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Ukroboronprom, making excuses for cracks in Dozorov-B armor, blamed welders

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The manufacturers of the Ukrainian armored vehicle Dozor-B decided to justify themselves after the publication of materials that cracks were found on the body of Dozorov. Recall that materials about the appearance of cracks in the armor of two brainchildren of the Ukrainian defense industry appeared some time after the Defense Ministry announced its readiness to purchase 10 new armored vehicles that had passed state tests “already in March” of the current year.


The photo shows that the length of the crack on the Dozor-B armor is such that there is not enough 30-centimeter ruler to measure it:

Ukroboronprom, making excuses for cracks in Dozorov-B armor, blamed welders


On the Online Ukroboronprom appeared official comments. And in these comments are found attempts to justify the marriage in the production of armored vehicles. One of such attempts belongs to the chief engineer of the Lviv armored plant (it was at this plant that Dozory-B was made) Igor Churilov. According to him, there were problems with welds, since "the difficulty was the task of mastering the welding of bronestali."

It turns out that Lviv welders were not even familiar with this kind of technology, but they were already instructed to carry out work on welding armor plates for Dozorov-B.

Churilov:
Here thermal conditions are very important, the metal is cracked. These tests we passed firmly, and now the technology is mastered.


And representatives of the Ukroboronprom declare that the process of creating “Dozorov-B” took place in “record time”. This, apparently, must be considered the main reason for the fact that the “newest” Ukrainian armored vehicles are splitting at the seams, without passing the 200 km from the factory to the military unit.

From the statement of the head of the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau Yakov Mormilo:
Work is in full swing, because these armored cars are our independence.


The photo above illustrates this "independence."
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  1. Byshido_dis
    Byshido_dis April 7 2016 16: 24
    +19
    They will blame some welder Fedya, put him in prison, say that he is Putin’s agent and shoot ... Instead of directing director Petya for cutting / stolen budget / materials from the factory ... everything is as always ... This is dill! I’m really surprised why they didn’t switch to super-modern technologies in the form of glue of the moment and scotch tape in the production of combat tachanak)))
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall April 7 2016 16: 28
      +9
      All the high technologies you listed were generously offered them yesterday at VO
      1. Altona
        Altona April 7 2016 16: 37
        +14
        Quote: tiredwithall
        All the high technologies you listed were generously offered them yesterday at VO

        ----------------------
        Aha ... At least quote yourself with yesterday's comments. I thought that the "competent uncles" would lay all the blame on the welded ones. The sheets were bought, but they did not ask how to work with them. Do you need heating before welding or, on the contrary, a vacation after. Ordinary electrodes or some SSSI? What currents, polarity? It seems like Ukrainians are technically competent, but they did it like a rembrigade in garages, even worse. Guys at least at first try on the samples, while it cools down, they think behind the bubble as well. And then they will brew it using more or less correct technology. And then there is laughter and shame.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 7 2016 16: 49
          +6
          From the statement of the head of the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau Yakov Mormilo:

          Work is in full swing, because these armored cars are our independence.


          By God it is a pity, are they all zombies or is it an opportunist?
          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor April 7 2016 17: 25
            +17
            And what does welding have to do with it?
            The photo shows that the crack does not go along the weld.
            Either they have a defective armor panel (saved on steel at the factory), or it is not designed for such a load (saved on a designer who did not calculate the pressure). Well, either all at the same time.
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            2. Der schwarze
              Der schwarze April 7 2016 17: 53
              +9
              This is a defect in the design of the machine itself — its skeleton — low structural rigidity in general — even if the seam is of high quality, which I have no doubt — cracks will still appear due to increased loads on individual elements of the machine — they just are not reinforced as needed
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 7 2016 18: 26
              +7
              Quote: Darkmor
              And what does welding have to do with it?
              The photo shows that the crack does not go along the weld.

              And she will not go along the weld. As always, always there.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak April 7 2016 21: 00
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                As always, always there.

                And where is it nearby? Or does the tram stop play a plus or minus role? laughing
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach April 7 2016 23: 23
                  +2
                  And where is it nearby?


                  Well, look at the photo or something! Is there no seam at all? parallel to the crack going?
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak April 8 2016 10: 50
                    0
                    There is. Only here it is not very similar to the combination of parts. More likely to fill an early crack.
            4. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 7 2016 20: 58
              +1
              Quote: Darkmor
              And what does welding have to do with it?

