Parties to the Karabakh conflict accuse each other of violating the declared truce

Armenian troops are firing intensively along the entire line of demarcation in Nagorno-Karabakh (NKR), Azerbaijani Defense Ministry spokesman Vagif Dargyahly said.

“We are committed to the ceasefire. But in case of shelling of settlements, the response of the Azerbaijani side will be tough. We warned. The Ministry of Defense once again declares that the Armenian side continues to violate the cease-fire in various directions of the contact line. And the forced retaliatory measures of our armed forces in order to prevent these provocations will be very tough, ”the newspaper quoted Dargahly Look.

The representative of the NKR military department Senor Asratyan refuted this statement, reporting in turn about the cease-fire violations by Azerbaijan.

“Azerbaijani Armed Forces once again violated the cease-fire. As a result of mortar shelling near 18.30 (MSK) by the Azerbaijani forces in the north in the direction of the Martakert region, a soldier of the Defense Army of Nagorno-Karabakh was killed, ”said Asratyan on Wednesday.

According to him, “despite the fact that the enemy almost constantly violates the cease-fire, the Karabakh units do not lose hold and do not respond to provocations by the Azerbaijani forces.”

On the same day, on Wednesday, Azerbaijan accused Armenia of “violating the cease-fire regime” outside of Karabakh - on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border in the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic.

Representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan answered this accusation.

“The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, apparently, confused Nagorno-Karabakh with Nakhichevan. Otherwise, it is simply impossible to explain their message. What kind of ceasefire are they talking about when it never existed on the border between Armenia and Nakhichevan? With whom did they agree on this regime, and what kind of cease-fire are they talking about when there were no fights? Maybe they were there fighting someone else? But certainly not with us, ”he said.

“There is no shooting in the direction of Nakhichevan. Everything is absolutely calm there, ”Hovhannisyan added.

Comments

[Michael67]

Here is another striking example. Wherever the omega launches its snout, ethnic strife and war begin everywhere.
"Armenian leader Serzh Sargsyan, during his speech in Washington at the nuclear forum, called Baku's position on the settlement of the Karabakh crisis" destructive ", and almost immediately the armed forces of Azerbaijan began to attack the Armenian army."

[vovanpain]

Parties to the Karabakh conflict accuse each other of violating the declared truce

You can record any conflict here, even in Karabakh, even in the Donbass, all these conflicts are written to the same extent as to ignite a fire on the borders of Russia, and the executioners are sitting across the ocean and they are rubbing their bloody hands.

[xasharat]

LET FRIENDS, post an article from the Azerbaijan Forum.
We are offended that you see enemies in us and friends in Armenians.
Again, you decide.

I quote.

The tale of how the Armenians plucked and burned, trampled and croaked on the flags of Russia just a year ago, and now some Russian Armenians, and all Armenians as a friendly people kiss all Russian heels.

And almost all Russian media see in the Armenians the archangels of the Gabriels, while blaming the Azerbaijanis for some reason. Dear Russians, what the TV will say from which the Kurginyans, Bagdasarovs and other Armenians with good pressure piss right in your ears - so you will believe.

Only one question. Have you ever seen a flag of the Russian Federation burned in Azerbaijan? Or tore it off? Or shouted anti-Russian slogans?

Some comrades from the Russian Federation seem to have damp brains out of the blue =) Or did the Russian population develop an inverse reflex to reality? =)

Does it not reach you that Armenia, which was torn in anti-Russian sentiments a year ago, simply cannot exist without Russian subsidies, while deeply hating you and your people deep inside? Does it not reach you that a strong and self-sufficient Azerbaijan, which never joined Western sanctions and did not let anti-Russian bases into its country, will soon leave the zone of interests of the Russian Federation, if the Russian Federation continues this attitude to much more important economic, geostrategic and military plan to Azerbaijan?

[vanavatny]

By God's permission, geography sent us to the allies of Armenia - what is there to do? I saw Armenian friends: I would take it to the museum by the nose.

[garnik64]

Yes, I don’t know how Lavrov (Kalantarov) Sergey Viktorovich would have reacted to this.

[vanavatny]

like a Soviet person born in 1950? or a Foreign Minister who speaks several languages, among whom is Armenian not listed? the surname you mentioned only belongs to his father, a Tbilisi Armenian, in connection with which Lavrov himself said that he had more likely Tbilisi roots. But all this is nonsense, because he is a brilliant Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation

[garnik64]

FROM the fact that Lavrov does not know his native language, I mean nothing. I also don’t know what. What does Tbilisi roots mean? This is a new nationality. At a meeting with students of Yerevan State University, he said: “My Armenian origin does not prevent me from being a foreign minister affairs of Russia.
“Does Chilingarov have Uryupa roots? Or Kharatyan. Their fathers did not bring them up either.
I was returning home by train, the woman and her granddaughter were looking at the album of Ivan Aivazovsky's paintings, and I foolishly noted his Armenian origin. “And I loved him so much,” the lady replied. What can you do, chauvinism cannot be eradicated.

[vanavatny]

it seems that you were an eyewitness to the events of 1990, your daughter’s position is not entirely clear, do you, as a Russian, really care about who was the biological father of one of the best government ministers? Obviously, you got acquainted with the biography? What did you mention at all? radical geneticist? liberal chauvinist? Stalinist Babylonian? Russia for narrow? Down with blacks from Africa? From whom does Sergey Viktorovich need to pick out chauvinism in relation to Lavrov? Whose contribution is so significant?

