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Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane

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Today we are publishing the second part of our “sensational” story about corruption in the United States. Read Rogers - and the world will never be the same!


Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane


If the first part dealt with the banking mafia, which deals with the "development" of trillions of dollars, in this part the conversation will be about the military-industrial mafia. And in this area, the scale of cuts and kickbacks, though slightly inferior to banking, but not much.

There are so many major corruption cases in the US military-industrial complex that it is even difficult to decide where to start. Here and became the legendary mastering of budgets when creating the BMN M2 Bradley, in which Hollywood even shot the Pentagon Wars feature film. And the development of various types of "weapons future ”, which as a result turned out to be useless slag. And a bunch of weapons, which is an order of magnitude greater than the price of foreign counterparts (often yielding to them in characteristics). And unrealistically expensive (and equally stupid) destroyers of the Zamvolt class. And, of course, the main corruption project of the 21st century is the “universal” F-35 fighter, for the development of which a record amount of funds has already been spent, but it still doesn’t fly.

That's not counting the dozens of "small" DARPA projects, the development of each of which was unsuccessfully spent "only" on 3-5 billions of dollars. At the exit, only “ingenious discoveries” were obtained, such as the fact that the most repulsive smell is the smell of burning excrement (as any schoolchild knows about).

But the leader in cuts and rollbacks today, of course, is the flightless aircraft F-35 from LockheedMartin. 1,3 trillions of dollars have already been spent on its development (corruption? Never heard of it!), But so far this trough refuses to fly normally and remains, according to an authoritative publication "TheWeek", "Total disaster."

The F-35’s fifth generation undershoot concedes even the fourth-generation Su-35 in the majority of parameters to the Russian aircraft, not to mention the promising T-50. And if the Russian counterparts easily show the speed without a speed in 2 of Mach and higher, then there are big doubts in the supersonic status of the F-35 (despite the oath assurances of its chief designer).

In addition, by recognition American test pilots, it is not adapted to the dogfight at all, and significant software problems postpone its launch into the series for at least another year.

Its conditional “invisibility” is also possible only under the condition that it will not carry any mounted weapons, which makes such flights virtually meaningless. In addition, the new generation of optical detection equipment with increased accuracy and sensitivity comes into service with the Russian videoconferencing system, which completely eliminates this status.

The last argument that remains with the defenders of this bucket, supposedly saying “F-35 is capable of destroying opponents in advance, before approaching the maneuvering battlefield”, breaks about the performance characteristics of Russian air-to-air missiles. The Soviet / Russian P-37 Strela is capable of hitting targets over a distance of more than 300 km, the Americans have no comparable analogues today (the closest analogue of AIM-47 "Falcon" can shoot no more than 200 km). Moreover, the development of a new Russian KS-172 rocket, which will have an even greater radius of destruction, is now being completed.

The officially unrecognized failure of the F-35 development is confirmed by the fact that the Pentagon resumed orders for the outdated F-16 (developed in the seventies of the last century).

So it turns out that 1,3 trillions of dollars are released into the tube, but there is no one to blame. Corruption in the USA? Can not be!

All liberals and zapofofilam close your eyes and ears and do not read Rogers, otherwise your little illusory world will never be the same.
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  1. The black
    The black April 8 2016 18: 20
    +25
    Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane
    Well, they slightly overpaid wassat
    1. Sharky
      Sharky April 8 2016 18: 26
      +42
      But who cares how much it costs, because you just need to turn on the machine and print more greenery. They do not pay for development with gold, but with a "printer" scheme, you can drag out an unsuccessful project for a long time ... We cannot afford this, therefore we invest more work and intelligence so that the answer would be tough and relatively inexpensive.
      1. shibi
        shibi April 8 2016 18: 32
        +24
        Yes, the Americans are not going to fight with anyone for real.
        Therefore, they rivet all crap in order to steal more greens.
        and their partners hang noodles on their ears that they will protect everyone.
        And they push them their non-fighting crap.
        1. Volgobalt
          Volgobalt April 8 2016 22: 19
          +16
          To really fight, you must be able to do it! In the entire history of pendosia, they fought the only time with a worthy adversary - Vietnam, so they barely took their feet. In the Second World War, as dirty jackals rushed to snatch a piece from Germany, they managed to rake there! Well, there were no more even approximately equal opponents.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 9 2016 00: 09
            +17
            I can’t even imagine what would happen if the Germans put parts of the 1941 style in the Ardennes and in which damn they would have rolled the Americans ... It has long been known that the Wehrmacht practically didn’t fight in the West by the 1944 year, there’s practically nothing for it was to fight, but even in those conditions they managed to maw the withers of the amers
          2. Azitral
            Azitral April 11 2016 13: 39
            -1
            "... they fought for the only time against a worthy enemy - Vietnam ..."
            I understand your dislike, but still you have to be objective: Japanese, Germans.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 11 2016 14: 14
              +3
              Quote: Azitral
              I understand your dislike, but still you have to be objective: Japanese, Germans.

              laughing Let's be objective - both the Japanese and Germans stuck with them at the most do not indulge, the only thing is:
              The Japanese would not have drawn a long and long war due to limited resources (lack of oil / mob, metal, sulfur) and the actual nuclear bombing, but they did a good job at their accuracy and kept the amers on maintenance for Faberge for several years.
              The Germans, when they began to really give the Auleans with Britons on the Western Front, Churchill asked for help from Stalin, before that they fought with small military units, consisting mainly of cowardly Italians, Hungarians, Romanians and other European rabble, stupidly bombed cities with civilian. The main German force was ground by the millstones of the USSR KA.
        2. WKS
          WKS April 9 2016 11: 28
          +6
          But the BBC today published a laudatory article about this product of the American military-industrial complex, where
          The U.S. Air Force general claims the F-35 will keep Russia at a glance. Apparently the general is aware that the F-35 will not be able to fight.
          1. clidon
            clidon April 9 2016 11: 48
            -2
            So the plane is actually very good, it can turn out. This is not to mention the fact that more than one and a half hundred of them were released.
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 49
              -3
              So it seems that it’s not even a very bad one so far ... and why have so many pieces been released? Well, besides what money is needed?
              1. clidon
                clidon April 9 2016 18: 40
                0
                And why do they produce military aircraft?
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 9 2016 18: 56
                  0
                  Why release the bad ones?
                  1. clidon
                    clidon April 9 2016 19: 43
                    0
                    Why are the bad ones?
                    1. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 10 2016 06: 18
                      0
                      Google "Rogers Papers: $ XNUMX Trillion for a Paper Plane."
                      1. clidon
                        clidon April 10 2016 08: 16
                        0
                        It’s just written on the fence.
                      2. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 10 2016 09: 04
                        0
                        Did you read the article during the breaks at all?
                      3. clidon
                        clidon April 10 2016 11: 18
                        -4
                        Was reading. An author who does not even know how much is spent on the F-35 program is of little interest to me.
                      4. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 10 2016 12: 14
                        0
                        Maybe on the contrary, the financial part of the question is better known to him?
                      5. clidon
                        clidon April 10 2016 19: 35
                        0
                        Why did it happen?
                      6. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 11 2016 05: 21
                        0
                        He has some kind of English last name, don’t you?
                      7. clidon
                        clidon April 11 2016 19: 06
                        0
                        And what do the English letters in the name give +10 to knowledge?
                        I also have them in a nickname. )
                      8. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 12 2016 12: 14
                        0
                        Perhaps to citizenship, it is already to financial knowledge in this program
                      9. clidon
                        clidon April 12 2016 18: 05
                        0
                        And what is his citizenship?
                      10. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 12 2016 19: 08
                        0
                        A journalist is all the more obliged to answer. There may even be several.
                      11. clidon
                        clidon April 12 2016 20: 44
                        0
                        What and who must answer the journalist?
                      12. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 03: 51
                        0
                        In the unclassified part, they are obliged to answer even just to a citizen, those who spend his money as a taxpayer.
                      13. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 15: 49
                        0
                        So is he "even a citizen" or a journalist? Which country?
                      14. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 17: 19
                        0
                        Not a journalist and is this a pseudonym?
                      15. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 19: 35
                        0
                        So the question seemed to be to you. ) Do not know?
                      16. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 20: 44
                        0
                        Well, enlighten me, although I'm more interested in what you "know" about the unclassified malfunction of the Su-27, of which there were much less of them than with the MiG-29.
                        Can he still take the name and citizenship of his wife?
                      17. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 22: 20
                        0
                        For me it is enough "They did not take into service until all the shortcomings were eliminated."
                        Maybe he’s generally a monkey who was taught to write?
                      18. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 14 2016 06: 29
                        0
                        Until they got what they wanted, and they were not told to do it ... Not a single Su-27 then crashed? MiG-29 with a much larger number of deficiencies in weapons as it was adopted, then cracked while standing on the ground.
                        Ask him.
                      19. clidon
                        clidon April 14 2016 16: 52
                        0
                        I repeat the last time. On the basis of what are such peppy statements?
                        MiG-29 was adopted even before perestroika. So maybe we won the war with the Germans because the British were crazy about Stalin? Compared to you, even Ren-TV is resting.
                      20. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 05: 53
                        0
                        Based on what do you have? REN TV? In perestroika, they began to take bribes only better.
                        On the basis of the fact that the English did not get on well with Schmiklgruber. With some of your American money and with all of Europe, he could not cope with Soviet Russia.
                      21. clidon
                        clidon April 15 2016 20: 02
                        0
                        I already need to work out some standard phrase.
                        Like "1 Scraptor spent". )
                        There is nothing to discuss here either.
                      22. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 20: 58
                        0
                        In perestroika, they began to take less bribes, and almost everything began to be done for the good of the country?
                        You almost write them alone ...
                      23. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 15 2016 20: 58
                        0
                        In perestroika, they began to take less bribes, and almost everything began to be done for the good of the country?
                        You almost write them alone ...
  2. Foofighter
    Foofighter April 11 2016 05: 21
    0
    He has some kind of English last name, don’t you?
  • onega67
    onega67 April 9 2016 12: 00
    0
    He said everything correctly! Only one view is! And nothing more! And what else to fight?
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 11 2016 10: 55
      -1
      it all depends on the goals set, and they are clearly not about fighting the Russian Federation.

      And if the Russian counterparts easily show the afterburning speed of Mach 2 and above

      Of course, I could be wrong, but this is nonsense!
      Our aircraft can’t fly 2M without afterburner.
      When the product 30 for PAK FA will go into series and will be put on the aircraft, then the t-50 will be able to develop speed without afterburner above the speed of sound, but not 2 times.
      And I agree with the fact that the F-35 is much more ready than our PAK FA.
      The penguin has problems with the BIUS algorithms, structural integrity, etc., but in general the system is working. We only work out the most important nodes, without which the system itself is, in principle, not effective.
      1. alexvmar
        alexvmar April 11 2016 13: 52
        -1
        Already the current Su-35s reach supersonic sound without afterburner. On AL-41F1S engines.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 12 2016 15: 39
          0
          Quote: alexvmar
          the current Su-35s reach supersonic sound without afterburner.

          Yes, I don’t argue that they can, but not 2M!
  • mihasik
    mihasik April 9 2016 23: 03
    +1
    Quote: wks
    U.S. Air Force general claims F-35 will keep Russia at bay

    Or maybe something like that?
  • yehat
    yehat April 10 2016 10: 26
    +3
    the article is just a stupid stuffing on the fan.
    1. F35 fly. good or bad but fly
    2. Missiles: look at the nomenclature of Americans carefully:
    they now have AA missiles for distances of 0.5 - 180 km
    their new melee rocket turned out to be successful - they took ours as a basis and did a little better. So dogfight is not as simple as it seems to many.
    The main investment of Americans in rockets for distances of 30..60 km and I am not an expert, but I guess that we and they have an excellent set of missiles there. At a great distance they have the Phoenix. In this part, we now have a significant advantage, BUT:
    how do you spot at a distance of 150 km F35 ??? even if he has a suspension under his belly that increases reflection, from this distance he is little threatened.
    3. Americans will sooner or later solve problems with software. As it was with the AEGIS system.
    But we still have nothing of the kind.
    4. Do not ignore his new chips.

    This is me to the fact that the F-35 should be taken seriously, and not writing down a patriotic nonsense. It is hoped that T50 will twist Aki in the 41st and 16 will twist Messer you can. But this is counterproductive. It’s better to make sure that the T50 has more progress.
    1. JJ2016
      JJ2016 April 11 2016 12: 25
      -1
      I look at the comments of the local "marshals" and I understand that by "shrieking" and admiring the "Supreme" - the fastest way to this!)))
    2. viktorR
      viktorR April 11 2016 12: 36
      +1
      After "their Phoenix" ceased to take seriously what was written. Phoenix sank into oblivion along with the f-14.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg April 8 2016 19: 05
    +11
    Who cares how much it costs, because you just need to turn on the machine and print more greens.


