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This year, the PLA may adopt the "longest-range missile"

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Already this year, the Chinese army may adopt the intercontinental DF-41 rocket (Dongfeng-41), which tests are in the final stage, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




In the United States, Dongfeng 41 has been called the “most long-range missile in the world.” According to experts, "it can throw 10 thermonuclear blocks of individual guidance on 14500 kilometers."

At the same time, for the first time in the PLA practice, the ICBM will start not from a mine, but from a mobile installation. At the same time are testing the launch pad.



The deployment of missiles is planned in the east of the country, from where they can reach the US for 30 mines, if they fly over the North Pole.

Earlier, experts of the Kanwa Asian Defense magazine reported that "China plans to further increase the distance of the ICBM after debugging the national navigation system BeiDou."

At the same time, the magazine notes that according to the US Pacific Defense Concept, “any missile fired from China in the direction of North America will be shot down already at the starting leg of the flight.” Therefore, whatever the power of the rocket, the only question is “at what minute after launch it will be blocked by the American systems,” experts conclude.
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  1. Bath
    Bath April 6 2016 15: 53
    +3
    The main thing is that their goals are not found closer, for example, the European part
    1. Valeron45
      Valeron45 April 6 2016 16: 32
      -16%
      Everything is blocked there too. And the Iskanders are there and the air defense system is also there. So I think that we feel better than the USA.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ April 6 2016 16: 41
        -15%
        Quote: Valeron45
        Everything is blocked there too. And the Iskanders are there and the air defense system is also there. So I think that we feel better than the USA.

        For better than the United States, you definitely cannot feel like you don’t have systems like Aegis combat system SM-3. S-500 has not yet entered service.

        Due to the general vast border, any tactical weapon of China for Russia is strategic in nature, and vice versa. The territory of the United States is significantly removed. Today, China is not capable of breaking through missile defense and reaching states on the continent.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 6 2016 17: 02
          +11
          A Chinese missile with such a range is a threat to the United States, not to us. They have other missiles for us.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2016 18: 49
            -6
            For Russia, this is also a threat and worse than for the United States - flying time to our territory will be about 8-10 minutes - if they let them go first, our command will not have enough time even for a quick decision to launch missiles in return, and the missiles themselves for such the shortest period of time will not have time to take off.
            1. ssergn
              ssergn April 6 2016 19: 16
              +2
              We have an asymmetric answer - RC Perimeter.

              http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/30144

              Here, too.

              http://topwar.ru/29887-sistema-perimetr.html
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2016 20: 11
                -7
                So the problem is that Chinese warheads can cover all of our launchers of ICBMs and bases and airfields, even before our missiles take off and what is the use of the Perimeter after that.
                1. Gogia
                  Gogia April 7 2016 16: 30
                  0
                  How will you cover the mines, if they are located in kilometers from each other, plus false targets, plus mobile installations in the cloudy parts of the country, plus x555 plus x102 For China with an overpopulated southern part and villages with 250000 inhabitants, a retaliatory strike will be a complete crunch ...
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 8 2016 00: 58
                    0
                    Everything will be covered with warheads - the accuracy of the hit is improving every year and our strategic missile forces positions are known with an accuracy of one meter, and what are these cloudy parts of the country?
            2. Gogia
              Gogia April 7 2016 16: 25
              0
              In the 80s, the Perimeter system was put on duty ... Amerov's nightmare. Even if a warhead hits Putin, everything that can fly with a nuclear warhead wassat will be launched towards the enemy.
        2. Homo
          Homo April 6 2016 17: 51
          +4
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          For better than the United States, you definitely cannot feel like you don’t have systems like Aegis combat system SM-3

          And who told you that this is a panacea? Is this a 100% guarantee of protection?
        3. ssergn
          ssergn April 6 2016 19: 08
          +2
          Vladislav, here, I think, the question is in quantity. If there is a volley launch, well, the US missile defense will not cope, only an answer will help. Yes, and China, first of all, these products will be positioned as an otvetku.
          1. Gogia
            Gogia April 7 2016 16: 31
            +1
            That's right - a typical deterrent weapon. They showed - we have it. Did 20 pcs. They said they did 60 and let the Americans worry. Horseradish shove in this situation.
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 6 2016 21: 15
          +4
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          Today, China is not capable of breaking through missile defense and reaching states on the continent.