[genisis]

Doesn’t it reach you

Of course does not reach
We are all waiting for the wisest Azerbaijani to come and explain, so that it comes

[RUSS]

Quote: xasharat

The tale of how the Armenians tore and burned, trampled and croaked on the flags of Russia just a year ago,

We know and remember this, everywhere there are opponents of rapprochement with Russia, and because of a handful of marginals tearing the flag, one should not judge the country as a whole. The fact that Armenia will be "blown away" without Russia is a fact, but Russia also needs a Russian outpost in the Transcaucasus called "Armenia".

[xasharat]

RUSS; after reading the last sentence, I have no questions. Understand. thanks for the answer

[vovanpain]

Quote: xasharat

We are offended that you see enemies in us and friends in Armenians.
Again, you decide.

And you would be a colleague, would you solve your problems at the negotiating table or at a sports competition, now Russia has nothing more to do to pull you around the corners, they’ve arranged a very timely shooting in Karabakh. I’m here for no one in this conflict, but your showdown on Russia are reflected.

[vanavatny]

it depends on how to end. For example, Putin peacekeeper sounds good

[Alexey Lesogor]

Putin needs to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. So they will not give. He destroys the country and does not overthrow the government.

[Alexey Lesogor]

Putin needs to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. So they will not give. He destroys the country and does not overthrow the government.

[xasharat]

25 years of conversation and negotiations from Yeltsin to Putin is not enough to understand there is no alternative?

[Gray brother]

Quote: xasharat

The tale of how the Armenians plucked and burned, trampled and croaked on the flags of Russia just a year ago, and now some Russian Armenians, and all Armenians as a friendly people kiss all Russian heels.

Did the Armenian authorities do this? I will answer for you - no.
Russia supports Armenia as a state. Did these people represent the state? No.
And there’s nothing to rekindle here.
The recent supply of arms to Armenia speaks for itself and Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, but Azerbaijan is not.

Azerbaijan, which never joined Western sanctions and did not let anti-Russian bases into its country

Hammers in the gums with Erdogan, Russia's sworn "friend". Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are.

[vanavatny]

Sargsyan met with Merkel today, can we damn it?

[Gray brother]

Quote: vanavate

Sargsyan met with Merkel today, can we damn it?

Did Merkel say anything about the Russian trace in the conflict?
Do not distort.

[vanavatny]

she generally stands on a solid pro-Russian position, like perdogan

[Gray brother]

Quote: vanavate

she generally stands on a solid pro-Russian position, like perdogan

At least she doesn’t have a crowd of barmaleys who need to be put somewhere.

[xasharat]

Merkel threw him.

[garnik64]

Should I have permission to ask?

[deleter24]

The article is good, makes you think, put a plus. But, nevertheless, a lot of hatred for the Armenians. For me, that the Armenians, that the Azerbaijanis are equally friendly peoples. And those who plucked / scolded / trampled Russian flags are ordinary provocateurs hired by professionals. I do not exclude that in Azerbaijan there were such individuals. But this does not in the least diminish my respect for these peoples (I emphasize - for the peoples, but not for the policy pursued by the authorities).

[avt]

Quote: xasharat

We are offended that you see enemies in us and friends in Armenians.
Again, you decide.

"A-a-a-abid, you understand, I didn't even have time to say anything" Don't be afraid, we don't remember evil, we write it down, so there is a record on the tablets and the subcortex of the brain about how, at the beginning of your showdown, a crowd of Armenians killed our paratrooper. Like he "took their" weapons out of his military unit. Let's remember our officer, who in Nakhichevan went out with a grenade to the plane into which the families of officers were loaded to fly to Russia, to negotiate with the Azerbaijanis who blocked the flight. You had such a fashion there because of the lack of technical specialists to take the families of officers hostage. Well, what would be plowed on you, there were not enough mercenaries on both sides, and, again, there was no need to pay savings.

Quote: Winnie76

Big brother is needed. It will give everyone a crack, and then a candy ...

No-e-e! Nah, nah fit into the business of our guys with their guys! That's just diplomatically, as now the GDP with Lavrov is doing.

[Russiamoy]

in what you are right. although not so many (believe me, there is data) unconditionally support Armenia. I will express my vision. I live in a multinational region of the country: large diasporas of many Muslim nationalities, but there have never been problems only with the Azerbaijani diaspora (very peaceful people like Kazakhs). and vice versa, among the criminal world a large percentage of Armenians. and many remember the events of last year, although they were minimized and brightened up on TV. whoever needs to know the true picture. and for the sake of honesty, at the official level and in the media, they are not lobbying any negative for Azerbaijan, and they cover events as correctly as possible without justifying either side
ps peace be upon you.

[garnik64]

Why hang noodles for forum users, on the same YouTube you will see the attitude of Azerbaijanis to Russians several times more. And even those statements that were written on the fences and shouted Chechens to Russians, in Azerbaijan they did it even earlier. All nations are good in their own way, but there is a friend and an enemy. This is not determined by the tricks of individual groups of people. It is determined at the state level. As for your attitude to Russia. This is the full support of Turkey with a downed Su-24. Support for the Chechen separatists by their special forces, which crumbled by Russian airborne troops. When the Karabakh Armenians fought on the side of the Russian troops. I can write a lot about this. Armenians and Azerbaijanis are no better and no worse than other nations, as long as they have different friends and enemies.

[Bakht]

If not difficult
- What special forces crushed the Russian landing?
- Where is the full support of Turkey with the downed Su-24?

I agree that individuals do not determine state policy. So take the trouble to give references to OFFICIAL statements of Azerbaijan’s negative attitude towards Russia.

"Why hang noodles for forum users"?

