travel with the delivery of the necessary cargo.

In rocket production and in the nuclear industry weapons The United States lagged behind the USSR for decades, and if the USSR continued to exist, one could say that we have lagged behind forever.

To hide their backlog, the Americans resorted to the help of cinema, the level of which allowed the public to mislead tales of flying to the moon and other myths. But they couldn’t conduct specialists, and today the boldest of them prove that the US astronauts never flew to the moon. In particular, this opinion is shared by the head of the Russian rocket and space industry, Leonid Viktorovich Batsura, who has worked in the space industry for about 40 years.

L. Batsura, the world's largest specialist in the creation of interplanetary spacecraft and space flight, in an interview with the newspaper “Tomorrow” about the design of the “lunar” “Apollo” pointed to a number of design features that clearly do not allow him to fly to the moon and sit down on its surface.

He also questioned the delivery of an American rover to Mars and expressed regret about Russia's senseless spending of billions of dollars on the implementation of the deliberately impracticable idea of ​​creating an “environmentally friendly” rocket engine powered by liquid hydrogen. Soviet scientists and designers proved the impossibility of creating such an engine back in the 1935 year, and V. P. Glushko experimentally proved it in the 1980 year.

But the pro-American lobby stubbornly pushes Russia to unjustified expenses, trying to deprive us of the possibility of improving Protons and Brizes and generally writing off the best rocket of the world as not conforming to environmental requirements, while expanding the use of our missiles in their new designs. L. Batsura, in particular, said the following: “But the Americans did not have it either in 1969, or today they have no real technical means of reaching the moon, landing on the moon, and returning people from the moon to earth.

How can you not notice that the Apollo, the shell of the take-off stage of which is covered with 25 layers of Mylar and one layer of aluminum foil, would expand to the shape of a ball when going into space and its shell would scatter to shreds?

How can you not notice that when landing on the moon, the landing engine of the descent module should have burned both the landing radar antenna, the landing gear and the bottom of the landing stage?

How can you not notice that when the take-off engine is working, its torch should burn both the coatings, the niches and the bottom of the take-off stage, overheat the tanks of the fuel components and destroy the entire level?

How can you not notice that under the scenario of the Apollo-13 accident, which experts in Russia, who defend the interests of the USA in Russia, “Apollo-13”, equivalent to 150 kg of trinitrotoluene, would disperse in the universe, crash into us?

Such questions, caused by inconsistencies in the official data and visible to any unbiased specialist, can be asked hundreds, if not thousands. The whole American "lunar program" - ... staging ... And many of our compatriots were far from her extras. I think the fate of Korolev and Gagarin strongly influenced them.

Very quickly, in the USA, they realized that they could not organize a demonstration manned expedition to the Moon, either before 2020 or before 2040. Can not! So they asked Obama to cover the program. He covered her. But now they have a declared priority - Mars. And there, as always, everything is “in chocolate”, the Hollywood “happy end” is obligatory. ”(Interview in the newspaper“ Tomorrow ”No. 34 of August 2012). Yu. I. Mukhin, in 2006, wrote a book with a volume in the 432 page called “The Moon Moon USA.”

One fact that confirms the significant lag of the United States from the USSR in the field of space exploration suffices, namely: the United States in the twentieth century did not create a single orbital station, that is, did not build a single "house" in space. In the 21 century, the United States built an orbital station. But in fact, the US space station was built by Russian scientists, engineers and workers. For the construction of the station, a high level of development of science and the space industry is needed, and for its launch into orbit a powerful rocket. This is probably why, until the collapse of the USSR, the United States could neither fly to the Moon, nor independently orbit the orbital station. They could not fly to the moon or to another planet after the collapse of the USSR. Mars is engaged in the same Hollywood who was engaged in flights to the moon.

The Soviet Union launched the Salyut orbital station back in orbit as early as 1971. In total, between 1971 and 1983, the Salyut stations were put into 7 orbit. Each Salyut station weighed about 18,9 tons, and the volume of residential compartments for astronauts was about 100 cubic meters. The delivery and crew change was carried out by the Soyuz and SoyuzT spaceships, and the fuel, equipment and other goods were made by the Progress cargo ships.

20.02.1986 was launched into orbit the Soviet orbital station for flights in near-Earth orbit Mir. And if the Salyut station can be called home, then for the Mir station it is more consistent with the name Palace.

The Mir station was designed to build a multi-purpose, permanently operating manned complex with special orbital modules for scientific and national economic purposes. The mass of the station was about 40 tons, length - about 40 meters.

The Gorbachev Perestroika reconstructed all the work on the construction of the complex, but the Mir station was flying until recently and could fly for many more years. The Russian government destroyed it under US pressure. It was obvious to every thinking person. Many scientists and workers in the space industry objected to the destruction of the station, which, in their opinion, was operational, fulfilled all the functions assigned to it and could be operated for a long time while carrying out the work provided for by the maintenance regulations.

The state of the station allowed our astronauts to work in it and see everything that happens on planet Earth. The United States could not allow such a defeated Russia in the Cold War, and we lost our palace in space. The experience of creating stations, accumulated by Soviet science, the work of Russian scientists, engineers and workers is embodied in the US station, which today flies around the earth, watching us.

In the 1975 year, the United States, seeing its lagging behind the USSR in strategic weapons and the inability to create missile defense, sought to obtain USSR signatures on the ABM and SALT treaties.

