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Break not to build! In the face will not give

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A little bit about the war of the Poles with the monuments, historical irresponsibility and effective counteraction.

I’ll clarify right away what the talk room is, and once again sigh about the terrible injustice and blasphemy - this, of course, is also not bad, but I’ll finish with a very concrete and quite interesting, as it seems to me, proposal from a historical perspective.

Let me remind you that the essence of the issue is that in Poland they set out to “make up for lost time”, according to officials, in the demolition of monuments erected in due time in gratitude to the soldiers of the Red Army for their liberation from fascism. Of course, everything is not as neglected as it may seem, since we are not talking about monuments erected in the graves of fallen soldiers. But the gesture is quite understandable!

The thing is that now Poland stands firmly on the path of securing the status of the victim of the aggression of the “terrible” USSR, in every possible way as much as possible, putting on the very fact of the liberation of Poland from fascism to the level of perception of its equivalent occupation by the fascists. I don’t think that it’s worthwhile to be distracted by the fact that the Polish people themselves made their choices and enumerate the merits of the Polish divisions and individual soldiers in the Red Army, as well as mentioning trifles such as the “invader number two” to Poland of the territories at the expense of defeated Germany, tom here speech!

Poland in its current aspirations has serious obstacles in addition to the above-listed trifles, which you can try and just forget, and one of these obstacles is literally embarrassing because even the very closest to the Young Polish Party can hardly explain why it is so many in Poland of monuments dedicated to the “bloody invaders”, and even with expressions of fervent gratitude to them — the “invaders” —from the liberated Polish people, many of whom still continue to be looked after, and what are you looking at? flowers, sometimes, bring ...

Somewhere does not grow together - can be seen with the naked eye. And, apparently, the children are beginning to suspect something! ..

An acceptable solution is obvious. To demolish everything that can be torn down without going too far - from a legal point of view, since Poland and Russia have an agreement on the protection of military graves. And then, having familiarized with the reaction and giving it a bit like getting used to society, get up to the rest.

The most remarkable thing for the Polish authorities in this is that breaking is really not building. And not only because "the soul does not hurt." And also because what to do, create, create - these are responsible actions. In this they will recognize you, for this they will remember you and for this they will ask you! And to erase, destroy, destroy - these are irresponsible actions! Irresponsible in the sense that, as a rule, they do not entail social responsibility. This is human psychology. People do not have the habit of evaluating what is not. They look at what is. And if they like this “what is”, then what difference does it once have, especially if they simply don't know this “once”?

That demolish everything without hesitation!

In this light, the question of considerable relevance in Russia is: how can Poland respond to such an unfriendly step? Explicitly aimed at denigrating one of the most significant historical periods in the history of our country, which represents, no less, an identity holding together many peoples of Russia and the former USSR! As usual, in the G + social network, I spent interview. The results are simple and predictable.

Break not to build! In the face will not give


From my point of view, such results suggest that the people as a whole correctly understand the main thing - it is impossible to fight against the destruction of a part of memory, destroying another part of it! The survey itself simply could not cover the whole range of solutions, but judging by the comments in different communities, the greatest solidarity of the readers was caused by the proposals to transport the dismantled monuments to Russia or create copies of them here. And now I will try to announce my proposal.

And the proposal directly follows from the nature of the problem indicated and is once again reinforced by the above survey and the understanding that the Polish and Russian peoples, in spite of everything, are still too close to finally cut these relations, having broken each other. Moreover, it is the radical reaction of the Russian authorities, society, that will give the Poles a formal reason to develop the offensive on this front, already getting rid of the monuments at the graves of the soldiers and the graves themselves as the next stage. Because nothing to break! Need to build!

Specifically, to build a Russian-Polish Friendship Park around the Katyn Memorial Complex. And not just anywhere, but in this park to place all the memorials to Soviet soldiers, demolished in Poland, or their copies.

But this is me rudely. Now let you down more smoothly and present in detail.

If the memory is trying to destroy, destroying, then you can not answer the same. On the contrary, it must be restored, to compensate for the ruined. And to build something that will not let forget, and build so that it was impossible to ignore! Meanwhile, in Russia there is a memorable place, which by the will of history united the Poles and Russians. And even though the official history of this place for some reason seems to be the opposite, and indeed Katyn is perceived for some reason (dividing the nations), but this is completely unjustified.