[garnik64]

About the participation of Azerbaijani special forces (Boz Gourd) and the destruction of them by Russian paratroopers. I personally heard on the radio. To believe, I swear on my health. (Funny, but ...). If you don’t like the word full support, then let there be moral support. Azerbaijan, and Armenia, are not those states that would risk formally presenting claims to Russia.

[Bakht]

There was no official support. Not even moral support. Regrets and condolences were expressed. At the official level.

Azerbaijani special forces are not a bozgurd. Azerbaijani special forces are several battalions. During the first war, this was a purely nominal name. I knew well about the One-Eyed Owl.

[drilled]

Yah? Are Azerbaijanis our friends? Are they the ones who dream of NATO on wet sheets and consult with the Turks? You know, my wife's father fought in Karabakh. In the same division that remained there last. And he talked a lot. And like you, "friends", our Mi-26 was shot down then, which was taking out the children. And how the Azerbaijanis seized airfields with our ferry aircraft. So the Armenians are better than you, "friends".

[Bakht]

I'm tired of all these revelations. The only way out is to tell me when the MI-26, which was taking out the children, was shot down. At least just a date and place.

[drilled]

Relax when you are tired. In 92 and early 93 he returned from there. And he said that "recently." Naturally, I don't remember the place. He sang about Shushi. And also something like "And we are leaving with one weapon to the position in Armenavan".

[Bakht]

In general, another legend and a fairy tale. Clear. I did not expect anything else.

[Resident007]

Everyone is involved here ... But the Karabakh conflict would start sooner or later, it was a mortar bomb ... The conflicting parties have too much impatience over Nagorno-Karabakh ...

[siberalt]

Here is such an unpleasant situation. Azerbaijan recaptured a couple of villages with Armenians in the Mardakert region. For one more fighting continues with varying success. Now, until Azerbaijan withdraws its equipment and soldiers, the conflict will continue in these places. It is necessary either to take the equipment to the previous line of contact according to the 1994 agreement, or all the inhabitants of these villages (there are only Armenians) must be deported deep into the Kyrgyz Republic.

[Bakht]

Progress. We are already talking about the 1994 agreement. So we have been told for 25 years now that we will not give back what we have captured. What changed?

Armenians are already leaving Talysh village. How Azerbaijanis were deported from Karabakh at one time. All according to the laws of the genre.

[genisis]

No new agreements were concluded.
And in the old, we read "to convene the Ministers of Defense in order to agree on the boundaries of the separation of troops"
Bakhtiyar, Azerbaijan decided to unilaterally change the borders?

[Bakht]

According to the results of hostilities. You always said that the boundaries are based on the results of the 1994 war. Now other results. Or let's go back to the 1988 administrative borders of the NKAR.

There is a front line and there is an active conflict. At which lines we stopped at those and will remain. It's my opinion. Or we will return to the borders of the NKAR.

[xasharat]

What are the frontiers? There, on both sides of the borders, the internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan !!!!

[Bakht]

You are my harmful I agree with you. But the reality is that there are positions or lines on the front line. Here, and so much ink was spilled and copies were broken in network battles. It’s necessary to somehow agree.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: xasharat

What are the frontiers?

Lobster Those who could not save Dzerzhinka without receiving a clear order I remember our conversation And you?

[garnik64]

People left Talysh earlier during the fighting, after they destroyed the Turkish special forces, which broke through, some people began to return, and those who did not have time or didn’t want to flee lost their ears. These were three elderly people.

[Bakht]

Another "Turkish special forces". There are no Turkish military units on the territory of Azerbaijan. Stop telling stories.

[kamikaze]

these gosudartsva as two Jews who can not each other repay debts. both nations suffer. stupid people down these two states apologize of course. Sitting in the toilet Moysha and Izya. Moishe
- Izya, what do you think, what are we doing now - mental work or physical?
- Of course, mental! It would be physical, we would hire a person!

[vkl.47]

in all conflicts so. everyone blames each other. but in the east they say “look for the cause of your troubles in yourself”

[Winnie76]

Big brother is needed. It will give everyone a crack, and then a candy ...

[Hubun]

And that’s true, when the USSR was found, they found a common language

[Normal ok]

Quote: Hubun

And that’s true, when the USSR was found, they found a common language

It was during the USSR (in 1987) that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began.

[Hubun]

And if the USSR would not have started even earlier

[vanavatny]

in 1987 it was already not that colossus and at the head was already a stuffed labeled

[RUSS]

Quote: Normal ok

Quote: Hubun

And that’s true, when the USSR was found, they found a common language

It was during the USSR (in 1987) that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began.

The Karabakh conflict in Transcaucasia between Azerbaijanis and Armenians. The intercommunal conflict, which has long historical and cultural roots, gained new urgency during the years of perestroika (1987-1988) [2], against the backdrop of a sharp rise in national movements in Armenia and Azerbaijan. By November – December 1988, the majority of residents of both republics were involved in this conflict, as A.N. Yamskov noted, and he actually outgrew the local problem of Nagorno-Karabakh, turning into an “open interethnic confrontation”, which was temporarily stopped by the Spitak earthquake . The unpreparedness of the Soviet leadership for adequate political actions in the context of aggravated ethnic strife, the inconsistency of measures taken, the central authorities declaring equal guilt of Armenia and Azerbaijan in creating a crisis situation led to the emergence and strengthening of radical anti-communist opposition in both republics

[MARGO]

I feel sorry for Azerbaijan .. Again Armenia will humiliate you (literate fighting.))! Already bypassed from the flanks .. A good lesson will teach you! (I hope another ..))))

[xasharat]

MARGO
I wish you the same in double.