    The difference is that we (actually like others) buy these green candy wrappers (and for real goods), and they print them in the quantities they need!
  • PKK
    PKK April 8 2016 19: 51
    +4
    They print 700 million a day, everyone can calculate how many days of the printing press it took to pay the 000th. How did you come and go .....
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 8 2016 20: 03
      +5
      Quote: PKK
      Print 700 million a day,

      They don’t even need to print, now non-cash payments prevail. Just type in the amount on your computer keyboard and that’s it ...
      1. aktanir
        aktanir April 8 2016 21: 27
        +1
        Americans can afford both bread and circuses, this is not our economy, so all the triumph over their corruption and imperfections is untenable! want, they will come up with something "brilliant" again, a bridge to the moon, for example. Their grandmother, why not?
  • Kronos07
    Kronos07 April 8 2016 20: 29
    -29%
    in the US people work more than any other country in the world
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 8 2016 21: 06
      +13
      Quote: Kronos07
      in the US people work more than any other country in the world

      C'mon, Japan has more workaholics than anywhere else. How many stories I read they are given a vacation of 2 or 3 weeks, and after a week he goes to work, they say he can no longer without work, he needs to urgently work.
      A good example is Germany, a country where without fanatical workaholism, both quality and technology and the economy are on top.
      In the USA, by the way, a lot of people work after 60 years to have a normal pension and earn extra money. Is it normal? For example, I believe that at age 60, anyone should have a decent retirement, so that you can go on a well-deserved rest, and not plow for years to retire.
      1. Kronos07
        Kronos07 April 8 2016 21: 55
        -17%
        Americans work more than anyone in industrialized countries.
        More than English, more than French, much more than Germans and Norwegians. Even, more recently, more than the Japanese.
        And Americans take less vacation, work more days, and retire later, too.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 8 2016 22: 14
          +9
          Quote: Kronos07
          And Americans take less vacation, work more days, and retire later, too.

          This is because of loans a vicious circle, an institute on credit, housing on a mortgage, a car on credit, some kind of household appliances on credit, in total they need a lot of money for loan installments per month. Hence, they work like draft horses.
          Quote: Kronos07
          More than English

          In England, it seems like a four-day work week.
          Quote: Kronos07
          and Norwegians.

          Norwegians seem to have the highest standard of living. Despite the fact that you say they work less than in the United States.
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian April 10 2016 02: 31
            -1
            The British work on average the most in the EU - 55 hours a week. And the work week is here five days.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 11 2016 14: 21
              0
              Quote: Anglorussian
              The British work on average the most in the EU - 55 hours a week. And the work week is here five days.

              what Is it an average of 11 hours a day? not too much for the EU?
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian April 12 2016 01: 19
                0
                This is if you consider full-time, fully employed.
            2. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian April 11 2016 22: 41
              0
              Many work 6 or even 7 days with processing. And 9-10 hours a day, if not the norm, then not a deviation.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 22: 17
          +5
          Kronos, answer, how many unemployed are there in the USA?
          1. Kronos07
            Kronos07 April 9 2016 00: 42
            -4
            Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
            2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
            2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
            2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3
            2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
            2010 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.8 9.3
            2011 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.8 8.6 8.5
            2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.9
            2013 8.0 7.7 7.5 7.6 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.3 7.3 7.2 6.9 6.7
            2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.2 6.2 6.1 6.2 6.2 6.0 5.7 5.8 5.6
            2015 5.7 5.5 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.0
            2016
          2. Kronos07
            Kronos07 April 9 2016 00: 45
            -3
            US unemployment rate fell below 5 ... how about Russia?
          3. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 56
            +1
            Something removed the American ... and we don’t know.

            There are no unemployed people in the United States, even from Mexico laughing
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        3. dvina71
          dvina71 April 8 2016 22: 53
          +4
          Quote: Kronos07
          Americans work more than anyone in industrialized countries.
          More than English, more than French, much more than Germans and Norwegians. Even, more recently, more than the Japanese.
          And Americans take less vacation, work more days, and retire later, too.

          Yes .. yes .. right at times more.)))
          You brought a funny picture ...
          According to estimates by the International Energy Agency (IEA), oil production in 2012 amounted to 544 million tons in Saudi Arabia (or 11,1 million barrels per day at 1 barrel equal to ≈0,1347 tons of oil), in Russia - 520 million tons (or 10,6 million barrels per day), in the USA - 387 million tons (or 7,9 million barrels per day), in China - 206 million tons, in Iran - 186 million tons, in Canada - 182 million tons, in the UAE - 163 million tons, in Venezuela - 162 million tons, in Kuwait - 152 million tons, in Iraq - 148 million tons

          The structure of the US economy has all the features of a post-industrial society, 79,4% of US GDP is services, healthcare, education, science, trade, finance, transport, and communications are the leaders here.
          1. Kronos07
            Kronos07 April 9 2016 00: 54
            -6
            The United States is the second largest producer in the world.
        4. All-seeing
          All-seeing April 9 2016 05: 57
          0
          I would be ready to agree that they work the most in the world, but then you would have to agree that corruption blooms in their hearts ...
      2. onega67
        onega67 April 9 2016 12: 03
        0
        Saving the drowning man’s handiwork! Hope for the state, and tie the camel!
    2. 34 region
      34 region April 8 2016 21: 39
      +6
      Kronos07! 20.29. An interesting map. Calm regions where they produce electronics. Where raw materials are extracted, there are conflicts. In general, conflicts are a wonderful thing. With them, the population is impoverished and raw materials become even cheaper. The Saudis still live well. But apparently not bad yet. All around us is calm only on the Mongol-Chinese border.
    3. your1970
      your1970 April 9 2016 00: 14
      +2
      judging by the map, they churn out electronics - meanwhile, few of those present have come across in life with electronics produced in the United States - mostly "Maid in China" or "Maid in PRS". Is that really what the US produces from electronics?
      1. Skiff_spb
        Skiff_spb April 9 2016 00: 33
        +1
        Top.
        No seriously. If you need consumer goods - China. If you need something top-end, it’s not surprising - not even Japan. States

        Of the last thing I bought from them - Headplay video glasses, another 5-7 years ago. Then the Pixim Seawolf camera, which until now gives excellent quality when flying directly in the sun, unlike all kinds of sharps and other sleepyheads.

        The same GoPro, how many have tried everything, but no, there is no better quality. For the earth, it’s all the same, but in flight when maneuvering the plane, only she was able to give decent quality, especially, again, at sunset. When it’s light above and dark below.
      2. Kronos07
        Kronos07 April 9 2016 00: 38
        -2
        In 2012, shipments from the US manufacturing sector amounted to $ 5.7 trillion.
      3. Kronos07
        Kronos07 April 9 2016 01: 03
        -2
        SpaceX Announces First Successful Landing of the Rocket's Lower Stage on an Offshore Platform
      4. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 9 2016 08: 03
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        Is this really what the USA is releasing from electronics?

        For example, a server, for example, Supermicro
  • karpah
    karpah April 8 2016 20: 52
    +11
    I made several important conclusions: the F-35 was a wunderwafer and cut the dough, the SU-35 was at least no worse than the F-22, but compared to the T-50, everything else sucks.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 8 2016 21: 08
      +2
      Quote: karpah
      F-35 - Wunderwafel and dough cut,

      This is due to the fact that the defense companies in the United States on free bread, how much money they ask for and will give. So they impudently winding up the price tags for weapons.
      1. 34 region
        34 region April 8 2016 21: 49
        +1
        Air Force reserve stock! 21.08. They have free bread due to lack of competition. Plus the imposition of products on their allies. Good politics. A single standard is also a barrier to other products. Well done! Well defended your private business! Only one small detail. How will their products behave in contact with ours? In terms of efficiency, quality, costs. In a war with a technologically weak opponent, they seem to have an edge. And with an equal in technology? Although illiterate Bedouins manage to disable their equipment!
        1. Kronos07
          Kronos07 April 8 2016 22: 00
          -5
          lack of competition?
          1. Kronos07
            Kronos07 April 8 2016 22: 07
            -4
            drinks ..........
          2. 34 region
            34 region April 8 2016 22: 19
            +2
            Kronos07! 22.00 p.m. Do they have competitors? I understand this plane in itself, if about him. And in the supply of weapons they (the United States) are the first. Which is not surprising given the elves' collectivization. And in all groups they are the main ones. And by plane. I am not an aviation specialist. But as I understand it, he is still on his own. Through the government, they gave themselves the task of development. TTX competitors like no. Who should be considered a competitor, countries of NATO or Russia? Or is there a competitor to this aircraft in the USA itself?
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 21
              -1
              JSF programs. The x-35 won and became the F-35, which is under development right now.
          3. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 8 2016 22: 44
            0
            contract match
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 25
              +1
              x-36 Mcdonnell Douglas was 3rd in this race for the contract hi
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 9 2016 02: 33
                +2
                there was no race for the contract, there was an attempt to create its appearance ... the fact that the X-32 is even worse than the X-35 is clear even to scouts
                1. Kronos07
                  Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 53
                  0
                  Jsf contest


                  1) McDonnell Douglas offered the aircraft powered by heating a turbofan, with a remote gas fan drive to increase lift in STOVL mode. General Electric later made a ground-based demonstration of this engine configuration.

                  2) Aircraft Northrop Grumman shown auxiliary lift engine increasing dry thrust from a reheated turbofan equipped with a pair of thrust vector nozzles.

                  3) Lockheed Martin aircraft concept is used re-heated turbofan with increased thrust with remote drive from the shaft of the lifting fan. This engine configuration was ultimately led to the F135-PW-600, which powers the F-35B JSF production aircraft.

                  4) Boeing decided against increasing traction. They proposed an aircraft powered by a turbofan heater, which can be changed (in STOVL mode) to a direct lift engine with a pair of thrust vector nozzles located near the aircraft in the center of gravity system. This led to the F119-PW-614S, which is powered by the X-32B JSF demonstrator.

                  Two prototype development contracts were awarded on November 16, 1996, one from each by Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Each firm will produce two aircraft for demonstration of conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL), carrier takeoff and landing (CV version), and short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL). McDonnell Douglas 'bid was rejected in part due to the complexity of its design. [11] Lockheed Martin and Boeing were each given $ 750 million to develop the demonstrators' concept and determine the preferred Weapon System Concept (PWSC). The purpose of this funding limit was to prevent one or both contractors bankrupt themselves in trying to win such an important contract. hi
                  1. Foofighter
                    Foofighter April 9 2016 05: 21
                    +1
                    What else have they told you? The X-35 was bought together with a number of specialists in post-Soviet Russia in 1992 for half a million greens (at the same time the Su-27 was tested at the base in Virginia, and whatnot). Then Lockheed began, by agreement with Boeing, to arrange all sorts of competitions in order to master one and a half trillion greens ... The "alternative" X-32 was based on the English scheme with which they had broken off before ...
        2. Kronos07
          Kronos07 April 8 2016 22: 06
          -2
          lack of competition hi
          1. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 02
            +2
            so we chose the one that is worse ...
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 28
              0
              which was cheaper.
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 9 2016 02: 36
                0
                in denial to Northrop was not such a wording ...

                well, would choose to continue to do further F-117 laughing
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        3. Lincoln
          Lincoln April 12 2016 02: 37
          -1
          And what
          Quote: Region 34
          They have free bread due to lack of competition. Plus the imposition of products on their allies. Good politics. A single standard is also a barrier to other products. Well done! Well defended your private business! Only one small detail. How will their products behave in contact with ours?

          It's good to say this, but what is so special about "our" products? Well, except for beautiful photos with super-maneuverability without weapons with empty tanks?
          As for the protection of products, the manufacturer Sukhoi remained essentially a monopolist, the prices for su35 are already approaching the "golden" phantoms, but let's talk further.
          1. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 12 2016 18: 26
            0
            This does not affect over-maneuverability, other planes also do not come up with a full refueling.
            But what about the monopoly of IMI and Lockheed in the USA and Israel?
    2. Asadullah
      Asadullah April 8 2016 21: 36
      +4
      I made several important conclusions: the F-35 was a wunderwafer and cut the dough, the SU-35 was at least no worse than the F-22, but compared to the T-50, everything else sucks


      Such a moment, to draw conclusions in theory, means Sisyphean labor, for it can be theoretically and objectively long theorized, essentially useless. Conclusions in practice - pose a fact. Practice for today, herring tears. Saw dough in the USA looks a bit different than we imagine. First of all, the amount of any transaction includes expenses on the lobby, which is absolutely legal in the United States, which can make a plane three times more expensive. It is this component that makes the product weaker than claimed. First of all, due to the lack of competition in the US market itself, the spheres are divided. Staked like plots at a mine. Not a single lobbying company wants to push a competitor. In this case, the Mask Corporation would already produce very effective and modern weapons. But his life is dear to him, his dream of space. It is in this weakness, and not in the cut and low qualities of the product. If all the money went to the plane, then this would be a very successful project.
    3. Hammer
      Hammer April 9 2016 06: 34
      +1
      Quote: karpah
      I made several important conclusions: the F-35 was a wunderwafer and cut the dough, the SU-35 was at least no worse than the F-22, but compared to the T-50, everything else sucks.