Despite the fact that in fact there has not yet been a single point in the question of who shot Polish officers, and most importantly, how many were shot, they are literally in the same land with Soviet soldiers, the memorial of which is right there, what for some reason it is not at all customary to recall. And I personally believe that it is Katyn that should become a point of unity for the peoples of Poland and Russia!

On the territory around the Katyn memorial complex, I propose to build a "Friendship Park of Poland and Russia." The purpose of the park can be much wider than the site for the placement of destructible memorials. The territory would be worth developing to a museum-memorial complex of international importance. There you can also place a museum of Soviet Poland, necessarily - the Museum of the Great Patriotic War with exhibits focused on the role of the Poles in World War II. Technically, the parking in front of the memorial is quite possible to shift to the side. At the parking place, you can break the square of friendship with alleles for access to the memorials, as well as to the park, located a ring to the right and to the left of the public garden. Place replicas of monuments to soldiers-liberators dismantled in Poland in the park and in the park. The park can be broken by avoiding cutting down trees using existing landscape elements. Additionally, you can build a hotel complex near the park, in the park to arrange summer cafes. Organize a permanent route of public transport from the center of Smolensk to the museum complex. Also, near the museum complex, it might be worthwhile to arrange a year-round children's recreational and educational complex. That will not only increase the attractiveness of the project, but also bring immediate social benefits.

Yes, of course, the project is ambitious, even in a minimal version - what will be the cost of monuments alone! And by and large, we can say that he is even afraid of its scale. But we must not forget what tasks such a museum complex can perform! Not to mention the emergence of a serious excursion route in the Smolensk region, it will actually be an iron reserve for establishing long-term favorable relations with neighbors. After all, besides the function of preserving the historical memory of the USSR era and its rehabilitation in the eyes of the European public - and there is already a need for this, no matter how much we would like to think otherwise - this complex will in fact be a friendship park, within which it will be possible to implement many more subprojects of narrow focus. And what will cost only the museum of Soviet Poland, which will preserve for future generations a lot of positive examples, so diligently destroyed and thrown out from the pages of the history of the neighboring state.

Road going by walking! The fund, which accumulates funds allocated by the state, voluntary donations of citizens and organizations (and there will be many of them in Poland itself) and investors' funds, which can also be attracted, which is quite real - this is important, but the second side of the question, and the first is the will of the state! Therefore, the initiative has already been prepared for the ROI, tomorrow I will edit it based on the comments received - do not hesitate! - and as the moderation proceeds, let's proceed to collecting signatures. And there, in case of a positive decision ...

But, once again, I’ll pay attention, of course, such actions should be motivated not by petty vindictiveness: "Now the official delegations from Poland will be marching with wreaths in the shadow of monuments being demolished in Poland ..." No!

It is a historical perspective! After all, all these people that are now in power in Poland, they are not eternal. They will leave! And once people will surely take their place, who will not understand why Poland should be the antagonist of Russia and how it came to this. And then this remarkable memorial can not only serve to revive Russian-Polish relations, but also prove to be an invaluable source for reconstructing historical landmarks in this country, which is in many ways close to us, landmarks that are now trying to uproot barbarically , who once made a historical choice, for the sake of a handful of radicals and for the sake of the patron from overseas.
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  1. Byshido_dis
    Byshido_dis April 8 2016 12: 26
    +12
    But I wonder if they even understand what they are doing? We will draw conclusions, when the bearded Igilovites come to them or when they start the war against Russia, we will not, as in the years of the Second World War, save their cities from destruction.... Yes, and the little man will not protect them ..
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 8 2016 12: 40
      +27
      600.000 Soviet soldiers-liberators gave their ungrateful lives for this trash. Let them burn in hell to these Poles
    2. marl
      marl April 8 2016 12: 47
      +12
      Quote: Byshido_dis
      But I wonder if they even understand what they are doing?

      Of course they understand, they consciously do this, fanning Russophobia in society. By the way, not all ordinary Poles support this. The country's puppet authorities believe that they are protected by the West and the United States. They do not understand another thing, that if they smell fried, the Anglo-Saxons will immediately throw them, as has already happened more than once. They do not draw conclusions from their history, they do not teach materiel.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 8 2016 12: 47
      +24
      On the territory around the memorial complex "Katyn" I propose to build a "Park of Friendship between Poland and Russia". The purpose of the park can be much broader than a site for placing destroyed memorials.
      Well, yes, yes, here the Poles remember very much about friendship, the respected author reminded who opens the mouth to Russia most correctly, the Baltic States, Poland and Ukropostan. Yes, and all this small thing does not remember who saved their worthless little souls in World War II with their lives .
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL April 8 2016 13: 07
        +4
        Quote: vovanpain
        On the territory around the memorial complex "Katyn" I propose to build a "Park of Friendship between Poland and Russia". The purpose of the park can be much broader than a site for placing destroyed memorials.