In memory of the polite Azerbaijani army.

[vovanpain]

Quote: xasharat

In memory of the polite Azerbaijani army.

Colleague, no need to frighten anyone here, let alone threaten anyone.

Quote: MARGO

I feel sorry for Azerbaijan .. Again Armenia will humiliate you (literate fighting.))! Already bypassed from the flanks .. A good lesson will teach you! (I hope another ..))))

Vitaliy, that the roof was finally torn down.

[Professor]

Quote: xasharat

In memory of the polite Azerbaijani army.

Taking courage with corpses does not need much courage, and honor is not necessary at all. Those who disgrace the Azerbaijani people in the photo commit a war crime, and you indulge them.

[Bakht]

I agree completely.

When Atatürk drove into the liberated Izmir after the defeat of the Greek army, a Greek flag was thrown under the wheels of his car. Ataturk stopped, got out of the car and said: “The banner is a symbol of the sovereignty of the nation, and it cannot be offended” lifted it from the ground

[garnik64]

Fiction to make oneself noble. Maybe he spoke, but in reality it was the opposite.

[Bakht]

I give evidence. In any case, they look better about shot down helicopters and Turkish special forces. So far, no one has denied this point. Well, except for the Armenians, of course.

[Weyland]

Quote: Bakht

“The banner is a symbol of the sovereignty of the nation, and it cannot be offended”

But what about! Cutting out a million Greeks - this can easily be done, but the banner of insulting them - down!
Remember, in the Muslim hell the hottest place is destined for the hypocrites?

[MARGO]

Quote: professor

Quote: xasharat

In memory of the polite Azerbaijani army.

Taking courage with corpses does not need much courage, and honor is not necessary at all. Those who disgrace the Azerbaijani people in the photo commit a war crime, and you indulge them.

Thank you Professor ... You definitely wrote everything and there is nothing to add ...

[Turkir]

Taking photos on the background of corpses is actually a pathology.

[Stavros]

So you look at his ava, a Hasharat, after all, a Bozgurt man, maybe we recall a photo with a downed pilot. The side of the gray wolves, on VO. Where the moderators look, the devil knows.

[Vadim237]

Does Israel still deliver weapons to Azerbaijan?

[Professor]

Quote: Vadim237

Does Israel still deliver weapons to Azerbaijan?

Delivers. And Russia supplies.

[garnik64]

Should I upload a photo too? Are you an adult or a kid?

[Stavros]

Lay out Garnik, let the Bozgurtian Hasharat look, maybe he will wake up a little.

[Artura0777]

http://youtu.be/59-OSPIfIm0

[Artura0777]

half of your pictures are your soldiers, and the fact that they died for your land so you don’t have land. Karabakh was and will be Armenian !!!!!!!!!

[Artura0777]

that’s how it will be with all Azeris who are armed with weapons on the Armenian land !!!!

[Bakht]

From which flank?

[siberalt]

It was in 1987 that the leadership of an NPO formally turned to Gorbachev for the provision of the area of ​​rights of an autonomous republic. Gorbachev promised to resolve the issue (but did not decide). Having learned about the separatist sentiments of the Karabakh Armenians, their massacre began, including in Sumgait and Baku. On January 19, 1990, troops with armored personnel carriers and tanks were deployed in Baku to suppress the uprising against Armenians and the leadership of the USSR. The uprising was brutally crushed. According to some prominent politicians, this was the starting point of the collapse of the USSR.

[Bakht]

Again, fabrications. Whatever a word is a lie.

[siberalt]

Based on Baku "fabrications", it was filmed for 4 hours of film. I managed to watch part of this film in January 1990. And in February of the same year, I accompanied a group from Moscow filming a documentary film in Shusha "War with Cemeteries" (working title). So don't "la-la".

[Bakht]

There is no point in discussing everything. Already discussed a hundred times

It was in 1987 that the leadership of an NPO formally turned to Gorbachev for the provision of the area of ​​rights of an autonomous republic. Gorbachev promised to resolve the issue (but did not decide).

Officially - how is it? Just unofficial. Gorbachev promised nothing to the Armenians. He promised to consider the issue and considered it. The Supreme Soviet of the USSR decided to leave NKAO as part of Azerbaijan. The Armenians spat on the decision of the USSR Armed Forces. This is the beginning of the collapse of the USSR. But it’s good that you write that in 1987. Already progress.

Having learned about the separatist sentiments of the Karabakh Armenians, their massacre began, including in Sumgait and Baku. On January 19, 1990, troops with armored personnel carriers and tanks were deployed in Baku to suppress the uprising against Armenians and the leadership of the USSR. The uprising was brutally crushed. According to some prominent politicians, this was the starting point of the collapse of the USSR.

What a "revolt in Baku against the Armenians." There were pogroms of Armenians in Baku, which ended on January 18, 1990. And on the 20th of January, troops were brought in. Prior to that, the SA had looked calmly at events for three days. The introduction of troops into Baku was carried out because the NF of Azerbaijan could really come to power and the demolition of engineering structures began on the border. The introduction of troops into Baku was carried out not to save the Armenians, but to save the USSR.
----
Whatever the word, you have a lie.
"So don't la-la"

[garnik64]

January 20 is a day of mourning for Azerbaijan, and the Russians blame it, but not when they don’t talk about the reason for sending troops to Baku. Azerbaijan’s NF headed by Elchibey was in power. After the demolition of engineering structures, the Azerbaijanis hoped for fraternization with the Turkic population of Iran, but the Persians did not allow. And these Turks freely move around Armenia.