              The switchman is guilty on the railway, but here someone should be there. In association with cracked armored personnel carriers, extreme welders were appointed. It's that simple.
            5. gergi
              gergi April 8 2016 00: 12
              +1
              The brain is defective. All these sophisticated technologies have long been developed, in the public domain, take and use. But no, kaklov have their own choice, they will not be sideways. They will be necessarily cancer.
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        3. your1970
          your1970 April 7 2016 17: 42
          +7
          do you understand what is happening? They the minimum skills have lost the production of such work, both workers and engineers ...
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 7 2016 21: 35
            +3
            Do you understand what is happening? They have lost minimal skills in the production of such work, both workers and engineers ...


            And what do you want? the plant stood for 25 years. Those specialists who worked in Soviet times are probably no longer there. + A welder, in general, is a profession now in short supply, by the way, in your country too. Whoever knows how to do something with work has never had and never will. I suspect that the salaries at the plant are not space at all. That at a construction site they pay more. Well, God knows how elementary these skills are. In Soviet times, whole institutes worked on the composition of armor and welding technologies.

            By the way, there is such a Physicomechanical Institute in Lviv. In principle, it was built on the basis of work done by someone in the 60s and 70s on mathematical modeling of welding seams for space and ballistic missiles. Well, the truth is that now there is also one sign left ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 7 2016 22: 32
              0
              This I mean that during the war, minors and women cooked tank armor, and it worked out well - and here the plant ala workshops "Selkhoztekhniki" blurt out like "armored vehicles" from some unknown metal on blocks and tables ...
              Well, that is, complete degradation of production ..
              1. alexmach
                alexmach April 7 2016 23: 29
                +1
                It’s me that minors and women cooked tank armor during the war, and it turned out well


                But it’s not a fact that it turned out so well. There was an article about the problems of the T-34 production
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 7 2016 23: 34
                  +1
                  I can not pass by request

                  Quote: alexmach
                  Quote: your1970
                  It’s me that minors and women cooked tank armor during the war, and it turned out well
                  But it’s not a fact that it turned out so well. There was an article about the problems of the T-34 production

                  So:

                  - went somewhere (where? link where?) an article about problems (some such? with the quality of the armor? or with the engine? or with ... what was the problem with ??) production of T-34 (those times ...)

                  What did they say - did they themselves understand?

                  And, yes, the problem is after one "m" all the same negative
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach April 8 2016 09: 43
                    +1
                    - went somewhere (where? link where?) an article about problems (some? with the quality of the armor? or with the engine? or with ... what was the problem ??)

                    Well, for God's sake. The source is of course quite strange. But there are some facts in the article about the same non-hardened beam between the upper and lower frontal parts.
                    http://voennoe-obozrenie.ru/main/11-tank-t-34-k.html

                    What am I doing? to the fact that there is no need for hatred. The fact that they cooked during the war without any problems. I do not believe in it without any problems. In the war they did as they could (by the way, they do this too). And that since the Great Patriotic Technology they have stepped forward, including in the production of alloys.

                    What did they say - did they themselves understand?

                    I understood perfectly, but I ask you to refrain from boorish attacks. For this minus. negative

                    And, yes, the problem is after one "m" all the same

                    Very valuable comment, thank you very much
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 8 2016 12: 57
                      0
                      I do not believe in it without any problems. In the war they did as they could (by the way, they do this too).
                      And besides, low-skilled personnel cooked naturally with problems, but not the same. I imagine that they would have boiled if they had a real war, if bombs had fallen on them like in Leningrad ..
                      This is a complete decline in the culture of production in general, and apparently not only in this particular case ....
                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null April 8 2016 13: 14
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      there are some facts in the article about the same non-hardened beam between the upper and lower frontal parts

                      So. In the article at the link:
                      - since it was not possible to harden the beam (welded between the upper and lower frontal armor plates), they decided (!!) to install a "raw" (unhardened, that is)

                      Question: What does this decision have to do with the case with the "Patrols"? Are there any cracks there, too, by some kind of "solution"? Or is it still an elementary marriage?