      F-35 is not a child prodigy, but for the received TTX it turns out that this is a dough cut. Because that the outcome was far from what was planned - it was clear several years ago, and there is still no way to see the end and the edge in putting this device into service. Yes, if all (or most) of the military’s complaints are eliminated as soon as possible, then all exactly fight the value of this aircraft is in doubt. No, in a war with some banana republic it will be of course level - lvl 90+ (but the latest models F-16, F-15, F-18 are more than enough for this). But in cases of conflict, let's say with China, then the question is ... But will it draw it? ...
      So it turns out that the F-35 is nothing more than a beaver cut.

      The Su-35 is worse than the F-22, and in duel situations it will most likely lose to the latter clean. But modern air combat is not a knightly fight of pilots of the First World War. This is primarily the integrated use of all types of weapons in the air - the Air Force, Air Defense, RTR, EW, etc.
      And in such conditions, the main advantage of the F-22 "invisibility" is likely to be leveled. And then the aerobatic properties of the aircraft itself and its weapons come to the fore. And in this regard, the Su-35 has no particular lag behind the F-22. And in some ways there are even advantages.

      As for the T-50, this is not a combat aircraft, but only a prototype. What will be his final appearance, when he goes into the series - time will tell. But the fact that it is embedded in it now and what it shows in tests gives hope to say that a production aircraft based on the T-50 platform will be in terms of the combination of characteristics, at least no worse than the F-22 and definitely better than the F-35. But up to this point it is still necessary to survive ...
    4. onega67
      onega67 April 9 2016 12: 05
      0
      Well, compared to the T-50, everything else sucks.
      Not a fact yet !!!! Well, there is hope!
  • vlade99
    vlade99 April 8 2016 21: 28
    0
    Quote: Sharky
    print more greens.

    It seems that, in reality, only the green printing press employees work well for them.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 8 2016 21: 45
      +1
      Quote: vlade99
      It seems that, in reality, only the green printing press employees work well for them.

      The dollar does not belong to the United States. The government takes a loan from the Fed ... for example, print us 1 million. The Fed replies: no problem, just return 1 million 200 thousand. That's such arithmetic.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS April 8 2016 21: 40
    +5
    Quote: Sharky
    Who cares how much it costs, because you just need to turn on the machine and print more greens.

    Any economist will tell you that there is a limit to "turning on the machine" for the economy of any country. You don't need to type a lot of cleverness, and then how to solve issues with hyper inflation, due to the fact that the money supply will be incommensurably more than the goods? rubbed into holes.
    1. 34 region
      34 region April 8 2016 22: 29
      +3
      Nexus! 21.40. With such a debt of the United States, there is no inflation in the country itself. And in theory it should be. Out of state dollars are withdrawn in the states themselves. But they support their economy by stimulating their production and exports. The states themselves apparently support a strictly agreed amount in the country. The rest is ruthlessly seized. It remains a mystery how, with a strictly defined amount, a business is enriched? By begging the population? By investing in enterprises or soap bubbles of funds? It is a pity that such questions are not covered in VO.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair April 11 2016 14: 33
      -1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Any economist will tell you that there is a limit to "turning on the machine" for the economy of any country. You don't need to type a lot of cleverness, and then how to solve issues with hyper inflation, due to the fact that the money supply will be incommensurably more than the goods? rubbed into holes.

      And why did you decide that all the printed money is spinning in the USA, the money goes to buy real resources outside the United States, to buy the leadership of other countries and protect US interests. Precedents are created for this money, the result of which is the development of new markets or the creation of unstable regions / regions where a lot of goods produced by Amer’s defense industry are needed, and this, in turn, new orders, new injections, the purchase of American money to buy all this.
  • Lex.
    Lex. April 9 2016 08: 33
    +1
    Well, the mace has also been refined for how many years
  • mihasik
    mihasik April 9 2016 22: 58
    0
    Quote: Sharky
    Who cares how much it costs, because you just need to turn on the machine and print more greens

    The main thing is that the cartridge does not end in the printer, otherwise the printer seems to be working, but how to print is so clean sheets).
  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant April 10 2016 09: 19
    0
    Today you don’t even have to turn on the printing press! Two mouse clicks and as many arbitrarily trilliard-sixillion dollars on the account! Business then!
  • shamil
    shamil April 10 2016 20: 39
    0
    It’s not possible to print so simply - inflation exists. We also have to knock out money from partners for a promising city ...
  • St Petrov
    St Petrov April 8 2016 18: 27
    +21
    Our (or maybe not ours) Gusian dzuzya will not agree with you. They are numb from this pepelats and are waiting for him to enter their arsenal.

    And in general, as you know, Gussian Dgug Dgugs do not deceive!

    oh, all (s)

    1. Altona
      Altona April 8 2016 19: 36
      +9
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      Our (or maybe not ours) Gusian dzuzya will not agree with you. They are numb from this pepelats and are waiting for him to enter their arsenal.

      And in general, as you know, Gussian Dgug Dgugs do not deceive!

      ----------------------------
      Her. AMERICAN PAGTNEGS, honest and not coGUMPiGovannye there. It will be a sugary, not having a shit ... laughing
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    3. AlexSK
      AlexSK April 8 2016 23: 22
      +6
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      And in general, as you know, Gussian Dgug Dgugs do not deceive!

      1. Avantageur
        Avantageur April 9 2016 00: 11
        +2
        Quote: AlexSK
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        And in general, as you know, Gussian Dgug Dgugs do not deceive!


        The organizer of the show is the Ural dumplings, the company Yellow Black and White Group, which in turn cooperates with the Ukrainian group 1 + 1, and Adin plus Adin belongs to Kalomoisky ... And it is believed that the co-owner of Yellow Black and White Group is this oligarch. .. And that's it, these moronic programs like: the last of the Magiks, the Ural dumplings, six frames, you give youth, cuisine, etc. etc. with STS, everything is interconnected, by this threat to our Russian society, by the threat of a sectarian pro-Western junta ... And these programs, they simply ridicule our everyday life, supplementing it with various kinds, propaganda of sex, vulgarity and outright stupidity, and you look and laugh, only you laugh at yourself, at your family, at Russian culture (this story does not apply to this story) and history ...


        1. AlexSK
          AlexSK April 9 2016 00: 46
          +1
          Quote: Avantageur
          And these programs, they simply make fun of our everyday life with you,

          Well, the taste and color as they say! But I’m wondering what kind of comedy program, and in which country doesn’t make fun of homework !?
          Quote: Avantageur
          and you look and laugh, only now you laugh at yourself, over your family, over Russian culture (does not apply to this plot above) and history ...

          In my opinion, you are overreaching, I would even say a replay.
          1. AlexSK
            AlexSK April 9 2016 01: 34
            +3
            In my opinion, for our society, especially for the younger generation, it’s not a comedy show, no matter how stupid it is, but what kind of education program our government is introducing into educational institutions and what graduates we get when it comes out is much more dangerous. This is really scary when the graduates do not know who Napoleon, Lenin is. When the Second World War began and when the Second World War. And no sketch show can affect a normal, educated, thinking, reading person by definition. I just didn’t see what kind of shows and homeland I didn’t begin to love less, and even less so for my family. So you didn’t start from that. And yes, I agree, as they say, "not all yogurts are equally useful." There is also pos..tina and s..ks. Such programs should not be available to children at all. Well, in addition to comedy programs, we have a pretty brain for people ... they’re advertising with the imposition of a lifestyle (wow ... wah), this is much sadder.
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          2. Avantageur
            Avantageur April 9 2016 01: 37
            -2
            I would even say you replay.

            Not who, is not playing with you here ... And if you do not see (or maybe you haven’t seen everything yet) of the obvious, then don’t think that the others are "blind" ...


  • pilot8878
    pilot8878 April 8 2016 18: 41
    +7
    Quote: Black
    Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane
    Well, they slightly overpaid wassat

    The bad thing is that they already HAVE this bucket, and our T-50 still has not changed its status to "serial", the bad thing is that the T-50 still has serious problems with engines, before mass operation (which will also reveal its heap problems) as crawling to Beijing, and the enemy has ALREADY begun his flights on the iron, honing it himself, his weapons and identifying software errors. Even if they eventually abandon the operation of this aircraft (which in itself is unlikely), in the end they will have EXPERIENCE of mass operation, which we do not have YET. It's a shame to overcome the gap again. Therefore, there are not many reasons for shapkozakidatelstva.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich April 8 2016 19: 04
      +22
      Quote: pilot8878
      The bad thing is that they already HAVE this bucket, and our T-50 still has not changed its status to "serial", the bad thing is that the T-50 still has serious problems with engines, before mass operation (which will also reveal its heap problems) as crawling to Beijing, and the enemy has ALREADY begun his flights on the iron, honing it himself, his weapons and identifying software errors. Even if they eventually abandon the operation of this aircraft (which in itself is unlikely), in the end they will have EXPERIENCE of mass operation, which we do not have YET. It's a shame to overcome the gap again. Therefore, there are not many reasons for shapkozakidatelstva.

      But if you look from the other side, then "measure seven times - cut once." We do not take too much time to finish the T-50 in comparison with the "partners". As a result, not only do we have a really 5th generation sample, which is about to become a series, but it also has a wider field for modernization than a publicized one, packed to capacity without any modernization capabilities, losing in almost everything flight and combat articles of the F-35. So, to argue that the Americans have something flying, but we do not, is premature.
      Personally, my opinion is even later, but a normal plane than the circus that is going on around the F-35 under-plane lol hi
      1. PKK
        PKK April 8 2016 19: 59
        +4
        It’s surprising to me why the 35th is constantly compared with the T50? 35th, it’s an average drummer, of shortened or vertical take-off and landing, carrying less armament due to the drive and fan. It is designed more to cover some kind of operation, more tactical with the architecture of the 5th generation .35 it is more correct to compare with our MIGs. It will be more exact.
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 April 8 2016 20: 24
          0
          Quote: PKK
          It surprises me, why on earth is the 35th constantly compared with the T50? ... 35 is it more correct to compare with our MIGs. That will be more accurate.

          I absolutely agree, but, unfortunately, we don’t have a 5th generation machine similar in purpose, that's why such assumptions are made. MiG-35, too, compared with the F-35 is not allowed to be allowed.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 8 2016 18: 43
    +1
    They are not guilty.
    Duc and we go find it. So it turns out a "social order", however.
  • meriem1
    meriem1 April 8 2016 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Black
    Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane
    Well, they slightly overpaid wassat

    http://topwar.ru/93631-bumagi-rodzhersa-poltora-trilliona-dollarov-za-bumazhnyy-
    samoletik.html
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 8 2016 18: 52
    +3
    And why are we gloating anyway? Well, we sawed, a little, a little. They then turn on the machine and start the program again, business that. Inflation will never be seen, 0,00000%. And here rubles are fully paid for with oil and gas. Here these would be coraedov to the nail. And Medvedev told them: "Return what you burned on and go in peace."
    1. VP
      VP April 8 2016 20: 49
      +2
      The economy works a little more complicated than "turning on the machine again".
      Could include without consequences - would include.
      But how to turn it off in 2014 so far no longer decide to turn it on.
      Today, the Fed is urgently going to a closed meeting, pumpkins will scratch what to do with rates, there is a situation "increase cannot be lowered"
  • rpek32
    rpek32 April 9 2016 03: 11
    +1
    it’s necessary to translate such things into English and toss back the repulsed Americans. let them boil for health laughing
  • Blondy
    Blondy April 9 2016 04: 01
    0
    Today we are publishing the second part of our “sensational” story about corruption in the United States. Read Rogers - and the world will never be the same!