[Bakht]

Another ignorance of the material. The Popular Front was not in power. The Communist Party of Azerbaijan, headed by A. Vezirov, was in power. There were pogroms in Baku from January 16 to January 18. By the evening of January 18, the pogroms stopped. Armenians were already protected by the police and local residents. One of these places in the city center was at the Shafag cinema.

The entry of troops on January 20 was due to the fact that Vezirov completely lost control of the situation. The Allied Leadership thought the least about Armenians. If they thought, then the Salyan barracks were under the control of the SA and they were silent. There has been no order all these days.

[garnik64]

Leader of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan, President of Azerbaijan (1992-1993). Elchibey became the first popularly and democratically elected president of the country.

[Turkir]

Oh, really in 1987, the conflict began? And I thought that in 1918, after the collapse of RI.

[RUSS]

Quote: Turkir

And I thought that in 1918, after the collapse of RI.

The Armenian-Azerbaijani war is a military conflict between the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic and the Republic of Armenia in 1918-1920, ethnic conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis. In fact, it included two Armenian-Azerbaijani wars that occurred during the short period of independence of both states in 1918 and 1920. Ottoman and British empires were present in the region: the forces first left the region after the Mudros Armistice, but British influence, in particular the so-called Densterfors forces, persisted until the 1920s. The civilian population of the Kazakh-Shamshadinsky district, Zangezur, Nakhichevan and Karabakh was also affected by the conflict. The war was marked by high casualties among the civilian population, the main reasons for which were partisan and semi-partisan actions during the national-state construction of the newly created states. After almost a century, the conflict is still far from resolved

[Masya masya]

It’s as usual ... Ahhhhh ... he first started !!!

[kit-kat]

This, of course, would be funny if animals and people did not die. And one could decide. But, as you know, blood is for blood.

[vanavatny]

and meanwhile the perdogan already has bloody paws shaking with anticipation of blood and the desire to push it all to Russia

[EvgNik]

Quote: vanavate

and meanwhile the perdogan already has bloody paws shaking with anticipation of blood and the desire to push it all to Russia

Already, already. This morning at 6.38 there was an article about it.

[Observer2014]

Quote: vkl.47

in all conflicts so. everyone blames each other. but in the east they say “look for the cause of your troubles in yourself”

I know how to calm them down. Let them swear by mom.

[kit-kat]

[\ Quote]
I know how to calm them down. Let them swear by mom. [/ Quote]

This is ridiculous)).

[Ayujak]

a little off topic joke ...

One diplomat at the summit said:
"If we unite Georgia (Gergia) and Armenia (Armenia),
you get Giorgio-Armenians "

[Gray brother]

The provocation failed, Aliyev could not drag Armenia into the conflict, and the Azerbaijani army had to fight only with the armed forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Bummer s.
But I really want to draw Armenia, and with great luck, Russia, into the war. From here, Nakhichevan is dragged.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Gray Brother

The provocation failed, Aliyev could not drag Armenia into the conflict, and the Azerbaijani army had to fight only with the armed forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Bummer s.
But I really want to draw Armenia, and with great luck, Russia, into the war. From here, Nakhichevan is dragged.

Why does Aliyev or Sargsyan need this? Something is not clear. There is some kind of deeper mixing. A large-scale war between these two states is not beneficial for them. Even with the help of Russia and Turkey, the rivals will have to fight the Armenians and Azerbaijanis themselves. The war will drive both the country will have a state of "somalia" and it will take decades to move away from blood. This is not even a step back. This is a step into the abyss. Look at the Syrian cities. There will also be here ... ruins and devastation.
Is it worth it to deprive your children of the future?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Barkhan

And why does Aliyev need this?

NATO wants it, for this it is necessary to solve territorial problems, otherwise they won’t take it.
And where NATO is there and America, and the Americans are sleeping and see that Russia is at war with someone-it is necessary to take a suitable media picture somewhere. And they always did not care about people.
They will push him to war, promise to restrain Russia and assure that all the mistakes of the past have been taken into account, and this time, how it will not work with Saakashvili :-)

[Bakht]

And why should Aliyev drag Armenia into the conflict? Can you explain on the fingers? Quite the contrary, I understand perfectly well that it is not worthwhile to drag Armenia into a conflict under any circumstances. And it is very, very disadvantageous to Armenia that it did not work to provoke a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Take a look. In the midst of the fighting, the border with Nakhichevan remained calm. It is explainable. But Armenia could not drag Russia into the conflict. Now, when the negotiation process has begun, clashes have begun directly between Azerbaijan and Armenia on the border with Nakhichevan. Until now, the fighting has been on Azerbaijani territory. The CSTO could not intervene. When Nakhichevan is involved in the conflict, the CSTO will have to intervene.

So the answer is one time. Who benefits from tensions in Nakhichevan?

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

. And it is very, very disadvantageous to Armenia that it did not work to provoke a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Well, yes, a medical fact. In this situation - a direct clash of quite self-recognized states, and even if we say like "Azerbaijan was the first to start", the CSTO turns on and Russia is drawn into itself on the side of the Armenians, or if it does not fit in, like it takes the side of the Azerbaijanis.

Quote: Bakht

When Nakhichevan is involved in the conflict, the CSTO will have to intervene.

Well, so right away - no, BUT the intervention procedure will be started.

Quote: Bakht

So the answer is one time. Who benefits from tensions in Nakhichevan?

Not Russia for sure. Turkey and .... Armenia are in the pros with a dream of Ararat and Trabzund, well, of Greater Armenia. But the Turks, or rather Erdogan specifically, will only receive, in the short term, an accelerated collapse of the country with the support of the Kurds in Russia, and then it will really be .