In order to achieve their goals, they temporarily moved from confrontation to friendly steps. In July, 1975, a demonstration of friendship between the USSR and the USA, was a docking and a two-day joint flight in space of the Soyuz and Apollo spacecraft. But this flight does not indicate the equality of our achievements and opportunities.

The Americans didn’t have a powerful spacecraft of the type of our “Progress” and, in my opinion, could not create it even now, despite access to our structures and technologies. Therefore, one must assume that they are still lagging behind the Russian Federation in the space industry. And it is quite obvious from the above examples that the United States lags behind the USSR for many years in the space industry and in space exploration in the 1960-x-1980-s. The one who claims the opposite, does it either because of hatred towards our country, or he fulfills an order well-paid by the West.
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  1. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 10 2016 06: 52
    +17
    The author’s mouth would drink honey. Yes, the successes were and were tremendous, until Space Exploration from the industry turned into a business. Today, based on the mass of publications, we have a lot of scientific and technical ideas, it seems that there are funds, and the industry began to fail and openly slow down. We will wait for positive changes. All involved with the upcoming Cosmonautics Day.
    1. AUL
      AUL April 10 2016 13: 33
      -2
      Once again, this old squabble "were - were not" lit up. As offensive as it may seem for us, they were there.
      Turn on the logic. In those years, both we and they were eager for the moon. And the chances of being the first to get there were roughly equal. Even, perhaps, our chances were greater then. A matter of time - within maybe 10-15 years. And then the mattresses went on an adventure, made a film instead of a real flight. And we, even after 10 years, but flew there and looked. But there are no traces! belay Scandal! And all the participants in this show are alive, in place. And all that remains for them is a bullet in the forehead or in the monastery. Reputation is lost forever, and there it is very important. So think for yourself.
      1. bogdan4ik
        bogdan4ik April 11 2016 09: 57
        +2
        You do not turn on logic, but learn to go. You carry garbage, but in the head is empty as in a drum. It has long and reliably been proven that the USA has neither technical nor scientific capabilities for launching manned ships. But the ignoramuses and ignoramuses like you push on some kind of logic.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 14
      +5
      In this area, in the next 15 years, a "hollow trampoline" may come, unlike the United States, where work is in full swing, both on manned space ships and on a super-heavy rocket, as well as on an air launch, and we will only have to sell engines and all the space epic will end there - Roscosmos "rules"
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 10 2016 20: 34
        +4
        Very suspicious article. What is this one pearl worth:
        Quote: Vadim237
        The United States in the twentieth century did not create a single orbital station

        But what about Skylab?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 10 2016 22: 18
          +1
          Sorry, but I never wrote or said such.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 10 2016 22: 21
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Sorry, but I never wrote or said such

            Vadim, this is a phrase from the article .. and you accidentally got there ..

            Demand rebuttal .. and moral compensation am

            laughing
  2. allim
    allim April 10 2016 06: 54
    +5
    Well, about the presence of a ship’s transport ship among the Americans, I would argue, but otherwise I agree. Recently I read an article about the flights of the first ships of Jemeni and Mercury, where there is complete crap. http://manonmoon.ru/
    1. Edvagan
      Edvagan April 10 2016 17: 19
      +2
      the Americans had the Skylab orbital station, which had a record high internal volume, and was launched into orbit by the "lunar" Saturn rocket.
  3. Foofighter
    Foofighter April 10 2016 07: 23
    +4
    And where in the article do you find the words "Energy", "Buran" and now supplied to the United States in spite of the sanctions "RD-" from it?
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 10 2016 09: 09
      -1
      ... or "despite"?
  4. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 10 2016 07: 58
    +1
    I liked the article. It's time, finally, to remove all the information, all books and films about how the Americans were on the moon. Or accompany it with a note --- science fiction!
    Cosmonautics Day! There is no such holiday anywhere else, in any countries!
    Happy Holiday, dear interlocutors!
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 10 2016 09: 41
      +2
      ... nothing lasts forever under the moon, there just wasn’t time .., like the explosion of skyscrapers at Amer open to the state. level .. In Russia there is enough material about all this ..
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 18
      0
      Don't worry - in 2020 the probe will go to the place where the first landing on the Moon took place and Mukhina will be stuck in his own fairy tales, and together with him all the "lapushar" who believed his stories.
      1. redeemer
        redeemer April 10 2016 17: 37
        -1
        ha ha yes who will get there now ??? USSR climbed and where is the USSR now?
        the Chinese are faking everything. and Amer’s order was faked with a jade rabbit. They think they will amuse the gods and how the Americans will receive bonuses. only it turns out the other way around.
        stupid monkeys do not want to understand a simple thing ... balance, scales can not be fooled ........
  5. parusnik
    parusnik April 10 2016 08: 02
    +2
    presumably, they still lag behind the Russian Federation in the space industry...On our taxiways fly ..
    1. Basarev
      Basarev April 10 2016 20: 39
      +4
      But you understand that this is a temporary phenomenon. Americans will not fly on our engines forever. SLS is being tested and finalized, and quite successfully, but with us ... The lunar expedition is scheduled for the thirtieth year, the former AvtoVAZ director manages the cosmonautics, and even the president is unable to curb the devilry in Vostochny.
  6. Erg
    Erg April 10 2016 08: 27
    +2
    Only a child (and Leonov) can believe that a man landed on the moon wassat ) But, unfortunately, the theme of the venality of the party elite of the USSR, which entered into a conspiracy with the United States, is hardly touched upon anywhere.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 10 2016 08: 39
      +1
      Was there a conspiracy? Maybe they simply cawed, how could they? Out of loyal feelings tried and rejoiced that they paid attention to? This topic is endless, all taken together and separately.
      1. Erg
        Erg April 10 2016 08: 49
        +6
        There was a conspiracy. One hundred percent. But if you pull this thread, the "path" will certainly lead in our days, to our "figures". This will reveal the facts of monstrous betrayal. Loan guarantee, however. They noticed that Stalin, having got rid of the Leninist team, did not demonize the leader himself. Otherwise, by doing so, he would have unwound such a ball ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 11 2016 11: 28
          0
          A tangle by a club, and demonizing Lenin, it would turn out that everything that was nonsense and a mistake or a crime. What would it be then. I still don’t understand how they, the tops, conspired. Rather, there were simply orders from individuals who simply it was impossible to disobey.
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    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 10 2016 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: Erg
      Only a child (and Leonov) can believe that a man landed on the moon