          You do not take into account the "support" actions of other types and branches of the PLA troops:
          - a preemptive strike on the carriers of the Ajis (for example, NPL);
          - destruction, damage, clogging of radar channels SPRN;
          - anticipatory high-altitude nuclear explosive (loss of communication and radar contact);
          - Finally, the mass launch of ICBMs with a simultaneous attack by the missile defense system.
          So, anything can be. But this is already from the field of combat use.
          Yours faithfully, hi
        5. datur
          datur April 6 2016 22: 24
          0
          For better than the United States, you definitely cannot feel like you don’t have systems like Aegis combat system SM-3. S-500 has not yet entered service .-- we have the S-400 and its modifications !!!, AND ALREADY the S-500- !! on the way! And here you have what !!!!! wink
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 April 6 2016 16: 45
        +6
        Quote: Valeron45
        And the Iskanders are there and the air defense system is also there.


        Um ... What does the Iskander have to do with it again ???

        And the air defense belt is only Moscow and the Moscow region ...

        So scratch turnips need not only the United States, but also to us ...

        PS However, the Chinese turned out to be worthy students of Soviet scientists ... Very worthy ...
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov April 6 2016 17: 11
          +2
          Quote: weksha50


          Um ... What does the Iskander have to do with it again ???

          And the air defense belt is only Moscow and the Moscow region ...

          So scratch turnips need not only the United States, but also to us ...

          PS However, the Chinese turned out to be worthy students of Soviet scientists ... Very worthy ...

          Yes, the Chinese comrades do not cease to amaze!
          1. yushch
            yushch April 6 2016 17: 36
            +5
            Quote: Pirogov
            Quote: weksha50


            Um ... What does the Iskander have to do with it again ???

            And the air defense belt is only Moscow and the Moscow region ...

            So scratch turnips need not only the United States, but also to us ...

            PS However, the Chinese turned out to be worthy students of Soviet scientists ... Very worthy ...

            Yes, the Chinese comrades do not cease to amaze!


            And yet I am tormented by "vague doubts" recourse, unrealistic range when casting ten blocks. Our missiles with a maximum load fly less than 10000 thousand kilometers, and the Chinese already one and a half times further. Correct if I am mistaken. hi
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 April 6 2016 17: 43
              +1
              Quote: yushch
              Our missiles with maximum load fly less than 10000 thousand kilometers,



              10-11000 km ...

              PS Most likely, the Chinese have some luck with witchcraft with rocket fuel ...
              1. UREC
                UREC April 6 2016 18: 34
                +3
                It is interesting where and when the Chinese conducted test launches at 14.5 thousand km. ???
                1. In100gram
                  In100gram April 6 2016 21: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: UREC
                  It is interesting where and when the Chinese conducted test launches at 14.5 thousand km. ???

                  I also doubt the TTX. 14,5 thousand km? with such a load? Maybe a bluff. I would like to hope ... Although if satellites are in orbit, anything is possible ...
                  1. spravochnik
                    spravochnik April 7 2016 16: 41
                    0
                    R-36 with 10 blocks (light) flew at 16 km.
            2. ver_
              ver_ April 6 2016 19: 05
              +1
              ... I don’t know how much Copenhagen I am, however our modernized liquid rockets do not require replacement and change - the drain-fill are currently available and are always ready to launch .. They are lighter and more efficient. goryuchki above .. What came to me - I laid out .. and the range of 11000 km., maybe the range is underestimated like a caliber .. (it was considered about 300 km) ..
            3. Pirogov
              Pirogov April 6 2016 20: 17
              +2
              Quote: yushch
              And yet I am tormented by "vague doubts" recourse, unrealistic range when throwing ten blocks. Our rockets with a maximum load fly less than 10000 thousand km, while the Chinese have as much as one and a half times farther. Correct if I'm wrong

              Yes, even if the Chinese lied, it’s still impressive.
            4. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa April 6 2016 23: 27
              +2
              Quote: yushch
              tormented by "vague doubts", unrealistic range when throwing ten blocks. Our missiles with a maximum load fly less than 10000 thousand km, while the Chinese have as much as one and a half times farther.