    And what is the sensation here? So let me put a minus one who did not know about the Pentagon cuts. F35, along with Dapra and Bradley, has probably already been imposed on all teeth by all media analysts. No answers to simple female questions who? when? Where? with whom? how much?
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 9 2016 22: 28
      0
      THIS CONTINUATION AT HIS-PROMISED SERIES OF ARTICLES ABOUT CORRUPTION OF AMER
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 10 2016 21: 00
        0
        Not such a bad plane, do not drive. The latest technology is always expensive, and over time it only gets more expensive. So there is nothing surprising in the trillion spent. And besides, the bulk of this money is decent salaries, not naschen pitiful pennies. And salary is a measure of stimulating domestic demand. By paying trillions to the F-35 program, Americans are saving their economies.
  • gorez.69
    gorez.69 April 11 2016 14: 41
    0
    Well, they slightly overpaid wassat[/ Quote]
    No, they just paid in advance lol
  • vglazunov
    vglazunov April 8 2016 18: 21
    +2
    Keep the thief the thief shouts loudest ... Let’s better about Taburetkin, Lake cooperative. Everywhere corruption, which is like a dog chasing its tail laughing
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 8 2016 18: 44
      +3
      Yeah, the article is a balm for the soul of patriots, but there are no papers about corruption in Russia or what? What a pity, everything is fine with us.
      1. vglazunov
        vglazunov April 8 2016 19: 29
        0
        Corruption was almost defeated last year, but for the ultimate trouble, Putin signed a decree approving a national (people’s, you, me, him, she, they, all together) anti-corruption plan for 2016 and 2017.
      2. VP
        VP April 8 2016 20: 51
        +2
        Well, start a topic and go, like a big boy, and on other topics, translate the arrows.
    2. udincev
      udincev April 8 2016 18: 48
      0
      yes We passed ...
      Still there is, which is better? repeat
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 8 2016 18: 26
    +10
    If this is an investigation, then where are the facts: account numbers, dates, amounts, last names. The specifics. And so - my world has remained the same. If it is sarcasm or trolling - then okay. But liberals or Westophiles will not be impressed.
    1. udincev
      udincev April 8 2016 18: 46
      +2
      For the history of the investigation, see Rogers Panama Papers article 1.
      48 hours!
    2. quote
      quote April 8 2016 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: S_Baykala
      If this is an investigation, then where are the facts: account numbers, dates, amounts, last names. The specifics. And so - my world has remained the same. If it is sarcasm or trolling - then okay. But liberals or Westophiles will not be impressed.

      In particular (specifics) I agree. Liberals and other "fils" will not break through the facts either. One thing pisses me off that these "tsuki". I can afford it. Yes, and they have laws for this matter. It's a shame that with scarcity budget (s) are trying to "wrestle" in Russia.
    3. mav1971
      mav1971 April 8 2016 20: 53
      -2
      Quote: S_Baykala
      If this is an investigation, then where are the facts: account numbers, dates, amounts, last names. The specifics. And so - my world has remained the same. If it is sarcasm or trolling - then okay. But liberals or Westophiles will not be impressed.


      Yes there is nothing there.
      He does not understand the numbers. who writes!
      1.3 trillion is 400 billion for aircraft and 900 billion for future operating costs.
      He does not understand anything in the materiel.
      He does not understand anything in logic.
      Just a layman!
  • Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky April 8 2016 18: 27
    +10
    And unrealistically expensive (and equally stupid) destroyers of the Zamvolt class

    But the leader in cuts and rollbacks today, of course, is the flight of the LockheedMartin F-35 aircraft

    Now the adherents of Kaptsov and other "sympathizers" with the American military-industrial complex will awaken ... laughing
    1. Arktidianets
      Arktidianets April 8 2016 18: 32
      +5
      You should not have mentioned Kaptsov, he will again break into graphomania on a dozen articles.
      1. pilot8878
        pilot8878 April 8 2016 18: 43
        +7
        Quote: Arctidian
        You should not have mentioned Kaptsov, he will again break into graphomania on a dozen articles.

        Do not be dashing while it is quiet? laughing
    2. Kronos07
      Kronos07 April 8 2016 20: 44
      -2
      F-35 Lightning II in action hi
      1. Westet2
        Westet2 April 8 2016 21: 34
        +8
        In terms of advertising their product, the Americans have no equal in this matter !! Well, as it comes to real application, it doesn’t go as smoothly as in advertising.
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 8 2016 22: 47
          0
          He proves it here. wassat
      2. akims
        akims April 9 2016 00: 19
        0
        Russia in action.
        Somehow convincing:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAxK9oUoDLk
  • Nymp
    Nymp April 8 2016 18: 30
    +5
    And these "lyudi" reproach dill with corruption ?! Yes, the Banderlog has not yet grown to their masters
    1. udincev
      udincev April 8 2016 18: 44
      +6
      But talented and diligent.
      In addition, judging by the Panamanian papers, they have a guiding star named Petya!
  • Arktidianets
    Arktidianets April 8 2016 18: 30
    +3
    What will our liberalists say to this, saying that this is all speculation and slander? This can not be in a country of developed democracy! Well, or as an option, you know who is to blame.
  • shans2
    shans2 April 8 2016 18: 36
    +4
    Now let’s listen to our Zionist friends, hehe.
  • Arkan
    Arkan April 8 2016 18: 39
    +8
    I drank one and a half trillion greens and at the same time there are no guilty, here is the crown of democracy!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 8 2016 18: 39
    +2
    Call corruption lobbying and you will be happy. winked Our sawers against theirs as an october with a hacksaw against lumberjacks with a chainsaw "Friendship" smile
    1. uragan114
      uragan114 April 8 2016 20: 54
      +4
      Quote: Captive
      Call corruption lobbying and you will be happy. winked Our sawers against theirs as an october with a hacksaw against lumberjacks with a chainsaw "Friendship" smile

      I don't give a damn about their "lumberjacks". Let at least they saw at themselves.
      And to our "october" I would give friendship 2 and intend to cut hectares in the "north".
      1. alex86
        alex86 April 8 2016 21: 52
        +5
        Quote: uragan114
        I don't care about their "lumberjacks"

        This is very true - let them have a headache about their "felling", that ours are so excited? Their problems do not bother me at all, ours bother me. Rollbacks are 20-30%, and in some places even 50%. And the cellist pumped money for issued and not returned loans with compensation of $ 1. And in general, it turns out that Russia is the record holder for the purchase of musical instruments. And I'm not even talking about Gazprom's "projects" that start and stop (and spent money); Rotenberg's "Platon", where money for travel on state roads goes to a private trader; railways, where the speed is 100 km per day, and in China 1000 km per day (we have an Aeroexpress in the city of Kazan, in which 2-4 people travel in a train of 6 cars) and we all pay for it. And they worry about the Americans! Yes, I do not care about them, (if you do not take into account that we also indirectly pay for all these exercises, selling oil for paper), I feel sorry for my (our) money for these snickering grabbers, who are headed (forgive me for political incorrectness) by our President Putin.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 8 2016 18: 39
    +1
    If you believe the author .......! This is what turns out $ 1500000000000 ......! For such grandmas ..........!
  • Kibl
    Kibl April 8 2016 18: 51
    +2
    Well, everything is clear about the mattress, but where do the countries that have already placed orders for the purchase of these pelvis look? Or did the US oblige them to do so voluntarily and compulsorily, to the best of their command tone? To buy a cat in a bag for crazy billions ..... Well I don’t know, or maybe this is a new form of racket in the American way, like in the Soviet film classics, well, such as a gas cut off or something else!
    1. VP
      VP April 8 2016 20: 54
      +1
      The Italians overruled the order, Canadians refuse, Australians on treason, South Koreans too
    2. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 April 8 2016 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: KIBL
      but where do countries that have already placed purchase orders for these pelvis look?

      "piece" from the article
      The United States came up with whom to discard the "golden" F-35 fighter
      http://gosnovosti.com/2016/04/%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B4%D1%83%

      D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83-%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%80%

      D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9/
      =======
      Denmark and Australia have already refused to purchase these aircraft because of overpriced. Australia was about to acquire a hundred new Lockheed Martin creations, but when she found out that she would receive the order no earlier than seven years later, she changed her mind. Italian Defense Minister Gianpaolo Di Paola back in 2012 announced the reduction of the order from 131 to 90 F-35. And even the Pentagon in the same year postponed the purchase of 179 brand new fighters.

      The only country that is going to purchase the F-35 in full is Israel. The transaction value is 2.75 billion dollars. For comparison: the amount of annual US military assistance to Israel is $ 3 billion. Why not take planes for nothing? It’ll also remain on kerosene. By the way, Israel bargained for an additional condition in the contract - the installation of its own avionics and weapons systems on the plane. Something the Jews do not like the American original.
      1. iwind
        iwind April 9 2016 01: 10
        +3
        Quote: Dryuya2
        Denmark and Australia have already refused to purchase these aircraft because of overpriced. Australia was about to acquire a hundred new Lockheed Martin creations, but when she found out that she would receive the order no earlier than seven years later, she changed her mind. Italian Defense Minister Gianpaolo Di Paola back in 2012 announced the reduction of the order from 131 to 90 F-35. And even the Pentagon in the same year postponed the purchase of 179 brand new fighters.

        Quote: VP
        The Italians overruled the order, Canadians refuse, Australians on treason, South Koreans too

        Mmm? Australia has already paid and are waiting in line to receive aircraft every year. in 2018, immediately receive 8 (80 F-35A (28 US Air Force, 10 Israel, 10 South Korea, 8 Australia, 8 Netherlands, 6 Norway, 6 Japan 4 Turkey))

        The Italian built a factory for the production of F-35. And now, of course, they will build 40 F-35s on it .... Why was it worth spending a lot of $ billion? To educate students, young specialists were specially hired and trained. And in recent times, they somehow do not talk about reducing their orders.

        England increased / confirmed its order by 138 pieces.
        1. Kronos07
          Kronos07 April 9 2016 01: 13
          0
          SpaceX Falcon 9
          1. iwind
            iwind April 9 2016 01: 57
            0
            Quote: Kronos07
            SpaceX Falcon 9

            Spoilrast ... Not well, I was thinking about watching the full record .... smile
            Well done ... I somehow did not believe that it would succeed on a barge.
            PS forgot something about the live broadcast ...
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 03: 28
              0
              soldier .........
          2. sa-ag
            sa-ag April 9 2016 08: 10
            +1
            Quote: Kronos07
            SpaceX Falcon 9

            Well done, Bezos had his New Sheppard do it three times already
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 09: 51
              -1
              Bezos never went into space.
  • meriem1
    meriem1 April 8 2016 18: 55
    +4
    Quote: Black
    Rogers Paper: One and a half trillion dollars for a paper airplane
    Well, they slightly overpaid wassat


    Potiiishe !!! Liberators run to the WC at a run))))) Throwing their "pearls" in my head about the fact that everything is not so with US. America began to die right after the USSR !!!
    PS And Ukraine is a mirror image through corrupt America !!! Liberals. You are sorry. Do not choke .... And then there is no one to balk at!
    PSS By the way. Something minuses about and without reason has long been gone. Moders began to look who pounding stupidly minus all the posts? Bravo! Happiness has come !!!
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 April 8 2016 19: 03
    +5
    As I understand it, an article from the cycle: "I don't need everything to be good for me, I need a neighbor's cow to die." I don't care who and how much stole in the USA, I need that we don't have this. In the meantime .... we don’t steal so much, not because they cannot or don’t want, but because our money is smaller, the houses are lower and the asphalt is thinner. And if you count as a percentage of the allocated funds, then there is still a big question who is more.
  • kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 8 2016 19: 07
    +2
    If all is true, then for us Lame Goblin will be a good plane. wassat
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 8 2016 19: 14
    +2
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    They are not guilty.
    Duc and we go find it. So it turns out a "social order", however.

    So we have already joined the victorious capitalism with a "human face" and full democracy, and therefore what are the guilty ones - the people themselves chose the type and therefore they are to blame for everything! wassat
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona April 8 2016 19: 29
    +9
    Underestimating the enemy is the first step to defeat.
    The article is a jamb on a jamb.
    1. 1,3 Trillion dollars for the entire program, from the beginning to 2070, when the last active aircraft leaves for the desert. And not spent at the moment.
    2. Run over to DARPU which has hundreds of completed projects. Including the one with which we correspond here, is called the Internet.
    3. For air combat and a breakthrough of missile defense it is possible to fly without suspensions, after which it is already hung up. And before that, stealth will affect.
    4. OLS is good, but only if both planes are stealth, otherwise before reaching the line of sight at which OLS is operating there will already be a rocket in its side.
    5. For dogfight, he has a 360-degree view from the pilot, guidance with his eyes, and all-angle rockets that fly 360 without a turn of the plane.
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad April 8 2016 20: 16
      +2
      Well yes. The author is free to deal with the facts.

      explained - here it is a matter of motivation. Rogers is very concerned about corruption in America. Like a true America patriot named Rogers. Already wrote a series with a sequel.