      What about Boris Chertok?
      1. Erg
        Erg April 10 2016 09: 52
        +1
        Anyone who does not accept the "official version" dictated by the system will not be able to achieve anything in it. Selya vi ...
    3. Valkokaarti
      Valkokaarti April 10 2016 10: 46
      -2
      Quote: Erg
      But, unfortunately, the topic of corruption of the party elite of the USSR, which entered into a conspiracy with the United States, is almost never mentioned.

      Yes, yes, of course!
      And what the whole world watched the telescopes for the flight and intercepted on the radio conversations of the Lunanauts do not bother you ?! laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 20
        0
        Our stations intercepted everything and reported to the country's leadership.
        1. Erg
          Erg April 11 2016 00: 09
          0
          What stations? And what were they "intercepting" there? Did the Yankees report the coordinates (facts to the studio)? Ever tried to intercept data from a small object like Apollo? The USSR leadership was already in agreement with everything ... bully
      2. Erg
        Erg April 11 2016 00: 04
        +1
        Who "followed" the "flight" of the Apollo? belay And they "intercepted" the "negotiations" from a repeater from the Moon, delivered by an automatic station (I don't know which one). The Yankees did not report the coordinates of the flight to anyone (unlike us, during the flight of Gagarin, where we turned to the English observatory).
  7. Erg
    Erg April 10 2016 08: 40
    +1
    Few people think that the 80 Olympiad in Moscow is one of the kickbacks of amers. It looks funny that they "boycotted" her lol
  8. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 10 2016 08: 44
    +2
    Yes, the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich", in my opinion, is the best, then they made the RD-0410, and even partially tested it, if only it was brought to a flight model, how could one fly in space
    1. Valkokaarti
      Valkokaarti April 10 2016 10: 47
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      Quote: sa-ag
      Yes, the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich", in my opinion, is the best,

      Of course, high oil prices finally allowed the USSR to defeat hunger and provide at least some appearance of normal life in the country. But as the 91st year showed, this was not enough for normal people.
      1. MMX
        MMX April 10 2016 11: 02
        +7
        Quote: Valkokaarti
        Quote: sa-ag
        Yes, the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich", in my opinion, is the best,

        Of course, high oil prices finally allowed the USSR to defeat hunger and provide at least some appearance of normal life in the country. But as the 91st year showed, this was not enough for normal people.


        What do you mean? Straight oil ate? Or money from its sale?

        P.S. And the 91st year you dragged, apparently not by accident. Let me guess - the year of your birth?
        1. Valkokaarti
          Valkokaarti April 10 2016 12: 05
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          Quote: MMX
          What do you mean? Straight oil ate? Or money from its sale?

          Otherwise, you don’t understand what I mean, or remind you how, after the fall in world oil prices in the USSR, empty shelves appear in stores, and the level of "zazdets" in the country begins to approach the level of North Korea and Cuba, which also do not have petrodollars in the budget ?!
          Quote: MMX
          Let me guess - the year of your birth?

          Almost guessed, the years were good, the years of the democratic explosion in Russia.
          Among my classmates, almost all were either the second or third child in the family, so God forbid that Gorbachev has many more years to live in the tens of millions of human lives that saw this light thanks to his politics!
          Or are you nicer and closer to Stalin and the following years, when people annually live millions from starvation or prisons, and instead of the large families that are used to in Russia, it has become the norm for one, the maximum 2 child in a family ?!
          1. Sobol
            Sobol April 10 2016 13: 10
            +4
            Quote: Valkokaarti
            ..after falling world oil prices in the USSR, empty shelves appear in stores ..

            And tons of sausage in the garbage can also come from falling oil prices?
            And the birth of tens of thousands of human lives under Gorbachev, probably hamburgers from Magdonalds and other jeans stimulated. Well, how could Soviet people multiply without all this!
            1. Valkokaarti
              Valkokaarti April 10 2016 13: 16
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              Quote: SoboL
              Well, how could Soviet people multiply without all this!

              Really! Show me at least one healthy organism that can reproduce well in captivity unsuitable for normal life!
              1. Sobol
                Sobol April 10 2016 16: 00
                +4
                Quote: Valkokaarti
                Quote: SoboL
                Well, how could Soviet people multiply without all this!

                Really! Show me at least one healthy organism that can reproduce well in captivity unsuitable for normal life!

                My maternal grandfather and grandmother had seven children, paternal five. It was probably the evil Stalin who forced them to repress them, and the General Secretary Gorbachev did not even smell then.
          2. Yars
            Yars April 10 2016 13: 28
            +4
            Quote: Valkokaarti
            Quote: MMX
            What do you mean? Straight oil ate? Or money from its sale?