              Our ICBMs:
              - Poplar-M: m = 45-47t, D = 11000km, (4 RCG IN, N = 150-300kt);
              - Yars: m = 47,2t, D = 11000km, (4 RCG IN, N = 150-300kt);
              - Boundary: m = 40t, D = 6000km, (4 GB BB IN, N = 150-300kt);
              States:
              - Minuteman-3: m = 35,4t, D = 13000km, (3 RCG IN, N = 340kt);
              - Trident-2: m = 59t, D = 7800km, (8 RCG IN, N = 475kt);
              Chinese:
              - KN-14: m - unknown, D declared - 14500km, (10 RFID IN, N = thermonuclear, i.e. at least 0,5 Mt);
              Question: And that the Chinese were the leaders in ICBM technology? Better than us and the Ams? What, they "invented gunpowder" again, and they have such an energy-intensive RT that from an 8-axle PGRK it is possible to launch a combat load + KSP ABM (10x500kg + 1200kg, total = 6,2t) at D = 14000km?
              Information: Trident-2 - cast weight 2800kg.
              And then, the right colleagues ask the question: where are the test results? When, at least 1 block flew to 14 thousand km?
              However, bluffing is the place to be!
              Amy should be scared. (Apparently we too).
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus April 7 2016 01: 37
                0
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                And then, the right colleagues ask the question: where are the test results? When, at least 1 block flew to 14 thousand km?
                However, bluffing is the place to be!

                There is some confusion here. It’s not the Chinese who claim that their rocket hits 14,5 thousand kilometers; the Americans claim that the Chinese only smile cunningly and reprint American articles smile
                So if it’s a bluff, it’s only American.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 8 2016 00: 59
                0
                But they are already leaders in the long-range MLRS.
            5. Gogia
              Gogia April 7 2016 16: 33
              0
              At the same time, everyone knows the problems of the Chinese comrades with rocket and jet engines ...
  2. avvg
    avvg April 6 2016 15: 53
    0
    Probably, Japan has already plunged into mourning, and in this situation, Japan will seek support among the Americans.
    1. Bath
      Bath April 6 2016 15: 56
      +1
      with such a range is hardly a present for Japan
      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 6 2016 16: 05
        0
        Quote: Bath
        with such a range is hardly a present for Japan

        A directed explosion in the depths and Japan will be washed off into the Pacific Ocean)
        1. gergi
          gergi April 6 2016 16: 47
          +2
          And all the east coast of China will also be washed away. Does anyone need this? No one in their right mind would do this on their shores.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka April 6 2016 17: 16
            0
            Quote: gergi
            And all the east coast of China will also be washed away. Does anyone need this? No one in their right mind would do this on their shores.

            Well it is written directed. The main thing is to be able to implement.
        2. Gogia
          Gogia April 7 2016 16: 36
          0
          Aha 2 such missiles to the coast and underwater warhead demolition, there from a steam-water cloud with the right wind, everyone would die.
      2. zennon
        zennon April 6 2016 16: 13
        +5
        Quote: Bath
        with such a range is hardly a present for Japan

        Yes, this is bullshit! Fake is golem! Solid fuel with such a range is not real. The price is getting a lot of price. Well, as Khrushchev drove something out of the blue on Red Square that was never in service.
        Under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, huge anti-aircraft missiles were transported along Red Square, which Soviet television announcers, commenting on the passage of troops and equipment through the cheat sheet approved by the Central Committee of the CPSU, proudly called “distant unmanned interceptors”. That sounds! In fact, these were just mock-ups of missiles of the Dal anti-aircraft complex, which had never been brought to mind. The fake was a kind of hint to the Americans: they say, the Soviet Union became the owner of the next "miracle weapon".
        The same can be said about the GR-1 experimental global missiles, which, as conceived by their creators, were to launch an Earth satellite orbiting the Earth’s orbit, capable of "falling" from space directly, say, to the White House at the right time, so much so that its owners simply would not have time to deploy their missile defense. Before the production of the GR-1, the matter never came to pass, but a couple of these gigantic “cigars” were rolled for several years along the First See on November 7, keeping our “sworn friends” in good shape. A similar task in the Moscow parades was carried out by the experimental strategic missiles RT-15 and RT-20 on self-propelled caterpillar launchers.