        I generally do not understand point-blank and where does Katyn and the friendship park between Russia and Poland ??? It’s time to actually remind the truth about the Katyn case !!!
        1. Gaijin
          Gaijin April 8 2016 14: 02
          +2
          Or maybe it’s better not to open a park in Katyn, but to make a large monument to the Heroes_-Chekists. For those who worked in Katyn for Pshek
          1. 320423
            320423 April 8 2016 14: 17
            +1
            All together, plus if somewhere in Poland they destroy the cemeteries of our wars, then re-bury them here. And the complex should be designed in such a way that it is impossible to pass by our monuments to the Polish part
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 8 2016 14: 17
            +6
            Dealing with the Poles in modern Poland about the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, you must first deal with the BLUFF about the Shot of Polish officers allegedly by the NKVD in Katyn, since the Germans shot them.
            Enough with this MYTH to feed the Polish and Russian youth, to whom the agent of influence of Britain and the United States Michael Gorbachev had a hand, and heap this FALSE on!
            Victor Ilyukhin 100 times right that Russia, recognizing this lie thanks to the betrayal of M. Gorbachev, suffers tremendous political and economic damage in the international arena. It's time to end this and publicly disclose the real truth about the execution of Polish officers on Soviet soil!

            Myths of Copper

            Poles in Katyn were shot by Germans. Victor Ilyukhin

            Katyn. Guard sergeant V.I. Trunin

            Chubais and Gorbachev-agents of British intelligence MI-6
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana April 8 2016 14: 23
              +1
              Video "M. Gorbachev - British and US Agent of Influence (MI6 and CIA)"
              This video for some reason does not work. Therefore, watch this revealing video about M. Gorbachev at this link
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn mdWpN5lM0
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          3. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac April 8 2016 15: 32
            +3
            Quote: Gaygin
            Or maybe it’s better not to open a park in Katyn, but to make a large monument to the Heroes_-Chekists. For those who worked in Katyn for Pshek
            I don’t have any confidence that it was the KGB officers who worked in Katyn for the Pshkahs, and not the Gestapo men and 2 years later than the official date.
    4. Dembel77
      Dembel77 April 8 2016 12: 54
      +5
      It is a pity that this happens at a time when we ourselves still remember the lessons of the Great Patriotic War. We remember the price that our country paid for the victory over fascism. But ... the present battle for the minds of contemporaries from Europe, which our grandfathers and great-grandfathers also spared the horror of the Nazi concentration camps without sparing their lives, we unfortunately lost ... So, we lost Poland ... But if the dashing time comes and weighed down guiltyly look, the same Poles will ask Russia for help, we will release them again and again, beat them off, and get them out of trouble. We are Russians. We cannot do otherwise; this is our essence. Think about it yourself, but who else can you turn to for disinterested help in this world? (Well, perhaps to the United States).
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 8 2016 15: 35
        +2
        Quote: Dembel 77
        But if the time comes, and having looked down guilty, the same Poles will ask Russia for help, we will release them again and again, beat them off, and rescue them from trouble. We are Russians.

        we are russian. and forget what others have done is sinful. and give the opportunity to leave the quagmire on the Russian back, all the more.
      2. Walking
        Walking April 8 2016 21: 10
        +3
        Quote: Dembel 77
        It is a pity that this happens at a time when we ourselves still remember the lessons of the Great Patriotic War. We remember the price that our country paid for the victory over fascism. But ... the present battle for the minds of contemporaries from Europe, which our grandfathers and great-grandfathers also spared the horror of the Nazi concentration camps without sparing their lives, we unfortunately lost ... So, we lost Poland ... But if the dashing time comes and weighed down guiltyly look, the same Poles will ask Russia for help, we will release them again and again, beat them off, and get them out of trouble. We are Russians.


        And I would not want my children or grandchildren to die for ungrateful cattle from Europe.
    5. Vend
      Vend April 8 2016 13: 06
      +6
      Quote: Byshido_dis
      But I wonder if they even understand what they are doing? We will draw conclusions, when the bearded Igilovites come to them or when they start the war against Russia, we will not, as in the years of the Second World War, save their cities from destruction.... Yes, and the little man will not protect them ..