            Otherwise, you don’t understand what I mean, or remind you how, after the fall in world oil prices in the USSR, empty shelves appear in stores, and the level of "zazdets" in the country begins to approach the level of North Korea and Cuba, which also do not have petrodollars in the budget ?!
            Quote: MMX
            Let me guess - the year of your birth?

            Almost guessed, the years were good, the years of the democratic explosion in Russia.
            Among my classmates, almost all were either the second or third child in the family, so God forbid that Gorbachev has many more years to live in the tens of millions of human lives that saw this light thanks to his politics!
            Or are you nicer and closer to Stalin and the following years, when people annually live millions from starvation or prisons, and instead of the large families that are used to in Russia, it has become the norm for one, the maximum 2 child in a family ?!

            what kind of darling dear ?! What do you know about the Stalin era ?! The people were destroyed by Trotsky with Khrushchev, and all the dogs were hanged on Stalin!
            1. Valkokaarti
              Valkokaarti April 10 2016 14: 40
              -9
              Quote: YARS
              what kind of darling dear ?! What do you know about the Stalin era ?! The people were destroyed by Trotsky with Khrushchev, and all the dogs were hanged on Stalin!

              This Trotsky is a Marxist (I will remind you that Marxism is an anti-authoritarian and humanistic doctrine!) Who saved the "military experts" and many tsarist scientists under his wing (I will remind you that Stalin declared the need for the physical destruction of all Central Asian officers) was a destroyer ?!
              Or Khrushchev, who abolished slavery in the USSR (having dispersed the gulag) and issued passports to the peasants and resettled people from Stalin's barracks into separate apartments as a destroyer?
              So you have nonsense, and it’s naughty!
          3. MMX
            MMX April 10 2016 14: 17
            +5
            Quote: Valkokaarti

            Otherwise, you don’t understand what I mean, or remind you how, after the fall in world oil prices in the USSR, empty shelves appear in stores, and the level of "zazdets" in the country begins to approach the level of North Korea and Cuba, which also do not have petrodollars in the budget ?!


            "Zvizdets", as you put it, began after 85, after the beginning of perestroika, glasnost and all-forgiving (selfless and repentant) love for the West. I remember that exactly.

            Quote: Valkokaarti

            Almost guessed, the years were good, the years of the democratic explosion in Russia.
            Among my classmates, almost all were either the second or third child in the family, so God forbid that Gorbachev has many more years to live in the tens of millions of human lives that saw this light thanks to his politics!
            Or are you nicer and closer to Stalin and the following years, when people annually live millions from starvation or prisons, and instead of the large families that are used to in Russia, it has become the norm for one, the maximum 2 child in a family ?!


            Yeah, after the civil war and the terrifying crucible of the Great Patriotic War (where the USSR lost 30 million lives of its citizens), as well as after "millions die of hunger or prisons every year," in the middle of the 20th century, the population grew in the region of 30 million. But after reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the country had minus 20 million population (without global wars and civil war) ...
            1. Valkokaarti
              Valkokaarti April 10 2016 14: 50
              -9
              Quote: MMX
              "Zvizdets", as you put it, began after 85, after the beginning of perestroika, glasnost and all-forgiving (selfless and repentant) love for the West.

              I will explain. The prehistory of the "zvizdets" is a communist splinter in the body of Russia with subsequent ulcers and amputation of individual "organs".
              Therefore, it was not Gorbachev and Yeltsin who destroyed the USSR. They built a free Russia, and the USSR fell apart on its own!
              Quote: MMX
              But after the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the country had minus 20 million people (without global wars and civil war) ...

              Stupidity!
              The population of the RSFSR in 1984 was 141 million, the population of the Russian Federation in 1993 was 148 million.
              Total 7 million population growth (plus don't forget about the "brain drain" and "criminal 90s")
              But then, yes, the decline began. But the reason for it was "too old middle age in the Russian Federation." In the USSR, they often gave birth to only one child, a maximum of 2, and it was the result of this that the natural population decline in the 90s became.
              Now our population is growing again.
              1. MMX
                MMX April 10 2016 17: 49
                +2
                Quote: Valkokaarti

                I will explain. The prehistory of the "zvizdets" is a communist splinter in the body of Russia with subsequent ulcers and amputation of individual "organs".
                Therefore, it was not Gorbachev and Yeltsin who destroyed the USSR. They built a free Russia, and the USSR fell apart on its own!


                Hmm, what does 1984 have to do with it? Gorbachev, if you don’t know, took the helm of the USSR in 1985 (became General Secretary) and until 1991 remained the leader of the country. And it was during this period that the decline in the birth rate and the increase in mortality began. Having tasted all the "nishtyaks" that Gorby brought to the people, this very people somehow suddenly began to die and stopped giving birth. Apparently from an unprecedented "happiness" ...

                Quote: Valkokaarti
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                Stupidity!
                The population of the RSFSR in 1984 was 141 million, the population of the Russian Federation in 1993 was 148 million.
                Total 7 million population growth (plus don't forget about the "brain drain" and "criminal 90s")
                But then, yes, the decline began. But the reason for it was "too old middle age in the Russian Federation." In the USSR, they often gave birth to only one child, a maximum of 2, and it was the result of this that the natural population decline in the 90s became.
                Now our population is growing again.