        1. In100gram
          In100gram April 6 2016 21: 46
          +1
          Nice photo. Just how will it take off? How is ATGM? request
          PS: Sounds like a "stretcher" for a causal location. But impressive size repeat
        2. spravochnik
          spravochnik April 7 2016 16: 48
          0
          This is not the whole truth. There was a variant of the R-36 rocket - this is the R-36GR. A global missile was even put into service, then removed under a treaty on the non-deployment of nuclear weapons in space.
      3. Altona
        Altona April 6 2016 16: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bath
        with such a range is hardly a present for Japan

        -----------------
        This is "ballistics" in its purest form, for sure. Not maneuvering like ours.
  3. Hooks
    Hooks April 6 2016 15: 55
    +1
    The bases in Japan will need to be neutralized first.
    1. Blondy
      Blondy April 6 2016 16: 46
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      Amers have the best mixtures for solid fuel rockets and they don't have such super rockets. They are our solid fuel will not soon overtake. And then you have to make the warhead light. And they are also individual guidance! Although, if there are 10 kilotons there, I think this is another bike like with anti-ship ballistic, which can only get into heaps of sand in coordinates

      And of course they can bluff, but, I wouldn’t be so damn hard on Chinese missiles. I don’t know how they deal with gunpowder, but something lately they have too much bamboo textile divorced: all kinds of underpants, socks, pillowcases. Yes, and with the components of electronics, our Rusnano was not standing near. I don’t think that they will not be able to cope with guidance in the near future if their rabbits were already running along the moon.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2016 23: 37
      +1
      Quote: Hooks
      Bases in Japan for a start will need to be neutralized

      Right And at the same time Burke with the Aegis drown. Then KN-08 and KN-14 will go out.
      Further a warm meeting with GBI from the continent. yes
  4. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist April 6 2016 15: 59
    -3
    A terrible dream for america! A (d) Ntons, la !!!
  5. Muvka
    Muvka April 6 2016 15: 59
    +1
    10 blocks of 20 kilotons chtol?) Or is there no anti-missile defense? Type of false targets, electronic warfare, and the like.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 6 2016 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Muvka
      10 blocks of 20 kilotons chtol?) Or is there no anti-missile defense? Type of false targets, electronic warfare, and the like.



      Well, we, too, went through such a stage of the development of military rocket science ...

      So, whatever you say, their missiles, "dunki", are developing quite briskly ...

      Well, I repeat again: it is quite possible that some breakthrough was made in the field of solid fuel ... Science does not sleep, especially in China ...
      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 6 2016 19: 15
        0
        Quote: weksha50
        Quote: Muvka
        10 blocks of 20 kilotons chtol?) Or is there no anti-missile defense? Type of false targets, electronic warfare, and the like.



        Well, we, too, went through such a stage of the development of military rocket science ...

        So, whatever you say, their missiles, "dunki", are developing quite briskly ...

        Well, I repeat again: it is quite possible that some breakthrough was made in the field of solid fuel ... Science does not sleep, especially in China ...

        Like it or not, they can’t do better than ours. And because either the blocks are weak, or there are no means to overcome missile defense. Or maybe this and that ..
  6. demiurg
    demiurg April 6 2016 16: 18
    +5
    Is this R-23 UTTH honestly stolen in (on) Ukraine and copied in the Middle Kingdom? This is what they are going to carry it on the ground?
    In general, well done. The farther away, the more heads swell behind the puddle. Against us, they would not begin to develop a missile at 14.5 thousand kilometers. 5000 km per eye is enough. so let the heads of democracy leaders hurt. lol
  7. Saburo
    Saburo April 6 2016 16: 25
    +2
    The deployment of missiles is planned in the east of the country, from where they can reach the US for 30 mines, if they fly over the North Pole.