                      Quote: alexmach
                      In the war they did as they could (by the way, they do this too)

                      Well, you know .. "how could" - it is different for everyone.

                      Quote: alexmach
                      I understood perfectly

                      Perhaps you understand yourself. I still don’t understand, because I’m not trained to compare warm with soft.

                      Somehow yes
                    3. gergi
                      gergi April 9 2016 17: 25
                      0
                      Maybe everything is much simpler? No incentive? Svidomity in factories do not work, this is the fate of quilted jackets. The attitude towards the workers is swine, beggarly wages. Hence the production culture. Ordinary passive sabotage. In Ukraine, most people are quite normal. They see all this crap. What should they try then? Even thank you will not say Svidomo earlings.
              2. ver_
                ver_ April 8 2016 02: 50
                +1
                ... I have such a feeling that the great achievements of antiquity have nothing to do with the "great Ukram" ..
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 00: 28
              +3
              But the salaries of welded and we are not space. Thousands 20-25 receive (in the province), and then bread.
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        5. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych April 7 2016 22: 18
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          It seems Ukrainians are technically competent ..

          If you consider that there, in Ukraine, already since 1934 (!) A whole institute of electric welding named after E.O. Paton (IE named after E.O. Paton), the attempts to blame everything on the welders do not withstand any criticism. Yes, what to talk about request , ___ everything they could, horses ...
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 7 2016 16: 55
        +7
        What welders !!
        There is a weld and does not smell!
        As in that joke: "What does it stink? That daughter-in-law is all .... And where is she? That in-oh-he is poking around in the garden."
        1. Tamod
          Tamod April 7 2016 17: 28
          +1
          + The weld is visible to the right of the ruler, it cracked only to the left))
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS April 7 2016 16: 44
      +14
      Quote: Byshido_dis
      Blame some kind of welder Fedya,

      Here they are the "culprits"! laughing
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 7 2016 16: 57
        +12
        Here they are the "culprits"! laughing

        Looking at a sheaf of bright yellow sparks, I will say that the carbon in the steel is not less than 0,5% (type St 45), which is cooked on the left by a semi-automatic welder in a clean field, then cracks simply have to appear. But they had Paton ...
        Garage with poh.isty, not the military-industrial complex. negative
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 April 7 2016 17: 11
          +4
          This is not welding. A worker stripping something. A sheaf of sparks from a sweep circle.
          Semi-automatic .. without gas or flux in the wire gives a notable bunch of sparks on a simple auto-metal.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 7 2016 17: 45
            +7
            there’s a welded gantry on the left, and this is pushing something down the grinder ... Such a normal garage .., tables, hemp ... if they add 10 people to them, they can make tanks
      2. activator
        activator April 7 2016 17: 26
        +8
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Byshido_dis
        Blame some kind of welder Fedya,

        Here they are the "culprits"! laughing

        Yes, bullshit where do the welders get such cracks parallel to the weld when they cook cast iron. I think the quality of the steel is lower than the baseboard in general cast-iron patches.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 April 7 2016 17: 35
          +3
          Quote: activator
          Yes garbage at what welders such cracks parallel to the weld are obtained when cooking cast iron

          If cooked incorrectly. Before welding, cast iron must be heated with a blowtorch, and after welding, the temperature of the blank must be reduced more slowly than natural cooling. Cracks will not be checked.
          1. activator
            activator April 7 2016 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: activator
            Yes garbage at what welders such cracks parallel to the weld are obtained when cooking cast iron

            If cooked incorrectly. Before welding, cast iron must be heated with a blowtorch, and after welding, the temperature of the blank must be reduced more slowly than natural cooling. Cracks will not be checked.

            Actually, I don’t rummage in the properties of the armor, but these cracks in my opinion indicate the excess brittleness of the steel, that I think there is no buzz when something arrives into the armor, it just splits like cast iron pots. I don’t know about the heating of cast iron when welding all agricultural methods were repaired; all the same, cast iron burst, but I learned how gray cast iron turns to white and that no cutting tool except abrasive takes this infection. laughing
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 April 7 2016 18: 05
              +3
              Quote: activator
              I don’t know about heating up cast iron during welding. I worked as a workshop repairing agricultural machinery in the 90s. All methods were tried again. laughing


              Nate ..
    5. Prager
      Prager April 7 2016 16: 59
      +13
      the armor must be nailed! soldier
    6. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero April 7 2016 17: 55
      0
      Judging by the photograph, what side is the claim to the welded here? Either shitty sheets, or the process technology is not good. Uncle Fedya can calmly stand by, let others prepare a soft spot.
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 7 2016 18: 39
      +2
      Well, yes, welding armor is such a difficult process, no one has ever done this)))))))))
    8. Persistent
      Persistent April 7 2016 20: 34
      +5
      They will blame some kind of welder Fedya, put him in prison, say that he is an agent of Putin and will be shot ...