      Here I am concerned about corruption in America about the same as ... well ... the problems of penguins in Antarctica. I am more concerned about corruption in Russia. At worst in Germany smile
    2. VP
      VP April 8 2016 21: 01
      +2
      2070 was named from the ceiling in order to stretch the cost reports in the public reports for as many years as possible, otherwise the costs look completely deadly.
      Although the horse understands that 70 years for a fighter is a complete mockery, especially since it was not the most successful of the fighters from the very beginning.
      And tell me, will he break through air defense blindly or with radars?
      What about rockets?
      And to what depth will it "tear" if a radius of a thousand and close to the front no one will ever base it?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 8 2016 22: 45
        0
        1. Considering that there are more than 2400 aircraft, garbage, even if they are written off 20 years after construction
        2. This still needs to be proved. While this unsuccessful plane has never even crashed.
        3.With radars behind the back in the form of AWACS
        4. Turn on the radar as needed in LPI mode, AWACS will say when
        5.A cruise missiles made using stealth technology AGM-158 fly 360-960 kilometers, so you can tear to the entire depth of the front without flying into the air defense radius. After the air defense is secured enough, you can move on to cheaper means
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 8 2016 22: 54
          0
          1. So many will not do
          2. The article proves
          3. The F-16 also has AWACS radars behind its back.
          4. DRLO in general for this and need
          5. cruise missiles can simply be launched from the ground in the frontline wassat

          Given that no less than 400 billion has already been disbursed
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 9 2016 13: 58
            +1
            1.This is only your IMHO according to the plans of 2400+ only for the USA, plus hundreds more, there are already more than 150, and the USA does not even consider this as a large series and is increasing the shaft
            2.In article lie through a line
            3. Ф16 are not stealths and their enemy will notice their radars earlier
            4. DRLO is a lot of what is needed, only there are always a few special ones for a fleet of a couple of thousand aircraft
            5. Only at first the agreement needs to be broken with Russia, but for now it’s forbidden to do so and even cover the enemy with a preventive strike, the planes are much more mobile and can protect themselves
            6.400 billion is not mastered, and the price of 2400+ airplanes with everything
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 9 2016 13: 58
            0
            1.This is only your IMHO according to the plans of 2400+ only for the USA, plus hundreds more, there are already more than 150, and the USA does not even consider this as a large series and is increasing the shaft
            2.In article lie through a line
            3. Ф16 are not stealths and their enemy will notice their radars earlier
            4. DRLO is a lot of what is needed, only there are always a few special ones for a fleet of a couple of thousand aircraft
            5. Only at first the agreement needs to be broken with Russia, but for now it’s forbidden to do so and even cover the enemy with a preventive strike, the planes are much more mobile and can protect themselves
            6.400 billion is not mastered, and the price of 2400+ airplanes with everything
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 40
              -1
              1. And what do you think these 2400+ have already done?
              2. For example, what do you disagree with?
              3. But nevertheless, after all, behind the AWACS, by the way it’s not bad and they will be highlighted
              4. Do you think AWACS will not do more?
              5. And how are they generally transported on the ground because of this agreement? By preventive fire, it is easier for the enemy to cover fixed arsenals and airfields with their carriers.
              6. The remaining 1,1 trillion is then what is not fit, if not secret?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona April 9 2016 19: 07
                0
                1. There is a program, money is reserved, why not? Yes, is it exported for 1000 pieces?
                2. For example, that 1.3 trillion has already been spent, while in the table of contents 1.5 trillion, there is not even any internal consistency. Then the average cost of Darpa’s projects is also a lie, their average project is ten different millions, they have financing a couple of billion a year, with dozens of projects underway.
                3. Will not be.
                4. They will, but they are very expensive and very complex, and electronics plants will be a priority, and it’s difficult to rebuild their archives.
                5. Of course, stationary aircraft carriers, but you probably haven’t heard about basing on freeways?
                6. For fuel, upgrades, repairs, airfields, scientific research necessary for upgrades, for ammunition, for fixing any jambs found during operation, for training mechanics and pilots in a service trip, etc.
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 10 2016 06: 33
                  0
                  1. In your opinion, does this mean that it has already been released?
                  2. Maybe, but this is not the main topic of the article.
                  3. Will shine by?
                  4. If there is then what is the problem? Not so expensive.
                  5. Aircraft carrier is mobile, but he generally puffs from a match
                  6. At least airfields do with it? As well as ammunition, fuel, etc. This is an F-35 program and not all of this. Aircraft carriers for the F-35C still write here ...
                  1. Foofighter
                    Foofighter April 10 2016 07: 05
                    0
                    Clause 5 rocket can be placed anywhere, even in a swamp, on a much smaller ship or even a submarine, on the freeway - not every plane and not on any and the location of such sections is known in advance.
                  2. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona April 10 2016 14: 22
                    0
                    1. This means that if there is no disaster, they will be released.
                    2. This is the main topic of the article. Gold plane sawing
                    3. That which is reflected from the plane flies towards AWACS, that is, to the rear. Where is the tension with enemy planes
                    4. Yeah, from 270 miserable millions, with this money you can buy three F-35A and another 15 million will be left for different bells and whistles to it in the form of trinors wink
                    5. Why only stupid Soviet generals believed that it was necessary to drive a couple of dozen granites into it, probably this incredible US military secret
                    6.What is included in the price of the program. All costs directly related to the F-35 are included in this price. Not only is the F-35 based on aircraft carriers, but fuel, ammunition, all the alterations for servicing the F-35, retraining the mechanics on them so that they know the F-35, etc., due to the F-35 program.
                    7.You probably didn’t see the European road network lol
                    1. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 11 2016 06: 06
                      0
                      1. she’s already scheduled ... the general, as he heard about the F-35 and its budget, fainted and even there everyone understood everything in the hall, but not some here bully
                      2. This is if about F-35 and not about DARPA
                      3. everything that is not refracted is reflected from the plane
                      4. Avaks are different, but the Swedes have very tiny ...
                      5. One or two is enough. this is so that "completely", and to flare up - from a match, ask McCain ...
                      6. Not included. These are other programs. Fuel changes in price over the years, most missile and shell bombs are the same on several types of aircraft, and airfields and aircraft carriers are used together. Training technicians and pilots - yes.
                      7. you probably do not know the essence of the issue
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona April 12 2016 19: 58
                        0
                        1. Zadolbalo probably already answer 100500 times to the same questions lol
                        2. Both that and that, re-read article
                        3. Only if you shine from behind, it is reflected back bully Plus you forgot about absorption and dispersion
                        4. The tinier the worse, they need to hang far from the front line, so as not to die smartly.
                        5. If you call a missile launch on a crowded deck a match wassat
                        6. The fact that something is changing in price and the price of the program is constantly changing, there are already 100500 news about the next calculation of the cost of the program.
                        And as for ammunition, which does not stop, all ammunition spent on a military conflict is considered a separate budget line, as are the costs of specific aircraft
                        7.You probably haven’t seen numerous exercises winked
                      2. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 17: 31
                        0
                        1. Understood (the last of the whole audience) that he is in this "herbalife" extreme ...
                        2. On the F-35, not everything is written yet
                        3. absorption is generally refraction, but you forgot about dispersion
                        4. unnecessary, they have a large antenna
                        5. happened without rocket launches, this was the smallest
                        6. its price does not decrease at the same time
                        7. in the same places? about all (almost) Swedish adapted highway sections on the Internet there
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 8 2016 23: 17
      0
      But this aircraft will fly far and will not have to, the United States is armed with air-to-air missiles with a launch range of 900 kilometers.
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      2. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 41
        +2
        Then why does he need stealth? ... These missiles can be hung on other planes, then they also will not have to fly far. laughing
  • iwind
    iwind April 8 2016 22: 55
    +3
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Underestimating the enemy is the first step to defeat.
    The article is a jamb on a jamb.
    1. 1,3 Trillion dollars for the entire program, from the beginning to 2070, when the last active aircraft leaves for the desert. And not spent at the moment.

    Wow, on topwar, you finally began to notice such jambs in an article about F-35 belay
    In general, the situation frankly amuses me, not to develop a new 5th generation LPI to create a competitor and counter the F-35. Nah, it's better to create 105 article about how terrible it is and in general it is possible not to soar ... And if not? Wake up one "fine morning" and understand that your opponent has several hundred 5-pack drummers scattered about. around the world. and you only have a few hundred articles about how bad it is. The alignment is not better, there is not even a direct clash issue of control over territories.
    The price of F-35 decreases every year. for 2016 it’s already $ 102 million. But they will still write that it costs as if it were made of gold.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 10
      0
      Shoals of the F-35 in the comments of some

      Quote: iwind
      And if not?

      and if the Pentagon generals pass out in public?
      Quote: iwind
      several hundred drummers

      so already not fighters?

      Engines did not forget to count at their real cost? starting with a ladder along which a pilot climbs into it from another one and those whose hands grow from this place
      1. iwind
        iwind April 8 2016 23: 18
        0
        Quote: FooFighter
        and if the Pentagon generals pass out in public?

        The man felt bad ... but how funny it is. I feel soon there will be an article "the mechanic of the F-35 died / the child is sick - and it's all because of the F-35 !!! 111" And yes, then he gave a briefing.
        Quote: FooFighter
        Engines did not forget to count at their real cost? starting with a ladder along which a pilot climbs into it from another one and those whose hands grow from this place

        I do not. Did not forget.
        But the author of the article somehow ignored that these 1 trillion are expenses for 70 years ...
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 24
          0
          That is, you saw but still "everything is going according to plan"?
          It became bad from something .. And another general Gorenz made laugh
          Lockheed F-35 "Scarecrow-2", 5th gen fRight (er)

          You still haven’t noticed that 400 billion of them have already been spent.
          1. iwind
            iwind April 8 2016 23: 34
            +1
            Quote: FooFighter
            That is, you saw but still "everything is going according to plan"?
            He felt ill from something .. And another general Gorenz made laugh

            The person is ill, yes it is F-35 fault. definitely ... Damn, really let's gloat a stroke or something like that, it's so funny.
            Yes, nothing ever goes according to plan, but in general the F-35 has rules. They have opportunities and most importantly determination to solve problems.
            Quote: FooFighter
            You still haven’t noticed that 400 billion of them have already been spent.

            Smaller, but not the point. The United States can afford it. In general, I am a supporter of spending on R&D - spending on science and engineering is spending on my future.
            Quote: FooFighter
            so already not fighters?

            fighter-bomber- the essence of one is simply different terms
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 9 2016 01: 03
              -1
              It became bad for the general at the mention of F-35 and not because of lack of insurance ... He was checked for a stroke right away, while he was still sitting on a chair.
              Let's stop clowning around, and about the fact that the F-35 has all the rules, everyone sees what the rules are, even the generals will ask for a rollback from an unsuccessful program. If he had not been personally implicated (if only he or his spouse-2 was not a real shareholder of Lockheed), then he would have become simply annoyed for his department and for his USE (who incidentally bombed your country, destroying only civilians).

              Already more than 400 billion ... the bottom line is that at such a pace, even until 2028 is not enough. Even the USA cannot afford such embezzlement, as despite all its abilities and purposefulness it did not drag out the war in Vietnam ...
              1. iwind
                iwind April 9 2016 01: 44
                +1
                Quote: FooFighter
                It became bad for the general at the mention of F-35 and not because of lack of insurance ... He was checked for a stroke right away, while he was still sitting on a chair.
                Let’s stop clowning around, and about the fact that with the F-35 all the rules, everyone sees what the rules are, even the generals from whom will ask for a rollback from an unsuccessful program.

                Well, yes, the general who is responsible for the F-35, what else could they ask him. So I recently harassed and vomited me at work, well, not to blame this work so coincided. And why should he worry, the price is steadily falling back in 2015 was $ 110 million now $ 102 million
                Quote: FooFighter
                Already more than 400 billion ... the bottom line is that at such a pace, even until 2028 is not enough. Even the USA cannot afford such embezzlement, as despite all its abilities and purposefulness it did not drag out the Vietnam War.

                Smaller, substantially less. Somewhere 100 billion + - rather, even a minus
                $ 54.9 billion R&D + production (now, too lazy to calculate the exact amount) well, there is no more than $ 40 billion
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 9 2016 05: 30
                  +1
                  About anything, about insurance, for example ... They asked him not about how to feed in the general’s dining room, or to breathe by the vending machines in the laundry room. There is something for him to worry about, and everything should have been ready the day before yesterday.