    So if something happens, the Chinese ICBMs will fly through Russia?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra April 6 2016 16: 27
      +6
      In this case, it will be necessary to demand serious customs duties ... bully
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2016 23: 42
      +1
      Quote: Saburo
      Chinese ICBMs will fly through Russia?

      No, through the North Pole! Russia will let them pass. We are for the "Silk Road", across the pole. lol
  8. Engineer
    Engineer April 6 2016 16: 27
    +4
    10 or 20 warheads - it doesn’t matter, the main thing is the weight thrown at this range. I strongly doubt that they can have an empty rocket at such a range, and with ten it will be much less. The maximum range is always indicated with a blank, and with a maximum load it is always much less. There are no miracles and the Chinese can’t make a jump here. Amers have the best mixtures for solid fuel rockets and they don't have such super rockets. They are our solid fuel will not soon overtake. And then you have to make the warhead light. And they are also individual guidance! Although, if there are 10 kilotonnes laughing I think this is another bike as with anti-ship ballistic, which can only get into heaps of sand by coordinates.
  9. iliya87
    iliya87 April 6 2016 16: 28
    +1
    At the same time, the magazine notes that according to the US Pacific Defense Concept, “any missile fired from China towards North America will be shot down at the launch site.” Therefore, no matter how powerful the rocket is, the only question is, "at what minute after launch it will be blocked by American systems," experts conclude.

    I wonder what the Americans want to shoot down Chinese missiles with.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 6 2016 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: iliya87
      At the same time, the magazine notes that according to the US Pacific Defense Concept, “any missile fired from China towards North America will be shot down at the launch site.” Therefore, no matter how powerful the rocket is, the only question is, "at what minute after launch it will be blocked by American systems," experts conclude.

      I wonder what the Americans want to shoot down Chinese missiles with.

      Democratic values!
  10. Achilles
    Achilles April 6 2016 16: 40
    0
    It’s not enough for me to believe that the Chinese invented such a thing (14500 km.), How interesting was it to test it, to such a distance? How far do I know can rockets be tested only on their territory, that China has a length of 14500 km? Or that I don’t know who will tell you.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 6 2016 17: 35
      +2
      Quote: Achilles
      It’s not enough for me to believe that the Chinese invented such a thing (14500 km.), How interesting was it to test it, to such a distance? How far do I know can rockets be tested only on their territory, that China has a length of 14500 km? Or that I don’t know who will tell you.

      Why the territory, if there is a water area. Announce, declare and ... I have not heard about the applications of China.
    2. ver_
      ver_ April 6 2016 19: 09
      0
      ...interpolation..
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 6 2016 23: 47
        +1
        Quote: ver_
        ...interpolation..

        Sorry, of course ... repeat
        But this is more of an "interpolation" ... on amov and K * tongue
        1. ver_
          ver_ April 7 2016 06: 28
          0
          ... Interpolation is the construction of a process graph for several points obtained as a result of research ..
    3. Muvka
      Muvka April 6 2016 19: 16
      0
      Again a soft sign !!! Well, you learn the banal rules of the Russian language.
  11. bad
    bad April 6 2016 16: 55
    0
    At the same time, the magazine notes that according to the US Pacific Defense Concept, “any missile fired from China towards North America will be shot down at the launch site.” Therefore, no matter how powerful the rocket is, the only question is “at what minute after launch will it be blocked by American systems”,
    .. you will not try, as you say? .. in words all the eagles laughing and if such missiles are cooked up 10500 and besides warheads there are a lot of false targets .. it’s hard for you to definitely ... angry
  12. demiurg
    demiurg April 6 2016 17: 04
    +7
    At the same time, the magazine notes that according to the US Pacific Defense Concept, a87 "any missile fired from China in the direction of North America will be shot down at the launch site." Therefore, no matter how powerful the rocket is, the only question is, "at what minute after launch it will be blocked by American systems," experts conclude.