      We will be. Both monuments and cities to save. Because we are not them. Although in our history there have already been two wars with monuments. This is after 1917 and in 90's.
  2. kotvov
    kotvov April 8 2016 12: 29
    +3
    Of course, the thought is sensible — to erect monuments around the complex, but Polish monuments on the territory of Russia must be shrunk.
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 April 8 2016 12: 31
    +15
    There is a limit to all tolerance and understanding.
    With what fright should we "rehabilitate the historical era of the USSR" in the eyes of the European public ???
    Since the mid-80s, we hear the calls of Western and Russian liberals to repentance of Russians and Russia before everyone and everything. WHAT SHOULD WE REPENT AND REHABILITATE FOR?
    For saving Europe from fascist genocide? Because after the war, when they themselves were still starving, they drove food trains to the same Poland?
    If anyone should ask for forgiveness, then not us, but those who are now spitting on the graves of the soldiers who saved them.
    With regard to the creation of the "Park of Friendship between Russia and Poland" - this is complete nonsense. Maybe even create a memorial to the Polish invaders who rampaged in Moscow during the Time of Troubles?
    Let the Katyn Memorial be on its own, and the monuments to our soldiers on their own.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 8 2016 13: 03
      +5
      Quote: sever.56
      Because after the war, when they themselves were still starving, drove food trains to the same Poland?

      Valery, hi .

      I remember how in the 50s Poles played football with ours. I don’t remember where and why - it was more interesting for me to drive the ball in the yard than some Poles on the radio. Something ours did not play very well with the Poles. Father listened to the broadcast on the radio and swore later: "Why the hell are we feeding these peshek? They got rid of our blood - now they beat us in football ..." Father knew what to say about the Poles - half of Poland a sapper on his belly crawled ...
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 April 8 2016 13: 15
        +5
        Alex, hi! hi
        With the Poles, everything has long been clear - their hatred of Russia has centuries-old roots.
        And in my life I was lucky enough to meet with a wonderful front-line actor Alexei Smirnov. It was during the time of my urgent service. I served in Leningrad, and, once, we were brought to the district clinic on Sadovaya. There, in the smoking room, we met with him. He, a very kind and funny person, told us stories from his front-line life. One of them was about, in my opinion, in Krakow, they were throwing Poles out of a local brothel. He laughed for a very long time. And when we asked him which Poles were soldiers, he somehow scornfully wrinkled and waved his hand. Here is a story ...
    2. sever.56
      sever.56 April 8 2016 13: 05
      +5
      Friends, I beg your pardon, - in my comment I wrote the name "Russia" with a small letter, "caps lock" did not work. hi
  4. pts-m
    pts-m April 8 2016 12: 33
    +2
    Interestingly, what will Psheks do after the demolition of all the monuments of the socialist era? They will probably begin to erect monuments to their owners: heroes from the pendestane, and for sponsorship money they can add monuments to the bloody confectioner, merkelshe, ogland, etc. ....
    1. Amurets
      Amurets April 8 2016 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: PTS-m
      Interestingly, what will the Psheks do after the demolition of all the monuments of the socialist era? They will probably begin to erect monuments to their masters: heroes from the penostan.

      They will erect monuments to their enslavers.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2016 12: 33
    +6
    After all, all these people who are now in power in Poland are not eternal.

    Not eternal, but until they leave ... Those who really remember the merits of the USSR in the liberation of Poland will also leave for another world. And young people have long been brought up according to Polish history textbooks, written not in favor of Russia. That's the problem.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 8 2016 15: 43
      +2
      if these go away, new ones will come. psheki will not change. and they will be gunning about the "Soviet occupation".
  6. kit-kat
    kit-kat April 8 2016 12: 36
    +8
    The idea of ​​moving all the demolished monuments to one place on our territory is good and, I think, correct. But these maneuvers - "how not to offend", "how not to harm", I think, are superfluous. The answer should not be emotional, but harsh. No snot. Finally, bring order to the Katyn case and declare who actually killed the Russian and Polish soldiers. Moreover, recent studies are increasingly convincing us that the execution was carried out either by the Nazis or by their accomplices.
    1. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey April 8 2016 13: 21
      +6
      In Zmeinogorsk, Altai Territory, we already have a monument to Yermak, which was demolished in Kazakhstan. For his money, Zmeinogorsk new Russian did it. We have divorced so many billionaires and millionaires that if each of them redeems a demolished in Poland or somewhere else monument and moves it to Russia, it will do a good deed.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland April 9 2016 18: 12
        +1
        Quote: vjatsergey
        monument to Ermak, which was demolished in Kazakhstan