                Now re-read your answer and think, how does this all contradict what I said? But nothing: there was the USSR - there was an increase; the Soviet Union didn’t - the decline began. Everything is simple.
                At the same time, think, how did it happen that under the bloody Stalinist regime "when the people die by the millions from hunger or prisons every year," they (the citizens of the USSR) could still give birth and increase the population? A problem ...
  9. Hope1960
    Hope1960 April 10 2016 11: 16
    +7
    And in our time, we complete the betrayal of perestroika - we destroy the best education in the world! Instead of pioneer recreation camps and science fiction, they gave children drugs and an early interest in sex, killing the purity of thoughts leading to the stars!
    1. Valkokaarti
      Valkokaarti April 10 2016 12: 13
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      Quote: Hope1960
      we destroy the best education in the world!

      There was no better education in the USSR in the world, enough to lie!
      As the Marxists say (you read Marx like me, a representative of the Soviet great education !!!!!) Practice is the only criterion for the truth of a theory! And what did we have with practice?
      In the agricultural sector, the yield per hectare was several times (in some crops more than 10 times) lower than that in the capitalist countries.
      In terms of life expectancy, we, too, were inferior to Western countries! And this is, as they say, their junk food!
      The reliability and resource of our cars was 3-10 times inferior to theirs!
      And indeed, almost all of our products were copies of them, but at the same time copies of worse quality!
      And is it really so difficult to understand that having the "best education" it is physically impossible to produce second- and third-rate goods ?!
      1. MMX
        MMX April 10 2016 19: 01
        +4
        Quote: Valkokaarti
        Quote: Hope1960
        we destroy the best education in the world!

        There was no better education in the USSR in the world, enough to lie!
        As the Marxists say (you read Marx like me, a representative of the Soviet great education !!!!!) Practice is the only criterion for the truth of a theory! And what did we have with practice?
        In the agricultural sector, the yield per hectare was several times (in some crops more than 10 times) lower than that in the capitalist countries.
        In terms of life expectancy, we, too, were inferior to Western countries! And this is, as they say, their junk food!
        The reliability and resource of our cars was 3-10 times inferior to theirs!
        And indeed, almost all of our products were copies of them, but at the same time copies of worse quality!
        And is it really so difficult to understand that having the "best education" it is physically impossible to produce second- and third-rate goods ?!


        This is a patent. To measure the level of education in the quantity and quality of cars produced is a patent. These are stupid UN institutions and other research organizations come up with all sorts of indexes, use scientific methods for collecting, processing and analyzing information about the educational systems of the world. There are all sorts of levels of access to education, the number of subjects, the number of educated people, the authority of teachers, the number of research institutions and other nonsense is not even worth attention. Since the casket simply opened: he looked who better made the car (or TV, conditionally), that one had better education ...

        P.S. I wonder if you consider yourself educated? If so, how many good cars have you collected in your life?
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 10 2016 12: 20
      +1
      Yes, in the daytime, on the children's channel, in the voice of a 12-year-old girl they tell when the girls of some people there had their first sexual experience! It can be seen not to be shy.
      1. Valkokaarti
        Valkokaarti April 10 2016 13: 24
        -8
        Quote: Dimy4
        in the voice of a 12-year-old girl they tell when the girls of some people there had their first sexual experience! It can be seen not to be shy.

        Considering that in the USSR the "age of consent" was 14 years (the maximum, in the case of an examination, it was often recognized even less) and that the "marshals of victory" also had underage wives, girls, even in the USSR, were far from being shy either!
        Therefore, I am not interested in your complexes about this, so let them show such transfers, there will be less pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections among adolescents.
  10. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik April 10 2016 11: 52
    -3
    The article is nonsense. It feels like the author is either a meager mind or another post propaganda. For some reason, the author did not mention the skyleb. But what, after all, the Americans again fooled everyone, they did not let the orbital station. They shot her in Hollywood. The author mentioned the proton. Like his fuel is the most. Why did the queens insist on another? Stupid like chtole Americans? And then also Glushkov stupid and also did not make energy on heptyl. And the author is clearly smarter than the man who was in the same unit with Gagarin and the first to go into outer space. Hands off the truth. We will not believe the Americans.
    And now about the serious. It’s like with Sikorsky. After all, he did not invent the helicopter. He was invented before him. But maybe he built the first really flying helicopter? But no. The first Italian flew. his achievement is that he created the first production helicopter. Although this statement is debatable.
  11. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik April 10 2016 12: 19
    -2
    A little more of my thoughts to you minus. The author noted that the Americans were behind the USSR in space affairs. This is actually true. But not because they are stupid, but because they put emphasis on the shuttles. But the point is that the USSR did not break far. But now they are ahead. Why? Yes, because outside the Earth’s orbit there isn’t a single (!) Device with a two-headed eagle and tricolor. Well, our eagle can’t fly so high. But recall how many American Mars rovers are on Mars? New Horizons. Pioneer. Voyager. Can you name our analogues of these AMS?
    Now the Americans are developing several manned ships. And Europeans and Japanese have analogues of progress. Even the Chinese fired on their orbital station. And you say our cosmonautics is ahead.
    It is especially pleasing that, saying this according to the author, I either hate my homeland or have sold myself to the West. And why do not they say this to those who have brought our industry to this? How many years do we design a manned spacecraft? Although won in the USSR Zarya designed. But no, we will do it again. We are ahead of the planet. There were. Once upon a time.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm April 10 2016 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: Cityman
      But the point is that the USSR did not break far. But now they are ahead. Why? Yes, because outside the earth's orbit there is no one (!) Device with a two-headed eagle and tricolor.