                  More than 400 ... Do you submit real data to the tax about your R&D? Especially if you bought everything in Russia even without grants for almost nothing?
                  1. iwind
                    iwind April 9 2016 11: 21
                    0
                    Quote: FooFighter
                    About anything, about insurance, for example ... They asked him not about how to feed in the general’s dining room, or to breathe by the vending machines in the laundry room. There is something for him to worry about, and everything should have been ready the day before yesterday.

                    More than 400 ... Do you submit real data to the tax about your R&D? Especially if you bought everything in Russia even without grants for almost nothing?

                    Hmm what a nonsense. He is only the curator of the program from the military. If they plant it not him.
                    Well, give confirmation of go there more than 400rd? Only not from yellow satov articles.
                    Quote: FooFighter
                    Are you submitting real data to the tax about your R&D?

                    I’m even overstating because they reduce the tax burden.
                    1. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 35
                      -1
                      They will curate poorly and plant them, do they not do this for accepting frank bullshit worth its weight in gold?
                      Well, where is your next "sinful laugh at a cripple"?

                      Yes, to find about 400 billion is not a problem, even in yellow, even in blue ... Well, since "nonsense" then look for yourself ... bully
                      Do you think they will not even be able to multiply the number of aircraft issued to the buyer by their price? And to take into account that for all the preliminary expenses, the factories for their release were built and began to work, it is paid in advance?
                    2. iwind
                      iwind April 9 2016 19: 13
                      0
                      Quote: FooFighter
                      They will curate poorly and plant them, do they not do this for accepting frank bullshit worth its weight in gold?
                      Well, where is your next "sinful laugh at a cripple"?

                      Remarkably supervised. The value is falling. The number of aircraft / orders is growing. Gold worth lol and how much does it cost you 400 million, $ 500 million, no $ 800 million?
                      Quote: FooFighter
                      Yes, to find about 400 billion is not a problem, even in yellow, even in blue ... Well, since "nonsense" then look for yourself ...
                      Do you think they will not even be able to multiply the number of aircraft issued to the buyer by their price?

                      And why should I look for nonsense. Yes, and somehow not a supporter of the blue press, then I trust your knowledge.
                      I know the cost structure of the F-35. All R&D + production will produce 100bn + -
                      If they can be very surprised by expendables, especially if we compare the price by year, each year the price decreases.
                    3. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 10 2016 06: 50
                      0
                      It is so wonderful that the last F-35 was supposed to be ready eight years ago, and the Navy with the ILC will soon be left without them at all.

                      Maybe you still know all the secret budget items? There is an article in this structure: how much did Lockheed buy it in Russia in 1992? R&D is always a large part of the costs of such weapons programs. Which (R&D) in fact was almost non-existent but the company received money from the Pentagon allocated by Congress. And then she regularly distributed kickbacks from them back to the generals and to Congress ... So the congressmen will soon begin to faint too.

                      Quote: iwind

                      fighter-bomber- the essence of one is simply different terms

                      the essence is not one, therefore different names ...
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  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 8 2016 23: 13
    +1
    It would be better to write what problems the T 50 has and why, after 7 years of testing, they cannot take it into service.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 30
      0
      And about the F-35, it means right now, starting with his short flight of stairs, it became impossible?

      Yes, in general, the T-50 has no problems ... neither with the helmet, nor with the gun software ... lol for writing the driver for which the F-35 took 4 years lol
      1. iwind
        iwind April 8 2016 23: 39
        +1
        Quote: FooFighter
        Yes, in general, the T-50 has no problems ... neither with the helmet, nor with the gun software ... for writing the driver for which the F-35 took 4 years

        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 9 2016 01: 22
          -3
          In order for the gun motor to start spinning, and she just shoot, just connect the wiring and apply voltage
          consult "voyaka-uh" and the Estonian programmers who are writing a special gun driver for this open architecture aircraft lol
          1. iwind
            iwind April 9 2016 01: 49
            +1
            Quote: FooFighter
            In order for the gun motor to start spinning, and she just shoot, just connect the wiring and apply voltage
            consult "voyaka-uh" and the Estonian programmers who are writing a special gun driver for this open architecture aircraft lol

            Oh well. All clear. What else should the gun do? Pies to bake?
            Everything is as always ... not nothing. One journalist blurted out about not firing a gun and off.
            By the way, I do not need to pay; I read the test reports myself.
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 9 2016 05: 06
              0
              Shoot and hit ... the prifs nipamogut bully
              1. iwind
                iwind April 9 2016 11: 25
                0
                Quote: FooFighter
                Shoot and hit ... the prifs nipamogut bully

                lol He shoots to be exact 90 shells for the given test. And why shouldn't he shoot?
                Because in your world is this impossible? lol
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 34
                  -1
                  Shoots and hits the peephole, right through the "glass cockpit"? Only Jedi can do that ...
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  • onega67
    onega67 April 9 2016 12: 11
    0
    For air combat and a breakthrough, missile defense can be flown without suspensions, after which it is already hung up.
    Air refueling!
  • kotvov
    kotvov April 8 2016 19: 29
    +1
    otherwise your little illusory world will never be the same. ,,
    what an illusion there is, they get money quite specific. and their answers are astounding, today the greatest ryzhkov switched to market speeches. In response to accusing him of betrayal, I did not find anything clever except to call a fool. Here I understand tolerance.
  • HAM
    HAM April 8 2016 19: 40
    +3
    The other day, we, readers of VO, asked Alexander R. to write about corruption in the states, but counted on something serious, and not on such articles. We read that every day. Alexander, do not rush to articles, if you really have worthwhile information, we will wait as long as necessary.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 00
      0
      Fool every American (including infants, homeless, disabled and retired) by 5 bucks, this is certainly not your scale, maestro, I understand ...
    2. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 8 2016 23: 00
      0
      Fool every American (including infants, homeless, disabled and retired) by 5 bucks, this is certainly not your scale, maestro, I understand ...
  • valent45
    valent45 April 8 2016 19: 52
    +1
    Our corruption is nothing compared to them!
  • v.komaro2013
    v.komaro2013 April 8 2016 20: 04
    +1
    All discussions - who is "cooler", a waste of time. It's a shame that "but Vaska listens and eats"
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 April 8 2016 20: 05
    +1
    Urgently! Register, create an NGO for sawfly support in the USA!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 8 2016 20: 06
    +3
    Well, Rogers, thank you, balm for the soul is simple, but I’ll save a hat for the bathhouse. We will not rush once again. But it’s real to see — yes, we do them in aviation at minimal cost. What's next, after 22 and 35? And we have ... It is not in vain that Russia is compared with a bear, in their understanding, a bear is a stupid beast that destroys everything around it. This is not so, ask zoologists, and especially taiga. The smartest beast. He won’t take anything extra. He received a bear in the face, learned computer literacy and not only, but now ctrl-alt-del. The reformatting of the world has gone. Stop lying and robbing. Take away from any sapiens FEAR, and he will choose justice. You don’t want to go on a steam locomotive, so walk on foot, and tickets for that steam locomotive will be sold in Russia, I’m figurative, somehow ...
  • demo
    demo April 8 2016 20: 11
    0
    Its conditional “invisibility” is also possible only under the condition that it will not carry any mounted weapons, which makes such flights virtually meaningless. In addition, the new generation of optical detection equipment with increased accuracy and sensitivity comes into service with the Russian videoconferencing system, which completely eliminates this status.

    Do not understand.
    Optical systems, say located on the ground.
    What can they "see" an airplane 150 km away?
    And he will not fly any closer and from this maximum distance will begin to use his weapons.
    If these systems are located on an aircraft (airplane), then the situation is even worse.
    The aircraft is a rather "shaking" device and it will be even more difficult for it to "focus".
    Maybe I missed something?
    And somehow I do not know something?

    Maybe from the orbit of the aerospace forces will correct the operation of air defense or air force using optical systems?
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    2. VP
      VP April 8 2016 21: 28
      +1
      At what distance do you say will use? With 150?
      And get hit say?
      How will it lead, say?
      In my opinion, the farthest documented launch of an explosive rocket was kilometers from 30-40?
      The F-35 provides for the installation of 2 AIM - 120 which work for a hundred.
      But this is a non-maneuvering target flying at a constant speed and at high altitude. Which is unrealistic. In reality, it is alleged that the distances at BB are 20-30 percent of the maximum declared.
      So there are big doubts about the drawn picture.
      And the rocket needs to be guided for a long time until it itself captures the target in the final section, otherwise it will surely pass by from a long distance. And such an accompaniment - a dog under the tail of the whole stealth.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 8 2016 20: 33
    -1
    "About $ 1,3 trillion has already been spent on its development." 2440 F 100 fighters and I must admit that the plane was a success - it flies and it is in series.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 8 2016 20: 46
      -1
      I like you!
      how would I send you to the Pentagon? Head of the Air Force there?
      Ready to create and sign a petition.
    2. VP
      VP April 8 2016 22: 14
      -2
      Quote: Vadim237
      the plane was a success - it flies and it’s in the series

      How many of 174 aircraft are combat-ready and how many of them do not require serious modernization to become such?
      Semi-finished products so far. The idea of ​​spanking something on which it is impossible to go into battle is not the best, but it is compelled - it was necessary to shut up critics of the project who indicated the absence of at least some results. And try to calm the allies who got involved in the project.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 8 2016 23: 09
        0
        All the problems that F 35 can solve at the moment - these machines cannot but have problems, since this plane is the most sophisticated in the entire history of the US Air Force.
        1. iwind
          iwind April 8 2016 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          All the problems that F 35 can solve at the moment - these machines cannot but have problems, since this plane is the most sophisticated in the entire history of the US Air Force.

          any car has a problem. No need to go to extremes.
          Quote: VP
          How many of 174 aircraft are combat-ready and how many of them do not require serious modernization to become such?
          Semi-finished products so far. The idea of ​​spanking something on which it is impossible to go into battle is not the best, but it is compelled - it was necessary to shut up critics of the project who pointed out the absence of at least some results. And try to calm the allies who got into the project

          Currently 1 squadron. And this is logical. It was necessary to create a base for training pilots and techniques, etc. Since every year it is necessary to train pilots and technicians for 60+ and after 2 years for 100+ aircraft per year. It is not simple.
          That ju Su-27 at the time of adoption was in dozens of air bases and they were made under a hundred.
  • Bramb
    Bramb April 8 2016 20: 35
    0
    Also news to me!
    Knowing a little the insides of the West, I will say responsibly: our officials, in comparison with them, are simply naive children in diapers! Those steal so on such a scale that ours never dreamed of !!! However, there is not even a hint that they stole something. Ours is far from them.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez April 8 2016 20: 37
    0
    This article once again shows what a huge scale of corruption in the states. fellow
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 8 2016 20: 43
      0
      Not. Does not show.
      Only a little means that it is there. And the scale there is much larger.
    2. Kronos07
      Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 13
      -2
      .............
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 8 2016 20: 42
    +2
    Guys .... sad
    I, of course, a patriot ... and all that ..
    but, to read, I do not like such materials at all.
    Yes, even if this Fe-35 ... wouldn’t fly at all ... or fly only with its tail forward .. and lying on its side
    And let the pilots vomit there ... on takeoff and landing.
    What is it to me?
    ...
    I am much more worried, worried, enrages ... the fact that it is not the Americans who place their loans in our securities ... Poghosyan corporations, say ... are not invested in MiG shares ...
    - and we...
    with an unshakable hand, we tumble gigantic amounts of funds into the American financial pyramid.
    ..
    Who is to blame? ...... I know.
    What to do? .... I also know ....
    ...
    "... I can buy a goat, but I have no desire .... I wish to buy a Mercedes, but there is no way ..."
    ..
    Ehhhhh
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 April 8 2016 20: 44
    0
    A flag in their hands, a drum on the neck and a fair wind for taxiing ....
    But we should not relax!
  • mav1971
    mav1971 April 8 2016 20: 45
    +4
    In two parts.
    Part 1.
    The article put a bold minus.
    For the author is stupid, with logic everything is very bad for him.
    And he is also a note-conscious liar.

    Playing on an understatement of the role and characteristics of another’s weapon, and exalting, far beyond its realities.
    After such authors Tsushima took place, retreats to Moscow and the blockade of Leningrad.

    Example 1.
    Russian counterparts easily show afterburning speed in 2 Mach and higher

    Show me a blank plane with 2 swings and more ???
    Conclusion - the author is a liar.

    Example 2.
    Flight F-35 from LockheedMartin

    170 aircraft built. In 4's, they fly. Not a single disaster.
    Conclusion - the author is a liar.

    Example 3.
    F-35 is inferior in most respects to the Russian aircraft of even the fourth generation Su-35, not to mention the promising T-50.