        It is significant that the Russian media practically did not write about this heinous action! Certainly, Nurik is supposedly an ally to them (although he will betray us as soon as possible)!
  7. Gennady Alexandrovich
    Gennady Alexandrovich April 8 2016 12: 36
    +15
    In Ukraine, the same topic.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 April 8 2016 12: 51
      +15
      It’s easier with these! smile
  8. Finntroll
    Finntroll April 8 2016 12: 37
    +13
    Finally stop repenting for Katyn and for all other sins attributed to us by the Liberasts and their masters from behind the hill. No, the memorial near Katyn should not be closed, even if it’s worth it, but it is worthwhile to carry out a historical rethinking of its significance at the OFFICIAL level. Like and so memorial to the Polish military killed by the Nazis in such and such a year and all. And do not care about the howl that all the haters of Russia will raise, let their howl and nagging howl once again confirm that we are doing everything right. But there is no need to destroy especially loud and insane people, not physically, but morally, and do it publicly poking faces in their own dirt and lies, like naughty kittens, so that more or less adequate people would look at them and see all their insignificant essence. And so you have to do with everyone! Including with their owners, it’s just to expose reinforced concrete facts to their lies, so that in response they could babble just something in the style of D. Psaki.
  9. vanavatny
    vanavatny April 8 2016 12: 40
    +1
    lay out a mosaic, in the form of the Polish flag, at the bottom of the toilet negative
  10. Same lech
    Same lech April 8 2016 12: 40
    +2
    On the territory around the memorial complex "Katyn" I propose to build a "Park of Friendship between Poland and Russia".


    The idea itself is original and interesting ... to leave unanswered the actions of absolutely Polish authorities is not permissible.
    From the point of view of psychiatry, a call to the conscience of a sadist will further provoke him to continue sadism ... so you must act on the contrary and in no case be like him.
    In addition to KATYNA, I propose to use for such events the place near Smolensk where the Polish elite, led by Kachinsky, crashed into TU-154.
  11. 31rus2
    31rus2 April 8 2016 12: 42
    +2
    Dear, what measures? The answer is simple and effective, cut off the gas, without any sorting and explanation, tell me, and the rest of Europe, I’ll answer there, let them influence Poland’s position, they don’t sit without gas, they don’t understand, the breakdown of dip relations is enough the Poles are whining bad, and we are so good at the same time without doing anything
  12. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 8 2016 12: 44
    +5
    To begin with, recall the ambassador, and with the continuation of the demolitions, break off diplomatic relations, well, in economic ones, you can also somehow put pressure, but in general, if, as they say by "garlic", then in connection with the placement in Poland (now and always, only with a small letter ) elements of pro and American bases and troops, to recognize Poland as a clear and direct threat to the security of the Russian Federation, with the introduction of this into the official military doctrine of the Russian Federation and in this regard, to officially announce the targeting of nuclear weapons at it. And it's time for the Guarantor to start talking about us we will do business with all countries.
  13. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima April 8 2016 12: 44
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    And young people have long been brought up according to Polish history textbooks, written not in favor of Russia. That's the problem.

    The same thing in Ukraine
  14. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 8 2016 12: 47
    +1
    historical perspective!

    Perhaps this is the main thing, and for the sake of this we must try to preserve what is now being destroyed in Poland.
  15. sharkmen
    sharkmen April 8 2016 12: 47
    +1
    In my opinion, the idea is healthy. In Russia there is such a lad - I. Strelkov with a fund. Maybe the author can try to start from there, you see, things will go or the legend of Donbass will prove itself on the other side in which you do not want to believe.
  16. abeluk
    abeluk April 8 2016 12: 52
    +4
    about who shot Polish officers in Katyn here in the VO there was an article that the European Court did not admit that the Poles shot the Red Army. that is, the Germans did it
  17. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 8 2016 12: 54
    +1
    On this topic :

    Here are two polar different poles speak out ....