      You are wrong, on March 14.03.2016, XNUMX, a rocket to Mars launched from Baikanur.
      1. Gorodovik
        Gorodovik April 10 2016 17: 31
        0
        really. Something flashed. But there is one squiggle. The spacecraft is called Trace Gas Orbiter. Since when did Roscosmos start calling spacecraft in non-Russian7 And all because this device is European. Yes there are seven scientific instruments. that’s all ours. So be proud that we at least let the Europeans do something. For me it looks like a cab service but not a joint apparatus.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm April 10 2016 21: 02
          -1
          Quote: Cityman
          For me it looks like a cab service but not a joint apparatus.

          Who is looking from which side.
          You have stated.
          Quote: Cityman
          Well, our eagle can’t fly so high.

          But no, it turns out that the Russian eagle flies high, this joint program is designed, if I am not mistaken, until 2022, seven scientific instruments are not a little, and what's wrong with Russia is developing a launch vehicle for European money.
          And the article is really left.
          1. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 11 2016 07: 11
            +2
            AMS "New Horizons" to Pluto - Russian engines RD-180, without them, as it is not "eagle"
            The main instrument of the "Curiosity" rover is Russian, again Russian RD-180 engines
            almost all AMC plasma engines are Russian
            ISS - all based on Soviet technology
            manned transport there - Russian
            You can still list very long
            1. Gorodovik
              Gorodovik April 11 2016 09: 56
              -1
              Okay, but still they did not fly to Mars and the pluton rd180. About the main Curiosity device. I did not find any mention of this device. About the ISS. So it’s a taxi service. Not such an achievement that you are so proud of him. After all, mankind has been flying like this for 50 years. and as if the Americans were already approaching the flights of their ships. and where is our federation? Remind. And on the ISS there are more American modules than ours. Plus two more European and Japanese.
              About plasma engines. So I'm mentioning smart, but it kind of flutters in orbit. So they are not convinced
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 11 2016 12: 02
                +1
                What flew there flew thanks to them. Neutron detector for water search. When / if you start to drive yourself you will see how proud they are. More doesn't mean better.
                Look for them again, maybe you can make sure ...
  12. Old26
    Old26 April 10 2016 13: 18
    +1
    Quote: Cityman
    A little more of my thoughts to you minus. The author noted that the Americans were behind the USSR in space affairs. This is actually true

    Of course, behind, how not to fall behind. They are Americans ...
    In general, the article is a minus. This is not an objective analysis of space exploration, but a mixture of tricked-down facts according to the "USSR is ahead of everyone else" scheme with conspiracy theories.
    Where it is profitable, the author conceals the successes of our opponents, but when it comes to priorities, we are ahead, even if we were not in some positions. And then, what are the "Americans lagging behind"? Gender the number of manned flights, or what other criteria? But in order for the analysis to be objective, it was only necessary to take and count. Or if we write that our station brought soil from the Moon, then it would be nice not only to highlight these achievements, but also to say how many stations were launched in general to extract soil, and how many did it.
    And so - agitation, no more
  13. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona April 10 2016 13: 59
    +3
    In fact, the Americans did not give us a gram of soil, because they did not fly to the moon, and they did not have lunar soil

    If they didn’t transmit, then what lies in the Cosmonautics Museum with the signature that it is Lunar Soil from Apollo 11? wassat
    Lunar soil delivered by the crew of Apollo 11 (gift from the USSR from the USA), Cosmonautics Museum