    What a healthy optimism :)) I will kill everyone, I will stay alone :)) Interestingly, we will soon have Satan removed from service, maybe we can arrange demonstrative exercises by prior agreement, who will whom? Mass launch of 10-15 missiles, for undeclared targets in the United States.
    And let’s see who’s who, an ICBM of 70 years of development, or a missile defense system. Knock down a little optimism lol
    The live show will bring together record audiences ... Each training warhead flying to the ground will delight many in the world.
    1. avdkrd
      avdkrd April 6 2016 17: 13
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      What a healthy optimism :)) I will kill everyone, I will stay alone :))

      removed from the tongue.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2016 23: 56
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      can arrange demonstrative exercises by prior arrangement,

      We have already offered them this once. Moreover, the BB was supposed to be splashed in the area of ​​the bearing to Washington.
      Ama refused. They decided to disgrace us in the radar detection of ICBMs. But they managed it, only our Don saw the ball. Amas were content with a 5 ball.
      Maybe it's a bike.
      But I heard her from very respected people with epaulets like Yurich’s on the site.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 6 2016 17: 12
    0
    Why are they through the North Pole? And through the Pacific Ocean is not fate? And the declared range is too big. Well, the Chinese have always overestimated the performance characteristics of their weapons, even if they do not intend to sell them.
  14. demiurg
    demiurg April 6 2016 17: 19
    +2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Why are they through the North Pole? And through the Pacific Ocean is not fate? And the declared range is too big. Well, the Chinese have always overestimated the performance characteristics of their weapons, even if they do not intend to sell them.

    Theoretically, purely theoretically, missiles from Arly Burkov in the future (far away of course) will be able to get missiles at the initial stage at intersecting courses. But after it, flying through the north or south pole, even very theoretically nothing. Only rays from the Death Star. Anyway, the higher the range, the more possible trajectories.
    China remembers what happens to a weakened lion. They remember how to eradicate mass opium addiction. And they no longer want a repetition.
  15. Masters
    Masters April 6 2016 17: 41
    -1
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Quote: Valeron45
    Everything is blocked there too. And the Iskanders are there and the air defense system is also there. So I think that we feel better than the USA.

    For better than the United States, you definitely cannot feel like you don’t have systems like Aegis combat system SM-3. S-500 has not yet entered service.

    Due to the general vast border, any tactical weapon of China for Russia is strategic in nature, and vice versa. The territory of the United States is significantly removed. Today, China is not capable of breaking through missile defense and reaching states on the continent.

    We’ll feel better than America if we start selling RD-170 RD-180 engines, here pindos will sing
  16. Bizer
    Bizer April 6 2016 17: 50
    0
    This is all the work of the KB SOUTHERN Dnepropetrovsk. They made BZHRK and heavy missiles. Congratulations to the operational and technical documentation in the hands of your closest foes!
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 6 2016 19: 26
      +2
      ..those. all documentation seized during the collapse of the USSR by Russia ..
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik April 7 2016 16: 58
      0
      The Yuzhnoye design bureau has adapted the missile. The launching equipment itself was developed by a completely different design bureau, in Russia.
  17. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 6 2016 18: 05
    +3
    Here I read comments and I am surprised .. Many are so keen on hat-making .. okay, here North Korean missiles are not taken seriously .. But Chinese .. And China is not North Korea for you .. They can do a lot of high-tech things .. By the way, they are already deploying their Chinese GLONASS counterpart .. Well, about the fact that they sold rocket technology to them in Ukraine .. for some reason, many or almost everyone is so sure of this, but do you have evidence ..? Or is it worth it to throw your fantasies alone and everyone else immediately perceives it as truth that does not require proof .. In general, nonsense and not comments. even read disgusting ..!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2016 18: 52
      -2
      For Russia, these ICBMs will become a threat of the first degree - history does not teach anything - today friends, tomorrow enemies.
      1. ver_
        ver_ April 7 2016 06: 35
        0
        "... Hit your neighbor and gaze at the distant one - for the distant one will approach and hit you .." - from a sermon ..
    2. Muvka
      Muvka April 6 2016 19: 19
      0
      Quote: igorek4515
      Here I read comments and I am surprised .. Many are so keen on hat-making .. okay, here North Korean missiles are not taken seriously .. But Chinese .. And China is not North Korea for you .. They can do a lot of high-tech things .. By the way, they are already deploying their Chinese GLONASS counterpart .. Well, about the fact that they sold rocket technology to them in Ukraine .. for some reason, many or almost everyone is so sure of this, but do you have evidence ..? Or is it worth it to throw your fantasies alone and everyone else immediately perceives it as truth that does not require proof .. In general, nonsense and not comments. even read disgusting ..!