[Bakht]

Turkey is certainly in the black. But Lavrov has already voiced the position of Russia. Turkey has nothing to do with this situation. They expressed support for Azerbaijan. But the cause of the conflict and the current aggravation, Turkey is not.

We live in a rapidly changing world. Even 20 years ago there was no such rapid change. I have always stood on the position that this conflict must be resolved, because time is running out. S. Sargsyan will not make concessions. The Karabakh clan rules in Armenia. At one time, they ousted L. Ter-Petrosyan precisely for trying to resolve the conflict. If it weren’t for Kocharyan and Sargsyan’s coming to power, G. Aliyev and L. Ter-Petrosyan would have solved this conflict 17 years ago.

But this is all called "missed opportunities".

[avt]

Quote: Bakht

. I have always stood on the position that this conflict must be resolved, because time is running out. S. Sargsyan will not make concessions.

You have there AT ALL NOBODY WILL GO! There you really zugzwang and exit only a board on the head. In this conflict

Quote: Bakht

But this is all called "missed opportunities".

there is simply nothing to miss.

Quote: Bakht

. But Lavrov has already voiced the position of Russia. Turkey has nothing to do with this situation

I beg of you ! Lavrov is the head of the Foreign Ministry! And not just someone's speaker. He specifically gave "message". To whom? Well, I suppose the addressee, or maybe more than one, read it and draw conclusions. We can only speculate, but I think that one of the addressees is someone in Turkey.

[Bakht]

For some reason, in 1997, the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan came to an agreement and compromise. But the President of Armenia was removed from power. And now in power in Armenia is a Karabakh Armenian who has removed the legitimate president of Armenia from power. A year later, the Armenian Parliament was also shot. Just before signing the reconciliation documents. But in Azerbaijan, the president is the son of the Patriarch. And he agrees to the same compromise.

[garnik64]

They are already shelling Vardenis. This is Armenia, they are inspecting the CSTO in action.

[Bakht]

Do you believe in these tales? The shelling is from Armenia. Provocation to drag Russia into the war. Well who in a sober mind believe that Azerbaijan itself wants to drag the CSTO into a war against itself?

That is, from the 2nd to the 6th, they did not fire. But as it turned out that the CSTO does not want to interfere began to shoot? This is called provocation.

[alone]

Quote: garnik64

They are already shelling Vardenis. This is Armenia, they are inspecting the CSTO in action.

Who needs this disinfect? ​​Calm down, fear has too big eyes

[newcomer]

in general, even the ancients said: “if you want to know who is to blame, look for whom it is beneficial”. Armenia fully satisfies this status quo, it’s not in its best interest to start a bombing. Russia in general, all this _ extra hemorrhoids, in addition to other available ones. so the conclusion is that only one_erdogan as a drowned man clings to straws, trying to increase his significance. once again, Russia and personally the gdp showed who in the house the owner gave the “break” order. the rest smoke nervously, again.

[EvgNik]

Damn those that bow on the side. Everything seems to be clear - a truce was announced, so don’t shoot. It seems that this will not end as long as the states exist.

[RUSS]

In principle, this conflict was not started for such a quick end, unfortunately it seems that this is only the beginning ........

[EvgNik]

Going underground until tomorrow. Minusators from work came, or from school, which is most likely.

[miller]

If there is a big war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, will it not work out so that the Armenians will trade in our markets, and the Russian Vanya will fight !?

[siberalt]

Armenia is a small country by population. But during the Second World War, 107 ethnic Armenians were awarded the high rank of Hero of the Soviet Union from ordinary to general. This is about whether they will fight. And the second one. Armenians practically do not trade in the markets behind the shelves. They always have their own institution such as a pavilion, cafe or shop.

[Bakht]

Logic ..... Everyone is out .... The civilized "trade in the pavilion." Yes I remember. There were practically no Armenians in the bazaar in Baku. The Armenians in the pavilions worked as shoemakers. There were three shoe shops near my house. Armenians were in all three.

[vanavatny]

a Russian friend from Baku told the same thing, but also said that the Baku Armenians were completely different long ago it really was a Soviet officer told them then: pack up and leave, no one will be bringing in more troops

[Bakht]

Of course, others. Armenian Armenians :-) they were not considered full-fledged Armenians. And since they did not want to go to Armenia ... The majority did not know the Armenian language either. In general, Baku of the 70s and 80s was a completely Soviet city. The population of 1,2 million people. About 250 Armenians, 000 Russians, almost 300 Jews. How many Azerbaijanis are left? The numbers are approximate, but something like that was. In Baku, in addition to Russian speech, no one else was heard.

[vanavatny]

a friend still, however, through the fifth to tenth Azerbaijani understands and he also said: only I ask you not to consider anyone as an insult that the Baku People of all non-Baku people called the village pigs

[Bakht]

It was so. I have never used such words. But sometimes I heard.

[vanavatny]

understand, thanks for the conversation

[Weyland]

Quote: Bakht

There were three shoe shops near my house. In all three Armenians were sitting

Shoemaking - labor requiring qualifications and integrityand it’s a sin to complain about the quality of work of Armenian shoemakers!
Well, typically Muslim thinking ...
Christians (in the sense of the real ones, Protestants do not belong to those) and Buddhists are more respected workersMuslims - traders (which is not surprising if we recall the main profession of Muhammad).

[Svetovod]

The USA has made a bet again. The "partnership" game continues.

[Black]

Azerbaijanis pour on Armenians, Armenians on Azerbaijanis ... Together on Russia.
And the latter will grow stronger over the years. He who received life from "her hand" will bite off this hand. An example of this is Bulgaria, Poland and Ukraine.
.... Sorry for you, our Transcaucasian brothers. No FIG was to escape from the USSR. Would you sell your apricot, live in peace .... but what else is needed for happiness?