    Also in the newspaper, the truth is clearly Soviet article of liberals squeezed
  14. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 10 2016 15: 38
    +4
    Were, were not the United States on the moon ... As I read it in some of the media: there was such a case. After splashdown the lunar capsule of one of the "Apollo", due to its deviation from the splashdown site, it was the first to catch it by the ships of the USSR Navy. To the surprise of the sailors, it was empty. When the US ships arrived, they gave it to the Americans. No explanation followed. There is a good film for thought on this topic - "Capricorn - 1". Filmed, by the way, in Hollywood.
    And I will add more. There are pictures of "Lunakhod" on the lunar surface. And there are no pictures with Apollo lunar modules on the Moon.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 10 2016 15: 57
      0
      There was no such case, or bring a Soviet source, this event wink
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk April 10 2016 16: 08
        +2
        Here is a snapshot of Lunokhod. About the capsule. I don’t remember exactly, perhaps Yu. I. Mukhin wrote about this. I will only add that it was in April 1970, when Apollo 13 was flying (allegedly).
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk April 10 2016 17: 07
          +2
          Here is the same capsule. The picture shows the moment of transmission to the Americans. You can still read about it on the website www. manonmoon.ru
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 10 2016 20: 06
            0
            And here are the details of this photo
            http://kolamap.ru/arh/nasa.html drinks
      2. Erg
        Erg April 11 2016 09: 51
        +1
        On September 8, 1970 ours handed over to the Amers their "descent vehicle", caught (without a crew) by our fishermen. In Murmansk, Hungarian journalists filmed this fact. wink
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 11 2016 14: 08
          0
          Read my link there for details drinks
  15. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 07
    0
    "Very quickly in the USA they realized that they would not be able to organize a demonstration manned expedition to the moon either until 2020 or until 2040. They cannot" - And then suddenly the SLS program appeared, which had already entered the home stretch and it turned out that the flight in the next 15 years was more than possible.
    1. adept666
      adept666 3 May 2016 14: 50
      0
      And then suddenly the SLS program appeared which reached the home stretch
      It has not yet been released ... it has been operating since 2011 and the first test flight in 2017-2018.
      and it turned out that the flight in the next 15 years is more than possible.
      Seriously? Well, let's compare with Apollo? The carrier program started in the years 62-63, the first flight in the 67th, i.e. ~ 5 years. 69th, this launch vehicle is already launching Apollo 11 to the moon. Only 2 years of difference, this is despite the fact that immediately after the emergency launch, Apollo 6 begins manned flights (originally, of course, of course), on the 5th launch of a rocket, fly around the Moon and immediately two landings on it and this is all in the 69th, density missions are simply amazing. Now the level of technology development is not the 62nd year, metallurgy / materials science has taken a long step forward, design and construction systems are heaven and earth with what it was - CAD + supercomputer, etc. NASA’s budget has grown several times over what it was. And what do we see? On a new rocket, a gas generator from F-1? On December 5, 2014, Orion flew into space for the first time, and what I liked was:
      NASA spokesman said that the high level of radiation did not affect the operation of the computer systems of the ship - one of the key issues that we planned to find out with a test flight.
      Prior to this, they flew 7 times on another ship and didn’t figure out anything. They immediately sent people to the moon, who were under radiation for 10 days, and then radiation was measured as a key issue.
  16. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 27
    +2
    No one flew where.
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 30
    +1
    They all lie - it was all on earth
  18. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 37
    +2
    It's all hollywood
  19. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 10 2016 16: 45
    0
    "This is a deception - there even the rays of light somehow break, the traces are not imprinted so, the shadows do not fall correctly, the flag is waving itself and in general the astronauts are somehow strange." - Yu. And Mukhin.
  20. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 10 2016 16: 49
    0
    Sooner or later, humanity will have to moderate its ambitions if it does not want to destroy life on Earth.
    Flights to space also have a flip side.
    Near-Earth space is littered with tens of thousands of pieces of iron that will soon fall on our heads.
    Large areas are contaminated with poisonous rocket fuel as a result of disasters.
    Space objects are drowned in the ocean, ultimately poisoning a person ...
    Will the achievements of the space industry outweigh the harm that it causes the cradle of life in the universe - the Earth?
  21. aiw
    aiw April 10 2016 17: 30
    +3
    We can only recommend to the afftor not to forget to ground his cap of foil - otherwise it does not work. Proven by Tesla!

    It’s not even surprising to me where such articles come from, but where such articles have so many advantages ... fool
    1. wanderer
      wanderer April 10 2016 18: 11
      +4
      aiw - if I could give you 10+, it is amazing that someone else is trying to comment on this nonsense.
  22. Old26
    Old26 April 10 2016 19: 44
    +3
    Quote: 16112014nk
    Were, were not the United States on the moon ... As I read it in some of the media: there was such a case. After splashdown the lunar capsule of one of the "Apollo", due to its deviation from the splashdown site, it was the first to catch it by the ships of the USSR Navy. To the surprise of the sailors, it was empty. When the US ships arrived, they gave it to the Americans. No explanation followed. There is a good film for thought on this topic - "Capricorn - 1". Filmed, by the way, in Hollywood.
    And I will add more. There are pictures of "Lunakhod" on the lunar surface. And there are no pictures with Apollo lunar modules on the Moon.

    You have mixed everything. This is not your fault, but your trouble. To believe such "specialists" as Mukhin and Popov is not to respect yourself. The editor of a small newspaper who knows absolutely everything and writes "investigative novels" (in 20 years, almost 80 investigative novels are cool). Knows absolutely everything, even that which a priori could not have access to. Come on, to hell with him, with Mukhin. The question is somewhat different.
    1. Descent vehicles NEVER splashed in the Atlantic
    2. Separation of SA occurs at such a height that if they enter the atmosphere without TK, they will burn out. And the fact that ours was caught is an ordinary GVM, designed to develop ways to lift aboard a ship. It was made 7 or 8 pieces. There was such a capsule in Japan ...


    Quote: 16112014nk
    Here is the same capsule. The picture shows the moment of transmission to the Americans. You can still read about it on the website www. manonmoon.ru


    Quote: 16112014nk
    Here is a snapshot of Lunokhod. About the capsule. I don’t remember exactly, perhaps Yu. I. Mukhin wrote about this. I will only add that it was in April 1970, when Apollo 13 was flying (allegedly).