      The law of war is this: Do not know how to cook armor for your tanks - solder zinc for your soldiers !!!
    9. lav67
      lav67 April 7 2016 22: 19
      +1
      Come on, Putin personally cooked, and with defective) they are they they can
    10. ver_
      ver_ April 8 2016 02: 38
      +2
      ... still ahead, and now ... khe - there it is, but they work, they only dream of peace .. A negative result is the same result ..
  2. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall April 7 2016 16: 24
    +10
    What is there to rub? Yesterday they solved this problem - scotch tape, electrical tape, snot ...
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 7 2016 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: tiredwithall
      What is there to rub? Yesterday they solved this problem - scotch tape, electrical tape, snot ...


      With snot will not work. No snot anymore .. request Porosenok and Yaytsenyukh spent the entire strategic supply of Ukrainian snot, unsuccessfully asking for another loan with outstretched hand .. lol
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo April 7 2016 17: 33
      +1
      tiredwithall
      What is there to rub? Yesterday they solved this problem - scotch tape, electrical tape, snot ...

      ... they forgot about staplers! This is a more modern technology than nails!
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 7 2016 17: 59
        +4
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        forgot about staplers! This is a more modern technology than nails!

        Uh brother. Here is a whole technique:
        Shupup hammered with a hammer, holds stronger than a nail twisted with a screwdriver. Do you offer to push a nail with a stapler? laughing
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 7 2016 16: 25
    +5
    And do not forget to say that the welders studied in the USSR, and Russia is to blame.
    1. Altona
      Altona April 7 2016 16: 39
      +16
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      And do not forget to say that welders studied in the USSR,

      ---------------------
      Whoever studied in the USSR wouldn’t cook such abomination ...
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall April 7 2016 16: 47
        +4
        But Altona stopudovo right!
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    2. reservist
      reservist April 7 2016 16: 52
      +1
      so under the USSR there was also an OTK ...
      abolished as a legacy of the "Soviet occupation regime"?
  4. sigdoc
    sigdoc April 7 2016 16: 31
    +8
    The provocation of the Kremlin! What Ukrainians thought such fools and will not notice the Russian numbers on the line
    1. Altona
      Altona April 7 2016 16: 38
      +4
      Quote: sigdoc
      Ukrainians are such fools and will not notice Russian numbers on the line

      -------------------
      The numbers are only Arabic and Roman. I do not use any other numbers in everyday life, for example.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 7 2016 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        The numbers are only Arabic and Roman

        I'm clever here. laughing A digit is a representation of a number. For example, AA is also a number. It all depends on the line of presentation. In our understanding, this is "0123456789".
        Justness for hi
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 7 2016 18: 46
        +8
        Quote: Altona
        The numbers are only Arabic and Roman. I do not use any other numbers in everyday life, for example.

        So the Moskal swordsman burned! Nevertheless, they know that the numbers were invented by proto-scripts, and then they were stolen by the Arabs and the Romans! smile
        1. Altona
          Altona April 7 2016 20: 31
          +6
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So the Moskal swordsman burned! Nevertheless, they know that the numbers were invented by proto-scripts, and then they were stolen by the Arabs and the Romans!