[V.ic]

My opinion is that BOTH parties are to blame for this conflict. If the conflicting parties had planted members in a timely manner, each from its side of the border and within the line of sight of the members of "Dashnaktsutyun" and "Musavat", then the conflict would not have happened. And the instigators of the conflict could, slowly dying, send mutual curses and accusations to their counterparts.

[Bakht]

Arrangements to resolve the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh are already ready, it remains to choose only the correct wording, Sergei Lavrov said.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160407/1404206004.html#ixzz458GYJZqD

Oh, how he walks around from the flank !!!!!

[Vadim237]

Well, not a day has passed, and the truce has already been violated.

[Bakht]

And it will be violated more than once. No other is given. If diplomats do not agree.

[Vadim237]

Today, the ceasefire was violated, and tomorrow the war will begin again.

[garnik64]

So the aggressor showed up.

[Red jack]

Yes, no, it will be like in Minsk one side will hound to shoot the other while Russia will send concerns and warnings

[Prager]

still smacks of a big war.

[Yuriy Nikolayevich]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: vanavate

she generally stands on a solid pro-Russian position, like perdogan

At least she doesn’t have a crowd of barmaleys who need to be put somewhere.

Already half of Europe has been inhabited by barmalies from the Middle East and Africa. We must put them somewhere.))

[Yeraz]

The situation in Azerbaijan is such. Thanks to the Russian media and in principle the support of many Russian Armenians, which is even evident, even some lovers and the most Russian speakers have become anti-Russian and amid the strong support of the Turkish media, support ranging from the stars of Turkish show business to in an old village in Azerbaijan, the pro-Turkish moods increased very and very strongly. How many attempts were made to at least play the role of neutrals, Aliyev did a lot for this, but 5 days brought everything to zero.

Right now there are strong rallies in support of the army throughout Azerbaijan and in all rallies Turkish Flags and many young people with the signs of BOZGURDA, who were unofficially called terrorists in the Russian Federation. Bravo is a very wise politician, earn hatred of the whole country in 5 days. Even people are far from loving Turkey changed their minds.

[Yeraz]

And nationalism in the army is growing.

Becomes BOZGURDOM becomes fashionable.

[Yeraz]

And in Iran, the capital of southern Azerbaijan, in the city of Tabriz there were rallies.

Slogans, Our Karabakh will be ours. It is already a stone in the city of Iran.

[Weyland]

Quote: Yeraz

Our Karabakh will be ours.

Insanity grew stronger ... This despite the fact that historical Only Nakhichevan belongs to Azerbaijan from the whole territory of the RA?

[Yeraz]

And the new slogan of Baku, Tabriz, Ankara is popular.

[Yeraz]

And what is most surprising: When the Shiite-type Iran took a neutral position, prayers took place in the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia in mosques for the liberation of the lands of Shiite Azerbaijan.

[Bakht]

There is no contradiction here. This is not a religious war. Azerbaijanis of the north are enemies for Armenians. South Azerbaijanis are friends. Although those and other Turks. But for some reason, Armenia does not make claims for genocide against the Turks from Iran. Only to the north. Although what side we are involved in, I still do not understand. They say that even a mosque in Yerevan was left for Iranian Azerbaijanis.

[garnik64]

What do you forcibly write the Iranian Turks into Azerbaijanis, but they know it? These are different Turks. During your stay in the Russian Empire, the Turks (Caucasian Tatars) mixed with Lezgins, Talysh, Tatami, Kurds, unfortunately with the Armenians and Russians. About genocide with your we are silent on the sides, although it was possible to raise this issue as opposed to the Khojaly tragedy, people who fell on the line of fire between opponents. There is a dock. film, Armenian version, look on YouTube looks believable.

[Bakht]

Take it easy. These are the same people. Azerbaijanis separated by the border in the 19th century. Believable - this does not mean truthfully. Such things must be known.

The reason is simple to the point of banality. Armenia has territorial claims against Azerbaijan and Turkey. Therefore, we must be recorded as enemies. Not yet to Iran. Therefore, Armenia calmly accepts Iranian Azerbaijanis. Everything is simple to disgust.

About genocide is not necessary. Who has cut whom for a long time is known. Azerbaijanis have nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide. And the Dashnaks carried out the massacre in Baku back in March 1918. But these are all ancient stories. I don’t pick my finger in wounds.

Again. Just caught on a word. Remember FOREVER - believable - this is not true.

[Yeraz]

Quote: garnik64

What do you forcibly record the Turks of Iran in Azerbaijanis, but they know this?

they know, like us, that the Azerbaijanis are Stalin’s invention, there is TURK and that’s all, and therefore they also came out for a rally in support of Karab.

[vglazunov]

https://youtu.be/_Y3k3-CVkOA

[Chisayna]

My favorite pastime is to shoot wolves. It is necessary to reduce the number of bozkurt. Still, the service at 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade-Rabid Dogs does not go in vain. Someone who also had a wolf on the flag, and now where is that wolf.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

It’s my favorite pastime to shoot wolves. It is necessary to reduce the number of bozkurt. Still, the service at 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade-Mad Dogs does not go in vain.

weapons in hand and go to Syria, there you can find them. Well, or in Karabakh to the Armenians)))

[Chisayna]

In Karabakh you are already being piled on. They’re not taking Syria. I have a violation of the terms of the contract in 2005. I will wait for these bozkurs to raise their heads here.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

In Karabakh you are already being piled on.