      I looked at their launch vehicles. They didn’t even get close to ours. But the production is adjacent ...
  18. demiurg
    demiurg April 6 2016 19: 55
    +3
    Quote: Vadim237
    For Russia, these ICBMs will become a threat of the first degree - history does not teach anything - today friends, tomorrow enemies.

    These missiles are not for Russia. The missile range of 14 thousand kilometers against us is excessive (meaningless). It is much easier and more efficient to build for the same money 3-4 medium-range (4-5 thousand km) missiles that will block the entire territory of Russia with a margin. But it’s just that the Chinese anti-missile system is not updating, which shows who they see as a promising enemy in Beijing. Maybe we are not bosom friends with them, but also not enemies for sure.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2016 20: 33
      -5
      Today these missiles are not for Russia, and tomorrow there will be for Russia, the Chinese have hundreds of medium-range ballistic missiles and who told you that they are not updating them, our SPRN gives the country's leadership time to resolve, reflection - only 5 minutes to launch the missiles, to launch US missiles - the flight time of which is 20 minutes, the launch time of our missiles lasts approximately 15 minutes, in the case of the launch of Chinese ICBMs, the arrival time will be only 8 minutes - that is, warheads will fall when the SPRN point contacts the General Staff - that’s what threat of the first degree.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 6 2016 21: 31
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        Quote: Vadim237
        Today these missiles are not for Russia, and tomorrow there will be for Russia, the Chinese have hundreds of medium-range ballistic missiles and who told you that they are not updating them, our SPRN gives the country's leadership time to decide, reflection - only 5 minutes to launch the missiles

        1) China has no reason to attack Russia.
        2) The PRC has a great superiority in the ground forces. Only a madman uses nuclear weapons if everything can be done without him. This is just what we need nuclear weapons against the PRC, and not China against us.
        3) China still has a small nuclear potential, the number of their warheads is physically not enough to cover at least only the Strategic Missile Forces and headquarters, not to mention the airfields of strategists and submarine missile carriers. The fact that they can bomb Moscow in any way will not protect them from retaliation.
        PS As rightly wrote to you demiurg missiles DF-41 are designed for the United States.
  19. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 6 2016 22: 03
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    "The PRC has not the slightest reason to attack Russia." Everything is still ahead - it may appear.
    2) "The PRC has a great superiority in the ground forces. Only a madman uses nuclear weapons if everything can be done without him. This is exactly what we need nuclear weapons against the PRC, and not China against us." You tell the Chinese that, otherwise they probably don't know that they, it turns out, don't need nuclear weapons.
    "The PRC still has a small nuclear potential, the number of their warheads is physically not enough to cover at least only the Strategic Missile Forces and headquarters, not to mention the airfields of strategists and missile submarines. The fact is that they can not bomb Moscow in any way protect them from retaliation. " - Excuse me, are you aware of how many ICBMs and IRBMs China actually has and how many nuclear warheads they have for 2016?
    "PS As the demiurg DF-41 missiles are quite rightly written to you, the DF-XNUMX missiles are intended for the USA" - No weapon has a final postscript to a specific enemy - weapons can be used against anyone, at the will of its owner, and there are no missiles intended for a specific country - rockets fly to the directions that are given to them.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2016 23: 54
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      If you put cons, then I’m saying everything right - because they can’t refute with words.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 7 2016 01: 31
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        Quote: Vadim237
        If you put cons, then I’m saying everything right - because they can’t refute with words.

        I didn’t put any minuses to you, I believe that this means that someone disagrees with your point of view. I put a plus.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 7 2016 01: 29
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      Quote: Vadim237
      You tell the Chinese, otherwise they probably don’t know that they, it turns out, do not need nuclear weapons.