  18. ML-334
    ML-334 April 8 2016 13: 04
    +1
    The idea is good, but the name is not good. Fighting the monuments is not only among the Poles, where to put these proud Balts and other undershots. I would take my grandson on an excursion and the guide would tell everything about the monument to whom, for what, when it was put down, when it was demolished and by whom (surname taking part in this) and let the granddaughter absorb this information and the time comes to present the bill.
  19. hartlend
    hartlend April 8 2016 13: 15
    +2
    The author’s suggestion reminded me of New Vasyuki.

    If you respond to evil with good, then how do you respond to good?
    Good must be answered with good, and evil with justice.

    Lao Tzu or Confucius, I do not remember already.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland April 9 2016 18: 15
      0
      Quote: hartlend
      Lao Tzu or Confucius, I do not remember already.


      Confucius
  20. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 8 2016 13: 16
    0
    Moreover, it is precisely the radical reaction from the side of the Russian authorities, society, will give the Poles a formal reason to develop an offensive on this front,

    What a flawed logic! That is NOT the Poles with their atrocities gave Russia a reason to answer, and Russia, if ANSWERED to EVIL, will give an occasion! belay
    Well, let the author of CAM substitutes his second cheeks.
    It is necessary to answer SYMMETRICALLY, only this will make them think. It was always: only tough and clear answer always admonished evil, and not dancing around him with a song: "And we are nobler, and we are nobler!" Or let the author lead at least ONE example of his innocence. NO them!
    Polish and Russian peoples, in spite of everything, are still too are closeto finally chop down these relationships, breaking up at each other.

    Not tired of singing about friendship? It was never and never will be in the foreseeable future - the Poles (like the Turks) are our eternal geopolitical rival and competitor! Based on this, we must build a relationship ....
  21. Mikado
    Mikado April 8 2016 13: 31
    +2
    With all agreement with the author’s thoughts and the same spiritual aspirations .. there is little skepticism.
    The history of Poland shows that the Poles tried to feel themselves Europeans all the time after the Catholicization. Not Slavs! Trying to correspond to the concept of "European" (for Poland, apparently, it is like for Ukraine now), they have always considered us subhuman. At least that was the official line. Hence the Polish arrogance. After half a thousand years of such self-awareness and propaganda by our main enemies of the last twenty or thirty years, this cannot be knocked out with just a gesture of goodwill, even if such a huge one. The most interesting thing is that Europe was constantly wiping its feet on the Poles, the last time in 1939. For Europe, the Poles themselves were "subhuman".

    If you offended someone, do not judge strictly. The article and the author plus for a good striving for peace.
  22. tacet
    tacet April 8 2016 13: 37
    +5
    I would like to know from a respected author - for example, will there be any mention of Tukhol or Strazhlkovo (1919-1921) in this park?
    1. AVAAR
      April 10 2016 20: 03
      0
      And not only! Now Katyn is the place where you can find out how the "insidious Stalin" shot a bunch of Poles! The memorial cannot be demolished. There, some write - ala-ulyu, drove ... we will demolish everything and we! Only they don't think with their heads!
      Russia and Poland have an agreement on the protection of graves. And now, with all their desire, they can not do anything with the cemeteries. And how many Polish cemeteries we have and ours, such "eagles" do not even think about. Does someone want to wave a sword? Leave your addresses, phone numbers, I will send personal invitations if you have to transport the bones of your grandfathers, since they are so brave!
      So ... it is necessary to make a museum complex out of such a one-sided memorial, where we will learn about the prehistory - namely "Tuchola and Strazhlikovo"! And about what actually happened with the shooting of the Poles, the grandmother said in two!
  23. SlavaSSL
    SlavaSSL April 8 2016 13: 44
    +1
    We must act the same way as they do with you. If they spit at you, you must spit so that your opponent chokes. And not make yourself great and noble all-forgiving, like "we are higher and nobler than these" "the dog barks the wind carries." They don't understand this.
  24. guzik007
    guzik007 April 8 2016 13: 58
    +1
    On the territory around the memorial complex "Katyn" I propose to build a "Park of Friendship between Poland and Russia
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    Well, kanesh! The answer will be spiteful: they also scoff !!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 8 2016 15: 36
      0
      Quote: guzik007
      On the territory around the memorial complex "Katyn" I propose to build a "Park of Friendship between Poland and Russia
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      Well, kanesh! The answer will be spiteful: they also scoff !!