          -----------------------------
          I don’t know about numbers, but maths and physics were promoted by Ukrainian garn Laplasenko, Newtonenko and pederast-Lusak. And before that, Pythagorenko and Archimedenko.))
          1. Altona
            Altona April 7 2016 21: 13
            +6
            Quote: Altona
            bugger-lusac

            ------------------------
            Site filtering has surpassed itself. How now to write this name, I can not imagine? laughing
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            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 00: 50
              +4
              Quote: Altona
              Quote: Altona
              bugger-lusac

              ------------------------
              Site filtering has surpassed itself. How now to write this name, I can not imagine? laughing

              Joseph Louis Gay Lussac laughing Use the English "e" to write. wassat
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 16: 56
      0
      [quote = sigdoc] Provocation of the Kremlin! What Ukrainians thought such fools and will not notice on the line Russian numbers [/ Quote]
      hahahahahaha !!!! this is a tourniquet !!!! EGE-no?
  5. Kibl
    Kibl April 7 2016 16: 35
    -2
    It is interesting that in the Ukrainian Criminal Code there is an article analogous to Article 58 of the Stalinist Criminal Code? If not, then you need to urgently introduce it. This is the time to start the planting season in the universal expanses of Ukropia !!!
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 8 2016 03: 07
      +2
      ... so they are and so mustache are in the madhouse, where else can I put? ..
  6. Taoist
    Taoist April 7 2016 16: 36
    +8
    Well, all normal welders have been working in the Russian Federation for a long time, there are only "svidomo" left and they do not know what to jump during welding with a technological map ...
  7. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN April 7 2016 16: 36
    +3
    And the Ukrainians turned out not "Dozor-B", but "Shame-B" ...
  8. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 7 2016 16: 37
    +5
    The welder is to blame for not being able to cover normally?
    1. Grabberxnumx
      Grabberxnumx April 7 2016 16: 45
      +6
      Not! The plasterer is to blame - did not putty!
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya April 7 2016 16: 54
        +4
        Switchman!!! wink
  9. 2s1122
    2s1122 April 7 2016 16: 38
    +2
    Quote: tiredwithall
    What is there to rub? Yesterday they solved this problem - scotch tape, electrical tape, snot ...

    Even in this case, you need to hire penguins of Madagascar, they will make it better laughing .
  10. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 7 2016 16: 39
    +3
    Yes, zrada zradnaya .. Now weeping a potential contract with the Indians hi
  11. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima April 7 2016 16: 39
    +30
    With such an armored car I refuse to speak!
  12. Mikado
    Mikado April 7 2016 16: 42
    0
    Interestingly, the head of the Kharkov Design Bureau is also a stoned Bandera member? "Independence" he lacks, damn it! Previously, people in this design bureau were in a more orderly and clever way - Koshkin, Morozov ..
    Or did he just blurted out, for a red word, so that they lagged behind?
  13. Tusv
    Tusv April 7 2016 16: 45
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    And do not forget to say that the welders studied in the USSR, and Russia is to blame.

    Well, this is obligatory and the crusts are appreciated, but I have no remorse that a qualified Ukrainian welder is more satisfying to work in Russia.
    Here it’s time for ukroreih to master the latest unique method of cold riveting with fifty jumps
  14. Revolver
    Revolver April 7 2016 16: 48
    +2
    It would be more correct to call these armored cars "Shame-B". Yes, but what does B mean in that case? what
    1. Yunik
      Yunik April 7 2016 17: 01
      +5
      Better according to Lavrov- "Shame-DB."
    2. Altona
      Altona April 7 2016 17: 16
      +4
      Quote: Nagan
      It would be more correct to call these armored cars "Shame-B". Yes, but what does B mean in that case?

      ------------------------
      That means a woman of facilitated behavior ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 7 2016 17: 27
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        That means a woman of facilitated behavior ...

        And you, my friend, are a sexist. belay In our era of gender equality, such an expression is politically incorrect. lol Males can also be, as you deign to say, "facilitated behavior", well, at least the same Lyashko.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 7 2016 17: 37
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          And you, my friend, are a sexist.

          --------------------
          Come on? You probably live in some sort of refined places. And I talk to ordinary American people, from the plows, which are called rednecks or hillbilly. They have half the answers with the simple word bullshit. For the rest, they say crazy shit or fucking who or what. Bitch is also quite a word and even appeal. In the morning I read in FB an appeal from one to another Morning, bitch. In general, my friend, not the jeans you wear. hi
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 7 2016 17: 52
            0
            Quote: Altona
            You probably live in some sort of refined places.