    As proof of the "truth" of Mukhin, you use the same conspiracy adept as Popov ....
    1. Idiot
      Idiot April 14 2016 12: 59
      0
      For example, Yu. Mukhin very convincingly proved, in his investigation "Katyn detective", the fact of the killing of captured Polish officers by the Germans. If he hadn't written anything else, he would have been worthy of respect for that. However, beads are not thrown in front of pigs.
    2. Idiot
      Idiot April 14 2016 12: 59
      0
      For example, Yu. Mukhin very convincingly proved, in his investigation "Katyn detective", the fact of the killing of captured Polish officers by the Germans. If he hadn't written anything else, he would have been worthy of respect for that. However, beads are not thrown in front of pigs.
  23. lubesky
    lubesky April 10 2016 23: 56
    +4
    I personally have always been sympathetic to the idea that the Americans were not on the moon and this is all a production ... but I remember just recently all of us respected GDP, having unlimited access to state secrets of the highest level of secrecy, live on the air once and for all in this thread I put an end to - “I assure you, the Americans really were there, we checked everything, it’s true, it’s time to close this question. Personally,“ we ”(I thought who we are?) closed this question for ourselves a long time ago, back at the end of 70 -h - said Vladimir Vladimirovich.
    I’ll also tell you, in 2014, the Chinese flew around the moon and testified to the whole world that there are traces of the Apollo mission and the filming of their satellite is in the public domain of the space agencies of China and NASA. it seems the guys closed the question, but I still dream at night about the connection between the fall of the Chinese stock market and the truth that the Chinese saw on the record of their companion before transmitting it to video editors in California ... Maybe this is our disbelief - it's just a reluctance to admit bitterly that they it still succeeded, but we don’t ??? Oh, and yet I hope it was a twentieth-century scam ...
    1. Erg
      Erg April 11 2016 09: 59
      +2
      You simplify the situation. Unfortunately, science is not separable from politics ... hi
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 11 2016 11: 14
        +1
        I also hope that it was a scam. The words about the words of VVP practically persuaded me to give up this hope. VVP can joke and scoff, but YES --- he has this "yes", for real.
  24. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 11 2016 07: 18
    +1
    people .. the progress has stopped back in the 60s of the last century! well, understand .. do not give further ARTificially develop!
  25. Russian dream
    Russian dream April 11 2016 08: 11
    -1
    The Military Review in all seriousness publishes authors claiming that the Americans were not on the moon. The publication is slipping to the level of "News of the n-district"
  26. Old26
    Old26 April 11 2016 08: 53
    0
    Actually, the history of space exploration, the history of competition in exploration is still waiting for its author. In reality, after all, two huge countries, two powers went what is called "head to head." Somewhere the first were the Americans, somewhere we were. There were failures and sacrifices (on both sides). This, after all, once could not have been, that some have continuous successes and victories, while others have continuous failures. It's just that we often had everything under the cover of secrecy. And there was a false feeling that we were ahead of the rest of the planet. And it is necessary to approach the consideration of such issues very, very carefully, filtering information not according to the ideological principle, but in reality.

    And about failures ... Remember the words of the main character of the film "The Taming of Fire" Bashkirtsev in the cafeteria at Baikonur, where he said the following:
    "If only the Americans will succeed, Atlases can explode at the start, but we have peace and quiet. No, they explode here too. They take it and explode. The process of cognition is going on, and nothing can accelerate it."

    Therefore, it is worth relying on facts, and not on the speculations of "conspiracy theorists." Such have always been, are and will be
  27. Engineer
    Engineer April 11 2016 09: 04
    +4
    Even before the flight of Apollo 11, the Americans accepted applications from scientific organizations of the countries of the world for obtaining samples of lunar soil. These are dozens of countries, not just Europeans and Japanese. And they received it in the order of applications. For obvious political reasons, the Soviet Union did not do this until it received its soil samples. The Siberian Center for Synchrotron and Terahertz Radiation investigated the ground from the 11th, 12th, 14th and 15th Apollo missions! Where did he come from if the Americans did not fly to the moon? Or are they so stupid that they studied fake soil? Because statements that the Americans were not on the moon, that Saturn 5 was a sham, that the F-1 was not able to put such a heavy rocket into orbit, and so on, was nonsense. Maybe the Apollo Union is still fiction? So does the Union cover the American scam?
  28. Old26
    Old26 April 11 2016 20: 12
    +1
    Quote: Engineer
    The Siberian Center for Synchrotron and Terahertz Radiation investigated the ground from the 11th, 12th, 14th and 15th Apollo missions!

    Also, GEOKHI them. Vernadsky. The result of the research was a monograph on the comparative characteristics of the lunar soil delivered by our lunar and "Apollo"

    Quote: Engineer
    Because statements that the Americans were not on the moon, that Saturn 5 was a sham, that the F-1 was not able to put such a heavy rocket into orbit, and so on, was nonsense. Maybe the Apollo Union is still fiction? So does the Union cover the American scam?

    But this is easier and more convenient. BELIEVE in rumors, in fables, in conspiracy theories. Knowledge is not necessary, enough FAITH
  29. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 26 June 2016 12: 11
    0
    Probe 5 and Probe 6 are essentially emergency ships - the first one did not enter the entrance corridor (orientation sensor failure) and fell to the ground along a ballistic trajectory, with overloads of 20g, which would lead to severe injuries to the astronauts.

    The second - depressurized to 380 mm. R. with. (and the astronauts were supposed to fly without spacesuits), and then, when separating the compartments, even up to 50 mm. R. with. Moreover, due to depressurization and corona discharge, the radio altimeter triggered the soft landing system at an improper height. The parachute was shot at high altitude and the fate of the astronauts would be absolutely similar to the fate of Komarov.

    And it’s especially fun that the Amertians performed a proper analysis of the lunar soil in the summer of 1969, and the Moon - 16 flew in the autumn of 70; how did they guess the composition? wassat

    And where did the traces from the Amerian moon rovers come from on the moon? and landing steps? and moon rovers themselves? and ALSEPs? wassat

    The diameter of the landing compartment without supports is about 6 meters. How did they throw him there? What rocket if Saturn 5 wasn’t? wassat

    Patriotism is a good thing, but there is no need to become like Mukhin, who is not a snout in this matter.

    The USSR is a great cosmic power, but not as a result of belittling the real achievements of Amers, but as a result of its own achievements !!!
  30. sirgunnyo
    sirgunnyo 5 December 2016 02: 20
    0
    An ordinary madhouse - "did not fly." REN_TV