    The author compares different aircraft both in class and in application.
    In F-35 - only MiG-29, Su-35 and the currently non-existent T-50 (there are only prototypes - 6pcs) have a competitor in the form of F-22. Which is inferior to our drying only in super-maneuver, surpasses it in everything else. Would not surpass - would not make the T-50.
    Conclusion - the author without logic at all and also again a liar.

    Example 4
    he will not carry any mounted weapons, which makes such flights practically meaningless. In addition, a new generation of optical detection means with enhanced accuracy and sensitivity is being supplied to the Russian VKS

    In bombs placed bombs and missiles.
    If in the role of air defense, then in the hatches F-35 can carry 4 AMRAAM. In the near 3 of the year, CUDA missiles will come. And then in the ammunition will be 4 AMRAAM + 4 CUDA. Or 12 CUDA.

    I recommend the author to read about the AN / AAQ-37 system. For 300km in passive IR mode, aircraft are detected, for 30-50km - rocket torches. Not only are they detected, but coordinates are calculated. for 15-20km - small contrasting targets. like artillery barrels.
    The ICBM torch detection was over 1000 kilometers.
    But we have no such level of systems. In the best case, our optics will give a distance of 50 km.
    We do not have thermal imaging technologies and will not be for a long time. Otherwise, they would not have bought the French, as in recent years.
    Conclusion - the author does not own the hardware and again a liar.

    breaks down on the performance characteristics of Russian air-to-air missiles. Soviet / Russian P-37 Strela is capable of hitting targets over 300 km

    Author, where is your logic?
    What the hell is measured by the length of a pip if it is not worth it?
    How will you launch missiles at 300km and further, if your target detection distance is measured in a hundred - one and a half?
    Where is the logic?
    continued next.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 9 2016 08: 25
      +1
      Quote: mav1971
      liar again.

      Look at it on the other hand, maybe the author wants how Wasserman to obtain Russian citizenship? We need to work. :-)
  • mav1971
    mav1971 April 8 2016 20: 46
    +5
    Part 2 Continued



    it turns out that Xnumx trillion dollars released into the pipe

    The author would still know that 1.3 trillion dollars is the cost of all development programs, 2250 aircraft, the re-equipment of all air bases and BAO, pilot training ... and operating costs for a bunch of years to come.
    Aircraft themselves - 400 billion dollars.
    But the operating costs for the future "heap of years" are 900 billion dollars.
    Salaries of pilots and airfield workers, fuel ...
    Considered in the contract!
    and nothing really has been spent yet! not released into any pipe.

    Conclusion - the author is senile!
    Without knowledge of the subject of writing the article!
    Without understanding the materiel!

    Moron! In short and to the point!


    I do not offer Amer’s weapons - I am against lies!
    And stupid things!

    Editorial!
    Well, how much can such fools be aired?
    You even have snippets "News of the army and navy of Russia and the world, geopolitics; opinions of military experts. Reviews of weapons and military-industrial complex technologies" ...
    And allow the stupidest materials in the style of "malakhov and other jerks in the arena of our circus" ???

    PS. To normal readers!
    I apologize for the harshness!
    But I do not want to restrain myself. Just the author - deserved his!
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 8 2016 21: 34
      +3
      Yes, there’s nothing to apologize for!
      Amateurs cheers screaming became a lot.
      Even to me, not a specialist, it became noticeable. Topvar used to be a source of information. and now here 90% bullshit, from which it is necessary to filter the grain. This is sad.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 April 8 2016 22: 34
        +3
        Quote: Bramb
        Yes, there’s nothing to apologize for!
        Amateurs cheers screaming became a lot.
        Even to me, not a specialist, it became noticeable. Topvar used to be a source of information. and now here 90% bullshit, from which it is necessary to filter the grain. This is sad.


        Take a close look at an article on Australia's procurement of bombs. You'll see. that all the idiots write in uniform cliches. on patterns.
        A natural question arises: "Do they not write according to the manuals?"
        such a feeling. that they were sent a set of "keywords", the so-called "scripts" - which they have to write ...
        Marked a couple of hundreds of posts and all.
        They do not enter into polemics.
        Technical (slightest) data is not given.

        If an article is initially crammed with technical information, there are no idiots in it.
        if the article crap someone - then they come out as if on command.

        Well, really, on the content of the State Department - if you want to kill a good idea - elevate it to an absolute degree of stupidity - and the idea itself will be discredited and rejected by society.
        If you want to discredit the government - write nonsense every day about corruption and theft.
        If you want to discredit the church, write nonsense every day about the hierarch’s hours.
        If you want to discredit patriotism, write every time the nonsense of carbon monoxide-patriotism.

        And so there is a rejection of that on which there can be a single core of the nation.
        For a couple of years. thanks to local and non-local idiots - the word patriot will become abusive not only among the liberals, but even mine ...

        Everything as a result comes to that. to ask a question - who benefits from this?
        1. region58
          region58 April 8 2016 23: 35
          +2
          Quote: mav1971
          A natural question arises: "Do they not write according to the manuals?"

          About a year ago there was a conversation here about intensifying the information war. Maybe what you write about is just one of its faces?
        2. iwind
          iwind April 8 2016 23: 54
          +1
          Quote: mav1971
          Take a close look at an article on Australia's procurement of bombs. You'll see. that all the idiots write in uniform cliches. on patterns.
          A natural question arises: "Do they not write according to the manuals?"
          such a feeling. that they were sent a set of "keywords", the so-called "scripts" - which they have to write ...
          Marked a couple of hundreds of posts and all.

          Oh looked. The funny thing is, these bombs were not bought for the F-35 (but in the news the picture of the F-35) ... but for the F / A-18. Not well, maybe the F-35 will use them, but certainly not the coming time ....
          "Australia has a large batch of SDB I aerial bombs to equip F / A-18F Super Hornit fighters. Delivery of" up to 2950 GBU-39 / B bombs "and" up to 50 inert GBU-39 (T-1) / B "for training goals. The cost of TSA is estimated at $ 172 million, and together with related materials and support - $ 386 million
          http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/australia-gbu-39-small-diameter-bomb-increment-
          i
        3. Kronos07
          Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 10
          0
          they are bored with the facts. if you want to know the progress of F 35 https://www.f35.com/
          1. iwind
            iwind April 9 2016 02: 16
            +1
            Quote: Kronos07
            they are bored with the facts. if you want to know the progress of F 35 https://www.f35.com/

            wink
            go to my profile. Do you think I do not know about this site? I now prefer to read and study with accounting (financial documents) of the Air Force. And so DOTE interesting reading. Interviews and briefing pilots (I recommend the Norwegian pilot instructor F-35 to listen to or honor his blog) and the first persons of the program are very interesting.
            1. Kronos07
              Kronos07 April 9 2016 02: 35
              -1
              you are one of a couple of people on this site who care about facts hi I read the site for more than 4 years,
              now it is Ukraine and the end of the dollar lol
              1. iwind
                iwind April 9 2016 02: 47
                +1
                Quote: Kronos07
                you are one of a couple of people on this site who care about facts hi I read the site for more than 4 years,
                now it is Ukraine and the end of the dollar lol

                Well, not just about the facts. There are just too many articles about which f-35 is bad. But in me the thinking and the spirit of contradiction are too critical. So I wanted to figure it out myself. Yes, and English must be practiced. And most importantly, it's just fun to read these myths about the F-35 that people write. And sometimes breaking stereotypes about f-35 is a bit lol
                ps If that is interesting about f-35 will find discard hp. Although I rarely go here, but still.
                1. Kronos07
                  Kronos07 April 9 2016 03: 14
                  0
                  my interest now with this project
  • Hypocrite
    Hypocrite April 8 2016 21: 07
    0
    FFF (fs fse fgeti)! Genegal said that FSE FSF Gossii will be afraid of one f-35 feed.
    The article is sausage. Godzhegs agent Kgemlya ...
  • akims
    akims April 8 2016 22: 35
    +1
    I watched the fi-35th ad.
    I remembered:
    -See "Hurricane" ... The first impression is humpback!
    -Can not be a humpback fighter!

    My first impression:
    -Trough!
    -It can not be trough a fighter!
  • Buffet
    Buffet April 8 2016 23: 04
    0
    Well guys, Serdyukov, remember ...
  • kmv.km
    kmv.km April 8 2016 23: 30
    +2
    Before you call the F-35 "crap" you must:

    1) For "hurray - pots - sreotov" - RELAX, as I understand it, THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE on the forum, well then "smear", "minus", "get promoted" - good luck.

    2) Wait for the arrival of the analogue of the F-22 (NOT F-35 !!!) heavy fighter T-50 !!! I sincerely wish our AVIATORS (designers, manufacturers, testers, military builders) SUCCESSES and Good Luck !!!

    3) Understand that the Su -27cm ... 30, 34, 35 - BEAUTIFUL (SUCCESSFUL I BELIEVE) Fighting Vehicles, let their number in combat units ONLY INCREASE, but ALL THEY ARE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOVIET PLANE Su-27 !!! And their analogues are not F-22 and F-35, but F-14, 15, 18, partly 16 in all versions.
    Can Our Pilots win on the Su-27 ..., 30,35 "flyers" on the F-15, 18,16? With appropriate study, support-guidance, minimum quantitative correspondence, I am sure that they can and will win!

    Will Our Pilots be able to defeat the Su-27 ..., 30,35 "flyers" on the F-22 and F-35?
    I DO NOT KNOW!!! Win, they can, WIN, DO NOT KNOW ...
    Unfortunately, there is no question of quantitative correspondence ...
    The maneuverability, or as it is called "super-maneuverability" of Our fighters is a good thing, ONLY IMPRESSIVE ON VIEWS (I hope this is a huge PLUS in combat terms); but the "ears" with this indicator "buzzed" so much that one gets the impression, sorry recourse that so far there is NOTHING ANYTHING in the superiority ... (I really hope I'm wrong)

    4th and main) I think that significantly more than the T-50, Russia NEED T - 21 BIS, lightweight, combining maneuverability and stealth technology, as "cheap" as possible, the main thing is MASS fighter!!! MIG-21 AT A NEW TECHNICAL LEVEL, THAT IS WHAT NEEDS !!!

    I welcome attempts to support Mikoyan's OKB with a "medium" MiG-35 in the short term, but in the long term ... I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

    5) the "Americans", even if they made a mistake with the F-35, and they are not Gods, are also wrong, the F-104 is an example of this, they will quickly correct their mistakes, forcing their "allies" to pay for them, the same F-104 is an example ...
    Unfortunately, Russia does not have such opportunities!
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander April 9 2016 01: 14
    +4
    The hatred in the article goes through the roof. Only a real clash in a REAL battle can show who and what is capable of. And tsifiri they mean little. Moreover, the money spent on DESIGNERS will always PAY FOR.
    1. Kronos07
      Kronos07 April 9 2016 01: 35
      0
      what is interesting to me is that I get a lot of minus for my point of view lol
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  • Kronos07
    Kronos07 April 9 2016 03: 17
    -2
    huge drone
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 9 2016 03: 24
    0
    If they had earned this money !!! - rob the whole world and what not to fool around. It will not be enough, they will arrange another mess.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 9 2016 09: 25
    0
    They already wrote about this plane that it is so bad because they tried to shove too much heterogeneous into it. Here, and a fighter and a vertical take-off plane and a deck aircraft ...
    Well, they got a misunderstanding. In addition, the aircraft was created at a time when there were no threats to Russia and China in the air.
  • clidon
    clidon April 9 2016 09: 48
    0
    Another article agitation. About nothing. At all.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 9 2016 15: 51
      0
      What are you, but in the USA there is no corruption at all ...
      1. clidon
        clidon April 9 2016 18: 39
        0
        I have no doubt that there is corruption in any country in the world, the question of its level and impact on society.
        However, it is not clear that the F-35 program must report corruption to us.
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 9 2016 18: 55
          -1
          She is corrupt as it says little.
          1. clidon
            clidon April 9 2016 19: 44
            0
            Why is it corrupt? How is this proved?
            1. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 10 2016 06: 02
              0
              then follow what you write ...

              Quote: clidon
              I have no doubt that there is corruption in any country in the world,
              1. clidon
                clidon April 10 2016 08: 15
                0
                And what are the doubts?
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 10 2016 09: 07
                  0
                  Someone just had:
                  Quote: clidon
                  Why is it corrupt? How is this proved?


                  and its degree is such that the F-35 could not land on an aircraft carrier for more than two years, and after having learned, after a dozen landings, it falls apart, and nevertheless "everything is fine", although it is no longer possible to spend more than 2 weeks on this ...
                  1. clidon
                    clidon April 10 2016 11: 17
                    0
                    Doubts should be supported by something more than an uneducated article. In fact, the F-35 flies and the VTOL variant is already in service. At the same time, not one fell apart.
                    And considering that such an expensive program is just a vacuum cleaner for criticism, you can always dig up as much dirt as you like.
                    1. Foofighter
                      Foofighter April 10 2016 12: 23
                      0
                      Please reinforce your doubts.