            Accounted for. Because in unrefined, such as the South Bronx (South Bronx, NY) or Trenton (Trenton, NJ), it is better for a white person to not even appear during the day, and even more so to live there, and the gun will not save, there are only 7 rounds in it.
            Quote: Altona
            In general, my friend, not the jeans you wear.
            I am at work now, according to the rules of Dress Code, jeans are not allowed.
            1. Altona
              Altona April 7 2016 17: 59
              +4
              Quote: Nagan
              I am at work now, according to the rules of Dress Code, jeans are not allowed.

              ------------------
              That’s the kind of shabbiness you have, it’s impossible, it’s impossible, the woman can’t give a compliment-sexism, a Negro can’t do it for her hands - discrimination. And you have democracy through jo ..., sorry, through electors, and not directly. And the money you have drawn is still the killers of the Indians.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver April 7 2016 19: 38
                +1
                But politically correct. And our prezik is the most politically correct, both in color and in conviction. And his grandmother is tearing his place, which may not be so politically correct in color, but with the help of a set of chromosomes XX it was a success, not like all the predecessors with XY, including Obama.

                Hillary for Prison 2016 !!!
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife April 8 2016 07: 54
                  0
                  It's time for the indian president! That would be fair. In the meantime, this is not there - you are all there just invaders.
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  15. Balagan
    Balagan April 7 2016 16: 48
    +2
    C'mon - what cracks - then anti-radiation ventilation! smile
  16. Mister22408
    Mister22408 April 7 2016 16: 53
    +2
    There is "Watch" and "Watch, bl-t". Those with cracks - "B". fellow
  17. Pirogov
    Pirogov April 7 2016 16: 54
    +1
    All that remains is to feel sorry for the welders. And you can immediately see what kind of "wise" heads are in ukroboronprom.
  18. dvina71
    dvina71 April 7 2016 16: 54
    +3
    Even in the picture next to the weld is not visible. Rather, the matter is in the incorrectly calculated power load of the body structure. Armor is hard to hit, but bends and vibration are harmful to it. Apparently (I would say exactly when I saw where exactly on the crack body) the load, which in theory should be carried by the power element, was on the armor plate.
  19. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 7 2016 16: 55
    +4
    Not there, you citizens are examining Ukrainian cracks, look around ..... not cracked armored cars in your heads. (C)
    1. Valeron45
      Valeron45 April 7 2016 17: 07
      +2
      But in fact, in the heads and around!
  20. Mwg
    Mwg April 7 2016 16: 57
    0
    As always with the "young" and "old" liberal "democracies": pathos and analogous reasoning - analog thinking, in short.
  21. Stabilization
    Stabilization April 7 2016 17: 10
    +1
    yes there is this cart .... there the country cracked "on little things" ...
  22. dmitrymb
    dmitrymb April 7 2016 17: 11
    0
    Well, if not welders, then mines and Putin are to blame. They are Westerners, they never admit their mistakes (technological in this case), as they say: "even with .. in the eyes."
  23. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 7 2016 17: 12
    +2
    something is a fake excuse ..... the crack is not on the weld, and where are the welders?

    So this is an old problem, remember the Ukrainian armored personnel carriers for Iraq in which they found cracks.
    It’s easier to pass the blame on the hard workers than to admit that mistakes were made in the design and selection of materials.

    Apparently, ordinary steel was used as armor, which can expand under the influence of temperatures (or vice versa). When rigidly fixed, the material may "warp"
    1. Altona
      Altona April 7 2016 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      something is a fake excuse ..... the crack is not on the weld, and where are the welders?

      ----------------------
      This steel somewhere has accumulated internal stresses. And she could gain from heating, then uneven cooling. Who triggered the heating and stress? That's right, metal cutter Tsybulenko and welder Kartopchuk, master Vykhokhulenko did not control. Punish everyone. laughing
      1. Nikolay82
        Nikolay82 April 7 2016 19: 54
        +1
        here I see some techies have gathered, in general, the problem is in the managers. During such work, it is mandatory to check the need for ultrasonic or X-ray flaw detectors. This is how it turns out, as in the entire post-Soviet space. The "switchman" is responsible for everything, and the managers smoke bamboo and receive money. In organizing work it is necessary to study the Soviet experience, or German, Japanese, Scandinavian.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 7 2016 20: 37
          +2
          Quote: Nikolay82
          here I watch some techies gathered, in general, the problem is in managers. With such work, a mandatory check is necessary for flaw detectors ultrasound or x-rays.