Are you Wang’s grandson?

Quote: Chisain

I'll wait for these bozkurs to raise their heads here.

nus it will not be soon.

[alone]

Quote: Chisain

I'll wait for these bozkurs to raise their heads here.

))) Have to wait at least 100 years)))

[Bakht]

Sergey Lavrov in an interview with TASS First Deputy General Director Mikhail Gusman.

“President Putin, and before him, President Medvedev actively promoted various ideas that would unlock the situation through the liberation of the areas around Karabakh while addressing the issue of the status of Karabakh. I will not go into details, but several options remain on the negotiating table. Yesterday we also touched on this at a meeting with the President of Azerbaijan. We will continue our efforts ”

And yesterday someone called the same words DIGITAL

[Bakht]

Here they write tales about "Turkish special forces". But there are reports with names that the Kurds from the PKK are already in Karabakh. Up to 400 people. Considering that it was the Kurds who slaughtered the Armenians during the genocide - a strange friendship. But this is at first glance. ASALA and PKK are two related organizations. And for them the issue of genocide has not been relevant for a long time.

[garnik64]

Kurds have enough to do without this. Volunteers arrived from Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Argentina, Brazil, the United States, France, Great Britain, and Russia. There are Armenians in the Kurdish formations and they are fighting in the Syrian army. I would like the Armenians to feel in Russia how in Muslim Lebanon.

[Bakht]

What am I reading !? Are the volunteers in Armenia over? Right during the first war. Fighting boys of Artsakh are destroying "Turkish special forces". But in reality, mercenary militants from Syria and Lebanon are fighting en masse in Karabakh. How do they get to Karabakh? Does the Armenian border service let them in with weapons or give them out at the border?

But everything fades in comparison with the last sentence. As I understand it, Armenians live better in Muslim Lebanon than in Orthodox Russia.

[Bakht]

Sergei Lavrov in an interview with TASS, answering the question, what is the position of the Russian Federation in terms of the development of the CIS.

“We see the reform not as some kind of sheet of paper on which it will be written:“ create a new organ, abolish the old organ. ” This is a much finer setting.

There are many structures in the post-Soviet space, this is true. The Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) has appeared, the CSTO is very effective and active. Many of our colleagues say: “Maybe you should not duplicate economic cooperation in the EurAsEC and the CIS? Why discuss security issues in the CIS when there is a CSTO? ” But the fact is that not all CIS countries are included in these advanced integration associations in the economic and security spheres - for example, Azerbaijan is not a member of the EAEU or the CSTO. Hope this situation can change"Said Lavrov.

[alone]

In short: You should not climb into this rebus and look for who started first, because both sides declare what is beneficial for themselves.
I will not count from whom how many died. Each claims to have killed more. There is no war without casualties. The 4-day war led the mediators to step up work to solve this problem.

[alone]

I’ll tell you one story about the positions taken purely from a military point of view. Especially about those positions that were recaptured in the south. These are very important heights. In 1994, a lot of people died there, but failed to take it. It’s enough to say that, from these heights one can easily control a significant part of the southern direction. Besides purely from a military point of view, the adjacent side will have to move the line of defense, some posts are in a difficult position due to the threat of the environment.

[Bakht]

No one will return anything to the line on April 1. This is a no brainer. We are talking about the administrative boundaries of the NKAR as of 1988. And we are talking about some areas of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region occupied by Azerbaijani troops. It seems that they should be returned to the NKR. But then the question will arise of Lachin and Kelbajar. So diplomats are now trading.

[Bakht]

I seem to have no moral right to publish one note. On the other hand, the author himself posted it in the public domain. So I thought, decided to give it here. Maybe someone will think about it.

The terrible war ... probably the worst in the twentieth century ...

The Germans, when they occupied Europe, were forced to leave garrisons in the occupied settlements.

They understood that only with the help of conformists from the local population would it be possible to do without a major depletion of the army fighting at the front. If in each village we left a company of machine gunners, then soon there would be no one left at the front.

From this came the policemen, the commandant’s office, Nachtigall, the Vlasov’s army, etc.

In Afghanistan, the Russian and Afghan government forces, standing together, were not uncommon.

In Vietnam, the Americans and South Vietnamese units worked together ...

The horror of Karabakh is that no one, no local population, is going to pull over the war to annihilation. Busy villages and cities are cleared of the population living there on a national basis.

Armenians do not have Azerbaijani policemen in Azerbaijani villages simply because Azerbaijanis are no longer there.

Even in Chechnya ... it would seem, what kind of fights ... tremendous courage ...

And they stop shooting, and crowds of local people walk along Grozny near the federals, women walk with their children, people rush to the bazaar. I have not seen this in Karabakh and cannot imagine what will happen someday. Either these two nations will become friends or will fight forever.

Why there is no such squabble, for example, with Georgia. Indeed, if we proceed from the analogy with the feuds of neighbors in a communal apartment, then the Georgians are the same neighbors as the Armenians.
Both of them are Christians, but there are no conflicts with them and certainly will not be. The struggle of ideologies?

So everyone had one ideology - after all, seventy years under the Union ... National hatred?

The strangest thing is that this hatred ceases as soon as the Armenians leave Armenia, and the Azerbaijanian leaves Azerbaijan, and, meeting somewhere in Moscow or in the same Georgia, they calmly work, eat and drink together, remember, sighing, about the old days . Then they return to their republics, and God forbid they meet each other in battle.

Some kind of general insanity. I don’t understand anything. It is easier to operate with the concepts of Homeland and Duty, but both of these terms take on an increasingly vague outline.