                      Quote: clidon
                      In fact, the F-35 flies and the VTOL variant is already in service. At the same time, not one fell apart.

                      Which fence did you read this? ... The mechanics of the ILC on the F-35B, for example, complain that the inter-flight maintenance (repairs in fact) takes 6-8 hours, and this does not always help - only half of the tested wing flew off so "successfully" for them, after which it " to carry out service "at the UDC was not left, sending it to the coastal airbase, but assigning a certain" initial level of combat readiness "for the bird, which is strange since the plane is ready to fight, or not ready.

                      F-35C collapses on AB in the Navy. And before that, for more than two years of attempts, they could not board these aircraft carriers, although it takes 2 weeks to solve this problem (if it can be solved), and whether the plane will fall apart from aerofinisher landings or not, in fact, it turns out long before that. For this purpose, for example, there are all kinds of ground complexes, such as "Thread" in the Crimea.

                      Where is the dirt? What kind of dirt? bully
                      1. clidon
                        clidon April 10 2016 19: 42
                        0
                        For a machine that has just started its journey, trial operation is more than one year. The Su-27 was accepted into service 5 years after he entered the unit and took over duty. So it’s not surprising - we tried it, fix the errors and return it again, if you haven’t already returned it to the deck (after all, your favorite "super" VTOL aircraft). Fortunately, there is something to practice the skill.
                        Same with the F-35 - the plane flies and lands.
                      2. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 11 2016 05: 31
                        +1
                        There were no technical problems with the Su-27.
                        The F-35 began its journey in 1992 and on the way 2g from 2012 to 2014 could not sit on the aircraft carrier in the aerofinisher, now it suddenly began to fall apart from this. And with the "beloved" F-35B, the managers decided to crank out another scam by ticking the "initial operational capability", although the mechanics don't think so (see above) ... and sent him to the coastal base where he flies like a regular plane.
                        This is your favorite, but all the Soviet "B-1 is not worth", even the Tu-160 laughing
                      3. clidon
                        clidon April 11 2016 19: 05
                        0
                        There were no technical problems with the Su-27.

                        And that is, for more than 5 years they have been looking for a pen in order to sign it. )))

                        Well, it all means and fell apart? Right now no one is flying? Remember the MiG-29, which cracked by hundreds, standing on the ground? Well, it seems that operation is still ongoing.
                        And then a new car, fix the "thin" places and go ahead.
                        Mechanics in smoking rooms can think anything.

                        This is your favorite, but all the Soviet "B-1 is not worth", even the Tu-160

                        Let's look for how the Tu-160 rolls the barrels. Well, or links to the fact that the B-1 is skewed and they are not operational. )
                      4. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 12 2016 04: 05
                        0
                        They wanted a bribe, tried to lose interest in him, because "why do we need a maneuverable interceptor? MiG-29 already exists"

                        Everyone begins to fall apart after a dozen landings. Not more than a dozen more have flown. The MiG-29 was due to technology and metal aging, the F-35C due to the design and landing overloads, and this can not be fixed.
                        KMP mechanics worked in hangars, problems of the F-35B cannot be fixed either.
                        Neither the ILC nor the Navy needs such an aircraft.

                        Let's google about it with B-1 and look for why the maximum speed is limited to 1,3M as well as application / bombing modes, at the same time finally answer:
                        Quote: Foofigjhter
                        This is your B-1 span video, what was it for?
                        Do all planes fly low when they take off and land (or crash like the B-52 below), or do you think the Tu-160 will have its wings fall off during a coup on its back, as was the case with the U-2 high-altitude aircraft?
                      5. clidon
                        clidon April 12 2016 18: 08
                        0
                        And who specifically wanted a bribe? And why then produced? Wanted a bribe for painting?

                        Everyone begins to fall apart after a dozen landings.

                        This, as I understand it, from your get-togethers with mechanics? Or from google?

                        KMP mechanics worked in hangars, problems of the F-35B cannot be fixed either.

                        That is all? Does the program close? By decision of the hangar mechanics.

                        Let's google about it with B-1 and look for why the maximum speed is limited to 1,3M as well as application / bombing modes, at the same time finally answer:

                        No, dear - you are here to sculpt a hunchback and prove it.
                      6. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 12 2016 19: 10
                        0
                        Probably those who did not put a signature ...
                        From the Pentagon’s website, it was written there about a dozen and a half.
                        Based on reports from mechanics. It’s not closing right now.
                        You are doing this, at the same time incompletely quoting ...
                      7. clidon
                        clidon April 12 2016 20: 46
                        0
                        So what did you want? Get a signature? Shelves rearm are on duty.
                        Well, let's link to the reports (!) Of the mechanics. )
                        So I understand that konretiki as always will not be? )
                      8. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 05: 27
                        0
                        Already asked about it ... Bribes, maybe something else. Like TsAGI, and others, I think you know better. laughing
                        Shelves then stand with the wrong interceptors but in smaller numbers
                        Let’s look for yourself too, this is not a problem.
                        And why about the F-35C (not even the mechanics noticed it there) and about the fact that the Su-27 interceptor was supposed to be not according to the inter-circuit scheme and not maneuverable, because it was an interceptor and not a fighter like the MiG-29, do not ask for links?
                        A link about the fact that the Su-27 was not taken into service for a long time, too?
                      9. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 15: 48
                        0
                        Do not Scraptor confirm your nonsense yourself. Previously, your copro-conspiracy thesis still amused me somehow, but now it bothers me faster. I would like to continue - look for your Spanish-google links yourself. )
                        PS The fact that the Su-27 was not taken into service I told you. Higher. And I also know the reasons. And they are technical. But I won’t pour the beads.
                      10. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 18: 04
                        0
                        Scraptor is the name of the F-22 in the United States. The systemic "scat" about Soviet equipment is in your part - there were no significant problems with the Su-27 so that it was not adopted for so long.
                        I know how you "know" - you will slip on this ... As it was with everything else - the "bad" Tu-160, the "magnificent" F-35B / C, the silly Falcon-9 landing on its tail in the presence of the earth's atmosphere and ocean nearby, parachuting tanks on Earth, allegedly the impossibility of using parachutes for "shells" even on Mars (just a larger parachute), some problems with T-50 launches that have long been resolved on anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft missile systems, etc.).
                        Continuations of what? You can only use "scat" for anything Soviet or Russian for snickers, and you can hardly wear anything. And your employers don't need others ...
                      11. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 19: 36
                        0
                        Scraptor is you. Forget your nicknames?
                        Well, since I have already indicated to you the conditions for continuing the conversation with me, wringing the legs will not help.
                      12. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 13 2016 20: 45
                        0
                        Scraptor is an airplane = scrap + raptor.
                        To you such a "competent" is there really anything to break apart from hysterics?
                      13. clidon
                        clidon April 13 2016 22: 22
                        0
                        Well, as I thought, there is nothing to tell you. Adieu.
                      14. Foofighter
                        Foofighter April 14 2016 06: 31
                        0
                        "Nothing" is the penultimate paragraph in the comment one after the top? Indicating your general technical illiteracy in addition to your rotten anti-Soviet orientation?
                        take the pie from the shelf onto the path ...

                        by the way, it is written on each.
                        I do not recommend using when driving vehicles lol
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  • bumbarash
    bumbarash April 9 2016 13: 22
    0
    When Serdyukov was otmazyvali, also some kind of governor I remember immediately was taken by the gills. Well, like the fight against corruption. It was necessary to muddy the water in another place in order to divert the attention of the layman from “his own”. This article is like - And they lynch blacks there!
  • Jack-b
    Jack-b April 9 2016 13: 40
    0
    It is strange to see this article on VO. The cut is of course present, but everything else ... Although .... people hawala ..... with pleasure ....
  • tezey
    tezey April 9 2016 14: 39
    +1
    The author, of course, got excited about calling the F-35 a paper airplane. And what does corruption have to do with cutting the US budget. These are their problems. But our problems are that sooner or later, Americans will bring this paper to mind and mass-produce for themselves and their allies. The question is that this paper should be contrasted with at least cardboard. And where is this cardboard. Paper flies poorly and poorly, and cardboard is designed at best. Su-35S and T-50 will probably cope with it, but how many will be with us. Therefore, the worst that can be for the defense of the country is hatred. The problem is serious and needs to be addressed immediately. I really hope that the spheres understand the threat and take measures.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 April 9 2016 18: 41
    +2
    I agree, another shapkozidatelskaya article. No matter how sad it is to admit it, America is a country with such a powerful and high-tech industry that, with all our merits, up to their level, we still have to slurp seven miles of jelly. Whoever saw the production of their F-22 and F-35 will not be able to deny the obvious. conveyor assembly, CONVEYOR! Karl! And the conveyor itself to the horizon. Like cars riveting. And our dryers in our fragile workshops are hand-assembled. Beautiful? yes, no doubt about it. But what a scanty output! So, guys, they can simply crush us with numbers. As for the quality, I'm not special, but I can only judge by facts. As far as I remember, Pokryshkin sat on the aerocobra and never dismounted until the end of the war. So there is no need to weave tales about "stupid Americans".
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff April 9 2016 20: 52
    0
    The “fifth generation” under-plane F-35 is inferior in most parameters to the Russian aircraft even the fourth-generation Su-35, not to mention the promising T-50.
    In the states, they are apparently sawing budgets so as not to be left without weapons at all. That's when they start to saw the country, then it will be normal.
  • Gippo
    Gippo April 9 2016 21: 42
    +1
    I will not say for the airplane, but for our rubbish. The approach is generally the same, so draw your own conclusions.
    The last argument that remains with the defenders of this bucket, supposedly saying “F-35 is capable of destroying opponents in advance, before approaching the maneuvering battlefield”, breaks about the performance characteristics of Russian air-to-air missiles. The Soviet / Russian P-37 Strela is capable of hitting targets over a distance of more than 300 km, the Americans have no comparable analogues today (the closest analogue of AIM-47 "Falcon" can shoot no more than 200 km). Moreover, the development of a new Russian KS-172 rocket, which will have an even greater radius of destruction, is now being completed.

    Here are pozhalsta, perspective, not yet adopted samples are compared (R-37)
    and pilot development of the late 70s (AIM-47). How do you believe it, grubbers? You’re braining people with poorly educated people already for three pages, catching up the idiots to pig hysteria. By chance? Of course yes. Now you can write everything about everything without a drop of any understanding what you are writing about.
    People, be smarter, kinder, and damn it !!! - EDUCATED. Otherwise, the journalist will continue to have a brain for you.
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf April 9 2016 22: 23
    -1
    You can argue as much as you like, but one subtlety can destroy any arguments against ... These aircraft, infantry fighting vehicles and other rubbish are being developed for ... BU-MA-GU. Paper. These are not even mirrors or beads. When the hour "H" comes, everything that has been developed will be developed ... for free.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 April 10 2016 06: 58
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    "Corruption in the US? It can't be!"

    Why be surprised? It has long been known. Here is the "huge" budget of the Pentagon .... Numerous bases that serve to look after vassals (jackals) and in a real war are doomed to extermination or surrender, and such "grandiose projects" that serve to "cut" money.
  • complete zero
    complete zero April 10 2016 11: 24
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    Quote: Volgobalt
    To really fight, you must be able to do it! In the entire history of pendosia, they fought the only time with a worthy adversary - Vietnam, so they barely took their feet. In the Second World War, as dirty jackals rushed to snatch a piece from Germany, they managed to rake there! Well, there were no more even approximately equal opponents.

    do not tell nonsense (that the Americans did not know how to fight) in any case, everything related to the Navy and the Air Force in the United States was at a fairly high level (in World War II)
  • bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 April 10 2016 12: 00
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    Russia on time slipped the Americans the idea of ​​implementing stelstechology with a defector.
  • neo1200
    neo1200 April 10 2016 13: 12
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    I read like the laudatory articles about the F-22 and F-35, both negative. Apparently f 35 cannot be brought to mind. And with the f-22, the Americans do not add up, since he did not take part in any combat operations. But the Americans are working on improving both of these aircraft. for those who write that we also have problems with the T-50 and cannot accept it for service for 7 years, I want to note that it takes 25-30 years to create something fundamentally new. Given the fact that in the 90s our country was in complete collapse and the pace of work on the 5th generation fighter went very slowly, then it is real for Russia to get its serial fifth generation fighter no earlier than 2020. But the Americans have their own f -22 and F-35, too, "on the knee" finish.