          ------------------------
          How you waved Evon, my friend. It is necessary to organize a "lamburatorium", to train NDT technicians, to purchase equipment. Before that, check the composition of the steel at the incoming inspection. Maybe it is generally not weldable, carbonaceous? In general, "unforeseen expenses", and then we decided with the supplier of steel, with the buyer of the machines we decided. And that's all, the money is in your pocket. )))
          1. Nikolay82
            Nikolay82 April 7 2016 21: 33
            +1
            nuda, how can you explain to the "th" bourgeoisie that the main thing in the project is ROLLBACK.
            Fuck the result, the main thing to master the loot. good technology however.
  24. Riv
    Riv April 7 2016 17: 13
    0
    I don’t see a weld in the photo. Most likely, it is still not a matter of welders, but a violation of the technology of heat treatment of steel sheet. Shot over, simply put. At the assembly stage, cracks were not noticed, but after running in, they crawled out.
    In general, this is not such a rare defect, only such steel should be rejected on time.
    1. Taoist
      Taoist April 7 2016 17: 54
      +1
      So there, as it turned out, they also bought an armor plate from the Poles ... (which already suggests)
  25. Papapg
    Papapg April 7 2016 17: 19
    +2
    One of these attempts belongs to the chief engineer of the Lviv armored plant (it was at this plant that Dozory-B was made) Igor Churilov. According to him, there were problems with welds, since "the difficulty was the task of mastering the welding of an armored steel"

    No weld can stand it, moreover, they were cooked in Lviv! Pride inside rushing, so rushing that no welding holds, it will pass over time.
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 April 7 2016 17: 26
    +1
    It seems dill on riveting should go. Unless, of course, does such technology tell them anything?
  27. Sanya Terek
    Sanya Terek April 7 2016 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: Byshido_dis
    ... surprised why they still have not switched to super-modern technologies in the form of glue of the moment and adhesive tape in the production of combat carts)))

    They didn’t switch because they won’t master such a complicated production for Ukroprom.
  28. dmitrymb
    dmitrymb April 7 2016 17: 27
    +2
    But in Ukraine, the institute was cool in welding (Patona, if I'm not mistaken) --- it's not welders who screwed up but "Svidomy" liberals are square
  29. Abbra
    Abbra April 7 2016 17: 33
    +1
    Typical, I would even say - a classic illustration to the famous proverb about the dancer and his eggs ... Yes, welders, when they cooked, they too pulled the armor over the seam !!!
  30. Aleks76
    Aleks76 April 7 2016 17: 33
    +3
    Crack went gone
  31. esaul1950
    esaul1950 April 7 2016 17: 37
    0
    FREEDOM crawled out through this crack.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 7 2016 18: 18
      +1
      Quote: esaul1950
      FREEDOM crawled out through this crack.

      hmm ...
  32. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 7 2016 17: 41
    +7
    Quote: Alex76
    Crack went gone

    goat anatomy? laughing
  33. sisa29
    sisa29 April 7 2016 17: 45
    +1
    And as the bastard said, "these armored cars are our INDEPENDENCE." From what? Polish armor and radio stations. American transmission or it is unknown from whom the requested diesels? Poroshenko would write speeches for him!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 7 2016 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: sisa29
      And as the bastard said, "these armored cars are our INDEPENDENCE."

      well, embroidered shirts under a jacket are also "their" independence. In general, the "independence" characters to fig. However, McDonald's was once considered a sign of independence. And, by the way, some still think. If you do not agree, listen to Echo of Moscow when Venediktov is broadcasting there. You will find. laughing
  34. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 7 2016 18: 05
    +2
    The welders screwed up, edrit your train! The Kiev Institute of Electric Welding, Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR, created by Evgeny Oskarovich as a whole, would have turned upside down !!! T-34s didn’t crack like that. Dodecommunized t-in-ari Bandera. You only know how to kill unarmed people and bring down monuments. Sv-in-bast!
  35. bk316
    bk316 April 7 2016 18: 10
    +3
    Paton wanted to write in a coffin turned upside down.
    And Boris Evgenievich turns out to be alive. After all, a man from almost the Great Patriotic War led all breakthrough welding developments. He was erected a monument in the USSR.