      Anecdote:

      If someone has done evil to you, never answer him with evil! The man made you disgusting, and you, once, he gave him candy. Made another disgusting - you're still sweetie. I did it again - also candy. And so on, until this bastard does not die of diabetes. laughing
  25. trophy
    trophy April 8 2016 14: 31
    +2
    The idea is not bad. The central avenue of the park leading to the memorial is called the avenue of heroes, on the stela the names of all those who died during the liberation of Poland.
  26. Turkestan
    Turkestan April 8 2016 14: 49
    +1
    And why not do so. Somewhere in a neutral country at a television studio, OUR historians should be planted with historical documents such as KURGINYAN and Polish. To hold big television debates in front of the Polish people and peoples of the countries of the former USSR on our historical differences since the 16th century. I think the result would not be in favor of Poland
  27. Tanya
    Tanya April 8 2016 15: 20
    +3
    Pick up all the monuments to our fallen soldiers demolished in civilized Europe. To break up a park near Smolensk. Divide the park into two parts - "Grateful Russia" (dedicated to all those who fought against Nazism) and "The saved world does not remember" (to all who have lost their memory and conscience).
  28. rus-5819
    rus-5819 April 8 2016 16: 26
    0
    we are not talking about the monuments erected in the burial places of dead soldiers. But the gesture is understandable!
    If they don’t come to their senses, the continuation will follow. And if we have the same "Ivans who do not remember" the history forget, then everything will be "slowed down". Then, in general, the western backyards of the Russian Empire will imagine the unimaginable about themselves, although they cannot take a step without Russia.

    In this light, the question of considerable relevance in Russia is: how can Poland respond to such an unfriendly step?

    Understand and forgive .... wretched, do not remember their kinship ....
  29. antikilller55
    antikilller55 April 8 2016 17: 16
    +1
    So who in the end infected someone with this rotten disease of dill-Poles or vice versa, who would be an asset, and who would be a liability? What an abomination, and they both try to burn and rewrite history, only the poor can not understand how that the truth will always find a way out. Though renaming streets and cities, at least fight with monuments.
  30. akims
    akims April 8 2016 21: 50
    +1
    Poland, as well as Ukraine under direct state Department of State. Guess who actually demolishes the monuments to our soldiers?
  31. Suhov
    Suhov April 8 2016 23: 45
    +1
    In this light, the question of considerable relevance in Russia is: how to answer Poland taking such an unfriendly step?

    Why are refugees rushing to Europe, and more specifically to Germany?
    Why did Ukraine, following the countries of the former socialist camp, also ski there?
    It is known that for the vast majority - Homeland where @ oops warm.
    Everyone wants to eat hearty and sleep sweetly.
    To be treated well, our country must be attractive. hi
    What does this mean?
    This is a stable job, a decent salary, modern and affordable medicine, roads, etc.
    How can you treat us well if we have:
    oil rises in price - gas rises in price,
    oil is getting cheaper - gasoline is getting more expensive, it is necessary to increase domestic prices, to compensate for the shortfall caused by the fall in external prices. wassat
  32. PValery53
    PValery53 April 9 2016 02: 25
    +1
    We Russians are not vindictive. But we have a good memory. And there always comes a time when - "I will repay". And the Polish state will understand that in vain it behaved SO in relation to Russia, but it will be impossible to fix anything.
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 9 2016 14: 16
    +1
    They will, don't worry, it's just that the time has not come yet. Forgotten clowns - "Russians harness for a long time, but they drive fast", and about the troika, only in this case it is the Army, Aviation and Navy. Still how they will give.
  34. Weyland
    Weyland April 9 2016 18: 21
    +1
    Something I have never heard of attempts to demolish monuments to our soldiers in Germany. Therefore, as a winning country, we have the right to officially announce that we will not mind against the return of Germany to Silesia, Pomerania (with Danzig, essno) and that part of East Prussia, which is now part of Poland!
  35. gunya
    gunya April 10 2016 05: 45
    +1
    Quote: Gaygin
    Or maybe it’s better not to open a park in Katyn, but to make a large monument to the Heroes_-Chekists. For those who worked in Katyn for Pshek


    It has been repeatedly proved that Katyn is a Goebbels provocation. Read at least Ilyukhin, he thoroughly knows what he writes.
    Even compare the facts yourself: In what year are the Katyn events and "documentary photographs" attributed first to the German, and later to the Soviet, exhumation of burials and answer to words. questions:
    1. Could corpses last so long?
    2. Why various documents, personal items were found in burials
    executed?
    If not enough, bury several types of paper in the ground and look after a year and a half what will remain of it.