      Strange logic, do you think that China has no contradictions with anyone? You are wrong.
      Among the opponents of the PRC are Japan, Taiwan, India, and most importantly the USA. And then, of course, they need nuclear weapons and against us. But this is a safety policy in case we use nuclear weapons.
      I wrote about something else - you don’t need to be the first to use nuclear weapons to someone who has tremendous superiority in conventional weapons. But 40 years ago there was a reverse situation, then the USSR already had superiority in conventional weapons and then China just threatened to use everything it has nuclear weapons in the first preventive strike.
      Now the situation has changed to the exact opposite.
      Quote: Vadim237
      Excuse me, are you aware of how many, in fact, China has ICBMs and infantry ballistic missiles and how many nuclear warheads they have for 2016?

      No, and no one really knows, except for the Chinese themselves. And they do not share this information. But without exception, experts (from Russian to American) argue that they are less than the United States and Russia.
      At the same time, even the American strategic potential (which, according to official statistics, is 5 times larger than the Chinese one) is not enough to guarantee the elimination of all our nuclear potential. Which, in fact, was the reason for the creation of the ABM. The USA wants to have guarantees that there will be no retaliatory strike.
      Quote: Vadim237
      None of the weapons has a final registration with a specific enemy - the weapon can be used against anyone it pleases,

      That's right cap smile
      However, until recently, the PRC didn’t even have missiles capable of guaranteed hitting the United States. For example, the DF-5 could confidently hit targets on the territory of Russia, but not the United States. Therefore, it is logical to assume that having received such missiles as DF-31, DF-41 are Chinese in It is the United States that will be considered the primary goals for them. But even if they use them against Russia, it still will not change anything - they are guaranteed to receive a retaliatory strike.
      P.S. If you are worried about the PRC, it would be more logical to fear a land invasion — there is nothing to repel it, and this required the Russian leadership to be the first to launch a nuclear strike.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 8 2016 01: 04
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        The Chinese have tight aviation, so a land invasion is suicide for them - they will bomb them all from the air.
  20. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 7 2016 00: 58
    +1
    We'll talk about what we wrote in the article. Maybe it makes sense to see the history of creation and performance characteristics of the DF-41 itself?
    China began work on DF-41 in 1984 year (204 project) to hit targets throughout the United States. This missile is supposed to replace the DF-5 liquid ICBMs.
    In 1991, the required solid fuel was created, in 1994, a "ballistic test" of the rocket was conducted. Then, the full-scale development of ICBMs began, which took at least 10 years.
    In 1999 year in honor of the 50 anniversary of the founding of the PRC, they planned to show the rocket at a military parade, but the CCP Central Military Commission rejected the show, as "Launcher car chassis was not ready yet."
    The same year was held computer simulation of "fire tests" with a simulation of a strike on targets in the United States that was deemed successful.
    According to the CIAThe rocket has three solid fuel stages, equipped with 6 to 10 individual warheads of individual guidance, the maximum range exceeds 10 thousand km. ICBM launcher created on the basis of a specially developed car chassis SX-4320.
    The length of the ICBM 15 m, the diameter 2 m, the launch weight 25t (?) (The length and mass of the missile are clearly underestimated - “VP”), the mass of the warhead 1200 kg (can be equipped with a monoblock warhead with a capacity of 300 kt or 6 warheads weighing 200 kg and power 30 ct).
    Start-up time for 3-5 minutes (standard - 6-7 minutes).
    Design Accuracy (CVO): 100-200 m.
    It is reported that nuclear warheads for the new ICBMs are a “transition product” until more advanced - compact, light and powerful - warheads are developed.
    The launch of a rocket can be made both from mine launchers, and from mobile to auto chassis. The creation of a railway launcher is not excluded.
    CHARACTERISTICS
    - firing range, (km) 12000 - 15000
    - firing accuracy (KVO), (m) 100-200
    - Military equipment: RGCH IN (Number x power of warheads, Kt):
    1- equipment: 1 x 1 Mt; 2 - equipment: 10 x 90 – 150 (20) ct.
    - The thrown weight (kg): 2500
    - Number of steps: 3
    - engine type: RDTT
    - Dimensions (m): Length - 21,0; L max housing (m) -2,25
    - Starting weight (kg): 80000
    - Launcher: mobile, wheeled.
    - Chassis PU: SX-4320
    - Start-up preparation time (min): 3-7

    Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/df-41/