    How can 404 so degrade? It does not fit in my head .....
    1. reservist
      reservist April 7 2016 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      He was erected a monument in the USSR.

      probably still a bust
    2. reservist
      reservist April 7 2016 20: 31
      +1
      and a monument to his father - Eugene Oskarovich Paton
  36. Russia
    Russia April 7 2016 18: 17
    0
    these armored cars are our independence

    Yes, you are there, in / on the 404th, have long been independent ... from the mind!
    Remember the "advanced" technologies of the ancient ukrov - such as "pidvodny choven".
    There you will find both how to "brew steel" and how to "brew a crack".
    It is imperative to include in the instruction a requirement for the crew - not to shout: "Don't jump ..." laughing
  37. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 7 2016 18: 18
    0
    not a factory but an MTS model of the 30s !!! Punctures are now strewed -qualified personnel lustered comrades devoted to the Maidan, idiocy grows stronger !!! there is no desire to explain about welding technology and metal science, but when assembling on the floor and knees, the result is obvious.
  38. drags33
    drags33 April 7 2016 18: 28
    +3
    Welder ... Switchman ... Related professions! Meanwhile, all the technical "progress" in the creation of Ukrop armored vehicles rests (see the famous photo) on birch stumps (wood from Russia ...)! What is there to talk about?
  39. vobels
    vobels April 7 2016 18: 28
    +1
    ".. Here thermal conditions are very important, the metal cracked ..." It is clear that their cool welders with us or in the geyrop. The skill is developed over the years and experience, and not as a result of jumping on the maydaun.
  40. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 7 2016 18: 41
    0
    Not in the subject, apparently, a few. An hour ago I was crawling along the Moscow Ring Road, listening to the radio. MM Khodarenok told Satanovsky about System "A", "A135", "A350Zh", etc.
    Actually, I rarely experience the emotional quirk of "such a country-crushed !!!!", but, you know, it penetrates more and more often ...
    Interestingly, there are comparable statistics of the losses of two revolutions - the 17th and the 91st?
  41. vnedra
    vnedra April 7 2016 18: 57
    0
    Work is in full swing, because these armored cars are our independence. wassat dill country fabulous dol ...
  42. bannik
    bannik April 7 2016 18: 58
    +2
    I enlarged the picture a little and I had doubts that these were new armor plates. It looks like they cut off "pieces of iron" from wherever they can, without disdaining scrap metal.
    But someone on this considerable "money weld".
  43. hartlend
    hartlend April 7 2016 19: 16
    0
    Ukroboronprom is losing its grip; they could not guess that it was Putin’s hand. Trying to blame the welders. lol
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 7 2016 19: 37
      0
      Quote: hartlend
      Ukroboronprom is losing its grip

      Yes, that's not a fig. Mormilo said - why the hell do you want? From the drawings to ... hmm ... there was little time for the sample. But the work is in full swing. And decommunization is boiling. And the plan is in full swing. And the magazines are boiling.
      Some kind of strange, her mother, a parody of that country where was boiling... No, well, given that ... etc.
  44. Inkvizitor1974
    Inkvizitor1974 April 7 2016 20: 26
    0
    Yes, it's all Putin's fault !!!))
  45. Mic1969
    Mic1969 April 7 2016 21: 04
    0
    "The challenge was to master the welding of armored steel." And this is in the homeland of Academician Paton.
  46. Obstructia
    Obstructia April 7 2016 22: 39
    0
    You don’t understand anything. This is their ventilation)
  47. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 7 2016 22: 51
    +1
    Then it’s business. I’ll fill it with mounting foam and then paint it and give it out as a nova.
  48. Lefty
    Lefty April 8 2016 07: 44
    0
    A ze zrada or peremoga?
  49. a housewife
    a housewife April 8 2016 08: 02
    0
    Where does their president look? And in general - it is necessary to sheathe the technique with a cover. Take the material stronger - then there is a chance that it will not fall apart at least in trials.
  50. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 9 2016 11: 19
    0
    What are you talking about, always and everywhere at all times switchmen are to blame, it was, it is, it will be so for one simple reason, it’s washing your hand. This is the basis of corruption throughout the world. And if we want to live a normal life, then in business relations there should be no place for kinship or friendship, only business. But alas, this happens only during the civil war, when they do not spare either relatives or friends. Such is the dialectic.